veteran-class

[pastel yew]

swap speed, extra toughness on melee kills

[steep grail]

weapon swap and 5% toughness on kills

[bitter turtle]

are the three nodes

[stuck gorge]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

this is only for havoc btw

[narrow frost]

Plenty of people being carried through true survivor

[scenic ginkgo]

Keystoneless is interesting

[bitter turtle]

in auric i would not bother with survivalist and get more bonuses elsewhere lol

[tall torrent]

Recon lasgun

[rain badger]

Have you tried heavy sword? Now that’s fun.

[scenic ginkgo]

I'm honestly not a big fan of Recon Las in Havoc

[steep grail]

infernus

[scenic ginkgo]

Plasma just feels more efficient but

I'm probably just not seeing something

[bitter turtle]

i can afford to give a lot of ammo to zealot flamer with recon

which is nice as well

[scenic ginkgo]

Which variant of recon are you using?

[bitter turtle]

VIc

[scenic ginkgo]

Fastest firing I assume?

[tall torrent]

no

[bitter turtle]

no

i never use that shit

[scenic ginkgo]

That's the one I always see lmao

The infinite laser pointer

[bitter turtle]

yea

cause its the reddit build

[steep grail]

its so bad

[bitter turtle]

its not terrible

but its just a meme

they're all pretty close in performance

[scenic ginkgo]

Which is the variant you're using? I'm not familiar with the other mks

[bitter turtle]

the middle one

medium fire speed

[manic echo]

what do you guy like

[bitter turtle]

highest ammo efficiency

[manic echo]

max hp or max toughness on main stats

[scenic ginkgo]

Also curious on why? Is it just more a

[manic echo]

on curio

[scenic ginkgo]

Yeah I guessed that would be the case

[steep grail]

toughness

idk about havoc

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

found the thing i posted before

you can see

the zealot took more crates and almost as many big ammo bags as me

and i still wasnt even close to low on ammo lol

[scenic ginkgo]

Almost 1.5m damage is some crazy carry

[bitter turtle]

and i can just spray everywhere and idgaf

shoot hordes because ds4 is shit

vs moebian 21st

[scenic ginkgo]

Moebian 21st is why I leveled PS lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Should i take health or toughness curio or what's higher?

[scenic ginkgo]

Does really well into them

[umbral scaffold]

I got lucky with a 20% health curio

[scenic ginkgo]

For Havoc probably health

You're gonna be getting gold toughness out the ass anyway

[umbral scaffold]

I have a 19% health one aswellm should i be taking those? 40% extra health is spicy as fuck

[bitter turtle]

heres another example

[scenic ginkgo]

I wouldn't

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/498e737a449929238beaf718bdef1213.png

idr if this is 40 or not

i think it was just 35+

[tall torrent]

Just run axe

[bitter turtle]

but the other vet took way more ammo

and zealot too

and i was still ok lol

[scenic ginkgo]

Why are the kill numbers so low

[bitter turtle]

moebian 21st dont get counted as lesser enemies

[scenic ginkgo]

Ahh

[bitter turtle]

so that lesser enemy count is just scab/dreg bruisers lol

and shooters

[scenic ginkgo]

I forgot that they just count as nothing lmao

[bitter turtle]

but yea

[scenic ginkgo]

Probably a couple hundred each too

[bitter turtle]

i like recon a lot

very flexible in havoc

dont need anything except shocktrooper

doesnt need that much ammo

does the job against gunners, even if they're hardened

[scenic ginkgo]

You down to maybe stream a run with it? It'd be cool to see how it performs

[bitter turtle]

i dont have anything to record setup properly more than 7 seconds

[scenic ginkgo]

💀

[bitter turtle]

and that sjust cause of gyazo replay

[stuck gorge]

You can’t use steam recorder?

[bitter turtle]

idk what that even is

but im gonna guess

its a steam recording function

[stuck gorge]

Yea

It can record in the background

Deletes previous play session recording when you play again

[bitter turtle]

maybe ill take a look if it doesnt eat too much memory

i already get random fps hiccups ingame

[tall torrent]

u on AMD card?

[bitter turtle]

no

nvidia

[tall torrent]

Nvidia Geforce overlay

can record

[scenic ginkgo]

Wait it can?

That's good to know

[bitter turtle]

unrelated/somewhat related

but recently i feel like im getting more and more performance issues

[scenic ginkgo]

What's your setup?

[bitter turtle]

3070

[scenic ginkgo]

You at 99%/100% utilisation?

[bitter turtle]

nearly yea

i have to shut

everything else off when i wanna DT

[scenic ginkgo]

I'm on 4070 and I noticed performance issues above 95%

[torn depot]

I hate how they nerfed stormtrooper

[scenic ginkgo]

Maybe drop 1 or 2 settings and see if it evens out

[torn depot]

Im running out of ammo on the recon lasgun

[scenic ginkgo]

What did they hit?

[torn depot]

I never got the chance to experience the recon lasgun build

[bitter turtle]

recon lasgun is literally the most meta its ever been

[scenic ginkgo]

Plasma Gun still better imho

But also different jobs

[bitter turtle]

maybe, but the fact that you can even compare them rn is as good as its ever gotten for the gun

[scenic ginkgo]

True

Maybe I'll give it another shot

[pastel yew]

there was another point they were giga no?

then got hit with the nerf bat

[bitter turtle]

they werent actually a top gun in that patch either

the hidden op was Vraks 3

[pastel yew]

and then fatshark nerfed them

[bitter turtle]

that got nerfed to little fanfare

[pastel yew]

I wish I could say what a supprise

[bitter turtle]

because a lot of people didnt know

[pastel yew]

I do wonder why some weapons havent been nerfed

itsw been a hot minute

is it genuine hell divers situation fear

[scenic ginkgo]

Likely

[bitter turtle]

idk but people did rage when psword got nerfed

[scenic ginkgo]

Look at Space Marine 2

[bitter turtle]

maybe they think its just whatever

if its op, sure, its op

[scenic ginkgo]

They're terrified to nerf the Grenade Launcher

[bitter turtle]

not like its competijtive anyway

[scenic ginkgo]

Even though it is clearly grossly overtuned

Lmao

[pastel yew]

idk I dont think it has to be competitive to be unfun

I really dont like playing with smite

or a plasma vet with decent aim

plasma vets on their way to kill everything im I'm melee with and not the literally everything else

[bitter turtle]

i don tnecessarily disagree but then you have to hit a lot of things for being "unfun to play with"

[scenic ginkgo]

Warframe did that

[pastel yew]

I can see a world in which these options are more reigned in and fun though

[bitter turtle]

including mods, if you ask some people

[pastel yew]

smite needs a whole like.. reword probably

[scenic ginkgo]

Destroyed every AOE weapon in the game because reddit people cried

[pastel yew]

idk mods that give people giga advantage are so rare

I've had one person with genuine aim hack

running about with the agri revolver

and I've had a few quell macro psykers

but thats about it

[scenic ginkgo]

What actually is this?

