veteran-class

[pastel yew]

are there block talents outside of ogryn/

or that one on psyker

[tall torrent]

Relic blade
Shock maul

[umbral scaffold]

My fun in these games come from the chaos and non stop action. The lower diffs so far seem like mindless shooting galleries

[pastel yew]

mmh

[young bison]

The psyker one improves the block, not necessarily improves your combat for it.

[pastel yew]

I've not had a chance to try the relic blade yet as I spent all my money on chainaxes 2 days before patch dropped like an idiot

[young bison]

You could feasibly tank Daemonhosts with the psyker talent.

[flat bluff]

The best class

[pastel yew]

nah

they got the best ranged weapon tho

I assume we mean most fun

by best here

as if you mean strongest then vet steals it agian

[left patrol]

Just did a havoc 20

[pastel yew]

a lot of the psyker class is just ... eh... its a different kind of player skill I dont find engaging

[left patrol]

Scary bros...

[pastel yew]

man I need to play some havoc... swallow my annoyance and use the stupid party finder

[left patrol]

Its not great but its much better than i thought itd be

[pastel yew]

I'm just getting a lot of rejected invites

or it shows me games that are useless to me

why would I want to play a havoc level LOWER than what I'm at

[left patrol]

Have u tried being more likeable

[pastel yew]

no ;-;

[left patrol]

Assists to get cool helmet

[pastel yew]

oh is that how you get the cosmetics?

interesting

[left patrol]

Ye

[pastel yew]

the havoc cosmetics are pretty clean to be fair

[left patrol]

50 assist for helmet
50 missions for chest (assists count towards it)
Reach level 25 for leggies

[pastel yew]

O.O

WHAT

BRO I SAW AN OGRYN WITH THE CHEST IN A LOBBY YESTERDAY I THINK

I dont get how people play that much of this game

I love it

but its too much

[left patrol]

NO LIFER DETECTED

[pastel yew]

to have your brain constantly firing for hours a day

at most two auric maelstroms and im eepy

[left patrol]

Yeah i need breaks after like 3 games max

[terse idol]

Unemployment or alotta time

[faint beacon]

Havoc truly is peak 🚬

[pastel yew]

hoping they dont use havoc as an excuse to not maintain proper weapon balance

[faint beacon]

This just dropped for Zombies so now im getting dragged into a Different game lmao

[pastel yew]

oh yo

time to go play as well

[faint river]

best ranged and melee weapons for vet?

[cyan verge]

I don't really like havoc since I can see that like, I think you could do up to 25-30 with randoms, but 30-40 is probably going to be like exclusive to discord voice and a very very small selection of builds, what would be actually impressive is if they managed to scale up the challenge while also maintaining some level of variety between classes, but I expect like many 40 clears are going to be something like vet/psyker/zealot/zealot with two choruses, bubble and VoC

[left patrol]

Whatever you like using tje most

[faint river]

i havent used everything yet tho

[cyan verge]

duelling sword/power sword and plasma gun/bolter/zarona revolver

[hollow ibex]

If you're not level 30 just try whatever the game gives you

And have fun

[cyan verge]

just use the most optimal weapons, do not ever use anything that isn't optimal

[faint river]

i am lvl 30, but im trying to get the most out of my vet

[cyan verge]

you want to be a pro gamer right?

a pro gamer would never take anything suboptimal

[pastel yew]

telepots clearing havoc 40 solo next week I swear

tbf I do think that using optimal stuff first as a new player is a good idea

it gives you time to build skill then branch out into other stuff

especially because a lot of S tier weapons are complete snooze fests

[pastel yew]

big concern if the S tier broken stuff is what is required as

that means nothing is getting balanced

and likely everything else will get buffed slowly over time

at least that way there would be more usable content but then that would make it so anyone looking for a challenge HAS to play havoc

[cyan verge]

there's at least one full video of a full run out there now

and I watched

and yeah it looked pretty boring

[pastel yew]

not seen it yet

I mean its going to be the same as what we have now but against more health and some conditions

[cyan verge]

just playing max defense, only fighting at chokepoints, and backtracking TO chokepoints, pulling enemies from afar to chokepoints, just a lot of playing around those

[pastel yew]

we already had peak capacity of enemies

[cyan verge]

oh no it's way different

[pastel yew]

real?

[cyan verge]

because yeah you basically cannot make mistakes

[charred dome]

So, 1 tough, 1 stam, 1 hp, or 2 tough 1 stam for curios?

[cyan verge]

and you have to play around your invulns, your bubble, and gunners in particular

[pastel yew]

first is most optimal according to some

[cyan verge]

nothing seems to be even remotely a threat at havoc 40, except gunners

[pastel yew]

generally I think more toughness is more gooder tho

[hollow ibex]

2 hp 1 toughness

[pastel yew]

if you can dodge snipers consistently take toughness, if you cant take hp

theres little reason to run hp outside of that

[hollow ibex]

Nah

[charred dome]

so 2 tough 1 stam got it

[pastel yew]

this is bait

[cyan verge]

1 toughness 1 stam 1 HP is good too, but I think you need to take some HP on tree and some in perks

[hollow ibex]

Bursters too

[pastel yew]

okay if you're

optimizing for this level

and getting hit by bursters

[charred dome]

I mean it's not a you thing

[pastel yew]

there are larger problems than what curios to take

[charred dome]

it's randoms fucking shooting them

[cyan verge]

according to 'the guide' you want 200hp on vet

which means you need like +34% HP

which means you need at least 1 HP curio

[charred dome]

I'll do one of each then

[pastel yew]

or you can just dodge snipers, and not get flopped

team shoot them so rarely idk

I feel like the flamers getting shot is way more frequently

[cyan verge]

it's a 'just in case' measure basically

[terse idol]

imo 2 toughness, 1hp

[pastel yew]

mmh

[hollow ibex]

2 is recommended

[terse idol]

Gunner res

[charred dome]

This is one of those things where yeah if you pretend to be a sweat you can say you'll never get hit by a sniper

[terse idol]

1x sniper res

[pastel yew]

I just think there are way more bad cases for toughness to boost you like

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[pastel yew]

its always good

[hollow ibex]

This is why

[charred dome]

But I've been hit by snipers having to dodge 80 other things, shit happens lol

[terse idol]

I personally wouldn't want to play without any hp curio

Considering chip damage will hurt even more

[hollow ibex]

Building into all toughness is a noob trap

[pastel yew]

this is very unconvincing I will not lie

[slow spade]

but toughness also reduces chip damage lol

[vernal sundial]

i dont think ive ever used a health curio in my life

[charred dome]

I was thinking 2 toughness to maximize iron will usage but I'll just do 1 hp 1 tough 1 stam then

[pastel yew]

I take them on zealot for the funny

[terse idol]

63 to 123 is pretty significant

[slow spade]

hp is a noob trap lol

[pastel yew]

for the uhh... revenant? giga heal

[terse idol]

Buuuuuttt

[pastel yew]

not optimal but fun

[slow spade]

all these toughness buffs so you stack hp?

really?

