veteran-class

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[copper verge]

I mean yeah but still, manufacturing ammo charge packs instead of bullets just helps

[ionic laurel]

Yeah you're going to have 1-3 builds that are even usable

[wind grotto]

I think the class hit hardest in havoc is probably poor ogryn though

[ionic laurel]

Psykers are dead on guns too, its all staves

[copper verge]

Better to make one disposable box of brass than 30 individually cases rounds

[ionic laurel]

Glugger dead af

[serene bough]

I'll hold my opinions til I actually.play it

[wind grotto]

that poor motherfucker might as well not even show up

[cyan verge]

they probably want havoc to be too hard on release so that they can gradually nerf it until people stop complaining

[tall torrent]

Psyker is just gonna be Voidblast

[candid agate]

true

[serene bough]

But the set of buffs/debuffs are wicked

[ionic laurel]

Yep

Voidblast Smite the entire time

[wind grotto]

I think there is room for flame staff psyker also but a trauma staff psyker seems like it's going to be hella important

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with everything
Except enemy health increases

[copper verge]

Ogryn shield meta

Cant wait for a bullgryn build to stand in a door while smite psykers take turns shooting lightning behind him

[somber axle]

It feels like it is balanced around groups taking roles and covering each other like an MMORPG. Not tank, healer, dps, but instead of one person being all roles people have to specialize and cover each other's weaknesses, yeah?

[tall torrent]

Kind of

Because

[wind grotto]

I think both the enemy mass and health increases are wild

[tall torrent]

Zealot throwing knives

[ionic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/yhwach-absolute-cinema-bleach-yhwach-allmighty-yhwach-allmighty-gif-10857912098912747603

[tall torrent]

Actually cannot 1 tap specialists in havoc

[cyan verge]

LOL

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[somber axle]

That's true sadness

[cyan verge]

suck on that "knives are the only choice" zealots

[serene bough]

true

[elder fiber]

we did it, we fixed zealot balance issues \o/

[copper verge]

And veteran just jerking them off with voc while watching their back with a recon las or smth

[somber axle]

That -75% ammo from pick ups hidden modifier looks insane too

[cyan verge]

show some karkin spirit

[tall torrent]

Not a big deal when survivalist is still 1%

[copper verge]

Peak gameplay

[serene bough]

book will be dominant

[tall torrent]

It’s just that veteran has basically zero weapon variety in havoc and that goes for pretty much every class tbh

[serene bough]

it'll be too good to pass in the face of all these debuffs

[elder fiber]

book gives me long covid

[candid agate]

i mean the cooldown makes it feel very weird, or maybe im still recovering from the nerf

[serene bough]

but im sure people will find a way

[copper verge]

What would be viable for havoc zealot

[ionic laurel]

I hope they revert the hp changes before drop

[cyan verge]

do you think people are gonna stop complaining about smyker when it enables anyone to clear havoc

[copper verge]

Ds? Evis? Upcoming force claymore?

[wind grotto]

almost certainly not evis

[tall torrent]

Mk7 infantry lasgun has 108+720 (900 with fully loaded)
I’m sure you’ll manage

[copper verge]

Nah they would complain more LMAO

[elder fiber]

I'm gonna complain even more about smyker

[wind grotto]

anything slow will probably just get you fucking obliterated

[bleak cradle]

VB staff feels meh with no soul blaze build. But I bet we will be relegated to a rending/shield build to help on high havocs.

I just tried a rending staff (flurry bugged, fu FS) and meeehhhh

[elder fiber]

yall ain't seen nothing yet

the storm is coming

[copper verge]

“Unfair the glass cannon class gets to stunlock at highest diff”

[cyan verge]

it sure is

[ionic laurel]

It's going to be soulblaze, they are using smite 1000%

[copper verge]

Given smite is so broken

But damn

Smyker shield gonna be mandatory

[tall torrent]

Oh btw psyker buffed again this update
Toughness increase

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[copper verge]

Yippee

[cyan verge]

🌩️ the storm ⛈️ is coming ⚡

[copper verge]

Psyker eating good

[candid agate]

"bUt i DoN't WanA aDaPt anD chANgE mY pLaYSTylE"

[tall torrent]

Truly a gifted class

[wind grotto]

I think psyker probably does need more base toughness

[elder fiber]

nah

[cyan verge]

psyker is gonna have like 10 toughness in havoc lol

[bleak cradle]

Interesting. Mettle nerf did make us weakier.

[tall torrent]

I think plasma might not be as dead as I thought
But most melee weapons are very dead

[torn gorge]

wait what

[candid agate]

psyker gets breathed on by a scab gunner and dies immediately

[tall torrent]

Yea

[cyan verge]

gunners I think also fire faster, fire more, and uh yeah

[wind grotto]

isn't plasma going to take two shots for like everything now

in havoc that is to be clear

[copper verge]

oh elaborate?