[pastel yew]

so as psyker you can cancel some animations by pressing your quell key

to fire faster

kinda like block cancelling?

now imagine that

with basically 0 cooldown

so you can make something like the surge staff left click full auto and do insane dps

far beyond what any human could manage with it

[scenic ginkgo]

Oh bruh

[loud belfry]

it's only really a problem if they use macros i guess

[pastel yew]

yeah without macros its whatever

[loud belfry]

it just has an extremely high potential unlike most animation cancels

[narrow frost]

macro makes it skillless

[pastel yew]

honestly I think quell cancelling feels trash to do in game flow anyway

[narrow frost]

its skill based

[pastel yew]

macro also makes it way beyond what is possible

[narrow frost]

its still possible

just way hard

[pastel yew]

no human is clicking that fast

[narrow frost]

yes

I have

[tall torrent]

Shoot staff left click projectiles 2.5x faster than normal

[pastel yew]

I do not believe you can keep up with a genuine macro ngl

[narrow frost]

Okay

[pastel yew]

given you can set the delay?

[scenic ginkgo]

Tbh tell that to geometry dash players

[tall torrent]

It’s not as fast as u think

[scenic ginkgo]

Those mfs know how to click a mouse

[pastel yew]

idk man it looks p fast

[tall torrent]

Quell cancel is around 200ms firing interval

[pastel yew]

maybe thats just becaeuse of surge

[tall torrent]

So ~300rpm (same as Mk IIb infantry lasgun)

There’re piano songs that consistently have >600 keys per minute lol

It’s not impossible

[pastel yew]

typically you aint out here playing piano with one finger while juggling other keys though

[narrow frost]

you can change keybinds

[bitter turtle]

well i mean

technically you do do that

while playing piano

[narrow frost]

I had mine on m1 and m2

[bitter turtle]

that is how piano works

[narrow frost]

m1 shoot m2 quell

same speed as macro

[bitter turtle]

you play keys with one finger and the rest of your fingers are doing more keys

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-cheeseball-cat-gun-wizard-wizard-cat-gun-gif-399075498805113450

you know what I menat

[loud belfry]

where's the video of a macroless person keeping up with the macro for >5 seconds

[pastel yew]

if you're rebinding to m1 m2 then maybe I can see it

[narrow frost]

That just makes it easier

[pastel yew]

though its still gonna be worse and likely slower

[narrow frost]

I can still do default settings

[pastel yew]

no human being is hitting that consistently

[narrow frost]

I know a few 😔

[pastel yew]

unless you got your metronome playing in the background, top tier psyker gameplay

[narrow frost]

freaks

[pastel yew]

idk imo its a really shitty exploit that should be adjusted anyway

[tall torrent]

I can do 600 keys per minute on piano for a while but ig that’s not relevant to this conversation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[loud belfry]

you just gotta keep trying until you get the feeling down. it may seem impossible just thinking about it but doing by feel makes it far more possible

[narrow frost]

took me like 500 hours to understand it

and like 300 more to get it down

[loud belfry]

even to people who do epic piano speeds likely think of it as almost impossible to imagine doing it manually or like, without relying on feeling

[pastel yew]

it its literally physically impossible for a human to be as consistent as a macro

or perhaps just extremely improbably

to the point of being impossible

also I swear I've heard of people having a faster macro than 200ms

what's the actual hard set limit

[tall torrent]

Idk, ask fatshark’s code people lol

[pastel yew]

even if that was the limit just to speak on it, increasing your firerate 5x with a janky tech

is silly

[loud belfry]

could be framerate dependent for all we know

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it should be anywhere near 300rpm for the amount of damage it does

[pastel yew]

https://youtu.be/pK5iukNN-Zc?t=133

funny cancel

ammoless

next to no peril gen

[tall torrent]

it's gonna look faster than the actual input rate because of surge blessing

anyway this is a badly recorded 600 KPM piano part

I don't think this is "particularly fast" or "impossible"

[pastel yew]

i just think hitting an exact delay with a single finger while doing other things

is never going to be as consistent as a macro is

even at the top most level

even without the macro honestly I feel its pretty cheaty

its clearly unintended for it to reach such a level

[tall torrent]

I think it's cheesy even without macro just based on the amount of damage it puts out

[sleek garden]

good gried

grief

all the decent players went to havoc

i cant go a single game in auric maelstrom without 3 zealots that die and leave in 5 minutes

[scenic ginkgo]

Yeah Auric teams are cooked now

[fading yarrow]

Pus-hardened Skin needs to be taken behind a Denny's and shot

Ty for coming to my TEDTalk

[scenic ginkgo]

Pus Hardened Gunner headglitching from 60 metres away with a perfect angle on you would like to know your location

[unreal nova]

Call an exterminatus on it instead. Probs more reasonable.

[austere mica]

This statement is hilariously ironic

[gilded wraith]

Trying this out as a modification of Scabs havoc build (rashad, laspistol mk 10). Any glaring issues other than Deadshot not being well thought of?

Las is Ghost/Infernus.

[tall torrent]

not having trench fighter for axe is going to feel horrible

[polar quiver]

how is ur tree compressed

what mod is that

[pseudo fiber]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/214

[swift thistle]

tree

[fading yarrow]

35/50. Gonna put my nose to the grindstone tomorrow

I'm also contemplating finding a group here for Atoma's Elite Guard/ASS

If I do manage to grind out 15 Havocs in a timely fashion, that is

[ember folio]

best knife blessings are uncanny+flesh right?

[hollow ibex]

That’s one combo

Uncanny and mercy are good too

With serrated blade

precog and riposte can be good too

there's a lot of potential combos

[faint beacon]

This is so fucking disgusting

plays Plasma once

does this

[unreal marsh]

is power sword still the best or whats the new best melee weapons

[tawny badger]

power sword

[peak tree]

What mod is this screen from? trying to find that in particular atm.

[faint beacon]

Scoreboard

[peak tree]

danke

[cyan verge]

DualShock IV Maccabian

[gilded wraith]

Power sword, dueling sword, combat blade, rashad all great.

[unreal marsh]

for columnus is it mk 2 or mk5 thats the one thats good

[hollow ibex]

uhh

you mean IAG?

it's mk5, but tbh they're all pretty good

[tall torrent]

Vraks Mk V infantry autogun

[thin stone]

@tall torrent can you use the IAGs in Havoc 40?

(my ahh is still stuck on 22)

[tall torrent]

probably?

not as good as recon tho imo

[thin stone]

I mean from viability POV

what do you use?

