veteran-class

[cyan verge]

that feels slightly a waste since recon already basically has no recoil

I tried it with boltgun but you get so few shots it kinda feels bad

you get to use 1 mag basically then exe is over since the reload is way too long

[paper trellis]

I tried it with others, ttk was an issue

Actually got two of the completed with vigilant autogun

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is just a DPS upgrade unless you take Enhanced Target Priority to give the team sight of elites/specials too. It's really only for helping breakpoints or squeezing out extra damage to ammo efficiency for fun LOL

[inland orchid]

Boltgun mentioned, wtf is a accurate space marine powerscaling

[cyan verge]

not a bad choice since vigilant at least kills stuff

[inland orchid]

I WILL FINISH WHAT CAPTAIN TITUS STARTED!

[somber axle]

alternatively just like

the most efficient pathing down if you want to save as many points as possible while getting Surv Aura/Shredder Grenades

[cyan verge]

for the most part we're talkin about exe for penance

[somber axle]

since you have to wiggle a bit and deviate

[cyan verge]

I am firmly in I love VoC territory

[paper trellis]

Anything sturdy enough to need it I can ping with yellow I’m blanking on name, or I can stealth for that 30% damage bonus

[cyan verge]

I like making everyone not die and myself not die

[somber axle]

the flood of new players has pushed me into running VoC a bit more while in babysitter mode

[paper trellis]

It’s meant for gunners and specials, but my ttk on them is already fast

[somber axle]

I can't tell you how many times I get teams of 3 Psykers who will fold the instant they don't have someone to hide behind LMFAO

[vital wren]

I don't like the other two enough to use anything else anyway.

[somber axle]

VoC to help save them + buy them breathing room

[paper trellis]

Oof. They probably heard how strong it is, but didn’t realize it has a high skill floor

[serene bough]

Let them die we need more corpse starch

[somber axle]

Yeah fair I just enjoy the yellow outlines telling me exactly what, how many and where are everywhere at all times. I also love running it with Enhanced Target Priority on Vent Purge/Lights Out because even if other Vets are 100% right that the team seeing highlights reduces your uptime that sight also gives team knowledge that lets players tackle encounters better

You can ping one target

the team will see that one

[wind patio]

I wonder if they will start making class balance changes built around Havoc, or if Havoc is a special case where they're fine with some things just not being able to be run

[somber axle]

they may not see that there are 10 more of that enemy type behind it until they're REAL CLOSE

[paper trellis]

That’s fair. I’m pretty good about pinging in succession for the extra toughness and to maintain the damage aura

[somber axle]

I think it's just naturally the most attractive class to play. Guy with Sword, Guy with Gun, Big Guy, MAGIC

MAGIC is the most fancy and fun looking thing

everything else is some flavour of mundane

even if Vet is #1 for me

[paper trellis]

Tbf guy with sword has faith magic

[somber axle]

yeah but someone new to 40k/new to Darktide may not see that right away

[paper trellis]

Fair

[somber axle]

vs Psyker getting funny staffs that shoot lightning and flames and void bolts and blasts

[paper trellis]

Thankfully I haven’t had too many psykers pop their own heads in pugs

But I also try to avoid malice and below once I hit 12 on a class

[somber axle]

I've had quite a few pop their heads in Auric Damnation QP pugs lately but usually it's right as combat is quieting down weirdly enough

like they're edging peril and try to snipe one last kill then pop

[paper trellis]

Seriously? You’d think they’d have better peril management by then

[somber axle]

Yeah

Kinda weird but then people are speedrunning to the highest difficulties

Probably to push to be ready for Havoc ASAP

the new armour is going to make a lot of old and new players drool over it and the 4500 penance point gear probably looks harder to get for a new player too

man

[paper trellis]

Tbf that patch day, nearly every party I had was damn near suicidal. So I took a break and learned zealot so I could learn how to carry better

[somber axle]

can you imagine being totally new 0 plasteel 0 diamantine 0 dockets 0 masteries to Darktide

[paper trellis]

Day after it too

[somber axle]

I've seen some funny weapons in pre-lobby screens and have to remind myself that just because masteries mean you CAN change anything however you want doesn't mean a player always has the options available if they got a Melk weapon or Emperor's Gift

plus new players figuring things out

[paper trellis]

I enjoy a few offmeta picks. Long as they are good with them I’m happy to see it

[somber axle]

Yeah really anything goes as long as it's both fun and functional and there are so few things that just genuinely do not work in Auric Damnation QP that it's generally fine

Stuff doesn't get sweaty as far as ability/weapon picks until higher Havoc ranks

You can run Shredder Autopistol in Auric Damnation and if it works for you no one cares LOL

and if you die they'll just continue on without you

QP pugs will just do whatever

[paper trellis]

now if only fatshark would buff helbore. Imo a fully charge shot should hit like a plasma gun

[somber axle]

The swap speed is what's tripping people up on it so much imo

I think with a properly built Helbore it would feel fine in most player hands if not for the awkward switch toggle every single time you pull it out

[paper trellis]

To a point, but it’s melee has really good stagger as long as you don’t use the overhead one

Sadly my ttk is a lot quicker on most weapons

[somber axle]

Yeah that hardest parts of adjusting are

-Awkward sights
-Awkward swap speed
-Learning click and hold to shoot
-Learning you can just bayonet your way through most small scale fights without needing to swap melee (and bosses too if you're good/confident)

bayoneting a boss to death feels so good

it's kinda just a mid tier weapon with a lot of awkward bumps in the road to get past while learning it

[paper trellis]

Helps that it does really good damage. Unironically the bayonet is better than the gun imo

[somber axle]

but also yeah TTK on a lot of other weapons for most targets is just way, way better vs Helbore

[paper trellis]

There really isn’t any reason it doesn’t one shot on a full charge headshot

[balmy flume]

Funny boss death I have seen.

(1) Gloriana Intervoid.
(2) Opening stretch.
(3) Demonhost on platform path.
(4) Zealot activates Demonhost, then chastises(?) It into the abyss.

[paper trellis]

When I can do that with a mk 12 kantreal with no charge time

And you literally start with access to kantreal

[somber axle]

Helbore just feels good for how ammo efficient it is with Shock Trooper and Surgical. Even better if you do some goofy Exe Stance shenanigans and either FT/RF or if you're extra silly go into MF (with optional Camo) with the right perks/blessings for breakpoints and suddenly it starts killing things surprisingly quick

[paper trellis]

I thought that got patched out? You can still push demonhosts off?

[somber axle]

Extra funny just sniping down a Crusher squad with the fastest firing low damage Helbore variant during Exe Stance

you can get it down to 2 shots per Crusher

and with Weight of Fire at max stacks it feels like it's firing as fast as a Kantrael Infantry Lasgun

[inland orchid]

Game coding makes it really hard to have a "flying" enemy so in all honesty the DH is as grounded as any other boss

they just have a tp move, thankfully they need to be grounded for it to work

[paper trellis]

I wish I liked marksman’s focus more than I do

[balmy flume]

At least I think that is what happened. Not sure if the Zealot was extra kill, since TBH I was out of line of sight (I saw the thing there, was occupied, DH spawned, I hear a Zealot ability and suddenly DH health bar disappeared)

[somber axle]

I had such a fun match on the new map just after patch with another Helbore user. The other two on our team died in the first section. The two of us just went full on Helbore and cleared the way until the revive checkpoint to get them back up

FELT SO GOOD

Shared braincell Helbore user moment

[somber axle]

the hardest hurgle to get past is staring at how short the duration of movement immunity is imo

[paper trellis]

If he was running chastise, kinda would kinda have to, chastise doesn’t have the one shot potential of stealth

[somber axle]

it seems short but if you're clicking heads semi-consistently it builds FAST and you can move with it without dropping stacks

plus you sorta have to learn to not care about losing stacks when you NEED to move

[paper trellis]

Honestly I’ve found it’s counterintuitively best on mobile full auto rifles, and to not overthink maintaining the stacks

[somber axle]

stacks are not worth dying over

no crab walk into the grave

[paper trellis]

