veteran-class

[hearty panther]

well, not exactly

it'll make you wish you did

but your life will end

so its not so much an active rethinking

[tall torrent]

I’m learning smokes as well

[hearty panther]

seems like you had them figured out

[tall torrent]

Didn’t use it much cuz normally it’s not needed

Nah it’s actually not complicated

[hearty panther]

just toss em between us and ranged dudes

[tall torrent]

Basically smoke corridors / good holdouts

If we get a choke point I will throw one regardless of enemies being near

[pastel yew]

whats the density of enemies like

auric maelstrom level?

[tall torrent]

I got that tinkerer + stockpile + demo team build

[pastel yew]

with both grenade gens thats what

2 grenades a minute

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1314345083780468888/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.12.05_-_16.34.48.52.png?ex=67536ebf&is=67521d3f&hm=576a9c738c2d8d3b2fb8493d54666b89791b2544bdd7fa66f05290234b6e36d6&

[pastel yew]

ish

[wicked epoch]

i havent heard of smoke nades being used

also did they fix the mods?

[pastel yew]

fix?

[wicked epoch]

few days ago they'd crash yer game

[pastel yew]

they put in a rushed fix

which they said may cause other issues

but I've not heard people complaining since so

do with that what you will

[hearty panther]

oh thats me

[wicked epoch]

neat

[hearty panther]

wait i topped damage? lmao

[pastel yew]

I had a lot of my mods fucking explode though

[tall torrent]

Ya

[pastel yew]

awful time trying to figure out which ones were causing crashes

[hearty panther]

psyker is wild

[white minnow]

most damage taken tsk tsk tsk

[tall torrent]

I think I did ok for a “meme” build

[pastel yew]

damage taken doesnt matter

health is a resource

[white minnow]

TRUUUUUUE

[tall torrent]

He blew up, twice (what not having warp unbound does to a gun psyker)

[hearty panther]

LOL

[pastel yew]

every point of health you dont take as damage was wasted.. except the last

[hearty panther]

three times?

its for my smyker

shameful i know

[white minnow]

your will was not crystalline

[tall torrent]

Twice

[hearty panther]

otherwise, least damage taken 😎

[pastel yew]

wait how do you detonate as a gun psyker

[hearty panther]

the most dangerous heretic is inside u

[pastel yew]

doesnt scriers baby you

what changed

[hearty panther]

oh its easy you just toss a shard at 100%

[tall torrent]

At least u got value out of that med stim that just happened to spawn nearby

[pastel yew]

ahhhhh I see

yeah I've ugg

uhh

maybe done that before

🚬

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[pastel yew]

guess we'll never know

[white minnow]

i would never

i would simply not blow myself up
just that shrimple

[hearty panther]

funny scoreboard though shows a good split of psykers output

good into hordes, good against key targets, zero boss potential

[tall torrent]

Smoke so good Azrael got on that smoke hype train

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[leaden skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[hearty panther]

he just wants an excuse to get closer to agile engagement i bet

and you were bolter right

[tall torrent]

Nah, laspistol 2

[hearty panther]

oh both of us

that thing fucks

[tall torrent]

Wasn’t running infernus tho

[hearty panther]

desperado

[tall torrent]

I need to make another laspistol with ghost + infernus

[pastel yew]

bruh... I just had an ogryn hop up a ledge into me

[tall torrent]

I rly want to run inf las 7 tho

[pastel yew]

forcing me to get completely stuck

and one shot by a crusher overhead

...

I didnt even kn

[hearty panther]

i mean i was starting to consider removing dumdum from mine, because at 18~+ DD stacks headshot and/or crits just destroy everything that isnt an ogryn/mauler in one tap

but havoc changed my mind rq

[tall torrent]

I think dum dum is not needed in a mode where laspistol is purely dependent on crits for reasonable damage

I will just cope with reciprocity

[hearty panther]

really its to burn down reapers as fast as i can

oh god

dont tell me ill need infernus

no fuck that i wont

[rustic kite]

Making a Cadian Infiltrator build Should I Go Inft. Lasgun, Laspistol or Boltpistol?

[tall torrent]

I may cook with inf las 7 but I’ll need to see the ammo situation as I go

Like, if we have no more than 1 flamer on the team, I can prob run inf las 7 without ammo problems

But if 2 flamers then I’m prob going laspistol

[hearty panther]

da boltpistol

[tall torrent]

Think about
blazing spirit value

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[hearty panther]

hold on, disablers/specials killed

which is which

what is what

[tall torrent]

Disabler is trapper/hound/mutant I think
Specialist is every other specialist

I was cooking those shotgunners so hard

[hearty panther]

that seems disproportionate, but i also dont want more bombers so ill just shut my mouth

scoreboards can be fun i guess

[rustic kite]

I was worried boltpistol wouldnt ruin the theme. It wont will it?

[hearty panther]

oh i dont know shit about lore LOL

there's a chainsword that's a Cadia mark
thats all i know

and that the place is dust

[terse idol]

Yeah

Cadia lore 😌

me as I struggle not to expunge random lore about 40k

[terse idol]

Cadian infiltratoooorr

I mean, Tempestus scion vibes, uhhh Imo laspistol
If you're larping an infiltator

[rustic kite]

Lol its okay i only really care about Cadia and Salamanders. Ik they used everything i said just dont know which is best for the theme

[rustic kite]

Thank you kindly which mk should i use for the best preformance? Ik one is faster with less damage but how is their single target dps

[terse idol]

Iirc, I think the faster firing one is recommended?
The heavy las pistol MIGHT have some hard to reach break points

But, I don't know for sure

[rustic kite]

My gun will mainly be to take down elites and specialist stacks

[terse idol]

@tall torrent
sooo, what should I be using on the mk5? if not armour bane?

Falter?

[quiet valley]

Falter 💀

[terse idol]

me looking through the history to see Ilag7 with Falter

Me trying Surgical hotshot

[quiet valley]

Also Hotshot applies to your melee at all times

[terse idol]

oh yeah

I forgor about that

[quiet valley]

free 50 cleave lol

[terse idol]

[left patrol]

Im sad vet didnt get any new weapons cuz now im out of stuff to explore

[swift river]

Should get stuff soon

[tall torrent]

Surgical + hotshot?

