veteran-class

[inland orchid]

all gallows humor

anything else is deemed heresy

[ivory rock]

I read Bolt Pistol dump is collat how we feelin bout this ones potential

[paper trellis]

How do you optimize shock maul? It always feels a little weak but I’m fairly certain it’s user error

[tall torrent]

Do u have skullcrusher on it

[hollow sphinx]

Real quick what melee weapon would you reccomend

[umbral scaffold]

Can someone help?

[paper trellis]

No

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s why

[paper trellis]

Ahh

[proper jasper]

anyone know a cool shredder auto pistol build?

[umbral scaffold]

its saying you when playing in party not able to undertake havoc assignment

[red laurel]

Just found out Veteran is invulnerable to pox gas if Catch a Breath is on

[orchid hemlock]

my dude

[tall torrent]

Not true
Pox gas does way more damage than CaB’s regen rate

[umbral scaffold]

help

[orchid hemlock]

tell your teamates to look at this and tell them to tell you what it says

[umbral scaffold]

my teammates disbanded

it was random

[orchid hemlock]

ok u cant play havoc without at least 2 people

[umbral scaffold]

thats not the issue. I am getting this message

[bitter turtle]

Rashad combat 🪓

[umbral scaffold]

but its saying you when playing in party not able to undertake havoc assignment

\

Bro help

[bitter turtle]

Power sword if you're ok with being slower

[crisp oak]

Mk 1 standard issue shovel

[orchid hemlock]

then someone didn't finish the requirement for dukane

that's their problem not yours

[red laurel]

Smoke Grenade and Close and Kill

[umbral scaffold]

what am i supposed to do now?

[hollow sphinx]

Rashad? I might be a mong but what actually is it , an axe

[orchid hemlock]

find other people

[bitter turtle]

In auric it's perfectly playable

[crisp oak]

Combat axe

[bitter turtle]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Rashad_Mk_II_Combat_Axe

[crisp oak]

Gives you real fireman energy

[red laurel]

That's not a high bar to clear

[bitter turtle]

Let me rephrase

You can easily carry with this build in auric

[red laurel]

No that would by Achlys

[bitter turtle]

In havoc the sole problem is no survivalist

Smoke grenades are good

[crisp oak]

Counter point, por que no los dos

[bitter turtle]

Better than krak meme anyway

[umbral parrot]

Hold the phone~!

[bitter turtle]

They already bugfixed and buffed them to being good

[umbral parrot]

Smokes need a major buff....or rewo-

[bitter turtle]

If you think psyker dome is good its the same shit

[umbral parrot]

Wait, when?

[red laurel]

Any build with Stealth can do that

[bitter turtle]

Except it doesn't go down in 6 seconds in havoc 40

[frank ledge]

Fellow veterans

is this it

is my gambling over?

[crisp oak]

No, its never ogre

[frank ledge]

After 8 million dockets

[umbral parrot]

Smoke is still too weak. I would say it needs a larger radius for smoke to be good

[frank ledge]

I have done it

https://tenor.com/view/victory-winner-yeah-yes-shout-gif-17101142

[red laurel]

Only now I noticed I got to the tier of Iron Will. What should I replace with it?

[bitter turtle]

It neuters half the specialists and makes you immune to gunners, what else do you want

From a regenerating utility blitz

[crisp oak]

I want it to do damage

[bitter turtle]

You're right

It should do shredder bleed in the cloud

[umbral parrot]

I play smoke, have been since Patch 13. Love the 10% melee damage. But they need help.

[crisp oak]

[bitter turtle]

Do you do havoc

[crisp oak]

I was thinking more box

[umbral parrot]

Faster smoke deployment, larger radius

[bitter turtle]

If you do 35+ havoc you will understand why it's useful

[red laurel]

And it should do Friendly Fire. Coded especially for this

[bitter turtle]

Shredder is still best though

[crisp oak]

Throw box, engulf smoke that breaks enemy ai like zealot stealth

[umbral parrot]

No fair. I have not reached it yet. No Internet.

[crisp oak]

Heck even in 20s the gunners are annoying

[umbral parrot]

Still, I cannot in good faith recommend it to anyone.

[bitter turtle]

Yeah when you reach the mode where gunners will literally kill you 50m away for peeking

[red laurel]

^

[bitter turtle]

You will understand why being immune to gunners for 15 /30 sec is good

[crisp oak]

And crushers ignore wounds

[bitter turtle]

Dome regularly goes down in 6 seconds (minimum time)

Since it's eating so much gunfire

[crisp oak]

Dodge crit chance maybe

Only node I see there than can be moved at all

[bitter turtle]

And it's useful for more than just gunners too

#veteran-class message

#veteran-class message

#veteran-class message

[umbral parrot]

The issue with smokes is that they do not deploy when you need them in a pinch. Do you get shot by gunners and have enough time to deploy smokes, or do you drop smokes before gunners blast you apart?

If the former, won't faster deployment of smoke buff would be awesome? If the latter, normal grenades or 1 tap plasma would be better?

[bitter turtle]

The point of dome/smoke is to create space because you're pinned down by 30 gunners

So you should be deploying it preemptively

[grand perch]

i too think smokes should deploy faster

on par with zealot fire nades would be best

[elder fiber]

I think they should deploy even slower

[grand perch]

and i think theyr e good even outside havoc

[bitter turtle]

I think they should deploy only in the next game

At random intervals

[bitter turtle]

They are but I concede they aren't necessary or particularly useful if you're already a god gamer that dodge slides everywhere

[elder fiber]

Thats how we get purge vent modifier

[bitter turtle]

But what is necessary, etc

[grand perch]

who hurt you

[umbral scaffold]

When does havoc get actually hard?

I heard people get stuck ag 20-22?

[vital wren]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[crisp oak]

Varies on luck tbh

Sometimes you get screwed (tox gas, pus hardened, goo, fading light)

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna push it even more

But the matchmaking is a chore

At least people don't dare to leave

[paper trellis]

Showing the value of smokes again? Tbf you use actual evidence and are quite convincing

[umbral scaffold]

I'd try smoke and krak

If my team could deal with hordes

But they can't

[paper trellis]

I thought it was 71 for the charge rate and 69 heat management. Looks like the one I have

[paper trellis]

Kraks would be more valuable if it didn’t take nearly 2 seconds for them to arm

Once I have my krak penance done I’m phasing them out of my builds

[umbral scaffold]

500 enemies doesn't sound that long

[bitter turtle]

I would say early 20s is where it's harder than auric

30s is when teamwork needs to be on point

Hard to drag a body over the finish line at that point

[paper trellis]

Problem is that things die before the kraks finally go off

[tall torrent]

I think what smokes need is a higher stagger value (to be able to stagger ragers & maulers)

[candid agate]

you should regen toughness in smoke i think

[bitter turtle]

smoke is actually full of stims (drugs) to heal you

[red laurel]

Is Born Leader a good Talent?

