veteran-class

[pastel yew]

thats why you take it

[bitter turtle]

you still need to hold it to guarantee it

lol

[pastel yew]

it uses next to 0 stamina

in my experience

[bitter turtle]

unless you're relying on WS crit

[pastel yew]

I never wait for it

and never miss

[bitter turtle]

sure

[pastel yew]

so the timing is clearly not very long

[bitter turtle]

but mathematically its not guaranteed lol

[pastel yew]

I dont use ws with it

[bitter turtle]

i dont even need to ads and i can 1tap?

[pastel yew]

focus target way cheaper

[bitter turtle]

ok

then you need to reload your weapon

[ember folio]

uncanny + flesh tearer? for knife

[bitter turtle]

i never need to reload lol

[pastel yew]

the horror

[bitter turtle]

yea it is the horror

[bitter turtle]

yeah thats my setup

[pastel yew]

I'm not gonna say how you do things is bad

[bitter turtle]

u literally said im trolling

so yea you did

[pastel yew]

skirmisher is troll

[bitter turtle]

its really not

[pastel yew]

dead point

[bitter turtle]

but its the only point

only build*

i take this on

[pastel yew]

the only build I've tried it in thats been remotely okay

is with the combat blade and only for that weapon

[bitter turtle]

yes

this has knife + bistol

and the bistol can fire while sprinting

so ???

[ember folio]

THATS LITERALLY WHATS BEING DONE??

[pastel yew]

okay I mean, less troll

[pastel yew]

its troll to take it for bp breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

its really not if you play this properly

[pastel yew]

the reason its good on the knife is because of its constant hit and run style

[bitter turtle]

you never have to stop sprinting

because of WS invigorated subnode

also run n gun tightens bistol spread to snipe at long distances with hipfire with surprising accuracy

[pastel yew]

only at the cost of having no grenade and no grenade generation

not bad

[bitter turtle]

that is not cause of skirmisher

that is cause i run infiltrate lul

you can do voc with this build

doesnt really matter

[pastel yew]

I mean if you change your layout you'd start missing points no?

[bitter turtle]

no

here

[pastel yew]

already no bring it down

[bitter turtle]

i can do same exact build with grenade regen + voc

[ember folio]

elite or flak perk for knife?

[bitter turtle]

i do elite + cara for knife

[pastel yew]

I dunno I mean I can try it but I'd rather not have to rely on run and gun to hit targets

[ember folio]

kk

[pastel yew]

you cant run and gun while dodging

accurate or not thats rough

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/32a894bdfe1a3a2f1bfc71fbeae7a8a8.png

all you do is drop the toughness on swap node

which you dont need anymore

bc you have voc

only reason i take that is cus i need more toughness since i dont just hit infiltrate on cd like you do voc

[pastel yew]

it just seems pointless to me

[bitter turtle]

the point is its fun and very mobile

[ember folio]

oh wait so i can use this instead?

[pastel yew]

you can use whatever you wantbud

[ember folio]

per chance?

[bitter turtle]

yea if you want to voc go ahead

use that instead

[ember folio]

sweeeeet

[pastel yew]

sued for build theft

20 years in the slammer

yeah I mean I think most people probably aint gonna agree with run and gun as the most comfy pick

[bitter turtle]

believe it or not

more ppl than you think like run n gun

that ive talked to

for bistol specifically

[pastel yew]

considering what I suggested lets you ads and shoot while dodging without conditions, I guess its nice if you're running the uhh

grenade nerd build

but if you're running that you're lacking grenade buffs

[bitter turtle]

again

this is for auric

[pastel yew]

on the zealot yea

[bitter turtle]

you dont need one gorillion grenades for auric

[pastel yew]

also that build is

fuckin dead

boring as shit

controversial take maybe since everyone seems to enjoy it but

its not very engaging

idk the splendor of ogryn grenade on 2 minute cooldown wears thin when your weapon feels worse

[tawny timber]

i just miss a lot of dodges and blocks and shit

[pastel yew]

though I might not like run and gun, I dislike relying on dots for breakpoints more

extreme stink

[pastel yew]

is it because you get overwhelmed or?

[bitter turtle]

tbh

[pastel yew]

not expecting them

[tawny timber]

no

[bitter turtle]

i suggest you look at bistol bp

there is nothing that DA does for most targets

only reaper and crusher

[tawny timber]

i just miss them because i react too late usually

[bitter turtle]

and i dont shoot crusher with my bistol

[pastel yew]

why would anyone do such a thing

even with deadly accurate thats int

[tawny timber]

it always feels like some random garbage like joining a game with a crusher behind me

[pastel yew]

I mean sometimes you will just fail dodge

[bitter turtle]

then what is DA actually doing for you

[pastel yew]

literally everyone does

[bitter turtle]

save you 1 bullet on reaper?