[hollow ibex]

Ask the author

[pastel yew]

if you get hit by three poxbursters

perish

you deserve death

[terse idol]

Having no hp curio does mean getting hit by a sniper or pox burster is gonna hurt more

[pastel yew]

dont fight it

[terse idol]

2x toughness 1x hp

[left patrol]

Im not a noob oim just bad deal with it

[pastel yew]

it means you'll get one shot if you've gone down already

[terse idol]

You'll still have that

[charred dome]

Bradley forgets randoms can and will shoot bursters in your face or bait snipers into shooting other people by accident

[terse idol]

Backing imo

[pastel yew]

nah I mean I've seen it

[cyan verge]

sometimes you get hit by bursters because the game's sound engine is breaking and not actually playing sound cues you need to hear in order to hear specials

[terse idol]

I mean if you want to get insane do 1x toughness 2x hp

[pastel yew]

its just not that common

[hollow ibex]

Hell even bots will fuck you

[pastel yew]

certainly not as common as the benefits of +toughness

[slow spade]

still surprised experienced players still stack hp as Vet lol

[cyan verge]

that's why sometimes you get hit by a dog or a trapper that never made a sound until you were on the ground

[terse idol]

I just get 1hp

[charred dome]

noclip trappers

[hollow ibex]

I'm surprised by those that don't

[charred dome]

[terse idol]

[pastel yew]

I mean it's a minor amount of difference it's not going to make a lot of change either direction

[vernal sundial]

i always run x2 toughness x1 stam

[pastel yew]

if you're not dying with what you've got

its good enough

[slow spade]

same

[vernal sundial]

sometimes more stam depending

[terse idol]

I dunno 60 more hp from 63 to 123

Pretty goooood

In the grand scheme

In theory it makes healing from a stim better

[pastel yew]

honestly I've really come around to the stam curio ... I didnt use it for a long time but that little extra stamina is just nice

[terse idol]

Cause you get more hp

[pastel yew]

I dont think its gonna save my life but its good

[slow spade]

ah yes the burster and sniper threat is 100% more scary than gunners and shooters lol

[terse idol]

It's both

Just running 1x hp curio is enough

[slow spade]

weapon dependent imo

[pastel yew]

for sure

some weapons have no stamina

for no reason

[hollow ibex]

Y'all gonna end up like the left hand guy when a teammate sets off a burster on y

[vernal sundial]

if your toughness breaks a lot of the times you're just fucking dead
so don't have it break and you won 't need hp

[pastel yew]

then I'll continue to live because it takes more than one major mistake to die

[terse idol]

I mean

[charred dome]

the what

[pastel yew]

I'v'e had it happen to me before

[hollow ibex]

Or a burster or sniper lmao. Forget about those?

[pastel yew]

its not the end of the world

[terse idol]

You can't gurantee your toughness will never break

[pastel yew]

itsjust a little annoying

[terse idol]

And there are things thst smash your toughness

[pastel yew]

honestly the only time its actually bad

is when it knocks you off of the map

and no curio is saving you from that

[hollow ibex]

Unless you already took damage lol

[terse idol]

God forbid, fire

Hurts more when you don't have more hp

[sleek garden]

stuff is unavoidable so I bring 1 wound curio for the unfortunate circumstances

[charred dome]

more tough helps with the gunner/shooter spam, HP helps with the inevitable sniper/burster getting you regardless of it being your fault or not if you ask me

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/hakos-baelz-bae-bae-smug-baelz-smug-hakos-smug-gif-13850222705806008266

[terse idol]

That's at least one big case I'll point to

[vernal sundial]

im sorry if bursters are a problem for you
and snipers are easy to deal with threats on my builds

[charred dome]

HALF MY FUCKING DEATHS ARE THIS

[pastel yew]

yall taking damage?

[terse idol]

For having 1x curio

[sleek garden]

trapped into fire sneaky crusher overhead

[terse idol]

Hp

[charred dome]

randoms shooting bursters as you're mid push

[pastel yew]

I'm kidding of course... I take damage... but it's not a big deal like

bursters are not a threat

if you're so worried about them just shoot them

[vernal sundial]

i dont often have a problem with randoms shooting bursters tbh
in auric damnation anyway

[hollow ibex]

Ok. Don't cry if a bot or teammate sets off a burster on you next time

[pastel yew]

also yeah I've had a few deaths to ledges recently because of team

[hollow ibex]

It's just a matter of time

[charred dome]

the extra barrels modifier is fucking DEVIOUS

[pastel yew]

need to stop playin near em

[atomic yacht]

hey guys how does this interact with the two barrel shotgun

[pastel yew]

I'm not

?

[sleek garden]

Is there a way to build veteran where all you do is grab nodes not talents

[cyan verge]

I mean, everything in the game can be ignored by 'just being good' the point of curios is so they can cover your mistakes, i.e. sniper resist, gunner resist (being out of cover) etc etc

[pastel yew]

I've had it happen before its just annoying

its not that deep

[charred dome]

shoot all barrels on sight

[cyan verge]

is that even useful, who cares about +10% crit chance

[sleek garden]

I shoot barrels when there are 30 enemies next to it

[atomic yacht]

does that just mean the first shot? thats 50% of the ammo not 20%, and what if you do both barrels at once?

[hollow ibex]

Was that message directed towards you? No.

[sleek garden]

My lame ass teammate can handle the 20 damage

[cyan verge]

sounds like a wasted point imo

[vernal sundial]

in my hundreds of hours i think a teammate has shot a burster next to me maybe twice, both times were before i played in auric

[pastel yew]

its different in my case how?

[slow spade]

first shot is buffed

[pastel yew]

they're sayin the same shit I am

[slow spade]

2nd shot gets nothing

[terse idol]

Like this is why at baseline having 1x sniper curio helps, iirc there are enemy breakpoints against the player too
Its a safety net so you don't get obliterated if you DO get hit

[atomic yacht]

what if you double barrel it, does that count as one shot?

[pastel yew]

I doubt they're all that bothered by it either

[cyan verge]

if you want double barrel you should probably take weapon specialist so you can get 100% crit chance by killing like 3 enemies in melee

[hollow ibex]

If it's not an issue then no need to get defensive about it

[pastel yew]

yeah

[atomic yacht]

good advice

[hollow ibex]

I wasn't even taking to you lmao

[slow spade]

it should yes

[terse idol]

That's crazy

Your matchmaking is pretty good

[pastel yew]

it wasnt defensive I think you've misread my intent

[atomic yacht]

seems not half bad then if you get a flat 10% on all both barrels

[terse idol]

I've had games where 1 person shot a burster at least 5 times a match

[pastel yew]

it's not an "I'm not?!" its a " but I'm not bothered by that"

[charred dome]

I quit playing aurics with randoms entirely lol

[terse idol]

What if you're playing with premade

That doesn't count

[charred dome]

I know lmao

[pastel yew]

aurics with randoms is funny

I like supporting them

[charred dome]

