veteran-class

[crisp oak]

mk1 shovel (this is a joke use the mk7), columnus autogun

[unreal marsh]

driller is the best drg class hands down im like legendary +14 on him

[tiny valve]

Spouting fax

[cyan verge]

I like all the classes but digger is the best if you want to carry

[unreal marsh]

lit like 1200 hours on that game

[cyan verge]

I am not a daring person I just want to win and move on with my life

[tiny valve]

I only have like 400 currently but I've been playing more darktide recently as I literally just started this game.

[unborn dove]

What’s the best melee weapon for Veteran? I have a perfect roll chain axe but haven’t empowered it yet

[paper trellis]

Ik I just found it funny you recommended the most cracked vet setup

[cyan verge]

duelling sword IV

[bitter turtle]

rashad combat axe for all around effectiveness

[crisp oak]

Honestly I like focus target more than weapon specialist

[cyan verge]

focus target is good too

[paper trellis]

I really wish I liked Rashad more

[cyan verge]

I actually like both of them just fine

[bitter turtle]

ds4 is poor at horde clear

[crisp oak]

Same

[crisp oak]

Not with weapon specialist stacks....

[karmic moat]

lol love it love the anti-armor shovel, jelly even xD also find it funny you have 3 blessed bullets. it's like hey I don't need bullets for pew i have lasgun so they're trikets now xD

[tiny valve]

I'm working towards it, main reason I chose it over weapon specialist is I couldn't be bothered to read/understand the statistics.

[unreal marsh]

is rashad and colum autogun the best combo for vet?

[paper trellis]

Funny thing is I really enjoy the taxe. Shame it has all of no carapace damage

[cyan verge]

idr what's the other one, oh yeah marksman, marksman is junk

[crisp oak]

Works in havoks below 20 at least

[karmic moat]

my antax axe won't leave me

[strange oxide]

hi, I wanted to use this build with db shotgun + combat axe, but i don't really like the rashad - what changes would i need to make if i swapped to the antax?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeF6LFKhAf8

[bitter turtle]

ists never going to clear as good as rashad

[cyan verge]

doesn't need to

[tiny valve]

Combat axe? Yeah same it's the first weapon I 100%ed the mastery for, also one of two, but still the first.

[bitter turtle]

it does if you play havoc 40 with no purg psyker

on moebian 21st modifier

[paper trellis]

1. Kill 5-10 ppl with melee
2. kill one person with gun
3. profit

[bitter turtle]

then u hate yourself when you have four ds4 zealot/vets

[crisp oak]

Need to try out the rashad (thats the mext melee after tacaxe)

[cyan verge]

sounds like a team comp issue

[karmic moat]

i can show you mine later, at werk rn

[cyan verge]

you need someone to tackle hordes

[bitter turtle]

yes

[cyan verge]

it may as well be inferno staff psyker

[paper trellis]

The tactical axe is the one I enjoy. Sadly it’s just flat out worse than combat axe for armor

[bitter turtle]

that is why you would bring rashad

[tiny valve]

Actually guys I'm currently running claw sword or whatever it's called would you recommend I continue with that weapon or go back to my combat axe? Or switch to a different weapon like the chainsword

[bitter turtle]

which is my point

[crisp oak]

Use what you like

[bitter turtle]

and yes it would be nice to have a purg staff psyker

but we dont always get what we like

on our teams

[tiny valve]

Eh seems too complicated for me, maybe I should just go play ogryn.

They don't have to think a lot do they?

[paper trellis]

No. Recon and plasma are probably the two strongest guns

[crisp oak]

Kill shoot gun, kill with melee, swap back to gun to get ammo back

[tiny valve]

For legal reasons this is a joke I like playing vet just not having to worry about spending multiple hours getting meta stats

[bitter turtle]

in auric or havoc?

the meta is differennt between them

[tiny valve]

Thing is I can't really tell the difference so idk what I should be using.

[bitter turtle]

auric -> yea
havoc -> rashad yes, autoguns no

[umbral scaffold]

Trying to randomly join a 25 Havoc to get the pants be like

[cyan verge]

yeah good luck with that

[crisp oak]

I would say just try out all of the weapons until you find one you like

I like the shovel the most

[tiny valve]

Ok will do

[cyan verge]

I joined a bunch of 24/25 games and it was a shitshow every time then I joined a 28 and it was like oh this is sensible

[umbral scaffold]

Respected Sir, please let me do one mission to get a cosmetic. Thank you very much

[cyan verge]

Send to Spam

[crisp oak]

Despite the dueling sword being required of me in later havoks

[paper trellis]

Shovel is unironically great

[umbral scaffold]

I imagine people at high Havocs are either chill af or the biggest bitches in existence

[crisp oak]

I know

Its great

[tiny valve]

Knowing most games the biggest bitches in existence

[crisp oak]

Next patch: vet gets 2 handed shovel

[tiny valve]

You make the tiniest slip up in most games at high level and you get kicked

[paper trellis]

Helps that shovel can shore up any weakness in a build

[umbral scaffold]

I will just host my own

[unreal marsh]

whats sugested for havoc

[tiny valve]

Nah we need dual wield shovels to go with the Vrax pack

[cyan verge]

depends on the grade of mistake

[crisp oak]

2 handed so we can dig deeper

[paper trellis]

I just want power sword and thammer to work like relic blade. It feels so good to use and I love the charge attack

[cyan verge]

I have kicked people in auric maelstrom for doing completely stupid things

[umbral scaffold]

I played with a bunch of people who were higher up and the games were going well but the social climate was awful

[cyan verge]

after making very questionable decisions beforehand

[umbral scaffold]

I think i was spared the shittalk cause i am a noob

[cyan verge]

it's already rough enough in auric maelstroms that if you make 1 mistake you can just be GG game over

[bitter turtle]

recon, laspistol, bistol (ive been told, havent tried)

anything with dots

basically

[cyan verge]

so in havoc it's like, doubly so

[bitter turtle]

infernus is extremely good in havoc

[cyan verge]

you just cannot make, any mistakes

[crisp oak]

Bistol... really?