[pastel yew]

consistent, conditionless 1 hit kills on elites and disablers?

while ads

doesnt rely on dots

or sprinting

[bitter turtle]

you already get those

with normal crits

you dont need DA for it

[pastel yew]

I dont think thats true though, not for every enemy

[bitter turtle]

unless you're trying to pump your overkill dmg

its true for every enemy except the ogryns

[pastel yew]

I can go back and test but I'm pretty sure I tested without deadly accurate and was missing some enemies

[bitter turtle]

rager die in 1 crit without DA

and i assume you are not shooting maulers in the head

[pastel yew]

no, not really shooting maulers ever they're bozos

just stab em

[bitter turtle]

yea

so thats my point

rager already die in 1 crit without DA

why do you need DA then

its just reaper lol

everything else you would be meleeing

[pastel yew]

I'll boot up and test

[bitter turtle]

oh and

mutants

i guess

lol

holy fucking shit why is gyazo replay so trash rn

@somber axle sorry to ping you but i know you use this too, is gyazo replay giving you shit when you try to dl stuff now?

[pastel yew]

misses both ragers one hits with a normal crit

I Think you also used to need it for dogs

[bitter turtle]

i dont have that problem

[pastel yew]

mhm it only misses by a little bit

[bitter turtle]

tell me

u dont feel like a badass

like this

and yes

that smy point

theres 3 ways to meet the bp

[pastel yew]

so if you have any damage buff up should be chill

[bitter turtle]

its literally

[pastel yew]

you def used to need it for dogs

[bitter turtle]

HARD to not hav eone

lol

[pastel yew]

if you crit?

but with no surgical

only one guaranteed crit

[bitter turtle]

yes

tahts the point o f this build

u swap

COSNTANTLY

like literally

i shoot and do 3 heavies and swap back

over and over

[pastel yew]

wouldnt a different melee be better for that though?

[bitter turtle]

for infinite stamina + toughness too

maybe

[pastel yew]

three knife heavies vs 1 light from several weapons

[bitter turtle]

but its less COOL

[pastel yew]

thats a lot of time difference even with the punch cancel

it is cool

[bitter turtle]

why do you punch cancel

[pastel yew]

run and gun still not nice

[bitter turtle]

you don tneed that shit

heavy + 2 push atk for single target

[pastel yew]

punch cancel brings out your third heavy faster than reseting the loop

[bitter turtle]

yea

you know whats even faster

just spamming push atk

[pastel yew]

you can punch while in recovery

I dont think it is yknow

I'm looking at it now in the psyk

they're basically the same speed

though punch slight faster

[bitter turtle]

u can ask path if you dont believe me

push attack is the highest dps on knife

oh right

sorry

4 ways to meet bp

agile engagement too

:^)

[pastel yew]

push attack is good ye but why use stamina if you dont have to

if they're the same speed and same breakpoint

but it definitely seems the punch comes out faster

+50 punch damage clearly that will matter ever

[bitter turtle]

i mean its not going to be accurate if you're just eyeballing it

[pastel yew]

idk I'm new to the knife only really a few days of use

but my general view is

[bitter turtle]

push attack is the highest dps on both knives

[pastel yew]

need to push? push attack

dont need to push? use punch cancel

it just means you have a way of weaving in a push if you need it

[bitter turtle]

as for stamina

[pastel yew]

useful

[bitter turtle]

that is why i have invigorated

infinite stamina

i have thought

about everything

alr

for this build

[pastel yew]

I dunno, theres other shit in the tree I quite like

bring it down is real nice

marksman is real nice

grenade tinkerer if you have frags is also super sweet

[bitter turtle]

tinkered frags are very meh

they do not boost the frag bleed dmg

[pastel yew]

no but they make the aoe bigger

which is a good thing no?

[bitter turtle]

bring it down does not give many bp

[bitter turtle]

its a good thing but is it worth 2 points?

i alr run lethal explosion

actually

run n gun + lethal explosion

[pastel yew]

who out here measuring breakpoints against bosses though

[bitter turtle]

since it lets u stagger ragers

[pastel yew]

only 2 points if you dont take survivalist

generally I find I Dont run out of ammo without it

since everything is a one hit kill

[bitter turtle]

knife alr duels bosses well

[pastel yew]

one medium bag and one full refil from a box and you're chilling

[bitter turtle]

well practically speaking

[pastel yew]

I used to be a major survivalist supporter but I dont really think its that cool

[bitter turtle]

im not running the voc version anyway

and i actually like smokes

so

yea

and movespeed aura

for more SPEED

[pastel yew]

I wish it was more speed though

5% is nothing

[bitter turtle]

no

it is not

sec

[pastel yew]

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

both movespeed nodes

[pastel yew]

if I'm not incorrect, its 5% base speed no?

