#veteran-class

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tame lodge
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Iirc

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3 and 5 have stabby bayo

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4 has slashy bayo

manic lantern
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Copl

red laurel
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Debating whether to try and run a Shotgun build. Thoughts? Suggestions?

pseudo fiber
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Weapon spec double barrel is always fun

slim hamlet
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Is revolver too slow for vet? Thinking of gun enemies spreading too wide and being too far away so it would be a detriment to not have a guaranteed stagger like plasma, boltgun or fast firing weapon at range

pseudo fiber
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No not at all

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Again weapon spec is your friend with low mag weapn

red laurel
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Whoever told me the Flanged Power Maul is better is such a troll

static panther
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people use the maul?

tame lodge
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Low investment reliable melee weapon

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Lacks a bit versus bosses

swift river
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Do I really need Rending Strikes?

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Using Knife and Revolver

faint beacon
swift river
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This is the current build if I shift Rending Strikes to Always Prepared

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thorn lark
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I think that 25 tg node has more value than the talent you're taking...

sleek garden
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Iron will over elite frag regen is a tough choice

patent zephyr
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This double barrel is gonna make me heretical

sleek garden
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I always go for more frags

sleek garden
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light heavy light heavy vs the other one

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Which has... I don't think any

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You broke his nonexistent nose

swift river
swift river
ancient path
red laurel
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Any shotgun

ancient path
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i play both barrels + deathspitter double barrel and i love it

swift river
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Seriously though, there's lots of 25s in there and nothing is labeled as a talent, so you're gonna have to be more specific @thorn lark

ancient path
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the combat shotties have yet to wow me

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and the mod t o make the combat shottie into the quake shotgun still doesnt work

thorn lark
ancient path
thorn lark
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There's a +25tg boost just next to it

ancient path
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though im unsure how the heck reloads would work with that thing

thorn lark
swift river
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Oh you mean toughness!

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I had no idea what tg means

thorn lark
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Oh sorry

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Yes!

swift river
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You're right, I probably should...

sleek garden
thorn lark
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More grenades sometimes

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Vs not being instakilled

sleek garden
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if you're getting instakilled you need to be more aware or not get hit by overheads

swift river
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I'm honestly not convinced of the usefulness of Demolition Team

thorn lark
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I am pretty sure there's talents of less value in your build.

sleek garden
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Throwing 6 frags during an event is definitely helpful

thorn lark
swift river
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So far the regular grenades are doing me fine with the regen

sleek garden
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I said it's a tough choice

thorn lark
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Props to you for not playing with it at high lvl. Buy it's note the same value as a the other talent

swift river
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And I like having guaranteed reduced toughness damage over a 1 in 20 chance of getting a grenade

sleek garden
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1 in 20 stacks quite quickly in havoc

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Curse my phone

thorn lark
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Also I take both for havoc 30+

swift river
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As do the amount of instakill enemies

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I'd love both, but I have no idea what I'd sacrifice for that

thorn lark
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I can sacrifice a lot of nodes for those two

sleek garden
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I have a habit of standing pretty far in the back with a lasgun though

swift river
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Unless I took Krak grenades, but...

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I dunno

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The shredders are way more useful

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Always Prepared guarantees me a lethal shot is ready when I switch to the Revolver, no getting stuck having to reload, so that definitely stays

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I dunno, I'll let ya'll debate it, but so far this works for me 😄

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serene bough
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Its a decent build

tender pasture
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Played OG Shovel on the back of a round with the DS2

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The comparison was painful

serene bough
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Unless you need Always Prepared and Sup complex for a break point you could dump one of those

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Otherwise iron will vs demo team could be swapped depending on preference

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But id lean more towards demo bc grenade regen is just crazy at higher lvls

tender pasture
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Red nodes are pretty high value especially with how much you'll be shouting

thorn lark
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I would probably take for the emperor

uncut pebble
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I would also take for the emperor, and I'd be careful to see whether or not bring it down or superiority complex are actually necessary for your bps.

sleek garden
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There's like 3 weapons in this game that are tuned badly

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comparing anything to them is a waste of time

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if you compared them as what they are made to do you would see the strengths and weaknesses

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Shovel has much better crowd control and (overall) defense

warm bolt
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Doesnt shovel stagger on every hit as well or was my friend lying to me

sleek garden
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it has pretty heavy stagger as it is a shovel

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the duelling sword has very little

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with hammerblow you can knock a rager to the ground with a heavy if you hit him before he starts his combo/if you stagger him out of it with the special

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it's really funny whacking a crusher with a shovel and knocking him over

static panther
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can gaurdsmen use heavy stubbers

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in lore

swift river
tender pasture
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Any Vet build I make keeps turning into a melee Vet build and I'm trying to earnestly engage with a ranged focus

heavy rover
warm bolt
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There are exceptions of guardsmen even using autocannons like "Try Again" Brag from Gaunt's Ghosts but those are few and far between

sleek garden
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Uncanny is good for exactly one move on shovel

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Push overhead

spice wadi
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if you're from catachan you can one hand a boltgun

static panther
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I'll assume gaurdsmen from catachan use heavy bolters then

warm bolt
static panther
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without setting it up on a tripod

spice wadi
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the man himself

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static panther
warm bolt
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Yep

static panther
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heavy bolter for vet when???

