veteran-class

[pastel yew]

two puts you at psyker

its kinda overkill

[bitter turtle]

Games lantern has very questionable builds on it

[pastel yew]

the only thing its worth is that it lets you infinite slide

[vapid nacelle]

single shot or fan the hammer revolver?

[soft trellis]

<.<'

[pastel yew]

with no stam usage

[pastel yew]

ahhhh i cant read

[soft trellis]

It lets you get pushes out better when ur at low stamina...? (yeah it's more a meme) :3

[pastel yew]

just not very often that you're gonna be out of stamina though ;p

unless your melee weapon is super reliant on them for horde clear

gotta admit

both stam delay nodes does feel reaal good though

[vapid nacelle]

ok so single shot

gotchaw

was wondering what the crusher response was

[soft trellis]

I mean... when I have my shovel... <.<'

[vapid nacelle]

both are those are good into them yeah

[soft trellis]

I just swap between the mk6 heavy sword and the mk3 shovel whenever I feel like it

[vapid nacelle]

I haven't used the revolver in quite a while

[soft trellis]

Also I got this on the build I have

[vapid nacelle]

maybe I should

gotcha

[soft trellis]

So the question is: What isn't my crusher response?

[vapid nacelle]

lol

I haven't used kraks in like forever

[pastel yew]

krak minigame of stacking enemies quite fun

[soft trellis]

They're more for monsters with how I fight crushers... unless there's like 10 of them

[vapid nacelle]

I'm just addicted to grenade spam

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean... they're just boss damage and team support for pubbies that are getting swamped by guys you cant get in melee with

[vapid nacelle]

frag* grenade spam

[soft trellis]

I tend to save frag nades for monsters as well, when I have them... x.x

[hollow ibex]

Frags should definitely be spammed

[soft trellis]

more cuz I forget about my nades sometimes cuz of zealot maining for so long

[vapid nacelle]

I have all the grenade regen stuff that's good so

[soft trellis]

I got so used to saving stun nades for clutches... that I forget to use nades

Less so on Vet

[vapid nacelle]

still trying to figure out what I'm most comfortable with for grenadier but so far I've been liking this most

knife boltpistol

[bitter turtle]

Imo

[manic echo]

I was thinking of maybe trying infantry autogun

Or something

[bitter turtle]

Invigorated is important on knife bistol

[vapid nacelle]

if I had the points I would get it

[manic echo]

Not sure how good that is compare to recon

[vapid nacelle]

but like I don't wanna drop anything that's there

[bitter turtle]

Drop crates?

[vapid nacelle]

I always take the crate perk

[manic echo]

Curious why ppl use knife and not dueling sword or chainsaw

[vapid nacelle]

not because it will guaranteed be game saving but because of the many times I've had a situation where it would be

[manic echo]

For hoard clear/elite kill

[bitter turtle]

Also I would say

[vapid nacelle]

I don't like the chain weapons except for the one handed sword on Zealot specifically

[bitter turtle]

Drop ogryn damage and get superiority complex

Instead

Pretty sure you can't get close to 1tapping dreg gunners without it

And it's only 5% lower damage on ogryns

Unless you really value that boss dmg

[vapid nacelle]

sometimes I wanna drop weapon specialist lmao

this class has to be so point hungry

[bitter turtle]

Bistol has too much synergy with WS, I think

Which is unfortunate but yeah

And point hunger is why I don't take crates on most builds yea

Honestly

Not having agile engagement on knife /bistol is really feelsbad

Since it's trivial to maintain the way that build would play

[vapid nacelle]

which one is agile engagement I don't know them all by name

[bitter turtle]

25% dmg boost to your melee when you get a range kill

25% dmg boost to range when you get a melee kill

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

I want that node but it costs so much to get there

[bitter turtle]

Thats why I path on right side

[vapid nacelle]

but then no survivalist :(

[hollow ibex]

you don't really need surv with bistol (so long as you hit breakpoints)

assuming non-havoc ofc

[bitter turtle]

I think agile is unironically stronger than surv in auric

The real loss is shredders for smokes but

It's good to learn how to use smokes anyway

They're quite good

You could try this

[vapid nacelle]

well this I absolutely won't do

[bitter turtle]

But no crates so idk if you would want to

[vapid nacelle]

I am not going without frags

[eternal verge]

I wanna keep playing veteran but the only gun I like is the revolver but it just feels like too many enemies too little bullets

[vapid nacelle]

frags are half the reason I enjoy the class

[eternal verge]

I don’t have the diamantine for a good melee lol

[bitter turtle]

Fair enough

[pastel yew]

resources are shared

play another class you enjoy till you got the mats for weapons

[hollow ibex]

just have someone carry you through havoc 40

[old quail]

i remember when they weren't

good times

[pastel yew]

bad times

[old quail]

people need to suffer

[pastel yew]

verry annoying time ;-;

[eternal verge]

I don’t like playing private game with randoms tbh

[bitter turtle]

Suffering builds character

[eternal verge]

shit gets toxic

[pastel yew]

levelling new classes is painful enough as is

everything below auric is boring

[eternal verge]

yeah

and you get matchmade with the worst people ever

[hollow ibex]

part of the fun

[eternal verge]

who r somehow failing the easiest tasks

[pastel yew]

tbf thats because everyone playing non auric is either sub30 or

not that good

so you can't expect them to really hold their own

[vapid nacelle]

time to drop iron will

surely nothing will go horribly wrong

[pastel yew]

surely

I mean to be fair

iron will is good

but I wouldnt say its absolutely mandatory

[sterile phoenix]

Current build I am running on veteran. I am close to getting max level on that accatran (one more mission run). Is my build decent?

[pastel yew]

plenty of other ways to make up for worse defence

[bitter turtle]

Just dont get hit

[vapid nacelle]

I have maniac on my bolt pistol and I genuinely do not remember why

[pastel yew]

fact

[bitter turtle]

Yes it's pretty standard

Except

Drop exploit weakness

It's garbo

25 toughness instead

[bitter turtle]

Maniac and elite/unarmored

Is how you perk a bistol

Iirc it's flamers

And dreg ragers?

I think

[sterile phoenix]

10-4. thanks

[bitter turtle]

Oh wait

Dueling sword

[vapid nacelle]

yeah it seems to be

[bitter turtle]

Switch one blessing to uncanny

Personally I like agile uncanny but I have had someone claim agile is bad

I don't agree but

[pastel yew]

I've seen people claim uncanny is bad too so

take whats fun

[bitter turtle]

It's not necessary on zealot

Because of duelist

Which is the only time I could see dropping it

But i still run uncanny just because idk

[sterile phoenix]

Also noted. Are the marks good? I can't quite tell the difference between the dueling ones except for the one that doesn't have cleave

[vapid nacelle]

trying it, seems to be for two shot body shot + bleed on ragers

head shot has no change

[bitter turtle]

Mk 4 is the meme one that people say is OP

[bitter turtle]

Even on crit?