[tall torrent]

Can still 1HS trappers

[serene bough]

well

what about plasma charge shots

[wind grotto]

lol

[cyan verge]

gunner be like "crudux cruo!" psyker be like nani and then he is vaporized

[torn gorge]

so i guess you actively want to avoid that aura when using lasguns

[tall torrent]

You start by not thinking about them

[somber axle]

Just gotta be extra careful with shots and melee whenever it is safe to

[copper verge]

yeah

[cyan verge]

well isn't that a mercy

[wind grotto]

also uh

[copper verge]

plasma wastes 3x ammo for 2.5x damage and same impact

like wtf

[serene bough]

i havent used plasma since they changed HP damage to THP damage

[cyan verge]

stop saying THP

[somber axle]

Kinda funny that the Lasgun seems to be the best choice LOL

[serene bough]

forget which update that one

[serene bough]

make me

[tall torrent]

I still think mk7 infantry lasgun would be better cuz it’ll 2 tap scab trapper but stagger on first shot

[somber axle]

Start with the Lasgun, end with the Lasgun

[copper verge]

honestly i dont think plas charge shouldnt take more ammo and just generate more heat

its so useless

[clever hedge]

All things come back to lasgun

[copper verge]

or they should let us ADS it and give it shitty sights idk

[candid agate]

finally, guardsman roleplaying is functional

[wind grotto]

I think I still wouldn't use it if it just increased cleave for no extra ammo or something

[somber axle]

They should drop Plasma charged shot ammo cost and/or up the damage. Drop cleave on uncharged shots too

[copper verge]

rolling for mk7 las rn, what should I run blessings wise and enhancements?

[tall torrent]

Pretty much everything in this update is good
Besides the havoc enemy health increase

[ionic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[copper verge]

yeah agreed ngl

[ionic laurel]

Yes

[tall torrent]

60% mobility, 80% everything else

Flak + maniac
Ghost
Falter

[ionic laurel]

and blow up on normals

[ionic laurel]

That doesnt even make sense

[tall torrent]

This is what u want

[copper verge]

cant wait to join lvl 40s as a lvl 1

[tall torrent]

You can’t, you’d need to be in a premade

Havoc has no matchmaking

[copper verge]

thats what i mean

ill join a premade with ppl here lmao

[candid agate]

it will be using party finder though

[copper verge]

honestly i hope they dont nerf voc solely to spite havoc difficulty once and never play it again 💀

grab title and leave

enjoy my retirement and shit

[ionic laurel]

Assuming the VOC nerf does go through im guessing you'll still be taking it for havoc right

[wind grotto]

i'll probably just try using party finder at first since I absolutely do not think i'm good enough for the really high numbers in havoc

[copper verge]

"yo Rannick i wiped out the heretics on atoma"

"how many"

"yes"

[tall torrent]

Yea because infiltrate’s extra 2 point cost hurts a lot

[wind grotto]

unless they nerf VoC into the ground there is no reason to take anything else for havoc

[copper verge]

yes

[candid agate]

fun?

[wind grotto]

I don't think you're going to be playing high level havoc for fun unless you're already thousands of hours in my man

[cyan verge]

what the hell is that?

[wind grotto]

and even then I imagine it will in fact not be fun

[candid agate]

finally ive found a GTFO that is populated

[wind grotto]

lol

[candid agate]

im gonna need to change my pants brb guys

[copper verge]

darktide psyker deadass just becoming elden ring

• dodge heavy, getting hit is punishing asf
• silly staves with spells
• two handed greatsword with fuckoff arc special atk

[wind grotto]

yeah I do wonder what the damage/cleave is on the funny force sword

[copper verge]

god i got gtfo and never touched it again once i lost my stack

lol

[ionic laurel]

I mean sure but smite is the pre nerf mimic in this case 💀

[copper verge]

haha

[candid agate]

weakling, bet you havent even completed R1

[tall torrent]

I’d like to use more than power sword for havoc but I guess not

[copper verge]

i completed the highest diff drops with a second person and 2 bots but it got mad boring after that

its fun tho with the right people

ngl

but very sweaty

[candid agate]

haha

[tall torrent]

I’m also not sure like

[copper verge]

pp sword

[tall torrent]

If people would actually care about pushing havoc ranks

[candid agate]

i remember one time i was with a group, it was R6D4, and one guy had made an entire room of mines, and i shot them and everyone except me got downed

[tall torrent]

Because idk if I want to account for that in my guide

[cyan verge]

I lost my entire friend group over GTFO, because every time they'd ask me what I'm up to lately, I'd be like 'GTFO' and they were like well I never, and never spoke to me again after that

[wind grotto]

yeah I think i'll just get to 30 or whatever doesn't feel ludicrously punishing

[copper verge]

im honestly just gonna play for the title

[candid agate]

we were laughing for hours

[wind grotto]

and just go for the cosmetics

[copper verge]

LMAO

[bleak cradle]

To save your sanity it should be a separate guide imo

[candid agate]

damn i miss those guys

[copper verge]

the strat we used was just spamming bio foam on hordes

we called it the cream team strat

it worked

really fucking well for some reason

bio foam + a few turrets

[tall torrent]

Nah since every weapon gets their own section I might just add a small header under each weapon talking about if it’s good for havoc or not

[candid agate]

better to foam a door and mine it twice, that way they dont get ground and you use less resources

and they all die except giants and hybrids

[copper verge]

we foamed doors and planted sentries

god FUCK hybrids

i hate them sm

[candid agate]

same

too much health, too much damage, and too fast

[copper verge]

also

charger scouts

and ig flyers if you had no ammo

oh my god the snatchers too they're terrifying lmao

[candid agate]

snatchers are the bane of my existance

they took me from a terminal while i was doing an uplink

and it was the kind you needed to find the logs with passwords in them instead of seeing them on screen

set me back like 4 hours

[cyan verge]

just add one section to the guide 'havoc' and say "these are good for havoc:" since

it sounds like, 'good for havoc' is a shorter list, than 'bad for havoc'