That part meant surgical + armourbane/hotshot

[left patrol]

U mean like 4 months?

[tall torrent]

Nah
Well, I haven’t checked falter’s stagger breakpoints for Helbore
But I also wouldn’t really consider falter for Helbore in the first place ngl

[left patrol]

Maybe 6

[tall torrent]

Yea April 2025 trust

[rustic kite]

Dump stat for laspistol?

[tall torrent]

Stability (barely changes recoil & spread)

[swift river]

Debating between infantry or recon Lasgun for Cadia Man

[tall torrent]

Kantrael lasgun is standard for Cadian soldiers

[terse idol]

Oh so armourbane is okay

for mk5

[quiet valley]

Mk II dump Stability, Mk X dump mobility

[terse idol]

Mannn

[tall torrent]

Idk how you read a different meaning out of it

[terse idol]

I swear I got clowned early for using armour bane

[tall torrent]

Armour bane is a bit weird because helbore’s ADMs are weird

They kind of don’t follow the in-game damage inspection table

Well, not in a traditional sense

Helbore does way less maniac damage than that table would suggest

[terse idol]

my braiin

[pastel yew]

cadia this... cadia that

I do hope some of the other legions get some love

vostroyans would be hillarious

[tall torrent]

Tanith first and only

Let’s go

[swift river]

Maybe…just maybe…we’ll get Long-Las rifles

[tall torrent]

Give me a tactical forest recon sniper cloak on veteran

[pastel yew]

maybe we'll get to see all the other classes get weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s all but confirmed to be coming

Just a matter of time

[pastel yew]

really?

idk

[terse idol]

there was a leaked icon from the start of the game

[pastel yew]

I think its a similar deal as the meltagun though

[terse idol]

something that looked like a longlas

[pastel yew]

in that

they were planned

[terse idol]

Something ele that looked like a melta

[pastel yew]

and perhaps dont quite fit with the gameplay

especially with how close things are

what are they gonna give it a canted sight or something

[tall torrent]

• was datamined at launch of game
• teased again in an official story released in June (marksman reject using longlas)
• 3/6 of those datamined weapons have been released (shock maul, relic blade, force greatsword)

[terse idol]

we're coooooking

[pastel yew]

2/6 releasing in the last patch

[wicked epoch]

would they ever give us a hotshot lasgun

[terse idol]

And then hotshot was a "I'll talk to someone"

[swift river]

I want my Long-Las

[pastel yew]

its just worth taking datamined content with a grain of salt

not everything gets cut due to time constraints

[tall torrent]

That’s why I say all but confirmed

[pastel yew]

like I'd love a melta gun but I'm not sure how you'd do it justice while also having it fit the game

[tall torrent]

Because it’s just an official confirmation away

[terse idol]

3 outta 6 is a good number doe

[wicked epoch]

how do you build the recon las into a hotshot again

i forgot

[pastel yew]

praying for no fucking space marine 2 melta shotgun

mhm

[terse idol]

shotgun laser gun

😌

[bleak turret]

So hey Vet buddies

[pastel yew]

I get why space marine did it

I'm not happy abou tit

[wicked epoch]

because space marine 1 did it first

[bleak turret]

This new Pox Resilience Havoc thing

[pastel yew]

but I get it ;-;

[bleak turret]

Does our 25% infested buff work against them?

[pastel yew]

yeah but why did space marine 1 do it?

[wicked epoch]

people who dont like sm2 should blame sm1

[wicked epoch]

ask relic

[pastel yew]

I mean

[tall torrent]

No

[wicked epoch]

probably because they didnt have a shotgun

[pastel yew]

need a shotgun weapon?

make one

[tall torrent]

Pus-hardened is not an armor damage modifier

[bleak turret]

Balls. Thank you.

[wicked epoch]

there was a lot of decent shotguns in lore

but i guess they wanted a melta

[tall torrent]

It only reduces ranged damage

[pastel yew]

arent space marine size shotguns like

really limited and niche

[tall torrent]

DOT and melee still work as normal

[pastel yew]

and not good at all against armor

[wicked epoch]

but they couldnt justify another anti armor weapon bec the plas was already in that niche

[wicked epoch]

well shotguns by nature arent unless slugs

[pastel yew]

though I suppose making them better into armor is less lore breaking than making the beam weapon a shotgun...

oh no error code 9999

[wicked epoch]

in SM you already have access to a plas, lascannon, plas pistol, a bolter with krakeb

[pastel yew]

lascannon darktide when

[wicked epoch]

real

[pastel yew]

thats one I've not seen requested a lot

but that'd make a hillarious ogryn weapon

just give it super low ammo

[wicked epoch]

what niche can it even fit

[tall torrent]

Tbh, not sure how they’d implement that one since we got heavy stubbers this patch

[wicked epoch]

how do you build a hotshot lasgun in this game again

i forgot

[tall torrent]

Heavy stubbers are pretty cool

Best one is Gorgonum imo

(It’s the only one that shoots remotely straight in continuous fire)

[wicked epoch]

vet guide how do i do this

[tall torrent]

What hotshot lasgun

Recon is not hotshot lasgun

[wicked epoch]

recon lasgun into a hotshot

[wicked epoch]

closest ill get

[tall torrent]

You can build a dedicated ranged recon build

[wicked epoch]

is it close to it

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t call this good

But if u have to play a dedicated ranged recon build this is basically it

Can take voice of command as well

[wicked epoch]

is the build interchangeable with an infantry las

[tall torrent]

No

[wicked epoch]

alright

[tall torrent]

Very different weapons

Even though both are las weapons

[wicked epoch]

what perks on the gun do i take

blessings etc

[tall torrent]

Recon?