[candid agate]

marijuana grenades

[paper trellis]

That would be pretty neat. Could be justified as you having a moment to recenter and get back into the fight with a clear head

[gilded wraith]

Did it survive empowerment?

[candid agate]

yeah, would also make it useful for situations without shooters

[bitter turtle]

not really good

but nothing on that line is good

so pick your poison

[paper trellis]

Tho honestly I do think any enemy in smokes should be highlighted as long as they are in it

[red laurel]

For the Emperor does not sound bad

[bitter turtle]

5 seconds is very short for such a low buff (10%)

still

its the one i use in aurics

i use suppression +50% in havoc

[paper trellis]

What makes you say that? A consistent regen of toughness for the party, even if small does help with chip damage

[red laurel]

More Executioner's Stance procs

[paper trellis]

Suppression is probably the most practical yes, but I would say shield regen is bad

[bitter turtle]

in aurics it is not needed and in havocs its not enough to matter, your toughness ios etiher at 100% or 0% lol

its just incredibly small

the only point of it is that shout gives a bit more toughness to your team

[paper trellis]

Tbf it has a very high uptime if you are running voc. Not so much the other two abilities

[candid agate]

which one is born leader again

[paper trellis]

Your party gets a fraction of any toughness you regen

[candid agate]

oh that one

[tall torrent]

Like 22 extra in havoc

Going from 50 to 72

It’s ok

[paper trellis]

I’m pretty sure it includes the toughness restored by shout, but could be mistaken

[bitter turtle]

it does

and that's basically the only half decent part about it

in terms of toughness gain on kill its like lower than 3%

and 3% is being generous

because that would mean you gained 21% toughness on a kill for yourself

[paper trellis]

I do generally agree that the suppression bonus is the most practical tho. Suppression is a rather strong cc

[bitter turtle]

i would never take it in auric

suppression i mean

but for havoc the shooters are such a problem that you cant rambo in and kill them all anyway

[tall torrent]

Does KTHD notably help

[bitter turtle]

i honestly

have no idea

i see other people use it tho

so im gonna just say "yeah sure idk maybe its just placebo"

lol

cant test easily

[tall torrent]

I do realize 1 thing with suppression

It makes ranged enemies shoot way less accurately

But it doesn’t last very long

[bitter turtle]

yea

but even a fraction of a second helps

given how fucking vicious the gunfire gets

[tall torrent]

Actually

Lemme show u smth

[bitter turtle]

id consider FTE but its useless for infiltrate

since it activates on stealth rather than on stealth break

[frank ledge]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

unlike every other ability buff

for some reason

[paper trellis]

Tbf I’m fairly certain you can suppress melee units too since infiltration suppresses anything short of a monstrosity

[bitter turtle]

you wont be suppressing any melee units that matter either way

[paper trellis]

And yeah, fte is terrible with infiltrate

[bitter turtle]

they are suppression immune after all

[tall torrent]

no, suppression does not work on most enemies

infiltrate has a separate stagger effect that's not written

[paper trellis]

Ahh my mistake

The game lied to me

[tall torrent]

@bitter turtle look at their accuracy loss

[bitter turtle]

yeah

thats not bad at all

[tall torrent]

It just doesn’t last very long

[bitter turtle]

enough for someone caught out to slide into cover at least

[tall torrent]

U need like

2 plasma shots to make every shooter cower

[bitter turtle]

if only you could suppress shotgunners

[paper trellis]

Is there anywhere to check to what degree the collateral stat affects suppression?

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother checking

If collateral doesn’t impact stagger notably, it’s pure dump

[paper trellis]

I wonder why fatshark put it on recon lasgun then

Since it functionally has no stagger

[crude fiber]

Giving it stopping power would be too good I guess

[paper trellis]

Well it’s a multiplier. 0 x 1.2 is still 0

[bitter turtle]

Same reason they put stability on it

[paper trellis]

To fuck with the players heads?

[red laurel]

Is Competitive Urge good?

[paper trellis]

How much does rngesus love you?

[tall torrent]

No

[red laurel]

What is good then?

[crisp oak]

Could drop rending strikes

For shouty if you dont have it

[torpid grotto]

Does voc give flat toughness to teammates

Or %

[red laurel]

What's Shouty?

[obtuse elm]

What builds do yall like for the boltgun?

[obtuse elm]

VoC

Voice of command

[red laurel]

Screenshot includes VoC

[vital wren]

I thought Shouty was what the Ogryn called the Zealot 😉

[ivory rock]

Does Lethal Proximity on Bolt Pistol affect all explosion aoe on your chara or just the shot?

[red laurel]

I want to switch off of Autogun and I'm thinking of the Helbore Lasgun. What is the difference between the marks?

[ivory rock]

Time to charge the shot and how much damage a charged shot does

I like 5 cause it's kind of the middleground charge time but still has good charged damage

[crisp oak]

Keystone

Its the node below whats in your screenshot (after the extra ogryn damage node)

What are you trying to make by the way?

[manic echo]

what range wep should I use for killing special/elite from afar

if there any

or close range gun is fine too ig

[red laurel]

Just a build for levelling my Veteran. Shout as to not die, melee is Shock Maul, Ranged is just something to pop essential grapes

[tiny valve]

Just the shot guessing by how its the weapon mastery not character mastery

I am a strong advocate of using the bolt pistol as a quick draw revolver

[tall torrent]

No

[tiny valve]

DAmn

[tall torrent]

All explosions

[tiny valve]

That makes literally no sense

[ivory rock]

oh yeah my grenade build boutta go dummy

[tiny valve]

I thought that perks in weapon mastery only affected that weapon type?

[tall torrent]

Usually, yes

[red laurel]

Ah yeah. How do you operate the Helbore Lasgun? As in how do you charge it and stuff

[tiny valve]

This makes even less sense

[tall torrent]

Hold mouse 1

[tiny valve]

Hold down the trigger

[ivory rock]

just hold to fire, its a good ads weapon

[red laurel]

[ivory rock]

headhunter keystone or whatever its called on mk v from distance can be nutsss

[tiny valve]

I installed the game last week whats headhunter keystone?

[tall torrent]

Left side veteran keystone is called marksman’s focus

Very weakspot hit centric

[tiny valve]

Ohh right

[agile mango]

vraks 5 or plasma?

[tiny valve]

Yes I know that one

[red laurel]

Oh no the iron sights on the Helbore are god awful

[tiny valve]

I'm going for middle keystone one then about marking targets

[tall torrent]

Yea

[red laurel]

So I shall switch

[tiny valve]

I just don't like ironsights in general on most guns icl, unfortunately for somereason I hate the scope on the lasgun even more.