[tall torrent]

no infernus & worse ammo econ

[thin stone]

can you send your updated build once more plox

[tall torrent]

plasma / laspistol

[thin stone]

plasma sword?

oh god

[tall torrent]

What’s plasma sword

[thin stone]

I am confusing two different games here mb

[thin stone]

What melee do you use?

[tall torrent]

Axe

[thin stone]

why no onslaught?

[thin stone]

rashad supremacy lessgo

[tall torrent]

Why onslaught ever

[thin stone]

Someone said it's good for recon las

someone here who uses it a ton

[tall torrent]

If u exclusively magdump the Mk XII, yea

[thin stone]

ow

so then how to deal with crusher?

[tall torrent]

Learn melee?

[thin stone]

ok

[bitter turtle]

Onslaught is meme

[thin stone]

ok

[jaunty sphinx]

yeah its not good

[bitter turtle]

If you need a recon build

I can give you the one i use on 40

[thin stone]

uh sure

@bitter turtle

[somber axle]

Onslaught is really only good for the XII and only if you want to be able to spray down Crushers. It gives too little value to change DPS/TTK on most other targets other than spraying Mauler heads or Flak Rager chests but like don't do that LOL

Don't use Onslaught on the VIc or XIV

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

If you want extra power to try to kill Crushers with the VIc or XIV (bad idea do not recommend) then you're better off running Marksman's Focus with Chink in their Armour (make sure you also have Rending Strikes first) and keeping stacks at 10+ by hosing down hordes at head height before swapping crosshairs onto Crusher packs

[thin stone]

Thanks

[somber axle]

I would not recommend that kn Havoc though

Just bring a can opener melee like DS4

Or Rashad Axe if your build can afford it

[thin stone]

I can do rashad

[thin stone]

I'll use this build

[proper jasper]

what should i put on my spearhead for boss/ogryn dmg?

need for big boy dps

[thin stone]

@tall torrent the laspistol build is ghost/falter right?

and what perks and do you use shock trooper with it?

[bitter turtle]

Ghost infernus for laspistol

[thin stone]

ok

[bitter turtle]

For havoc *

Ghost dumdum for non havoc

[thin stone]

ok

thanks

Also what do you mean by "you can use rashad if your build can afford it"?

[bitter turtle]

Rashad feels bad without weapon specialist aspd

[thin stone]

aspd?

[bitter turtle]

Attackspeed

[somber axle]

Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist both give melee attack speed

[thin stone]

ok

got it

[proper jasper]

anyone know what perk to put on my spearhead for boss dmg?

[tall torrent]

ghost + dum dum/infernus

[thin stone]

k

Idk why veteran feels better to play than zealot

zealot gets boring real quick

[proper jasper]

vet on top

[somber axle]

Do you mean Boltgun? I haven't heard anyone call a weapon spearhead before

It's Cavalcade + Puncture/Pinning Fire if you want to just magdump a boss face off iirc?

Oh wait you said perk

Unyielding

Most bosses are Unyielding with a few weird exceptions

Scab Captain is all Flak, the Karnak Twins have a mix of Flak/Carapace/Unarmoured depending on limb

If you want to check specifics here:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?type=CAPTAIN

Sorted so it should open right to either of the Twins

Also just in case do not use crit damage perk or weakspot damage perk because they're both bad and not worth getting

[radiant chasm]

specific mechanic: they only do base damage + (crit or weakspot bonus damage+10% of the bonus)

armor perks and enemy type perks (elites is the big one) apply the the entire hit

[somber axle]

Yeah so like say your gun does 100 damage on a non-crit and 200 damage on a crit. The 10% increase happens only on the bonus 100. So the end result is you used a perk slot to do 210 damage instead and that's garbo

Better to put Flak/Carapace/Maniac for better breakpoints on other targets vs a piddly increase that will not meaningfully change DPS/TTK on bosses

[grand perch]

i love it when teammates understand pings. and old tricks still work at high havoc level

[thin stone]

Is running a public squad on havoc a good idea?

Through party finder

[somber axle]

I've had solid luck with it so I'd say yeah

[grand perch]

well right now people still take it seriously so go for it

but even then, you can still have leavers, like in my clip of a 34 havoc above

[regal belfry]

which perks do you use on plasma and as blessings i wanted to use gets hot and rising heat

[jaunty sphinx]

Finally tried the dueling sword with weapon spec. Jesus Christ.

[jaunty sphinx]

iirc it's still gets hot and blaze away

[regal belfry]

tested once in the meat grinder and it looks like light attacks don't let you explode weird

[tall torrent]

Nah

[regal belfry]

redirect fire?

oh focus target keystone

thx mate i use normally hammer of the emperor guide

sadly it does not explains so much

[tall torrent]

Because the steam guide is the work-in-progress upgrade version

[regal belfry]

can you send me the link to the in pogress i would save it under my steam guide book marks

[jaunty sphinx]

Ah ok

Thanks!

[regal belfry]

and weird that plasma has a fire safety when not sharging up since when does it exist

[tall torrent]

It’s not published

I’m not releasing until majority is complete

[regal belfry]

makes sense people would lash back at unfinished guides

[frank ledge]

people will lash regardless, dt is full of misinformed folk

[regal belfry]

but more by unfinished especially when it comes to their weapons

[wicked epoch]

i am oddly happy with

713 lessers killed

is skirmisher any good?

i have a choice with that or agile engagement

[cyan verge]

no just take trench fighter drill

[regal belfry]

i hope they buff hellbore rifles

i like those rifles but they feel not good to use

[unreal marsh]

what in vets kit can 1 shot crushers?

or 1 shot maulers

[frank ledge]

Helbore 3a needs better bayonet

Helbores should have some explosibe blessing too

[regal belfry]

and faster weapon swap speed

nice with the gun safety but i think it could be faster

[regal belfry]

does it not have the stab

[frank ledge]

slash

[regal belfry]

mk 4 has slash

[frank ledge]

Whatever the heavy one

I hate the new names

[rustic beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dabaf9c-bd9c-4731-8468-2a7c03a19495/bounty-hunter-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

where would you guys put the last point? Main options imo would be grenade tinkerer, field improv, always prepared. I kinda want to put it into field improv for team supporrt but after testing in the psykhanium I realized frags don‘t one shot the horde if I don‘t take tinkerer…

[regal belfry]

graia mk 5, void blast, electrokinetic, inferno

[frank ledge]

I hope hitreg rarely works in your games

[regal belfry]

i still them by their old names vraks mk5 , trauma, surge, purgatus

i want the headhunter rifles back

vraks mk7

[cyan verge]

who? I only know inferno and electrokinetic

cuz those are the names now deal w it

[bitter turtle]

almost always shit

there's exactly one build i'd take it on

[bitter turtle]

tinkerer doesnt affect the bleed damage, only the initial explosion

take always prepared

[rustic beacon]

Alright, ty 💪🏻

[dire olive]

I'm pretty sure when the game launched the infantry lasgun also had the switch press weapon swap, but for some reason they only changed them and not the helbore

[wicked epoch]

i alr have it

[bitter turtle]

folding shovel

ds4

[tired badge]

Does havoc require a build or can u just wing it?