I just never have an instance where I can say I’d prefer it over the other two keystones

[somber axle]

yeah it's definitely way easier to build/maintain when you can just spray head height plus Chink in their Armour + Rending Strikes feels really good on the Recon Mk VIc and it's infinitely easier to get 10+ stacks and keep it up during firefights even just hip firing into targets

[paper trellis]

Crab vets are funny tho. But after working on zealot I just can’t stay still that long

[somber axle]

sometimes the AI director just will not let you sit still especially on Auric Damnation HiSTG, Maels or Havoc

if you've built your gun around MF stacks you're probably suffering immensely LOL

[paper trellis]

Yeah that’s true

That damage aura off of ping is just so nice in comparison tho

[somber axle]

it's ease of access and helps on a lot of breakpoints for a lot of guns

Focus Target + Redirect Fire helps push a lot of weapons over the edge for the tiny bit of damage they need

and way more consistent/easier to maintain during fights

[paper trellis]

Mhm helps that the stamina and toughness regenerate is really good

[somber axle]

I don't know if the other classes are really benefitting much from FT/RF outside of burning down bosses faster though

[paper trellis]

Where’s for marksman’s focus, sure I have spicy headshots, but I lose so much

[somber axle]

I don't think any sane Zealot, Psyker or Ogryn is building breakpoints for "if a Vet in my squad has FT/RF"

[paper trellis]

And the weird regen toughness faster but I can never quite tell how effective it is

[somber axle]

Target Down is very effective for squad toughness and stam gain but I don't know that other classes notice it as much as a Field Improv Vet

[umbral scaffold]

Funny of you to assume there's anyone sane there

[somber axle]

telling a fire nade Zealot or frag Ogryn that Field Improv is active and to go nuts with ammo crate grenades is way more noticeable

[paper trellis]

I run field improv on every build. I’ve had it save too many ppl for me not to see the value in it

[inland orchid]

our sanity was gone the second we devoted ourselves to the emperor

[somber axle]

It's probably one of THE best team support talents outside of VoC in the entire tree tbh

[paper trellis]

And that corruption cleanse can be a lifesaver

[weak parcel]

which bottom path do you take for havoc

[somber axle]

it's just that Vet has SO many other things it wants depending on build and the tree is full of really good talents

[bitter turtle]

Grenades for havoc

[weak parcel]

bottom path

[crude wind]

best sleeper vet ability I've found in Havoc is the res/assist talent

[paper trellis]

Depends on what you are building on and what weapons you are using

[bitter turtle]

Every grenade talent you can take

[crude wind]

absolutely insane value from that so far

[weak parcel]

VOC with grenades

[umbral scaffold]

I disagree, the best support you can give is to not play the game. You're just a chill guy 🐶

[somber axle]

I've been giving support to a friend who is trying out Darktide again

[serene bough]

smokes have their use, shredders are absolutely going to be useful, kraks are pretty garbage the higher you go

[paper trellis]

Either go for major nodes from all three or weapon specialist. It’s pretty hard to fit focus target into a grenade build

[bitter turtle]

Smokes are good in havoc but shredder spam is the main answer to melee elite ambushes

[somber axle]

but wow I have no idea what to do for weapon masteries because I just sorta had pretty much everything maxed when it first released and most weapons were either 100% or were shoved into 100% right away LOL

[paper trellis]

Tho if you are going straight down focus target is possible, but you suffer a lot in melee

[bitter turtle]

You could run them through havoc

[somber axle]

and dumping lots of dockets/plasteel/diamantine into masteries to level up a weapon tree isn't possible for a returning/new player who doesn't have millions of dockets to throw away

[bitter turtle]

Idk how much lower boxes give

But havoc 40 box had like 40k plasteel

[somber axle]

I definitely want to do Havoc with him if I can but baby steps because he's had less than a handful of games since returning

[weak parcel]

plasteel isnt the issue it's dockets

[somber axle]

we've been running some Auric Damnation QP

[bitter turtle]

Not for masteries

[weak parcel]

I'd buy masteries if I didn't want all bought cosmetics

[crude wind]

you can get to mastery level 20 with roughly 2500 plasteel and 28 weapons worth of dockets, per weapon

[paper trellis]

Tfw I only started like 2 months ago so still working on most of my masteries

[crude wind]

it's definitely long as fuck tho

[somber axle]

oh yeah I would just upgrade a weapon to green and then feed it to Hadron on repeat to max out masteries

[weak parcel]

it is. just from buying the things

[crude wind]

the play

[paper trellis]

Can always dump bought greys and turn them to greens for sacrifice

[somber axle]

but then like I don't know if he can do that for all the weapons he wants

[bitter turtle]

30 or so weapons is not that much dockets

[crude wind]

he should pick 2 for the time being and do that to grind for mats

1 melee 1 range

[paper trellis]

But I like actually playing the weapon to get a feel for it

[weak parcel]

30 weapons is a cosmetic set

[somber axle]

for one weapon mastery it feels pretty cheap

[crude wind]

probably faster that way than doing it organically

then you can just power boost one weapon at a time when u feel like mixing it up

[bitter turtle]

Well

[weak parcel]

and its pretty easy to level weapons when you're just doing other penances so

[bitter turtle]

Melk is nice for new people now

Just grab a usable 500

[weak parcel]

ye

[crude wind]

that's also true, Melk is dece

[paper trellis]

Most of my fastest masteries were just trying to get a good stat spread on a weapon

[somber axle]

I think I was able to do all of the non-Vet/non-Zealot shared ranged/melee (so I guess just the force sword and staves??) on Psyker for like 1-2 mil dockets in bought greys to upgrade to green and feed to Hadron and idk how much plasteel

[paper trellis]

And sacrificing all the ones that didn’t have what I wanted

[somber axle]

plus however much extra dockets/plasteel/diamantine to get a perfect stat roll, max upgrade to 500 orange and get the right blessings/perks

[paper trellis]

I’m fairly certain it’s more than 28, I dumped just shy of 50 on my plasma and it only got to 18 mastery

[crude wind]

starting from 0?

[paper trellis]

Yeah

[somber axle]

I think it also changes exp gained depending on if you sacrificed the same weapon type or not?

[paper trellis]

Yep

If you sacrifice a different weapon it gives very little

[crude wind]

sorry I should have specified, i meant starting from some mid level as most people would have had some mastery transferred over after Locked and Loaded

[somber axle]

Sacrificing Plasma for Plasma weaponry is way more efficient vs just dumping random Emperor's Gift weapons into Hadron for Plasma

still worth doing the latter if it's a weapon mastery you don't care to level at the moment or you've already maxed though

[paper trellis]

Aye. I dumped 50 plasmas on it, I don’t sacrifice unrelated weapons, prefer the dockets

[somber axle]

That's fair

[paper trellis]

Well 48 technically

[somber axle]

I was kinda worried about the lack of things to do with dockets/plasteel/diamantine once you've got everything maxed out but like for newer players there's definitely going to be a need for it for a while

[frank ledge]

Veterans why are all guns inferior to auto pistol for havok?

[paper trellis]

My neurotic ass has a need to upgrade all the weapons, so that is a long time coming

[crisp oak]

Tbh I like doing the masteries organically, forced you to learn how to use them

[paper trellis]

It is preferable. I was just trying to get a good roll on plasma

[somber axle]

if I could do it all over again I think it'd be fun to do it the way they intended with using weapons to gain exp for them instead of just going factory mode on Hadron's face

[crisp oak]

Ah yeah

[paper trellis]

The best one I’ve gotten so far has the charge time and heat inverted

[crisp oak]

I cant seem to get a good plasma

[paper trellis]

Shit was the biggest blue ball

[crisp oak]

Currently doing masteries on the combat axe and shredder pistol

Rashad is nice

[somber axle]

shredder pistol is surprisingly fun even if it's pulling up pretty low on damage for most things

[paper trellis]

You think a mechanicus considers that flirting?