[bitter turtle]

yes because of puncture apparently

[crisp oak]

Guess it is ammo efficient

[bitter turtle]

i dont know i havent tried it myself

[cyan verge]

there are chances for recovery but you really do not want to be in that situation

[bitter turtle]

so take that one with a grain of salt

[cyan verge]

oh, bolt pistol for bleed application I guess

[bitter turtle]

only have used laspistol and recon

[paper trellis]

Bolt pistol is fun and strong

[cyan verge]

except yeah the ammo efficiency would probably be pretty bad

[crisp oak]

Bolter might work better if puncture is needed

[paper trellis]

That’s true

[bitter turtle]

maybe

[cyan verge]

so maybe it was a game where they had like 2/4 psykers

[crisp oak]

Weapon specialist ammo regen

[bitter turtle]

bolter mobility is pretty ugh but you could try it

[paper trellis]

You need to use a melee setup with it

[crisp oak]

Is clutch af on the bolt pistol

[paper trellis]

It’s not regen. It pulls from your stock

[cyan verge]

2/4 psykers, 1 with like electrokinetic, 1 with inferno, 1 zealot spamming melee with no flamer, and 1 vet with bolt pistol and puncture taking 100% of the ammo drops

that'd be my guess

[umbral scaffold]

How do you even get such people? I just solo Q and it works well for me@cyan verge

[paper trellis]

If you run out of ammo weapon specialist dies

[umbral scaffold]

For Auric Maelstorm

[crisp oak]

Am I a silly billy

[tiny valve]

Oh also forgot to ask, I've seen a few krak grenades but mostly just frags does everyone use frag on vet? I've seen literally no one use smoke.

[cyan verge]

if you haven't played since the update I think a lot of newer or worse players are running them atm to get into havoc

[bitter turtle]

smoke is great in havoc if you have no dome psyker

its arguably better than dome at really high levels

[paper trellis]

lol no worries. It’s an easy mistake to make

[bitter turtle]

but frags are still the best

kraks are very niche

[tiny valve]

I have no clue what that means I got here last week

[bitter turtle]

oh mb

well in that case

frag is the default nade

so if you're levelling a lot of people might just be used to it more

its also teh best grenade overall

[tiny valve]

Yeah I've seen that it's what I'm running

On my mess of a level 24 build

[cyan verge]

also idk, I just know I was playing with a zealot the other day who was playing like a bot, like he was standing outside of an airlock meleeing horde and he literally chased like a hound 15m away from party and got downed, so we go out save him and he just does it again, like it was unforgivable shit to see in AM

[crisp oak]

Dome is the psyker sphere shield

[bitter turtle]

smoke requires more though than

"i see a lot of enemies"

so a lot of people dont use it

[paper trellis]

Kraks are for when you want a boss to die very quickly, or to hit a crusher as you go rescue a downed teammate from it

[karmic moat]

frag with extra shrapnel and sometimes a suprise friend: another grenade!

[bitter turtle]

it also was garbage until they buffed and bugfixed it in the past

[paper trellis]

Or a pack of crushers

[bitter turtle]

so it has a negative reputation

[umbral scaffold]

The Havoc matchmaking is a disaster

[cyan verge]

the problem is too is like smokes just haven't been relevant before so it's probably gonna take a while

[placid portal]

Smoke gets better the denser the enemy gets, i.e High Intensity Shocktroop Gauntlet

[umbral scaffold]

Some clowns join who aren't even allowed to play Havocs

Cause they join via their friends

[cyan verge]

oh yeah I saw that yesterday

[tiny valve]

Oh yeah I saw that earlier, no clue what it does I think it regens toughness since I got shot and meleed through it when trying to do an interrogation.

[paper trellis]

Do you guys throw smokes on the party, on enemies, or use it as a wall

[cyan verge]

on my gloriana runs

I let one guy in

then he invited a friend

[bitter turtle]

do not throw them at enemies

it does nothing

[cyan verge]

and I had a bad feeling as soon as I saw that

[placid portal]

Yes

[cyan verge]

but yeah the party lasted 2 minutes before we wiped

[crisp oak]

It also blocks bullets

[cyan verge]

2 minutes in havoc like 24

[crisp oak]

In high havocs, the bullets hurt more

[umbral scaffold]

Havoc seems messy af

[cyan verge]

it wasn't even high havoc

it was like strictly midtiers

[umbral scaffold]

Why can people even deny the Havoc mission, i listed?

[tiny valve]

I don't even dare to do havoc.

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-face-palm-picard-trek-gif-15072590366303305471

[paper trellis]

Wdym

[crisp oak]

Tbh set up a room in discord

[placid portal]

Smoke prevents a good majority of specials from using their ability other than mutie and sniper if they are outside of the smoke

[crisp oak]

And do it that way

[tiny valve]

Currently I'm only doing malice and even then I lose matches to my teammates being idiots.

[paper trellis]

It’s really not as hard as it sounds

[cyan verge]

there's a handshake, if they click 'invite me' then you click 'accept' they get a window I think that says 'do you want to join the party' and they can click nah

[umbral scaffold]

I just want the cosmetics and then i want to go Auric Maelstorms cause they're more fun

[tiny valve]

Like I die to a crusher cos I was backed into a corner with literally no movement possibility so I get one shot. Then the psyker runs up to him and starts wacking him and gets one shot.

[cyan verge]

lol

[tiny valve]

Three minutes later we lost the match cos half the team was dead.

[placid portal]

Rip

This is why I use claw vs crushers

[bitter turtle]

smokes also help against specials

#veteran-class message

smoke vs flamer

lol

[paper trellis]

So how should one use smokes? I haven’t used them a lot

[bitter turtle]

throw them at your feet or where you are going

[cyan verge]

well

[bitter turtle]

do not throw them at enemies

[cyan verge]

if you see a lot of gunfire

[bitter turtle]

it does nothing

[paper trellis]

Smoke nulls flamers? Well shit

[bitter turtle]

i have tested

[cyan verge]

wait

[crisp oak]

According to the penance, throw it at a horde

[cyan verge]

really

it doesn't work if you drop it on enemies

[bitter turtle]

yea the penance is stupid

[cyan verge]

there's a penance that

[bitter turtle]

it does not

[cyan verge]

wtf

no way

[bitter turtle]

i know

[cyan verge]

that's wild

[bitter turtle]

the penance is fucking stupid

[tiny valve]

Then there's also the flamers. Idk why but I just feel INCREDIBLY squishy in general and earlier I got revived in a fire, still had 3/4 of my health only one wound and then as soon as I'm revived I get downed to the fire.

[paper trellis]

So be Batman

[placid portal]

They dont extinguish flames like CSGO but it sure does stop them from using it if you make use of it

[crisp oak]

"Engulf 2k mobs in smoke"

[cyan verge]

in havoc you lose toughness and HP

so

[tiny valve]

https://tenor.com/view/man-yeah-i'm-man-meme-the-flash-batman-arkam-gif-12016075606724428920

[cyan verge]

yes you are squishier than ever before

[paper trellis]

There are a few penances that are just stupid

[crisp oak]

Yeah

[tiny valve]

This was malice

[paper trellis]

Like loner penance is legitimately just anti team

[bitter turtle]

inf act

[crisp oak]

Which one is that?