[wicked epoch]

yes

i use the fast firing on

one

the old Mk VId

pre update

why tf did they name it the XII now

[tall torrent]

For VIc / XII
5% crit chance + maniac/flak
Dum dum
Infernus

For XIV
Maniac + flak
Dum dum
Deathspitter

[wicked epoch]

dumdum and infernus got it

and i can just use the 1 point for whatevr

[fiery raft]

i know cleave target is the dump but this would work out right?

since brutal momentum

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[fiery raft]

ight

[hollow ibex]

i would just try to take it with weapon specialist for better dodges

[tall torrent]

Usable yea

[fiery raft]

what would be a good volley fire weapon?

this is my tree

kill zone is what i grabbed for exe stance

i find the bolter has very little ammo count but that might just be a me issue

[cyan verge]

what in the god damn...?

[queen fox]

Swedish math

[hearty panther]

its the metric system

[cyan verge]

but get this the display is different based on whether I am looking at it in the inventory menu or if it's displayed on my character in the equip screen

what the fuck????

[frail skiff]

It's a rounding error

I have a perfect 80s weapon that has 62% mobility

No effect past 60

I thought they patched that

[cyan verge]

I am sure it's just a healthy little regression

[pastel yew]

the 61% thing is kinda funny but

man do I hate it

I wish we could just spend 1 mil ordo dockets to stat craft a weapon

[frail skiff]

Am I the only one that can buy like 10 weapons and at least one of them is god rolled for 80s and 60 mobility?

[pastel yew]

just rng

I think I have pretty good luck though as usually I get good weapons fast

I remember before the crafting overhaul people were spending like

700k+ on weapons

which is fucking wild to me

[frail skiff]

That was BS back in the day

[pastel yew]

I imagine their standards were just way too high

idk if it was bs though

like

its about the same resources to level weapons then craft a good one

as it was before to just roll

[cyan verge]

no it's because I think the system was probably just too aggressive a money sink

[pastel yew]

the only difference now is cosmetic

you have nice round stats rather than

but you didnt have to sink that much cash though?

people were rolling for like perfect weapons completely unneccesarily

[cyan verge]

oh, yeah true cuz you could just wait it out

[pastel yew]

the performance difference is minor at most

[frail skiff]

I found it more of a time sink that anything

[pastel yew]

like the amount you had to spend to get a really good weapon was not that much

but the amount you had to spend to get a perfect weapon was 10x that

[frail skiff]

I was lucky

[pastel yew]

and it was maybe a few % better if anything

the crafting system just sucked because of certain blessings

blessings that only existed at t4 or t2

[frail skiff]

The near perfect lasgun I had since beta had perfect stats after the crafting update

[pastel yew]

I lost all my early weapons as I deleted all my characters and started again

each class leveld to 30 again so I could play through with a friend new to the game who then

really didnt play much after that

sadge

[frail skiff]

RIP

[cyan verge]

which is the best helbore lasgun again

[frail skiff]

Either the MKII or the MKIII

It's up to preference

[cyan verge]

there is no mark II...

[tall torrent]

All 3 are ok

[frail skiff]

Sorry, used to the old name system

Middle one has better normal shots iirc

[wicked epoch]

did i just get a good roll from a mission

[cyan verge]

well

not really

[frail skiff]

Not bad, would of been better if ammo was at 80

[cyan verge]

you want 60% collateral

it could be worse

[wicked epoch]

why only 60

[frail skiff]

Recon las doesn't exactly have good stagger

So why 60?

[wicked epoch]

this is my current one atm

[frail skiff]

It's dangerious to go alone, take this.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1314202143829397564/image.png?ex=6753925f&is=675240df&hm=f57af79114b01aa6e78a4950c07bd8fd789e2c497a732668faac208eaf47de04&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=448&height=671

[wicked epoch]

damn i was 2 percent off

dum dum deathspitter or dum dum infernus?

[frail skiff]

Up to preference. I take infernus to stack fire. It's funny on the havoc missions with the range resistance modifier cause the fire still kills everything fast short of an ogryn

[pastel yew]

I think dum dum death spitter iirc is just better damage wise but

infernus is fun

so why not take it

[wicked epoch]

what kills faster

what kills the fastest

[frail skiff]

Prob Dum deathspitter

[cyan verge]

all these non-perfect guns at max investment are making me cry

[pastel yew]

dum dum headhunter

not deathspitter

[cyan verge]

I guess probably from melk so whatever

[pastel yew]

death spitter kinda meh

[frail skiff]

Oh right

[wicked epoch]

why headhunter

[pastel yew]

because crit chance is damage

and death spitter is shit

I thought it was the crit chance blessing

but its the strength on close range kill blessing

close range is now ... 12? m

so I guess its not as bad as it used to be

[frail skiff]

It will melt a charging mutie as it gets closer

[orchid hemlock]

no, headhunter is worse dps u take HH for more ammo and uptime

[wicked epoch]

this is confusing me

[orchid hemlock]

HH also depreciates in value the more crit rate you have

[pastel yew]

worse dps than infernus?

huh

what

how can that be true

[pastel yew]

close range is 12m

[orchid hemlock]

both infernus and deathspitter yes

[pastel yew]

deathspitter bad because it means you have to kill trash within 12m to stack

[wicked epoch]

aw

headhunter or infernus

[orchid hemlock]

doesn't matter there are millions of mobs the damage is much better

[orchid hemlock]

for which recon?

[wicked epoch]

the XII

[pastel yew]

why you shootin trash tho

[wicked epoch]

formerly the the VId

[orchid hemlock]

when u r shooting thru a horde u will kill some trash and proc deathspitter

[pastel yew]

thats the like

middle child right?

not the fastest not the hardest hitting

[pastel yew]

no/

least not in my experience

all the shit you wanna hit is taller than the horde

[orchid hemlock]

also HH is just really bad damage

[frail skiff]

I take the fastest firing one to stack brittle faster

[orchid hemlock]

again HH looses value the more crit rate you have

[wicked epoch]

nah its the fastest

it goes brrrrrrrt

[frail skiff]

I would say it literally melts everything

[pastel yew]

isnt 2d the fastest

or whatever its called now

mk2

[frail skiff]

MK XII is the fastest

[wicked epoch]

this ones the fastest

i use it

alot

[pastel yew]

that makes

no sense

literally no sense

[orchid hemlock]

yes it does

[pastel yew]

if you have 80% crit rate

head hunter makes your missed crit 1 in 4

if you have 0 crit rate

it makes your crit 1 in 20

[wicked epoch]

ayyy

crazy

[pastel yew]

it might proc less

but it makes up a larger % of missing crit

[wicked epoch]

i just changed marks and

[orchid hemlock]

the crit rate in HH stacks

[wicked epoch]

it did that

[pastel yew]

yes, but why would it be worse?