sleek garden
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Models from Warhammer are always so goofy

warm bolt
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Lmao

spice wadi
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the man portable heavy bolter guy is a special character though

sleek garden
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I can see why all the people in Darktide have such sunken gaunt faces

static panther
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all of my gaurdsmen knowledge is from dawn of war

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so we need the ability to summon a team of mortar operators

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it'll be funny

warm bolt
sleek garden
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no

warm bolt
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Cant post pictures megachingryn

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He's literally wearing sunglasses

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And holds plasma pistol like a boss on navel-level

spice wadi
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2cool4school

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warm bolt
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Yep him lmao

static panther
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lmao this is good

warm bolt
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Aside from melta i really want the steel legion grenade launcher

static panther
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I used to have this pic from an ultramarine art

warm bolt
static panther
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official art mind you

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where there was an Ultramarine devastator with a heavy bolter AND a jump pack

warm bolt
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I mean there's a space marine who was shorter than his battle brothers so he just started bulking up

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To the point his chapter master politely asked him to stop because they got tired of making armour for him

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Imagine that dropping on a mission

swift river
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But I think they've been permanently retired?

warm bolt
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No dont think so, at least some of them stayed

spice wadi
warm bolt
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Other regiments totally got the axe though to my dismay

spice wadi
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warts and all

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warm bolt
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"You seeing this shit?"

swift river
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No more Iron Hand Straken...

warm bolt
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Wait what

static panther
warm bolt
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I could've sworn he was there

warm bolt
swift river
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Warhammer 40,000: LASGUN

warm bolt
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Lmao

static panther
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no we need another colab with world of tanks or ships

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because moneeee

warm bolt
static panther
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Yes

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actually a little less than the actual model

civic knot
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Chasm Logistratum Hi Int Auric. Who says you can't be a marksman with a DB shotgun?! whatthefuck_heresy

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static panther
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There were also predator and vindicator tanks for the mobile world of tanks

civic knot
static panther
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they had custom paint for different chapters

swift river
warm bolt
static panther
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maybe even a stealth game

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the possibilites are endless

swift river
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Metal Gear 40K

static panther
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God i wish James workshop would do something with thier IP

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Guys hear me out

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an Ork game

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but its lego

swift river
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Warhammer 40,000: Knight Fight
(It's a mech fighting game)

tall torrent
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The equation I use is from mrcraime

wanton dawn
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Looks at me. I am the maff now

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Basically the formula tells you that for any given shot, the chance to crit is = base crit + crit from previous shot (unless they were already part of a crit chain)

static panther
thorn lark
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That man is MaffCraime now.

wanton dawn
thorn lark
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All hail Big Brain!

tawny timber
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incredibly based

stable shoal
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Can someone help me make a build for the shredder auto pistol and shovel ?

grand perch
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got lvl 35 havoc and the insane at the same time KEKW_ogryn

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rain badger
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BROTHERS

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I HAVE GOTTEN AURIC MAELSTROM SURVIVOR FINALLY

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proper jasper
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does the double barrel do alot of dmg?

rain badger
rain badger
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I did 5 in a row with the modifier of hunting grounds, waves of mutants and waves of bursters.

regal smelt
wanton dawn
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what's the achievement for poxbreaker again ?

regal smelt
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1000000 kills

wanton dawn
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I think i unlocked it while i was unlocking all my waiting penance

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Twas the previous state of the 500 000 kills border anyway

regal smelt
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yeah I guess that's fatsharks way of listening to the complaints from that, I was 750k in before it changed and I was kinda miffed

tame lodge
proper jasper
dry cloak
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but hordes? yes

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with manstopper

hollow ibex
rain badger
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teal canyon
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What are plasmagun stats again. 69% what and what?

pseudo fiber
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69 Thermal resist
71 charge rate

pseudo horizon
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Best ranged weapon for a full-right Vet build? It’ll go alongside a combat knife of course

hollow ibex
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revolver

pseudo fiber
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Revolver

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Double barrel

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junior hawk
teal canyon
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How do i hit head with plasma tho?

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it seems like it have too big of a hitbox

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real iron
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crazy

tame lodge
orchid hemlock
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grand perch
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thats okay, we only get 1 update in that time anyway

teal canyon
tall torrent
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I wouldn't worry abt weakspot rate so much

mystic jasper
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Plasma/Powersword. Anything this build is missing?

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teal canyon
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you rarely would have time to charge 8 stacks of focus target

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and that damage buff after killing focus target is marginable

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longshot is also rarely do crap

mystic jasper
teal canyon
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(due to how long away you need to be)

tall torrent
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could get marksman + 5% crit chance/stamina regen boost

peak tree
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Had are the main suggestions for DS perks these days?

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Pre havoc.

mystic jasper
primal zealot
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You gotta be like a mile away to get that 20%

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mystic jasper
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ah didn't realise the range was that bad

tall torrent
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You can consult my guide, I explained how veteran talents actually function

mystic jasper
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Okay, what about focused fire?
Potentially 12% extra damage to the tagged (32% up from 20%), and 12% damage after death instead of 7%.