[crimson wyvern]

veteran feels so squishy without his VoC crutch

can understand why you only pick that

[balmy flume]

The only thing that stops people complaining about VoC is that it is pretty much a crutch tool for any and all teammates in coherency

That immediate knockback benefits members moreso that the Zealot's equivalent IMHO (The stun+Toughness aura)

(Though having both is boss)

[young kite]

few days ago in here i asked if my plasma gun had good stats and somebody hit me with a screenshot from somewhere with optimal numbers for stats, where do i look for crap like that

[weak parcel]

can you queue as 2 into havoc, or can you only join other ppl if you're alone

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[young kite]

he does not read ands

[wicked epoch]

no his name is the answer

you want 69 thermal and 71 charge

[wicked epoch]

Is it worth for krakd

Kraks

[bitter turtle]

tinkerer will basically only matter when throwing them against bosses

its not the worst node to take for kraks

but kraks are niche to begin with

[bitter turtle]

requires a build

does not necessarily require voc

[wicked epoch]

Thats what i had in mind

my build is basically

just shout and run into a crowd

Throw kraks at ogryns and bosses

power sword everything

bolt pistol anything i want gone fast

[bitter turtle]

kraks and power sword is pretty redundant

psword already kills crushers in 2 hits

and has good boss damage

unless you really know what you are doing (like, for example, if you're premading and you know your team has mixed hordes under control, so you are speccing purely against bosses)

i would not run them together personally

[tough tiger]

I only run krak when i use a shitty melee like a dclaw

[bitter turtle]

yeah having a gun and a melee that both cant deal with armor is the other scenario

[tough tiger]

But parrying bosses can be pretty fun

[bitter turtle]

but i tend to just call that a bad build

considering there's like

three melee weapons only

that arent good at dealing with armor

[tough tiger]

Chain weapons, dclaw and hsword?

[bitter turtle]

dclaw, hsword, chsword

chainaxe can oneshot them

[tough tiger]

True but its so sluggish

[bitter turtle]

that's chainaxe in general

chainsword technically doesnt have an awful kill time with bletter

but needing to stand still for 2 revs and being locked into that animation for that long is just super dangerous

[tough tiger]

Speaking of chswords

I hate seeing ppl run chainsword builds with chorus on zealot

[bitter turtle]

oof

[tough tiger]

I bet ppl get that build from old ass yt videos and still think it workd

[bitter turtle]

furyless chainsword

[tough tiger]

It hasnt worked then, it doesnt work now

[real sorrel]

Does vet survivalist aura get nerfed by havoc ammo reduction?

[wicked epoch]

i mean the redundancies work pretty well for me

Im so used to kraks to the point its all i use

I always have anti armor so its funny lol

bolter/bolt pistol/plasma gun, power sword, kraks with twinned

[scenic ginkgo]

No

It's the only source of ammo that doesn't iirc

[torn acorn]

which weapons benefit from weapon specialist most?

[bitter turtle]

Zarona revolver, boltpistol, burst fire vigilant autogun, laspistol, double barrel shotgun, literally any melee weapon

[torn acorn]

yeah ı was asking for ranged weapons mostly too

the buffs to melee is just good across he board

[bitter turtle]

Plasma as well

[torn acorn]

this is taking into account the ammo node as well right?

[stuck gorge]

The ammo reload is really nice on db

[torn acorn]

so you just keill in melee swap to to ranged fire once rinse and repeat right

[bitter turtle]

Generally a weapon will only benefit from 2 out of 3 of the main gun related effects

1. Guaranteed crit
2. Firerate buff
3. Passive reload

Nothing really takes advantage of all three

The guns i listed all take advantage of two

[torn acorn]

yeah fire rate on the revolver for instance

[bitter turtle]

Revolver - crit and reload
Bistol - crit and reload
Dual shotgun - crit and reload
Plasma - crit and reload-ish
Laspistol - crit and fire rate
Vigilant - crit and fire rate

[stuck gorge]

Plasma just never reloads if you use ws lmao

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

It's not necessary though

[torn acorn]

sadly ı hate how the plasma feels

[bitter turtle]

Unlike the other three above it

[torn acorn]

it is damn strong don't get me wrong

ı just couldn't warm up to the non bullet weapons

[bitter turtle]

I don't like it either

Not like you have to play it anyway

[torn acorn]

ofc not

ı play on heresy

ı don't really have to worry about meta and stuff all that much

[bitter turtle]

Meta doesn't really matter except havoc

Even auric you can do whatever

[torn acorn]

well that is nice to hear

for me at least

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[torn acorn]

ı will go upto damnation once ı hit lvl 30 and get a full build going

[bitter turtle]

It's why havoc feels really different, which is nice in its own way

Auric damnation is the power fantasy

Run in, dodge bullets, kill everything that moves

[torn acorn]

shout my beloved

covering my ass since hour 3

[bitter turtle]

Havoc is more like teamwork and a desperate struggle to break through

[torn acorn]

ı have a ways to go till havoc

gotta do auric first

[bitter turtle]

Mhm

Well just play whatever you like until havoc honestly

The only thing to consider is making sure your weapons compliment each other

Something like laspistol+dclaw will just make you sad vs armored enemies

[torn acorn]

ı have zarona devil claw rn

doing pretty good

[bitter turtle]

Decent combo yeah

Zarona picks off elites, dclaw cleans up trash

[swift river]

This is such a bullshit penance, why does it have to be 2500 enemies

[paper trellis]

finally got a perfect roll, and of course it was while i wasn't looking

bought over 100 of the damn things from the armory, then it pops up in requisition

[brave pond]

Anyone else think the smokes need to get a rework?