[frail skiff]

Visual glitch

[orchid hemlock]

so if you have 30% crit rate, you will only reach 2 stacks before it resets which is only 10%

[wicked epoch]

aw ma

[frail skiff]

It fixes itself on game restart

[orchid hemlock]

but if you had 10% you will stack 4 procs which is 20%

so yes you loose value in HH the higher crit rate you have

[pastel yew]

I am so confused as to what you're trying to say to me

that's not how probability works its chance based

[tall torrent]

With reciprocity + 5% crit chance talent + 5% crit chance perk, headhunter was tested to only give ~5% more crit rate in practice

[wicked epoch]

vet guide man

[pastel yew]

reciprocity fully stacked?

[wicked epoch]

HH and DD or DD and infernus

[tall torrent]

Just playing normally, then seeing the recorded values in powerDI

[orchid hemlock]

DD and DS or Infernus

[pastel yew]

wild

[quiet valley]

Headhunter only good on 3 burst vigilant rifle imo

[pastel yew]

that makes no sense to me if thats how the numbers pan out

[orchid hemlock]

so HH procs a stack when u hit a weakspot right?

[frail skiff]

I prefer Infernus since the fire ignores armor and can finish stuff off if you give it a small burst

[orchid hemlock]

the stacks give you critrate until they are consumed when you land a crit

[tall torrent]

It’s a weird one because crit string causes crit chance value to scale non-linearly

[quiet valley]

thats how you get infinite crit chain on vigilant 3 burst

[pastel yew]

gross though good we have tools that give this information as

I'd have not seen hh being bad

either way more crit rate

I dont get the argument for death spitter though

unless its literally just now the longer close range makes it not shit

[orchid hemlock]

5% crit rate versus 25% more strength is a no brainer to me 🤷🏻

[quiet valley]

its bad for some weapons to build around crit on multiple hits, when you can get crit breakpoints from surgical

[pastel yew]

25% strenght if you're killin chumps tho?

I dont buy the randomly killing missed targets as they're all shorter

[quiet valley]

shotgunner pack

[orchid hemlock]

Recon has great uptime, u should be killing multiple elites in bursts

[pastel yew]

how many times does deathspitter stack

gameslantern doesnt show that

5?

[orchid hemlock]

yes 5

wait im sorry it's 32.5% at max stacks

every stack is 6.5%

[pastel yew]

yee

I mean if its good its good

on paper it sounds shit though I'll trust from your experience it aint

I guess it doesnt matter if you have to shoot garbage near you if you have infinite ammo

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think recon has infinite ammo

it is ammo efficient sure, but you need to pay attention

[pastel yew]

I can go regular aurics using primarily the recon and not run out

and not pick up ammo pickups like

ever

if at all

I do take survivalist though which is

notably off meta

for the recon

[orchid hemlock]

that sounds like anecdotal experience because for me it depends on the maelstrom

[pastel yew]

I mean sure but... I aint running out

I might have posted a sc or something similar a while back

unsure

but with crit you dont lose ammo

• then generating ammo with survivalist

[orchid hemlock]

it could be because HH tech makes u more ammo efficient

[pastel yew]

maybe

I dont think I was running it though

I think I was running dumdum and infernus

[orchid hemlock]

survivalist I dont know would be good on recon either, because it isn't a weapon you take out to only use 1% of your ammo every 5 seconds

[pastel yew]

you dont have to be ammo neutral

just not

[fiery raft]

yo

[pastel yew]

ammo negative by the end of the game

its the same with most weapons honestly

people get REAALY cagey about being orange ammo or lower

but theres always an ammo box somewhere like

[fiery raft]

what would be a good exe stance build?

bolter right?

[pastel yew]

everything is a good exe stance build

bolter is fun though yeah for sure

[orchid hemlock]

I dont really care as long as I get a single ammo stash

[frail skiff]

Just an average Brauto gun enjoyer here

[fiery raft]

what are some other options?

[pastel yew]

pretty much any gun that doesnt already one shot really

the "vigilant" autoguns

whatever is the old vraks 7

is fun

bolt pistol if you dont wanna run deadly accurate n such

uhh idk anything really

even the recons

[fiery raft]

this is what ive got going on

[pastel yew]

recon lasguns with ES go hard

[fiery raft]

pretty standard

[pastel yew]

I dont think any of the nodes for ES are worth it though

honestly marking human sized enemies is actually a downgrade

there are enough elites n such to kill

that adding all the human halos just makes it confusing as to whats going on

maybe thats just me

[fiery raft]

i dont really mind whats going on

it helps with upkeep of exe stance is all

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean

have you tried without it though?

[fiery raft]

yeah

i didnt really like it

[pastel yew]

hmm

what difficulty are you playing?

as I think outside of auric my advice might be unsound given the lower enemy density

[fiery raft]

i tried it once on maelstrom heresy

[pastel yew]

I have like

next to no frame of reference what that will be like density wise

[fiery raft]

ive mainly been doing maelstroms

[pastel yew]

so maybe its good for now

but if/when you jump to the auric board you wont really need it

since theres just always shit to shoot

[fiery raft]

alrighty

[pastel yew]

someone posted a clip of ES shotgun earlier

that looked pretty sick

[fiery raft]

which shotgun?

just one of the combat ones?