I can crit 1tap dreg rager

Idk if maniac is needed but I assume so

[bitter turtle]

I should mention recon marks as well actually

[vapid nacelle]

I think I'm able to crit onetap but I can't get the crit to happen lol

not running surgical on this one

[bitter turtle]

12 is fastest fire rate but worst ammo efficiency
6 is highest ammo efficiency
14 has cleave and can shoot through lesser enemies to hit 2 targets

[bitter turtle]

I don't surgical on bistol either

WS

For guaranteed crit

Surg bistol is just bad revolver imo lol

[vapid nacelle]

okay yeah it is a crit one shot

[sterile phoenix]

What tends to be taken? Or is it all preference

[bitter turtle]

Imo

Havoc = 6
Auric and below = 14

In havoc 14 can no longer pierce due to enemy hitmass

12 is very popular

Because it's fun seeing the torrent of lasers

And it's on paper dps is slightly higher (it's less than a 10% difference)

But I personally think it's mostly a meme

[hollow ibex]

the slow draw and slowdown while firing the 12 is pretty annoying

but honestly all the marks are good

[bitter turtle]

Yea it's not a huge difference either way tbh so just try and see which you like

People like 12 for the onslaught build to make the gun kill crushers as well, but it's a waste of points to do that

Especially since you're using ds4

[vapid nacelle]

I use 12 for this eldritch horror

[bitter turtle]

Ah yes

The "look at how fast i kill crushers" build

I like how you take opening Salvo instead of iron will

That takes guts

[bitter turtle]

But you forgot deadshot

[vapid nacelle]

for the memes

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo is ok for recon
But taking both talents in that row is just meme

[unreal nova]

Isn't that 2 revolver crit shots?

[bitter turtle]

It's ok but I would still take kill zone personally

[vapid nacelle]

the purpose for this is purely for max hypothetical damage and nothing else lol

[bitter turtle]

Where's your deadshot then

You coward

Who needs stamina

[vapid nacelle]

D:

[bitter turtle]

Just run 3 stamina curios

[vapid nacelle]

eyeing shocktrooper that's gotta go too

who needs ammo

[pastel yew]

realest shit you've ever said

[bitter turtle]

Nah shocktrooper let's you shoot longer without reload

It's indirectly contributing to damage

[vapid nacelle]

10.6k dps without a red stimm

[bitter turtle]

[viscid cedar]

I just got the on overwatch achievement :D

My heart was beating so fast the entire time cuz I had to stay locked in

[bitter turtle]

Congrats

[viscid cedar]

Thank you :)

[terse idol]

[viscid cedar]

By doing this I also got the untouchable penance

[covert moat]

honest to the emperor, how do i improve this? i know get rid of glory hunter, but should i replace it with blaze away or something else?

also im unsure if maniacs is good choice for this

been away for a while and i want to get back into auric

[rain badger]

Glory hunter is bad in all forms of the blessing availible across all weapons and classes that can get it. Gets hot and blaze away are good. I personally run crit chance and carapace. Thermal res can go as low as 70 and charge rage should be higher.

[covert moat]

charge rate higher?

[rain badger]

yes, it affects your left clicks as well

[covert moat]

i thought that only influenced the ADS, good to know

[rain badger]

unless i am wrong, go to breakdown and hover over charge rate, it should say primary and secondary

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[rain badger]

What he said

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1317560380540715099/Desktop_2024.12.13_-_15.07.28.01.mp4?ex=675f2139&is=675dcfb9&hm=ef15ae5d16b1a90f5cd545af644bcd188b64729705cfd040e6c1c1646d17058b&

[rain badger]

hip fire = left click
charge = braced

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter is ok for plasma gun

[pastel yew]

honestly I wouldnt drop glory hunter from the plasma at all

mega toughness given how fast you're killing it basically lets you ignore the game and fill your role

[rain badger]

im a left click spam enjoyer, so I like blaze away lmao

[tall torrent]

Then it’s blaze away + optimized cooling

[rain badger]

[pastel yew]

glory hunter is like 50 ish toughness per elite kill

[covert moat]

thank you

[pastel yew]

I could have sworn it was 30% not 25% though

ah its 30% on the bolt pistol

[covert moat]

thank you guys for the help.

im running ACDR Sprint eff, Stam regen, and block eff for my curios with dueling sword having uncany and respiot (however you spell it)

[storm quest]

What's up guys, new to Veteran. Does he have any melee weapons that trivialise Ragers? I can bully them on Ogryn(stagger lock them) and Psyker(force weapon push knocks them down), but I'm struggling on Veteran.

I tried Shovel and Power Sword so far but they're way riskier. Power Sword you need that space to activate it and the MK7 Shovel mode switch can be interrupted by them quite a lot trading with you, it cancels the second damage tick when you pull it out of their head. Does he have anything like Ogryn/Psyker to bully them?

Would really appreciate some recommendations!

[pastel yew]

dueling sword, rashad combat axe, chainaxe, power sword, list goes on

some easier than others for sure

[fiery raft]

you can cancel mk6 powersword activation with block

[pastel yew]

also yeah mk6 cancel helps a lot

the power sword isnt exactly super safe rager clear but it will deal with packs of them easily

[storm quest]

I have been doing that but taking any hit even with full toughness it deactivates

[fiery raft]

aim for the head

[pastel yew]

can always dodge back while activating, as long as they're not in their combo you should be gucci

[tall torrent]

This one was recorded before Dreg rager attack speed nerf in grim protocol update
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[storm quest]

Yeah it is good don't get me wrong I was just looking for ez mode haha, I heard the mk1 shovel can stagger them a lot

With the little stab

[fiery raft]

what's that hud mod?

[pastel yew]

if you're looking for easy mode then like path just showed rashad for sure

[fiery raft]

looks sweet

[pastel yew]

rashad is the ultimate easy mode does it all weapon

[tall torrent]

Which one

[pastel yew]

cant go wrong

[tall torrent]

The dodge bar?

[pastel yew]

just needs melee investment

[fiery raft]

yes

[tall torrent]

ShowRemainingDodges

[storm quest]

What's that there push attack heavy spam in the vid?

[tall torrent]

Push attack into Light1

[storm quest]

I haven't tried the axes yet thanks

[tall torrent]

Repeat

[storm quest]

Push attack light got it

[pastel yew]

doesnt numeric ui already have a dodge counter built in?