[bitter turtle]

even if you are IN THE SMOKE WITH THEM

#veteran-class message

they can still ishoot you

and ofc, if you are outside and they are in the smoke

they can still shoot you

so the penance is fucking dumb

[paper trellis]

So treat smokes as bubble without the regen

[bitter turtle]

yes

but bubble eats projectiles inside

[placid portal]

Smoke blocks line of sight but only reduces sight range if they are inside

[bitter turtle]

so its worse in that sense

[crisp oak]

Not bubble, the wall one

[paper trellis]

I can work with that

[bitter turtle]

however

smokes last 15/30 seconds

always

bubble will go down in 6 seconds almsot guaranteed

in havoc

not that it amkes it bad

but thats the edge smoke has

BUT

smokes dont block bomber LoS

they dont give a fuck

[placid portal]

And sniper too iirc?

[bitter turtle]

like they will straight up chcuk it on top of your entire team standing in smoke

it works vs sniper

[paper trellis]

How about trappers?

[bitter turtle]

trappers have shortened range but will still find you

dogs are confused

sec

i recorded all of them

[placid portal]

Trappers will have to enter smoke to shoot at limited vision range

[paper trellis]

It works on dogs? Did not see that coming

[bitter turtle]

dog
#veteran-class message

[placid portal]

I swear we put meth in these smokes, they are all tweaking

[bitter turtle]

sniper
#veteran-class message

[paper trellis]

Hmm if smokes are actually worth a damn I might tinker with a build or two

[bitter turtle]

bomber (does not work)

#veteran-class message

also mutants dont care

but mutants also dont care about dome

so its whatever

[placid portal]

I personally thunk smokes get better the more enemies there are

[paper trellis]

That cut made me chuckle

[tiny valve]

Man that guy had somewhere to be

[placid portal]

Wolfer dont pay me enuff for this shiiit

[paper trellis]

Now how do I avoid my party tweaking over me using smokes?

[cyan verge]

depends

[tiny valve]

Exterminatus

[cyan verge]

I really don't think you need em in anything other than havoc

[tiny valve]

Your party can't tweak out over you using smokes if there is no party

[crisp oak]

Be in a premade

[paper trellis]

That sure sounds like heresy

[placid portal]

Lol I just quickplay into auric maelstrom and people were chill

[tiny valve]

They're the ones complaining about imperium issue equipment

[placid portal]

Still failed that mission bc I forgot to spam more smokes at the end 😭😭😭

[polar fern]

What do you guys think about the bolters. Pistol or rifle?

[cyan verge]

bolt pistol and boltgun are both good

[placid portal]

Depends on how you wanna approach enemies

[placid portal]

Pistol is more reactive normally

[cyan verge]

yeah boltgun is pretty slow

slow reload slow draw

not the WORST draw but slow

[indigo lark]

is there any special build for havoc 20+ or do builds really start mattering for specific keystones at 30+?

[hollow ibex]

Well it’s the funny “dump all aggro onto the team button”

[crisp oak]

Bolter does neuron activation

[bitter turtle]

you can quickdraw the bolter

[placid portal]

Boltgun can magdump into big chunks of enemies and do fine

[paper trellis]

Tbf bolter feels like you see some nastiness approaching and you don’t want to deal with it

[placid portal]

The worst is heckbor in terms of swap speed for vets

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

[crisp oak]

And do ~75% of a monstrositys hp

[bitter turtle]

bolter quickdraw

this was pre buff even

[cyan verge]

wow

that's fast

wtf

is it just aiming as you pull it

cuz yeah I do that already

[bitter turtle]

er didnt meant oq uote

no

its

have 1 bullet empty in the chamber

[placid portal]

If weakened, yea

[bitter turtle]

reload to cancel swap animation -> sprint to cancel reload animation

[paper trellis]

You think smokes are worth grenade regen perks?

[tiny valve]

Yeah I was using it to rival my friends six shooter quickdraw build because funny

[bitter turtle]

maybe in havoc

i dont smoke in havoc personally though

[crisp oak]

If weakened it just disseapears

[bitter turtle]

i acknowledge its good

but i think shredders are still better

[cyan verge]

shredders are REALLY good

[bitter turtle]

i use smokes in aurics just for point efficiency

cause idc

[crisp oak]

Ueah shredders let you infinite grenade works

[cyan verge]

I did not believe until I used em but yeah you can genuinely just throw shredders all the time in havoc

[crisp oak]

Shredders kill elites->demo team->kills elites

[paper trellis]

I think I have one build with kraks specifically because power sword and recon already have great horde clear, and I want that fleshbag out of my face

[crisp oak]

Krieg grenadier might work ironically

[placid portal]

Demo team also proc if teammates kill elite right?

[crisp oak]

Yup

[bitter turtle]

krieg grenadier is exaclty what i do in havoc 40

if you mean

[paper trellis]

Shredders have good cc and damage

[bitter turtle]

"wear a krieg outfit and take every grenade talent"

[crisp oak]

Yup

[placid portal]

Imma have to find 1 more talent point then

[paper trellis]

With helbore? Really?!

[bitter turtle]

no not with hb

[paper trellis]

Oh

[bitter turtle]

which is why i clarified

lol

fake krieg

fake fan

im sorry

[crisp oak]

Could run infantry

[paper trellis]

I have such a hard time making helbore passable

[bitter turtle]

i tried ilas on path's suggestion

but came to the same conclusion of

iots really good until you get pus hardened modifier

and then its so fucking bad against that that i think it kills it for me personally

[crisp oak]

Yeah pud is oof

[polar fern]

I like the recon las. But I heard is not very efficient in the longrun

[placid portal]

I have rare instances I get to pull 5 stack weight of fire gunning down everything

[bitter turtle]

in auric there is better but its still pretty decent

in havoc its meta

[paper trellis]

? Wut recon is cracked

[bitter turtle]

you are probably reading old posts

it got buffed a while back

[paper trellis]

Recon is legitimately amazing

[crisp oak]

Vet is honestly there as a paersonality pick (and by personality I mean survivalist and field improv)

[cyan verge]

recon is a very good gun

[polar fern]

Probably. I got the game last week

[ornate ivy]

whats the meta for power sword?