[crisp oak]

It is fun, issue is how ammo hungry it is

[somber axle]

idk maybe if the gifts were better quality but like if someone dumped a lot of trash in front of me I'd think they were angry at me LMFAO

[crisp oak]

With braced/infantry autoguns/bpistol/bolter I wasnt picking up nearly as much ammo than for the shredder

[paper trellis]

“Varlot let us praise the machine god together”

[somber axle]

and the low DPS/TTK it has vs a lot of other Vet weapons yeah

[crisp oak]

Yee

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember doing a Rending Strikes/Onslaught/Exe Stance build for fun with the Shredder Autopistol just to use it to shoot Crushers in the face in Aurics LOL

[paper trellis]

I mean what’s his face with the weeklies has asked me out to drinks while we discuss contracts

[crisp oak]

Might have to uh..... swap to somwthing better and just hadron that one

[paper trellis]

I do find it funny he gets along so well with pro vet, but can’t stand zealots

[somber axle]

like it works but it's working harder to do what other weapons can do with less effort

[crisp oak]

Probably the infantry las that I was blessed with

[somber axle]

it's still so funny to me that the Havoc meta for Vet looks to be shaping out to be Lasguns

(except Helbore)

[paper trellis]

Tbf onslaught makes pretty much anything full auto good on carapace

[crisp oak]

Well it makes sense for when ammo is scarce

[bitter turtle]

No

It's mostly because of infernus

Honestly

And ghost on 2 of them

[somber axle]

yeah but it's usually just not worth it for most Vet builds and really just for the novelty of spraying a Crusher face

[crisp oak]

Ammo effiency and dots

[somber axle]

it's a solid but expensive choice to turn a spray and pray gun into a Crusher melter but it works on like... maybe 4 guns top?

[bitter turtle]

Like

If u wanna talk ammo efficiency

Ilas is efficient

But it's not good in havoc

Cause it can't apply infernus well

[crisp oak]

So recon for havok?

[somber axle]

and laspistol

[crisp oak]

For the infernus procs

[bitter turtle]

Laspis or recon imo

[paper trellis]

When I’m running my recon I like spraying em in the face a few times for fire price before engaging in melee, surprisingly good at cutting out a hit

[crisp oak]

Right laspis has better crit?

[somber axle]

Laspistol Mk X does some crazy work vs Flak LOL

[bitter turtle]

Laspistol has ghost

[paper trellis]

Laspis is just really strong across the board

[serene bough]

i think ilas is perfectly great for havoc

[bitter turtle]

Which is heckin good

[somber axle]

oh also yeah Laspistols have higher innate crit chance iirc?

[serene bough]

just not against pus armor

[crisp oak]

Ghost and infernus

[somber axle]

15% base I thiiiink? I could be wrong though

[bitter turtle]

Yeah but like every game at high havoc is pus armor

It feels good until you have to shoot a hardened reaper

[serene bough]

dont think so, ive done 3 40s without pus

its random ultimately

[terse idol]

Isn't it still good because of its ability to kill crushers and it has ghost

[somber axle]

I mainly alternate between a goofy Recon Mk XII build that can just spray into Crusher faces to kill them or my Recon Mk VIc build that sprays everything except for Crushers with a nice can opener melee

[bitter turtle]

I keep getting pus and blight together

Maybe it's just bad luck for me then

[serene bough]

unlucky, RIP

i get moebian and blight often

[terse idol]

Woops

[crisp oak]

Same

[terse idol]

Why did I say crushers

[bitter turtle]

Ilas does not kill crushers

[terse idol]

I meant gunners

[crisp oak]

I also keep getting gloriana

[terse idol]

Gunnerssss

[crisp oak]

Hate gloriana

[terse idol]

[paper trellis]

I don’t get the moebian one. It’s just slightly tankier chaff

[serene bough]

smudgel kills crushers w/ an ilas

[bitter turtle]

Try killing a hardened reaper with an ilas

[serene bough]

everyone point and laugh

[bitter turtle]

And you'll understand

[crisp oak]

More hitmass I think

So less easy to shovel

[terse idol]

Well you'll kill every regular shooter which is also priority in high havoc

While in ghost

[serene bough]

ilas, recon, laspistol imo are the best

[paper trellis]

Oh I mostly melee with power sword, probably why I didn't notice

[serene bough]

ilas & pistol brings ghost, pistol & recon brings infernus, adjust loadout depending on modifiers

[bitter turtle]

You can't just say oh ill kill all the gunners but I'll leave the hardened ones alive :^)

[serene bough]

id use the pistol more if its damage fall off wasnt garbage

[bitter turtle]

Vet job is to kill gunners

[terse idol]

Whaat you can shoot those too

[bitter turtle]

If they are hardened it is awful

[serene bough]

pus hardened gunners are managable, IIb goes from 3 shots to 6-7 which sucks

pus hardened reapers, lol

[bitter turtle]

If non hardened modifier then yeah ilas is strong

[paper trellis]

I haven’t run plasma in havok yet, how does it handle pus gunners?

[bitter turtle]

Plasma is pretty decent from what I seen other people use

I don't play it though

I don't like plasma

[serene bough]

i guess if someone runs plasma, they're going to be chewing through all the ammo

[bitter turtle]

But I've played with other plasma vets at 40

[paper trellis]

Tbf plasma really is at its best with weapon specialist, so you’d hope they are meleeing

[brave pond]

So I’ve just been experimenting with the Zarona stub revolver and found that Executioner stance with a high Crit set up pretty much just ignores Pus Armor in havoc.

[bitter turtle]

Imo there's two main things vet brings to the table on havoc and it's dealing with gunners and grenade spam against melee elite ambushes

[serene bough]

and indirectly ammo econ

[brave pond]

Smokes are also good for making Shooters far less accurate, allowing the team to move through chokes if there is a large number of gunners

[bitter turtle]

Oh yeah that too

[serene bough]

bc survivalist and high ammo efficiency weapons

[paper trellis]

It helps that most of the lasguns are legitimately fun to use

[serene bough]

ive been using the ilas since they buffed it almost a year ago

im not very good at diversifying my loadout lol

[paper trellis]

You know what I find funny? You know that YouTuber tanner? He rails against ppl using infernus, only for it to become invaluable once havoc drops like 2 weeks later

[serene bough]

havoc just has a different meta to it, ammo econ, DoTs, and gold THP

[bitter turtle]

Tanner

[serene bough]

DoTs don't mean much in normal auric but things like brittleness and dots mean a lot in havoc where enemies have inflated hp and damage reduction

[bitter turtle]

Tbf before this only recon use infernus

[serene bough]

what else has infernus, ilas and laspistol?

[paper trellis]

That’s true, but recon using infernus was what he was angry about

[bitter turtle]

What do you use on your ilas at 40 btw

[brave pond]

All Las guns use Infernus

[bitter turtle]

Ghost and?

[serene bough]

i brought headhunter

[paper trellis]

I think helbore might, but why in the world would you use it on helbore

[serene bough]

but i considered changing it

[brave pond]

The difference is the number of Stacks they apply

[bitter turtle]

I might try it if I see non pus modifier

[serene bough]

i use IIb w/ MF but path prefers VII w/ ghost/falter

[bitter turtle]

He changed his mind on falter a bit

The whole reason I was testing it myself (@25) was bc he was talking about it

But even at 25 pus reapers were

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dae207f-6a4f-4862-ae10-5dfd41b2a242/havoc-mg4knife

[faint beacon]

I use fucking LP2 with Inf/Ghost

[serene bough]

my bild

[placid portal]

hellbor can but do you really wanna?

[bitter turtle]

O4b gang rise up

[crisp oak]

I ran hellbore with infernus

because hadron would not give me weight of fire

[placid portal]

How did it go

[crisp oak]

Didnt notice it

[placid portal]

Not like you can when you 1 or 2 shot everything

[serene bough]

3 stacks of MF (1 headshot) will 1-tap all common shooters at 10-15m (stalkers require 6 stacks at 10m)

[crisp oak]

Only thing it could help was crushers

Which it didnt

[placid portal]

Nah doesn't burn do weak damage vs Cara?

