veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

Nothing stopping you from doing it that way

[crisp oak]

In the party

[mossy oasis]

Which build would you consider the best plasma gun build on gameslantern?

I suppose the most... meta. So i have a starting point to start butchering

[bitter turtle]

I don't read games lantern builds

[mossy oasis]

to make the thin i want.

[bitter turtle]

I would ask someone else too bc I don't play plas

[vital wren]

path has posted various plasma trees here

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[vital wren]

and is using it in havoc I think with rashad

[bitter turtle]

His havoc tree is WS

[crisp oak]

I dont like the plasma gun

[bitter turtle]

This should be a decent starting point ig

There's 4 points leftover

[mossy oasis]

wouldnt taking both of the blessings that give crit, and also taking DeadShot like, guarantee charged crit hits btw?

[terse idol]

Long shot doe?

[bitter turtle]

Deadshot doesn't work on plasma

[terse idol]

I'm going craaazy

[bitter turtle]

I think people take it for dreg gunners or something no?

Idk

[terse idol]

You take uhhh

[bitter turtle]

I don't play plasma

[terse idol]

Elite

[bitter turtle]

Well you can drop Longshot then if it's not necessary

[terse idol]

That gives you the BP for dredge gunners + precision strike iirc

[crisp oak]

Id run field improv+ the right top for the 4 points

Oh wait, its missing the tag toughness regen

[broken spade]

long shot got nerfed at one point

I don't think any build should bother with it now

have to be really far to get value out of it

[crisp oak]

It used to allow hellbores to oneshot crushers

[bitter turtle]

Well

5 free points then

[stuck gorge]

I got a question about field improv

[bitter turtle]

[crisp oak]

Would argue one of those should go in the yellow tag

Toughness regen

Unless did they nerf that without me realizing it?

[bitter turtle]

It's great yeah

[stuck gorge]

Does medpacks regenerating toughness or curing corruption take away from its max heal or only if it heals hp

[broken spade]

toughness on tag is good yes

[bitter turtle]

I just left it empty to let them build however they want

[crisp oak]

Fair

[crisp oak]

It heals back corruption hp damage to the next wound

[mossy oasis]

wait

does deadshot not work with a plasma gun

[terse idol]

It might have always been shitty

[crisp oak]

[terse idol]

Since we learned that it doesn't start at 20%

[bitter turtle]

They're asking if the toughness healing depletes the maximum amount of healing it can do

[eternal verge]

dump stat on stub revolver?

[bitter turtle]

Mobility

[terse idol]

It moves from 1% at 8m to like 20% at 30m

Or 12m to 30m

I forgor

[broken spade]

i think the dropoff used to be less harsh?

[mossy oasis]

huh

does it not??

or does it just not display

[broken spade]

like you could get more of the buff while being closer

anyways doesn't matter now, it sucks

[stuck gorge]

Yea or when it’s curing corruption (I know it heals at the same time it takes corruption away so would it be doubling up on how much it is taking away from max heal?)

[terse idol]

Maybe

*sniff

Maybe

[crisp oak]

Cant ads so dont think it works

[mossy oasis]

Well, it says WHEN USING YOUR WEAPONS ALTERNATE FIRE

aka holding right click

so it SHOULD work!!

[crisp oak]

Unless obese fish fixed it

[mossy oasis]

So what, this is a known bug?

[crisp oak]

Anyway, if you charge a shot, do you lose stamina?

[bitter turtle]

I don't think it's a bug

But it's been that way forever now

[crisp oak]

The bug is the bad tooltip

Secondary fire means ads

Or brace

[paper trellis]

Weird thing is I’ve seen some debate between reload speed and mobility

[bitter turtle]

Reload speed makes sense

Bc you never reload it ideally

I only say mobility cus reload speed matters if you switch it to the fan mark

[paper trellis]

Well yeah if running weapon specialist

[bitter turtle]

Unless you wanna make 2 revolvers

[paper trellis]

Honestly I do want to make 2 revolvers lol

Partially because they play so fundamentally differently

[bitter turtle]

Well you could do that then yeah

The fanning mark doesn't usually WS from my experience

Take focus target for the yeehaw

[terse idol]

It just works waaayy too well with WS

[bitter turtle]

Yeah i can't imagine playing zarona without WS

[paper trellis]

Cowboy with weapon specialist just sounds odd

[bitter turtle]

The main difference is agri doesn't really care about WS reload

So its not as important as it is on zarona

[stable shoal]

Absolutely gas, defo leveling knife and bistol

[paper trellis]

Yeah it has the speed loader

[bitter turtle]

Ye it's hella fun

Honestly I suggest the infiltrate version but idk if you like infil

[paper trellis]

Not sure how ppl manage cowboy’s ammo tho

[oblique totem]

Dakka build needs more dakka

[bitter turtle]

Cause agile engagement is really really good
Though I guess you can path to voc after the movespeed aura

[bitter turtle]

It's not too bad, it still oneshots most things

[paper trellis]

That’s true, but it’s almost impossible to have survivalist on the same build

[bitter turtle]

It just takes like an extra bullet or two on crushers

[paper trellis]

But speed aura is fun

[bitter turtle]

I meant for bistol/knife about agile

But yeah that's what I was referring to

[paper trellis]

Oh yeah that makes sense

Sadly you have to buy a knoife loisence

[ebon prism]

What's the dumpstat on the helbore lasgun?

[paper trellis]

Stability iirc

[ebon prism]

so this is good?

[bitter turtle]

Ye

[ebon prism]

ty!

[crisp oak]

Personally I prefer charge rate at 60

But stability is a good dump

[mossy oasis]

How and why

Stability is the proper dumb roll, yes, its very good.

[crisp oak]

Its like .1 seconds

[paper trellis]

That adds up tho

[bitter turtle]

I don't think stability does anything at all

[mossy oasis]

its more than that, quite a bit more.

[crisp oak]

I have both at 70

[paper trellis]

Helbore already struggles to get kills done in a prompt manner without building your entire character to pump up its damage

[mossy oasis]

Good. Proper uniform, proper gear.

Well, as proper as fatshark allows...

[terse idol]

Well

GW allows

All approved by GW

[mossy oasis]

well, alright, i guess ill keep oneshotting damnation reapers with it

[crisp oak]

Oh yeah the mk3 exists

My bad

[mossy oasis]

yeah it does

[ebon prism]

speakingof Mk

[mossy oasis]

it does struggle a bit against carapace crushers to be real

[ebon prism]

what's the best Mk for the Helbore?