[bitter turtle]

just use what you like

[placid portal]

Vld or whatever the high dakka recon mk is goes BRRRRR

[bitter turtle]

everything up until the really new endgame mode they just released can be easily cleared with any loadout

[cyan verge]

power cycler + brutal momentum for power sword

[paper trellis]

Anything more than like 2 months old is outdated

[bitter turtle]

so its better to just play what you have fun with

[paper trellis]

The vast majority of gear is viable

[leaden skiff]

Recon takes so long to kill in havoc

[crisp oak]

I miss uncanny stroke bayonet

[cyan verge]

basically never look up anything about darktide unless it's in this discord because everything outside of this discord is at least 1 year old in google search results

[leaden skiff]

I must be missing something

[paper trellis]

It’s mostly the builds that make or break

[bitter turtle]

are you running infernus?

[leaden skiff]

Yes

[placid portal]

Tank the malding from your teammates bc you brought a heckbor and smokes in Auric Damnation

[bitter turtle]

idk then

[paper trellis]

Get your crit rate up my man, and get those headshots

[bitter turtle]

dots are really good in havoc though

since not reduced by hardened skin

[polar fern]

Thanks for the advice guys. I started with the zealot but I'm really hooked with the veteran

[placid portal]

Havok meta is dots i guess

[bitter turtle]

well

laspistol is also really good

[cyan verge]

veteran is the best and most fun class in the game

[bitter turtle]

so yeah there's a pattern here i think

same with purg staff

and flamer

all dots lol

[leaden skiff]

Headshots aren't the problem, get plenty. Just feels bad to be holding the trigger for five seconds or more on a gunners head

[placid portal]

Laspistol got ghost + infernus

[paper trellis]

I do hope combat shotgun and helbore get buffed

[bitter turtle]

if you're shooting a hardened reaper

that's just the reality of it

it takes even longer on most other guns

[paper trellis]

I really enjoy combat shotgun. Sadly it’s just not that efficient

[placid portal]

Heckbor mk4 might need to land 2 crit heads if harden

[bitter turtle]

i havent tried

kinda wish they'd add the option in psyk

[crisp oak]

Bring mynkantrael back

[bitter turtle]

i couldnt check if my 14 recon was actually cleaving trash until asking here lol

(it wasnt)

[paper trellis]

Recon don’t cleave but fires so fast it might as well

[bitter turtle]

they do cleave

mark 14

cleaves through pocwalkers in auric

[paper trellis]

Does it? Huh didn’t notice

[bitter turtle]

havoc, eventually the hitmass is increased to the point where all it can cleave is shooters

[placid portal]

Im just throwing guesses really, mk4 crit headshot vs unyielding 1 shots reaper + bulwark and given harden to 50% res 2 shots to head is best guess

[last peak]

Does born leader increase the amount of toughness i give to teammates with voc?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[civic knot]

Does vet have less base recoil compared to other classes?

[paper trellis]

Don’t you love it when ppl at a sister workplace do something incredibly stupid and you have to clean it up

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/fda834bd28ab298555f4c7b7c4ef98ed.jpg

[paper trellis]

Neat

[placid portal]

That sucks 😔

[crisp oak]

What do y'all run on the infantry las btw?

[cyan verge]

depends

for havoc ghost + the other one

[paper trellis]

How good are you at quick headshots?

[cyan verge]

ghost and... shudder? ghost and... fade? ghost and...

[crisp oak]

I used the hellbore with irons... effectively

[placid portal]

Same

I use helbor with hipfirr

[crisp oak]

So hopefully fine

[civic knot]

Does vet have less base recoil compared to other classes?

[placid portal]

[cyan verge]

wtf I'm doing rolling steel sedition and it keeps dropping me like NEAR max power weapons

[paper trellis]

One of the crit blessings along with the crit headshot blessing can do some work

[cyan verge]

gave me this earlier and I was like wtf this is legitimately better than my current revolver

[paper trellis]

Neat

[cyan verge]

and this is on the easiest difficulty on the shortest map

[paper trellis]

Train

[cyan verge]

train

[crisp oak]

Yeah mission drops are buggin

[paper trellis]

One of my favorite maps tbh

[tall torrent]

No

[cyan verge]

I think they improved it dramatically with the last update

10% more time + less minigame is a nice buff

[ancient path]

has anyone tried the other infantry las guns?

[paper trellis]

It does have deadshot, but it’s kinda niche

[crisp oak]

Meanwhile brunt's weapon req keeps givin me perfect weapons

[placid portal]

Meanwhile Auric Damnation drops:
69 damage cap 40 penetration cap
80 mobility cap😭😭😭

[bitter turtle]

less minigame

[cyan verge]

no one has ever tried the other ones, ever

[bitter turtle]

thank fuck

[civic knot]

deadshot it only sway reduction

[bitter turtle]

rolling steel is the worst mission because one person just has to stare at a circle for 75% of it

[cyan verge]

yes, the way it works is, now you just plant it like a normal data interrogation then someone has to do the minigame for the last 25% of the bar

[bitter turtle]

thank fuck

[ancient path]

ah good im very glad no one has ever tried the other lasguns ever since darktide has been in development

[cyan verge]

so it's a LOT shorter

[bitter turtle]

i might actually play it more now

[cyan verge]

and the mission gets +10% more time across all difficulties

[bitter turtle]

cause the best way to carry is to do the stupid obj asap

lol

[ancient path]

ill be the very first guardsmaam to try one out

[bitter turtle]

so ironically its the most boring thing to do

[placid portal]

I dont use deadshot on helbore no more, I like my stamina and I want to keep jt

[cyan verge]

so when before you were doing rolling steel damnation and going aaaaa because you always get down to about the last 30s ish by the end, now I guess you'll have an extra minute or so on top to do it

[crisp oak]

Dont need deadshot, got surgical

[cyan verge]

this should help a lot to make it... doable

[paper trellis]

I need to get my executioners stance penance done so I can never use it again

[cyan verge]

there's

[placid portal]

Spoke no truer, though I will miss having 65% crit every shot

[cyan verge]

like seriously 10 exe stance penances

lmao

it's unbelievable

[ancient path]

good luck

[crisp oak]

I hate exec stance

Mainly because my muscle memory for voc

[paper trellis]

It is so much worse than the other two options

[crisp oak]

Keeps kicking in at the worst moments

[crude wind]

it doesn't do enough

[cyan verge]

I don't like it either, it's not terrible but imo they should probably like... the node that highlights specials, IMO, should be universal and they should buff exe stance so it is generally stronger

[crude wind]

which is a shame because conceptually it's cool

[paper trellis]

And the only utility option of highlighting for the party actively gimps you

[crisp oak]

Make it last 20 seconds so the penance is easier

[crude wind]

if it restored all your toughness and gave you iron will for its duration it could be considered

[paper trellis]