[ivory rock]

coughs at weapon customization mod

[tiny valve]

sneezes in console player

[tall torrent]

(It’s very unstable)

[red laurel]

Link?

[ivory rock]

Surely we'll get the BG3 mod support on console treatment for yall soon

[ivory rock]

did it break recently or sumn?>

[tall torrent]

It’s always been unstable

Causes crashes more than just about any other mod

[ivory rock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277

[red laurel]

Thank you

[ivory rock]

huh weird never had trouble w it before but zamn

[serene bough]

what is it with people making havoc lobbies and not starting the game

[thick needle]

Are Strength and Power the same thing

[chilly crescent]

Hello fellows

What's the uh

Build for havoc that we've decided is best

[thick needle]

Power Sword & either Plasma Gun or Bolter

[orchid hemlock]

@radiant chasm

[chilly crescent]

I meant like the perk tree

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-cat-disco-catjamming-gif-16989864924126703156

[thick needle]

Take Field Improvisation

[chilly crescent]

That's not specific enough for me lol

[bitter turtle]

Have not seen a single psword in havoc 40

Ds4 + laspistol/recon/plasma are the three I've seen

[thick needle]

This is what I've been running
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db1bb3c-4a41-4124-a4a8-44cb22fa6503/auric-by-dummies

[bitter turtle]

Take both demo team and demo stockpile bc grenades are one of your biggest contributions

[thick needle]

Wait I know the Crit Recon bit but what's Laspistol doing in 40

[tall torrent]

ghost

[bitter turtle]

Infernus and ghost

[tall torrent]

way better flak ADM as well

[chilly crescent]

Nobody has a link to that website that just shows the perk tree you're using for havoc?

[bitter turtle]

Mine is infiltrate

Still want it?

[tall torrent]

it depends on role/weapons you use

[bitter turtle]

Lol

And yea I've cleared 40 multiple times with it

[thick needle]

Let's see it

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

Scoreboard from my last clear

Before anyone claims I'm getting carried bc no voc

[red laurel]

What settings should I put on Extended Weapon Customisation? All I want from the mod is to have something other than Iron Sights

[chilly crescent]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db1c16e-8e85-4d92-8fce-ae95d9e0cb87/havoc-maybe

Wat change

[bitter turtle]

Kraks suck

Take demo team and shredders

[chilly crescent]

I'm a psyker but apparently veterans are best for havoc

[bitter turtle]

No

[chilly crescent]

So he's being unretired

[tall torrent]

this whole entire build is wrong on many levels

[chilly crescent]

It's very old

[tall torrent]

onslaught for power sword and plasma is like
one of the choices of all time

[bitter turtle]

Psyker is extremely good

[chilly crescent]

Like prior to optimizing, prior to weapon updates, etc

[bitter turtle]

Who the fuck told you they are not good lol

[tall torrent]

nah, psyker is the best class in the game

it is what it is

[regal vector]

So, avoiding that melee hit for overwatch is wild. almost went the whole match. But making it to the almost end of the match then dodging off an edge , not getting pulled up, then revived in a crazy horde to get whacked and fail is depressing.

[red laurel]

@tall torrent could you tell me please?

[tall torrent]

brain burst + inferno staff + bubble
resource free anti-elite & anti-ranged

[chilly crescent]

Let me rephrase. I'm a gun psyker 😵‍💫 there isn't much ammo in the higher level havoc runs.

[tall torrent]

voidblast staff for insane stagger

[bitter turtle]

I hesitate to rate them better than zealot for havoc bc chorus is insane but both of them are lynchpins in havoc

Oh

[chilly crescent]

I hate all of those things

[somber axle]

If you don't mind embracing some cheesy tactics there's an easier way to get the penance done

[bitter turtle]

Well yes gun psyker is not really a strong thing

[tall torrent]

I don't use that mod
it's really unstable

[tall torrent]

it's super strong just not for havoc lol

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

I mean for havoc ofc

[chilly crescent]

I have a lot of fun with it, but yes, trying to find something more optimal for the higher havoc runs and was led in this direction

[bitter turtle]

Meta is different for it

[regal vector]

not at all, at this point im at a loss lol

[red laurel]

So I should not use Helbore Lasgun?

[tall torrent]

cope with the sights, or if u have to use that mod, just put the laspistol reflex sight on there and call it a day

[foggy cloak]

@tall torrent coming back to vet and looking for a build that you use, but when I do from: Veteran, it lists 2783 pages of your posts; so i'm just gonna ask you, any fun builds you've been using for higher havocs?

[red laurel]

Dunno how to do that

[chilly crescent]

What's wrong with the sights on the lazgun?

[bitter turtle]

1. You want shredder nades and both demo team and stockpile for nade regen
2. Onslaught is not worth the points you're spending to reach it

[chilly crescent]

Just ugly?

[foggy cloak]

my man 🙇

[regal vector]

IMO its good if you can handle the iron sights pretty much everyones opinion i believe

[red laurel]

They obscure the entire diameter of your shot

[tall torrent]

first one for plasma
second one for laspistol (if someone already has survivalist)

[chilly crescent]

You guys don't just rely on the little dot in the center of the un-aimed weapon?

[tall torrent]

I run combat axe for melee because duelling sword is cringe and I hate having to use power sword

[somber axle]

Infiltrate ability with Low Profile and On Overwatch talents, CD reduction perks on all curios, grab a CD stim ASAP. Infiltrate stealth is 8 sec on a 45 sec CD. Low Profile is 10 sec duration after stealth breaks. On Overwatch gives you 2 charges and increases the CD to 1 min recharge but lets you keep up to 2 Infiltrate charges ready. If you time out the Infiltrate and Low Profiles that's 8 + 8 + 10 + 10 = 36 seconds of being ignored by enemies. Infiltrate also restores toughness back to full on use too. You can use Infiltrate and Low Profile to shift aggro off of you during fights and during the Low Profile buff as long as you're sticking close to the team enemies will attack them instead. Keep in mind that it's -90% reduced threat so if you and a team member have both attacked something you can shoot/stab it and never get noticed but if no one else has attacked that thing then it will aggro onto you. If things get extra silly pop the CD stim for more Infiltrate/Low Profile uptime and remember that the penance only counts HP damage as failing it so getting hit once isn't a loss

[regal vector]

When i was running it for a bit i only used it for specialists/ elites so once i highlighted them the sights didnt bother me too bad

[somber axle]

Oh also make sure to grab Tactical Awareness too for the -6 sec on ability CD per special kill

That'll help Infiltrate/Low Profile uptime

[bitter turtle]

Don't forget 3x ability cdr on curio

[somber axle]

You sorta have to play a little cowardly but tbh you can also get it done on something like a Low Intensity Malice where no one cares

[bitter turtle]

Takes a good 7 seconds off

[tall torrent]

3x toughness and 3x CDR basically required for curios in havoc

[somber axle]

Yeah that too!