[terse idol]

I mean

It'll be fun for people who want the rewards

[somber axle]

Insane title and outfit are must haves for sure

[wooden moat]

tbf aren’t the rewards just more frames and whatnot

[somber axle]

But I wonder what they have for the rank 40 clear reward(s)

[serene bough]

are you sure all the gear can be unlocked w/o reaching 40

[somber axle]

No the black armour of the 53rd is unlocked from Havoc

But afaik we don't know what to do in Havoc to unlock them, just that they're Havoc specific

[wooden moat]

oh sweet baby jesus that looks amazing

[somber axle]

It gives me Resident Evil Hunk vibes

[serene bough]

well if its like penance progression where the last tier unlocks the body armor

[wooden moat]

sure you probably gotta grind like hell to get em but it seems so worth it

[serene bough]

then it makes sense

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hunk-resident-evil-resident-evil-hunk-resident-evil-gifs-resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city-gif-3688442693034924294

[wooden moat]

honestly as long as it’s free I don’t mind having to grind my sanity away for it

[somber axle]

If the steam guide on Havoc is to be believed

1-10 is equivalent to Malice
11-20 is equivalent to Heresy
21-30 is equivalent to Damnation
31+ is when it starts to get extra silly

And in one of the blogs they confirmed that you will not need to do max rank 40 clear to unlock the armour

My guess is probably 35

[serene bough]

hmmm

probably theres some title, border, or emblem to go with 40 then

[wooden moat]

probably between 30-40 then

normally would say its not too tough but if each mission only raises it up by like 3-5 points each then it’s probably only time consuming

[warm flower]

hey there, thoughts would be much appreciated ❤️ Looking to improve the build
There is a short description at the bottom of the build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da1e3f8-3b64-434a-86b0-c4427af2c3ac/power-sword-vi-gigachad-run-n-gun

[serene bough]

im curious to see how wicked 30-40 gets

it looks pretty gnarly but im not sure how people will evolve their builds around higher tiers

[wooden moat]

probably similar to most ranking systems in the sense that as you go higher, you lose more points than you gain whenever you fail

[cyan verge]

I have a feeling the havoc armor is gonna be like from grinding havoc

[signal cypress]

Me running the gs and a revolver
If it only were an odachi, be like ryoma from like a dragon gaiden

oh wrong chat
Oh well

[cyan verge]

it sounds like they want havoc to greatly extend the lifespan of darktide, like here's something to grind for 200 hours

[serene bough]

idk how much you'll drop from multiple losses

[wooden moat]

yeah that definitely seems like smth which could add a couple extra hours

[serene bough]

im hoping its only 2-3 levels

at maximum

[cyan verge]

I assume rank will be for bragging and your 'weekly reward' is what you spend to get armor

[serene bough]

ideally its just 1 level

[cyan verge]

imagine if they had a rotating shop with new armor sets you can earn by playing havoc a lot

or something

[serene bough]

that would be trolling lol

grind havoc or FOMO

[pseudo fiber]

armour requirements

[cyan verge]

yeah exactly

I think that's their goal

because it'd keep people attached to darktide longer

[serene bough]

ty

[cyan verge]

wait really

that seems pretty tame

[wooden moat]

honestly I’m fine if you lose more levels the more you progress, makes it more intense if you wanna keep going

[cyan verge]

that's also only one set?

hmm

[serene bough]

any idea if people leaked an achievement for max rank havoc

[pseudo fiber]

they did by accident

[wind grotto]

oh only 25 huh

[pseudo fiber]

oh this too

[warm flower]

looks cool

[warm flower]

any idea what time patch drops?

[pseudo fiber]

there's also "The insane" for beating a 35+ havoc with noone going down

[pseudo fiber]

#🐦tweets-sermons message

[serene bough]

title, emblem, or both?

[warm flower]

thx king

[pseudo fiber]

title

[serene bough]

thnx friend

[wooden moat]

in a row or in total

[pseudo fiber]

once

ohh

right

beat a level 35+ havoc

with noone going down

[wooden moat]

oh for a sec i thought you mean 35+ havoc assignments

[pseudo fiber]

not 35 havoc missions

haha

[wooden moat]

lmfao

same exact thought

[serene bough]

ummm

how many achievements tied to havoc

[pseudo fiber]

Theyre adding more penances obviously

there's a good amount

but there's "Beastary" ones now

which is for killing certain enemies

[wooden moat]

hot damn we eating good this update

[pseudo fiber]

trappers, mutants etc

[serene bough]

interesting

[wooden moat]

except the ogryn players

[serene bough]

looking forward to trying

[wooden moat]

gunner and rager penances gonna be completed within a week

[paper trellis]

am i the only one that hopes the power sword gets reworked to work like the relic sword?

[warm flower]

they'd make it useless by having it overheat too fast 😭

[pseudo fiber]

No

this is a common opinion for the playtesters too

because relic sword is that much fun

[serene bough]

relic sword really looks like a treat

glad its getting added

[tall torrent]

Nah
They got heavy stubbers that deal like 1700 maniac damage on Crit weakspot lol

They gave ogryn actual long range precision weapons

[tough tiger]

Is the update available yet?