[bronze cargo]

For Auric Maelstrom, what guns on Vet outside of plasma and recon las (shock trooper build) perform generally as well? Mainly considering for elite/boss killing.
Tried the helbore but it didn't feel like it kept up much lmao

[paper trellis]

infantry autogun is good

[crimson pebble]

bolter bolt pistol revolver las pistol are better then las rifle anything can work id you play it well enough

[bronze cargo]

I think the infantry autogun is what I use on my scriers psyker? Felt pretty good with that

Is the bolter the spearhead? Keep seeing that name thrown around lmao

And yeah, anything can work when skilled enough for sure, I just absolutely ain't at that kind of level yet to be goofing around and trolling these matches

[crimson pebble]

if your looking for a gun thats just gonna play the game for you only plasma rlly falls into that category imo

[tacit hearth]

The boltgun kinda works but the reload is painful

[bronze cargo]

Def not to that extent, just looking for something outside of recon las and plasma to bring in that feels like it actually can do work without a ton of time put into it

I use the revolver on my zealot but the ammo of it scares me on vet, spearhead swap speed and reload also put me off from bringing that for higher intensity fights

I don't got the game sense to predict everything yet to really get the most out of the slower ones if that makes sense

[crimson pebble]

if you play w any aptitude on vet with survivalist its nearly impossible to run out of ammo for the revolver and youll be criting out your ass

[paper trellis]

honestly the only thing i'm aware of that is genuinely bad is the autopistol

[swift river]

I wish I could jsut play solo for this penance. Fuckin hell...

[bronze cargo]

Oh wait that's actually hella reassuring then, cause I love that thing. Appreciate the input!

[bronze cargo]

Wait actually? Never used it but now I want to see how it is lmao

[paper trellis]

i will say infantry las requires a lot of skill, but in the right hands it's a monster

[swift river]

I'm not having fun anymore. Why can't I just skip penances

[bronze cargo]

What about it makes it like that? Don't think I've ever touched the thing

[paper trellis]

average damage and fire rate, virtually no armor pen, but a very strong weakspot multiplier and functionally infinite ammo

[bronze cargo]

Wait that actually sounds like it would make me get good at this silly game then

[paper trellis]

don't play it like recon, you want to use it like a dmr

[vital wren]

You on console?

[bronze cargo]

Aight revolver and and infantry las builds incoming

Appreciate you all, very informative

[crimson pebble]

las pistol performs much better then rifle imo

[paper trellis]

laspistol plays fairly similarly yeah

[swift river]

No, PC

[bronze cargo]

las pistol it is!

[vital wren]

Get ManyMoreTry mod, you can load up a mission too old for quickplayers to join and just roll with bots to work on penances like that.

[paper trellis]

which penance?

[vital wren]

Sounds like 2500 crabwalk kills

[paper trellis]

oh working on that one rn. it fucking sucks

[vital wren]

Yeah took me a while

[paper trellis]

Doesn’t help that you actively have to be a worse player to get any meaningful progression on it

[swift river]

This, absolutely this

It fuckin sucks

SO MUCH

I only average maybe 100 per misson

[teal canyon]

Can we have normal mouse sensetivity instead of "lol you suddenly a slop"

[swift river]

Is Adept Assassin bugged?

I've been stuck at 174 out of 250 since... Forever

Oh wait, weapons specialist, nevermind. That's the next one I gotta do

[vital wren]

What I did for marksman focus was go into Enclavum Baross solo with bots up to the bridge portion, activate the event, but never power up the bridge. Unlimited spawns. I'd just go until I was out of ammo/overwhelmed then reset.

[fading yarrow]

The DCs are hurting today, frens
First two matches of the day, DC in the first, three DCs in the second

It's usually only this bad when I'm five matches in

[swift river]

Right now I'm just running low difficulty missions and standing as still as possible 😄

[vital wren]

You can crouch walk/dodge!

If you took that node anyhow

[swift river]

I don't even need to dodge. My toughness regens too fast at these low difficulties 😄

[vital wren]

Haha fair, I just meant to move around 🙂

[low shale]

New to the game
Whats a good veteran gun that shoots fast

And how do I read stats? Does the % matter?

And whats the High Damage/High Capacity mean?

Is a Bolt Pistol good?

[hollow ibex]

recon las mk xii is a good starting point, as is vraks mk5 infantry autogun

[hollow ibex]

yes, most guns will want 80% in all stats, and 60% in what is called a dump stat

[hollow ibex]

just general terms to give you a sense of what the gun's role is, doesn't do much

[hollow ibex]

yes, esp on vet

[low shale]

Is the Auto gun a machine gun
They say auto gun but I used it and it shoots like a DMR

[hollow ibex]

infantry auto gun = assault rifle

braced auto gun = hipfiring assualt rifle with bigger mag but no ADS

vigilant auto gun = DMR

[low shale]

Ok tysm
I like the game and am trying to learn some lore to its all new
Nurgle is interesting

[hollow ibex]

yeah i was confused by all this shit when starting too

[low shale]

Just a curiosity question where is all the space marines? And aren't we supposed to be instant infected from pox walkers?

[hollow ibex]

prob busy with other shit, there's only so many space marines

idk about how pox works, i assume it's from ingesting infected materials

[low shale]

Also question about the stats what should I focus on in guns

[full spindle]

hey i played this game alot some time ago, but im super rusty. Has anything big changed recently?

[hollow ibex]

there's a guide in the pins that covers literally everything for vet, take a look at that

[low shale]

Ok ty

[vital wren]

Also this is just one infected hive city that already has local guard regiments and the inquisition present. SM haven't been called.

[hollow ibex]

idk how long ago you played, but the game has had some pretty substantial changes over the course of this year

[full spindle]

ah dang

[tawny timber]

good changes though

[tall torrent]

no we're just built different

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

Darktide's player characters are canonically more durable than space marines

[pastel yew]

they're far away, thank god

no space marines in darktide

[paper trellis]

depends on how faithful you are to the emperor. The pox is metaphysical, your doubts and straying from the faith leaves you vulnerable. Probably why inquisition is involved
there's even a mission about turning off a heretical broadcast because it literally infects you with the pox if you lose faith

[pastel yew]

I want a playable hellstrike missile before a space marine gets added

[paper trellis]

hatred quite literally is your shield

at least until you let your hatred consume you and fall to khorne

[pastel yew]

man the subreddit has been

especially stinky the past few days

[pseudo fiber]

Has it?

[pastel yew]

bad take concentration has reached unenjoyable levels

[paper trellis]

it's reddit my dude, that's just how they are

[pastel yew]

yeah, more toxicity, more people that dont understand the game complaining about how X isnt overpowered

[hearty panther]

G*mers flux in with large(r) updates and flood the space, eventually they find a new FotM and move on

[pastel yew]

normally the reddit has more memes but

we got slop like this

[hearty panther]

this has always been true though, because people are dumb and impulsive

[frank ether]

reddit brainrot

[pastel yew]

there was a funny ogryn meme but thats about it

[paper trellis]

when gamers forget that the team game is played as a team

[hearty panther]

i spent a week putting together a post for smite and it got a whopping 200 upvotes, only 2,000 upvotes less than a poorly slapped together memegenerator post on the same day

that's just how it is

[pastel yew]

on my post just over a year ago talking about how the plasma gun isnt balanced and why a lot of the "drawbacks" people reference like heat are actually strengths

[paper trellis]

jokes aside, the number of lone wolves and ppl that just wander about aimlessly has been pretty bad last few days

[pastel yew]

I've learned that engaging with reddit on balance discussion is mostly just not worth

[hearty panther]

i actually had good rates and views for mine

[pseudo fiber]

I remember that post. I upvoted it hoping reddit would learn.