[red laurel]

Surgical exists

[cyan verge]

is there ANY situation, in which you would ever take kraks in havoc

[somber axle]

CDR perks on curios makes a huge difference for Infiltrate especially when you grab On Overwatch for the extra charge

[red laurel]

Why would you want to do Krak?

[cyan verge]

I don't

but I was curious

[bitter turtle]

Stunlock bosses i suppose

If you are already prepared for melee elite ambushes

Probably only would be a good idea in a premade

[cyan verge]

I would like to hope everyone is prepared for crusher ambushes...

[foggy cloak]

absolutely hooking me up w/ the set-up; thank you champ

[uncut pebble]

Total boss deletion.

That's it.

[cyan verge]

I would like to hope if you are doing high havoc you can pretty much solo any number of crushers if they are the only enemy you are dealing with... obviously mixed hordes are a different thing but still

[red laurel]

Does Havoc raise the health of enemies, or is it Damnation breakpoints?

[bitter turtle]

Chorus into shredder grenades into flamer has been the solution for groups I've run with

[tall torrent]

Also run 2 toughness curios
3rd option I run health, u could run stamina if u really need it

[bitter turtle]

It's not about that

[tall torrent]

Most enemies’ health are massively increased

[bitter turtle]

It's about the fact that they spawn them in scripted scenarios often

[cyan verge]

oh is that so

[bitter turtle]

Like when you are engaging from the front

[red laurel]

So in Havoc you throw breakpoint knowledge into the bin?

[chilly crescent]

Why are shredder grenades better than krak? Just the aoe vs single targets?

[bitter turtle]

So u have 20 elites and a horde coming in both directions

[red laurel]

Versatility

[tall torrent]

No

You just build for new breakpoints

[cyan verge]

I honestly have not been able to figure out how the game spawns enemies, it feels like it just does certain ones as a theme for like a chunk of the level, then it sometimes swaps to something else

[regal vector]

damn that sounds pretty solid still gonna be shitting my pants but im gonna go for it, how about smoke grenades?

[bitter turtle]

Havoc is pretty scripted

[red laurel]

How so?

[bitter turtle]

They spawn bosses in a lot of the same locations

[chilly crescent]

That's true

[tall torrent]

Elite & specialist enemies have 1.5x health
Build for new breakpoints

[cyan verge]

I guess the idea is instead of building for oneshots, you build for 2-shots

or 3-shots

or whatever

as best as you can get

[bitter turtle]

I think that's why we don't have all the maps for havoc

[cyan verge]

yeah

[red laurel]

So it's not even that much higher from Damnation

[bitter turtle]

They probably script in specific triggers for each map

[cyan verge]

yeah this is definitely a thing

[red laurel]

Is the director at least in Gatling mode?

[bitter turtle]

Let me ask

If you fight a horde with elites

Would you rather kill the entire horde and ragers/maulers and knockdown the crushers

Or kill a couple of crushers/bulwarks

First one is shredder second one is krak

[cyan verge]

we are talking about havoc here so kraks are less valuable because there's so many more carapace targets that like you're not really gonna make a very big dent in their numbers if it even kills(?), whereas shredders comparatively kill just about everything and do 'some' carapace damage anyway

oh and cuz shredders have DoT it works on hardened better

[regal vector]

i thought about something even cheesier when i was hanging off that edge. If i died by falling and wasnt revived or was revived at the very end would that complete penance

[tall torrent]

Play it and find out

[red laurel]

Shredders also have a ton of AoE stagger

[cyan verge]

wouldn't want any spoilers for havoc 40

[red laurel]

Nah, I'm content with Auric Maelstroms for now. 120 hours of Darktide is a little too soon to try Havoc

[cyan verge]

yes and shredders also stagger 2 deth

prepare to be on the ground, heretics

[bitter turtle]

Good synergy with zealot flamer too btw

[cyan verge]

it's where you BELONG

[bitter turtle]

Anything that didn't die to the bleed dies to the fire afterwards

[cyan verge]

or inferno psyker

[somber axle]

I'd recommend against smoke grenades. If you do shredder frag grenades you can underhand throw them without breaking stealth. If you happen to get surrounded while invisible and need to make space just drop a grenade to push everything off or 2 to clear the room and everything will be gone before stealth is up

Overhand throws will break Infiltrate though

[cyan verge]

YO UNDERHAND THROW DOESN'T BREAK STEALTH?

is that for all grenades???

[bitter turtle]

Nope

Yes

[somber axle]

It's very funny

[cyan verge]

WHY is that like that

[bitter turtle]

Why do you think i shill grenade with infil lol

[cyan verge]

actually it sorta makes sense kind of like, oh let me just... leave this grenade here, as opposed to, yelling GRENADE OUT and throwin that thing at the nearest gunner's skull, but

[somber axle]

Infil and Shredders can make some very fun plays when things get wild

[cyan verge]

that's so weird

[bitter turtle]

I've made space for pushes

By popping infil

Run ahead next to the pack of elites and gunner

Drop two nades

Run back

[cyan verge]

this is a bit in the weeds and unrelated to vet chat but do throwing knives break shroud

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[tall torrent]

Yes (after the 0.5s stealth grace)

[somber axle]

I don't remember 😅

[cyan verge]

wow

[somber axle]

Oh that answers that

[bitter turtle]

Silent knife throw = break stealth

[obtuse elm]

Do yall prefer marksman’s focus or focus target with boltgun?

[bitter turtle]

A fucking grenade = ok

[tall torrent]

Focus target

[obtuse elm]

Executioners stance or voc

[cyan verge]

VoC

[bitter turtle]

Both are fine in auric

[cyan verge]

never use marksman's focus

[bitter turtle]

Exec let's you 1tap on body shots, voc is voc

[red laurel]

I'm gonna do one Autogun run to get some resources. Suggestions for those 2 points?

[wise fossil]

I like Ex stance marksmans for Boltgun, but focus target is a better pick tbh

[obtuse elm]

What’s about perk and blessings?

[cyan verge]

demo stockpile? wtf

take it

take it take it take it

[red laurel]

I already have Demo Team, so ain't it overkill?

[regal vector]

tysm

[cyan verge]

take both

[red laurel]

What else?

[wise fossil]

Check the pins

[tall torrent]

grenade regen...

[somber axle]

Good luck!

[tall torrent]

u took field improv but not demo stockpile

make it make sense

[red laurel]

Demo Team

Whatever the 5% grenade chance is called

[tall torrent]

stockpile comes before demo team in vast majority of situations

[red laurel]

Anything else?