[mossy oasis]

but thats why kraks and teammates are for

[crisp oak]

Yeah charge rate would be bad to skimp on that

[ebon prism]

Asking for a friend

[mossy oasis]

and if you have neither, you got combat shovel..

[crisp oak]

Depends on what you want to do

[mossy oasis]

not the most efficient, but two special shovel attacks will take care of a crusher usually

[mossy oasis]

mk 3 i d say is generally the best

[terse idol]

The one with the swing Bayonett is the worst

[bitter turtle]

I usually go for the middle one

Mk1 before

[terse idol]

Imo i like the fastest firing one

The 5

[crisp oak]

Unless you never use the bayonet

[bitter turtle]

Idk if it's still called that

Keeps the good bayonet

[mossy oasis]

mk 1, fastest shooting/chargerate, lowest punch.
MK 4, highest damage cannon, but bad bayonet stab (important for a krieger)

[terse idol]

Its just too damn slow for me, but it lines up very nice with surgical

[mossy oasis]

and mk 3 is the best mix of chargerate and damage and it has a bayonet.

[crisp oak]

Opposite, 2 was the fast one

One was the in between

[bitter turtle]

Yea

[crisp oak]

Now 3 was the old one

[bitter turtle]

Idk if it's still the same though

[crisp oak]

4 is the fast one

Or am I high

[mossy oasis]

4 is the slowest one.

[crisp oak]

3a has the mk1 bayonet

Which is the in between one

I only used the mk1

My mk1 is also a standard across the board one with no optimization because it gets the job done and its been the one Ive been using forever

[hollow rose]

i feel like I'm straight unable to join any 30+ havoc

im on 29 clearance and just denied left and right lmao

[cedar pecan]

what perks should I use for rashad on my vet?

[terse idol]

I swear you have to be the first one there

[bitter turtle]

Carapace and unarmored imo

[terse idol]

Unarmoured + cara

[bitter turtle]

Unarmored can be dropped if you take a lot of melee talents

[crisp oak]

Anyway I use I think 68 charge rate on mine qithout wof

[bitter turtle]

But idk what you'd replace it with

[terse idol]

Iirc you still need alot of melee talents to support

[crisp oak]

And it lines up perfectly with surgical

[cedar pecan]

I'll go with that, thanks

[terse idol]

QoL with unarmoured because otherwise BM won't cleave nicely

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

Both 10% melee and desperado

[mossy oasis]

also i would say helbore is super underrated

if plasma gun wouldnt be the ultimate nutty combo with WS then it could be comparable to it.

[crisp oak]

They just need to give the bayonet back bromentum

And uncanny

[swift river]

Should use the MkV Helbore

[mossy oasis]

i think the bayonet is fine as is

[swift river]

Same as the IIIa but shoots faster

[crisp oak]

I want it baaaaaack thpugh

[crisp oak]

Harder to hit breakpoints

[mossy oasis]

nope, mark 3 does more damage

quite a bit more actually

[bitter turtle]

My gunblade days

[mossy oasis]

what

[bitter turtle]

Do you like my tech heresy

[mossy oasis]

it ALMOST looks cool

[crisp oak]

Anyway bayonet was way more fun when you could three tap maulers and onetap ragers

[mossy oasis]

but it just looks cursed as it

it needs a fkn stock.

[bitter turtle]

Gunblades don't have stocks

:(

[crude fiber]

not even lever action

[mossy oasis]

The fuck is a gunblade this is warhammer

[bitter turtle]

My bolter

[mossy oasis]

What are you blabbering on about? Ah-ni-meh? Titans? Nerutoh? Big milker tit- wake up soldier, the plaguebearers are closing in on our location, i need you at the trenches in 30 seconds!

[oblique totem]

I hate how cool that looks

[mossy oasis]

That is not regulation equipment.

[mossy oasis]

It looks like a cobbled together mess.

[bitter turtle]

This one actually looks cool

You have to admit

[oblique totem]

Anime exists in 40k but it's largely considered Tau propaganda

[mossy oasis]

Because it is, xenos propaganda, in our timeline too.

[mossy oasis]

this one is the most passable i would say.

[oblique totem]

I don't normally go for lasguns but

[mossy oasis]

I use default ironsights on my helbore.

Dont need mods.

Just my helbore.

[vale ledge]

I want a pump-action Bolter….

[terse idol]

The blue is also just accurate

Let's be reeall

[mossy oasis]

i get that the setting says "forget the promise of technology and science and progress and stuff"

but

[terse idol]

I wished there was a more sgt looking helmet for the blue but beggars can't be choosers i gusss

[mossy oasis]

that doesent mean we have to evolve BACKWARDs...

[bitter turtle]

This is my iag

[mossy oasis]

like, bolters are just fine as they are, since we have semi auto bolters, we dont need to cripple them to make a worse bolter, thankfully.

[vale ledge]

That Bolter is used by Arbites usually tho-

[terse idol]

Kiiinndd of

[mossy oasis]

How much longer are the kriegsmen staying in shop?

[vale ledge]

(As let’s be honest nobody wants to explain why you accidentally left full auto on)

[mossy oasis]

Like, 4 more days? Less?

[winter sluice]

We need an actually good dmr/sniper weapon. Vigilant autogun ain't good

+plus a scope would go hard

[crisp oak]

Solution, buff the vigilants

[winter sluice]

True

[mossy oasis]

helbore for vet, new stubbers for ogryn.

Zealot and psyker dont snipe, why would they

[winter sluice]

True I forget about helbore

[mossy oasis]

not in flavor and psyker can explode brains from a map away

[vale ledge]

I mean psykers might

[candid agate]

psyker thinks about sniping

[mossy oasis]

psyker DOES snipe, but with the warp

[winter sluice]

I don't like charge weapons tbh

[mossy oasis]

so if they added a Las Fusil sniper you wouldnt be happy again...

since that would be a charge sniper weapon, most likely, yet again.

[terse idol]

Ilas 7

Is very goooood

[winter sluice]

I will try it

[terse idol]

Take headhunter and ghost

Boom

(Also flak)

[crisp oak]

So what gun do I do after the shredder: shotfun, double shotfun, ilas, or recon

Or vigilants

[hollow rose]

what is the point of match making system if I cant join any 30+havoc lobby lmao

[terse idol]

I mean you reeally gotta host your own lobby at this point it seems

Folks also just accept based on first come first serve

Least that's what I do

[hollow rose]

No, i legit see lobbies sit for 10+ minutes

[terse idol]

Weird

Wacky even

[hollow rose]

probably because they are waiting for players with 35+ clearence

[terse idol]

Just gotta host your own

[hollow rose]

my own is on 20 and i really dont feel like spending another 10 games just to START progressing

[bitter turtle]

Wait till the end of the week i suppose

Or set something up in lfg in the discord

[hollow rose]

will it jump up to my clearance then?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[crisp oak]

I need to do a 25 so I can go back to cheesing low level havoks

[hollow rose]

ridiculous system but ok

[broken spade]

yeah it being a weekly thing is so dumb

[terse idol]

Oh i mean

[broken spade]

32 but my highest is 37 so my next 5 games don't even matter unless i wait

[winter sluice]

I need to win another 40 havok matches to get the full outfit...even tho I'm already 27 levels in....