[pastel yew]

if only taking ES and weapon specialist wasnt so rough

yeah just the combat ones

[frail skiff]

I use scopes, and having ranged units highlights helps me snipe at farther distances

[pastel yew]

it also makes you zoom more I think

[fiery raft]

i dont like those shotguns tbh

[pastel yew]

honestly its a lot of really nice buffs

[fiery raft]

just the double barrel is awesome lol

[pastel yew]

the normal shotguns are a mixed bag

they're fun and okay

they used to be amazing on the zealot

then they removed the ranged armor pen from fury of the faithful

which nuked the weapons back into the forgettable tier

old fury was so fun

they get rid of that but they dont nerf all the other stronger less fun shit

smh my head

even better, they get rid of that then ADD more stronger shit

;-;

[fiery raft]

i might get rid of target down and counterfire for demo stockpile

[thin stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

@orchid hemlock here

[fiery raft]

idk, i just use shout alot

[orchid hemlock]

hello

[fiery raft]

and yeah of course i would but exe stance is a nice switch up

[cyan verge]

yep still don't like the helbore, alas

the stab IS pretty sweet though

I was using the slash before and was like this is the biggest piece of shit attack in the game

[pastel yew]

dude I figured it out the hitbox is

so unreasonably fucked

if you wanna hit head

you have to look into the ceiling

nowhere near the enemy

[proud marsh]

what is the best combat shotgun for mixed usage?

[pastel yew]

uhhh I mean depends

if you wanna primarily use your ranged weapon then one of the combat shotguns

either the sluggy or the dragons breath

[edgy sluice]

hi guys, someone already posted good build for 30+ havoc?

[pastel yew]

if you wanna use weapon specialist then the double barrel

[pastel yew]

smoke grenades

and lasguns

apparently

[edgy sluice]

yep i feel it

[pastel yew]

you want to be as ammo efficient as possible

[edgy sluice]

trying to go full support

[pastel yew]

laspistol and helbore are supposedly the best

then yeah take smokes n shout

[edgy sluice]

and what about relics?

i have 2 stamina, 1 wound and 16 toughness

but i feel that toughness is not usefull anymore

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

[edgy sluice]

thanks

[orchid hemlock]

Dam I gotta take 3 Stam u curios

What world am I in rn to pass Havoc 40

😔

Which hellbore is best with falter?

[tame lodge]

None

[orchid hemlock]

[tame lodge]

You either have enough impact already or the weakspot shot will kill the target

[bleak turret]

Those Lascarbines/Regular Lasguns (not the XIII) tend to work really well for Havoc 25-30

[round jetty]

how does one obtain the new cosmetics

[analog mural]

Havoc

[round jetty]

that doesnt narrow it down at all

[elder fiber]

Havoc penances

[cyan verge]

I dunno maybe read the patch notes or look at your penances

[tawny timber]

with media literacy

[fair river]

Does this build have any crowd control

Also Im accepting havoc join requests but nobody’s showing up for some reason

Is that a bug

[quiet valley]

Shredders but honestly your crowd control is a teammate, you should not be killing horde when you can have a smite/trauma/purge

[fair river]

Fair

I can’t rely on teammates because I run pubs

[quiet valley]

shredders are there to destroy mixed horde/ rager rush

[fair river]

So rn im running tactical axe and bolt pistol

[quiet valley]

run pubs but set roles

[fair river]

? Like in chat

[round jetty]

im good off that

[trim steppe]

wow an emp gift that isnt just plasteel fodder

[rustic kite]

The laz pistol doesnt hit like the Inf Lasgun and boltor pistol

[rose halo]

Hey what do i need to do to get kills in the Sweep and Clear penance I can't find anyinfo I have the Fire Team auro but kills are not going up .

[quiet valley]

just have boss dps elite/special remover, horde stagger/cc, and have lots of overshield

[fair river]

Krak grenade, voice of command, tac axe, bolt pistol

[frail skiff]

I took Focus target and have 2 points to spare. Which of the two keystone mods should I take?

[quiet valley]

left and right

middle is bad unless you have the other 2

[frail skiff]

Noted, thank you

[round jetty]

kinda lame that doing a special assignment that has your same level doesnt increase it

[idle pecan]

i know its not exactly perfect, but is this fine?

[tawny mirage]

Anyone have a good auric Helbore build? I’ve been playing around with it on my own and experimenting. Liking it so far but I’m sure there are better builds than mine.

[strange patrol]

I've had a streak of games with high level veterans (1000-2000) that endlessly charge forward in melee only never looking back to clear gunners, specialists, and elites. What is this bizarre matchmaking RNG?

auric damnation ofc

[earnest bone]

Yeah, sometimes i'l get in a party like 2 minutes after i accept invite

and there's been cases of error 3013 post (mission) launch

11/10 design

[cobalt crest]

I feel like just a standard shredder weapon specialist build would be fine no?

[cyan verge]

earlier I tried to leave a party and it literally wouldn't let me leave

so that was cool

[round jetty]

yeah going to other havoc matches isnt rewarding, not sure what the point is if you get nothing back

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-mr-fresh-cat-cat-demiaowa-hello-street-cat-gif-14005121929265449159

[austere mica]

You do get something

Penance progress and clearance rank

[cyan verge]

yeah if you play enough of them you get the Cool Helmet

[round jetty]

so whats the point of special assignment

🤔

[cyan verge]

that's

[austere mica]

What

Karnaks

[round jetty]

havoc

special

[cyan verge]

yeah that is literally a completely different thing

what

[round jetty]

my fault

[cyan verge]

what do you mean havoc special

[round jetty]

1 sec

have to open darktide again 🥹

[cyan verge]

me too

I assume you are talking about clearing someone else's level 69 havoc doesn't make you level 69 havoc

[round jetty]

no no no

[cyan verge]

oh, do you mean then helping someone else clear a lower level havoc does nothing for you

[round jetty]

my friend and i did the same level

didnt do SHIT for me

[cyan verge]

well, yeah

[round jetty]

fym

[austere mica]

It ups your clearance

End of week you get the upgrade to that level

[cyan verge]

yeah

that's what this means

so I think I count as 20 basically and will get a 20 assignment in a couple days at reset

[round jetty]

oh that makes so much more sense

[cyan verge]

but for now

[round jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-dance-jiggle-cat-jiggle-car-gif-16775453227003313444

[cyan verge]

all I got is this level 12 thing

so I'm not doing it

lol

[quiet valley]

True Survivor Havoc 40 run

Las Pistol X my beloved

[stoic thorn]

Why do I always get the fucking tards

3 people got downed including me

The first one got revive

The second one was me

But the mentally disabled person of my teammate just

Pressed e on me

And then ran off for the third and I died

[cyan verge]

pepole are horribly bad at reviving sometimes

[round jetty]

baller

[cyan verge]

me personally if anyone is ever knocked down, I immediately look in their direction to see if they need help (dog/mutie/etc) and if they do I rush over, and if they are outright downed then I go over there straight away

[round jetty]

so thatll become my "Current assignment rank" at the end of the week?