[bitter turtle]

lets u just casually walk away from a horde

[pastel yew]

I mean

htat

thats a neat benefit?

not gonna lie, I'm never walking with the knife out

[bitter turtle]

the point is

[pastel yew]

even with no stamina your heavy attack sprint is so fast

[bitter turtle]

it makes a difference

and im illustrating that

[pastel yew]

yeah I just dont agree its impactful to use a more accurate word then

I'd want it to be an amount of move speed that feels worthy of an aura slot

it could be worse

it could be 5% damage

[bitter turtle]

well, "it doesnt make a difference because i feel like it doesn't isnt a very convincing argument, sorry

[pastel yew]

and be almost entirely literally useless

[white minnow]

the benefit is in terms of reaching a movement breakpoint
i don't quite agree either but it does reach that

[pastel yew]

I mean thats fair but for this to be a difference maker you'd have to regularly engage in casually walking away from horde

[white minnow]

too much movement speed breaks (mild exaggeration) the game

[pastel yew]

which at least in my games

never happens

why would I

[bitter turtle]

if you have more movespeed you sprint faster

[pastel yew]

if you're doing that then yeah I Can see its useful

[bitter turtle]

as well

so yeah

[somber axle]

No worries. I haven't used it in a while so I'm not sure

[pastel yew]

the faster sprint is what I'm talking about though

if you're just looking at the difference it makes from A to B its nothing

even with no other move speed increases

[bitter turtle]

np i downloaded an add on to just dl it directly

thanks for the replying though

[pastel yew]

you're moving 21 meters where you would move 20

[bitter turtle]

small differences matter in a game like this

[obtuse elm]

Bolter or bistol

[bitter turtle]

0.5 seconds is not a short amount of time

[white minnow]

there's a benefit to kiting, in which you have to calculate the difference between the distance you traverse and the distance that enemies traverse

in which case the relative increase from movement speed is greater in that scenario

[bitter turtle]

and keep in mind, going back to run n' gun

[pastel yew]

I mean my general view of all the vet auras is "none of these matter, pick for pathing effiency and surrounding nodes"

[bitter turtle]

im constantly sprinting while shooting

[pastel yew]

because the surrounding nodes are always going to be more impactful

[bitter turtle]

i dont have to park my ass and hold surgical to get a bp

[pastel yew]

the only reason I take the speed, is for agile engagement

[obtuse elm]

What i did fr

[pastel yew]

yee they're dogshit

5% move speed is literally a lesser node

also getting the lesser node to make this happen involves going down a worse path up top imo

[bitter turtle]

5% movespeed is better than half the other auras in the game

ngl

[pastel yew]

the power increase from the left section

is way more impactful than being able to walk away from horde

[bitter turtle]

a lot of people go right for havoc 40 js lol

o4b and movespeed

[pastel yew]

out for blood is really the only good node

I think in regular play its mid

[bitter turtle]

you know

[pastel yew]

the only reason people are going that in havoc I'd imagine is because getting elite kills is less free

[bitter turtle]

i dont even know why im bothering to argue this

auric is casual mode now

and this build is auric only

[pastel yew]

missing out on close order drill

[bitter turtle]

sure, its trash, run n gun is bad

ill just play it and have fun when i do auric lol

[pastel yew]

I mean I'm sorry if I've exacerbated you ? wasnt my intent

was just discussing game stuff

[bitter turtle]

no

i just think your arguments are impossible to overcome when its all feels based

and its a waste of time

[pastel yew]

fair

[bitter turtle]

im showing you video evidence of stuff

but its dismissed as irrelevant

so whats the point lol

[pastel yew]

how often are you walking away from the horde

thats my point?

[bitter turtle]

its not only walking away from hordes

how often does engaging the enemy 10% faster matter

i would say

quite often

for a build that involves diving headfirst i nto gunner lines

[pastel yew]

its not 10% faster though

its 10% base speed faster?

your knife is already giving

infinitely more move speed as %

like 20%+?

just on its own

[bitter turtle]

remember

im sprinting with the bistol

quite often

[pastel yew]

I've not checked the number though but I think its vaguely that

[bitter turtle]

because, run n gun?

[pastel yew]

even bp is giving more speed than this

hol up

+0.59

base speed 5.2

[bitter turtle]

also i just dont think your argument is convincing as to why DA is good

[pastel yew]

yeah

nah I mean honestly you're right on this

[bitter turtle]

like i said it only really matters for reapers

[pastel yew]

though I think mostly because breakpoints have changed

[bitter turtle]

no

ikts always

[pastel yew]

you used to need it for dogs and stuff

[bitter turtle]

been like this lol

i was using bistol pre buff

ig dogs changed sure

but ragers did not

[pastel yew]

you needed it for dog prebuff

you'd just bounce them around

[bitter turtle]

i dont consider dogs a meaningful target

to consider

its like mutants

[pastel yew]

I mean thats fair

[bitter turtle]

yous hoot them sometimes but usually melee

[pastel yew]

it's definitely one of those things that feels bad to not one shot though

especially because they get knocked massively

I will be swapping off of da now though

I'll need to figure out some reliable damage buff

and given the difference it might literally be the damage aura

making this one of two examples where it actually makes a difference from my knowledge

[tall torrent]

nah it doesn't stagger ragers

I wish it did

[bitter turtle]

in auric it does

ive used it for that purpose

[pastel yew]

you're

fucking juking

[bitter turtle]

not out of their combos

[tall torrent]