I mean we'll troll each other with barrels but goddamn

[vernal sundial]

i only play auric with randoms

no friends
ez

[pastel yew]

most of my irl friends dont like the game very much

or only play very occasionally

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da75d65-6986-472d-9e69-bfc2c1c87ac0/recon-gunner-2

[terse idol]

I played an auric random with my friend (I sucked ass cause I was trying a new loadout) but a zealot carried us

Lmao

Sapper shovel with helbor

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah so I normally run boltgunner shout but I’m tired of being out of ammo when I need to have it

[terse idol]

Kinda hard

When you don't play it often

I also might go back to the normal shovel

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean seems fine

[terse idol]

Cause I need horde control

[tawdry jackal]

Feels like it has more uptime. I’m not the best with headshots but this lets me eat chaff and not feel guilty

[terse idol]

That the sapper shovel dooooesnt have

[pastel yew]

I like survivalist on recon builds but thats because I'm a fuckin ammo goblin

who wants to use 0 pickups

[tawdry jackal]

Haven’t been able to make the chainaxe work for horde clear so went back to the powersword

[charred dome]

Listen, if i see a bolter or plasma vet I switch off gunlugger to let you guys eat all the ammo

[pastel yew]

its not necessary

[pastel yew]

you need weapon specialist

[terse idol]

Smmhhh

[tawdry jackal]

I wanna have krak grenades in a pinch

[pastel yew]

its a dead weapon on vet outside of that

[tawdry jackal]

Ok then I’m going to make a build for that as well

[vernal sundial]

weapon specialist psword my beloved

[atomic yacht]

soooo.... how does THAT interact with the twin barrel

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I take kraks also, cant member the layout I went hough I think I just avoided some stuff in the right tree

[pastel yew]

it rounds up

[teal canyon]

very well

[atomic yacht]

exciting as fuck

[cyan verge]

it does what you think it does

[pastel yew]

you'll always get exactly 1 shell

and thats it

[atomic yacht]

thats very fun

[charred dome]

gunlugger has literally no way to sustain ammo so I already know it's gonna be rough for everyone lmao

[terse idol]

Kill 1 enemy with melee

[vernal sundial]

i take shredders on 100% of my builds

[terse idol]

Swap back

Get 1 bullet back

Without fail

[atomic yacht]

very exciting ty

[pastel yew]

yeah chainaxe + double barrel is like

currently my favourite build

its super fun

weapon specialist is giga

[teal canyon]

just was done with auric maelstorm with doublebarrel-weponscpec

[atomic yacht]

ive had tons of fun with the twin barrel so this is big hype

[pastel yew]

my only complaint is that it doesnt sound meatier

maybe I'll make a mod that changes the sound effect

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4ae78a-9c1b-48be-93d0-1ac4e0d536d5/plasmachain-axe-nuke

[pastel yew]

something more BLAMMM

[teal canyon]

prefer knife for insta charged fastrun hit in the face

[umbral scaffold]

What's the diff between the dueling sword and the power sword btw.?

[atomic yacht]

so how about deadshot? that seems like its useful when at most you can lose .5 of a stamina

[pastel yew]

mhm knife is definitely a better weapon

[atomic yacht]

idk if sway reductions gonna do shit for it tho lol

[tawdry jackal]

I really like the chainaxe so here we go. Need to get a new plasma gun hence the stats on it today

[pastel yew]

though I think that is probably the best set up if you wanna use the axe

[atomic yacht]

but 25% crit?

[vernal sundial]

im surprised i havent seen a single person rocking the ds4 in my first few days back so far
and for that i am happy

[cyan verge]

you don't need crit if you are critting all the time with weapon specialist

[atomic yacht]

good point

[tawdry jackal]

Can I swap out the 5% toughness trio perks for stamina uhh

Regen?

[pastel yew]

you can also choose when to use it, as the hipfire is so accurate

[tawdry jackal]

Or whatever the fuck, sprint efficiency

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword big poke bad clear
Power sword good poke good clear

[pastel yew]

if you dont need the toughness to live

sure

[tame lodge]

Wrong reply moment

[pastel yew]

honestly all the curio things are gonna be personal preference

[tawdry jackal]

I mean I prefer max toughness but like I remember loving the sprint efficiency on an ogryn

[pastel yew]

just sprint n slide babbyy

move at almost the exact same speef

[atomic yacht]

agile engagement seems like itd be very useful for this too

[cyan verge]

what else are you taking... you should have something like, +5 toughness / gunners resist or sniper resist / flex slot

[pastel yew]

for no cost

[tame lodge]

DS big poke bad clear
PS good poke good clear

[pastel yew]

dueling sword has great defence and is a elite killing monster

[tawdry jackal]

Two 15% or higher toughness curios, one health curio. Perks are x3 toughness, x3 health, x2 gunner resist, x1 sniper resist

[pastel yew]

power sword requires no melee investment and is an ogryn / monstrosity killer with good horde clear

[atomic yacht]

hmmm is 10% rending better than 20% damage on ogryns? i feel like i run into ogryns a lot but like, maulers are usually my big foe

[pastel yew]

one is specialised, the other is generalised

[tawdry jackal]

Health is mandatory to stay above 200 health

[pastel yew]

absolutely not

[vernal sundial]

also note psword is slow
ds has amazing mobility

[hollow ibex]

Depends on the weapon tbh

[pastel yew]

the 10% rending is not that good

[cyan verge]

that sounds okay to me, I would just cope with it

[pastel yew]

its really weapon dependant

[atomic yacht]

ty!

[atomic yacht]

so itd prob be for something like a lasgun then yea?

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah it seems to be the best setup for my current playstyle

[cyan verge]

actually, check your tree

you should be getting +5% HP from SOMEWHERE

minor node

and if so, you can take off one +5% HP from a curio

[hollow ibex]

Yah but if you’re running bolter or something then no

[tawdry jackal]

I’m sure I am but I’m not factoring it in I think

[atomic yacht]

for def

[pastel yew]

you dont wanna shoot armor with your recon

thats what your melee and grenades are for

bap bap

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah I am getting a 5% so as long as I always go krak grenade tree I get it

[pastel yew]

its just a lot of ammo wasted

[tawdry jackal]

I should take survivalist more but I like having extra powerful krak grenades and don’t like the choices on the modes before survivalist

[atomic yacht]

i honestly struggle making much use of my recon gun anyway i always feel like i just do better with an autogun

[tawdry jackal]

Still it’s probably better for the team for me to get used to using it again

[pastel yew]

survivalist is just like... sorta nice

its never needed but I like it a lot

just lets you be wasteful

[atomic yacht]

but i also do jusut like the chunka chunka of the autogun

[tawdry jackal]

Shredder grenades I can get better with

[pastel yew]

all the auras sorta suck anyway

[cyan verge]

fire team helps you hit breakpoints with some weapons

[pastel yew]

autogun better damage but recon feels better to me since you have giga hipfire accuracy

[vernal sundial]

shredders are peak

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah but fireteam helps with some breakpoints and who doesn’t want more boss damage