[storm quest]

Cheers man

[bitter turtle]

Easiest ez mode is dclaw for rager

[tall torrent]

Number doesn’t look as good as a stamina style bar to me

[bitter turtle]

Not that i really like dclaws

But yea

[tall torrent]

And the bar can be customized in color

[pastel yew]

thats fair

[tall torrent]

Default is yellow / red

[terse idol]

You just need to make sure you build the rashad properr

[tall torrent]

I use turquoise / orange

[pastel yew]

the dclaw fucks up ragers

I tend to dislike really overt hud elements more often than not so the smaller a profile they take up the better

[terse idol]

Mainly all damage max, Brutal momentum, and head taker
Unarmoured and Cara or flak iirc

[storm quest]

Oh yeah d claw is very good I forgot about that

[pastel yew]

its a shame the devil claw is kinda mid outside of that though

[bitter turtle]

If dclaw didn't have such god damn terrible flak dmg

[tall torrent]

Carapace + elite/unarmored

[bitter turtle]

Id like em more

[rain badger]

ok, TIL that blessing exists.I havent used plasma much since lock and loaded. Testing it with blaze away, it seems to not do anything? It doesn't feel any faster IMO

[tall torrent]

Optimized cooling is not faster charge speed

(Yes the tooltip is wrong)

[rain badger]

jesus christ

I noticed that when spamming it builds up points like blaze away

[pastel yew]

any weapon that does 0 damage to carapace is an instant bin tier for me usually

melee weapon

not as bad on zealot

[tall torrent]

This is what optimized cooling actually does

[pastel yew]

since you have more freedom in kit

but vet absolutely never would I run a melee that can only rely on parry to deal with crushers

[storm quest]

His class specific weapons feel more skilful than what I used on Psyker/Ogryn like with the force swords you can just keep them on the floor. Power sword is sick though it cuts through everything like butter when I'm in that flow state but if I'm just sightly off it's just getting deactivated all the time

[pastel yew]

it getting deactivated is a bug so it might change

[storm quest]

Oh is it?

[pastel yew]

personally I'd say its fine as is to balance it though

yeah

[tall torrent]

Not a bug

[pastel yew]

its not?

[tall torrent]

It’s working as intended rn

The bug got patched already

[pastel yew]

I swear I've seen it confirmed that it shutting off is a bug

[fiery raft]

im losing it

[pastel yew]

same with the psyker force sword losing all charge when hit

[fiery raft]

trying to play aurics with randoms and i've had bad game after bad game

[tall torrent]

If u get hit, you lose the charge (this is intended)

[storm quest]

I thought it was intentional like the force swords as well?

[tall torrent]

Yes, that one is also intended

[pastel yew]

wow thats

[tall torrent]

You get combo reset when u get hit

[pastel yew]

dogshit

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s good

Punishes you for making dumb plays

[pastel yew]

idk I feel like If I've just been carving through enemies gaining charge meter to fire my projectile

I press button and get tickled losing all charge

that sucks

[bitter turtle]

The projectile is pretty mid anyway

[pastel yew]

I can get dropping the activation

[bitter turtle]

For fgs

[pastel yew]

but losing all meter is just not a fun mechanic

[tall torrent]

It’s as simple as making some space then using the projectile

Psyker players somehow cannot comprehend that

[pastel yew]

rule of cool baby

[bitter turtle]

I haven't had it interrupted yet ye

[pastel yew]

it looks sick

[bitter turtle]

Just back off a bit

[storm quest]

I got on really well with the force GS tbf they're very good of at least feel it

Or*

[rain badger]

so my testing is correct, I get 1 more charged shot before 100% heat? 4 vs 3?

[storm quest]

Idk if it's meta but it clicked with me from playing VT2 a lot it feels like exe

[tall torrent]

You get 3 more (11) if you have the perfect roll

I’m not sure if it changes if u have like 80% thermal resist

I tested with mine which was a perfect distribution

[pastel yew]

the plasma gun needed it

it was so weak before

[storm quest]

Is that Rashad axe in the vid tac or combat btw sorry I should asked sooner

[tall torrent]

In blaze away’s context, that’s 3 extra shots with full blaze away stacks

Which is a lot more damage

[pastel yew]

combat axe

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk3 combat axe

[storm quest]

Ty

[tall torrent]

Tac axes are actually kinda better at killing ragers

[rain badger]

sorry, was talking braced shots, a shot was generating 12 heat (not inlcuding charge heat)

[tall torrent]

They don’t have to waste 2 PAs just for stagger

[storm quest]

I honestly haven't tried any axes yet

[tall torrent]

Brace is the charged shot

Aren’t u left clicking (hipfire)?

[rain badger]

oh my god this is confusing

[tall torrent]

Left click = hipfire
Right click = brace

[rain badger]

right click charging nets me 1 additonal shot with optimized cooling

[tall torrent]

Base brace firing has 3 shots then vent

With optimized cooling I think u can squeeze 1 more but that’s not the point

The point is that u can left click spam 3 more shots (11) instead of 8

Those 3 extra shots have max blaze away stacks of +40% strength

[rain badger]

Stat spread, I just changed my blessings

[tall torrent]

If u want a magdump plasma, this is the magdump plasma

I think if u want blaze away u should just take optimized cooling

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[rain badger]

Sounds good, I just dont use plasma as much as I used to

[tall torrent]

Otherwise go smth like gets hot + rising heat / gloryhunter

[rain badger]

on that Recon Las train right now

still need to check out double barrel and revolver

Ive been playing the last 85 levels on a new psyker, and i wish plasma was like a void strike staff, now THATS how plasma should be

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

Psyker op

I’m 2 parts away from finishing blessing sections

[rain badger]

Psyker just has more fun ranged stuff compared to vet, and I am level 434 on vet lmao

imagine a plasma with a blessing that shot 2 shots on crit

or a perk tree node that increases your cleave....