[serene bough]

so you take a few more shots on elites to deal with common gunners with greater efficiency

[crisp oak]

Yeah but basically everything else is already dead

Reapers is a 2 tap dinks, muties.... bayonet, ragers are bayonet food

[placid portal]

Yea 1 shot everything and 2 shot crushers with mk4

[serene bough]

i guess you could swap HH for infernus, but I havent tried since I didnt have enough crit baked into the build

[bitter turtle]

I don't think infernus would be good

[crisp oak]

Nah, cant deal with the mk4 bayo

[serene bough]

yeah i didnt bother

when i see pus hardened i either relied on someone else to deal with them (i had psyker BB and a puncture bolter/bistol in my team) or swaped weapons

[crisp oak]

Every time I play havok Im reminded of some of the nerfed eeapons and how nice they wpuld be here (kantrael, bromentum bayonet)

[placid portal]

Honestly it's a fucking pain to use the bayonet, I just use it if I feel like doing something stupid

[crisp oak]

I have the muscle memory from when it was an unironically good melee weapon

[placid portal]

Bromentum Mk4?

[paper trellis]

I just can’t use mk4 between the charge time and bayonet it hurts

[crisp oak]

Bromentum mk1

Basically could use melee blessings and ranged blessings on the bayonet

[placid portal]

Ay man it's not that bad once you pile up Weight of Fire

[crisp oak]

(Also fairly certain the bayonet could trigger infernus)

[placid portal]

Hot Bayonets in your location

[crisp oak]

It was the best

bring it back fatshark it wasnt broken at all

[bitter turtle]

What do you think

About between the eyes

[paper trellis]

Still hurts from that first shot

[crisp oak]

Imagine the bayo with riposte

[bitter turtle]

And drop determined

[placid portal]

It gotta be like those aggressive counter melee riposte

[serene bough]

its not a terrible choice but you gotta get a shot off before they start shooting back at you

which may be inconsistent

depends where you wanted the extra point

[bitter turtle]

True

[serene bough]

i could see that working w/ marksman since you're spamming VoC a lot

[placid portal]

Dunno I just play like clockwork when it comes to it, I guess I'm more used to MK4 Bor

[crisp oak]

I cant justify the slow swap for the mk4

[placid portal]

The bayonet attack is still unforgivable

[crisp oak]

Wait is mk4 the old mk2

[placid portal]

mk4 is old mk3, mk5 is old mk2

[crisp oak]

Ah ok

[serene bough]

id rather just accept im going to be 3-4 tapping gunner elites w/ MF stacks and 1-tapping the common gunners and be thoroughly consistent and methodical instead of trying to boost breakpoints further

i havent had enough experience yet to test all BPs in havoc 40

[crisp oak]

Mk3 might make sense tbh if it could onetap pus gunners

[bitter turtle]

Havoc setting in psykarium when

[tight ridge]

Anyway to stop charging the hellbore beside weapon swapping?

[placid portal]

Bayonet

[vernal trench]

Reload

[crisp oak]

You can unscope

[placid portal]

you have to hold it to cancel it before the shot fires

[tight ridge]

That all feels so clunky.

[vernal trench]

Yea

[crisp oak]

It is clunky

[placid portal]

True, but you're using the clunkiest gun in the game

[tight ridge]

I'd like the weapon but the fact you can't easily uncharge makes it feel like hell to use

[tight ridge]

Well no I'm not using it because of that lmao

[crisp oak]

Eh, never use more than 2 mags of ammo the mission typically

With survivalist+free ammo from crits

[tight ridge]

Recon Lasgun still solid?

[paper trellis]

Recon is still very solid

[placid portal]

wot it is truth, Helbor is a damn mule when you want it to do something unless exe stance

[paper trellis]

and I hate exe stance

[placid portal]

[tight ridge]

I feel not running VoC is rough on higher difficulty

[placid portal]

I use infiltrate

"aggressively"

[crisp oak]

To make those ragers bother someone else

[placid portal]

"Yes"

[crisp oak]

I am spoiled by voc

Cant take it off

[tight ridge]

If I got recon, what melee should I use?

[crisp oak]

Lets me play so aggressively

[crisp oak]

Shovel

[placid portal]

I haven't used VoC since the Weapon Overhaul patch

[tight ridge]

Really? I do love my shovel but it feels like it can't clear hordes for hell most of the time

[tight ridge]

Brave. It saves me and my team so often

[crisp oak]

The mk7 can do hordes pretty well

[tight ridge]

I love MK7, but the damage feels horrid

[placid portal]

I find that smokes do alot more than be vape gas

[crisp oak]

Mk1 is made for hordes

[crisp oak]

I onetap crushers with mine

[tight ridge]

Against hordes not elites

[crisp oak]

Ah uncanny strikes makes it doable

[paper trellis]

The way I see it is, if you have to dedicate your entire built to making a gun usable, it’s in a very bad state

[crisp oak]

And the sweeping heavies

[paper trellis]

And helbore requires that

[tight ridge]

wth is uncanny strikes

[placid portal]

That is true, I tested folding shovels with uncanny and it does some serious end results

[crisp oak]

A blessing that lets you ignore armor on repeated weakspot hits

[placid portal]

20% rending when hitting weakpoint

[tight ridge]

Opinion on bolter?

[paper trellis]

Which sucks because it’s cool in concept

[crisp oak]

Bolter is fine

[placid portal]

Nice, just eats ammo if you magdump

[paper trellis]

Good on most things, very ammo hungry for havoc

[tight ridge]

I really gotta mod my shovel but my shovel is just 380. I don't know if I should waste it on that

[tight ridge]

Yeaaah that's why I swapped to recon. Bolter I felt I had to conserve super had, recon is such a good allrounder

[placid portal]

Ngl I've been hooked on mk1 claw

[crisp oak]

Funny enough my helbore is pretty much a standard vet build, only node really out of the way is the lasgun crits (but you were going to take elite damage anyways)

[tight ridge]

Lasgun crit ain't meta anymore?

I thought it is since recon was always so good

[crisp oak]

I mean non lasgun builds dont tame it

[tight ridge]

Ahhh yeah fair. Plasma seems to have taken over from what I saw

[placid portal]

lmao if you took it while using autogun

[paper trellis]

Helbore and recon play completely differently

[tight ridge]

True true. Helbore felt like a weird bolter

I like helbore, but it feels worse than bolter in everything

[placid portal]

I think of it as a plasmagun but you can only charge fire

but handling is as bad as boltgun or worse

[paper trellis]

Well it’s a lot more ammo efficient than bolter

[tight ridge]

That is true. It does have so much ammo

But I waste 50% of my ammo on charges loads so lmao

[placid portal]

Probs the only few lasguns that can defeat Carapace in few shots

[tight ridge]

Recon does melt it quite well

[paper trellis]

Are you running exe stance?

[placid portal]

emphasis on "few"

[crisp oak]

Voc

[placid portal]

I think VoC has animation cancel for swapping?

[fading kayak]

Laser goes brt brt brt brt

[crisp oak]

And shout

[paper trellis]

Really? How are you hitting helbores breakpoints for gunners and other elites?

[placid portal]

by using mk4

[paper trellis]

Just stacking headshot damage?

[paper trellis]

Eww

[crisp oak]

Mk1 just does on weakspot hits

[placid portal]

Wood grips and stockis superior

[crisp oak]

Now mind you this isnt pushardened

Also run falter, so if it doesnt die its still on its ass

[tight ridge]

Speaking of different versions, which recon version is best? Anyone know?

[placid portal]

Also has superior Irons, personally would even say better than helbor skin

[paper trellis]

Hmm hadn’t considered falter. By the time a charge shot has gone off I want my target to have already died

[crisp oak]

Fairly certain the only thing my hellbore doesnt onetap (aside from the obvious) are dreg ragers

[placid portal]

That's odd, usually it one taps if headshot

[crisp oak]

Maulers are a 3 shot, crushers take a minute

[paper trellis]

? Odd puts it lightly

[crisp oak]

Oneshots scab ragers

[paper trellis]

You sure you aren’t mixing up the two?