[pseudo fiber]

the class tree changes ain't great hough

[warm flower]

#🐦tweets-sermons

[serene bough]

not yet

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[wooden moat]

ok nvm this is a miracle

thank you for enlightening me

[pseudo fiber]

Relic sword activation counting as blocking we're so back

[dim tangle]

What is the better kantreal model in darktide?

[pseudo fiber]

lasgun?

[dim tangle]

Ye

[tall torrent]

VII and IIb

[hollow ibex]

IIb

[pseudo fiber]

right now mk2b but path is cooking up something with the mk7 and havoc

and I trust him with my life

[copper verge]

what do you run for recon xiv btw

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac
Dum dum + deathspitter

[copper verge]

ah bet

ive been using infernus

[tall torrent]

Infernus is more for VIc and XII

[tall torrent]

With tier5 havoc hidden modifiers
Flamers 1400 -> 2100 health (2 -> 3HS)
Trapper 900 -> 1350 health (1~2 -> 2HS)
Gunner 1200~1400 -> 1800~2100 health (2 -> 3HS)
Shotgunner 1000 -> 1500 health (2 -> 2~3HS)
Far more reliable accuracy than autoguns for sniping priority targets
Has ghost to tank shooters
Has falter to interrupt specialists

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

In a game type where basically no gun can 1 tap priority targets

Turns out the gun that gets 2~3 taps out the fastest is Ruest

[hollow ibex]

fuck so ig i'll have to check out mk vii again 😦

for havoc at least

[warm flower]

look at this shiteeet
Looking to improve this build to it's full potential
There is a short description at the bottom of the build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da1e3f8-3b64-434a-86b0-c4427af2c3ac/power-sword-vi-gigachad-run-n-gun

[somber axle]

And then there's the funny pus hardened skin modifier that at max rank halves all incoming damage an enemy takes LOL

That's going to be a very funny modifier to play with

[paper trellis]

what is the dump stat for the plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have one

[copper verge]

also no 4 crit

[tall torrent]

Yea, not needed

I don’t play shock trooper with it

[copper verge]

ah i see

[paper trellis]

then what is the better stat distribution for it?

[tall torrent]

80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
71~72 charge rate
68~69 thermal resist

[paper trellis]

what website is that?

[tall torrent]

My guide

[warm flower]

first link in pinned msg

[paper trellis]

gotcha

[copper verge]

what's ur build? im using shock trooper with it atm

[tall torrent]

Standard WS build

Last 2 points into rending strikes & demo team

[copper verge]

ah kinda nice ngl

[junior grail]

No survivalist? You're a madman

[copper verge]

whats the logic behind taking this and no survivalist or shock trooper

[tall torrent]

It’s not necessary outside of havoc & C-I-VI

[tall torrent]

I melee

[copper verge]

cause my build atm is that, and it does very well with shredder frag

i use power sword a lot w it too yeah

[junior grail]

I hard VoC may get nerf

[serene bough]

here's to hoping

[junior grail]

Hope smokes get a buff haha

[tall torrent]

No confirmation yet

[cyan verge]

I think smokes would be good if they auto-highlighted like all elites and ranged enemies

cuz right now a big problem is they nerf YOUR visibility too

[tall torrent]

Smokes could be good if they had enough stagger to interrupt melee elites

[full dome]

uncs

how does one begin veteran

[tall torrent]

Learn melee

[cyan verge]

well, open the create a character menu

click on veteran

[full dome]

i have a level one veteran that i haven't touched due to me being addicted to zealot dopamine

[serene bough]

smokes will always be in shredders shadow

[cyan verge]

like, from TMNT, or...?

[serene bough]

lols

shredder frags

[cyan verge]

oh yes of course

[serene bough]

staggering/clearing a room will always be more useful than blinding some gunners

[cyan verge]

I am a krak user

[serene bough]

i like kraks but they're currently only useful for bosses

[tall torrent]

If smokes could stagger ragers out of their attacks it could actually be cool

[pseudo fiber]

C thingy thingy smoke

[torn gorge]

its def more situational

[serene bough]

shredders already stagger

[tall torrent]

I might just give up on combat axes

[torn gorge]

but smokes are both underplayed/overplayed by the community at large perception

[serene bough]

only thing smokes are good for is gunners, which you could counter by just breaking LoS with better positioning

[torn gorge]

did you finally see the PS6 light?

[tall torrent]

It’s the fact that they gutted basically every melee weapon in havoc

[cyan verge]

all I know is, I saw a guy using smokes the other day and I was like well this is nice because now I can't see the specials I am trying to shoot

[torn gorge]

back to knoife zipping around then

[tall torrent]

lol

[torn gorge]

or just voc/frag for extra safety i guess

[hollow ibex]

i mean you're not going to be playing exclusively havoc though 🤔

[tall torrent]

You’re gonna hit 2 poxwalkers with ur knife

And your cleave is out

[serene bough]

yeah ill prob stick to knife/shredders for the time being

PS mobility is literal cancer

[tall torrent]

I kind of want to run knife

[serene bough]

zealot flamer will definitely be valuable in havoc

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s about their most valuable gun

[serene bough]

vet melee w/o powersword is gonna be hot garbage

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

I think heavy sword, power sword, knife and duelling sword are gonna be the meta melee options on veteran

[serene bough]

but thats what shredders will help with i guess

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't DS be shit against hordes in havoc?