Thank you

[cyan verge]

I think every skill of vet's should highlight all specials nearby for you, and with exe it should automatically highlight it for other players as a bonus, and then on top of that exe should give like +damage +fire rate perfect accuracy no recoil and no suppression so you have more of a reason to take it

[placid portal]

Using Exe stance for damage ❌
Using Exe stance to wallhack

[crisp oak]

Instant reload

[paper trellis]

Don’t think I’ve ever had a party that kept hordes off me well enough that executioners stance would be consistently practical

[cyan verge]

and instant reload AND instant equip

like ogryn

like it needs more to be truly 'executions stance'

and not just, oh I get some attack speed

[placid portal]

Loyal Protector Ogryns

[crude wind]

even then

it

is still tricky to get consistent value from

[crisp oak]

Tbh if it also worked for melee that wpuld be cooler

[ancient path]

i miss instant reload

mag dumping bolter > exe > mag dump was really fun

[paper trellis]

Sadly I don’t run with many since I mostly play with pubs. But they truly are awesome

[crude wind]

same yo

[ancient path]

but you cant be having fun in your pve game

thats illegal

thats why they nerfed ogryn

[halcyon zephyr]

Is there a real shooter deleter for higher level havoc that isn't plasma or boltgun?

[placid portal]

There are at least.... more than 2 ogryn mains sah

[crisp oak]

Want to get good with oggy

Without shield

[cyan verge]

also why does the bolt pistol have a maximum range of 75m

[crisp oak]

Need to learn how to dodge better

[cyan verge]

asking for a friend (friend is me)

[halcyon zephyr]

Dodge slide is your friend

[placid portal]

Infantry autogun is the real shooter culling tool

[paper trellis]

If you want to learn to dodge well, zealot is absolutely your friend

[lusty sapphire]

Easy. Kill betterer

[crisp oak]

Yeah need to get used to slide dodging

[bitter turtle]

I use VIc recon or laspistol

[halcyon zephyr]

I don't wanna use those iron sights 😦

[paper trellis]

Ironically playing zealot made me a much better vet

[halcyon zephyr]

Shit this is what I fear.

[crisp oak]

Columnus irons are cash money

[karmic moat]

I'm the only person who it seems cannot into bolt pistol. I am just, a terrble shot, with bolty specifically

[halcyon zephyr]

I want to delete shooters and still run weapon specialist + VOC

[bitter turtle]

@40 in case you wonder

[halcyon zephyr]

I guess I'm trying to eat my cake and have it too

[placid portal]

Brauto it is, hip fire ftw

[bitter turtle]

Er

[bitter turtle]

Why would that be a problem

[crude wind]

Las pistol is unironically pretty damn good in Havoc

[halcyon zephyr]

doesn't work as well in higher levels unfortunately

[bitter turtle]

For recon or laspis

[karmic moat]

wait mien doesnt use irons he just hip fires?

[halcyon zephyr]

because I'm bad obv

[paper trellis]

I want to like brauto more, but the time to kill always seems lacking

[halcyon zephyr]

It's so much fun on Heresy

[bitter turtle]

If you use bolter already you definitely are good enough to use easier weapons

[cyan verge]

braced autogun is not the infantry autogun

[placid portal]

Agripinaa Brauto is fun as heck

[karmic moat]

great for hordes

[cyan verge]

infantry autogun = ironsights
braced autogun = weird braced hipfire mode

[halcyon zephyr]

Why would you brace the gun, that's actually throwing

[karmic moat]

I am a dingus, thank for the clearning up

[placid portal]

Why brace when crouch fire like CSGO

[halcyon zephyr]

Check the name lol

[halcyon zephyr]

Exactly!

[bitter turtle]

I crouch fire my recon a lot

Idk why sometimes

I feel like I'm safer

[cyan verge]

cuz I was explaining it so we're all on the same page here

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

Doesnt the Graia and Columnus Brauto have unique effects from bracing?

[halcyon zephyr]

Fair and balanced

[crisp oak]

Braced also seemed to have less armor pen for me

Not sure if just weapon I got and blessings, or how it actually is

[halcyon zephyr]

brauto has so much more pen than it looks, and DS+FF on it means the closer enemies just charge it up

[cyan verge]

idk I just spray and pray (to the emperor)

[crisp oak]

Maybe its cuz Im not hitting weakspots

With its braced spread

[cyan verge]

I mostly just find braced autoguns tedious since they have very bad accuracy, I need to be able to hit that guy 80m away, that is important to me, and I can't do it with braced autog

[crisp oak]

Facts

[bitter turtle]

Run it with stripped down and sprint at him

[halcyon zephyr]

I initially had this problem about a year ago when I first came in here and talked mad shit about the brauto and then was converted

[cyan verge]

I mean for mid ranges it's fine it's just yeah if there is a gunner way over 'there' like you might need to tap fire a lot to hit him

[crisp oak]

Is there a better way to use it?

[bitter turtle]

Thats why i said

Run it with stripped down and sprint at him

[cyan verge]

LOL

[bitter turtle]

Unironically

[cyan verge]

that's so funny

that would work too

[crisp oak]

Does the ranged immunity count for sniper shots?

[halcyon zephyr]

I haven't run it since the bolt pistol got buffed, but I ran Deathspitter + Frenzy Fire with an 80 stability Brauto. Charge up Deathspitter via close kills then tap shoot them from a distance

[cyan verge]

yes

[halcyon zephyr]

I think it counts for ranged damage

It's range + ego damage

[cyan verge]

ego...?

[bitter turtle]

Ghost works vs snipers so I assume yes

[cyan verge]

imagine being a sniper and you shoot a guy and he just ignores it because he recently shot someone in the face

[bitter turtle]

I still dodge anyway just in case

[cyan verge]

yeah

duration is pretty short so if you can dodge may as well

[crisp oak]

Cam you still infinite kite ranged with the stamina one and the slide dodge stamina gain?

[bitter turtle]

Yea

If you mean 🦆 and 🤿

[placid portal]

Stripped Down users when they see gunners:

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-the-matrix-swerve-lunge-dive-gif-22197111

Does stripped down apply to snipers

[bitter turtle]

I assume so based on ghost but I don't know for sure

[crisp oak]

yee

if so might make sense over ghost for havoks

though..... does it work with your melee out

[halcyon zephyr]

With the above comments in mind

I really hate these iron sights

[crisp oak]

how do you have a 381 weapon?

[cyan verge]

WHAT

[halcyon zephyr]

Visual bug prob

[placid portal]

Is collateral even useful on recon?