[hearty panther]

91% for upvotes

[hearty panther]

but again

memes lmao

[pastel yew]

controversial me thinks

[scenic ginkgo]

Fellas, quick opinions - what do you guys take for plasma gun blessings & why?

[pastel yew]

I take glory hunter and blaze away

because I like toughness and blaze away can help with some breakpoints since I dont run the most optimal build path

[hearty panther]

that was mine

[pastel yew]

woof

[hearty panther]

i find the metrics pretty fascinating tbh and id love to see them all the time

[pastel yew]

smite haters unite

[paper trellis]

depends on how you are playing it. You firing it like normal or using it as part of a weapon specialist set up

[hearty panther]

but anyway, of course dumb as fuck memes and circlejerks take off faster

it takes 0.1 seconds to engage with a meme picture and press the updoot

[pastel yew]

mhm

[hearty panther]

if there's no picture and three sentences you have to actually process even a bare modicum of information

[scenic ginkgo]

Weapon specialist

[hearty panther]

that's less time to impulsively press up

[pastel yew]

I saw a post by a vet saying that without shout they dont have any toughness generation

[hearty panther]

therefore no traction

oh yea i saw that too lmao

[pastel yew]

guy no joke was saying that ranged toughness regen is pointless

[low shale]

Why? Wouldn't they end this alot quicker? Or do you worry they would become infected and make a bigger issue

[hearty panther]

mfer you have nothing BUT toughness gen

[pastel yew]

and then ignored all other forms

[paper trellis]

probably best to use the blessings that scale it up with heat then

[pastel yew]

because space marines are boring and over represented

not every 40k game has to be spass mareen

[scenic ginkgo]

What would you recommend as a more generalist setup too? Curious

Probably gonna run it on my melee setup also

[pastel yew]

its always a race to the bottom to hamfist them in which makes them way cooler and dilutes the franchise imo

they're meant to be rare, most wars are fought like this

just people on people

[paper trellis]

when you bring in the space marines, things have gone to absolute shit. things in darktide are being handled

[pseudo fiber]

also this is pretty tame by 40k standards

[low shale]

Thats not what I said at all.

[pastel yew]

thats without even getting into the like lore issues right? arent we on the bad side of the split

[scenic ginkgo]

If Space Marines were here our rejects would be dead in a ditch somewhere

[pastel yew]

then see my comment below

space marines are not very plentiful in numbers, they cant be everywhere. and it's 40k

[paper trellis]

iirc blaze away and optimized cooling work well together

[pastel yew]

war is everywhere

[low shale]

Oof no redemption for them?

[pastel yew]

definitely not for some of them lmao

[paper trellis]

gets hot and gloryhunter is nice to for sniping specials

[scenic ginkgo]

Ironically Ogryns would probably last the longest from a Lore perspective

[pastel yew]

yeah they take you from 8 shots max to 11 if you spam click

[low shale]

Against Marines or Nurgle antics?

[pastel yew]

stupid combo

yeah I mean ogryns are dumb

[scenic ginkgo]

Like in a marines needed situation

[pastel yew]

loyal

dont really fall to chaos often

[paper trellis]

i'm actually not sure, but the dialogue in game suggests we aren't in the maledictus

[pastel yew]

and when they do its usually because someone they're loyal to lead them there

[low shale]

Thats sad

I feel bad for the doctors dialog
Ik it sounds stupid 😅

Medicae or whatever

[pastel yew]

hmm hmm I'm unsure too

[paper trellis]

and since khorne decided to take out their version of the emperor's light, they are royally fucked rn

[scenic ginkgo]

People forget like

The guard fights the VAST majority of imperium war campaigns

This doesn't even qualify for the guard

So they're hardly sending space marines

[low shale]

So wait this war isnt that bad?

[pastel yew]

all wars are bad bad

but the marines can't always show up to save the day

[paper trellis]

Tbf the situation is a guard corps went traitor, which is why the inquisition got called in

[tall torrent]

It’s going horribly wrong but they’re being denied reinforcements from most of their requests

[scenic ginkgo]

This isn't even really a war

[pastel yew]

we're approaching something far worse

[scenic ginkgo]

We're just on pest control

[tall torrent]

Mechanicus reinforcements got denied

[pastel yew]

or at least I'm hoping its about to get worse...

daemons please

[tall torrent]

Steel legion reinforcements not coming

[pastel yew]

everyone busy with their own shit ig

[low shale]

So I was reading up on lore and Daemons need a connection to stay in realspace

Am I right about this and if so

Is there something keeping Nurgle around?

[paper trellis]

Comparatively yes. It’s one hive city gone to absolute shit as opposed to an entire planet about to go up in smoke

[pastel yew]

I mean in the most recent mission we see sorcerers trying to bring... something through

[tall torrent]

The only imperial guard regiments that came are Moebian 21st (a naval based regiment that’s forced to fight in close quarters) and Moebian 53rd

[pastel yew]

using the karnaks body as a home for it

the speaker says "Great One" capitalised

[paper trellis]

Nurgle isn’t in realspace rn. We’d be dead if he was

They were trying to summon a great unclean one iirc

[pastel yew]

which could mean great unclean one attempted summon? it could just refer to some aspect of nurlge.. any plebby daemon

[low shale]

Sorry still learning

So what about his influence then?

[tall torrent]

Chaos gods are warp entities and don’t manifest in real space

Daemons can be summoned into real space through binding with a daemonhost or daemon engine, or dark rituals that construct warp gates that allow them to pass through

[pastel yew]

yeah they need human bodies to tie themselves to until things get really bad

[paper trellis]

All he needs are people praying to him. And the scabs are an entire regiment of traitor guardsmen, along with the local traitor cultists

[low shale]

So wtf am I shooting at that eats people

[paper trellis]

That’s a demon. He’s a literal god

[tall torrent]

Beast of nurgle is a daemonic entity that’s been summoned on Atoma

[pastel yew]

chaos spawn and ogryn not daemon, beast of nurgle is daemon,

[low shale]

And it gets worse?

[pastel yew]

oh yeah big time

[paper trellis]

Much much worse

[tall torrent]

Oh yea

[hearty panther]

does it ever get better lmao

[low shale]

How tf do we fight something like that?