[foggy cloak]

@tall torrent which laspistol you prefer of the two marks? (Haven't used in forever, but I do remember loving it when I used it)

[faint beacon]

Mk2

[tall torrent]

I think mk2 is vastly superior for most situations

[faint beacon]

More consistent procs

[cyan verge]

MK2 is just more enjoyable to shoot as well

[foggy cloak]

Copy, ty for the input!

[thick needle]

Is Flak/Carapace good perks for the mk4

[cyan verge]

some lasguns and the mk X kinda feel like their fire rate is a little too slow, like you fire and you have to wait a full second to shoot again and it's like what's the hold up here

[cyan verge]

if you mean the DS IV then carapace maniac probably

[thick needle]

ye

[cyan verge]

unless, you REALLY want to kill scab ragers and nothing else basically

then flak/carapace

[red laurel]

I just put Carapace Unyielding, but I'm a Zealot Main, so...

Aren't Scab Ragers Maniac too?

[thick needle]

Trying to refit all my Auric builds reading this chat, I got DS4 Flak/Carapace and Plasgun Maniac/Unyielding

[cyan verge]

those are dreg ragers

[tall torrent]

flak/carapace

flak weakspot
flak core
carapace chest

[red laurel]

So Maniac is just like Infested/Unyielding?

[cyan verge]

in what sense

[tall torrent]

what are u even talking abt

[faint beacon]

Flak carapace

[red laurel]

That it's fancy unarmored

[cyan verge]

um, well, sorta I guess

[bitter turtle]

Scab flamer has armor but is maniac

Maniac is just a state of mind

[tall torrent]

it's affected by rending so no

[thick needle]

Maniac is also mutants iirc

[bitter turtle]

[cyan verge]

I guess it's the difference between "I am hopped up on combat drugs and don't feel pain" and, unyielding is like "I am very large, and don't feel pain"

[red laurel]

So you mean to say that Scab Ragers are simply psychopaths?

[cyan verge]

dreg ragers are psychopaths

scab ragers are the armor men

[tall torrent]

I mean to say you're not making sense

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[bitter turtle]

Scab ragers are more chill confirmed

[red laurel]

Dreg Ragers are maniacs. Scab Ragers are psychopaths with armor

[cyan verge]

um

I mean... I guess, kind of

[red laurel]

This but with Demo Stockpile so one point leftover

[cyan verge]

yes it almost seems like it should be the other way around because in like english parlance a 'dreg' could mean the 'dregs' of the moebian militia/army, aka the washout traitors, and the scabs could be just like anything, but I guess the dregs are the 'dregs' of the hive city ganger-cultists, and the scabs are the... scabs of the moebian traitor forces

[bitter turtle]

scabs can refer to traitors in certain contexts in real l ife

mainly strikebreakers

so

[cyan verge]

true...

[bitter turtle]

that might be the intent

[cyan verge]

you'd think they coulda come up with better words than two four letter things that sound basically the same

is all

[thick needle]

BTW does the Autogun actually stack Onslaught or was that a bit

[cyan verge]

that notion is really funny, like oh the scabs are rioting again (the heretics have a philosophical disagreement on the legitimacy of the emperor aka want to shoot us all)

[bitter turtle]

it does

no its not worth it

[red laurel]

Why though? Is it not a good damage modifier what with the RoF of it?

[bitter turtle]

4 pts to get something that exists only to kill crushers with your gun

when there is exactly 2 melee weapons on vet that can't kill crusher

[tall torrent]

3 (DC sword, heavy sword, chainsword)

[bitter turtle]

well

[red laurel]

What about builds that naturally get to Onslaught then?

[bitter turtle]

depends if you count 2 revving as ac ceptable

[bitter turtle]

there is no such thing

because its so o ut of the way

its not connected to anything you would normally take

which only compounds the problem

[cyan verge]

stop thinking about onslaught

stop

forget about it

[bitter turtle]

like think about it

if you went right

you are probably gettin gmelee talents

[tall torrent]

Ok so the thought process goes like this

Do you have a strong anti-armor melee weapon?
Yes -> no onslaught
No -> Do you want to use a strong anti-armor melee weapon but it costs talent points to be optimal?
Yes -> spend those points on melee, don’t run onslaught
No -> Do you really want to magdump crushers with your gun?
Yes, with Vraks V / Recon XII -> run onslaught
Yes, but no specific ranged weapon in mind -> Boltgun + executioner’s stance
No -> what are you doing?

[red laurel]

Wasn't a build shared here earlier with Combat Specialist?

[bitter turtle]

es

yes*

but think about it

again, if you go right

you are getting melee talents

onslaught, however

is not connected to any of them lol

10% aspd, desperado, etc

[red laurel]

Is Brittleness only good to delete Crushers?

[cyan verge]

it's not good

[bitter turtle]

in the context of onslaught, yeah it basically only matters vs crushers

[cyan verge]

brittleness is bad to delete crushers

[tall torrent]

It depends on your weapon’s ADM but usually Onslaught only matters for crushers

[red laurel]

Thought it's just a Rending type debuff

[tall torrent]

It is

[bitter turtle]

the problem isnt th at rending/brittleness is bad

the problem is you're gonna kill whatever you're stacking it on

by the time it becomes meaningful

unless its a crusher

[paper trellis]

Chainsword can’t kill crusher?

[cyan verge]

out of curiosity, does brittleness interact with hardened skin in any meaningful way

[bitter turtle]

with bletter you need 2 revs

[tall torrent]

Too slow & risky

[bitter turtle]

and revs are animation locking you

in terms of speed its ok but you need to stand still for the whole thing

so

[tall torrent]

Maximum risk for minimal reward

[bitter turtle]

practically speaking, its not good

[cyan verge]

and it's the chainsword so why would you want to use it

[paper trellis]

Ahh that’s fair

[tall torrent]

Cadia fell because they were using chainswords instead of combat axes

[cyan verge]

the fools

they should have all been ninja sliding across the battlefield, duelling sword in hand

anyway the moral of the story is onslaught is bad

[bitter turtle]

btu reddit told me its the best build in the game

[cyan verge]

reddit is a great source of misinformation

it's like the great library of anti-alexandria

[faint beacon]

They will look you

Dead In the fucking eyes

0 irony

And say competitive urge is 100% good

That and passing out on iron will

Veteran 101: never pass on Iron will

[bitter turtle]

actually

@tall torrent

im unironically thinking

is iron will worth it

cus its really just for gunners

and well

you know

havoc 40 gunners

[hollow ibex]

Iron will is never worth it. Just don’t get hit 🤷‍♂️

[serene bough]

true

[bitter turtle]

ur right

[cyan verge]

interesting point

you are kinda right

[cyan verge]

about this

even the best players get netted once in a while...