[serene bough]

assuming there's no buffs/nerfs

[cyan verge]

heavy sword huh...

which one

[serene bough]

id imagine special/elite spam is probably going to be more detrimental

[tall torrent]

You’d be right
But since havoc is a team game, someone is gonna pickup the slack

[torn gorge]

DS4 and the artillery build seems like a very easy pick in that sense

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s role is mainly anti-special & anti-elite

Even more so than before

[hollow ibex]

true i guess with premades it makes sense

whereas in QP you do everything yourself lol

[tall torrent]

Because zealot throwing knives cannot 1 tap specialists

[cyan verge]

good

get off my lawn zealots

[tall torrent]

And they have to run a flamer for anti elite

[torn gorge]

🅱️istol can still 1 tap or not?

[tall torrent]

So they’re gonna have like

Zero anti special

[tall torrent]

Haha no

Too bad buddy flamers have 2100 maniac health

No weapon hits that hard

[hollow ibex]

bistol already hardly one-taps on damnation

[tall torrent]

The only thing that comes close is plasma if u specifically take maniac damage perk

[serene bough]

flamers gotta be dealt with more in melee

unless you utterly need 2shoot

[torn gorge]

too bad that vraks7 has terrible maniac ADM

[tall torrent]

Oh dw they’re dead

[cyan verge]

oh no...

[torn gorge]

they were already dead

[tall torrent]

They’re not even gonna 1 tap trappers (1350 maniac health)

[serene bough]

3veg returns

[torn gorge]

gl playing with a HH in a maelstrom nurgle

[serene bough]

just as i got off

[torn gorge]

and you get a pack of green ragers

[tall torrent]

Actually I think plasma could be pushed to 1 tap flamers and shotgunners?
And even 1 tap Tox bombers?

But they won’t have the ability to 1 tap gunners

[cyan verge]

press F to pay respects to me never getting this penance

[tall torrent]

Just play ogryn for 5 games

[serene bough]

im sorry you'll never get ASS

[tall torrent]

No cheese needed

[cyan verge]

yeah, I mean, I guess...

[hollow ibex]

simplest way is to play super easy modifiers.

and/or play ogryn

[torn gorge]

ogryn mid capstone and shield

[serene bough]

since the tree rework im 99% vet

still havent finished all psyk/zealot penances

[cyan verge]

vet is probably my favorite for no real reason

I just like it

[serene bough]

they got a good mix of melee/ranged abilities

[cyan verge]

feels like I can carry more easily as vet

with ogryn it's like if I am the last one alive I am often just not fast enough to keep away from all the bad stuff suddenly swarming me

and psyker is okay too

[hollow ibex]

yeah 'm terrible with ogryn

i got my ASS with vet

[tall torrent]

I feel I may have to main power sword / knife + infantry lasgun for havoc

[hollow ibex]

how would knife work? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Play in a way I never rly played before

[tall torrent]

Run around, reposition, take out priority targets for teammates

Because realistically in havoc the best special sniping falls upon 2 classes

Veteran & ogryn

[serene bough]

knife+ ilas is my standard

[tall torrent]

Ironically

Zealot lost throwing knife 1 taps

[serene bough]

mobility has saved me so many times i cant play without it

[hollow ibex]

ah as a mobility stick

[serene bough]

i just hope knife still 1hko flamers

[steady wolf]

whats up with ilas? always thought recon las was better?

[somber axle]

Havoc modifiers

Changes breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Mathematically the mk7 infantry lasgun is one of the best weapons for havoc

[somber axle]

TTK changes a fair bit for Recons too

[steady wolf]

Oh I see, makes sense

[somber axle]

Enemies will have more HP

[steady wolf]

That's kinda rough

[somber axle]

For Aurics and Maelstroms it's still good

For Havoc it may not be

There are some extra funny modifiers that make Gunners/Reapers/Stalkers/Shotgunners extra silly

Ghost is going to be very, very useful

[steady wolf]

Yet another god roll weapon to acquire and level

[tall torrent]

That’s putting it very very lightly

Recon has pretty bad TTK vs specialists

I’ll give u an example

The meat grinder doesn’t show u time to kill, only dps

If you kill a flamer in 1 shot (0s ttk), it says 1400dps

If you kill a flamer in 6 headshots from recon XIV, that’s around 0.65s TTK but it’ll still say 1400dps

But obviously there’s a huge difference between 0s TTK and 0.65s ttk

[dusky galleon]

are the recon lasguns or infantry autoguns better if i take Stripped Down?

[tall torrent]

Usually you don’t need stripped down for either

[dusky galleon]

i like it

[cyan verge]

isn't stripped down for like. duck and dive nonsense

[copper verge]

Is the update coming at midnight?

Like

Est

[somber axle]

this is making me realise the Recon Mk XII TTK vs Crushers in Havoc is going to be awful and probably not worth building for

[tall torrent]

5400hp carapace

Don’t bother

[signal cypress]

Use melta gun on space marine 2 feels wonderful

Why cant we have it again?