"think

[cyan verge]

yeah

[round jetty]

i think

o

cool

[cyan verge]

unless you know they only have like a groaner or two on them (lil mistake) and they'll be okay like, really pick that guy up immediately, you never know when someone went down to a random crusher and that can be super bad since crushers like to melee you to death when you're downed and they do, on havoc, like 30% of your lifebar sometimes for some reason

[wraith locust]

What build did you run?

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

[round jetty]

21 now

🥹

[idle pecan]

what yall think the next vet weapon is gonna be

[earnest bone]

melta or plasma pistol

[teal canyon]

What's good about laspistol and how exactly you using thar build?

[quiet valley]

Priority targets, just deadshot, stack crit, infinite ammo, feed ammo to teammates to have 100% flamer/Bolter uptime, has very good Unyielding dmg, Drop Shredders to help with mixed horde push

Dont even really interact with trash horde, let teammates kill it faster with staff/flammer

[teal canyon]

Ah, yes, bottleneck

[frail skiff]

Hotshot Volley gun plz

Or a backpack fed heavy stubber like the one you see in the left picture of the skill tree

Or a long las

[pulsar crescent]

Question:After returning to this game and grinding that new armor, is there a point bringing infantry lasgun to Havoc and what build can be used for it? I just love how this lasgun looks with the drip

[frail skiff]

That is some sexy drip

[dreamy spade]

Is that all from penance? And gun from shop?

[frail skiff]

Gun is from shop. The armor is from completing havoc penances

[pulsar crescent]

Armor and backpack from penance, and gun from the shop, yes

[austere mica]

It’s the havoc penance gear

[pseudo fiber]

I think path cooked up something with the mk7 lasgun not sure if it still applies now Havoc is out

[teal canyon]

If you are deadshot and your team can deal with keeping your ass saved from hordes so you could snipe every shooter...
No

[pseudo fiber]

#veteran-class message

[austere mica]

Actual shooter control is important for havoc but I don’t know if inflas can do it

[austere mica]

Oh gods it’s cursed as fuck

[teal canyon]

I think even combat shotgun could perform better than lasgun just because of suppression

[austere mica]

Combat shotguns ammo sucks

[frail skiff]

Ghost could let you face tank shooters though proving you can aim

[austere mica]

And it has iffy special breakpoints to begin with

[teal canyon]

Yes

[austere mica]

I guess cod vet makes a return

Back in the spotlight with smokes

[teal canyon]

It can reliably oneshot gunners. But you are right

[austere mica]

Not specials but ok

[frail skiff]

Plus, loading a slug for EACH gunner is cumbersome

[pulsar crescent]

My main gripe with Havoc is that it has armor mutator that says fuck you to almost everything

[frail skiff]

Better off bringing a bolter at that point

[teal canyon]

Combat shotgun for some reason have ammo amount akin to bolter. Guess we firing very heavy shells

[pulsar crescent]

I would like to use infantry lasgun, but like, IDK if this weapon will be useful

[austere mica]

Same caliber btw

[frail skiff]

Isn't a bolter round like 70 caliber?

[austere mica]

You could load 12 gauge into a bolter

[teal canyon]

Lol. It can oneshot gunners with regulars on 5

[austere mica]

.75 for our model

[frail skiff]

Ah

[frail skiff]

Goes to show you how much I use the combat shotguns

[austere mica]

But you could absolutely fire 12 gauge from a bolter

[teal canyon]

Its just getting worse with spread and distance and shotgun was mostly killed by reload speed

[austere mica]

It would probably just have issues with cartridge shape because bolt shells are weird

[frail skiff]

You're kinda of shoehorned into taking one of the reload talents

[teal canyon]

It reliad fast, yes, but only one shot

Its a plus for exestance uptime and clutchy, but overall is worse

Damage wise its also poor for its ammo count

[frail skiff]

Yeah, it should honestly have more ammo

[teal canyon]

And there is no good blessing outside fullbore

Anyway. It still smoother to use compared to the inflas imo.

[pulsar crescent]

Well, what I got from this convo:Right now, inflas isn't that good to bring to Havoc 30+ and it's better to use more specialised weapons like Bolter and etc. ?

[analog mural]

in the grimdarkness of 40k shotgun magazines are heretical tech

[austere mica]

Ask Path when they are around

They do actual build science and play in those diffs

[pulsar crescent]

Got it, thx

[quiet valley]

Helbore/Laspistol probably strongest vet picks for havoc 40 atm

[austere mica]

One of the insane people who cursed themself to test ranged weapon stagger breakpoints

[frail skiff]

The madman

[pulsar crescent]

Just, I still would love to use inflasgun simply because I love the drip + I prefer more "classic" vet that use his trusty lasgun

[frail skiff]

MK7 would probably be the sweet spot between power and speed to mow down gunners

MK IX will hit like a truck, but it will be time comsuming to mow down ranged

2b would be ammo efficent, but the low damage would mean having to spend extra time tapping the same thing

[steady wolf]

erm plasma gun is BiS for havoc 30+

Tanner said so ☝️🤓

[frail skiff]

BiS?

[austere mica]

Best in slot

[frail skiff]

Ah

[steady wolf]

i guess meta would fit more for a gun if you take the acronym on "meta" literally

[pulsar crescent]

After trying plasma at lvl 30, I was just sad

Because of that armor mutator, lol

[austere mica]

Plasma needs to push for breakpoints in auric

Yes

Laugh and push are the same word

Thanks autowrong

[steady wolf]

wtf plasma can laugh now?!

[frail skiff]

PMAO

[steady wolf]

tired of these shadow changes by obesefish

[pseudo fiber]

You can 1 tap a flamer at havoc 40 with plasma

Which is useful

[steady wolf]

also crazy range tbh

for 1 tapping

anyone know the best way to block 900 damage in 10 seconds? would it be uh taxe against a daemonhost?