[bitter turtle]

yeah this isnt a tee hee never get hit thing

more that im wondering how much time it actually buys you

if you're being shot at

[wind grotto]

it's still good for taking chip damage especially through gold toughness

[serene bough]

i prefer iron will for stray melee hits

[queen fox]

Iron wills value is inversely connected to your skill level
High skill, low value
Low skill, low value

[bitter turtle]

well, my reasoning is

you dont take full dmg on the first hit anyway

so all it does is reduce the dmg of the 2nd hit

but you really dont wanna get hit that 2nd time anyway

so is some dmg reduction when you get hit twice worth a point?

[cyan verge]

it's more like in havoc your toughness is going to be obliterated anyway if you make a mistake and iron will is likely not going to save you

[faint beacon]

It significantly bloats VOCs toughness and the toughness you have above 75%

Passing on it

[bitter turtle]

when 3 poxwalkers obliterated me from full hp at the end of archivum sycorax when they hit all at time same time

[faint beacon]

Will get you killed even quicker

[cyan verge]

that is true I suppose?

[bitter turtle]

yea thats the only thing

the synergy with chorus

[faint beacon]

Psyker levels of squishiness

[bitter turtle]

but i feel like

when chorus happens

its like go time either way

[faint beacon]

So no don’t pass on Iron Will

[queen fox]

A counterpoint is that the 2nd hit will do more health dmg than the 1st, and usually do at least 1 unless you were at gold toughness

[bitter turtle]

like we're not usually getting killed during chorus

we doing the killing

[serene bough]

in my build, i dont really have any other point id rather invest in

[red laurel]

Are any of these rolls fine?

[serene bough]

so ill take iron will anyways

[bitter turtle]

yea i mean

[cyan verge]

no!!!!!!!! into the GARBAGE

[bitter turtle]

im still taking it rn

i just starte d thinking if it actually is that good

[serene bough]

but idk, considering i have 98HP ill keep as much TDR as i can

[bitter turtle]

after seeing ppl in psyker chat talk about how TDR is useless

[red laurel]

Why is Mobility important on Recon Lasgun?

[bitter turtle]

in havoc 40

[cyan verge]

it's not

but, look

[terse idol]

Isn't uhhh

[cyan verge]

the reason why you take collateral 60 on recons is because 80 does not meaningfully help you stagger

[terse idol]

Collateral kinda useless?

[cyan verge]

so why not take some extra mobility

[terse idol]

Oh

[bitter turtle]

collateral and stability are both useless

just dump one of them

[cyan verge]

if you literally look at the gun it's like oh

that's somewhat. unimpressive

that really seems like it might not be very strong

here's a bolter just for comparison

[bitter turtle]

you know

teh shitty thing tho

is havoc is so sweaty rn

that i dont really wanna test anything

[serene bough]

Y tho

[bitter turtle]

like that iron will idea

[red laurel]

Suggestions?

[bitter turtle]

lol

its like

if im wrong

then im trolling my team

[cyan verge]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

and i cant even test stuff in psyk

[cyan verge]

it's unfortunate

[bitter turtle]

well u get deleted either way is their logic

so they dont both with one with the warp and stuff

and i agree

honestly

ive seen psykers get literally 1 shot by shotgunners

doesnt feel like there's a point

in trying to mitigate that

just dont get hit

[cyan verge]

maybe just take that 5% HP node so your curios are easier, shrug I dunno

[red laurel]

My Curios are too messed up, all I have in the way of Curios is 3 Toughness, 3 Stam Regen perks

[terse idol]

How are you supposed to like survive even

Is everyone inching around every corner

[hollow bane]

whats the most meta build and weapons for vet rn?

[bitter turtle]

you dont advance on big waves of enemies unless you have chorus or bubble

[cyan verge]

what difficulty.

[bitter turtle]

and yes

you are careful constantly

[terse idol]

[red laurel]

Is there any good Exec. Stance upgrade?

[hollow bane]

for havoc

[cyan verge]

oh

well then

[terse idol]

Highlight shooters get resets

[bitter turtle]

i can give you my infiltrate build :^)

[red laurel]

What difficulty

[bitter turtle]

i think most would say its not meta though

[cyan verge]

right image with laspistol maybe would be good and duelling sword I guess

[hollow bane]

just viable for 40 🤷‍♂️

[bitter turtle]

ive cleared 40 with it multiple times while being top dmg

is that viable

[hollow bane]

yes

[bitter turtle]

[red laurel]

If you are asking then my bet is you are not at 40

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

tbh

i dont suggest it unless you already played infil a lot

i have been playing infil since the class update

i imagine if you pick it up now you might end up trolling

[hollow bane]

im not

[cyan verge]

what tier are you at

[hollow bane]

haven't even done the malestrom yet, just returned to game after few months

[cyan verge]

ah.

[hollow bane]

never used it 💀

[cyan verge]

don't bring infiltrate then

[bitter turtle]

yeah just play voc then imo

[hollow bane]

what weapons?

[bitter turtle]

plasma/recon/laspistol is what ive seen the most

as for melee

i have literally only seen ds4

on every class

that isnt ogryn

lmao

rashad should be fine though

[hollow bane]

ds was the only thing i was using when it got put on vet

[bitter turtle]

ive played it a lower than 40 (35+) but not at 40

ilas is good if you dont bring it to pus-hardened modifier

do not bring it to that modifier or you will cry

[hollow bane]

ok thanks for the advice

[trim steppe]

Rocked Rashad on a 35, everyone else was using DS lol

[stable shoal]

Anyone wanna help me make a laspistol dueling sword build for veteran

[bitter turtle]

for what

havoc or auric?

[stable shoal]

I’m quite new just got my veteran to 30 and those are my 2 weapons I’ve been running

[shell spire]

Anyone know if there are specific builds for unlocking penance cosmetics

[bitter turtle]

ok

ill send it to you

[stable shoal]

Thank you 🙏

[bitter turtle]

voc with better ammo economy
https://i.gyazo.com/3dbc6a94b7a12710890a21b7fd31b335.png
voc with better damage vs ogryn/monsters
https://i.gyazo.com/4228a3a8bee9641ee60fbf815cfd3b37.png
infiltrate
https://i.gyazo.com/b34a4f32b0558e36a5efa73eab7c3b0e.png

if you feel like you're confident with ammo

you can path through close & kill instead of survivalist

and pick up agile engagement (+25% dmg to your melee/range weapon when you kill with the other one)

[pastel pumice]

W builds, thank you

Will try out later

[trim steppe]

What do you mean

[cyan verge]

he's probably trying to do on overwatch or something

[trim steppe]

Yeah but like what does he want to do

[cyan verge]

right?

dunno

[shell spire]

Yeah that and like I dont have anything super viable for infiltrate supression and overrall gun supression and am not sure if one counts for the other

[bitter turtle]

well

i just posted an infiltrate build

lol

[shell spire]

Yeah I yoinked it and am gonna try it out tomorrow

[cyan verge]

sigh

even though infiltrate exists there is no magic pill to win that, you just have to do it

good luck

[shell spire]

Yeah I reckon I'll manage

[cyan verge]

me personally I did it solo with bots on consignment yard, there's a guaranteed boss at the end but if you take kraks you can just toss and blow him up before he even reaches you

there's probably better maps...