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hollow ibex
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we need a bot to post copypastas for plasma dump stat, focused fire, onslaught and longshit

tall torrent
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Whole entire plasma section needs to get pinned or smth lol

mystic jasper
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appreciate it! Literally only just lvled up one yesterday after a plasma/powersword vet shamed me on havoc-40 yesterday 😁

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honestly feels busted

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especially on open maps where psykers just do not excel

tall torrent
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Psyker is still by far the strongest class in the game

mystic jasper
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especially on inferno

tall torrent
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Psyker > veteran ≈ zealot > ogryn

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Overall

mystic jasper
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Psyker = Vet | Zealot > Ogyrn on open maps

tall torrent
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Nah

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Resource free CC/wave clear + teamwide CDR + resource free long range kills + bubble

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It’s just by far the strongest class in the game

hollow ibex
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built in range immunity KEKW_ogryn

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and not even a glass cannon anymore since 25% toughness buff

tall torrent
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U can say vet does some things better but psyker overall does everything u need

grand perch
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just relaxed in a 22 havoc with my exec stance ilas build. im still disappointed its so outclassed by laspistol in higher havoc Sitgryn

mystic jasper
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Oh I agree on the basis of which is a MUST HAVE class in havoc 40.

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But in terms of raw damage, specials and elite kills and boss dmg on more open maps, vet has psyker beat

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Vet’s only defense advantage over zealot & psyker is that veteran can tank 1 full stalker burst without toughness break

hollow ibex
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yeah and psyker has more defensive tools than other classes to compensate for the lower hp/toughness anyway

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(I will also mention that plasma’s talent tree build for havoc is not the same as base game)

mystic jasper
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mystic jasper
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Still agreeing to disagree with you on psykers on open maps lol

tall torrent
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there're 8 maps in havoc

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the most open it gets is like

mystic jasper
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Smelter

teal canyon
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Plasma is meh

tall torrent
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smelter / warren / dark communion

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in some sections

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not many

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gloriana has like 2 open sections and that's it

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first event and train ambush

mystic jasper
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Good example here. Dunno what this was, Havoc 36 or something. But this vet was just killing absolutely effin everything.

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tall torrent
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yea with a 16/13/4 ammo pickup count lol

grand perch
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it does feel like theres more pickups around, or is it just me?

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mystic jasper
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i mean no one else was using it so 😆
Buthaat's not exactly a skill issue from my side. I usually pull 900k minimum, but with him on a couple of maps I just couldn't. everything died before i got to it!

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grand perch
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grand perch
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call me mr hanky the vacuum

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which tends to be further than inferno's range

mystic jasper
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that's the point im making

vital wren
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Plasma rolling kills me. 69/71 but flipped...

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mystic jasper
crude fiber
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I do think there's more ammo pickups around tbh. They add so little that if they didn't you'd run out too quick without a scavenger vet

tall torrent
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Elite is just enough to hit like 2 new breakpoints

grand perch
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oh thats good to know

tall torrent
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Carapace + elite + superiority complex

grand perch
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those rager hordes can be a pain

tall torrent
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Is 1135 carapace weakspot on heavy atk with max headtaker stacks

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It’s just enough to get mauler 4 hit (1125 or higher) without crits

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I will also say

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Take marksman
And CQKZ if u can

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Marksman + CQKZ gives axe nearly the same breakpoints as base game, despite the enemy health increase

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3 hit bulwark
4 hit crusher
3 hit both ragers
4 hit mauler (3 if 1 crit)

grand perch
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i will try that out

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does that calculation include desperado?

tall torrent
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Orange are optional

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Green/yellow pathing is team content dependent

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If u have another veteran already running survivalist, take yellow

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If not, take green

grand perch
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ive been doing this

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grand perch
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i tried going into frags a couple of times but find that i really miss the smoke

crude fiber
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Who would have thought smokes are actually good when they spam lethal ranged enemies

grand perch
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well i thought psyker bubbles would be enough but they arent always up and positioned where the team needs it

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# grand perch

I think if u plan on running smokes just give up on survivalist

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It’s way way way too point expensive

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And ur gonna miss the +25 toughness nodes which are super good

grand perch
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yeah its really awkward but i kind of dont want to miss the ammo regen. its tough choices all the way

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especially when im playing with flamer happy zealots

vital wren
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Wild to need 3-4 hits to kill things when there are so many. I am not at that level yet so it's hard to even imagine in all that ruckus. 🙂

grand perch
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its usually such a non-option

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grand perch
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ill need to see if its worth it for lpistol

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It’s either KTHD or born leader

midnight totem
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Anybody got a gif of combat knife on crusher?

bitter turtle
sterile phoenix
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What mark recon lasgun is best?

grand perch
bitter turtle
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you're giving up quite a lot

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even some minor nordes would be superior if you pathed down c&k

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like the 5% crit

manic echo
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which MK of recon do you guys prefer

bitter turtle
manic echo
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ig 6 for clearing hoard?