[crisp oak]

Maybe cuz Im running elites flak

[paper trellis]

Ahh maybe

[crisp oak]

And not flakamaniac

Either way dreg ragers are bayonet stunlock fuel

Also dont take longshot

With longshot it should kill dreg ragers

[placid portal]

One thing I find funny is how MK4 helbor is how it sorta matters what build you use because if you spec to carapace, you can focus had for 2 shot, or 2 shot body crit

[crisp oak]

I think flakamaniac mk1 with infernus might oneshot dreg and scab ragers

But havent tested

[tight ridge]

Ey you lot, when is my vet ready for what havoc, anyone able to tell?

[crisp oak]

Malice is moreso just being comfortable with the base mechanics of the game

[tight ridge]

I tried using the ingame system and people keep leaving and shouting random numbers.

I've completed two 20s but I have no idea what the difference is between those ranks

[crisp oak]

Are you talking about havok?

[tight ridge]

Did I say malice again

Of course I did

Yeah I meant havoc

[umbral scaffold]

your malice is heresy and will lead to your damnation

[pseudo fiber]

Are you good enough to not die frequently

[tight ridge]

Yeah, I do fine.

Most of the time we lost was just cause someone left instantly

And it's kinda hard as 3

[pseudo fiber]

Have you got any "Flex' titles or portrait frames?

ASS, Karnak, 500000 kills etc

[tight ridge]

Does early portrait count?

[pseudo fiber]

Just put them on

[tight ridge]

I don't no-life the game

[pastel yew]

Reject

[tight ridge]

So without those i'm outta luck? Lmao

[pastel yew]

every gets it

but only the cool kids use it

[crisp oak]

I get kicked because I am under level 100 sometimes

[pastel yew]

kool with a k

[pseudo fiber]

No but some peoplenlook for accomplishments at higher level

[tight ridge]

Well thanks for the answers

[crisp oak]

Ove mostly seen level based ones

[crisp oak]

Other option is join groups in this discord

[tight ridge]

Don't have 500s yet so I'd feel bad

Pre-update didn't seem to get you much mastery

[pseudo fiber]

Oh get 500s

[balmy flume]

I am of 50/50 opinion on some of the flex titles.
If only because I know the AI is a murderous fuck, and absolutely can and will strive to make an Auric Storm Suevivor die looking like an idiot.

[pseudo fiber]

100000% do that first

I am using Havoc forged worried

Fearful

I'm gonna die stupidly

[tight ridge]

Grinding all masteries from 0 with a 460 lasgun feels dumb

but ye

[pseudo fiber]

Max mastery
Power sword
Dueling sword
Plasma gun
Las pistol

There havoc ready

[crisp oak]

As of my ranged masteries done (hellbore, bolt things, autogun, bauto) the bauto is my least favorite

[balmy flume]

Now, ambiguous or generic flexes like "Budding Interrogator" ...sign me up

Same for the gold portrait frame for not leaving anyone behind or something.

[crisp oak]

What about the stim junky frame

[balmy flume]

That is also a nice one to use

Seen others using it

[pastel yew]

ngl I think people using that title already look kinda silly

because 90% of the people with it save scummed to ge tit

maybe they're that 1 in 10 but, I aint gon hold my breath

[balmy flume]

Fair enough an opinion

[pseudo fiber]

Ring master that's a title with some chest hair

[pastel yew]

it wouldnt be so bad if they fixed the save scumming then just removed the title from everyone

yeah some people would be mad but

anyone that got it before will get it again without much difficulty

[swift river]

I do wish there was more flexibility with wargear.
I see everyone using plasma guns, and that's fine, but I'd also like my preferred gear to be a bit more effective

[pastel yew]

or not save scumming.. leave scumming?

bah

[balmy flume]

Budding Interrogator is just nicely generic, and you don't have to answer for shit if you go down.

Ironically, same for the medal you get for a single game of Auric without anyone being downed.

You can actually earn that in full honesty, and dying isn't embrmarassing in the sense that it only shows you don't die in ONE mission

[swift river]

I still yearn for a Long-Las...

[balmy flume]

Plasma Pistol when lol

[brave pond]

Hellguns

I want a proper LMG

[pseudo fiber]

Power fist I'm pretty sure we can do this all day

[balmy flume]

Enemy captains have Plasma Pistol.

[brave pond]

I want to just say “Fuck mobility I am gun”

[balmy flume]

And even then Gunners can walk with hellguns nowadays

[brave pond]

Also gotta love those guys who have no Havoc clearance who join Havoc squads and waste everyone’s time

[balmy flume]

Lol

[swift river]

I doubt we'll ever see the Power Fist in the game, which is sad

[pseudo fiber]

Why?

[brave pond]

That’s essentially a Space Marine only weapon unfortunately

[swift river]

I can see them leaving it out just cause it doesn't work lore wise to constantly switch between a powerfist and any two-handed gun

[pseudo fiber]

There are human power firsts

[pseudo fiber]

Fair enough

Here's the weapon I actually think we're getting.

[brave pond]

Since canonically everyone is right handed

[swift river]

Which one's that? I don't recognize it

[pseudo fiber]

These are the new tempestus aquilion models

[brave pond]

Honestly, as for weapons to be added to the game, would be nice to see maybe a heavy bolter for the Ogryns (even if it’s totally not lore accurate but meh not the first time.)

[balmy flume]

Hellgun without cables is, indeed, quite likely if we ever get hellguns

Since designers then don't need to think about the power backpack for rejects

[pseudo fiber]

My crackhead theory is we were going to get a hellgun with a backpack and then GW released these models so Fatshark is reworking the gun to the mag version hence the delay

[brave pond]

Honestly less crackhead theory and pretty sound.

[swift river]

My only counter to that is that they already have the hellgun with pack in the cultist models

[balmy flume]

A more realistic theory is that Fatshark asked GW if Hellguns can work without backpacks.

Then GW designers went "hang on, wait and let us make it Canon first"

[swift river]

I'd be more likely to believe this

[brave pond]

Combi weapons when

[pseudo fiber]

I mean maybe we'll finally get a full tempestus scion set

Instead of it sitting there unfinished

[swift river]

Even if we don't get new weapons though, all I ask for is a lasgun buff

[brave pond]

Honestly I would like to see a combi weapon system that allows you to basically merge guns together to make a Compatible combi gun, so like a bolter and Plasma gun

Granted to come with its own downsides but be interesting to watch zealots run with a bolter Flamer combi

[balmy flume]

Recall that in Necromunda even las weapons can be Combi weapons

[brave pond]

Yea just going with the bolter since that’s something familiar with just about everyone

[balmy flume]

TBH the bolter scale right now looks a bit too big for combi to look like our rejects can carry one

Scale wise Las combi should be alright.

[swift river]

I'll be honest, I don't like the boltguns in Darktide...

[balmy flume]

Oh?

[swift river]

Every now and then it feels like they just...don't work. Against the same enemies, I mean

They don't feel as consistent as other guns

[austere pine]

how do i get a havoc-ready recon?

[swift river]

Like, there'll be a group of enemies, all the same type, and it'll be like... "One shot - one shot - one shot - three shots - wait, what?"

[brave pond]

Head hunter, Infernus, go for Crit chance and flak armor damage.

My best set up was using Executioner stance and marksman keystones, but honestly the keystone is optional

[swift river]

And I'm talking about non-elite enemies, by the way

[brave pond]

I just use it for Fully Loaded and Shock Trooper, that way you can keep ammo topped up for your crits

[austere pine]

dump stat mobility or stability? mark?

[brave pond]

Dump stat is always Mobility, I tend to use the Mk XII

[swift river]

I dunno if anyone else has experienced that on boltguns, but that's my experience

It's not often, but it feels...weird

[brave pond]

How do you tend to set up your Boltgun?

[swift river]

I can't recall the blessing names... But I do always take the point-blank aoe one

[brave pond]

Take Puncture and Shattering Impact. Or replace Puncture with Surgical

[swift river]

And then I usually swap between the penetration bleed or Surgical

[swift river]

Yea, those

[brave pond]

The explosion only does 20 damage on rank 4

For point blank

[terse idol]

We did technically

The final scion helmet got released

[swift river]

What does Shattering Impact do again?