[copper verge]

Real

[somber axle]

yeah that's not going to work for sure LOL

[copper verge]

I want meltagun or melta carbine

[tall torrent]

5am est

[steady wolf]

Power fist please 🙏

[somber axle]

that leak for all the penances to earn the black 53rd armour looks neat but the hard part seems like it will be the helmet

[signal cypress]

On god

[somber axle]

help 50 players complete a havoc run

[signal cypress]

Lemme just decimate a whole ass hoard with one good melta shot

[somber axle]

time to just run with literally anyone and everyone for a bit

[signal cypress]

Horde*

[copper verge]

Hmm

Whats best difficulty to farm diamantine btw

I need it, tryna save for psyker sword build

I have 700k dockets rn lol i just need materials

[tall torrent]

Damnation

~300 per game

[warm flower]

today i had 6 pieces of diamantine

[copper verge]

Ah

Alrr

Thanks

Ill prob do 2-3 more damnation runs

So i have enough diamantine and plasteel for sword

[tall torrent]

~1400 per gold max power weapon on avg

[copper verge]

Ah

So a few more then lol

[copper verge]

Does auric pay more?

Not maelstrom

Just auric damnation

[shadow dagger]

one guy rushes way too far ahead because he thinks the res is closer than it actually is

everyone else dies

and i have to watch this guy charge and dueling sword bodyshot a plogryn five times in a row

what are we doing in iiiveg

[tall torrent]

No

Material spawn rate is same

[shadow dagger]

he has visibly given up on even trying to headshot

sighh

[tall torrent]

I’d like to remind you that
Moebian 21st modifier is in havoc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[serene bough]

Don't care

At least not yet

[somber axle]

Knife into Moebian 21st is going to feel awful but at least you can bet Havoc Group Finder will be flooded with Smitekers day 1 so maybe they'll give you space

LOL

[cyan verge]

that is a very nebulous one, it doesn't make too much sense to me unless it is like. 'join a session' or something. like okay, I was gonna anyway

what is moebian 21st anyway

I read the description but I don't get it

[serene bough]

I mean

Itll depend on the team comp

Knife garbage but shredders can help, plus someone else will have to carry horde clear

[somber axle]

Yeah I'm mostly just joking because I'm expecting day 1 will be very chaotic

[serene bough]

May have to make my build more meta though

[cyan verge]

ogryn will take care of horde melee duties it's fine

[serene bough]

Armored groaners

[somber axle]

Knife + iLas is probably fine considering the role is anti-special/anti-elite and Knife helps cover the weakness to Carapace but wow

[hollow ibex]

imagine if kraks can't one-shot crushers anymore

that won't happen... right???

[somber axle]

Power Sword + iLas is nice but you've got no mobility so if the group needs to move FAST you're going to be pulling up the rear

[serene bough]

I'll be counting on knife for mobility and killing high priority specials

[somber axle]

there was an event before where hordes were replaced with more heavily armoured tougher versions wearing mostly flak and anyone who thinks Dueling Sword Mk IV is a good horde clear weapon on Vet is in for a rude awakening when they run into them

[elder fiber]

I miss it so much

[torn gorge]

just pack more frag nades for that mission

[umbral parrot]

Tomorrow everyone~!

Who's excited~?

[torn gorge]

you mean today

[umbral parrot]

Tomorrow

I am hyped! I hope i find a good team~! ❤️

[warm flower]

6.5h from now aint tomorrow for me

[wooden moat]

pretty sure that would be 7.5

cause pst

[warm flower]

huh let me recheck

oh yea right

7.5

[umbral parrot]

Tomorrow~!

[umbral parrot]

RIP Noob players.

[umbral parrot]

They're going to eat so much dirt

[wooden moat]

tbf if they end up in the addiction loop such as ourselves they’ll last

[umbral parrot]

Yea. I'm just worried. Have not yet seen a good console player. I hear they get bad FPS in bigger hordes.

That and they're bad too but still!

[wooden moat]

oh cmon I’m not all bad

[bleak ginkgo]

Got early acess on ps5 few days ago. Addicted and leveling my third to level 30.

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea? Solo every single mission~! x3

[bleak ginkgo]

Although struggling on how to survive with the big Chungus.

[wooden moat]

I done at least 3 auric maelstroms, is good enough?

only missing zealot for lvl 30

[umbral parrot]

Get A.S.S.

Legit of course.

Regardless, the only way to get better is by playing more

[wooden moat]

I’m aware sir, been playing since september

[warm flower]

whats that

[wooden moat]

not sure who me exact main is since I’m all over the place with psyker and veteran

[wooden moat]

auric storm survivor

[warm flower]

ty

is it 5 or 10 for ass

[hollow ibex]

5

[wooden moat]

all in a row

[hollow ibex]

10 is auric exemplar

which is any auric mission, even heresy

[wooden moat]

is longer but slightly easier

[warm flower]

oh so you cant hop auric malestrom - something else - auric - something else?

[dusky galleon]

Exhilarating Takedown its fixed?

[hollow ibex]

you can

you just can't die if you do a maelstrom

[warm flower]

alright, that makes it less hardcore

cheers

[hollow ibex]

but you can play other games in between maelstrom runs without resetting streak

[wooden moat]

yup, downed is fine but captured no

[dusky galleon]

The boltpistol reaches any breakpoint with Deadly Accurate that the bolter doesnt?

[warm flower]

How does strength work? 5 stacks of +8% strength = +40% dmg?

[tall torrent]

if u play boltpistol for breakpoints, deadly accurate is not really a good pick

[tall torrent]

strength is damage, cleave & stagger
it's written in the guide

[cyan verge]

strength is: good

I think I am never gonna get a better clip than this

[dusky galleon]

can you use marksman and for the emperor at the same time?