[shell spire]

It's just a slightly overwhelming jump from vermintide I just built one build at a time but here I can juggle all the perks

[hollow bane]

is focus target not worth using instead of weapon specialist?

[cyan verge]

focus target is good too but weapon specialist is very very very good

you're not looking at the squad leader build are you

on gameslantern

[trim steppe]

For on overwatch take voice of command and keep your toughness up, if you don't take HP damage your penance attempt is still rolling. If you can find some nice peeps to carry you through a twins mission it's over really fast but it might be less of logistical challenge if you just do it normal and focus on playing defensively.

Honestly doing On Overwatch made me better at the game by teaching me how to play and melee better

[cyan verge]

the only thing about twins is you get swarmed constantly with melee dudes in twins at the end

[hollow bane]

no just always used focus target

[shell spire]

Yeah I'm like pretty ok at the game, nothing magical but I can handle stuff just was wondering if anyone got any super specific builds for just tackling them few hardest penances

[cyan verge]

you were just told

[trim steppe]

For the accuracy one take double barrel shotty into the train mission

[shell spire]

Yeah I know I was coming around to thanking for the advice

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist + Always Prepared and Double Barrel Shotgun is probably the easiest way to earn Make Every Shot Count

[shell spire]

Ooh nice tip

[somber axle]

Any pellet fired hitting anything at all counts as a hit iirc

[cyan verge]

yeah

[torpid grotto]

Hello veteran chat does anyone know exactly how much toughness to teammates voc restores? Flat amount or always a %?

[cyan verge]

that's why DON'T even TRY 'make every shot count' on anything but a shotgun

[shell spire]

Aight shotgun it is

[cyan verge]

none, you need to take the extra talent ability augment next to it that adds a set amount of gold toughness to nearby allies

[trim steppe]

Or revolver

Shoot down a crowded corridor a few times and yours golden

But yeah DB is better

[cyan verge]

I personally did not have any luck with the revolver

[shell spire]

Im a bolt pistol guy personally

[cyan verge]

well the idea is

you don't miss ever

[earnest dew]

I did both on overwatch and make it count on revolver while helping a friend with an auric maelstrom un.

[cyan verge]

so, you pick a shotgun because it has extremely permissive 'that hit' rules

[torpid grotto]

Yes that’s what I mean. How much does that restore

[cyan verge]

that's a funny joke but no you didn't

[shell spire]

Yeah I got a decent shotgun in there too and like to use it too

[trim steppe]

For the penance take a strong melee, just waste your shotgun ammo when you know you can't miss and when you're empty put it away and chop everything else until you win

[earnest dew]

I did.

[cyan verge]

well, you have no evidence so I am just going to not believe you

[shell spire]

Im pretty handy with the electro mace thingy

Helps me keep hordes at bay if I need to clear something solo and bonks real nice

[hollow bane]

on the greater damage one would close quarters killzone be better than deadshot?

[earnest dew]

Damn, if powerDI still worked and I saved the game.

[cyan verge]

you didn't even take a screenshot?

[earnest dew]

Didn't think to take too lol. I was like "neat" maybe I have it somewhere.

[bitter turtle]

no

deadshot is really good for laspistol

the hipfire is already excellent

[pseudo fiber]

I hate the mk10 las pistol!

[bitter turtle]

so you can hipfire any trash things

[pseudo fiber]

It feels so bad

[bitter turtle]

and then ads and actrivate deadshot when you need to down something tougher

[earnest dew]

Here it is. No whether you choose to believe me or not is up to you.

It had to scrum through like 300 images.

[hollow bane]

for plasma gun too?

[bitter turtle]

no

deadshot doesnt work with plasma

[hollow bane]

whats best to swap it for if i wanna use plasma or should i just use las pistol

[cyan verge]

well, it doesn't have your accuracy here but you did take literally 0 damage so I guess it's probably legit

[bitter turtle]

Plasma is a different build entirely

And I'm not a good person to ask bc I don't like it and rarely use it

Check pin for any builds for plas maybe

[cyan verge]

yeah it is a misery to use

sorta like the lasgun VII

you wanna plink away but it has this bizarrely low fire rate

which I think only feels weird because with real firearms, right, just being a heavy calibre doesn't necessarily mean it has an artificially low fire rate, like the receiver is going to chamber rounds as fast as it mechanically can

... I guess these are las weapons

[tiny valve]

Guys would you recommend the spearhead boltgun? I have the bolt pistol and I want to try the spearhead but I can only get it through the armoury requisition things and I don't want to waste 10k dockets if I don't like it.

[cyan verge]

but my point is like, normally you would expect the challenge would be in just learning to deal with recoil

like the AK in CS or something

[cyan verge]

uh well yes it's great, the bolt pistol is great too, they're both great

if you can't afford 10k dockets though

you should probably play more

[keen lagoon]

Saw people on Reddit shittalking the bolt pistol but I tried it on my greatsword psyker build and it was good

[cyan verge]

... I legitimately cannot imagine why

don't listen to reddit is the takeaway here

[cyan verge]

this isn't you is it

[hollow bane]

no

[cyan verge]

just a happy coincidence then I suppose

[tiny valve]

I mean I started recently and I have 190k currently. Coincidentally I spent 190k recently on a new outfit cos penance grinding was going too slowly to get good stuff when I was still new, I was tired of wearing crappy stuff and I had just got 350k from that cry havoc event.

[cyan verge]

ouf

well 190k is like

fine

you're sittin okay there

[tiny valve]

yeah it's probably nothing major but it's enough

[cyan verge]

anyway if you just want to try a weapon you don't need to roll for like perfect stats or anything

it's safe to just buy greys from the thing

keep an eye out for perfect rolls in the shop though

[tiny valve]

I'll go look again in a sec I'm just starting an ogryn character

[cyan verge]

oh you don't have to now but

just in general

whenever you run past the shop just step in and look since it resets every hour and it'll save you a lot of time if

you can find something with good power level

though

that is important

[tiny valve]

Yeah I know I checked earlier but didn't see anything

I also checked MOrrows

[cyan verge]

if you shop for perfect weapons at like low levels

it'll be junk low level crap with like 90 power

and then it's like oof do you really want to empower the, 41 times

[tiny valve]

I'm level 24 so it's all around 400

[cyan verge]

yeah 300+ is like, good

[tiny valve]

My infantry autogun is 310 I think but its golden

[cyan verge]

rarity doesn't mean much early on

since it's just 'some blessings' and 'some perks'

though, I guess it's not nothing

if it has perfect stats then that'll be a good weapon to focus on

[tiny valve]