I tested boltpistol stagger breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

just staggers them while they run at u

[pastel yew]

the 5% aura lets you kill the regular ragers but not the flaks

[tall torrent]

u can't interrupt combo

quite sad

[bitter turtle]

yea

not combo

im just talking about running at you

[tall torrent]

Idrc abt stagger if it doesn't combo break tbh

[bitter turtle]

it increases the range quite a bit

well, it matters in my case for this build

helps a lot when you dive them

since it gives you an extra second to kill another one

[tall torrent]

every stagger breakpoint I test is for interrupting attacks

[bitter turtle]

fair enough

but yea

im talking about non combo stagger

i know its not as great as combo stagger but its a nice tool when you dive them

[pastel yew]

actually not really sure I'm gonna drop da as I'm not sure what else I can really use to make up the difference

for the flak rager

[bitter turtle]

puncture

?

lol

[pastel yew]

gross...

[bitter turtle]

i dont even run puncture but i think it has way more value than DA for bistol

even ignoring havoc

[pastel yew]

I think if I swap off I'd want to swap it off for something that slike

interesting

or fun

I'd probably not run boltpistol in havoc generally

I'm also not likely to play a lot of that mode as it doesnt interest me

[tall torrent]

I think boltpistol is top 4 gun for veteran in havoc

[pastel yew]

for sure

[tall torrent]

plasma
laspistol mk2
boltpistol
recon mk6c

[pastel yew]

real good

laspistol being top tier is the only good thing about havoc

at least I got my rank back

kinda

annoyed I ran 5 shitter missions

before it decided to return

[tall torrent]

there're a lot of things to like about havoc

[pastel yew]

I dunno every time anyone describes high level play

it sounds like all the things I find

not very interesting

dots, cc, limited variety

the main things I like about havoc are the cosmetics and that weekly payout but I dont think I'd ever get hyped to just... play it

[bitter turtle]

while you do your little

surgical build

adsinng

ill play my COOL build

[pastel yew]

why is it

so sped up

[bitter turtle]

its fun to do this shit even in psyk

uh

its not

[pastel yew]

oh its the frame rat

[bitter turtle]

yea gyazo recording is shit

[pastel yew]

yee also did you one shot that flamer with a light

[bitter turtle]

no

thats a heavy

[pastel yew]

oh is that the mk3 heavy 1 or something

[bitter turtle]

mk6

heavy 1

[pastel yew]

ah yes the mk3 is the one I've been using

which has heavy one as a stab

I really did not like the feel of the other knife

I'm a sucker for thrust or stabby weapons though....

the brit in my blood

[bitter turtle]

mk6 is almost a complete upgrade from mk3

[pastel yew]

probably I mean

not gonna stop me using it though

mk3 is plenty good enough and feels better

the moveset is fun

it feels very dynamic ig

and from my testing with the other one it just didnt click or feel as nice

I imagine the horde clear is faster on the other mk but eh

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message
this is how this build plays (kinda, its just killing rando targets standing around in psyk, but yea)

btw

special action on mk6 is much worse

you cant chain it into another special action

it just doesnt matter because push attacking is better anyway

[pastel yew]

its a punch as well on the mk6 or?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[pastel yew]

weird

[bitter turtle]

i used to use punch cancel

but honestly

its not reliable either

sec

[pastel yew]

no?

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=23&v=uNyR4QNLXu8&feature=youtu.be

average lacerate knife user dmg output :^)

[pastel yew]

oh yo wtf

that hasnt happened to me before

[bitter turtle]

(if you do the cancels too fast it does not register the actual attack)

[serene bough]

Throwing gang signs

[bitter turtle]

it would happen to me sometimes bc im going too fast

[pastel yew]

how old is this video?

[bitter turtle]

was really

annoying

i mean there is a date on it

[pastel yew]

and this is mk3 or 6?

[bitter turtle]

mk3

u cant do this on mk6

i told you

[pastel yew]

theres no date on the discord embed

[bitter turtle]

you cant cancel special into another special on mk6

let me see if i can do it again rn

i doubt it was changed

[pastel yew]

ngl I'm

doing this I think as fast as is possible

or at least as fast as I can do it

and I'm not getting any misses

how consistent is it

[bitter turtle]

i mean

u saw me in the video

[pastel yew]

oh no

I got it

[bitter turtle]

once i got the tempo down

i could do it like 10 times in a row

lol

[pastel yew]

but only if special is chained yea

never on the initial

[bitter turtle]

also it only needs to happen once to troll you

[pastel yew]

true as fuck

especially against a crusher

I'd be pretty pissed if I ate an overhead because of that

there's no greater mark of shame than getting hit by an overhead in this game

[bitter turtle]

ugh

i cant do it anymore

lost all my mk3 muscle memory

[pastel yew]

like being killed by a level 1 grunt in darksouls

[pastel yew]