[pastel yew]

it just feels way more mobile

and has no ammo usage really

[pastel yew]

like very very few

it's not 5% total damage

[atomic yacht]

i feel ya but have you considered the THRILL of kachunkachunka into a horde with big boolit

[pastel yew]

its +5% base damage

so 100% + all your other buffs% + 5%

[atomic yacht]

honestly the recon lasser just gives me tinnitus thats probably the short of it

[pastel yew]

its very inconsequential it does basically nothing

[vernal sundial]

i dont like kraks because not taking a weapon that can deal with armor is yikes, 2 kraks arent enough for a single pack of armor
boss dmg is nice but i find much, much more versatility and utility in taking shredders

[tawdry jackal]

Oh gotcha then fuck that

[pastel yew]

honestly I still take them even if my ranged weapon can deal with armor

[atomic yacht]

i love kraks i hate throwing a krak and then something dies before it goes off

[pastel yew]

its just good to save ammo

and they're good boss damage

on their own they already deal great boss damage

[umbral scaffold]

Allright thanks

[pastel yew]

but they also then make weakspot hits free

[hollow ibex]

Honestly all the nade options are good now

[pastel yew]

which can be a bit of a fuck about for some bosses

[atomic yacht]

oh is the smoke nade good now?

i was losing it getting sniped through smoke trying to pick up a homie

[pastel yew]

yeah krak or frag are basically the same strength imo just filling different roles

[hollow ibex]

Yeah borderline mandatory in havoc

[atomic yacht]

thats sick

[pastel yew]

and smokes are hot garbage unless you're playing high havoc apparently

[atomic yacht]

love smokes

[hollow ibex]

Less useful in auric still though

[vernal sundial]

kraks kill at most 2 enemies if you get lucky with a stack
and half the time you use them the crusher is dead from something else, like a ds4 for instance that will have killed 3 crushers by the time your krak has even gone off
i recognize their use but i dont think id ever use them personally

[pastel yew]

I cant see my eyeees

[atomic yacht]

me when the flame psyker shows up on the block

[tame lodge]

hot garbage

[atomic zephyr]

smoke nade and executioners stance kinda fucks though

[tame lodge]

[pastel yew]

oh godd

[wraith locust]

What’s the reason for 200?

[pastel yew]

I do hate flame weapons ngl

[pastel yew]

poxbursters and snipers

assuming you have two wounds

[atomic zephyr]

you guys run health curios?

[pastel yew]

a sniper will one shot you if you've went down already

[atomic yacht]

hey does uhhhh does the shoulder bash of the shotgun qualify as a melee kil

[pastel yew]

if you havent gone down, you can survive more poxbursters

[tame lodge]

At least one

[pastel yew]

only if I dont have good toughness ones

[atomic zephyr]

i run two toughness and a stam

[tawdry jackal]

Recon lasgun/psword mod

[tame lodge]

It's pretty easy to get 200 HP 180 TG

[atomic zephyr]

probably, but you're not killing shit with that bash - you stagger

[pastel yew]

uhhhh.... maybe? it does for the helbores

[runic axle]

Chat is this new meta?

[tall torrent]

Shooter damage is crazy

[tame lodge]

Lmao

[pastel yew]

finally a balanced plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

It really is even in low havoc lol

[pastel yew]

isnt it only high havoc that gets the condition tho?

[hollow ibex]

I’m thinking level 16 onwards

[pastel yew]

gives me a reason to get the smoke penance done I guess

[runic axle]

I'll be honest I don't like havoc for not having plasteel nor diamantine. Money and XP rewards are also dookie. Will probably bail out after I hit the 50 mission mark for body and helmet.

[atomic yacht]

hype

[pastel yew]

WAHT

it doesnt give you plasteel?

bro havoc is dead

I cant play that I need my new weapons ;-;

say it aint so

[runic axle]

Well, it does give it, but like if you were running third difficulty.

[pastel yew]

oh

[runic axle]

It also doesn't have ANY PLASTEEL OR DIAMANTINE ON THE MAP

[pastel yew]

I mean thats just for low havoc levels right?

wtf

[tall torrent]

Plasteel is worthless

[runic axle]

I haven't seen it at 24

[pastel yew]

do you get plasteel for rewards

[runic axle]

40-80, lmao

[pastel yew]

I have none so to me its very not worthless

[tall torrent]

Weekly cache

[pastel yew]

mmh

[hollow ibex]

I wonder how much the cache gives

[pastel yew]

I spend most of my plasteel levelling weapons though

[tall torrent]

You basically don’t play havoc for immediate rewards

It pays bad in dockets & crafting materials

[runic axle]

Cache is probably a "Level this thing once and claim passive reward"

[pastel yew]

kinda lame though if you get havoc 40 then just play auric maelstroms again

I want a harder difficulty I can play consistently

preferably quick play into

[runic axle]

If I get it right once you get havoc rank 40 all you have to do is complete a havoc every week to get max level cache

Once

[hollow ibex]

AM has way more build variety though

[tall torrent]

Havoc build variety be crazy

Smoke meta

[pastel yew]

its just not very challenging though

[tall torrent]

Laspistol + smoke

[pastel yew]

the challenge depends entirely on who you get quickplayed with

so some games are dead

and other games are fun

[runic axle]

My favourite build variety is ranged being shit, as well as the eyesight meta nerf because half the missions I can't see shit

[tame lodge]

You get the ranged enemies shooting more/damaging more at low levels
Then it ramps up really hard around 20

[tall torrent]

I’ll put it this way

[runic axle]

You already get 3 conditions at 10

[pastel yew]

from what I heard the real kicker was the condition though? that makes them have no gaps in firing and you lose your toughness safety net immunity

[tall torrent]

3 stalkers can instantly drop your toughness and remove at least 50% health

[pastel yew]

or whatever its called

[pastel yew]

huh

[tall torrent]

A single reaper can down u from full health & toughness in 0.6s

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1aada8-9bba-4bf3-aa91-009a019d3b54/boltgunner-shout

shout boltgunner. I make do with its hipfire in CQB no problem. And it’s more sorta a “give everyone toughness and extra damage on priority targets” as I pop scrubs. It’s better executioner stance, I agree

[tall torrent]

2 shotgunners can instantly crack your toughness

[atomic yacht]

put. the karkin. BEWTIIIINNN

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah Toughness Grace

[pastel yew]

missing a beat not grabbing the ability modifiers though

shout on monsters face...

deal mad damage

[runic axle]

Why this instead of get back in the fight

[tawdry jackal]

Oh yeah, could go right side

[pastel yew]

I havent actually made a boltgun build since it got buffed though

[tall torrent]

Because it’s better

[pastel yew]

weapon was fun as hell with weapon specialist

[tawdry jackal]

Without spending more time on it, past vet guides recommended it

This is a legacy build from last patch being tweaked

[pastel yew]

with executioners stance

even

not weapon specialist

[runic axle]

How often do you even have this condition working, really? And once you're out of it you'll just get your toughness back from allies.