[pastel yew]

voidstike definitely more fun than the plasma because of the lead time and visual but

I dont really think its a better weapon

hella fun though

[rain badger]

voidstrike + double shot on crit + cleave node lets you pierce an entire line of ragers until the end of the known universe

[pastel yew]

doesnt the plasma gun literally do that exact same thing with proper breakpoints

• no crit reliance

I think the only major benefit I felt over the plasma gun was that I could shoot crushers without feeling bad

[rain badger]

If it does, it doesnt feel like it

[pastel yew]

boss damage is also hot garbage on the voidstrike for whatever reason

[tall torrent]

Voidstrike with max warp splitting is still less cleave than plasma

[rain badger]

from using staffs the last 30hrs, I wish plasma cooldown was as smooth as peril quelling

[pastel yew]

its cooler no?

or

faster

[rain badger]

TIL

[pastel yew]

one tap of plasma cooldown is two uncharged shots

[terse idol]

Yipee

[rain badger]

would be cool if vets got more cooldown based weapons, and then a tree based on cooldown weapons

[pastel yew]

also side note I cant believe that

[rain badger]

more variety pls

[pastel yew]

cancer psyker quell cancel macro

is still not removed from the game

[rain badger]

I know of it, just never used it

[pastel yew]

thank god its not commonly used but this is very much open cheating

[tall torrent]

Voidstrike has a lot worse breakpoints

[rain badger]

I may or may not use a mod that doesnt let me kill myself from perils of the warp lmao

[pastel yew]

voidstrike hard forces you to take dd for proper breakpoints

but dd is goated with the voidstrike so

cant complain

[pastel yew]

pff, blow yourself up coward

do it

[rain badger]

100% peril? lmao, cant use anything that generates peril

[pastel yew]

idk the quell macro is just stupid though

the firerate is so far beyond what any human could reproduce

[bitter turtle]

what mod is that

[rain badger]

ive seen it in game, never used tho

[bitter turtle]

my friend might want this

cus

[rain badger]

It has been delisted sadly

[bitter turtle]

they say scriers keeps bugging out and they pop themselves when its active

[pastel yew]

just get them to change his name to Ed Sploder

then them detonating becomes a funny joke

[rain badger]

if youre on the darktide modding server, you can find it there

[bitter turtle]

they are a she

and i am

whats it called

[pastel yew]

damn the joke doesnt work for fem chars

I guess you could be female ed...

its current year

[bitter turtle]

i dont think she wants to be male, irl or otherwise

[pastel yew]

same

lifes fucky

also all the fem characters have better voice lines

[proper jasper]

would i rather have shred for crit chance or savage for cleave on my chainsword?

[umbral scaffold]

I really

Really

Don't like the blight modifier on Havoc

[pastel yew]

always want shred

shred + x depending on the weapon apparently

[midnight totem]

Wrath and bloodletter aw yeah

Let the galaxy bleed

[vapid nacelle]

Keystones are overrated

[winged horizon]

Where did you get this image?

[pastel yew]

check the pinned messages

first link

goes over all the vet stuff

about as accurate a general guide as you could hope to get

[pastel yew]

why>?

I kinda dig it

weird splattoon goop

[winged horizon]

Thanks. Forgot to check the pinned messages lol

[umbral scaffold]

I got it on the Gloriana mission

It's ridiculous on the tight Catwalk space before you take the train

[midnight totem]

Green stuff ebrrywhere

[umbral scaffold]

I got that+lights out

[pastel yew]

I love when one of them blows up and suddenly

there's now this glowing wave

it spirals p quick

[hollow ibex]

tbf anything in gloriana can be come rapidly aids

it's like the entire mission is designed to be as annoying as fucking possible

especially since bots pubbies can't play it well

[umbral scaffold]

Another one that was difficult, was the one where you break up walls

I just don't get what the fuck my mates are doing

[hollow ibex]

carnival? 🤔

[umbral scaffold]

I take out big groups with my grenades

And i snipe gunners etc.

But we still get overrun

I am wondering if i am not doing enough or if my teammates aren't doing their job

Cause i am pretty sure that i do my job when i 2 shot Ogryns and gunners etc. I don't think Plasma gun DS is meant to clear hordes

[dense willow]

veteran is a REALLY easy class, ngl

[dense willow]

You need to ONESHOT ogryns

not two shot

that's your mistake

[umbral scaffold]

1-2 shots max

That's how it goes with me most of the time

But it's enough

[dense willow]

just get better teammates bro

[umbral scaffold]

That too

I need like a Chorus Zealot that covers when you're rezing

You know how i often i played Chorus Zealot standing on top of a mate and the other guy runs off instead of resing?

[unreal nova]

Feels like forced to take shout rez in pubs tbh.

[pastel yew]

true, though so are all the other classes

the hard parts of the game arent linked to classes particularly

[pastel yew]

I'd say sometimes ES is a better hard carry for bad players

bad players cant always make use of that extra tankiness effectively

but bad players can always make use of the proactive space you make with es

[unreal nova]

Eh, I'm not that good to make use of it well tbh. Also running revolver with random melee to lvl up melee weapons build.

[crimson wyvern]

veterans talent tree is just crazy good, coming from someone thats just maxed out pennances on zealot and oggy

its insane how you're supposed to be this weak sharpshooter that needs to keep their distance but you have crazy good melee node options and also just oh shit buttons generated for you every 60 seconds

[hollow ibex]

vet isn't supposed to be a weak sharpshooter, hasn't been since post talent tree rework

[broken spade]

vet wasn't one pre tree either

[hollow ibex]

i wasn't there pre-tree

[broken spade]

being a sharpshooter was a lie and the whole gimmick was actually just being an immobile stat stick

everyone kept calling it a ranged class but that was bullshit

[fading yarrow]

This game, man

[broken spade]

vet had higher innate crit, higher innate toughness, higher percentage of toughness gained on melee kill, but worse dodge stats and sprint stats

and we had the best melee weapon in the game with the only downside being mobility

the identity in reality was just immobile juggernaut

[hallow drift]

To be fair, he is a guardsman (gun guy) who's original ability made shooting better, with talents that made you invisible if you roleplayed a turret gun

[broken spade]

all of vet's hidden stats was just "be good at everything except moving"

[gleaming turtle]

Dump stat on knoife?

[hallow drift]

Lot of people didn't look far beyond that, which is fartshart's fault more than theirs (I'll give them that)

[broken spade]

yeah to be fair, those stats were actually hidden

[hallow drift]

I feel bad that a lot of veterans are allergic to melee

[broken spade]

not that many people knew vets got 7.5% toughness off melee kill back then

[fading yarrow]

Mobility

[hallow drift]

My best mate who I love to play with is like that and I dont have the heart to break the habit, so he either suffers or will learn in time

[broken spade]

kinda crazy they had that in addition to also having double everyone's base toughness

[hallow drift]

In reality he just plays SM2 instead

https://tenor.com/view/punches-ground-rotoscope-gif-25496761

[rain badger]

Warp god

[hallow drift]

Tried to bait him back in with the relic blade

I know he enjoys zealot since ogryn is in a rough spot

No dice because no vet weapon

[gleaming turtle]

Dump on PS is still Mobility, right?

[fading yarrow]

Yes

[gleaming turtle]

And Helbore?

[fading yarrow]

Stability

[gleaming turtle]

kk

[fading yarrow]

There are probably better setups but this one has treated me well

I also two-shot a Reaper with the bayonet on Damnation

I have no idea how I did it and I haven't been able to replicate it

[dense willow]

yeah, game's fault right there

[gleaming turtle]

Does the Plasma Gun still do that weird thing with charge rate or whatever?