I believe you like

I got it to happen

it just wont happen on the initial one

only ever a follow up

[bitter turtle]

ya im glad you did cause i cant do it anymore lol

and yeah

[pastel yew]

maybe thats just because low chance

I cant get it to happen in regular combo

but if I go punch > special light > repeat

its very consistent

weirdly I dont think its

actually as fast as you can get it

I think its slightly slowert

I just hit 4 in a row

maybe I'm tripping though

nah its a rthym I got it down

thats so stupid

[bitter turtle]

i remember the conclusion i came to (Because nobody else talked about it) was that you were cancelling before the knife animation finished

so it doesnt do dmg

i actually found out about it first when i was trying to get mk3 executor to work

i was like

what if i did special into knife stab really fast

since the punch will stack executor

but doing it fast, the punch never landed

and i realized that its not just the punch that works that way

[pastel yew]

it might be that this has happened and I've just never noticed it

I only have like 2 days of using this weapon properly

but if this does happen consistently enough yeah I'll have to stop

[bitter turtle]

mk6 has a similar problem actually, if you try to block cancel for h1 h2

[pastel yew]

ngl I'd be sad though as the punch is at least 20% of the reason I'm using the weapon

[bitter turtle]

i just dont block cancel so its not a problem for me

[pastel yew]

I've definitely had an issue with cancelling out of my attacks a lot

the thing attacks so fast it cancels itself

just a practice dif though

not as much of a problem now

though yeah I still think DA is good for running the weapon as more of a marksman build where you're shooting is the primary uptime, mostly because I cant find a neat buff to deal with the armored rager

5% damage aura fails me again

either way

make the 5% speed aura 10%

remove the damage aura make it something else... anything else

[bitter turtle]

this doesnt really show it well

bc the shitty framerate

but yea doing block cancel too fast on mk6 has a similar problem

[pastel yew]

that looks really annoying

I can see what you're getting across

[bitter turtle]

thats why i dont do block cancel

if the framerate was better

[pastel yew]

tbf its not like the recovery is long

[bitter turtle]

you'd see that the arm actually swiped across his head

lol

its hard to see with the framerate

[pastel yew]

I can see it I mean

it helps you told me the issue ahead of time

[bitter turtle]

tbh

i also just dont think your comparison of bistol with laspistol but not vovler makes sense

revolver has 70 shots

bistol has 100

laspistol has 300

bistol is way closer to revo in ammo count

[pastel yew]

I compare the two because to me they're weapons you use against the same targets

[bitter turtle]

and the dmg profile is way closer

to revo

[pastel yew]

the laspistol and the boltpistol compete for the same stuff

but the revolver is doing other shit too

also the revolver playstyle is radically different

[bitter turtle]

i dont really agree with that

[pastel yew]

you're basically never using it without ws

[bitter turtle]

laspistol is something you are using constantly outside to maintain ghost

bistol you swap to just to snipe specials

[pastel yew]

boltpistol and laspistol are totally okay without ws

I mean I use them identically ngl

[bitter turtle]

that is only cause zarona has slow reload

agri does not need WS

[pastel yew]

mhm

cowboy revolver is cool too

but

the innacuracy is very annoying

[bitter turtle]

its not innacurate if you just dont move while shooting

[pastel yew]

its innacurate enough as to not consistently hit heads at range iric

iirc

[bitter turtle]

it can

[pastel yew]

which is enough to make me dislike it

[bitter turtle]

as long as you dont move while you shoot

sec

[austere mica]

Its unyielding mod is so incredibly stupid

Its like the highest ADM in the game

against anything

[pastel yew]

at just under 30m

I'm missing the ogryns head occasionally

and he's got a mega head

[bitter turtle]

not having this problem on gunner

i can go out further

if you want

i know this is possible

because i got into an argument with plush

[pastel yew]

at 30m I hit 1/5 shots

[bitter turtle]

about bistol vs agri vovler

lol

[austere mica]

This shit normal

[bitter turtle]

and HE recorded shooting at 40m+ accurately with agri

[pastel yew]

its so cool what do you meaan

I love the shitty boss killing build with trick shooter

[austere mica]

I mean in a good way

Its stupid in the funny good way

[pastel yew]

what am I doing wrong then

I am confuse

[austere mica]

I am an avid agrivolver activist

[bitter turtle]

sec im gonna find his vid

[pastel yew]

standing still

waiting for the click for full reset

[austere mica]

Deadshot

They run deadshot

(I do too)

[pastel yew]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that makes

[bitter turtle]

yea

[pastel yew]

that applies??????????

[bitter turtle]

you run deadshot

[austere mica]

Helps with fan fire crits

[bitter turtle]

i uh

dont know why you wouldnt run deadshot

[pastel yew]

very cool

[bitter turtle]

so i assumed you did

[austere mica]

It gets you an easy 50% starting crit for fan fire

[pastel yew]

it just didnt occur to me that the sway reduction would affect it

given the weapon isnt swaying

[austere mica]

I run with weapon spec so I run crucian hand cannon

[pastel yew]

or at least my crosshair doesnt sway

[austere mica]

I can on average dumpster a crusher in a single cylinder

[bitter turtle]

i run sustained fire on mine

or surgical when i want to play zarona revolver but not zarona

[austere mica]