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or it just bc it fire faster

bitter turtle
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14 has cleave which makes it the best for firing into crowds and cleaving through trash to reach your intended target

however the cleave stops working in havoc, so I use 6 as its the most ammo efficient

mystic jasper
bitter turtle
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not really a must have but it might save your life here or there on high level

manic echo
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you mean 7

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XII

bitter turtle
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XII = 12

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i dont use 12

manic echo
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oh right

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xd

bitter turtle
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VIc = 6c

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XIV =14

manic echo
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then yeah ig 6 is pretty nice too

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but currently I only playing damnation and didn't get into havoc stuff yet

bitter turtle
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then

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personally i like 14

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the cleave punches through crowds pretty well

manic echo
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really have to upgrade it

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bitter turtle
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if you're wondering what 12 is good for

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it has the highest firerate

manic echo
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wth happen to my recon

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bitter turtle
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practically speaking though, it doesnt really mean much besides if you take onslaught to stack it faster

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which lets the gun kill crushers, but not much else in terms of benefits

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and thats just a bug

manic echo
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actual god roll recon

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100% every stats

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curious why it only max at 80% and not 100%

bitter turtle
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so they can release red rarity weapons later that go up to 100

manic echo
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imagine everyone have to spend another million to get that one wep again

bitter turtle
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well crafting is actually easy now

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so i doubt it would take that much effort

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manic echo
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also was thinking about using lasgun

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infantry lasgun

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but idk if I want to use it anymore after try recon mk 14 and 6

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bitter turtle
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you can use it but pus hardened modifier is going to be bad

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for infantry lasgun

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outside of that though, pretty good

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bitter turtle
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well then again

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you're not doing havoc yet right

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just do w/e then

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lol

manic echo
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why mk 6 have less ammo when it deal less dmg while mk 14 deal much more dmg but almost same ammo as mark 12

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lol

bitter turtle
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if you mean on recons, 14 takes 2 ammo per shot so its not quite as amazing ammo efficiency wise as you'd think

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bitter turtle
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but 12 is the lowest in terms of ammo efficiency

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yes

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its on paper dps is the highest but not by a significant margin

manic echo
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I think dps is usually a misleading stat personally

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Like, for very high health enemies, dps matters

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For lower health enemies, it doesn’t tell u enough

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Or rather, the game’s way of telling u dps is not accurate

manic echo
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btw what perk should I use on curios

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+5 max hp and toughness good right?

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manic echo
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oh ic

iron marten
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gunner resist too!

manic echo
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what about main stats?

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bitter turtle
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12 = highest dps (by under 10% or so compared to the others) but worst ammo efficiency
6 = best ammo efficiency, middle dps
14= has cleave, lowest dps (but not by much)

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for recons

manic echo
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or anything

iron marten
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max for health is 21%, max for toughness is 17%

tall torrent
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For main I like 2 health 1 toughness
For havoc I’m running 2 toughness 1 health

I’m considering just running my havoc curio set-up for base game (but switch 5% toughness for dockets)

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I run 3x 15% sprint efficiency

bitter turtle
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imo

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i would run more health personally than toughness

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for havoc

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but that's just me

manic echo
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how corruption resist work?

iron marten
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how much corruption resist would you need to not insta death from a crusher overhead in havoc lmao

manic echo
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I know for grim

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bitter turtle
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its for the green shit

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bitter turtle
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you aint surviving an overhead ye

iron marten
broken spade
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you can probably get downed from a crusher without instadeath if you go full corr res and all hp curios

bitter turtle
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perhaps

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cant experiment though

manic echo
bitter turtle
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unless i want to troll my team

broken spade
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and then no one will revive you and you die anyways

manic echo
bitter turtle
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grunts with guns are actual threats

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very scary

manic echo
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now I just need 1 more curios for + 19% max hp or toughness

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# tall torrent Or rather, the game’s way of telling u dps is not accurate

Anyway back on this

If your infantry lasgun VII gets 2 headshots on flamers, the game tells u 1400 dps but it’s actually 0.275s TTK

If your recon XIV gets 6 headshots on flamers (which is enough for a kill), the game tells u the same 1400dps but it’s actually 0.65s TTK

There’s a huge difference between 0.275s and 0.65s lol

bitter turtle
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yeah

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i agree its not completely accurate

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but its an ok-ish metric here since the 3 are so close ion dps

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for the 3 recons

tall torrent
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U could take 1s to kill a flamer and it’ll still tell u 1400dps

bitter turtle
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but that also means the 12's advantage in dps is rather small

broken spade
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this is why you test on bosses

tall torrent
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But 1s is almost 4x as long as inf las VII’s kill time

manic echo
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think I will go with mk 6 recon

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manic echo
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I shoot every chance I get

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I walk up and start blasting

bitter turtle
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yeah that's also a thing

tall torrent
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So it’s the very clear “dps” winner to me (outside of havoc)

bitter turtle
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but some ppl care about hosing down bosses

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i believe 12 is superior in that regard

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you know the type of person that likes 12

tall torrent
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Not by much

bitter turtle
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they want to shoot hordes, bosses, everything

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lol

tall torrent
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XII takes a shit ton of investment to 1 mag a boss

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VIc takes 2 mags (23s kill), without shock trooper or onslaught

manic echo
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I just recover from running low on plasteel

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and now i'm running low on plasteel again

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upgrade my recon to power 500

bitter turtle
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ye

manic echo
bitter turtle
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fair enough

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i mean personally i think 12 is a meme

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like legitimately

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im pretty sure its the most popular mark

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bitter turtle
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since teehee onslaught

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stable shoal
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@bitter turtle you

bitter turtle
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hi

stable shoal
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Make me class pls for Bistol Chainsword.