[pastel yew]

I mean I'm gonna throw it out there

optimal vet play means you wont always be near enemies

[tall torrent]

Whenever it’s not working you have melee kills to sustain toughness

[pastel yew]

you're effectively the scout for dealing with fucked up things

does get back in the fight stop the power sword shutting off though?

[pastel yew]

I havent tested that

[runic axle]

Except every self-respecting random team doesn't bother with covering the back so I'm 80% melee and 20% is me pulling out plasma for a quickshot.

[pastel yew]

I know the power sword thing is a bug though

[pastel yew]

thats what your dodge key is fore

honestly 20% of the time pulling out the plasma is probably also down to being able to kill things that fast too

you're able to kill all the priority targets basically as fast as you can flick to them

[tawdry jackal]

My understanding is when you are alone and need to clutch, it’s the only way you’re getting back to full toughness without murdering some dudes in melee.

Out for blood lets me get toughness back from frags and shooting

[pastel yew]

so you play aggressive > kill the important shit > swap to melee make space > repeat

[tall torrent]

That’s even in its favour because this talent is better for clutching

[atomic yacht]

FUCK this twin barrel is peak

that thing about getting a free bullet back is so amazing

melee one dude blast a load into a horde melee another

[runic topaz]

legitimately my favourite vet build atm, the "i have 62 rounds in this 2 round magazine" build

so satisfying

[pastel yew]

yeah its so good

that and the zarona are basically THE weapon spec weapons

the shotguns not exactly the strongest of ranged weapons but it is hella fun

no doom eternal grappling hook on it though... so sad

https://tenor.com/view/super-shotgun-doom-doom-slayer-my-beloved-heart-gif-27227253

whats on everyones christmas list though

vet got no weapon this patch but

they'll get one soon???

[candid agate]

we'll get one next year apparently, so at least we have conformation

[tawdry jackal]

I do need to get the penances done for infiltrate and smoke vet. Could someone give me some advice for general playstyle and weapon set?

Need to level my Rashad axe too at some point. Anyway

[pastel yew]

in before everyone gets one next year...

[runic topaz]

i want some sort of volkite weapon

[pastel yew]

what are the conditions for the penances?

[pastel yew]

thatd be killer

its beyond immersion breaking to add them

as there is not a chance in hell we'd have one

[tawdry jackal]

Smoke a buncha fools with smoke grenades and uhh suppress with infiltrate x amount of times

[pastel yew]

but ... they would be very cool...

[tawdry jackal]

Think guardsman outfit grind for krak grenades

[pastel yew]

smokes are just general use

take both grenade gen talents and spam them on the highest difficulty you can play

then probably the same for infiltrate

honestly infiltrate is fun, and great for self survival but

ahhehhehh?

I like how fast it makes you run

I wish the night vision it gave you actually worked rather than being an ugly filter

[runic axle]

Might pick up other classes after some time. Do people like it more when there's a psyker or a zealot?

[tawny timber]

neither

[pastel yew]

depends

psykers die way more

zealots are fun though

just play whatever is fun for you

zealot is super fun if you wanna be aggressive

and psyker is... a lot more fun if you dont want to aim

and if you do wanna aim.. your options are few

but they're good

generally though I'd say psyker is low skill

[wraith locust]

What exactly do smokes do

Is there a video that tests interactions

[pastel yew]

you'd have to look up the interactions thing but it stops enemies from shooting into the smokeforces them to reposition

very often by running into it

the ai is kinda dumb

[wraith locust]

Last time I tried it it felt wildly inconsistent

[pastel yew]

never used them

[wraith locust]

Like flamers would just run through it and attack

[pastel yew]

dont like em

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean thats what they do

they cant target you so they come in to try and get a shot

and because they cant get a shot without being in melee

[tawdry jackal]

Idk about this. Doesn’t feel right: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1ef18f-a2e4-4ca4-accf-c413c68009c5/infiltrate-cqb-vet

[pastel yew]

they boot your ass

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean its personal preference

[tawdry jackal]

Could use help unfucking it and selecting a primary weapon. It’s a chainaxe/vrax IAG

[pastel yew]

I think onslought is terrible

onslaught bah

[tawdry jackal]

I don’t really wanna use onslaught but see it’s value for bosses or for carapace targets

[pastel yew]

you could drop onslaught and rending strikes to get grenade regen

[tawdry jackal]

But I could just axe a crusher and stun him first

[pastel yew]

you got a chain axe, you dont gotta shoot those

though I guess it could be nice since no krak grenades

generally I'd say its a waste of bullets though

I think you want a ranged weapon you can swap to quickly

then will kill an enemy quick too

so like double barrel, zarona etc

because in melee you need weapon sec up or youre gonna get nuked

[pastel yew]

the least amount of time it takes to Q > ranged kill > Q the better

[tawdry jackal]

Weapons I have leveled: boltgun, plasma gun, IAG, recon las, helbore

Not as comfortable with the helbore

[pastel yew]

that works, saves you a point going for demo stockpile though demo is definitely more consistent

thats because the helbores sorta mid

mk2 is good

mk3 is.. fun but problematic

[short fern]

I’ve never seen anyone comfortable with the hellbore

[tawdry jackal]

Stockpile is consistent but requires more of a deviation. I think I use the middle one

[pastel yew]

they need their blessings changed

they're just too slow to swap and kill with compared to... like literally everything

thats why the mk3 is borderline unusable

the blessing that increases charge speed requires you to have chained shots

so it's just always gonna be slow if you're mixing

if you dont pull out your melee weapon though they're some of the best weapons in the game

absurd

[pastel yew]

that's fair

I'd swap out rending strikes for a stam recovery node then

since it won't do a great deal for you here

[short fern]

Shovel is too op to not pull out

[pastel yew]

and the chainaxe has a goated push attack

the mk12 push attack is so satisfying

[tawdry jackal]

Rending strikes is indicated for IAGs

Stamina regen node is something I usually never run. Just the way it pans out for me

I’ve considered getting both for a stupid fast build one day

[pastel yew]

it's pretty underrated

effectively with just 1 your stam issues are a lot more comfortable

especially if you're using a weapon like the chainaxe which makes heavy use of push attacks

[tawdry jackal]

Figured out one way

[pastel yew]

if you have 2 you can literally slide sprint forever

[tawdry jackal]

Skips an unnecessary right side talent for chainaxe

Actually

[pastel yew]

theres one in the bottom left

you can grab for one point

rather than the deviation

[torpid grotto]

smoke is so bad I take the extra points to path thru krak

[pastel yew]

doing it for penance

[torpid grotto]

god hav emercy on you

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok now in normal missions and essential in havoc

[pastel yew]

probably the path I'd follow

[tawdry jackal]

Chainaxes do not need finesse but ya could be better this way

[pastel yew]

10% crit and finesse is good

its crit and weakspot damage

[tawdry jackal]

I do miss out on double stamina tho and isn’t that a hilarious gimmick?