[terse idol]

Yeah people seemingly are denying you because you're 10 levels below I'm assuming

[bitter turtle]

This is why you get 40 done on the first week

[hollow rose]

I mean, i see no reason why clearence and current assignment are two unrelated things

[hollow rose]

im clearance 29

[terse idol]

Oh

[hollow rose]

they are denying on 30

[terse idol]

🥹

Can't you just host a 29

[bitter turtle]

Everyone accepts my requests because they think I'm gonna carry them

Little do they know I'm bringing run n gun double barrel shotgun

[hollow rose]

my assigment is on 21

[terse idol]

Oh now I understand

My brain works goood

[hollow rose]

always funny to see zealots with 500k kills frame and 1000 missions title die to first horde

[bitter turtle]

Oh don't get me wrong

[ebon prism]

I always had trouble with Zealot

feels like a paper character

can't take what it dish out

[bitter turtle]

If we die I'm the last person alive

But it's hard to clutch against gunner lines with a dbs

[broken spade]

zealot has good survivability though

[ebon prism]

Yeah, and somehow I'm more tanky with a veteran than with a zealot

[crisp oak]

Zealot gets toughness back on dodging

And damage on dodging

[ebon prism]

I keep dodging! That's the thing!

And still I get downed in one shot

I basicly ragequited the role

I just put mine to level 30

and haven't touched it in months

[manic echo]

should I get this

it's dump first target which idk if it good or not

[thorn lark]

iron will + confirmed kill goes a looong way

[pastel pumice]

Applies when you are hitting crowds

[thorn lark]

and you can also have out for blood

[pastel pumice]

If you are just wanting to focus on 1 target, then it's good

[manic echo]

no if I want to focus on one target I can just use recon lasgun

I primary use combat axe for hoard clearing

[bitter turtle]

No

First target has the single largest influence on your damage

Out of any stat

[pastel pumice]

i look for 60 mob for most of my weapons

[bitter turtle]

That is to say, you'd do more damage with 0 damage and 80 first target, than 80 damage and 0 first target

[manic echo]

pain

[candid agate]

gotta love getting booted out of my own havoc lobby by darktide crashes

and them not letting me back in

[pastel pumice]

Lose lose situation

The remaining 3 will be fighting for nothing lol

[stuck gorge]

Have you tried joining from strike team menu?

[candid agate]

i couldnt find them and we were in progress mission

[stuck gorge]

Previous mission tab usually shows them

It’s how I saved one of my runs

[candid agate]

looks like they all quit the macth :/

[stuck gorge]

F

[fiery ledge]

I gotta ask who kicked up such big a fuss over the kreig skin

Why is it blue instead of grey

I had basically all but the krieg from Before now only my vet is blue

[crisp oak]

Its blue because its spe ifically the 143d siege regiment from the war for Vraks

[fiery ledge]

I heard it was coz some people were complaining

[crisp oak]

Ie thr most popular regiment lore wise (and I think was the introduction of the dkok but might be off on that)

[vital wren]

I just want the Moebian 21st but I missed it long ago, have to settle for 6th and 53rd!

I don't think I'd buy any cosmetics in this game though, I enjoy acquiring through play.

[crisp oak]

I want a maccabian jannisary for my zealot

A guard regiment made up entirely of zealots

[terse idol]

You want the highest possible damage values on a rashad specifically

Because the bp's are intense

[swift river]

The pox gas levels are really starting to piss me off. I can't see shit

[vital wren]

I don't like any of the lowered visibility modes, I have eye issues so they are almost unplayable for me.

[hollow ibex]

Lights out and gas are instant leaves for me

[mossy oasis]

What does brittleness actually do?

[floral hearth]

it's rending for the entire team

[mossy oasis]

so quite good if i have 20% of it all of a sudden yes?

[hollow ibex]

Usually yes

It just depends on what the cost is

Btw rending is a buff to you

And brittleness is a debuff to the enemy

[bitter turtle]

Important distinction

Or onslaught would actually be good, if it was rending

[crisp oak]

Onslaught isnt good?

[bitter turtle]

It's a meme

It only matters for crushers because by the time you stack it on any other target it's already dead

[crisp oak]

but then how do I magdump a mixed horde to remove all of the threats

[bitter turtle]

4 points for that is not worth it

[crisp oak]

Oh yeah

[bitter turtle]

Now

If it was rending

[crisp oak]

Its only 3 points for me

[bitter turtle]

Then you can stack the buff on yourself instantly and go to town on everyone with full stacks

[crisp oak]

Because In taking duck and dive for gunner memes

[crisp oak]

Uncanny strikes on demand

[red laurel]

Would love to know the logic behind this

[pseudo fiber]

mk6 lights are entirely horizontal

heavies are diagonal

[civic knot]

Chasm Logistratum Hi Int Auric. Who says you can't be a marksman with a shotgun?!

[silent nebula]

Whats a good second blessing for helbore in havoc? Running surgical

[bitter turtle]

The 10% heavy boost doesn't matter compared to the attack patterns

[civic knot]

weight of fire

is a literal must have

[crisp oak]

Infernus, falter, wof

[hearty panther]

your choice, helbore is awkward imo

[civic knot]

fake news

ngl

[bitter turtle]

If you want to use heavies, run mk3

[civic knot]

only one that matters is weight of fire

[hearty panther]

if you are constantly hardscoping the helbore the WoF

otherwise its kinda mid

[crisp oak]

Also wof puts you out of range of guarunteed crits with surgical

[hearty panther]

ill hipfire two shots, stab a guy, ADS for two shooters, stab some more guys. WoF turns off in each of those shifts

[bitter turtle]

Also depends on your mark, wof I didn't put on my fast one

[civic knot]

still better to have +50% fire rate than to be waiting longer just to do a crit in which you couldve shot twice with WoF

[bitter turtle]

I had no respite for bayonet stabs

[hearty panther]

id rather crit

[bitter turtle]

But that was prebugfix

[silent nebula]

Its about abusing crits for shock trooper

[crisp oak]

Like I get what you are saying hentz, I understand what wof does

Im saying if you do not want to run wof

You can run the other 2

[civic knot]

you can still do that with weight of fire, i run deadshot and surgical with WoF

[crisp oak]

Why tf are you running deadshot lol

[terse idol]

Probably infernus

Imo

[civic knot]

because its literally free crits

[crisp oak]

So is surgical without wof

[terse idol]

You got free crits with surgical

[bitter turtle]

Has anyone tried

[civic knot]

use both

= more crits

[bitter turtle]

Hotshot

[terse idol]

It sounds risky to take deadshot on havoc

[civic knot]

= less waiting for surgical to make crit high

[terse idol]

Considering you want to dodge

[crisp oak]

Which one is that the cleave one?