[dense willow]

what weird thing

[gleaming turtle]

Depending on your CR roll, it would vary how much actual damage you did by a lot.

[dense willow]

never heard of it

[gleaming turtle]

There used be a big old graph showing the correct rolls to hit the right breakpoints.

This was a thing from last year.

[dense willow]

nah

shreds

annihalates

[gleaming turtle]

I am asking what the dump stat s.

[dense willow]

charge rate

[gleaming turtle]

I am aware it's very powerful, but I don't want to make a mistake.

Because CR used to be extremely important.

[dense willow]

not anymore

worthless

you only ever need to left click

[gleaming turtle]

Alright

[weak parcel]

breakpoints are bait my guy

[pastel yew]

11i wouldnt say thats what vet is meant to be

they're like the jack of all trades class

they shouldnt really excel beyond other classes

they're not as aggressive as the zealot or as dps heavy as the psyker (except they totally either are or almost are)

things are just a little overtuned, but thats the game generally

[gleaming turtle]

It used to be that with the right rolls on a Plasma, they had to be very specific, you could 2 shot a Crusher, anything else was three.

[tall torrent]

Vet has not been the “ranged class” for over a year now

[gleaming turtle]

So, it was not bait, lol.

[pastel yew]

not since the class updates pretty much

or

well a little later probably, when weapon specialist was added

I'm still in shock gunpsyker got buffed

it was already nuts

[broken spade]

vet had high melee stats since launch anyways

[unreal nova]

They become ammo gremlins though.

[broken spade]

anyone remember 7 power sword swings?

we were never pure ranged

[tall torrent]

No
But there is a specific perfect stat distribution

[gleaming turtle]

And that is?

[pastel yew]

think it depends on the weapon being used and the set up

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1317560380540715099/Desktop_2024.12.13_-_15.07.28.01.mp4?ex=675f2139&is=675dcfb9&hm=ef15ae5d16b1a90f5cd545af644bcd188b64729705cfd040e6c1c1646d17058b&

[pastel yew]

I played a lot of columnus which was the most ammo heavy in usage but even that I didnt find bat

bad

though I only really used it for dealing with elites

or specialists

[unreal nova]

Had one in a two survivalist vet party, had to hog ammo to keep rolling lul. 3 recon lasgun game much.

[pastel yew]

automatic weapons in anyones hand get ammo heavy when used improperly though ig

a lot of people dont pace themself

or be a bit more reserved

theres always gonna be a full ammo box on the map somewhere but people are allergic to their ammo count being orange so they freak and scoop up more ammo than they need

[unreal nova]

I mean, I know the feel. Good thing tins are enough for vets doing that though.

[broken spade]

the fact that they can nerf ammo pickups by 75% in havoc shows us how stupid the ammo economy currently is outside of it

There is such an insane amount of ammo on maps that they had to go hard on the havoc debuffs

[unreal nova]

I dunno, never really did havoc. By the time I bothered, I can't find any sub 10 ones and I don't think I can really do the higher ones anyway.

[broken spade]

Running out of ammo becomes a lot more of an issue in high havoc, but people still manage

[pastel yew]

way way too much

[broken spade]

even a crate only gives 25%

[tall torrent]

There’re still people that think survivalist is always mandatory lol

[pastel yew]

75% might be a bit too intense of a nerf given what i've been told about havoc meta ye

but less ammo would be good

it'd give more ammo efficient weapons a better opportunity to shine but

[unreal nova]

Well, it can feel that way with an ammo gremlin.

[pastel yew]

even some of those do the exact same damage output as less efficient weapons so maybe the system as a whole is just a mess

old survivalist used to be so good

[tall torrent]

The reality is that most people who take absurd amounts of ammo don’t know how to loot properly so they can only pick from what they see

[broken spade]

Kinda, and it's also worse because it takes more ammo to kill things
But it's high havoc and it's meant for insane people. People can manage it

[stuck gorge]

generally just dont shoot anything thats green

[unreal nova]

But the funny green glowing skull thingies.

[broken spade]

I either get terrible vets or amazing vets in havoc
The good vets all have something in common:
They all have good melee damage dealt

[stuck gorge]

you're on havoc chances are you dont need resources

[broken spade]

like the good havoc vets i get are doing some ballpark of 500k-600k in melee and 300-500k in ranged

sunder power sword going hard i guess

the shit vets will literally never melee

[unreal nova]

I'm not. I only got to 2 since nobody wants to do lower and anything higher is a straight rejection.

[stuck gorge]

do a auric maelstrom

you'll go to 16 immediately

[unreal nova]

I'll be honest and say I can only do Auric Heresy, maybe.

[broken spade]

Yeah don't worry about it if you're new then

havoc is more of an endgame tryhard challenge

[tall torrent]

Havoc is for people that want to experience PTSD when seeing 6 shotgunners come around a corner

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[unreal nova]

But cosmetics lul.

[broken spade]

havoc is for people that want to experience ptsd when seeing 1 shooter around a corner

[tall torrent]

A single reaper in havoc is genuinely

[stuck gorge]

havoc is for people who want to experience ptsd when not seeing the 1 shooter

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[unreal nova]

Already get that from gunners deleting an ogryn from full in 2 secs.

[queen fox]

Need a melee that reliably staggers reapers in havoc

Even buffed reapers

[tall torrent]

Would u like to know about

[unreal nova]

Only reason I wasn't dead was straight agile DS Zealot.

[queen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-sus-dwayne-the-cow-johnson-cow-cow-eyebrow-cow-suspicious-gif-27165701

[unreal nova]

So inf dodges.

[broken spade]

i played a mostly melee psyker up to 40
pretty exciting, don't do it

you will die instantly

[unreal nova]

I mean, that already happens on damnation at times.

[queen fox]

So it actually reliably staggers buffed reapers?

[unreal nova]

Because funny +9 Stam.

[tall torrent]

Wdym buffed reapers

Pus hardened?

[queen fox]

I'm pretty sure the blight skin modifier in havoc increases stagger resistance

[tall torrent]

No

[queen fox]

It def feels like it

[tall torrent]

Enemies have generally increased stagger reduction

[queen fox]

Wdym

[tall torrent]

It’s not tied to a specific modifier

Blight and pus harden don’t interact with enemies’ stagger reduction

[unreal nova]

Is just a havoc thing.

[tall torrent]

Enemies have generally increased stagger reduction in havoc

[queen fox]

Ok

And combat axe reliably staggers reapers out of shooting

[broken spade]

i wish i could put havoc modifiers in psykanium so i could test the stagger breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Yea

The increases stagger reduction is not for all enemies tho

[unreal nova]

You are more likely to get an update to that mod that does it instead, knowing FS.