[hearty panther]

that is not the trend of this universe

[paper trellis]

Now that’s the question

[pastel yew]

uhhh I mean usually not really on the scale the game operates at

[tall torrent]

U just casually beat the beast of nurgle and move on

[hearty panther]

i casually beat it every day

[low shale]

So what is he like a weaker one?

[pastel yew]

but we got average dudes 1v1ing chaos spawn n such

[hearty panther]

sometimes twice a day

[pastel yew]

not the weakest but weaker than some for sure

[paper trellis]

Spite. Heavily reinforcing planets physically and spiritually

[tall torrent]

A daemonic minion in nurgle’s army, basically

[low shale]

Ik that but I mean lore wise

[pastel yew]

great unclean one would have been a big step up

[low shale]

Bruh

[tall torrent]

Yea lore wise we’re built different, since Darktide is canon

[low shale]

Bruhhhh

[pastel yew]

great unclean one is probably too strong to have as a regular fight

maybe a boss map encounter?... but doubt

[paper trellis]

As much trouble as the cult of the emperor causes, it is the only thing keeping humanity from getting their teeth kicked in by chaos

[pastel yew]

if we get more daemons itll likely just be nurglings and plaguebearers

[low shale]

So what we're all blessed or something

[pseudo fiber]

I was always under the assumption the rejects were just fucking lying lol

[tall torrent]

Great unclean one’s summoning got interrupted in dark communion (newest mission)

[tall torrent]

Maybe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[paper trellis]

Honestly, yeah there is a decent chance the player characters were blessed by the emperor

[pastel yew]

hillarious head cannon, everything we play is just rejects telling stories about their last mission with lots of embellishment

[paper trellis]

Even the loner

[pastel yew]

I mean it's not confirmed beyond "Great One"

[low shale]

Thats cool. Meaning we wont vomit out both ends???

[pastel yew]

which to me is still kinda vague enough to have not been a great unclean one

[tall torrent]

The only “great one” in nurgle’s context is great unclean one tbh

[pseudo fiber]

there's also teh theory the "I am a warrior" speech was doing something

[pastel yew]

it could just be referring to demonic entities in general, with great one referring to nurgle himself

[paper trellis]

Long as you have a very strong will, or just really hate heresy, you are safe

[pastel yew]

given demons are effectively aspects of their greater god

[paper trellis]

That’s why the shield mechanic is our willpower

[tall torrent]

I mean if you’re new to the game and don’t know its mechanics well u will definitely get your ass whooped

[fading yarrow]

41/50

I might actually get this done today

[paper trellis]

Now I’m going to get some food

[low shale]

So I picked cutthroat he tends to have dialog that gives me issues with this tbh
Is that just gameplay then?

[pastel yew]

enjoy

[low shale]

I mean he seems paranoid af

[tall torrent]

Do u know what happened to Cadia

[low shale]

Exploded

[paper trellis]

Loner and cutthroat are bordering on heretical, but they are profoundly strong willed

[tall torrent]

Yea so cutthroat was on cadia during the 13th black crusade

[pastel yew]

rest in piss cadia

[low shale]

Uhhh I dunno what that mean

[paper trellis]

Nah dude. Cadia was literally keeping back the apocalyptic event that is the maledictus

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat canonically fought in the battle that eventually resulted in Cadia blowing up

[pastel yew]

I'm just not a massive fan of them I'll be honest

they're the space marines of imperial guard

[low shale]

So hes a cool dude?

[paper trellis]

Things are only so bad because the leader of chaos’s forces finally destroyed it after 13 attempts

[hearty panther]

no he's a loser

[paper trellis]

He has all of the ptsd

[pastel yew]

planet broke before he did

[tall torrent]

He’s got super PTSD because his planet blew up and he couldn’t save it (even though he was there)

[hearty panther]

just a big cry baby

[low shale]

Thats actually sad af

Nah give homie some props

[hearty panther]

there's like a trillion planets just pick a new one smh

[low shale]

Lol

[pastel yew]

lmao

cadia falling has also lead to interesting plot stuff

[low shale]

So what Cadia was a tipping point?

[pastel yew]

I'm a big fan of the imperium nihilus stuff or whatever its called

[pastel yew]

cadia had some like.. anti chaos rock in it

or someting

[low shale]

Oh fuck...

[pastel yew]

and so when the planet got sploded

a huge rift cut the galaxy in half

[low shale]

Bruh

[pastel yew]

so you have the not good half

and you have the really not good half

[low shale]

Wait

[tall torrent]

Before Cadia blew up = everything are fucked but not so much

After Cadia blew up = primarch Guilliman return, galaxy split in two halves, one half is extraordinarily fucked

[paper trellis]

Think of it this way. Half of the empire is in the biggest deepest shit it’s been in all of its history, because Cadia fell. Imagine not being able to stop that. They are literally worse off than they were during the Horus heresy

[low shale]

What half is the planet we're on rn

[tall torrent]

The less fucked half

[pastel yew]

uncertain

[low shale]

Bro whuuttt

[tall torrent]

Because we’re northwest to sol system

[low shale]

👀

[tall torrent]

The half that’s cut off is the eastern side

[low shale]

Can they make a game showing the shit half?

Fr

[tall torrent]

Idk

[low shale]

If this is tame

[paper trellis]

It would be unplayable.

[pastel yew]

honestly it'd be pretty similar I'd imagine, depending on the planet

[tall torrent]

Oh no Darktide is not “tame”

[pastel yew]

just next to no chance of any reinforcement

since warp travels all fucky over there

[tall torrent]

We’ve already killed more beasts of nurgle than the entire grey knights chapter ever did

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[paper trellis]

Imagine being a normal dude and a beast of nurgle would be the least threatening thing within a mile

[low shale]

Wait so if you're on that half you're fucked?

[paper trellis]

Exceedingly

[pastel yew]

yeah, the emperor is like a lighthouse which helps ships travel safely

but the big ass rift blocks his light

so they have to navigate with far less reliable means

[low shale]

Thats insane

This is interesting

[pastel yew]

and its not like warp travel was safe to begin with

yeah its all real cool

[paper trellis]

They had an artificial version of the emperors light for a while, but khorne personally destroyed it

[tall torrent]

Angron broke it

[pastel yew]

this I had no idea about

[paper trellis]

Now they can’t warp travel

[tall torrent]

Then got his face smashed in by the lion

[pastel yew]

cant they still warp travel just not safely?

[paper trellis]

While being possessed by khorne

[pastel yew]

using charts n shit

[low shale]

Is that the opening scene I saw with the guy seeing visions or whatever
I assumed warp travel took you close or into the warp to travel faster

[paper trellis]

It’s akin to giving credit to robot girlyman for burning the garden

[tall torrent]

Warp travel takes you directly into hell

[low shale]

Bro tf lol

[pastel yew]

it takes you inside, but the ships surrounded by like a... safety baby bubble called a geller field. it maintains a portion of real space so you dont just die

[paper trellis]

Faster than light requires folding reality.