[terse idol]

Alot

[civic knot]

ive done it, works like a charm

[bitter turtle]

Yea lmao

[crisp oak]

Used it in auric, was eh there

[terse idol]

Hotshot applies on your melee too

[bitter turtle]

Wait

Wait wait

[crisp oak]

Does it?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

Bayonet build is back?

[red laurel]

Thought the cleave was only on heavies

[crisp oak]

Because that changes everything

[terse idol]

The buff is still there

When you swap melee

[civic knot]

wut i just tried this??

i dont think it does... hol up imma double check

[bitter turtle]

No, the charged heavy boost was only added much later

[tall torrent]

It does

[crisp oak]

[civic knot]

hey path

[crisp oak]

Ive found a new blessing

Sorry falter

[tall torrent]

Hotshot is funny but kind of not very impactful

[terse idol]

How useful it might be is questionable

[tall torrent]

At least it’s basically not relevant for axes I’ll say that much lol

[terse idol]

I'm so DS and hot shot pilled though and it's probably a placebo affect, not that it does anything

[bitter turtle]

Hmm

[red laurel]

How should I decide which blessing to take?

[bitter turtle]

Hotshot with mk6 knife?

[crisp oak]

[crisp oak]

Surgical helps ceit aka murder better, puncture lets you kill things in one shot easier

[terse idol]

Cavalade mag dump bosses

[crisp oak]

Calvalcade is for being heavy weapons guy

And making beast of nurgle disseapear

[red laurel]

What about Pinning and Shattering?

[crisp oak]

Meh

[hollow ibex]

Shattering is good when paired with puncture for bleed memes

Pinning is one of the straight up good damage blessings for bolter iirc

[terse idol]

You lose too much from not picking 1 of the 3 above choices

[red laurel]

I did not mean what about taking both of those

[terse idol]

Puncture gives you BP's
Surgical for DMR bolter build
Cavalade mag dump on bosses and crushers

[crisp oak]

Id trust sirosky, he clearly has thought about this more than me

[terse idol]

Oh

[red laurel]

Since when does Darktide have bloodpoints?

[terse idol]

I'm gonna No'ed you now

[red laurel]

Oh you mean breakpoints?

[terse idol]

Yesss

[tropic notch]

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

The day they even remotely buff the VAs in the smallest way I will ascend

Untill then I’m coping with using them still

[silent nebula]

Also does the helbore bayonet do a stupid amount of captain shield damage? It feels like it chunks the hell out of it

[bitter turtle]

The bayonet does a stupid amount of damage in general

And it used to be better

#veteran-class message

Remember what they took from you

[silent nebula]

What the hell 😳

[vernal trench]

Wtf

[proper jasper]

I will never forget

[balmy flume]

Is it just me

Or do people who have done Havoc, right

Find that “normal Auric” actually feels…easier…once you have done Havoc missions…?

[serene bough]

sure, with havoc bringing increased spawns, increased health, decrease personal HP/toughness stats, and various modifiers that affect our damage/hitmass against enemies, auric feels easier

[balmy flume]

Well, there is that, yes. But also…
I find myself carrying Havoc instincts into “normal Auric” or just normal games, and it feels like I am operating like a smooth machine at times.

Knowing when to pull back/not to push etc.

Also the Havoc need to headshot gunners is just…actually improving my headshot game overall lol

[remote sonnet]

Pull back is a good move when you don't have protection.

[balmy flume]

Ye, you kind of become more alert to when you are in danger of being exposed

Once you have done Havoc

[serene bough]

yeah, havoc requires players to have and fill a role for greater success, auric you can carry an entire team personally ifyou're good enough

[tall torrent]

Yes and it feels good

[vital wren]

Hey Path, what was your WS rashad/plasma build? I missed it in the scroll.

[tall torrent]

this is for havoc

[umbral scaffold]

They really need to change Havoc matchmaking cause it's ass

The moment you hit 25, there's barely a reason to keep going up

[hearty panther]

that just tells me that 25 is the actual filter for 99.99% of the player base

[tall torrent]

lol nah

[tall torrent]

What even is “havoc matchmaking”
Havoc doesn’t have a matchmaking system

[mossy oasis]

Has anyone here read Dead men Walking?

I dont have the book on me, if any of you by any chance know the trooper number of the formerly known Gunthar Soreson, please tag me.

[swift crest]

Someone mind passing me a solid recon lasgun build?

[scenic ginkgo]

Fellas I haven't used Plasma Gun before, what's the best way to manage heat without having to reload the gun?

[austere mica]

Venting it

Use the weapons special to vent heat for a pitiful amount of toughness damage

[tender pasture]

Also don't forget that there's three reload cancels for the thing, cuts it down from an eon to an era

[cyan verge]

yeah it helps a LOT

it might be the only gun where you really almost have to do it

it's not too hard either

[tender pasture]

Yeah even if you bungle one there's more to hit

Even hitting just one makes it noticeably faster

[remote sonnet]

Or just switch to melee for a little bit and by the time you need it again, it is already cooled down.

[cyan verge]

if there's nothing pressing for you to blast then yeah sure

[tender pasture]

Tbf switching to melee is generally something that people need to be told more often, outside of maybe zealots

Idk if it's because the usual pop is all sweating in havocs but aurics have been wild

Mfs either tryna dodge melee, or losing fights to three poxers

[bitter turtle]

The reason is the same reason people play auric maelstroms over normal damnation

Fun

[cyan verge]

it just means that all the casuals will get their legendary pants then dip

so havoc 1-25 is going to be a nightmare of casual players and then like 26 up is people actually trying to just do havoc

[ancient path]

veterinos. im looking at the book and was curious on why they dont list deadly accurate and surgical for bolt pistols.

[tall torrent]

What book

[ancient path]

your book.

[tall torrent]

Wait did I not?

[ancient path]

no. Lethal Prox and Run 'n Gun / Puncture.