[halcyon zephyr]

I don't think so

it's just a flashlight

[paper trellis]

Fairly certain it’s the dump stat

[halcyon zephyr]

Honestly, same

[placid portal]

Might as well dump collateral for mobility

[crisp oak]

not like it matters

[placid portal]

[cyan verge]

the recon sights

are god tier

you have never SEEN bad irons until you use the helbore

[paper trellis]

Tbf collateral does effect suppression, but it fires so fast it doesn’t need it

[halcyon zephyr]

Avid helbore denier, so no I won't see it

[crisp oak]

helbore is p2w now

[placid portal]

Dont loike em, would rather use helbore irons

[placid portal]

Nah use mk4

[crisp oak]

vraks skin irons has a front sight

[paper trellis]

Vraks infantry?

[crisp oak]

no

[paper trellis]

Vraks infantry slaps

[halcyon zephyr]

Sights tier list
laspistol - God tier
Kantrael - S Tier
Bolter - B tier
Everything else - D tier
Helbore - F tier

[crisp oak]

nah like the weapon skin in the shop rn

has a front sight

[steady wolf]

laspistol? erm... 🤢

[paper trellis]

I wish I was good enough to justify kantrael

[crisp oak]

tbh columnus should be in B

[paper trellis]

Laspistol is great, what are you on about?

[crisp oak]

most of the infantry autoguns tbh

[cyan verge]

unironically true

[placid portal]

As much as I like kantrael sights I find it too visually overwhelming to use, much prefer simple dot or cross

[cyan verge]

really mad about that

[placid portal]

I just use mk4, I hate the skin iron

[crisp oak]

or you mod and give it the kantrael sights (you lose the charge indicator though)

[cyan verge]

the recon has like beautiful tritium irons that line up perfectly

[placid portal]

I used it and felt sick bc it did not feel good

[crisp oak]

don't like the mk4

[cyan verge]

by comparison the helbore is like "eh here's... a front post, kind of, that turns invisible if you look at anything with it"

[halcyon zephyr]

for me it's > til the game crashes

[placid portal]

Understandable

[cyan verge]

yeah I had very bad stability issues with weapon customization personally, a shame

[crisp oak]

honestly haven't crashed with the newest one

[cyan verge]

oh is that so

maybe I'll try it

[halcyon zephyr]

Attempt 2, same blessings and perks as the first one?

[cyan verge]

since I WANT to use it, but, alas

wtf

why only t3?

you can have T4 blessings and perks dude

[halcyon zephyr]

Just made it

[placid portal]

Placeholder*

[cyan verge]

🤔

well

whateverz

[crisp oak]

why not infernus over dumdum?

since you should be critting boatloads

[paper trellis]

Mind posting a pic? Idk what the sights look like and the fandom website is shitting itself

[placid portal]

Maybe infernus in havok

[bitter turtle]

5% crit and flak

Dumdum infernus

[crisp oak]

sure hol up

[bitter turtle]

Use both

Headhunter isn't needed

[paper trellis]

Imagine not doing dum dum and infernus

[crisp oak]

knew one wasn't needed

didnt remember which one

[paper trellis]

It is legitimately pretty easy to get good crit chance on recon

At least on vet

[halcyon zephyr]

So this is a "perfect" recon rn?

[paper trellis]

Autocorrect I am going to punch you in the throat

[paper trellis]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

Yea

[paper trellis]

Also dum dum effects base damage, so you get stronger fire dot

[crisp oak]

white line is heads

[paper trellis]

Huh, that’s a fair bit better than the base iron sights

[crisp oak]

yeah

unironically p2w

[paper trellis]

Tho I think I’ll probably still stick with the reflex from weapon customization

[crisp oak]

yup

im a fan of a good irons

over the holo

[paper trellis]

Most of the irons in this game aren’t great, but the recon has fantastic irons

[crisp oak]

its why I liked the infantry autoguns

[halcyon zephyr]

just can't get weapon customization mod not to crash or seriously slow my game

[cyan verge]

yeah there we go

[paper trellis]

Infantry has good ones too

[cyan verge]

incredibly rude

I honestly am not a huge fan of the weird squared off thing over the front post but

at least it has a glowy bit to it

[halcyon zephyr]

They gotta fuck it up somehow ya know?

[bitter turtle]

Weapon customization

[cyan verge]

it's just a shame they forgot to add like a rear sight

[cyan verge]

so once again it's just a front post

[crisp oak]

its a period accurat front sight

[paper trellis]

The most recent patch fixed most of them

[cyan verge]

'period accurate' the period is the 41st millenium

[paper trellis]

Still didn’t fix no trinkets on laspistol and infantry lasgun tho

[crisp oak]

I mean its not a picatinny rail as a sight

[paper trellis]

Ik totally small thing but I like my little scroll caddy

[vernal trench]

Damn whats that skin

[bitter turtle]

The gun?

It's weapon customization mod

[vernal trench]

Oh

[paper trellis]

Tbf half of the weapons are literally just recovered schematics

[bitter turtle]

So it doesn't exist in game

[vernal trench]

I thought its a skin lmfao

Mb

[paper trellis]

Lot of good skins in it

[crisp oak]

thats a flakmark recon

[paper trellis]

No relic blade or two handed force sword yet

[crisp oak]

you can turn the helbore into a mars pattern lasgun

I have to redownload the weapon customizaiton mod so it doesn't break my knife skin

[paper trellis]

That’s what that part setup is supposed to be? I couldn’t make heads or tails of it

[crisp oak]

the weird small branx pattern

[paper trellis]

Tbh I still don’t like how most of the helbores look even with the mod

[cyan verge]

by the way randomly, why do people not shoot barrels when they see them

[crisp oak]

thats makes you remove the bayo from the gun

[cyan verge]

90% of the time, barrels just cause you more trouble than it does the enemies...

just shoot barrels on sight imo

[ancient path]

its kind of cool how ghost is really useful now with the gunner buffs

[bitter turtle]

You can also turn it into a gunblade

[paper trellis]

Removing the bayo from helbore is heresy

[amber ether]

thats racism

[bitter turtle]

[crisp oak]

thats the extended

mod isn't it

[bitter turtle]

Yea it's an old pic too

[ancient path]

yep

[crisp oak]

(don't recognize that blade type lol)

[paper trellis]

The melee is literally the best part of helbore

[crisp oak]

used to work with melee blessings

fatshark should bring that back

[bitter turtle]

They should have kept bromentum

[ancient path]

kinda wish infernus was cooler on ilas tho

[bitter turtle]

Limbsplitter was busted though

[crisp oak]

still wouldn't have been broken

thrust

[paper trellis]

Would be nice if it hit with more stacks

[crisp oak]

uncanny strikes

[lapis isle]

Someone have tips for the on overwatch penance?