[torpid grotto]

weapon specialist seems not to give u alot with the chainaxe and iag

[pastel yew]

reciprocity is also very good generally

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah ok so I did it your way and I guess that works. Thanks Bradley

[pastel yew]

its completely mandatory to use with the chainaxe ngl

no problemo

[tawdry jackal]

Just remembered being warned off of desperado for the axe

[torpid grotto]

why so

[tawdry jackal]

Not bad but not needed

[pastel yew]

chainaxe has two giga weaknesses right now, horde clear and dodge distance

[tawdry jackal]

Shit is slow to swing man

I get bogged down with it

[pastel yew]

going down to weapons specialist gives you +20% attack speed

and better dodge distance

[tawdry jackal]

Really wish I could spare two points for on your toes

[pastel yew]

the chain axe without attack speed is awful

[torpid grotto]

that procs after range kill right

[pastel yew]

honestly thats always the way with vet builds... I always wish I had one more point

or two

just barely short

[tawdry jackal]

Can I use a plasma gun for this one instead?

[pastel yew]

yeah

[tawdry jackal]

It’s quick to swap and it hits hard

[pastel yew]

you get +10% from the node before weapon specialist, then another 10 from specialist which also gives dodge range

[pastel yew]

if you want yeah

it's not gonna be that fast like

its gonna get a load of stacks in that one shot

oh wait ranges is just the one stack anyway

well.. itll get that one stack in one shot xd

[tawdry jackal]

And it’ll take advantage of the crit gimmick

Will constantly crit if I keep it hot swapping weapons and let me keep proccing agile engagement and WS melee

Yeah that’ll do. Alright thanks y’all

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[orchid hemlock]

the attack speed

[terse idol]

I'm trying to make the sapper shovel work and

Oly damn the horde clear is stank

I'll have to go back to the standard shovel for my krieg larp 😭

At least then the hordes will stagger

[tall torrent]

Havoc shooters so busted, smoke + born leader is the veteran meta

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[orchid hemlock]

my build is getting a revamp

i think the hardest obstacle for vets atm is the harden skin

[tall torrent]

Nah

[orchid hemlock]

actually clips our wings

[tall torrent]

It’s the ranged enemies

[orchid hemlock]

yeah and I can't shoot them back

😔

[terse idol]

I did talk to gale

And how reapers just

[tall torrent]

A single shotgunner

[terse idol]

Turn you into Swiss chee

[tall torrent]

Is a miniboss level threat

[orchid hemlock]

reaper with hardened skin at 10 miles away makes me want to

[tall torrent]

Reaper can down u from full health & toughness in 0.6s

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[terse idol]

I can't wait to play havoc

[true jackal]

reapers always been a lot scarier then people gave thme credit for. just a lot more noticable in havok what with the whole no toughness invuln period

they have always shreded hp

[terse idol]

Reapers especially on even auric now a days can light you up

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s because u can’t kill elites nearly as fast as in regular

[terse idol]

The buffs to their speed have reeeeallly turned them more dangerous

[tall torrent]

Elites have up to 1.5x health
Plus pus-hardened may come into play

[true jackal]

I think (unless they changed this) reapers have a damage boost specifically to hp (or a speciific damage reduction to toughness or some shit)

[tall torrent]

So reaper can stay alive way longer in comparison

[terse idol]

Tfw the damnation breakpoints don't work anymore

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun is very good for this purpose (it still staggers them)

[orchid hemlock]

look at this gross build I made for havoc 🤮

[terse idol]

The smoook

The agiiile

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAA

[tall torrent]

Nah

I’m genuinely considering smth like this

[orchid hemlock]

oh yeah for harden skin, FT is useless

[hollow ibex]

Smoke meta gaming

[orchid hemlock]

i assume determined is required as well now

because u have 20 shooters on your ass

[dense light]

Is popping .exe stance and then unloading near entire bolt pistol magazine against hardened skin to kill one gunner skill issue or is something just not working right

[tall torrent]

This is for infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

Not a skill issue, hardened skin makes enemies take up to 50% less ranged damage

[clever hedge]

Sounds like plasma is now king of havoc

[orchid hemlock]

u truly are a masochist

[tall torrent]

No? It’s genuinely one of the best guns to bring there

Veteran has like 3 good guns in havoc

Plasma
Infantry lasgun 7
Laspistol 2

That’s kind of it

[orchid hemlock]

why lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Ghost + falter

Anti-shooter

[orchid hemlock]

wait

ur a genius

[tall torrent]

Specialist sniping

[orchid hemlock]

this is why u r the GOAT

i have been shivering in doing vet on this week's havoc

[dense light]

what the fuck lmao I thought it was just general damage resistance - That seems totally wrong to just blatantly halve all ranged damage. Feels like I'm fighting the fucking Death Guard with my wimpy limp bolt pistol

[clever hedge]

Never thought see infantry las gun return to the meta

[orchid hemlock]

only been doing psyker and zealot

[tall torrent]

I mean you’re not wrong with the death guard part

A pus-hardened reaper may as well be a death guard terminator

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[hollow ibex]

Havoc fuckery

[tall torrent]

Smoke + born leader meta btw

[clever hedge]

Absolutely wild

[tall torrent]

U do not appreciate smokes until u walk around a corner and see 10 shotgunners ready to blast you down in 0.2s

[orchid hemlock]

Path literally is a chef in the kitchen

[clever hedge]

Especially after their buffs

[orchid hemlock]

actually cooking 5 star recipes

[dense light]

Like are Havoc missions with hardened skin only meant for melee vets/the other classes or what? I've tried with bolt pistol, bolter, the heavy Lucius mark. What is this inane shit of an unarmored Gunner with hard skin just gulping down heavy weaponry

[tall torrent]

U bring a gun with infernus

Ranged damage reduction does not apply to DOT

[orchid hemlock]

does brittle counter harden skin?

[tall torrent]

lol no

Harden is not adm

[orchid hemlock]

😔

[clever hedge]

So then why does recon suck in havoc? To much hard skin?

[tall torrent]

Recon is ok

But not having ghost is real bad

[clever hedge]

Gotcha 👍

[tall torrent]

And I don’t like having to spend a point on duck & dive to make stripped down work

[orchid hemlock]

recon already has bad armor modifyers

[somber mountain]

Infantry lasgun without headhunter/deadly accurate? Woah
sounds spicy

[tall torrent]

I’ll put it this way

In havoc

[orchid hemlock]

so on top of harden skin they will lit just bounce the bullets off

[deft oriole]

gunpsyker with empathetic evasion and infernus/dum dum on the MK12 is really good in havoc

beside from being a psyker

[tall torrent]

You can get your toughness obliterated by 2 stalkers bursting u once

[clever hedge]

Ooooooooof

[tall torrent]

Psyker is easily the best class in havoc it’s not even close

Best class in base game
Best class in havoc

[somber mountain]

suppression immunity is probably mandatory? 🤔 and makes between the eyes obsolete?