[low shale]

That sounds like a stupid idea

[paper trellis]

Even irl

[pastel yew]

I mean its the only way to get around

roll the cosmic dice

[hearty panther]

da cicatwix mawadikum split da empiya in two, da nasty haf, and da even nastiar haf

• Morrow, totally

[pastel yew]

sometimes you get there in 30 years

[paper trellis]

The only other ftl option only the elves have access to

[pastel yew]

sometimes you get there before you left

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[low shale]

So I heard theres a Marine fighting demons rn

In the warp

[pastel yew]

why does morrow talk like a furry

[tall torrent]

Kaldor draigo

[paper trellis]

Yeah, the previous leader of the grey knights

[low shale]

Is he cool
Like doom guy cool

[paper trellis]

He’s like a mini primarch

[hearty panther]

siwenence, wejects!

[pastel yew]

blessed

[low shale]

Is he really that strong?

[pastel yew]

named character

space marine

pretty strong

[low shale]

Space Marines are the best humans have to offer?

[hearty panther]

but do they have a face

[pastel yew]

some of them

I dont know 40k is really like

wishy washy on power scale

mostly things are as strong or as weak as the plot requires

[tall torrent]

He’s a named space marine who doesn’t wear a helmet

[hearty panther]

its a fucking mess

[tall torrent]

That’s like as strong as u can get in 40k

[thorn lark]

He's not a space marine

[pastel yew]

marines range from unstoppable killing machines, to literal cannon fodder

[thorn lark]

He's a grey knight

[pastel yew]

grey knights do be standing above the rest

[low shale]

So what can he 1v1 nurgle 😅

[thorn lark]

And he's quite the Mary Sue

[pastel yew]

do the chaos gods have physical form?

this is one thing I've never really been certain on

I always kinda assumed they were more abstract

kinda like how the emperors image is a projection or whatever

[thorn lark]

Nope

[pastel yew]

except they'd have no body

[pastel yew]

a mary sue named character space marine?

surely you jest

[hearty panther]

if i cant hit it with my thunder hammer, then it's not a problem
if i can hit it it with my thunder hammer ... then it's definitely not a problem

[pastel yew]

I do hope we get more daemons though... loot nurgling... I beg

plague drones would be cool but likely never gonna happen given the maps

[thorn lark]

The only space marine that can compare on the loyalist side is Mephiston. And the guy is basically a demi-god now

[severe gale]

nope

technically the primarchs are

but the custodes are more of an army

[queen fox]

teeeechnically big E is

[paper trellis]

Even the custodes count, but they are wildly inconsistent

And sisters of battle are more or less on par with space marines

[queen fox]

there are lots of written examples of baseline(sometimes augmented but not always) humans beating chaos space marines in melee

[thorn lark]

There's no lore with a space marine on par with a custodes tho

[queen fox]

yeah, abbadon

[thorn lark]

Abaddon does not count

[queen fox]

i guess

[thorn lark]

That's plot armor

[queen fox]

is it plot armor? or is he just that gigabrained

13th times the charm

[stuck gorge]

Bending reality so you have plot armor

[paper trellis]

He’s got absurd plot armor

Because they need someone to fill the gap Horus left

And he’s just nowhere close to Horus in practice

Admittedly because Horus is an anime mc

[queen fox]

i really think a comic/manga starting at the beginning of the unification wars would be fantastic

i want tto see the emperor turn mad max wastelands into cities and then see horus tear them down

[thorn lark]

Huron

[queen fox]

horse heresy

[paper trellis]

I completely forgot he existed tbh

[grand perch]

thats some horse hearsay

[thorn lark]

It's true that the lore around him is quite old now... But he's the second biggest chaos warlord (Failbaddon being the first).

[paper trellis]

I’m still pretty new to 40k, so most of what I know is fantasy or modern 40k. learning more, but takes time

[thorn lark]

There are some good resources on YouTube if you don't mind listening to people talking

[hearty panther]

and talking in circles

[thorn lark]

Luetin and Sandman of Terra are more in the long form genre

I like majorkill

[bitter turtle]

Anyone can win against anyone if the plot needs them to win

[thorn lark]

It's around 10 minutes and he's Australian

[remote sonnet]

Or dig in the deep of the internet, finding the relics on 2000s forums.

[terse idol]

Like i think the greatest issue in 40k power is its like

Reasonable

[paper trellis]

Luetin and pancreasnowork have been helpful

[thorn lark]

Before the culture wars of wokism

[paper trellis]

Sandman of Terra I’m not familiar with

[thorn lark]

Arthur 40k is also very nice

[queen fox]

wolf lord rho does daily stuff

[paper trellis]

Oh I have liked Arthur’s stuff

Tbf I’m typically listening to them at work lol

[thorn lark]

Rho is a bit boring. Too first degree

[queen fox]

the two best lore channels, hands down, are Amber King and Oculus Imperia

[thorn lark]

Hmmm Luetin tho...

[queen fox]

the highest quality lore content of any franchise

is those two channels

[remote sonnet]

Back a few years ago, there is that stupid "one mind syndicate", that if you want a fantasy story to sleep on, that's the one.

[queen fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMFI8waM8rs

oculus is the best lore content on youtube period

not just for 40k

[dry cloak]

i watch both weshammer and majorkill.

[queen fox]

oculus writes and reads as if he was an in-universe historian

[low shale]

Just read about him hes pretty cool

I don't entirely think hes a Mary Sue though

[queen fox]

bro you are giving opinions on a character you know only from a wiki article

[low shale]

Ok? Are you pressed about a fictional character and my opinion

[queen fox]

also named characters in 40k all have plot armor until they dont

[austere mica]

Every character ever has plot armor until they don’t

[low shale]

^

[queen fox]

tru enough

[low shale]

I think hes pretty neat

[keen lagoon]

Wokism isn’t a thing

[queen fox]

dont start

[austere mica]

Be glad we only have to do this shit once a week

Instead of daily

[bitter turtle]

Is wokism believing in the power of woks

[queen fox]

woks are ok, but the best pan is an omelette pan

[austere mica]

Alright now that’s a discussion I will entertain

[bitter turtle]

I too remember an internet before you could buy woks

[remote sonnet]

Why are everyone all getting into deep pan now?

[bitter turtle]

It was in the summer of 92

The wok peddlers appeared overnight

[remote sonnet]

Those deep pans are the best to fry noodles.

[paper trellis]

I thought it was an orkish cult that is neither savage nor cunning

[bitter turtle]

It's brutal and cunning

[paper trellis]

Right mb

But still

[bitter turtle]

[queen fox]

best pan design