I can’t really use knife that well I kinda suck with it ngl

bitter turtle
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o ok

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no problem

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this is still auric right

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not havoc

stable shoal
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Auric yes

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I have not ventured to havoc yet

bitter turtle
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are you actually using your smoke nades

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or do you forget they exist

stable shoal
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Don’t have frends

bitter turtle
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me neither

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pug it

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jk

stable shoal
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😭 I’ve never used smokes

bitter turtle
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acutally for real i have no friends and i pug it

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and ok

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kraks are actually an ok idea

stable shoal
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We can squad up 🙏

bitter turtle
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for this

stable shoal
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I can be your frend

bitter turtle
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i dont think you're ready for 40

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lol

stable shoal
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Oh defo not

bitter turtle
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but if you want to play whenever

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lmk

stable shoal
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But I can try my hardest 😭

tall torrent
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Boltpistol
Unarmored + maniac
Lethal proximity + puncture

bitter turtle
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you want voc right

stable shoal
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Ofc

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I love VoC

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VoC carries

bitter turtle
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elite hits the bp

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for dreg gunner

tall torrent
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Tox bomber

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(In havoc)

bitter turtle
#

well

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they play auric

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lel

stable shoal
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Auric chump

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😦

tall torrent
#

But unarmored kills outright

bitter turtle
#

or skirmisher

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or agile

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yes i run skirmisher

tall torrent
#

I’m not counting on Run&gun or skirmisher for breakpoints

bitter turtle
#

chances are at least 1 is up

iron marten
#

Skirmisher bruh hahaha

bitter turtle
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with bistol

tall torrent
#

I wish skirmisher wasn’t unsalvageable dogshit

bitter turtle
#

but im not putting it on chs

iron marten
bitter turtle
#

i would try this

bitter turtle
#

the only one build i use skirmisher on is

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run n gun bistol + knife

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so im literally spinting 24/7

iron marten
#

I should try it with knife and revolver

bitter turtle
#

thats the only singluar

#

no

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you arent sprinting on your revo

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so its not worth

iron marten
#

Ok true

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But it would be funny

bitter turtle
#

its a lot of redundancy to cover it

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it also lets you 1tap ragers

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w/ elite

tall torrent
#

Run&gun could be so good if the gun had 5~8% higher base damage

bitter turtle
#

i cant play the gun w/o run n gun

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the qol is too good

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i tried surgical + DA meme bad revolver style and it was horrible

tall torrent
#

It’s just meant to be a “frag go kaboom” gun

bitter turtle
#

you wanna know the scary part by the way

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i was running skirmisher

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||before the buff||

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

so its easy to keep up now lol

manic echo
#

I have ogryn teammate that are controller player

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I know game have crossplay but first time seeing one

bitter turtle
#

i put krak on their build

manic echo
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in this game anyway

bitter turtle
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cause chs is terrible vs crusher

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and bistol is just

manic echo
#

I still using shred grenade

bitter turtle
#

ok?

manic echo
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it's good

bitter turtle
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idk i dont really think i would shoot them personally

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if i didnt have to

bitter turtle
tall torrent
bitter turtle
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it doesnt

tall torrent
#

If only chainsword actually killed elites

bitter turtle
#

but they need more ways to kill armor

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ye

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i personally dont like chs + bistol as a combo caus eof that

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but yeah

tall torrent
#

I personally don’t value chainsword period

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It needs a myriad of buffs to be good outside of zealot

crude fiber
#

Just run uncanny melee with lethal proximity for elite wave wipes

manic echo
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I thought it would be bad sinceI heard ppl shit on it for bleed effect

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or something

bitter turtle
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btw

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this is why I run lethal explsoion in auric at least @tall torrent

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not really for the nade thing

tall torrent
#

Yea it’s ok QoL

bitter turtle
#

dont need puncture to hit bps for me

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since i have so many buffs up

tall torrent
#

But if it didn’t buff grenades I’d just run puncture + run&gun

bitter turtle
#

puncture just isnt necessary in my case

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since i just have so many buffs up

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you really dont have to think about it @ run n gun and skirmisher

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at least with the way i play

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but of course this would be suicide build in havoc potatonier

tall torrent
#

Skirmisher is so unapologetically bad

bitter turtle
#

i promise

tall torrent
#

I wish it was better

bitter turtle
#

in this ONE BUILD

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its alright

#

i noticed it gone when i dropped it

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

since i wasnt sure if it was just placebo

tall torrent
#

U don’t get stack

bitter turtle
#

ya

#

i know

tall torrent
#

If u slide, it doesn’t stack

bitter turtle
#

but im legitimately sprinting like

tall torrent
#

It’s so bad

bitter turtle
#

nonstop

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not sliding

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since i cant sprint hipfire while sliding too well

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the accuracy goes down

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you can see the crosshairs open back up

tall torrent
#

Skirmisher needs to be able to stack in combat

bitter turtle
#

yea dont get me wrong

tall torrent
#

That’s all I want for it

bitter turtle
#

i think it still needs buffs

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for it to be more applicable to more than just 1 singular build in the entire game

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that doesnt even work in havoc now

#

lol

stable shoal
bitter turtle
#

you have to take kraks cause your anti-armor sucks otherwise

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shooting a crusher 3-4 times with bistol is not ideal

#

and chs is terrible vs them

stable shoal
#

Sadge

#

But I really like the weapon combo

bitter turtle
#

its playable

#

give it a go and see how you feel

#

maybe consider swapping out

#

lethal explosion for puncture now too yeah

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since you lost some ways to hit the bp for gunners/ragers by going chs instead of knife

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but your crowd control abilities increased (chs is goot vs hordes)

bitter turtle
#

this is why im sprint shooting all the time btw

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its actually really accurate at long range

#

it made the gun click for me since the shitty ads recoil jank was annoying the hell out of me

tall torrent
manic echo
#

my hand already sore for holding LMB for so long using recon lasgun

terse idol
#

For true suffering

manic echo
#

is it orgryn gun?