[deft oriole]

Everyone that signs up to my groups is playing zealot lol

[tall torrent]

Ghost + falter is best in slot for infantry lasgun 7

[slow spade]

I mean relic zealot isn't a bad idea

[analog mural]

One shotgunner burst in havoc nearly downed me from full

[tall torrent]

Smoke meta, get on with the times

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[dense light]

I made a build of just pure damage - As much damage as possible in ranged combat. Every talent possible, and used bolt-pistol; Felt like I was fighting for my fucking life, headshots be damned

[orchid hemlock]

what melee would u use with the lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[clever hedge]

Smoke meta, what a world we live in

[dense light]

Definitely just gonna run a stealth-crit build and infernus cause shit if the game wants to be goofy I'll just be goofy

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s job depends on which role u fill in a team tho

Veteran has like, 2 roles
Anti-elite (plasma + frag/krak)
Anti-shooter (lasgun/laspistol + smoke)

[dense light]

Absolutely, but the team is 3 Psykers/Zealots running zweihanders.

[orchid hemlock]

why the mk7 lasgun tho? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Falter staggers specialists

[hybrid island]

Is Mk7 the old iA or something

[orchid hemlock]

wait ur taking falter?

[clever hedge]

That's f******* good d***

[tall torrent]

Why wouldn’t u take falter

[runic axle]

Okay yeah, I've made up my mind. I'll branch out to psyker too. Forgot how fly it looks.

[teal canyon]

oh welp. Auric maelstrom without deaths. With bursters and mutant trains. That was fun.

[orchid hemlock]

i never used it on infantry lasgun 😔

[teal canyon]

guess the me

[tall torrent]

falter does a lot for this gun

[orchid hemlock]

also dont u need headhunter to proc the crits tho for ghost?

[tall torrent]

Ghost is weakspot hit

[hybrid island]

Ghost does not require a crit

[somber mountain]

apparently i have been playing vet suboptimal all this time D: i tried to go for onetaps on specials with headhunter/deadly accurate and the mk9 D:

[orchid hemlock]

oh yeah thats right

[hybrid island]

Inf Lasgun can be spammy

[clever hedge]

Vet meta in that build is with plasma span

Or recon/vraks spam

But havoc has its own meta

[somber mountain]

what'd be the dumpstat on an mk7 infantry lasgun with falter/ghost for anti shooter purposes? mobility?
and then flak/maniac for perks?

[tall torrent]

Havoc meta for veteran is quite a bit different from base game

[tall torrent]

Dump mobility
Flak + maniac
Ghost
Falter

[teal canyon]

what it is all about?

[rustic kite]

Best infantry lasgun? Im kinda vibing with the Mk Ix

[orchid hemlock]

does soulblaze count as "range damage"?

[tall torrent]

A single shotgunner can obliterate your toughness in 1 shot
A single reaper can down you from full health&toughness in 0.6s
Ranged enemies in general are super dangerous

[teal canyon]

its comditional damage

[tall torrent]

DOT is not ranged damage

[finite cedar]

Hey just wondering. Would anyone be able to help me with On Overwatch? I tried so many times I'm losing my will to live

[teal canyon]

So, how its change the meta?

[clever hedge]

Try the lfg tab. They do penance trades alot

[ionic bear]

what clothing is that btw

[gilded wraith]

Could this be tweaked for Focus Target instead for minimal drop off?

[tall torrent]

Base game, revolver is best veteran gun
Havoc, revolver is pretty much not relevant

[finite cedar]

Will do, thx

[teal canyon]

Never thought about revolver as the meta

[tall torrent]

Smoke has legitimate utility when ranged enemies are this strong

[teal canyon]

Not even as fun gun to use

[ionic bear]

i have yet to see a single revolver veteran in my entire life as a dt player

i really doubt thats the best vet gun

[tall torrent]

It just is, but that’s limited to base game

[manic lantern]

I've used it, but I'm not good

[ionic bear]

it just is according to who

[still oracle]

Yeah the ranged enemiea getting stronger makes smoke more desirable.

Still hard to justify IMO but definitely better

[ionic bear]

cuz its clearly not the player base

[teal canyon]

For me RN double barrel shotgun + weponspec is elevated above everything else

[tall torrent]

Do u understand veteran’s talent tree well enough

[vernal sundial]

i love being a little scrounger

[still oracle]

I don't know if it's the best but it's my vet weapon of choice for a weapon specialist/melee heavy vet

[tall torrent]

Or breakpoints

[clever hedge]

Very little of the player base gets really deep into minmaxig builds

[wraith locust]

The only stat that matters

[ionic bear]

you must understand that on all the time ive been here, used weapons myself and played with others
nobody has mentioned the revolver on high regard

its

just

bolter

[hybrid island]

Revolver becomes less popular since Survivalist cooldown introduction

[vernal sundial]

real

[hybrid island]

Before that you kill 1 guy with 1 shot and get refunded

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is around 4th~5th best gun for veteran

[hybrid island]

Now it's a drain

[clever hedge]

Agreeded

[vernal sundial]

if you're good zarona is probably like
the best
my friend is an aim god and regularly does the best with it

[runic axle]

What's the top 1-3 then, numbered?

[clever hedge]

Sounds like your peeps just like the biltgun

[teal canyon]

boltgun is good if poxes arent gonna bite your ass

[clever hedge]

I see plasma vets all the time

Few biltgun vets these days

[vernal sundial]

i use plasma cause my aim sucks

[ionic bear]

this is the first time ever ive seen revolver propaganda

[clever hedge]

Bruh meta zeolet is revolver???

[terse idol]

This is certainly why we're here thoug

WE ARE THE SMALL PLAYERBASE THAT MIN MAXES

[ionic bear]

cuz straight up 2 out of 2 million vets be using that gun atp

[terse idol]

Revolver is good

[clever hedge]

Correct 💯👍💯

[runic axle]

For some reason my aim gets enhanced 500% when I'm playing with a revolver, headshotting everything from the other side of the map, but when I pick the plasma gun I start missing like I'm having a stroke.

[tall torrent]

If only popularity meant good

But it doesn’t

[manic lantern]

This certainly seems to be the place that claims everyone else is dumb

[ionic bear]

looks at ds4

[true jackal]

it has a large hurt box on the shots

[tall torrent]

Go look at how popular chainsword is

[true jackal]

so it kinda makes you better at shooting then you think

[teal canyon]

what if revolver shoot cone?

[ionic bear]

usually when something is the BEST many people use it...

[terse idol]

I mean because if only the small portion of the playerbase min maxe

That does mean the majority see dumb

I'm joking

Half

[clever hedge]

This game is way harder to tell what is best

[terse idol]

There's alot of misconceptions

[terse idol]

Hhh

[clever hedge]

Especially under damnation difficulty

[terse idol]

Its why we have the guides to help us find breakpoints

[fair solstice]

The best weapon is the cowboy revolver. You might lose quite a bit in effectiviness, but you make up for it in style points.