Killing yooooouuuuuu

[bitter turtle]

cant find his vid

oh well

since u already know why now

[pastel yew]

okay even with deadshot

its still missing

not every shot naturally but

often enough

[bitter turtle]

ok

fine

ill keep looking

ugh

[pastel yew]

nah I mean

whats the video going to show?

is there some tech in there or what

[bitter turtle]

idk

maybe you'll see something and realize you werent doing it

[pastel yew]

true

I'm standing still, with deadshot active

is there some other thing I need?

also as a question, does the alt aim get affected by suppression?

regular hipfire doesnt

either way, its accurate enough like this for mid rangte

I do really like this weapon

[austere mica]

This what I run btw

[pastel yew]

I saw someone aim botting with it once though, only guaranteed cheater I've encountered

[bitter turtle]

oh no

[the video is dead

#veteran-class message

lel

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/funeral-flowers-grave-gif-5518042

[obtuse elm]

Bolter or bistol

[bitter turtle]

there i made one

lol

[pastel yew]

hmmmh mm

[bitter turtle]

i mean practically speaking you are not shooting at this range anyway

the accuracy becomes dumpster if you move though (unlike bistol)

[austere mica]

Depends, bistol is more of a short bursts pocket sniper and bolter is more commitment magdumps and anti gunner

[pastel yew]

okay I have a crosshair replacer

my crosshair is a literal dot

its either not guaranteed

or the crosshair is off

bolt pistol is better weapon imo but

bolter exec stance hits different

[bitter turtle]

at practical ranges

[obtuse elm]

I’ll probably keep bolter for the hordes of mutants charging at me

[bitter turtle]

i think its guaranteed as long as you stand still

[pastel yew]

mhm yeah I'd consider 30m ogryn head practical though

and also standing still

also crouching

it's a cool weapon just

a little love and it'd be great

still very fun

likely wouldnt use it without exec stance though for that high noon gameplay

[obtuse elm]

They should make the explosion apply bleed for the bolter

[bitter turtle]

idk

[austere mica]

Would be strong on BP

Lethal prox puncture would be nasty as hell

long shooting with agri isn't super useful

Just run full right tree and pack smokes

Gunners suddenly aren't real

[obtuse elm]

I always feel like John Cadia when I mag dump a daemonhost

[bitter turtle]

no crouching

[pastel yew]

does crouching not actually make an accuracy d.........

discord light mode..

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[pastel yew]

accuracy difference

[bitter turtle]

i also like pinapple on pizza

[pastel yew]

my eyes are too goblin

[bitter turtle]

i gues slight mode users just have better eyes

[pastel yew]

for lightmode anything

I can see in the dark like a mother fucker

though yeah I'm heat/light sensitive autistic

so

[bitter turtle]

anyway last one was no crouch

[pastel yew]

light mode aint ideal

[austere mica]

Crouching makes everything slightly more accurate

Except for stuff that always has dead aim like staves and plasma

[pastel yew]

I''m definitely missing shots I dunno

it might genuinely be a crosshair issue

[bitter turtle]

no crouch and faster shots

[pastel yew]

which would be really annoying

on the very first shot about halfway in

[bitter turtle]

dark mode user issue

clearly

[pastel yew]

truly

hidden debuff

it might be crosshair related

aaaaaaaaaa

it's fine in every other situation but it does annoy me if thats the cause

[pastel yew]

I hate the defaul crosshair for so many weapons

[bitter turtle]

now run n gun bistol can make these shots (semi) consistently while sprinting and strafing :^)

[pastel yew]

true but then I need to run forward

usually when I've got my ranged weapon out I'm mid horde dodging back to get something thats annoying my melee simulator

like a sniper or gunner

also as a question why is the mk6 so much better?

[bitter turtle]

it has a

semi

okay

[pastel yew]

is it just horde clear related as I expected ot

or

[bitter turtle]

horde option (heavies)

while losing absolutely nothing in single target dmg since you just push attack anyway

[pastel yew]

mmh

maybe I'll give it another go but

man the moveset on the mk3 feels good

horde clear is definitely a bit of a pain point

with ws its not so bad though

feel thats kinda cheating as no weapon has bad horde clear with ws

[bitter turtle]

btw

thats why lethal explosion + run n gun is my preferred loadout

[pastel yew]

for the stagger?

to make room for the sprint

[bitter turtle]

staggers the horde

staggers the gunners

[bitter turtle]

can stop gunners from shooting you just by shooting one of them

[pastel yew]

for the way you play I can see this being useful

though when I'm on vet usually it's kill all ranged elites that are problematic > melee

its not very common to have a group spawn

so its just dodge and one shot whichever appears

the combat blade has been surprisingly fun though

I mostly put it off as it wasnt exactly the most interesting looking weapon but the speed is cool

its play style is pretty radically different than other weapons which is nice

[bitter turtle]

if you're knee deep in shit too

helps makes some space

and this is what i meanet about rager stagger being useful even if it fcant break their combo

[pastel yew]

yeah its proactive rather than defensive

honestly I dont really find ragers particularly troublesome when you have a ranged weapon like the bolt pistol anyway

being able to stagger their combo would be nice for some team support though

[frail skiff]

Is there any reason to use rending strikes if I'm using a bolter?