#

I never see helbore

hollow ibex
#

no it's the charged recon lasgun with a bayonet

hollow ibex
manic echo
#

oh

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it just trench shotgun that they change it to shoot laser

#

ok

terse idol
#

Yeah, I've been using it for a while

#

Whattt

#

Noo its no shotgun

#

Never was.. I think

umbral scaffold
manic echo
terse idol
#

It looks like what would the equivalent of a uh

manic echo
#

can you guess what this is?

image.png
bitter turtle
#

boltpistol

manic echo
#

dang

#

you actually correct

bitter turtle
#

im a nerd for being able to recognize it instantly

terse idol
#

That's crazy

#

I thought it was a shredder

bitter turtle
#

no

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you can tell from the receiver

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its one of the few things you cant modify much

manic echo
#

literally abomination

terse idol
#

Too blocky

#

Truue

bitter turtle
#

have you seen my gunblade

manic echo
manic echo
bitter turtle
#

a helbore

manic echo
#

I was gonna try helbore before

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but I couldn't find up to date build

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so I didn't use it

iron marten
#

I have a havoc 33 and auric build for helbore

#

Just @ me if you want one

manic echo
#

@iron marten

iron marten
#

There's also the auric glass cannon helbore build if you want to kill a dh with a blue stim

manic echo
#

dh?

iron marten
#

Daemonhost

manic echo
#

ic

#

yeah I do interest but I hope i won't die the moment hoard spawning

iron marten
#

I run knife with it, but you can easily change the melee

manic echo
#

I use combat axe

#

seem best for me

red patio
#

i have two shovels, one with minimum roll mobility and another with minimum roll first target. which one should i use?

scenic ginkgo
#

Any stealth vets have advice on weapon setups? I like the look of Powersword

manic echo
iron marten
red patio
# manic echo mobility

so the dodge distance and count stuff doesn't matter as much? even though it's a crowd control weapon?

#

just to clarify

manic echo
#

so I will take hits hard one

manic echo
#

sensei please explain i'm not pro enough

iron marten
thorn lark
#

Since a YouTuber posted a build without confirmed kill but out for blood I have seen several doing the same thing hmmm

iron marten
#

I actually mainly use exhilirating takedown haha

#

But I saw people malding at me not having the swap speed for the helbore so

bitter turtle
#

first target, on the other hand, is the single biggest influence on your dmg

#

more influential than damage itself

red patio
#

Ah

bitter turtle
red patio
#

Ty

bitter turtle
#

havoc or auric?

red patio
#

Is mobility always dump stat for most weapons?

bitter turtle
hollow ibex
#

most of them yeah

red patio
#

Cuz some ppl said cleave for dueling sword instead

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Or collateral on boltgun

bitter turtle
#

yes

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because ds4 doesnt cleave

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at all

red patio
bitter turtle
#

so its even more pointless than mobility

scenic ginkgo
bitter turtle
#

havoc = pick a gun between laspistol/recon/bistol/plasma

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pick a melee that kills elites

#

and pack as many grenadesa s possible

trim steppe
scenic ginkgo
#

Plasma Gun + Power Sword with Shredders and Survivalist? @bitter turtle

bitter turtle
#

that works

scenic ginkgo
#

Don't like dueling sword tbh

trim steppe
#

Also first target is misleading, it ups the base damage of the weapon which affects ALL damage not just the first thing you hit. Never a dump stat

bitter turtle
#

i just dont like powersword in havoc personally

#

but it works

#

low mobility and slow

scenic ginkgo
#

Tbh as an Ogryn main

#

I never feel slow on Vet

iron marten
#

Sunder is a lifesaver for me

sleek garden
#

well with a good time i made it to 29 on my own track

#

but ive deranked to 28 twice now

#

my duelling sword teammates cant kill bosses but neither can i

tiny valve
#

Would you guys recommend the duelling sword as your melee weapon?

#

I'm considering getting it.

bitter turtle
#

as long as you ahave a way to deal with hordes

#

on your team or on your gun

tiny valve
#

Then no

#

I'll stick with devils claw sword

tame lodge
#

Just bring frags

tiny valve
#

I find that I can't throw frags early enough, by the time I pull the pin I've been downed.

hollow ibex
#

slide dodge while you're throwing nades

balmy flume
#

With nades, also better an early throw than a sorry not-thrown

#

And if you took the regen perk…use them often.