[terse idol]

Under damnation everything is easy

[clever hedge]

So much also changes based on modifier of auric

[tall torrent]

When 90% of veteran players don’t even know how to melee properly, that’s a really bad metric to judge

[terse idol]

But for the average player

It's hard

[true jackal]

i'll also note that when something is good and popular that also ddoesn't mean they people know why it is good and thus it's often not actually that good

[terse idol]

Its just skill discrepancies, imo for me it's the law of averages

[teal canyon]

by obliderating hordes with DBShotgun

[true jackal]

I see this a lot in WF you get people asking why their giga op weapon isn't preforming and it's just the worst fucking build you've seen in your life

[ionic bear]

"when something is good and popular people tend to not even know why its good and popular"
i actually read that comment in the loner psyker voice

[terse idol]

Woops not the law of average

Thats differen

[teal canyon]

then killing one pox and decimating another wave

[terse idol]

All I'm saying is there are alot more average players out there

[terse idol]

Its pretty true

[true jackal]

loner psyker is a 10/10 voice so i'll take that

[terse idol]

If anything I'd point to new players on damnation not using 1+ wound

And dying

And running the "meta" curios

[tall torrent]

?
What kind of argument is that

[true jackal]

the average pub veteran one

[terse idol]

But they need to run 1 wound because they need to learn why people run the 2x toughness 1x hp because those folks are more comfortable

[teal canyon]

Double barreled argument

[true jackal]

gotta learn how to melee, even if you got something that can blast hordes

[tall torrent]

What are you even arguing

??

[ionic bear]

vets really do think theyre completely incapable of melee combat if they dont have WS

[delicate wagon]

Holy shit you aren';t kidding. All day all I got are zealots, no lie. Where did all the pyskers go

[teal canyon]

do i even argue?

[ionic bear]

the psykers are spamming smite and telekine shield in havoc

still zealots are absolutely on the rise this update

i havent seen a single vet since it dropped

its just psyker zealot

[tall torrent]

Psyker went from best class to best class+

[terse idol]

They're trying the relic swor

[delicate wagon]

I need one in my teams. I just keep getting doofuses, mostly Ogryns with xbox controller on tier 25+ (no offense to controller players)

[tall torrent]

(It’s mid)

[true jackal]

good mid tho

[terse idol]

I will say folks uhhh

[tall torrent]

It’s fun but ultimately pretty mid

[terse idol]

You say tha

[ionic bear]

it can one shot crushers so its above the average mid weapon

[terse idol]

That*

[ionic bear]

besides any weapon a zealot can hold is usually good in their hands

[terse idol]

But folks will run the db without manstoppe

Why is my phone cutting off last letter pls

[tall torrent]

Nah

[serene bough]

Revolver is definitely a powerhouse

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty mediocre

[ionic bear]

ur phone has ogryn speech impediment

[tall torrent]

I wish it was better because it’s such a cool weapon

[terse idol]

What makes it mediocre anywho

[teal canyon]

We gave everyone OP psyker dueling sword...
Well...
Time to give psyker a sword that can kill horde with one swing

[terse idol]

Uncharged relic sword slapping like a pool noodle?

[ionic bear]

pls dont compare it to the ds4 or i will burn you

[ionic bear]

(this is cap) uncharged relic can take down maulers no problem

[terse idol]

I mean ds4 is okie on hards to be fair

Horde

Not car

Cara

[ionic bear]

u ok bro?

[teal canyon]

i dont know if manstopper even triggers.
But it give more knocback so illtake it

[terse idol]

I told you my phone is acting up

[terse idol]

Uh

[tall torrent]

Disastrous dodge stats
Disastrous mobility stats
Disastrous attack recovery into block/push attack
Horde clear & anti-elite is basically heavy sword IX (but worse) with extra steps
Can kill carapace better and that’s about it

[terse idol]

Its why you're running ws

[umbral scaffold]

I run bolter and cs

[ionic bear]

the mobility on it is really not that big a problem

[manic lantern]

Your cellular communications are non-interpretable. Re-dress this issue, varlot

[tall torrent]

It’s a pretty big deal

Apparently it’s bugged too?

It somehow has decaying dodge distance even when you’re above 0 dodge count

In a live game

Genuinely awful mobility

[ionic bear]

oh yeah thats a thing it has when its activated

[teal canyon]

Found the traitor! SHOOT IT SHOOT IT!

[umbral parrot]

Which weapon?

[ionic bear]

for some reason an activated relic sword automatically has 0 effective dodges

[tall torrent]

Relic blade

[umbral parrot]

Damn, not yet tried it. Looks fun

[umbral scaffold]

Relic blade is cool tho

Cooler than heavy sword (which sucks)

[ionic bear]

it IS fun and effective for the most part

its just ur ofc slow

but zealot is john speed

[tall torrent]

Cool weapon
Ultimately mediocre
Wish it was better

My hot take is that it needs sunder

[umbral parrot]

Sticking with my Psword. That's meta.

[tall torrent]

It can do without brutal momentum otherwise zealot chat will think I’m crazy

But I think it needs sunder

[umbral parrot]

Well.... Hoping for my Plasma Pistol

[ionic bear]

its in queue for later next weapon must absolutely be the melta gun

[terse idol]

Me as I stick to my rasha

[terse idol]

No

[white minnow]

that's just how dodges work for all weapons but it's noticeable here
in this case, you have 3.8 dodges, and your last dodge is 0.8

[terse idol]

Hotshot las

Pls

[umbral parrot]

Good choice

[terse idol]

Or god forbid longlas

[tall torrent]

You sure dodges are supposed to decay in effectiveness at >0 dodge count?

[white minnow]

relic sword is a "reasonably balanced" weapon and I do not want it to have sunder since it's also a weapon with fairly good heavy loops

[white minnow]

yes, you can check with movement analyzer on quite a few weapons

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea? Solo mode with Relic sword, NOW.

[white minnow]

(no)

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[white minnow]

i would rather eat dry crackers without anything else than do solo

[calm shard]

god I love dry crackers wit hnothing else

[umbral parrot]

Solo is fun AF,

[old quail]

this doesn't feel like a very strong punishment

[white minnow]

my mouth will be a desert at the end of the session

[tawdry jackal]

Make Psyker guide pls

[tall torrent]

No

[old quail]

i conceptually disagree with blessings as a balancing mechanism - if you work from the assumption that you need X blessing to 'make a weapon better' you've essentially put it down a blessing slot

[white minnow]

(yes)

[old quail]

it also already gets wrath, and sunder is effectively just that but leagues better (because the majority of your performance comes from activated strikes)

[white minnow]

sunder is also pretty much just wrath but better

[true jackal]

cough brutal momentum cough

[white minnow]

ye

[tawdry jackal]

Oh bet, getting back to infantry lasgun play then. Getting caught up as well

[short basin]

I find different opinions what the dump stat on a lasgun is. What is the opinion here?

[true jackal]

i'd say sluaght too, but that's is generally less required to make the weapons it's on function compared to BM

[tall torrent]

Which lasgun

[true jackal]

i'd assume mobility

[short basin]

sorry helbore lasgun

[tall torrent]

Stability

[old quail]

all the blessings that are big rewards for no fundamental gameplay changes are just very unfortunate balancing sore spots and more really should've been done in the crafting update to remedy that