[terse idol]

That blue iss scion isn't it?

[pseudo fiber]

There's the green scion helmet

There's an unfinished chest piece that's been in the files for a yeat

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

[brave pond]

Target takes stacks of 2.5 brittleness. Which reduces armor effectiveness from EVERYONES attacks

[terse idol]

I thought we technically got that, but it's the green camo version

The one that was datamined was like olive

[swift river]

I'll give that a shot

[brave pond]

That’s what I use for my specialist set up but it does melt into Hordes

Of course the Zarona is still stupid as hell.

[umbral scaffold]

can this be converted to a +3 stam Curio with the new update or do i need to find one with +3 in the shop

[brave pond]

A Boltgun can’t one shot an Armored Ogryn, but with execution stance and a revolver with max Crit damage and such, you can one shot anything that isn’t a boss as long as it’s a headshot.

[brave pond]

You gotta buy a new curio

[swift river]

I wish we could upgrade curio ratings...

I hate waiting for a high one to pop up

[brave pond]

We all do.

[primal zealot]

I wish you could change the type of curio. Not the stats but the aesthetic. I NEED a full set of guardian of the hateful on all characters

[sullen merlin]

Havent played with vet for a long time, did they change the recon lasgun?

[thorn lark]

Yes

A few months ago. Before summer break IIRC

[sullen merlin]

Is it any good anymore? I just used one on a low level havoc run (14 i think?)

It seems to be barely doing any damage

[thorn lark]

Which one did you use?

A lot of people like the fast firing one with infernos dumdum

[pseudo fiber]

It's solid yeah

It was quite bad for a while

[thorn lark]

For a year and a half yeah

[pseudo fiber]

Less than that it was bad from patch... 14?

[sullen merlin]

I mean, i used that one.

[pseudo fiber]

To secrets of the machine god

So like 8 months

[sullen merlin]

But i used it before during the machine god release, it was fine.

Now it feels like im putting headshots in both gunners and shotgunners and it just does nothing...

[thorn lark]

Nope. Recon died in December 22

[pseudo fiber]

To June of next year that's around 6 months lol

[paper trellis]

Give it to vet please

[thorn lark]

P14 was big balance sweep and recon got shafted again

[sullen merlin]

It was nerfed?

[paper trellis]

When was this?

[heavy rover]

Wait what they do to the recon this time?

[swift river]

I still use the recon on Havoc, it does its job

[thorn lark]

Infernus was nerfedm. It stacked infinitely

[heavy rover]

I thought it was always capped

[paper trellis]

Wait? Are you guys talking about the hot fix today?

[thorn lark]

Not for a few weeks around release

[paper trellis]

Also it's definitely capped currently, it's very consistent in the testing room

[thorn lark]

P14 was end of 2023. Recon did not improve.

[paper trellis]

Oh

[thorn lark]

The big changes were a few months ago

[paper trellis]

Yeah that was before I played

[heavy rover]

Yeah, recon has still been going well for me even with the cap

[sullen merlin]

IDK about today but i got and used a recon around the time they released the forge map

It was fine, now i went into Havoc and gunners and shotgunners seem to be going down insanely slow even if i hit their heads.

[heavy rover]

Is that with the modifier for tougher enemies?

[thorn lark]

Recon is in good place now. Auto pistol is the disgraced king now

[sullen merlin]

They werent green

[heavy rover]

Interesting

[thorn lark]

There's hidden modifiers

[sullen merlin]

Well, guess im going back to the Hellbore then

[thorn lark]

Maybe try infernus dumdum on the fast firing one (former 6d)

[primal zealot]

XII

[hearty panther]

6c has my vote as the best

[thorn lark]

Thanks. And fuck you obesefish for changing the names.

[primal zealot]

although I believe ppl have been going for the slightly slower one in havoc since it cleaves

[paper trellis]

Everything in havok is tankier

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I've been using the one with cleave

[thorn lark]

Except players

[primal zealot]

Regardless, onslaught seems like a must have

[paper trellis]

Yeah fair

[heavy rover]

Depends on the build imo

[thorn lark]

Onslaught is costly

[orchid hemlock]

No, onslaught is a bait talent tbh

[primal zealot]

lol lmao even

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[paper trellis]

Have you tested it?

[orchid hemlock]

Lmao indead

My dude we have had this discussion like 12 times for the past 4 months

[thorn lark]

Baitleness

[orchid hemlock]

🪤

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-door-hi-gif-12672253459763705849

[heavy rover]

My recon build doesn't use onslaught and I'm still holding up in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Onslaught is good if your build is focused on dealing with crushers and bosses

[heavy rover]

Yeah, exactly

[orchid hemlock]

Other than that, other builds for recon are better for most other enemies in the game, even maulers

[heavy rover]

My build is focused for crowd control and dealing with anything less than bulwarks, crushers, and bosses

[thorn lark]

Does onslaught affect the bleed from the puncture blessing?

[swift river]

Maybe someday infantry lasguns will get a buff

[orchid hemlock]

Yes it effects everything

That's why it's good with bosses

[heavy rover]

Wait bleed affects onslaught? Holy

[thorn lark]

No

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught doesn’t really make a big difference for bosses last time I checked

[thorn lark]

Onslaught affects bleed

[orchid hemlock]

But the problem is that the point cost to get to onslaught is hard to justify when it is really only for 5% of all enemies in the game

[hollow ibex]

The one use case is mag dumping crushers

That’s it

[thorn lark]

Dots don't proce onslaught

[swift river]

Mag dump crushers, oooor... Poke'em in the head with the pointy end of your melee weapon once or twice

[orchid hemlock]

Yes it does

[thorn lark]

I wish we could test havoc bps in the psyk

[orchid hemlock]

It has an interesting interaction with Infernus

[thorn lark]

Wasn't it fixed?

[orchid hemlock]

The other problem with onslaught is that it can only proc on one target at a time

[orchid hemlock]

What they fixed was the dots of multiple targets or setting the stacks

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent

[crisp oak]

Still worth it on an autogun for that usecase alone in my opinion

[swift river]

I've heard people complaining about the Powersword, how is it right now?

[hollow ibex]

Waste of ammo and you’re fucking your build with tax nodes. Not worth it imo.

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah tbh, even with onslaught u shouldn't be magdumping crushers

[swift river]

You should never mag dump anything... Except bosses

[crisp oak]

I mean it isnt done often

Just.... when a group of crushers need to disseapear

[swift river]

Or if you have a group of gunners all really packed together

[thorn lark]

Ok that's the setting the stacks part that is confusing mw

[orchid hemlock]

U are not going to kill a pack of crushers with one clip

[primal zealot]

Duh

It’s for everything else

[swift river]

A group of crushers is just two shredder grenades and lotsa melee

Save the ammo

[crisp oak]

This is also true

[hollow ibex]

taste the blood 😋

[orchid hemlock]

If onslaught proceed on multiple targets, then yeah it would be one of the best talents in the entire tree

[crisp oak]

It doesnt?

[thorn lark]

A crusher is also 4 bolter rounds with shat puncture

[orchid hemlock]

No, it never did

If you cleave thru multiple targets, only one of them will receive the stacks.

Nobody else

[swift river]

I almost never shoot at Crushers or Maulers. They're always melee and grenades. Just a waste of ammo otherwise

[crisp oak]

I see

[heavy rover]

Damn, that's rough

[orchid hemlock]

In fact, if you switch targets too often then none of them will receive the stacks

[paper trellis]

Is there a site to check the effective stat differences between stats at 60 and at 80?

[orchid hemlock]

Because it keeps reseting

[crisp oak]

Good to know thats like 3 points I can save

[heavy rover]

Looks like I'll be sticking to my Deadshot crowd control build then

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAA

infernus has an interesting interaction tho

let me see if I can test it in the psykanium to show yall

[primal zealot]

If infernus does what I think youre saying it does you best keep it to yourself. We had a similar funny interaction on ogryn. Had.