#

Especially in Havoc where things can go south fast

flat umbra
#

Can anyone help me get on overwatch done?

tall torrent
#

notably improves frag grenade use speed

pearl storm
#

anyone know why this vet insta died without being downed even though he had 2 bars & wounds still full of health

tall torrent
pearl storm
tall torrent
#

no, it's a havoc-only thing

pearl storm
#

truly unfortunate but also kinda funny. thx for the info

tall torrent
#

this guide covers havoc modifiers in great detail

bitter turtle
#

i was at full hp no wounds no corruption

#

i think like 3 or 4 poxwalkers hit me at the same time

#

i died

#

not efven downed

#

just died

pearl storm
#

damn

#

I've just been playin ogryn since people say it's trash in havoc for some reason. Didn't notice until now since I do alot of fancy footwork to avoid "avoidable" hits

tall torrent
#

u end up getting like 55% of their attacks being corruption dmg

queen fox
torn depot
#

Trying to do a weapons specialist build for a penance. Should I specialize in melee or range?

pliant prawn
#

hey vets

#

what "is" a sapper shovel? im pretty sure a latrine shovel is for digging, y'know, shit pits, but what is a sapper shovel for?

cyan verge
cyan verge
manic echo
#

out of curiosity

#

is there a mod that make hadron appear in every mission

cyan verge
#

don't believe so

manic echo
#

I feel like having her talking is beter than listening to zola

cyan verge
#

and it probably would not be possible

manic echo
#

sad

cyan verge
#

because I think that the game saves the advisor for the mission with the seed of the individual mission

#

so if you run the same mission repeatedly it'll always be that one guy

mystic jasper
#

IS there a vet build that is more havoc-40 ready than plasma/powersword?

#

feels like the monopoly on special/elite/disabler kills that vet brings with plasma is the closest thing to team utility on par with bubble/chorus that vets have

bitter turtle
#

recon is good as well

#

and laspistol

#

and imo psword sucks

#

but

vernal trench
stuck gorge
#

what should i be putting on combat axe for perks / blessings

manic echo
#

would love to have haddron in every mission

#

having hadron in mission is more funnier than zola or anyone else

gilded wraith
#

Unarmored/cara, bm/headtaker

scenic ginkgo
#

I think powersword sucks is a wild take considering its like Vets 2nd best melee after dueling sword

gilded wraith
#

Top 5 maybe, not sold on 2nd best.

austere mica
#

2 combos

tame lodge
#

Light attack

#

Push attack

#

Or heavy on mk3

cyan verge
#

zola is pretty flat

tame lodge
#

Well I've never heard her singing

gilded wraith
#

There is no autotune in the grimdark

long bloom
stuck gorge
#

enhanced descriptions

long bloom
clever hedge
#

Do you think they would port the relic blade overheat to power sword?

austere mica
#

They won't

#

Or implied as much in a dev blog

clever hedge
#

Ahh well, got to focus on bringing more new weapons

unborn moss
#

is it more efficient weapon xp to spam upgrade greens or higher tier

round crystal
#

green

unborn moss
#

ty

pastel yew
pastel yew
# bitter turtle yes

also tried your bolt pistol set up except... not quite, a few changes for other things I wanted though didnt grab grenade regen

#

its fun but not having mad grenades is a little sucky

#

think I'm gonna keep two bolt pistols around kitted differently

long bloom
austere mica
#

You need DML

#

and to set it up properly

long bloom
#

Whats DML?

austere mica
#

The mod loader

#

That is required to

pastel yew
#

I really underestimated the stagger as I don't use it for myself but tried it anyway and it was nice for freeing people from dogs or getting a revive since I didnt have shout or nades to really fill that gap

austere mica
#

you know

#

load mods

pastel yew
#

you really do need that swap speed node too which sucks

#

as the middle path is so much better, but without the swap speed node it feels awful to use the bp with ws

long bloom
austere mica
#

Did you run the .bat file in the game directory

pastel yew
#

also yeah every time a game update is pushed

#

you need to run that .bat again

#

all game updates unpatch the game for mods

#

very annoyingly

austere mica
#

Luckily it usually doesn't break them

pastel yew
#

not always

#

but it feels fairly frequent I have issues post update

austere mica
#

Well post major update yeah

#

I mean like

#

minor patches

long bloom
pastel yew
#

wait holy shit

#

have deg ragers always been carapace chest location?????

vital wren
#

i think that's recent

austere mica
pastel yew
#

guess its not massively important since

#

why wouldnt you hit them in their giant head anyway

#

but thats definitely odd

bitter turtle
#

though etting agile engagement becomes kinda difficult

pastel yew
#

yeah I normally drop agile engagement but with the bp I dont really want to

#

since it gives you body shot crit 1 hits on dreggies

#

which just feels very nice

bitter turtle
#

yeah

#

its quite important in general

#

its why you dont need puncture

#

along with all the other conditional boosts

pastel yew
#

normally I dont care about body breakpoints but with hipfire giving it an avoid

#

running run and gun

#

which actually I've also changed my mind on

#

I was under the impression the accuracy was only while sprinting

#

the fact that its not makes it significantly better

bitter turtle
#

yes

#

well

pastel yew
#

I'm still not hugely keen but shooting while running is fun

bitter turtle
#

it tighten

#

s

#

but not quite as much

#

the accuracy is boosted further under sprint

#

i would try this

#

if you want shredders

#

and use ds4 instead of knife

#

since ds4 dont need stamina to attack

pastel yew
#

appreciate but gonna pass on that too

bitter turtle
#

yea i wouldnt play that either

pastel yew
#

already used loads of the ds when it was on psyker so a little burnt out

bitter turtle
#

tbh

#

its a pain

#

to give up a lot of stuff i normally would wnat

#

like toughenss on swap

sturdy ledge
#

Whats the best blessings for Plasma Gun?