[broken spade]

I think this is the stagger changes but idk how this shit works

I guess none of the specials change for stagger

[tall torrent]

Light, medium and heavy are stagger thresholds

U need to have enough remaining stagger (after stagger reduction) to exceed the stagger threshold of enemies to be able to successfully stagger

[vital wren]

Speaking of melee, have the gunner changes made the maelstroms with mostly melee enemies easier than some non-maelstroms now? 😄

[tall torrent]

No?

[broken spade]

What's sticky, explosion, light ranged and killshot?

[tall torrent]

No clue

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[weak parcel]

no, breakpoints are, in fact, a bait

you have a thing called team

[broken spade]

i haven't bothered with breakpoints in havoc

everything is so tanky

killing shit is a team effort

[mystic jasper]

On Havoc 31+:
PowerCycler + Sunder on powersword
or
Powercycler + Brutal Momentum

it's gotta be sunder right?

[fading yarrow]

I hate the fact that ALL disconnects result in deaths

Get desynced from the spaghetti servers while saving an incompetent Psyker from Ragers? Too bad

[mystic jasper]

would this work with plasma/powersword?

[bitter turtle]

yes

psword functions regardless of talents

[rain badger]

Dueling Sword IV

[weak parcel]

exactly. Break points are great if you're soloing, I guess, anywhere else you're gonna have a flame psyker doing the last 100 damage while you're killing the thing, easily.

[weak parcel]

just take brutal

[dense willow]

sunder is ass, you're not cleaving that much to have it make much of a difference

[weak parcel]

you shouldn't be the main crusher DPS anyways (with PS, maybe ur plasma gun lol)

[mystic jasper]

dont need it if u take plasma

power sword horde clear is great

[scenic ginkgo]

Power Sword + Plasma Gun very nice for Havoc

I'd argue better than DS for generalist setup

[junior haven]

luv me psword and working on building a perf plasma gun rn for havoc as a matter of fact.

ha.

[cyan verge]

fatshark seems like they have a very high opinion of themselves and their game somehow

like they think for some reason that like... I dunno... anyone cares

like they're somehow some important thing

like ooh esports darktide ooh competitive level hardcore kaizo darktide, now you're a profreshional gamer now baby

[junior haven]

I'd say we're all tired of people leaving auric maels when they down.

[weak parcel]

you should always have a psyker, because without bubble.. good luck lol
And with a psyker, power sword becomes a lot worse than DS

[viral nacelle]

They don’t tho. I disconnected like six times in a game this morning and always came back with the hp I had

Some stuff missing

[bitter turtle]

They allow gameplay altering mods on the basis that the game is casual so I don't think that's the case

[viral nacelle]

Like ai dropped the med bag and ditched the stim

[scenic ginkgo]

Could you elaborate on why you think that? I don't see how bubble increases DS stock so much

[bitter turtle]

People complained about ASS cheesing encouraging people to quit since the penance dropped

[weak parcel]

because of flame staff

flame and frags should be enough for hordes

[bitter turtle]

Your melee only needs to kill elites because purg staff + flamer kills hordes

[weak parcel]

you can use DS for cleanup but it becomes better to have DS to pokepoke the eyes

I don't think flamer is viable in havoc

too little ammo

[bitter turtle]

It is very viable

[fiery ledge]

Make every shot pennance will be the death of me i cannot get it to work no matter what i do

[weak parcel]

not in real havoc, havoc 20 or whatever everything is viable

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[scenic ginkgo]

Yeah I've seen Zealots try to take flamer but they seem to run out pretty quick

[bitter turtle]

Almost every zealot I played with use it on 40

[weak parcel]

you should be giving your plasma vet all the ammo

[bitter turtle]

You just don't use it on normal horde

Only on the elite ambushes

[scenic ginkgo]

Plasma vet is ammo hoover in optimal team

[weak parcel]

using it on elite hordes is an interesting concept

[bitter turtle]

It's like an extra oomph when inferno staff is not enough

[weak parcel]

but if you're doing that ur not doing pokepoke or knifeknife to get lower CD on relic

[bitter turtle]

So

When you get sandwiched by a lot of elite

[weak parcel]

idk I don't have any real arguments for why it would specifically not work

[bitter turtle]

Zealot pops relic

Vet throws 2 shredders which puts everything to near death

After relic is done then u flame to clean up everything that is probably low hp now

[weak parcel]

eh

Just poke

in the eyes

better use of resources imo

[bitter turtle]

That only works if you have room to kite

Not always the case

[weak parcel]

don't need room to kite

not with relics and poke poke

[bitter turtle]

W/e i don't really care to argue about this lol

Js most zealots I see in 40 are

Flamer/ds4

[weak parcel]

I'm not saying it wouldn't work

just better ways to use rss

imo

[bitter turtle]

Sure, go tell them that, I'm not a zealot player or like the class enough to bring it to 40 like the ppl I'm playing with

Js that's what I see

[junior haven]

this ok for a split?

[weak parcel]

wouldnt you just go 60 charge rate cuz of weapon specialist

[bitter turtle]

No

Plasma needs a specific spread

[weak parcel]

what's the ideal

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

Idk if that one can still be optimal

I don't play plasma

[junior haven]

according to HoE its 69 therm/71 charge/everything else 80.

which is an annoying stat spread.

[scenic ginkgo]

Plasma not having a dump stat is truly a pain

Still rolling for my optimal after like 30 attempts

[serene bough]

what exactly does a min/maxed plasma do

more shots?

[bitter turtle]

I think it let's you get maximum shots before vent

And charge rate as high as possible in relation to that to reduce the pre shot delay

Is my completely

Out of my ass guess

[junior haven]

imma go with that one. closest to "mid" I rolled outta 50ish tries tonight.

[serene bough]

rolling a perfect plasma is the true endgame experience

[bitter turtle]

I think you should not

Use that one

[iron marten]

Isn't thermal res like 68 + [hidden decimal here]% but we don't know, so 69% thermal res is the safe option lol

[bitter turtle]

Stopping 70 is probably bad

[junior haven]

we'll find out.

[bitter turtle]

Idk how strict plasma bps are but I think they are strict

[scenic ginkgo]

I like how you think

[junior haven]

I have 50 to pick from and a shit load of resources.

I can experiment. whatever.