[balmy flume]

Infernus has friendly fire...?

[patent zephyr]

Idk how but I just got the Deadeye penance done and I had the shout skill

[thorn lark]

Depends on the situation. Your team. Your stock of nades.

[swift river]

Well I ain’t shootin if I can take them down faster with two heavy melee attacks

[crisp oak]

What if Im not using a dueling sword

[orchid hemlock]

ok looks like they fixed onslaught it does work on multiple targets now

but u were right, the dots no longer stack it anymore

as you can see they both have brittle:

a bit hard to see

[crisp oak]

In other words, not a bad node but the funny kantrael shotty method no longer wirks

[orchid hemlock]

whats interesting about infernus is that it continues the burn with the brittle proc

so you get max value from brittle even if you stop firing on the target

[tall torrent]

no

[red laurel]

Considering taking the Shock Maul. What should I know about it? What is the difference between the marks?

[orchid hemlock]

yeah I already corrected myself

[primal zealot]

It sucks but go ahead

[orchid hemlock]

#veteran-class message

[primal zealot]

The one that looks like a medieval mace is the better one

[red laurel]

They both look like a mediaval mace

[primal zealot]

It gets skullcrusher so not reason not to take that

[orchid hemlock]

i think the shock maul is good

because it is an excelent counter to bullwalks

[swift river]

Use Knoife

[orchid hemlock]

it's only real weakness is bosses and it is mediocre into multiple ragers

[crisp oak]

Idk why but the range feels off for me

[red laurel]

Boy I sure do love getting amazing rolls first try

[orchid hemlock]

But being able to straight up negate bullwalks is extremely useful at times

[red laurel]

They both look like Mediaval Maces, so which one do you mean?

[tawny timber]

the flanged one

[red laurel]

The spiked one?

[tawny timber]

🤦‍♂️

[crisp oak]

Im just happy they fixed their hitboxes

Hitting one from the side and getting blocked sucked

[thorn lark]

Yep exactly.

[red laurel]

When is flanged ever used? How are you expecting a random guy on the internet to know what flanged means?

[tawny timber]

[crisp oak]

[tawny timber]

go on internet explorer and search flanged mace

[crisp oak]

Maces bro

[thorn lark]

What if want/need horde clear? (Don't answer Rashad )

[orchid hemlock]

rashad

[crisp oak]

Chainsword

[red laurel]

Achlys

[thorn lark]

[crisp oak]

Just special attack it like 50 times

[thorn lark]

Man of culture here

[crisp oak]

Used the achlys, never clicked... rashad clicked

In seriousness, are the chainswords dead now?

Used to see tons of chainsword peepz in quickplay, now I dont see any

[pseudo fiber]

Mk1 (spikey) more strikedown attacks diagonal heavies for horde clear
Mk3 (flanged) more horizontal stuff better horde clear slightly worse single target (though has a looping overhead heavy for all your police brutality needs)

[red laurel]

Achlys is just a funny Axe. It's Rashad but "oops all vertical" and it has a funny heavy strike

[orchid hemlock]

trash wave clearing is not the problem in higher difficulties

it's mixed waves

[primal zealot]

Chain sword is fine

Perfect example of mid

[orchid hemlock]

having to wait 2 seconds for an animation to finish and being unable to block or dodge in the entire duration just to hit one mauler is not going to cut it

[swift river]

Grenade!

[umbral scaffold]

best vet melee for mixed wave clear?

[swift river]

Grenade solve many problem

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad and PS

[umbral scaffold]

rashad is dogwater for mixed waves, im always hitting ragers or maulers

PS it is

[orchid hemlock]

it is?

what blessings do u have on the rashad?

[opaque crane]

any tips for playing havoc as vet? Been playing ogryn for a while

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

actually wait the DS is a bit wrong

agile is better for havoc for survival

ok i fixed it

[opaque crane]

Ooo thank you 🤘🤘

[orchid hemlock]

there is another build where u stack stamina and stamina regen to then use deadshot and have unlimited ammo

but this one is not that

[opaque crane]

Oh wow!

[orchid hemlock]

in high havocs tho, the most important thing is being as ammo efficient as possible

u want to give ammo to the rest of your team because zealots can take flamer

or bolt guns

[opaque crane]

Ahh okay!

[orchid hemlock]

at havoc 40, the ammo drops are only 25%

Survivalist however doesn't count

so you give 1% ammo to the entire team

[heavy rover]

Yeah, can confirm, stacking stamina and Deadshot is fun. And also with the Target Down on keystone you can refill stamina while shooting

[opaque crane]

Holy toledo! I'm only around 25 right now 😱 survilast sounds pretty killer for havoc

[orchid hemlock]

frags are also very valuable in havoc to stun the nasty ragers and crushers

i honestly wish I could use more points for grenade talents but there are too little points

smokes are also very strong, unfortunately it costs too many points to use

[thorn lark]

Yeah because you need survivalist + voc

[heavy rover]

That's the fun in Darktide, no? Always gotta play that ruthless game of calculus

[orchid hemlock]

u can maybe make something like this work, but not having those crit nodes really hurts your ammo econ

u loose damage here but u get the crits

[patent zephyr]

Getting this 90% accuracy penance is gonna be the death of me

[atomic kernel]

Literally never used a Plasma Gun before, what blessings do you shooty boys go for?

[terse idol]

Gets hot, glory hunterr

[trim steppe]

Double barrel shotgun on the train mission, ezpz

[trim steppe]

Gets hot and rising heat are a good combo too

Just spam left clicks don't charge it

[atomic kernel]

Hmm good to know

[trim steppe]

Flak and elite are good perks

[atomic kernel]

Is there ever a case to charge or always spam?

[trim steppe]

No

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot Rising Heat

[tame lodge]

Spam M1 ad infinitum

[torpid quail]

Which gender of Loose Cannon does mProfessional kiss the most do you guys reckon

[atomic kernel]

Charge Rate dump then I'd guess?

[trim steppe]

Short answer is yes

Ideally you want 69 thermal and 71 charge

[hollow ibex]

Logical but not quite

@tired egret

[patent zephyr]

Hm
I shall give it a go
Once I get me a good double barrel

[atomic kernel]

Huh good to know

[trim steppe]

So get as close to 69 thermal as you can without dipping under, rest into charge rate. But if you do 80 TR and 60 CR you'll be fine still

[atomic kernel]

Is this a decent enough build to start grasping Vet with a plasma gun?

[trim steppe]

Drop longshot, it's not very good. But yeah that'll do fine

If you drop longshot and the 8 stacks keystone buff node you can afford to get reciprocity on the lower right, which is amazing

[atomic kernel]

Ahh yeah that's a good shout

Words can't express how much of a fish out of water I feel with Vet

2 years of playtime

Mine is level 24

[trim steppe]

Heh. It's how I felt about zealot for a while, my first 200 hours were straight into vet

[atomic kernel]

I have played Playtest till today, got True Survivor and all

All on Psyker XD

[terse idol]

Imo you can drop like

Grenadier too

You already got the skill that gives you a grenade every minute

[trim steppe]

Disagree, taking both is 🤌

[terse idol]

Imo unless you're doing bistol it ain't for me

[trim steppe]

Shredders completely destroy whole rooms, I want as many as possible

[terse idol]

You could find a few points when you move the 2 points from the two extra nodes from focus target, 1 point from grenadier

And take tinkerer

if you're taking grenadier you may as well also upgrade your grenades

[atomic kernel]

I didn't take grenadier did I?

That confused me XD

[trim steppe]

Throw 2 into a stack of maulers and earn one back so you can double throw another pile of elites

If it was me I might drop field improv and just have a naked keystone with no buffs, and then I can afford to get desperado

[orchid hemlock]

Sigh, u screenshotted this from the Squad Leader build didn't u?

😔

[atomic kernel]

No XD

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db17405-feeb-4a9d-8a50-d03831292a30/plasma-gunner-6

[orchid hemlock]

oh wait there is one node off

[atomic kernel]

I was just following general advice then came here for refining XD

[orchid hemlock]

this is what I would do for plasma if you also want FT:

the last 4 points are up to you

[bitter turtle]

Tinkerer doesn't boost shredder dmg

[terse idol]

Isn't the explosion damage worth it or no?