[radiant chasm]

Not really, maybe shattering puncture vs carapace

Help keep your breakpoints consistent

[frail skiff]

Been using Surgical and pinning

Been treating it more like an AMR

[cyan verge]

puncture + pinning fire

[frail skiff]

Is there a limit on the bleed stacks?

[austere mica]

16

[frail skiff]

So it will add some nice damge to unload it on a boss

[austere mica]

Ye Olde Bleed Table™️

[frail skiff]

Interesting

The bolter already does immense damage. Would you really get any milage out of those bleed stacks outside of a boss?

[paper brook]

Yo just came back from months of not playing this game, is the columnus still really good?

the autogun

[frail skiff]

Still good

Just ammo hungry

So it will suffer on high level havoc with reduced ammo pick up

[austere mica]

Hits a specific breakpoint for crusher 4 tap bodyshot with shattering

Only relevant because Zealot can do it

[frail skiff]

Wait, so zealot can only do that break point?

[austere mica]

No, everyone can

[frail skiff]

Ah

[austere mica]

Its just important because zealot has

2

Ranged boosts

[frail skiff]

I see

So shattering and puncture will go down in 2 burst hip-fire

[tall torrent]

Yes, it helps with breakpoints

[pale sand]

It's also super good with that crit bleed perk

[tall torrent]

There’s no crit bleed thing for Boltgun

[pale sand]

That's on the zealot tho

[austere mica]

Scourge is

1

stack of bleed

[pale sand]

Talent my bad*

[tall torrent]

Scourge is 2 stacks of bleed on melee crit

[austere mica]

Oh shit an entire 6 extra damage

[pale sand]

Bleeding enemies boost your chance or something like that

[austere mica]

Hitting a bleeding enemy

[pale sand]

Ah

Maybe confusing it with the ogryn talent for toughness then

[pastel yew]

it didnt get nerfed or anything

unless its been a reaaaaally long time since you've not played

[hollow ibex]

well the columnus definitely isn't as good as it used to be

the vraks on the other hand...

[frail skiff]

Good thing I had a second perfect roll bolter to test this out

[pastel yew]

aint no way its... cheaper to craft a whole other bolter than just swap the blessing

[frail skiff]

Truuuue, but I don't feel like switching shit around when I can just have 2

[pale sand]

XCABAL isn't concerned with paltry material grievances, plebiscite.

[frail skiff]

Damn straight

I have like 3 different version of the same gun for different builds

Cause either I don't feel like changing the mark or pissing time away going to Hadron to switch something

[dim niche]

Unc should i up the switch on the heretics?

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

cries in poverty

[steep pier]

did they nerf combat shovel

also helbore is still good

i can 2 hit a crusher to head with my helbore

[austere mica]

I don't think they've touched shovel in a while

[steep pier]

with a crit

one crit second hit kills

[austere mica]

When was last you played

[steep pier]

i just got back on my vet today

i just 2 days ago

got auric storm survivor

by doing 4 runs with ogryn

[frail skiff]

I like the helbore, but it feels too unwieldly at times when you need it on demand

[steep pier]

i had 1 alreadu

i like the one with the slash special attack

and every since i made my vet

i've used helbore

as long as i remember

[austere mica]

I mean before that

[steep pier]

ohh

[austere mica]

It sounds as though you've taken a break

[steep pier]

probably last month

i took a break from using vet

[austere mica]

Oh yeah literally unchanged

[steep pier]

i play all 4 classes

[austere mica]

Havoc viability is still very out there if thats what you're asking

[steep pier]

my vet only has 48 penances done

[undone lotus]

Best melee weapon for hordes?

[steep pier]

others have at least 50

[austere mica]

update has been out for 8 days

[steep pier]

i need 3 more on psyker

[austere mica]

Depends, lots of stuff is good

There are also different kinds of hordes

[undone lotus]

Overall

[steep pier]

and im currently trying to do be your best on ogryn

[austere mica]

Trash and mixed

[frail skiff]

Power Sword is good for mixed

[steep pier]

moebian hordes

[gilded wraith]

If you invest points, Rashad.

[austere mica]

Probably PS or rashad

[steep pier]

have armor

which is a havoc thing

[frail skiff]

Rashad literally does everything

[pale sand]

The catachan devil claw is good too

[steep pier]

its not good vs crushers

[austere mica]

yeah I hate it

[steep pier]

unless you get some decent stamina

[undone lotus]

That's what I'm currently using but I'm growing stale with it

[hollow ibex]

Rashad is the best

[gilded wraith]

PS without melee talent invested.

[austere mica]

Live parry oneshot reaction

[steep pier]

lol

if you don't have enough stamina on the hit

you get one hit

[frail skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1293202529399869572/Rashad.gif?ex=675b8cf5&is=675a3b75&hm=f42084a4dbe816ebb0b666a102b80cb11ba0e9fa28b511909bf13489456fa2f1&

[austere mica]

Perfect parries consume less

[steep pier]

good

ive been using chain axe

and crusher on zealot

i really like crusher

also apparently in 2025

[pale sand]

What is the like tech with the parry I've forgotten. Is it parry block or block parry?