[iron marten]

Yeah, below the thermal res bp you lose one shot before venting

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Quite strict but not as strict as Boltpistol

[tall torrent]

As high charge rate as u can get while still having max ammo, optimal breakpoints and 8 continuous shots from 0% heat

[mystic jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-done-well-emperor-gif-23240292

[cyan verge]

you might think so but I have had the impression from havoc and the way they designed it (patterned after WoW which is a junk game) and the whole "now we have made it so you can't leave the game. ever." like, I dunno, it's shitty for just a game I want to play in co-op mostly for fun

[tall torrent]

But I don’t personally run power sword for havoc

If u had to I’d recommend power cycler + sunder

Sunder makes the weapon a lot safer to play

[cyan verge]

I was running power sword in havoc briefly but keeping up with a team of DS4s can be difficult unless your primary is like a las pistol

just cuz you're sloooooowwww

[cyan verge]

wtf is going on in your inventory

why do you have four power swords

[wicked epoch]

i have 5 identical lasguns

[bitter turtle]

I think if they cared about competitive integrity things like spider sense would alr be gone

The leaving thing, well, ppl wanted it like this

[cyan verge]

you might think so BUT

that's a WoW thing also

[bitter turtle]

You saw ppl celebrating in patch notes lol

[cyan verge]

in WoW you can use whatever mods you want

at any level

[bitter turtle]

I'm aware

[cyan verge]

and you have to in order to keep up

[bitter turtle]

I also played xiv and ppl won't shut up about it

[cyan verge]

so I am sure they're fine with it

yeah

XIV is a different thing

cuz mods are specifically outlawed

[scenic ginkgo]

Tbh I think people only celebrated that because the cheese made ASS mean nothing, you can't really use it as a yard stick for a dependable teammate

[bitter turtle]

Not in any practical sense they are not

Ppl use automarkers and mechanic solving algorithms and stuff all the time

[cyan verge]

from what I have heard they can't police your computer by japanese law and don't want to, hence they don't even have a crappy anticheat to attempt to stop that stuff

[bitter turtle]

No they just don't rly care because stopping mods would kill more than just raiders

[cyan verge]

but anyway my point is darktide clearly follows the WoW pattern, they're never gonna do anything about spidey sense unless, I dunno, maybe they start randomly caring

[pastel yew]

idk I think spidey sense if fine, I dont use it and think the hud element is ugly af

but it means you can play the game with music on I suppose

or if you're hearing impaired

[tall torrent]

It’s not that “slow” because people don’t go through havoc fast unless it’s low rank

[pastel yew]

it really should just be a base feature

[tall torrent]

DS is taken because it takes literally zero investment into melee to be able to kill elites extremely well

[scenic ginkgo]

Yeah got a friend of mine who I recommended it too because poxbursters are pounding him because he's deaf

They should honestly integrate it for that

[pastel yew]

fatshark include accessability features in game?

challenge impossible

[bitter turtle]

It's fair enough for the hearing impaired

[pastel yew]

fucking rsi simulator

[cyan verge]

their accessibility features are really funny

what is it like, 'screen shake off' and 'peril aura effects off'

[bitter turtle]

But you can't pretend being told that specialist spawned 40m away and in what direction isn't an advantag

[cyan verge]

like yay

[bitter turtle]

Same with healthbars

[scenic ginkgo]

Like being Deaf in Darktide is the true hard mode

[cyan verge]

they are a MASSIVE advantage

[pastel yew]

I just dont think that advantage really matters to me

same with health bars

[tall torrent]

If that mod was limited to 10m, fair

[pastel yew]

I play with health bars when testing new builds, and turn it off when not

[pastel yew]

I dont really feel much difference in strength

[tall torrent]

But it’s up to 40m and that’s just pure cheese lmao

[bitter turtle]

i dont care either

i also use healthbars just cause

[pastel yew]

compare that to like quell macros

[bitter turtle]

but im just saying

[pastel yew]

or straight up cheating

[bitter turtle]

i dont think they rly care about competitive integrity

they havent pursued any esport like nonsense either

its just cause ppl really hated leavers

like REALLY hated leavers

[pastel yew]

darktide esports would be hillarious

the hating leavers drama was always so fucking stupid

[scenic ginkgo]

Tbh I don't think I've encountered anyone who like genuinely cheats in a meaningful way

[cyan verge]

there are situations for instance where like, target priority, right, if you don't have health bars then you might look at a group of crushers and just see 5 strong crushers, but if you have health bars you might see THREE out of 5, are on like 25% HP, so if you have the mod you kill them first, down to 2 crushers instantly, however if you don't have health bars, you might try killing the healthiest ones first, or at least, you have a random chance to hit the low hp crushers

[pastel yew]

why do you care if they've bounced from your game they're dead

[bitter turtle]

i can understand in some circumstances

i have had games

where the mission went out of rotation

so nobody new can join lol

so im stuck rest of the mission with just 1 other person

[pastel yew]

I tend not to leave but if I see its gonna take unironically 10 minutes to get to me

[bitter turtle]

feels kinda bad

[pastel yew]

I'm not gonna sit there

it is what it is

[cyan verge]

especially if they're really really really bad teammates

[pastel yew]

or if a team mate barrels me off a fucking ledge

[bitter turtle]

also keep in mind im pretty sure my attitude towards winning and losing in this game is much more chill

than the avg person

[tall torrent]

I kind of like party finder feature now actually

[bitter turtle]

since i have fun even if we lose

for ppl that really care about winning

i can imagine its rage inducing if the scenario i described happens

[cyan verge]

I would not be surprised if people complaining about leavers, are like, "everyone left the games I'm in because I'm an ogryn with 300 hours who still doesn't know how to pick up a teammate when they're downed!!!"

[bitter turtle]

cant backfill anymore, so the game is pretty much lost

unelss you can solo it with 3 bots

[pastel yew]

I dont mind the loss

[scenic ginkgo]

You have Ogryns that don't pick up?

I main Ogryn and I bust my stagger resistant ass to pick up my lil uns

[bitter turtle]

yea idc myself but im just saying

a lot of people do care

[pastel yew]

some teams are very frustrating ye

[pastel yew]

mat difference I guess

also losing aint fun ig

[cyan verge]

tbh I only care because all the penances have STREAK requirements

[bitter turtle]

i have two friends and both of them get so mad at bad teammates

so yea

[pastel yew]

the penance streak requirements should be removed

theres no point for them to exist

the rewards are worthless

[cyan verge]

if they removed the streak requirements for all these stupid penances I would not GIVE two FUCKS about the new like alt+F4 bs

[pastel yew]

I honestly assume anyone with ass cheesed it

because 90% chance they did

[bitter turtle]

thats why i used THE EXPLORATOR for my title

and now true survivor

[pastel yew]

I feel like those that got it legit, know its worthless and just dont use it

[bitter turtle]

so i can nose down at everyone without it

[pastel yew]

I dont even know what the explorator title is from

I'm a reject main

[bitter turtle]

50 clears on one of the maps

[cyan verge]

um

[pastel yew]

keep it simple

[bitter turtle]

forgot which one

[cyan verge]

it's from doing EVERYTHING on one map

and I can tell you which

chasm logistratum I thikn

[bitter turtle]

yea

[cyan verge]

or that area

[bitter turtle]

there you go

gotta get skulls, a certain number of idols, and 50 clears

[cyan verge]

ye

[tall torrent]

Just run poxbreaker / true survivor when u get them

[cyan verge]

those are decent titles

[scenic ginkgo]

I think I've only seen 1 person running Poxbreaker

[tall torrent]

Every other title not super relevant

[fiery raft]

im trying to improve and such but im not sure what to improve upon

[cyan verge]

are you sure you need to improve and your team isn't letting you down

[pastel yew]

is poxbreaker the one tied to total kills?