[umbral scaffold]

Which mark DS you use again? I loaded up into a mission and forgot which one i am using

[placid portal]

Wait we have a book?

[tall torrent]

Oh yea, cuz that’s the best way to use the gun lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[ancient path]

did they not pass you a the book before throwing you on the front lines?

[tall torrent]

I thought u meant I didn’t include bolt pistol in the blessing sections

[ancient path]

soldier do you even know how to read!?

[placid portal]

Ye, I all I got was a combat knife and autogun

[ancient path]

ah ok.

[ancient path]

true guardsman life

[placid portal]

No 😔

[ancient path]

a day in the life of a true guardsman greezer.

[placid portal]

PDF soldier in a nutshell

Autoguns are some hive gang or cartel weapon isnt it?

[tall torrent]

Widely used across the imperium, not officially fielded by imperial guard forces as much as lasguns

[umbral scaffold]

Which dueling Sword mark should i use?

[tall torrent]

Mk2 / mk4

[umbral scaffold]

Any difference on these two?

[queen fox]

mk2 has a more complex moveset but has more cleave and hordeclear, mk4 is just pokes 24/7

[placid portal]

Doesnt mk2 have that funny saber slash heavy

[queen fox]

yeah

the other heavy is identical to mk4 heavy

you can heavy-light chain for way better hordeclear than mk4 and still have access to the op stab heavy, good mobility and precog/agile/whatever else you prefer

but this takes skill and effort

so most use mk4

[tender pasture]

Mk5 if you want to yeet yourself off the level with a dodge

Mk2's stab does slightly less damage than Mk4's all things being equal, IIRC

[queen fox]

not according to in-game dmg numbers

it might be a slightly slower loop than mk4 heavy chains, tho

so you might lose dps but not any breakpoints

[tender pasture]

Cheers for verifying

Vaguely recall something about it missing a Maniac bp (relevant to Mutants) is why

[queen fox]

well the proper chain for mk2 heavies is heavy->special

and the special comes out so soon after the heavy, in practice it hits where the heavy did every time wiht some practice

[placid portal]

I find it appalling when I see people not doing special after heavy

[cyan verge]

just use the Mk IV

conform

[elder fiber]

No thanks

[placid portal]

I am going to Sly Marbo

https://tenor.com/view/sly-marbo-tts-sly-marbo-gif-18321831

[serene bough]

grinding havoc is such a pain

either dreadfully boring @ low lvls or slow at higher levels where theres actually a challenge

[tame lodge]

Real

[unborn dove]

Is it okay if the 60% stat is Stability instead of Mobility on my heavy Laspistol? Everything else is 80%

[bitter turtle]

if you want to know why DA isnt worth it

it doesnt give any breakpoint besides 1 less shot on a reaper than puncture doesnt already give

and i ugess if you want to shoot crushers

but i dont think that's a great use case either way

and it only saves around 1 shot as well

the tradeoff vs puncture being its not reliable

[slender radish]

Anyone wanna run a Heresy difficulty? Im trying to get the Make Every Shot Count Penance

[ocean moat]

i mean laspistol has like no recoil right? what does it say stability affects

[cyan verge]

everyone's always asking this and it's like well yes

you can just use that piece of crap if you want

but it's not 'perfect'

it'll literally function, you can use it

but like...

it doesn't take that much to get a 'perfect' one, so don't invest in it

here's a junk one I just saw in the store, like oh it basically doesn't do a whole lot

hip fire recoil of, 0.04

for comparison here's a braced autogun

so on a LASPISTOL, you may as well just be like okay gimme mobility then

get a lil extra sprint speed go fast

[pastel yew]

not perfect = piece of crap

[muted prairie]

boy howdy, havoc has given me a newfound appreciation for shredder frags

and my recon las

[cyan verge]

that's my perspective

but if you are a baby and can only afford 1 gun then I dunno maybe like, you could at least take it temporarily since you're level 15 and it doesn't matter really

[final stone]

** OI **

[cold shell]

what's the best recon lasgun mark?

[serene bough]

I forgot about HD2

[ebon prism]

is this a good laspistol?

[vital wren]

For anything but a Plasma, you want something with one 60 and the rest 80s, for the most part. If you got that one as a reward it's worth using until you get a perfect one.

[placid portal]

Les gool kill the space nerds

[proper jasper]

anyuone know why i see builds that uses boltgun with weapon specialist when you can just use the revolver?

when revolve do more dmg

[placid portal]

Not max stopping power ☝️🤓

[placid portal]

Who uses boltgun w/specialist unless they wanna do mainly melee?

[proper jasper]

those type of builds

people use bolt gun

cant the revolver do a better job then the bolt?

bolt pistol i mean

mb

[cyan verge]

what builds

where are you finding these

[placid portal]

Specialist boltpistol

Never heard of that

Revolver just has stupidly high crit and headshot compared to bolt pistol

Honestly back when it was 350 400 dmg was good enuff imo

Oh wait

[pastel yew]

maybe they like the fire rate increase

[placid portal]

But.... why

[pastel yew]

maximum dakka

to be fair

it doesnt sound bad

and if the argument is "why not just use this better thing"

then 95% of all builds are worthless

[placid portal]

Nonono, I dont see how boltgun can benefit from RoF boost

Other than 100% crit 1st shot

[pastel yew]

fun benefit mostly

[placid portal]

Hope so

[pastel yew]

it might not be for the bolt gun to be fair

[placid portal]

Dont find reloading fun at all though

[pastel yew]

depending on the melee weapon ws is sorta mandatory

chainaxe with no weapon spec ;-;

[placid portal]

Been trying chainsword, fun shit

[pastel yew]

other weapons too... that 25% attack speed is huge for making mid/trash weapons acceptable

i can imagine the chainsword is giga fast

[placid portal]

Bloodletter super nice blessing to chip in boss damage and bigguns

Also rev light on rager and rev heavy on mauler

Though imo I find light rev 2 times is safer

[bitter turtle]

Boltgun or boltpistol

[placid portal]

Might be Bistol

[bitter turtle]

WS boltgun is not common

WS boltpistol is the normal way to build it

[hollow ibex]

nah

[bitter turtle]

VIc for havoc

[cyan verge]

I bet he was looking at stupid shit on gameslantern or something

[placid portal]

Lol

I brew my own builds

Like sly marbo vet

Terrorize Auric Damnation with Shredder Pistol Mk1 Claw

[cyan verge]

it'll be great for when anything goes the slightest bit wrong and you drag your team down like a deadweight

[placid portal]

So far no

But I will try stress testing harder

[rain badger]

Vet bros, I am 4 in a row in auric maelstrom damnations for the first time ever. I need to do 5, but I am scared.