[cyan verge]

'for the emperor'?

[dusky galleon]

the two red nodes

[cyan verge]

uh sure why not right

I mean

it doesn't influence your keystones

it augments your combat ability

so voice of command or whatever

[somber axle]

there's one really obscure Crusher 1 tap breakpoint with Marksman's Focus, Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes during Exe Stance with Marksman + For the Emperor but it relies on 10+ stacks of MF to maintain and is only possible during that 5 sec window iirc (and also still requires Deadly Accurate!)

Boltgun can't get to 1 tap no matter how hard it tries

very few people run MF and even fewer people run MF with Bistol so it's mostly just a funny math thing

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not as dead at havoc as I thought

You can build it for flamer 1HS

And it’s pretty consistent 2 bodyshot vs most things so even though it sucks ammo it’s gonna put things down as reliably as possible

It can’t 1 tap gunners tho

[elder fiber]

just play with 2 soykers and karsogryn so you can slurp up all the ammo yourself

[cyan verge]

mine is not one-tapping gunners on damnation atm for some reason so whatevs I guess

[tall torrent]

And I’m pretty sure it needs rising heat for breakpoints so u don’t get to run gloryhunter

[tall torrent]

Did u put unarmored on ur plasma

[cyan verge]

no I have uh, let me see here

[tall torrent]

Did u follow the guide for breakpoints

[cyan verge]

for like, weapon stats?

I basically looked at this page

and was like oh yeah, so elite or unarmored. and flak. okay got it

I didn't really get this having unarmored (flak)

so I was like uhhh I guess I'll go elite instead

[tall torrent]

U need superiority complex if u want to take elite instead of unarmored

I think plasma gun meta is gonna be unarmored & maniac tho

[cyan verge]

ah I am missing that

I have bring it down instead

[tall torrent]

Not just for havoc but it’s also a good combination for damnation

Maniac allows u to 1 tap flamer even with havoc’s health (also 1 bodyshot trapper)

And unarmored allows u to 1 tap Dreg Tox bomber in the head

It’s gonna be 2 shots vs gunners and scab shotgunner

But that’s more tolerable

[cyan verge]

oh and oops my tree is basically this and you said right here may not be compatible with plasma gun my bad

[tall torrent]

Yea plasma wants a very particular set up

[cyan verge]

and I put two spare points into, longshot and fully loaded

[tall torrent]

Don’t take Longshot ever

It’s a Longshot to get value out of it

[cyan verge]

oh it's bad?

I don't actually know the distance requirements on it

oh

[tall torrent]

this is what u need for plasma

[cyan verge]

okay that's a bit crap

hm thanks

[magic flume]

I fixed my build and have a much much better understanding of combat.

Night and day performance

[tall torrent]

After some testing with breakpoints

I think veteran meta for havoc will be power sword + plasma gun / infantry lasgun 7

[magic flume]

Haven't tried it on Damnation yet

[somber axle]

Is Plasma going to be ok in higher rank Havoc? It always seems like one of the more ammo starved weapons that even Surv Aura doesn't help a lot of Vets sustain themselves on and with the -75% ammo from pick ups that's going to be tricky to keep it fed (but at least it's not CIVI)

[frigid lance]

why inf lasgun and not autogun

[somber axle]

sounds like it can still hit satisfying breakpoints but then once the ammo goes dry you're melee Vet

and that rank 40 vid seemed to have a LOT thrown into the mix

[cyan verge]

I have an OK time with ammo economy without survivalist with plasma even with my terrible not-oneshotting things build so I assume it's not too bad as long as you're conservative

[somber axle]

gotta play extra conservative with shots

[cyan verge]

and ideally the other people will be feeding you ammo anyway

[open urchin]

Is anyone getting extreme frame loss?

[somber axle]

depending on team comp yeah

[tall torrent]

I think it’ll be good for a couple reasons

1. It’s the only veteran gun that’ll hit flamer 1HS (and trapper 1 bodyshot), as well as both bomber 1HS

2. It’s extremely consistent 2 tap vs gunners & shotgunners

3. It cleave a lot vs maulers & Dreg ragers

4. It doesn’t cost that many talents to run so you can’t afford more things compared to infantry lasgun 7

[cyan verge]

zealot exists to melee the horde, psyker will be smiting and ogryn will share ammo with you

[somber axle]

as long as it's not double Vets competing for ammo pick ups maybe

[cyan verge]

lol

four plasma guns

well, this is a world where

you are bringing power sword apparently

so

[tall torrent]

As it turns out being able to snipe things with extreme consistency while having a blessing to tank 17 bajillion ranged enemies is quite good in a mode where there’re 17 bajillion enemies trying to shoot u

[tall torrent]

Nah, havoc is gonna be premade only

Team comp is not as big of a problem

[cyan verge]

oh yeah true

keep forgetting that

[grand perch]

MY
TIME
HAS
COME

[cyan verge]

it's so weird for anyone to even think of darktide as like oh yeah this is gonna be a competitive esports Party Finder game

but I guess that's where we are headed

[dusky galleon]

tunnel vision is worth it if you are stacking Iron Will, Confirmed Kill and Exhilarating Takedown?