[ancient path]

ye.

[crisp oak]

imagine it with precog lol

[bitter turtle]

Anytime you hear a backstab noise press dodge

Run infiltrate and hit stealth any time you take a melee hit

[crisp oak]

jump off a cliff at the start of a match (don't do this)

[bitter turtle]

Run mobile weapons like laspistol and knife

You can take the first melee hit if you are at full toughness

Since it does no bleed through dmg

So if you just hit stealth the moment something taps you you should be safe

[crisp oak]

did fs fix that btw?

[cyan verge]

if it is racism then I am racist against barrels. I hate them. I hate those damned barrels.

I take excutioner's with the 'Executioner's Stance marks all nearby barrels during its effect' node so I can kill barrels more effectively

[ancient path]

what is the wait to count as something as an 'opening salvo'

[lapis isle]

Stealth might work yeah

[bitter turtle]

Recoil reset

[primal zealot]

Like 2 seconds

[bitter turtle]

You can also look at the icon

[bitter turtle]

No that's way too long

[ancient path]

ooh thats why ppl go opening salvo on ilas 7

[primal zealot]

There’s a timer for it at the bottom

[bitter turtle]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Do not

[bitter turtle]

And it's definitely not 2 seconds

[ancient path]

oh oops i read it wrong. roman numerials hard

[primal zealot]

Only thing I’ve used it on is stubber 1 and it more or less lines up with max surgical stacks

So idk it might vary by weapon

[bitter turtle]

Oh maybe on ogryn

It does

[ancient path]

meant IX. which is ... 9?

[bitter turtle]

Since it's based on recoil reset

[ancient path]

i think

[bitter turtle]

For vet weapons none of them take 2 seconds, thats hella long

[vital wren]

holy shit this chat scrolls

I went and ate some food and came back and it was like 500+ new 😄

[tall torrent]

IX gets some use out of it
But it’s not enough

[heavy rover]

wanna make it go faster?

[halcyon zephyr]

ahh much better

[crisp rapids]

i wish the was something to make it easier to aim

[crisp rapids]

the conveniently compatible ogryn sized reflex sight:

[halcyon zephyr]

let me introduce you to Aimlabs

[crisp rapids]

i have the perfect soyjack response

for this statement

give me a second

[crisp oak]

height over bore

[crisp rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836480430945468438/1315770856475201536/947596.mp4?ex=67589e9a&is=67574d1a&hm=58fc622d746bc0f11bb325f711277cceddd94dc7181e8cb79703d24aff638cea& cant find it

have this isntead

[halcyon zephyr]

aim seems centered

[crisp oak]

yee its not bad

[halcyon zephyr]

I'm on everything

[paper trellis]

Damn dude unlocked a new node by the power of racism

[cyan verge]

you guys don't have it...?

[paper trellis]

Nope

I’m neutral on barrels

[cyan verge]

I hate em because often me and my team push into one and then we're standing next to a red barrel all going like uhhh so what are we gonna do about that barrel. no one breathe near it okay, then inevitably a zealot with relic blade nicks it with the tip of their sword and we just have to cope with standing in the fire for a couple seconds

[paper trellis]

What is that minigun centaur in the mechanicus ad?

[cyan verge]

... minigun centaur????

mechanicus ad???????

can you like show a picture

[paper trellis]

Sorry, tacticus

[cyan verge]

all I can thikn of with like minigun centaur is, the necron destroyer

[steady wolf]

that's the early boss from Doom!

Doom Hunter from Eternal

[cyan verge]

huh?

do you mean sabaoth from doom 3

which I am not gonna show a picture of since it's moderately horrifying and off-topic

[paper trellis]

https://youtu.be/esat047M3v0?si=_fImKU8zUjQ73YYA
at the very beginning and again midway through

[cyan verge]

thanks

this thing?

[paper trellis]

Yes

[cyan verge]

I honestly have no idea what that is

[steady wolf]

why it have tf2 bread bite mouth

[cyan verge]

maybe they invented it for this game, or it's some new chaos model idk anything about

[serene bough]

forgefiend

[paper trellis]

I thought it was a centaur because the cut as an ad is different

[cyan verge]

forgefiend, thanks

[paper trellis]

Like dark mechanicus demon engine?

[austere mica]

It’s a daemon engine yes

Decently common

[cyan verge]

wow 2012

I have been out of the loop for a long while

[paper trellis]

Idk it was in the ad for a video I just pulled up

[cyan verge]

yeah it originated as a model for 40k obviously

12 years ago and I just did not know about it

[paper trellis]

I’m still a wee babe of a 40k enjoyer

[cyan verge]

all I know is defiler

which is old

[bitter turtle]

Thats why I don't shoot them sometimes

Cause my team awkwardly stands around it not sure if they should go near it or not

[cyan verge]

lol

[bitter turtle]

And I'm scared one will walk forward just as I shoot it

Lol

[cyan verge]

yeah I just mean like, ideally you deal with it by shooting it when it's very distant right

then you never have to worry about it again

that would make me happy if that were a thing I could force into the brain of every other player

cuz odds are barrels are not going to help you

[bitter turtle]

They help you

With barrel kill penance

[cyan verge]

true

[bitter turtle]

[cyan verge]

I am already pretty far along with that

I am like 1000/2500

[bitter turtle]

Same

I'm on the last one

[cyan verge]

I just lied because I have legitimately sometimes killed hordes by blowing a red barrel then just running past it so hordes chase me through the flames and inexplicably all die

there's a couple places where it's the shortest route so they will happily just run through it

[bitter turtle]

Too bad red barrel doesn't count towards penance

[paper trellis]

They can help during a retreat

[cyan verge]

no way

you're joking

that makes me so mad

[paper trellis]

Hit em and keep running

[cyan verge]

why does nothing work and why is everything broken

[bitter turtle]

The actual explosion does no dmg

[cyan verge]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

So they died to burn damage

[cyan verge]

surely the burn damage counts as barrel

[bitter turtle]

Not the barrel

:^)

[cyan verge]

but

[bitter turtle]

• fatshark probably

[cyan verge]

the

[paper trellis]

I got it accidentally in that one mission with the massive area where you have to reset all the terminals

[bitter turtle]

Wait no

I lied

Just searched

They patched it to work

[cyan verge]

oh

GOOD

[bitter turtle]

Didnt in the beginning though

[unborn dove]

What would be a good combat axe roll? I have all 80% besides mobility at 60%

[bitter turtle]

That

[unborn dove]

Idk how good first target is

[bitter turtle]

Thags the good roll

[bitter turtle]

The most important stat

[unborn dove]

Alright nice

[bitter turtle]

Moreso than dmg

[unborn dove]

Really why?