[austere mica]

Crusher is cool but like

[steep pier]

vet gets their new weapon

[austere mica]

PGS is just sooo peak

[steep pier]

lol

its nice

[austere mica]

Dclaw special attack

[frail skiff]

Any hint to what this helgun new weapon is?

[austere mica]

Oh wait tech

[steep pier]

i use crusher on a momentum build

[austere mica]

uhhh

idk

[steep pier]

over rgs

nope

just heard it in passing

[pale sand]

Did they give the crusher slaughterer or did I just miss it because I have a pea brain?

[steep pier]

lol

[pale sand]

Opportunist I don't remember existing either.

[steep pier]

i want to get the krieg calvary skin for ds

for my vet

i got the black krieger outfit on my vet

not the blue

[austere mica]

Yep

It had

4

blessings

all impact

[pale sand]

I think I have the old one as well. Weird they didn't bundle the old and new release. Double the money one would think.

[steep pier]

true

[pale sand]

ogrynomics

[austere mica]

Krieg is the best selling outfit

By like

a lot

and they put it on for a platform drop

[pale sand]

That's because Kreig is the reddit faction
Redditors are furries
Furries are IT techs
IT Techs are nerds
Nerd like Warhammer
Warhammer Nerds have disposable income
Ergo

[austere mica]

New pipeline just dropped

And no, discord is the furry platform

[pale sand]

And it works exactly like that no dilenation whatsoever, obese cetacean make me your marketing exec

I dunno they wax and wane between being the broomer and furry platforms

In an ever constant battle with each other

[bitter turtle]

I didn't know I was a furry IT tech

😭

[pale sand]

They RUN THE INDUSTRY MAN

[fallen sinew]

How do you do, fellow veterans

[pale sand]

The numbers are staggering that's how they commission so much art.

[pastel yew]

my condolences, I'm sorry that this is how you found out

least you make bank

[cyan verge]

return to zealot chat, psyker

[celest rock]

Tried out the Accatran shotgun, running scattershot and flechette

Wondering if No Respite would be better?

[austere mica]

Uhhh

Which one is that?

It’s the fire one right

New shotgun names suck

[placid portal]

Should be using Manstopper Flechette Buckshot Weapon Specialist

But yes No respite is pretty free as a blessing

[bitter turtle]

man

i would totally accept being a furry IT tech if I got their paycheck

[trim steppe]

Since the patch, one of my mods is crashing me when I try to equip a stim or pick up a battery. Anyone have this issue and resolve it?

[pastel yew]

me too ;-;

[pastel yew]

update all your mods

[trim steppe]

I did

Well all the ones I could find

[pastel yew]

well then you get to do the really fun thing of

disabling half your mods

opening the psykanium

seeing if it crashes you

enabling or disabling half

till you figure out what the problem mod or mods are

[trim steppe]

Thats what I'm doing, I was asking if someone else already had the answer so I didn't have to lol

[pastel yew]

not on my end at least

I'll assume you've already tried all the mods that could affect stims?

[trim steppe]

Yeah I started there and didn't find anything

[pastel yew]

at least you can filter out those mods from the search

how many do you have total?

[trim steppe]

like 26ish

[trim steppe]

Alright I found it. Crosshair Remap.

It wasn't the patch, I must have fiddled with something and now its trying to put a crosshair on my stims and batteries and crashing out

[hollow bane]

If I complete other people's havocs do I unlock that level?

[trim steppe]

Yes, but your own rank (what you can host) stays the same until the end of the week

[hollow bane]

So at the end of the week I'd get loot as if I done say a 40? But can have my own hostable be 17?

[trim steppe]

Yeah if you're at 17 but you join and win a 40, at the end of the week you get a lvl 40 crate and your rank becomes 40 so you can host 40s. But until the end of the week you're still 17 and can only host 17s

[hollow bane]

Ok thanks

[autumn nacelle]

hey guys whats the dump stat for bolter?

[peak tree]

ideal Dueling sword perks, and what's the hellbore dump stat if any?

[placid portal]

Stability or Ammo

But stability is likely the dumpstat bc the gun is super stable

even under suppression

[peak tree]

danke

[grand perch]

It is stability indeed

[placid portal]

It's so stable you can even jump shoot this thing

[cyan verge]

also acctuhalhly it's a boltgun the bolter is a different weapon used by the astartes 🤓

[placid portal]

Astar-deez nuts

[peak tree]

mobility.

Generally speaking if a weapon has mobility, that's the dump stat.

[austere mica]

Collateral also works

It’s only stagger

[placid portal]

Bulwark stagger threshold is buff no? I remember like 70~% collat to break open bulwark in 1 shot

[cyan verge]

only on some weapons with generally weak enough stagger

the #1 like always dump stat is defences though

can't think of one weapon like "make sure u have 80 defences" even on the shield

[placid portal]

1% Defense Brunt when

[broken spade]

force greatsword on psyker