The current mission is fucking pain, and I’m avoiding it. (Scab only, hi int, specialty can become weakened monsters)

Also, FYI you don’t lose progress if auric survivor if you join a mission in progress and you die. Thank god

[tall torrent]

U also don’t gain any progress from beating missions you joined halfway

[rain badger]

Fair, but I’m pretty sure dying during a mission in progress before the last few patches resulted in you losing your streak. I’ve died twice tonight from in progress missions and didn’t lose my streak.

I have over 800hrs and this is the first time I’ve done 4 in a row with randoms. No cheese either.

[peak tree]

I gotta say, i've been surprised how much fun the dueling sword is to use.

[cyan verge]

now THIS is a sight, the helbore should be something like this

[rain badger]

DS is very fun. I was jealous of psyker for the longest time, now that vet gets to use it, it’s hella fun.

[peak tree]

the precision and finesse involved and just ruining ragers and stuff, loads of fun

[rain badger]

One shotting mutants right before they grab you is awesome too

[cyan verge]

yeah DS IV being able to one hit stab mutants is DUMB

[peak tree]

but so fun :p

I was pretty comitted to my combat ax for general hoard but...as I move up in challenge, that DS does it.

[cyan verge]

no I love using it

it's just, so dumb

it's not fair lmao

completely OP

like ohhh it doesn't kill hordes ohhh who cares, that's what your zealot/psyker/ogryn is for

[peak tree]

yup.

it holds hoards abck and thats enough.

eye poker is what it is.

[cyan verge]

it makes veteran completely survivable in melee

[peak tree]

aye. it does a good job with the range it has.

I just need to find one that isn't shit % distribution.

so running around with a purple one without any edits

[swift river]

If only

The Vraks skin though kinda does that

[tough tiger]

vet doesnt need dsword to survive in melee tho?

just stay away from chain weapons and you'll be fine

[frank ledge]

chaxe is fine

[swift river]

Speaking of sights, there’s been something bugging me about the sights on the Recon Lasguns…

[dry cloak]

Chain sword is fine

[swift river]

Why does a Lasgun need adjustable sights when it’s a beam weapon? There’s no drop off… You just point and shoot.

[peak tree]

Scavanged weapons. That scope is from an autogun!

[swift river]

That would make sense

[peak tree]

It is what it says in one of the intros as is. We make do with what we can scavange.

Many reclaimed from the falling city.

[grand perch]

Lenses could get misaligned. That scope could get knocked around. The scope is by necessity set above the barrel so you need to adjust to a point blank

Multiple reasons

[swift river]

I’m talkin about the iron sights on the recon lasgun though

[grand perch]

All these reasons still apply to irons

Irons get knocked around to. There are still lenses in a recon las

[austere mica]

It would also probably increase the production cost of a standard lasgun by a bit too much

Scions gets scopes and stuff sometimes

But that’s because they are worth the investment and can be trusted with them

[grand perch]

Recon las are used by drop troopers too, maybe it's a weight saving thing... Or just lazy design

[swift river]

I dunno, always seemed odd

[austere mica]

I sure you can find 50 reasons why if you look hard enough

And they are probably all different

[peak tree]

Real reason is to make the mark feel different from another aspect of play by designers but in game lore id say most likely is just making do with what they have available T the moment

[swift river]

I’m more inclined to believe this

Cause why would you need elevation adjustment on a weapon that shoots a beam in a straight line, not a projectile

[austere mica]

Triangles

[peak tree]

And we know the weapons in this game are heavily scavanged for the likely shortly to die convicts, but it could also literally be overstock from autoguns adapted over.

[austere mica]

Unless you were looking through the barrel with that optic it will grow inaccurate over range

Because it will be slightly above the beam always

[swift river]

Ok but how would it grow inaccurate?

[peak tree]

The viewing position of the scope or a laser and the barrel are physically in different places. Not much but enough that if you need true precision they must be angled

To arrive on the same spot the sight must be zerod

If you're going full auto close up that doesn't matter

At least in a raw physics sense. Not necessarily in practical use in world for this games combat context

Really it comes down to the theoretical.explanations above for why you'd have something not really as suited for the lasgun

[bitter turtle]

So the average recon user playstyle

Jk

[swift river]

But after you’ve got the sight aligned, you’d never need to adjust it

You could just make it a static iron sight like on the Helbores

[peak tree]

Think geometry of a triangle.

The distance between the barrel and the view point, and the total (side of triangle) distance to the target, the latter of which varies, means the angle must vary

If you want them to converge the angle varies based on distance

There's still a discussion of the practicality of it mattering here in context

But for physics there must be an angle between the two for their perspectives to meet

Because they either are parallel so the scope is NOT accurate

Or there is an angle so they meet and don't run parallel

Even if the laser round has no drop off

Which we could be cheeky and say it does because gravity pulls on photons too.

But just based on making two lines meet, an angle is required otherwise they are parallel and the scope isn't fully accurate, with that accuracy varying based on target distance.

[twin ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1304047131379892245/giggling.mp4?ex=675cc548&is=675b73c8&hm=31213b8b2b4d4f6fafe379ba84c356db5d3040e4af17f10c0f90bf8581932d73& Havoc experience in a nutshell

[swift river]

And all that makes sense with a normal gun whose accuracy varies at range

[twin ingot]

you two talking about the laspistol?

[peak tree]

But none of what I said has anything to do with bullet drop off

Just the literal physics of the angle varying based on distance if you want two points to converge at different distances

[peak tree]

Variable iron sights on lasguns

[twin ingot]

I wish the lasgun had ironsights by default

[peak tree]

How it's really likely a design choice by the game makers to differentiate marks but there are lore explanations but it's a weird choice in reality

[twin ingot]

and none maghold animations but that's another gripe

[peak tree]

I would like hellbore more if I could see through the damn sight properly

It occludes.my view

[swift river]

But if distance wasn’t a factor anymore?

[peak tree]

You'd have to zero it at a distance to have two points that are non identical at their start converge and have an accurate scope.

Unless the scope is IN the barrel

And therefore is a single point

Which means you would have it accurate at once distance

If they are not both in the barrel

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/605f2437de1b9b30a9f9541ff5d0e490.png

[peak tree]

And didn't adjust

[bitter turtle]

here i made a demonstration

i hope you like it

[peak tree]

Thank you :p

I'm in bed on my phone so could not manage such a visual masterpiece myself

[bitter turtle]

No problem, I am an artist

[peak tree]

But yeah that visually sums it up.

If the laser goes perfectly straight and so does your viewing angle but they start at different places...