[bitter turtle]

Influences damage more than the dmg stat

Dmg is actually the lowest or 2nd lowest influence

First target > finesse > pen or dmg depending on what you're hitting

In terms of influence on your damage

[unborn dove]

Alright nice I got it then even tho it’s grey lol

[cyan verge]

okay

you don't understand weapons so let me explain

you can upgrade:

• power level (bringing up stats to potential maximum)
• perks (changed whenever you want)
• blessings (whenever you want for)
• rarity (for plasteel + diamantine)

[bitter turtle]

You just upgrade it to gold

[cyan verge]

so as long as you have the 'correct' potential maximum stats, i.e. 60% mobility, then you have a 'perfect' weapon

even if it is 'grey'

[unborn dove]

Ohh okay I’ll definitely upgrade then

[cyan verge]

wait since you are obviously new you probably are poor

[unborn dove]

What would be good perks/blessings?

[cyan verge]

what power level is it right now

is it like 300

or more like 90

[unborn dove]

270

[cyan verge]

that's fine

[tall torrent]

Carapace + unarmored/elite
Brutal momentum
Headtaker

[cyan verge]

you can invest in it then if you like it

[bitter turtle]

Yea just upgrade it to 500 if you like it

And yeah that

You need unarmored if you don't take a lot of melee talents

[cyan verge]

also before you ask, yes you can change the 'version' of the weapon by clicking Marks in the inventory screen and if you have a combat axe you probably want the 'Rashad'

so if you have a weapon that's the wrong mark don't junk it just because

[unborn dove]

Well fuck that’s a lot of weapons gone lmao

Especially the revolver

I couldn’t get Zarona for a looong time

[cyan verge]

sigh

that makes me sad

well, unless it had perfect stats it's fine

you can freely junk random things that don't have perfect stats

oh and yes in case you haven't figured THAT out yet either 'Discard' in the inventory screen is actually 'Sell' cuz it gives you money + mats, sometimes

which you will mostly want to do only when your weapons are max mastery

[karmic moat]

wishing all vets a happy bayonet charge today

[peak tree]

whats the plasma gun dump stat?

[austere mica]

Doesn't have one

69 thermal 71 charge rate

[elder fiber]

Plasma dump stat is your time and resources

[peak tree]

:p

[elder fiber]

Or accepting a non god roll based on preference of charge vs thermal

[peak tree]

theres a decent one available on the limited exchange, was eyin it.

[cyan verge]

@tired egret

[last peak]

If there is no dump stat then is a full 76 plasma gun any good?

[cyan verge]

no

@tired egret

[austere mica]

You'd miss your breakpoints

[cyan verge]

you're looking at melk's store aren't you

[last peak]

I was just curious. Not even playing atm

[cyan verge]

well okay

[paper trellis]

The struggle of trying to get a perfect roll plasma

[steady wolf]

60 mobility stuff takes like 6-12 checks of Brunt but it's been hundreds and no perfect plasma

how it be ig

[cyan verge]

yeah, or eventually you just buy greys and brute force it

[steady wolf]

me too poor

[cyan verge]

exactly

gotta play the game more

[steady wolf]

That just leads to levelling more gear and staying poor lol

Gonna take a while

[cyan verge]

you can bring any old crap into damnation it's fine

just be good

[steady wolf]

Not on my oggy lol, rumbler is so bad 💀

Hopefully WS double barrel and knife is good in higher diff stuff

sure is crack to use tho

[austere mica]

It gets glassy in high havoc

And you actually begin to reach the limits of fucking Manstopper

[bitter turtle]

Double barrel will not work

Knife yes

[hollow ibex]

Until Moebian 21st rolls up

[bitter turtle]

In havoc I mean

[hollow ibex]

Then you’re hitting one guy per swing

[bitter turtle]

If you mean auric diff

Anything works

[bitter turtle]

This is why the purg psyker is there

[steady wolf]

I thought it was infinite cleave

or is it damage/hitmass limiting

[austere mica]

You would think

But havoc has

a FUCKTON

Of hitmass

[bitter turtle]

Otherwise all the 4x ds4 teams would fold

[austere mica]

It isn't true infinite

[steady wolf]

Interesting

[bitter turtle]

Just like how bromentum caps at 4

Fatshark is lies

Why can't I kill the entire horde in one swing

It's not fair

[tall torrent]

BM cap is actually 3

[bitter turtle]

Oh?

[tall torrent]

It works 3 times (which lets first target be on 4th enemy)

[bitter turtle]

Did they nerf it or do you mean

Ok yeah figured

[tall torrent]

It’s coded as working 3 times

[bitter turtle]

Yeah i getcha

It's technically 3 because the first enemy isn't applying bromentum

Is what you're saying

[tall torrent]

I can’t believe I’m forced to consider running knife over axe

[bitter turtle]

I would

Did you guys make it back to 39?

[tall torrent]

No we ended after 6th loss lol

[bitter turtle]

It happens, hard bc you really do rely on teammates

[tall torrent]

I’m more frustrated by not getting any progress to my penance cuz I rly want to get the M53rd chest armor

[bitter turtle]

What are you at rn

[tall torrent]

31/50

[bitter turtle]

Damn

[tall torrent]

I didn’t play that much

Cuz I know I don’t have to specifically grind levels

I’ll just find high ranks to join eventually

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[cyan verge]

yeah oof

[hollow ibex]

Wait why lol

[paper trellis]

does the powered up stage of power sword have infinite cleave? i'm not sure why cleave would be it's dumpstat otherwise

[austere mica]

Brutal Momentum exists

[tropic notch]

It just has alot but yeah I dump cleave targets

[austere mica]

4 targets of zero falloff

[tropic notch]

I hope they rework the power sword like the relic blade

[fading yarrow]

Someone call the techpriest. The Party Finder's machine spirit is acting up

[austere mica]

They probably won't

[austere mica]

clear your keywords

[fading yarrow]

?

It's someone's PF with no-one in it

[austere mica]

Oh I thought it was a generic error

[tall torrent]

Melee combat is irrelevant outside of killing elites

[vital wren]

Dammit. 😄

[paper trellis]

i got one with 69 charge 71 thermal. I was malding then laughed about it

[pastel yew]

yall burning cash to get a literal stat perfect plasmagun

?

[vital wren]

Well this one just happened to be on Melk's but pretty much. No luck so far.

[pastel yew]

to be fair