Currently it has things like 20% sprint efficiency and +35% damage when shooting enemies in the back

I'll probably move away from it eventually when I find something better but I still quite like it

[stable shoal]

Loving the second one

[vague pier]

What’s the best curios to run on havoc when I’m on 30 or higher I drop to 98 hp and 155 shield

[cyan verge]

dunno

I have heard recommended like 1 toughness 2HP

as for perks like, I dunno, combat ability regen, toughness, stamina/sprint/corruption resist

[vague pier]

Yeah I run 3x tough

All with tough, combat regen, stam regen

[cyan verge]

I honestly don't know what the 'best' choice is since unlike every other difficulty if you make a mistake you just like die, it's not oh, I could have maybe lived if my curios were made correctly

and your toughness/HP is crunched so much you're not gonna get a huge amount of value either way and idk if there's even any breakpoints you can hit to not die from any particular thing

[vague pier]

Yeah I’ve seen someone live after being box bombed

[cyan verge]

what class, I would guess zealot

[vague pier]

Yeah it’s nuts how much you get hit by 30 plush

Vet

[cyan verge]

wow

with VoC I guess

and iron will

[vague pier]

Yeah we both had oversheild and I died and he lived

[cyan verge]

oh, I see

maybe he had HP then

[vague pier]

Yeah I’m thinking maybe changing one stam to hp to see if that helps

[cyan verge]

you use numeric hud right

were you able to catch how much HP he had

someone, smarter, than me, could probably just tell you what the breakpoint is, but idk that stuff

[vague pier]

I’m console sadly

[cyan verge]

oh...

rip in peace

[vague pier]

Yeah I’ll be on pc one day

[cyan verge]

good

I have like

I'm just gonna say this PC players basically get to cheat

here's my mod list which is full of cheats

[vague pier]

I can’t wait to join in

[cyan verge]

like what if you just knew where every pickup nearby was

and you knew what it was even through walls

what if your flashlight was mondo powerful for no reason

I don't feel bad about it though

[tribal tangle]

anyone have a good havoc build?

[cyan verge]

no

[tribal tangle]

ok

[cyan verge]

no one has any good havoc buildsk

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-good-goodbye-boy-gif-10271405395896250840

[cyan verge]

maybe try the search function

[tribal tangle]

nah just tell me

[crisp oak]

Yikes, just died in a havok 25 before leaving the elevator

Sniper vent purge is a bitch lol

[pastel yew]

did they change regular auric+ gunners?

gunners/shotgunners/reapers

semi recently

I've been eating major damage and although I'm giga washed from taking a long break it feels steep

[tall torrent]

Yes
Gunner stun removed
Reaper stun & pushback removed
Shotgunner pushback removed

[pastel yew]

what does this mean by stun

as in you can no longer stun them while firing?

[austere mica]

Also changed gunner and shotgunners hitmass

They are much harder to cleave

And they increased gunner effective range

[pastel yew]

and spawns

have those changed

as since coming back I feel I'm seeing way way more tox bombers and snipers in particular

[tall torrent]

Gunners can’t stunlock u by shooting at u when you have no toughness (which prevents sprint & slide)

[pastel yew]

snipers although not a threat were basically non existent

[tall torrent]

Basically ranged enemies cannot stunlock you anymore

[pastel yew]

now you can get multiple per encounter

sort of a lame change, especially since I cant blame it for me losing more >>>:(

guess I'm just 100% washed up

need to play more

[cyan verge]

them removing reaper/shotgun knockback is honestly one of the best changes they made this update

[pastel yew]

I dunno like

[cyan verge]

this is godly too actually

[pastel yew]

maybe the reaper knockback but

I feel like shotgunners having no knockback is gonna massively increase the likelyhood multiple of them hit you at once

[cyan verge]

that's an interesting way to look at it, but I can live with that

just don't throw me around like a pinball pls

I am a human been

[soft trellis]

How are the end stats on this plasma?

[cyan verge]

bad

@tired egret

you could probably go like 70 thermal 70 charge or the other way but I think you want at least 69 thermal so you can hit the correct breakpoint

[pastel yew]

do me a solid, go into psykanium and fire as many uncharged shots as you can

[soft trellis]

Someone said that in the zealot chat, so good to know that wasn't a joke lol

[pastel yew]

how many do you get off

[cyan verge]

no it wasn't a joke

no one jokes around here

we just tell the truth

[soft trellis]

Uhuh

idk how true that is cuz I tend to stay in the zealot chat lol

[cyan verge]

idk anything about those crazy people

okay I look in there and there's a gif of venom or something from spiderman, idk what the heck those guys are up to

[pastel yew]

a plasmagun with proper thermal resist can get off 8 uncharged shots

go into psyk and spam left click and see how many you can get off at 60

or wait

just read the stat whats the number

also this stat is just

fuckin incorrect by the way

it says .18 heat generation but the first only generats .12

[soft trellis]

Yeah I was gonna say "8 shots...?"

[cyan verge]

hahaha

yeah RIP

[pastel yew]

when I shoot it

I get off 8 shots

literally in the psyk now

testing it

[cyan verge]

BASICALLY, yes your plasma gun is junk

[pastel yew]

I mean

[soft trellis]

It's not that I don't believe you, it's that 18% heat per shot wouldn't add up to 8 shots lol

[pastel yew]

test fire it to see first

[soft trellis]

I hadn't bought it

[pastel yew]

how many shots does yours get at 30%?

maybe the heat gen is just bugged

[soft trellis]

I didn't buy it... it's in my dockets shop lol

[pastel yew]

oh

oh well

[cyan verge]

don't buy it then

[pastel yew]

I got no money to waste n test this

yea

dont buy

[pseudo fiber]

There's a mod that let's you spawn weapon in the meat grinder

[soft trellis]

idk what it is about this 7pm rotation for me but I have like... 15 weapons with perfect end rolls across all of my level 30 character's dockets shops...

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe it got removed?

[soft trellis]

my psyker has 2 perfect end roll recons lol

[pastel yew]

ive not heard of the mod if so

[pseudo fiber]

I wish I could part take I spent all my money on plasma rolls and I'm broke

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/475772893775790110/1316197294323929098/image.png?ex=675a2bc0&is=6758da40&hm=21cc62299d7668e2f65539b80fea105713d595ce2cc3d6593c89cbe5c2c7f90d&

[soft trellis]

I'm just broke, I only have 20k dockets rn :/

[pseudo fiber]

Anyway I've ran out of easy shit to do

[soft trellis]

I've always been broke tho

[cyan verge]

that shit is like

reskin of the fuckin moebian 53rd but in baby powder-puff blue

[pseudo fiber]

The 53rd is a reskin of the 6th stuff I'll have you know.

[cyan verge]

whatever