[cyan verge]

that happens

[tall torrent]

1M personal kills

[scenic ginkgo]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

mmh mmh

[fiery raft]

well im not sure if im doing something wrong or if its my team

[cyan verge]

to be fair that just means you have a lot of hours

[fiery raft]

and there has to b something im doing wrong

[bitter turtle]

havoc forged or true survivor

which one is cooler

[pastel yew]

probably both

[fiery raft]

since i barely manage to complete any

[tall torrent]

Do u have poxbreaker

[cyan verge]

... but I guess if you have, let's see. 3,000 hours or something in darktide, or more, you're probably OK at the game

[pastel yew]

I feel theres pretty much always room to grow

but auric pugs are dogshit

[bitter turtle]

nop

[pastel yew]

not all of them but most

[fiery raft]

it certainly feels like it

[scenic ginkgo]

True survivor, you can in theory, if your team is good enough, get carried to Havoc Forged

[fiery raft]

i had a run where i did second best on scoreboard and somebody had 42

[scenic ginkgo]

I don't think you can really get carried to true survivor

[fiery raft]

yet my psyker told me to go back to malice

[bitter turtle]

yes you can

[pastel yew]

eh ignore the toxicity

[bitter turtle]

what if someone logs onto your account

[tall torrent]

True survivor then imo

[pastel yew]

if you can jump to auric damnation

[bitter turtle]

and plays for you

[pastel yew]

its far far less toxic there

[bitter turtle]

!!!

[scenic ginkgo]

That's not a carry

[fiery raft]

i am mainly doing auric damn

[pastel yew]

because all the toxic people are entitled and cant improve so they hover in heresy

[scenic ginkgo]

Insane levels of cope in the chat

If someone really does that for a darktide title

More power to em

[bitter turtle]

ii think some people are selling havoc 40 clears

from what i read in

[pastel yew]

wtf

[bitter turtle]

zealot chat? psyker chat? someone mentioned seeing it lol

[fiery raft]

[scenic ginkgo]

Good lord

[proper jasper]

whats good spearhead boltgun blessing for boss dmg?

[scenic ginkgo]

Imagine buying a Havoc 40 clear and you're so bad that they fail

[pastel yew]

pinning fire and cavalcade?

I think

[broken spade]

lol wtf

[fiery raft]

i like puncutre

[pastel yew]

I cant remember

[manic echo]

what do you even get from clearing havoc 40

[scenic ginkgo]

Hit a barrel and you kill your sherpa

[tall torrent]

A title

[bitter turtle]

a title

[proper jasper]

bleed good for blotgun?

[bitter turtle]

the ability to join any game and run a troll build and then blame your teammates

[manic echo]

all that struggle for a title?

[tall torrent]

I think the only 2 titles that actually mean smth are poxbreaker and true survivor

[fiery raft]

it is pretty good

4 stacks is p crazy

but thats just me

[broken spade]

a sense of pride and accomplishment

[proper jasper]

ight ill see

[stuck gorge]

True

[scenic ginkgo]

Really only True Survivor

[proper jasper]

is max bleed stack 4?

[fiery raft]

no i think its around 16

[scenic ginkgo]

Poxbreaker just means you don't know what colour grass is

[broken spade]

what was poxbreaker again?

[tall torrent]

True survivor is basically 4 people with gold toughness spam lol

[stuck gorge]

If you’ve killed 1 million enemies I’ll assume you’re pretty decent

[proper jasper]

oh 4 shots to get the 16 stack tho right?

[steep grail]

every insane player ive seen uses the reject title lol

[scenic ginkgo]

1m kills

[bitter turtle]

after all you are a HAVOC 40 TRUE SURVIVOR and they are a little clearance 25 hardstuck scrub

[tall torrent]

1M personal kills

[broken spade]

ah

[bitter turtle]

what if i told you i got true survivor in a group with only 1 gold toughness ability

[fiery raft]

yes

[narrow frost]

I loving using reject title

[bitter turtle]

[tall torrent]

Still spammed gold toughness for sure, and it’s probably chorus

[narrow frost]

had someone try to kick me because of that

was funny

[steep grail]

its the best one

[scenic ginkgo]

Why would you lie so boldly

[bitter turtle]

its true though

[tall torrent]

It’s chorus

[bitter turtle]

oger zealot psyker vet

[pastel yew]

reject best title

[bitter turtle]

and im the vet

[sleek garden]

currently trying out the flip shovel

[bitter turtle]

and i play infiltrate

[scenic ginkgo]

Oh so bubble and book

[sleek garden]

what do we think of flip shovels

[scenic ginkgo]

And like

[bitter turtle]

yea but bubble is not gold toughness

[scenic ginkgo]

Really really good get out of jail free card

Infiltrate is goated man

[bitter turtle]

you dont need to tell me infil is good

i only play infil

yelling at people is rude

[sleek garden]

infiltrate hit and run braced autogun

[scenic ginkgo]

Unironically better than shout

[sleek garden]

pretty fun combo

[scenic ginkgo]

For the vet

[pastel yew]

honestly never understood the braced autoguns

they feel so dead

why not just use a regular autogun

[steep grail]

you don't

[scenic ginkgo]

You down to share build? I want to see if mine is similar

[bitter turtle]

yea sure

[steep grail]

ive been converted to the rashad

this thing does so much damage for like no effort

[pastel yew]

I think my only issues with infiltrat is it feels so spensive to take because of the sub nodes

and 45s cooldown really does make a lot of difference

given its spam impact is so much lesser than shout

[bitter turtle]

nothing is necessary except low profile

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/e6f692533d1c5e80883088724c75e915.png

[stuck gorge]

What’re the top 2 node again?

[tall torrent]

It’s hard to have either and be bad

[bitter turtle]

swap speed, o4b (5% toughness on every kill), 5% movespeed