[lean current]

Wait, why are we arguing about how to zero a gun?

[peak tree]

shrug

A series of questions

#veteran-class message

[lean current]

TBH engagements in this game happen at such short ranges that, if the zero is a bit off, I never really notice it.

[peak tree]

Yup

[bitter turtle]

please

everyone knows recon users dont aim to begin with

[peak tree]

The rays of my recon las shall spread like those of the sun, basking all my enemies in its deadly light

[lean current]

Because of the height above bore of your sights/optic.

[lean current]

I’m a recon user and I aim

[peak tree]

That was more or less our discussion, plus lore suggestions

[bitter turtle]

spraying the gun in the general direction of the enemy doesnt count as sharpshooting

[lean current]

I target my enemy’s heads, because headshots build my crit stacks, and crits quell peril.

[peak tree]

The real humour is that it suggests he missed the joke.

We are not literally saying recon users do not aim

[lean current]

No, I fully understood the joke; I just choose not to spray and pray with the recon lasguns, despite the effectiveness of the tactic

[bitter turtle]

why do you think the optimal loadout is infernus + dumdum now

because no recon user can consistently hit headshots for headhunter

obviously

so it was pointless

QED

[grand perch]

Funnily enough since lasers practically don't drop off, your can only adjust your sight to one point blank range, while with ballistic weaponry, you have two points where the sight would be accurate (where the bullet drops off enough to meet the sight line again)

[lean current]

Dumdum is only better if you can’t hit your heads, which I can.

[bitter turtle]

ok unironically

dumdum/infernus is better than HH regardless

[peak tree]

I suggest headbutting instead.

[bitter turtle]

iirc it was mathed out that HH is a pretty low amount of crit

in practice

[lean current]

On Vet, maybe, but HH is better on Psyker - especially Scryer’s Gaze gun Psyker - because more crits means more peril quells

[bitter turtle]

it would be worth even less

the higher your crit is

[wanton dawn]

Good thing this is vet chat though

[peak tree]

Madness.

This is physics chat.

These monsters took us away from geometry with metaphorical puns

[wanton dawn]

Back in my day it was frog chat

[bitter turtle]

cant find the post

#veteran-class message

but it was mentioned that az mathed it out to being 3-5%

which is kinda not worth compared to dumdum

if your crit is even higher then it has even less chances to proc

since you're, well, critting more to begin with

[swift river]

I had to make my own diagram and I just had a realization

[wanton dawn]

This math is too boring to bother

[bitter turtle]

math is for nerds

heretic nerds

so the dark mechanicus

[wanton dawn]

No, I just mean you have so many stuff to account for that you might as well just make game comparison with Power_DI

[bitter turtle]

well

i dont actually have the math to back it up

but i can say anecdotally when i tried dropping it my dps doesnt really change

so i just removed it

[wanton dawn]

Well, I could figure it out. But I have so much more fun stuff to do today

And the boring stuff I am paid to do it

[swift river]

Lasguns would have an inverse problem to sighting than normal guns. At a distance, the difference of angle becomes so small that it's basically inperceptible. But it gets worse the closer you are.
So lasguns would be more accurate the farther the target, and you would actually have to adjust for closer ranges than longer ranges

[lean current]

It stacks up to 5x, which is +25% crit at max tier

[bitter turtle]

the problem is its not a constant 25%

[wanton dawn]

Except it goes back to 0 on every crit

[bitter turtle]

it resets to 0

so you cant consider it a +25% boost

its much, much worse than that

[wanton dawn]

also recon has crit chain

also reset on non weakspot crit

Why I argue about recon again ? I don't even play it

[bitter turtle]

i think one can also intuitively conclude that the higher your crit rate, the less its worth as well

it would probably almost never proc if you somehow reached 90% crit rate

since you'd be critting nonstop

while it would have a realistic chance to stack up to 5 if you had like, 10% crit

[wanton dawn]

That's not exactly the right intuition

[bitter turtle]

how would you put it?

genuinely

since i dont really know how to parse it in my head

and im not doing the math

[wanton dawn]

Crit can be translated to damage simply by applying the crit dmg modifier to crit change. For slow gun you need to factor BP as well, for recon the formula can be used mostly straight cuz it is a DPS gun rather than a BP gun

So for recon, you just do the math

by calculating the average crit gain

See ? Boring

[lean current]

More crits means more quells. More quells means I can stay in Scrier’s Gaze for longer. And the damage boost from Gaze, especially at high stacks, far outpaces Dumdum.

[wanton dawn]

Btw, the only reason crit is now good on stuff like revolver/plasma/bolter is because we went from number like 5% to 50% in one patch

[bitter turtle]

that doesnt mean that any amount of crit is always worth

would you take a blessing or perk that says +1% crit

[wanton dawn]

Cuz on a weapon like CIAG back in the day, it could be a real increase of around 5%, translating to 5% more dps

[lean current]

If I was at 99% without it, probably

[wanton dawn]

Not a fair example though cuz armor dmg modifier perk are overtuned (vs the rest)

As for blessing, surgical went from 1% to 10% per stack

[lean current]

The only way I would consider dropping my crit chance perk is if the Recon lasgun actually did damage to carapace.

[wanton dawn]

You do you. Idc

Am an apathetic man

[bitter turtle]

that's an unsound decision compared to taking a 30% dmg boost but if you would take it anyway then there's nothing to really talk abt

[lean current]

Guaranteed crits means I can drop the talent that gives me a free crit every 5 headshots and replace it with something else

[bitter turtle]

99% crits is already practically guaranteed crits

you would have dropped that regardless

what's the chance that it just so happens that the 1 out of every 100 shots just so happens to line up with the 5th shot

and does it even matter if it just so happened to do that

in fact its even lower than that

[lean current]

You’ve clearly never played X-Com

[bitter turtle]

bc crit strings

ive played fire emblem

i know about rng shenanigans even before x com lol

[wanton dawn]

We cant even reach 99% permanet crit though

[bitter turtle]

yeah its just a hypothetical

x com is like fire emblem with guns

-IGN

[wanton dawn]

in this hypothetical you have to factor BP reliability cuz 100% crit is no longer a chance

crit in FF and XC are more impactful compared to DT

Cuz you get 1 damage action per unit without action cheat

[bitter turtle]

i think even in the case of FE, if you asked if its better to increase your dmg from 10 to 13, or choose between 99 or 100% crit

13 with 99% crit is always gonna be better

esp when you consider action doubling but

[wanton dawn]

Well, considering that most of those game have some form of crit protection cheat

[bitter turtle]

well we would be ignoring outside fuckery affecting rng

or else its just an argument about how the game is programmed

like the "rng protection" mode in BG3

[wanton dawn]

Well... you play "a" game so...