[austere mica]

Shield plant

Piss a lot of stuff off or like

[earnest bone]

infantry lasgun is Infernus/ghost if you want to bring it to havoc, IIb or VII, can replace infernus but it ignores armor modifier and sometimes helps

[steady wolf]

ugghhh i dont even have an oggy made tho

[austere mica]

3 maulers

[steady wolf]

what level does shield unlock anyway, 8?

[austere mica]

Idk

[steady wolf]

😭

[frail skiff]

Infernus? Do tell.

[austere mica]

Make an ogryn anyway

[steady wolf]

b-b-but worst class AND just got nerfed

[austere mica]

Missing out on the picks

[earnest bone]

I like the pussarmor ignore aspects

[frail skiff]

Ah, yes. I do the same thing with my recon las

It's nice

[teal canyon]

Devilclaw special crusher overhead

[steady wolf]

Really?

[austere mica]

Both work

Just absorb an overhead or two

Be mindful the overhead parry window is tight and other trash can eat your parry and kill you

[pulsar crescent]

What talent tree would look like with that setup?

[frail skiff]

Would the shock maul be any good for Havoc?

[austere mica]

Probably not

No cleave

[earnest bone]

no

[austere mica]

No power

[earnest bone]

too much hitmass

[austere mica]

Skullcrusher reliant

It can’t cleave a bruiser in hi tier

[frail skiff]

What would be the go to vet melee?

For havoc

[earnest bone]

any, as long as you get Shocktrooper (left side), crit chance and Reciprocity (right side)

[frail skiff]

Cause I usually default to the Rashad when in doubt

[austere mica]

Rashad dies

[earnest bone]

can even go for deadshot on slowest ilas (dont use infernus on mk9)

[austere mica]

Shot 17 times

[frail skiff]

Okay, then which melee for havoc?

[austere mica]

Idk

I play zealot for it

[earnest bone]

DSword 4 or Rashad seems ok

[steady wolf]

"Idk" >the DS4

[austere mica]

I choose to disregard that thing

[steady wolf]

can't imagine anyone using anything but the DS4 in h40

maybe when it can't stab a crusher to death in .3 seconds

[earnest bone]

knife is ok

but why knife when you have DS4

[teal canyon]

Knife to run the fuck out from stuff

[earnest bone]

kite*

[frail skiff]

You will only die tired

[earnest bone]

psword should still work

[frail skiff]

Which mk?

[earnest bone]

but one mistake will get your ass beaten

6

[frail skiff]

I hate that "feature" they added where you lose charge if something sneezes on you

[pulsar crescent]

I wish they would just changed "charges" for heat on vet sword

[earnest bone]

yeah, i understand why it's happening now
basically, the melee stun from enemy resets your normal or heavy attack string

and this remove the power charge from the sword

[pulsar crescent]

Crit chance is for melee perk?

[earnest bone]

flak maniac with bromentum and power cycler

can probably snuck carapace instead of maniac

but ragers are dangerous

better to dispose of them fast

crushers are w/e

[pulsar crescent]

I meant for perk tree ;d

[earnest bone]

ah, no

for psword 5% node wont matter

you can get Finesse though (10 + 25)

after recip

[swift river]

Huh, do we know exactly how Havoc rewards work? I got a message saying something was added to my wargear, but I don't see anything...

[pulsar crescent]

Well, right now I will go with DS4 simply because I left when this thing wasn't on Vet and I want to test it

And I want to test my build right now, so need to be certain what crit perk is. It's going after Reciprocity?

[frail skiff]

So what would be an optimal loadout for havoc vet?

[earnest bone]

yes its 10% crit chance and 25% finesse damage

on DS its a must have

[pulsar crescent]

Rewards(it you talk about those that given to you after reaching new level) is going to be given after this week passes

Simply, it's "weekly" reward

[pseudo fiber]

Power sword is good in havoc

Plasma is ammo hungry but if you have purg psyker that's fine

[swift river]

I still prefer knife

Nice and fast, punches through armor

Stabby stab

[frail skiff]

Would vraks InfAutogun MK V + PS be a good combo?

For havoc

[earnest bone]

Vraks is ammo hungry, you could get in trouble with ammo, but i guess you can try till +30

your main ammo source will be survivalist

as ammo packs are nerfed

[frail skiff]

I take it that VoC is mandatory at this point?

[earnest bone]

kinda, though if you already have 1 VoC vet and 1 Relic Zealot, another vet can be stealth one for objectives or res

[pseudo fiber]

P much

[frail skiff]

Ah, I see

[brave pond]

I’ve been doing well with Execution stance and Recon Las with marksman

[pseudo fiber]

Gold toughness will save your fucking ass

[frail skiff]

And with the amount of specials thrown at you

You can keep it going forever

[pseudo fiber]

Demo team also saw lots of value for me

But with a beacon of Purity zealot field improvisation didn't help a ton

[swift river]

I do occasionally wish we could have a third weapon, a side arm. Let me carry a rifle and pistol

[frail skiff]

Mmm

InfAuto gun with las pistol support so you can conserve ammo

[pseudo fiber]

This did surprise me a little actually. Though beacon is pretty much mandatory.

[frail skiff]

Wish that could of been a vet gimmick

[frail skiff]

Especially when you have the corruption puddle running

[swift river]

If I were true Cadia Man, I'd have my Lasgun, Knife, and Las Pistol

[teal canyon]

Imo laspistol is better than inflas

[frail skiff]

Def has the better sights

[teal canyon]

I have many grudges against inflas and not so many with laspist

[swift river]

Reverse the las, buff the rifles!

[teal canyon]

I have none with infautogun tho

[frail skiff]

I take it that Brauto gun is a hard no?

[brave pond]

I’m general most rifles need a buff, we need something to complete with the Autgun and Recon Lasgun

[teal canyon]

They ok, not for the vet role tho

[frail skiff]

Zealots?

[teal canyon]

For zealot its fast way to spook every shooter in tristate area

[earnest bone]

they loose the best part of braced guns

aka cleave

its nonexistant for them in havoc

[frail skiff]

Oof

That a real damn shame

Agripinaa loses all cleave?