mystic jasper
#

HEY! I'm heading into havoc's and need a havoc-ready version of this build (plasma/Powersword) if anyone can help a fellow darktidian out? I'm psyker by trade and literally lvled a vet 0->30 today.

image.png
austere mica
#

Drop the 8 stacks of tag

mystic jasper
#

bit drunk.

#

er

#

worth dropping the toughness regens like "catch a breath"?

gilded wraith
#

Bit drunk? Definitely havoc ready 😉

stable shoal
#

@bitter turtle bouta try the loadout

soft trellis
#

Question: how viable is the agripinaa revolver on the Vet: I've heard it can do good boss damage

pastel yew
#

it requires all stacking ability node buffs

#

I think the damage aura too

#

and exec stance

#

but once you have the complete set you explode bosses

soft trellis
#

meaning voice of command

pastel yew
#

uhh I mean you'll do good boss damage still

soft trellis
#

I kinda thought the boss damage was a meme

pastel yew
#

you just wont one shot them

#

honestly checking it

#

the damage isnt that great

#

without the stacked buffs

#

if you run marksman?

#

I imagine you'll be good

soft trellis
#

I mean... we're not using a perfectionist shroudfield crucis thammer with 25% unyielding and t4 thrust... of course we're not 1 shotting damnation bosses lol

bitter turtle
bitter turtle
#

playable

#

but worse than zarona

#

main problem is its damage is lower so you dont oneshot ragers or 2 shot crushers

#

but its not like its that much worse

#

you do get the benefit of a faster reload freeing you from needing to take WS

pastel yew
#

thats 5 weakspot hits with marksman + for the emperor

image.png
#

no trick shooting

#

like its not awful

soft trellis
bitter turtle
#

not really

soft trellis
#

I was actually almost 2 shotting the crushers with only 10% elites on the agripinaa I had... and with killzone and longshot active...

bitter turtle
#

im talking about in damnation

#

i used it a while back before bistol

#

because i wanted a sidearm like zarona but found it boring

pastel yew
#

if you had longshot active you were miles away

#

I wouldnt say thats super reliable

soft trellis
bitter turtle
#

yea but you cant take carapace

#

well

#

unless you wanna give up other bps

soft trellis
#

Yeah

#

I figured

bitter turtle
#

anyway its not a big deal still

#

you can fan anyway

pastel yew
#

given you're 12-13m away

soft trellis
#

I'm probably not going to be playing past heresy, tonight, on my Vet since I haven't played them in a few months >.>

pastel yew
#

and it only starts to scale after 12 unless they've changed that

#

you should still use the gun

#

its hella fun

#

it's just a bit rough

soft trellis
#

Gimme a min and I'll show you what I was running on my Vet

long bloom
#

Can someone help to instal enhanced descriptions mod?

pastel yew
long bloom
#

Its god damn hard, I tried so many times it wont work#

pastel yew
#

and your mod load txt file

long bloom
pastel yew
#

oh because you're

#

grey rank

#

you definitely have it in your mod load txt file?

#

case sensitive I think

long bloom
#

-- ################################################################
-- Enter user mod names below, separated by line.
-- Order in the list determines the order in which mods are loaded.
-- Do not rename a mod's folders.
-- You do not need to include 'base' or 'dmf' mod folders.
-- ################################################################
animation_events
scoreboard
Enhanced_descriptions

#

Yup

#

its there

pastel yew
#

gimme one sec to install it

long bloom
#

Ty

pastel yew
#

you have all of these?

image.png
long bloom
#

I dont understand that mod

pastel yew
#

what about it

austere mica
#

Maybe get all the dependencies

long bloom
#

I dont even know where to put it

soft trellis
pastel yew
#

big sad

#

though I have warmed up to frags n such

soft trellis
pastel yew
#

mhm mhm

soft trellis
#

I'm also working on this shovel, so I have an alternative melee to my heavy sword

image.png
#

I'll have to try the mk7 shovel again sometime, but, last time I tried I definitely did better with the mk3

pastel yew
#

just to be thorough

#

yeah with localization it works @long bloom you just install it like any other mod. unzip the file, add the folder to your mods folder then add the mod name exactly as the folder is named to your loadtxt

pastel yew
soft trellis
# pastel yew big sad

On a side note based on what you said: Melee vet is all I really feel like playing. I could, probably, play with the upgraded default career skill or infiltrate... but voice of command and weapon specialist are my go to things for my career and keystone

soft trellis
#

And good for elites too

long bloom
soft trellis
#

I mostly use it for horde mulching on my Vet, since I really like a good horde clear melee on my vet

long bloom
pastel yew
soft trellis
#

Just make sure you bring something for crushers lol

#

cause even with the 10% rending, melee crit brittleness, and 20% oggy damage crushers are rough with the heavy sword