[bitter turtle]

Not really

The bleed is doing the lions share of work

[terse idol]

Imo if you're taking alot of like grenade talents you should take it

[orchid hemlock]

the majority of the shred grenades damage is the bleed

[bitter turtle]

Aoe of bleed increases

[terse idol]

But if it's that bad urgh

[terse idol]

Oh that's worth it

[bitter turtle]

But I don't think that's worth 2 points

[hollow ibex]

It’s worth for the radius on a grenade meme build

[bitter turtle]

In the context of havoc i think it's a waste of points

Whatever you're throwing it at is generally right in your face

[orchid hemlock]

in all honesty this is prob better

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[atomic kernel]

Oh this is a build for a friend, who hasn't played since launch month, wanting to get back into it with their Vet

[bitter turtle]

Grenadier is better if you can afford it

[orchid hemlock]

and this:

[bitter turtle]

For nade build

[atomic kernel]

And I am pretty bad at helping cause I don't know Vet XD

So definitely not Havoc XD

[orchid hemlock]

unfor this is kinda being a gambling addict

[bitter turtle]

This is more questionable but it says a lot that I have genuinely considered it starting from around havoc 35+

[orchid hemlock]

its cringe that Im rolling the dice

this is very useful tho

[bitter turtle]

Ye

[orchid hemlock]

this is what I would do for max grenade damage:

this also goes well with recon

well other than no reci 😔

i would rather take an autogun here tbh

[terse idol]

Is bistol survivable on like

Havoc

*sweat

Me as I try to bring greandier bistol

[bitter turtle]

Idk I've heard some people use it but I haven't actually played w/ anyone using it on 35+

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d977d0c-17df-4db4-bf9a-33a60111274d/grenada11?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[peak tree]

Anyone have any suggestions for videos of someone playing veteran at a high level? I just hit 30 and want some visuals of how a higher end veterans play style may look. I do fine on damnation but am not highly confident in it.

[regal vector]

what level if any should i feel comfortable as a veteran infilling into heresy with randoms

[vital wren]

Whenever you are clearing Malice without taking much damage or being downed, probably.

[terse idol]

Just heresey level 4?

Probably just 20

And yeess

If you're comfortable

But also the only way to get comfortable with high difficulties is to play em

[vital wren]

Yeah I've seen people in there in the teens but they weren't doing well. 😄

[grand perch]

i dont have full matches but i can offer these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KOcgQzt0JA&feature=youtu.be

[terse idol]

If you're really comfortable frankly you could play a diff 4 as soon as you're eligible to do so but if you're more new being higher doesn't hurt

[peak tree]

Much obliged.

[red laurel]

What is the best ranged gun against Carapace?

[peak tree]

I'm just trying to get a better idea of if my play style is working for the team well, as well as any specific movement or positioning, flow, etc. behaviors Im not noticing I may want to change

[ivory rock]

This aint a bad roll right? Prolly promisin later?

[terse idol]

You want max power and ammo

[ivory rock]

zamn

[regal vector]

crazy me too. i probably have a 1/3 chance of extracting from those the past few days im lvl 25 usually my team has been close to the same level but seems like the same thing keeps happening things go smooth for a few minutes then next second one person is left alive, but with 5% health and a pox hound chewing on them

[terse idol]

Iirc stability doesn't affect the helbore much

Gotta find a stability dump

[orchid hemlock]

me 😎

[orchid hemlock]

around the mid 20s is when things spike from heresy to damnation, so it is around the same difficulty as an auric mael

[terse idol]

You should play around to see potentially where you couuuld find improvement

Like ahh

Watching someone is valid

[ivory rock]

you know dump stat for columnus? just got an 80 everything 60 mobility one (3 dodges)

[orchid hemlock]

this becomes a wake up call for a lot of people who cant consistently carry in auric maels

[terse idol]

Just remeber to be near your teammates

VoC is also just helpful

[orchid hemlock]

tbh a good psyker makes havoc runs 1000 times easier

but then again

that is the same in aurics 💀

[peak tree]

Got a link?

[orchid hemlock]

oh i was shitposting

[regal vector]

honestly psyker has been the hero lately in any match im thinking since update right?

[orchid hemlock]

nah it always has been

psyker in a team oriented game is just giga broken

zealots have that solo clutch potentional, but having a psyker stun and infinite cleave everything just makes everyone's lives easier

[regal vector]

Guess youre right maybe im just seeing a lot more people using them proper

[peak tree]

Not like the playing will stop :p but good to see things outside of my own behavior.

[regal vector]

yea 4 sure zealots are dominant reliable killers but when i run my zealot first one i want on my team is a psyker with shield and elctric

[terse idol]

That's truuue

i don't have any suggestions however lmao

https://youtu.be/2sxq2jIMJ84?si=LbvkMtNICuiEG7B7

I don't think MaC is bad

[orchid hemlock]

Tanner is a vet main, so if you just mute his gameplay videos you can get some value from them

[vital wren]

Why does this Penance have a progress bar?

[regal vector]

I probably shouldnt even be thinking about this penance but since i saw it cant stop wondering how hard it will be.. On overwatch? (malice, take no melee) ik lots of u probably did it by now. just looking for opinions

[regal vector]

just a guess did u beat it on sedition ?

[vital wren]

So you can get it if you take melee damage, just not to your Health. If you get melee hit at 100% Toughness none bleeds through. Also if you have golden Toughness from Voice of Command or elsewhere there's no bleed.

[hollow sphinx]

Could someone give me a good build for a stealth veteran

[vital wren]

Yep. Odd for it to even track that though! I'd expect it to be 0/1.

[orchid hemlock]

this is a meme build tbh https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d67f64e-5960-41d8-bb1f-6e991d65ea76/main-character-syndrome-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow sphinx]

Is it any good?

[regal vector]

thats wild i didnt watch the whole video but the 5 minutes i did watch dude didnt take a single melee i just dont have that level of chill in me

[bitter turtle]

what gun/melee

im going to guess auric

not havocs

[terse idol]

Just gotta practice your positioning and like horde control stuf

[orchid hemlock]

If you know what you are doing then yes

[hollow sphinx]

Dunno thinking either helbore lasgun, Bolton pistol or the revolver

[bitter turtle]

helbore doesnt really fit stealth playstyle

i can give you one for boltpistol/revolver though yeah

its pretty similar to what orcka posted

ill just give m y take though

[hollow sphinx]

Yhyh sure

[orchid hemlock]

If u use a revolver I would take Rashad over knife

U also don't need those stamina nodes I posted

[hollow sphinx]

Yhyh

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/9c32f8e66b24d9324c3a0912f9ee867f.png

if you are using knife i would adjust it slightly more but

for any melee that doesnt rely on push attacking (costs stamina) this works

[hollow sphinx]

Yhyh thanks it looks pretty good to me so I'll give em bothw a rry

[paper trellis]

You know it's juicy when the honey and juices pool up

[paper trellis]

Thankfully I haven’t had to get that old for my cooking

Made some nice mashed potatoes to go with it

[red laurel]

I just learned of a build idea. Use Conditioning to spam Deadshot

[bitter turtle]

invigorated should be enough

[red laurel]

What's Invigorated

[bitter turtle]

restore 20% of stamina on swap

[red laurel]

But you need a kill to proc Invigorated

[bitter turtle]

i would hope you are killing

[red laurel]

I'm a little off of Shock Maul mastery 7 to switch marks

Good thing I got a random Shredder Autopistol drop

ofc trash would give trash EXP

[trim steppe]

You get crap XP for sacrificing guns outside the family. If you sacrifice the same type of gun as what you're building mastery for you get like 5x+

[red laurel]

Is a guy not allowed to make jokes in peace?

[trim steppe]

Like a green of the same family is 9300xp or somesuch

[bitter turtle]

No

No jokes allowed

[trim steppe]

In the grimdark future there are no jokes