[frank ledge]

Yes

Think it starts becoming a problem after 29

would need to test better

But at 31 Melee cleave starts requiring vt2 pushing in combo

[frail skiff]

Anyone have an optimal build for Havoc then to push into the higher levels?

[swift river]

I've been doing good with my usual build, swapped out a few talents and using Recon Lasgun

[frail skiff]

Can I see it?

[frail skiff]

Which Recon MK?

[swift river]

Uuh...

I can't recall off the top of my head, the green one 😄

[frail skiff]

Do you remember the RoF?

[swift river]

VIc

RoF?

[frail skiff]

Rate of fire

[swift river]

Oh! Honestly I can't tell the difference between them, but I checked and it's the MkVIc

[frail skiff]

Melee?

[swift river]

Knife

[frail skiff]

Which blessings on the recon?

[pseudo fiber]

Could save a point and path smokes too

If you need them at higher level

[swift river]

The knife is almost exclusively for taking out heavy armor. Maulers, Reapers... All it takes is a good 2-3 hits to the head.

[frail skiff]

I might try that with smokes and see how that works

[swift river]

Or... Not Reapers, Crushers

Crushers and Maulers

[pseudo fiber]

Redirect fire versus target down for high level havocs
Does redirect fire help with any breakpoints?

[sturdy ledge]

Which is the better dump stat on the hellbore lasgun, stability or charge rate?

[quiet valley]

Stability

[sturdy ledge]

Cool ty

[teal canyon]

Things that are less than 5% probably dont do crap unless its flamethrower

You have yourself many big % damage buffs that modyfy base damage only. So 5% on lasgun would be 10 damage on unarmored and thats it.

[frail skiff]

Would kraks be useful for havoc?

Or is it frag/smoke?

[teal canyon]

They generally worse than shredder

[swift river]

Kraks are useful, but only in a small radius

Shredders can take out hordes nice and quick

[sturdy ledge]

Whats the best dump stat for plasma gun?

[teal canyon]

On high lvl havoc have 6-8k hp crushers.

[dry cloak]

none

[analog mural]

ammo or thermal res

[sturdy ledge]

I had charge rate as my 60%.

[frail skiff]

Charge rate affects normal shot

[sturdy ledge]

What does that even mean

[swift river]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-stick-around-ouch-it-hurts-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-17364427

[analog mural]

having low charge rate essentially gives lower attack speed/increases the delay from mouse click to shot firing

[dry cloak]

every stat is important on plasma]

[sturdy ledge]

You cant have them all 80%

[swift river]

Yea, but you can get by with two being 70%, if you're that lucky

Or all being some level of 70%

[sturdy ledge]

I see

[thin stone]

What curios do you run in Havoc

[teal canyon]

Generally:
Stamina reg
Special ability reg
Toughness

Toughness x2 + stamina

[pseudo fiber]

I run 2 toughness 1 stam
3x gunner resist
2x Toughness
Stam regen
Sprint cost reduction
Revive speed
And something idk

[teal canyon]

+47% toughness is too good not to take
Stamina is the resource you always need and special ability is clutchy

[thin stone]

I see

Havoc feels weird idk why

[teal canyon]

Stat changes

[thin stone]

Isn't the whole point of a game like Darktide to be able to kill your enemies

[teal canyon]

They sneak stat changes for enemies

[thin stone]

And if you can't kill them, and have to run around avoiding them, what's the point

[teal canyon]

You need good positioning

You need block

[thin stone]

Hmm

[teal canyon]

You need pushes

That all is stamina

[thin stone]

I guess I'll take a break from Darktide again and come back in a few months

[teal canyon]

Corridors and doorways are generally easier to defend

So being able to get to the safe spot and make yourself cozy angle to obliterate is good.
Being able to run away from area denials is key, and not get surrounded is very important

So yeah. Running fast is good

[tired badge]

Does ammo regen count in that 90% accuracy penance?

[teal canyon]

Yes

[tired badge]

Damn, thx

[teal canyon]

Get yourself double barrel shotgun and focus melee

You cant miss. Ammo is low. Horde clear is good

[tired badge]

Dont the pellets fuck me over tho?

[teal canyon]

No

As long as you hit at least 1 pellet its a hit

[midnight totem]

I'm starting to develop two vet builds for havoc

[tired badge]

All right thx

[midnight totem]

one is a variation on my usual stealth build, but with smoke grenades instead of kraks

the other is a helbore build

[teal canyon]

Was done with that penance without even trying with that

[sturdy ledge]

Anyone have any good loadouts that use the revolver?

[iron juniper]

guys does anyone know, when numric Ui will be fixed?

[pseudo fiber]

It's fixed now

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da8deda-15f5-45fd-bdd6-27582c03f80c/voc

[umbral scaffold]

Okay i am trying out the Veteran dueling sword and it can't clear hordes for shit. Any suggestions?

[pseudo fiber]

Not really its got bad horde clead

[umbral scaffold]

Cause the plasma gun fucks, using a gun for hode clear is unnecessary

I guess i just need to relly more on my mates to do the horde clearing?

[pseudo fiber]

If you must yes

Plasma would cover elites though so you could try a different melee

[swift river]

Chainsword or combat axe, maybe

[pseudo fiber]

Or heavy sword

[teal canyon]

Dueling sword is ok at hoardclear

[swift river]

You just gotta dodge a lot

[teal canyon]

If you have autoclicker

Dodge bonuses, yes

[umbral scaffold]

I think i am positioning myself wrong

Because i tried playing a bit smarter and got far better rewards

One thing that keeps messing with me, are bosses when they focus on me, cause i got no way to run away from them

That happens because i am too close to begin with

[swift river]

Why are you running away? Stab them with your sword

A good Dueling Sword should be able to take out heavies fairly easily

Like Knife

[thin stone]

Can someone give me a shroud veteran build with smoke grenades for Havoc?

also please tell what weapons to use

[tame lodge]

Rampage
At best you kill a groaner per swing
If critspot then a walker per swing

Or bring frags

[swift river]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-grenades-peter-familyguy-family-gif-9926709

[thin stone]

anyone?