[bitter turtle]

yeah, but I dont think there's any evidence of that in DT, no?

[wanton dawn]

You have crit chain that ppl conveniently forget in all cc calculation

[bitter turtle]

i mentioned that, but factoring it in just makes taking 1% crit even worse

[wanton dawn]

It has diminishing return. But that's because your real crit change increase a lot at first

What's the breakpoint though

[bitter turtle]

wdym by the breakpoint, that went over my head

[wanton dawn]

Above certain amount of displayed CC gain, real crit gain become tiny. At beginning is huge

Ogryn math

[bitter turtle]

oh

i get what you mean

like if you increased your crit by 5% at 0 crit

you're critting 5% more often

but if you already had 50%

the actual amount you crit more is less than 5% relative to before

right?

or something lik ethat

[wanton dawn]

More like if you increase by 5% at 0 crit with 4 crit chain, you might have like 20% crit in reality

[bitter turtle]

idk im dumb

oh ok

[wanton dawn]

there is an equation in the wild for this

Crit_String_Length/(Crit_String_Length - 1 + 1/Crit%)

So 17.4% for my example above Goodbye !

[bitter turtle]

ill pretend i understand

[wanton dawn]

You don't like crit chain equation ?

[bitter turtle]

👻

[pseudo fiber]

Insane gibberish send no reply

[grand perch]

I didn't drop out of maths minor to read this

Machine spirit have mercy

[vivid silo]

More crits = higher crit chance. All we need to know

[thorn lark]

@white minnow @tall torrent maffs

[swift river]

I duno why but this is just funny to me

[thorn lark]

do you have +10% attack speed?

[swift river]

Yep

[thorn lark]

special feels so much better with it

[lean current]

You’re expecting the bomber to get the London Special, but instead he gets the Mike Tyson Special

[swift river]

That left hook

[lean current]

Yup

[oblique totem]

Bap bap bap

[lean current]

POW

[swift river]

After much experimentation... I have found that the standard Bomber has the most punchable face, taking only 4 punches to knock him out

With the crusher taking the opposite win requiring...I dunno I lost count around 50

[lean current]

False. Erebus.

[swift river]

Well Erebus isn't in this game sadly, but I can pretend he's the Bomber

[swift river]

Pain, I know the Long-Las model exists because there it is

Just give us the long-las dangit

[manic echo]

I love money

wish I can use gold to buy plasteel

[white minnow]

maffs

[white minnow]

this is the example that I used to reason myself through the effective crit chance formula for crit strings, if you care to understand it

*this example assumes an infinite magazine size

[bitter turtle]

well

if im reading it right

goiung from 99% crit to 100% on a recon would be an increase of 0.6% (99.4% -> 100%)

so its worth less than even 1 %, as I was saying

not that I understand the formula too well but

[light nest]

whats the better dump stat for power sword?

im going with cleave targets right now cuz brutal momentum exists

[bitter turtle]

cleave targets if you're doing bromentum, mobility if you're doing sunder, I think

definitely cleave targets for bromentum though

[light nest]

think im gonna try sunder cuz i never actually did

but 20% heavy attack damage sounds insane

[swift river]

I've finally found a combination I really like

Weapon specialist with Knife and Revolver

[white minnow]

i don't have the context of the above convo but that's correct yeah
crit strings basically make +x% crit chance much more valuable when your base crit is low, and it's less valuable when your base crit is already high

(e.g., that graph by craime)

i just realized that the number in my image should be 42.86% instead of 57.14%
oops

[bitter turtle]

that'd be my non-mathematical intuition yeah

with no source

[wanton dawn]

technically a "long enough" shot sequence, which is not always met in practice and lower the real crit chance

Looking back at my equation: when n (shot sequence) is long enough, then a_m ≃ a_n, simplified to a.

But if you shot only once, you only have base crit chance. In fact the 1st shot of the sequence always has only base crit chance

[orchid nova]

I think that's just an infantry las with a scope and helbore muzzle, could probably replicate it with that mod.

[wanton dawn]

The conclusion is that calculating crit is hard when you remove "bad" simplification and you should probably use Power_DI to mesure in-practice number over the course of a game

[orchid nova]

How does shock trooper interact with crit chains again?

[wanton dawn]

It no longer proc on crit chain that I am almost certain.

[orchid nova]

That'd explain the ammo thirst

[wanton dawn]

Exact implementation may vary but that was, at minimum, 50% nerf on crit chain gun

In practice, depending on gun and implementation, more

Too much math again

[swift river]

I mean, yea?

[orchid nova]

Fair enough,

Honestly, I suspect weapon customization was meant to be an ingame feature

Then the skin shop was added so it had to go

[swift river]

I mean, I can understand lore-wise why the didn't do it too

[wanton dawn]

Don't worry @white minnow

[orchid nova]

Either way, SOP to reuse assets like those

[bitter turtle]

they undid that

it procs on every crit in the chain now

they just didnt unnerf recon crit chain

it hink it was 4 before

iirc they claimed the shocktrooper not working on the full chain was a "bug"

[swift river]

I mean, that's basically what a Long-Las is, just a modified standard lasgun

Even on the GW models, the only difference is the scope and longer barrel

[white minnow]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[wanton dawn]

Fair enough, I did say I don't play recon so it is me not caring more than anything

[bitter turtle]

yea i was just clarifying

i guess i should be @ing the other person if anything since they asked

[bitter turtle]

it works on every crit in the chain

[wanton dawn]

Used not too, "bug" they said

[bitter turtle]

yeah

it worked at first

then it

"coincidentially"

became bugged when recon got nerfed into the ground

then they "bugfixed" it when they buffed it back up

[wanton dawn]

Am still rolling Plasma/PS anyway

For the little time i play

[orchid nova]

Yeah, I saw, thanks tho

[wanton dawn]

I do like the new plasma blessing

Power on high heat ? Yes please

[ancient path]

doing all that math and calculation just to still get headshot by a crusher overhead.

[manic lantern]

What's the best hellbore?

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message wat

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[ancient path]

wasnt targeted at you.

[wanton dawn]

Of course, but that's my kind of humor

I still get torn down by shooter

[ancient path]

gunner: could they outsmart me? maybe... maybe

but can they outsmart HEAR ME ROAR

ngl buffed gunners / reapers makes ghost so damn valuable rn lol.

[wanton dawn]

maybe I should do a running ghost brauto build again

[tame lodge]

Preference

Mk3 is a middle ground

Mk5 is fast

Mk4 hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game