[tall torrent]

Unironically
Veteran and ogryn might have the best anti-special firepower in havoc

Ogryn’s new precision stubbers are nasty (in a good way)

[grand perch]

I'm just happy for lasgun, it's my most used weapon in 1800hrs of playtime

[tall torrent]

Those are the only 3 weapons I’d consider havoc worthy for veteran

Maybe Vraks 5 infantry autogun just for its sheer dps

But it’s not nearly as good for killing gunner waves that can actually eat u alive

[frigid lance]

which mk for lasgun

[ionic laurel]

Weird they havent released patch notes yet

[tall torrent]

7

[cyan verge]

by the way, check this out, the stats on my plasma gun actually changed yet again

this was originally 71% thermal 69% charge rate

now it's 75% thermal and 65% charge rate...

[restive pawn]

Interesting

[cyan verge]

I am not okay with that

[somber axle]

weird question but do you know how many shots vs Reapers in Havoc with the iLas VII

[tall torrent]

prob gonna drop same time as update
there aren't many balance changes from what I heard tho

[somber axle]

early on in that rank 40 Havoc vid the Zealot gets into melee with a Reaper as it is winding up and despite getting off a few hits gets their toughness and HP shredded to pieces and only survives because of that Zealot invulnerability talent

how quick does iLas put them down

because the extra attack speed on them looks vicious

[thick needle]

Using the 2B Shotgun for a weapon specialist build (for fun)
Y'all think Man-Stopper is worth taking over Full Bore

[idle pecan]

is there any way to make the shredder autopistol super strong

i want to run around and be a diet zealot

[grand perch]

no

[ionic laurel]

It's why you are going to see smyker every single game, probably multiple

[tall torrent]

speed is irrelevant when u can tank their shots forever with weakspot hits

[ionic laurel]

100 years smyker meta

[grand perch]

but you could try that
#veteran-class message

[cyan verge]

no the shredder is terrible

don't use it

ever

[somber axle]

I mostly mean just to help cover team mates because if Vets are focused on shooting with iLas they're probably not front and center and getting aggro from Reapers/Gunners

so I'm curious how many hits to take them out with the new HP

though I guess we're going to find out soon anyway

[cyan verge]

it's like five shots.

[somber axle]

and if we're going VoC

no Exe Stance buffing iLas

[tall torrent]

enemies prioritize attacking players that are attacking them

[tall torrent]

reaper would be 6k health

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s a lot more than that

[somber axle]

yeah but we can only shoot one target at a time and a squad of Reapers/Gunners is going to start unloading into the team too yeah?

[wind spoke]

Is there a generally "better" infantry autogun? Kinda tinkering around with them a bit and curious what the math says, I'm really liking Agripinaa so far.

[tall torrent]

I think it might be like 8 shots?

[somber axle]

mostly just curious on the number of shots per target here

[tall torrent]

Vraks V is statistically the best one

[somber axle]

man 8 shots sounds painful but if we can shoot each of the Reapers to get aggro and maintain Ghost we can just tank them for the team I guess

[tall torrent]

For weakspot hits
Trapper 2
Flamer 3
Shotgunner 2
Gunner 3
Bomber 2 (on avg)
Reaper ~8 (?)

[wind spoke]

kinda figured the firehose mark would probably be the mathy best one. lord it's a pain to try to control while going full auto, but I'll try playing around with it some more, thanks!

[tall torrent]

Get a roll with 80% stability
Also remember to crouch when going for long range sprays

[cyan verge]

the rest of the team will figure out how to deal with the reapers in their own way I am sure

[tall torrent]

Crouching notably reduces their recoil

[wind spoke]

Crouching is probably a big part, I haven't been. And I thankfully have one with 61 mobility so it's set for rolls, at least. Appreciate the tips!

[ionic laurel]

I mean keep in mind you are probably going to have to have a good ogryn to even do anything so it probably will be better in practice, especially since I can see shield ogryn jumping up in usefulness ridiculously high. We are probably on shooter duty for 90% of the mission, especially with a las gun

Smite and Ogryn will make harder elites a lot easier

[tall torrent]

Havoc is less about dps and more about surviving

[somber axle]

that's fair yeah

true

[ionic laurel]

Idk about zealot, i feel like it's just going to be mashing into the horde and spamming chorus tbh

[warm flower]

when power sword charges up, does it have max possible cleave? meaning brutal momentum aint that great?

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

[tall torrent]

Power sword ha 10.9~11.7 cleave when energized

Brutal momentum counts an enemy’s hitmass as 0 if you kill that enemy with a weakspot hit (up to 4 enemies) so u can still cleave 10.9~11.7 mass after BM goes through its course

[warm flower]

yes i know how it works

but im trying to understand

ok then i dont know how it works lmao

so its just essentially even stronger cleave for powered up attacks, yea?

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum is not necessarily more cleave

It’s “better cleave damage distribution”

[warm flower]

oh, so a mauler will get hit for more if in a crowd of poxwalkers?

theoretically

[tall torrent]

Normally, damage falls off from each enemy struck by a cleaving melee attack

I’m gonna make up some numbers for demonstration

Let’s say power sword’s energized attack hits first target for 800 damage on weakspot and kills it

Second target it’ll hit will use the “second target” damage profile which is lower than first target

Could be smth like 500 damage on weakspot, still kills

Third target, weakspot damage is even lower at 300, now it doesn’t kill

Fourth target maybe 128

So on so forth

[warm flower]

Up to around 11th target?

[tall torrent]

Every successive enemy struck by a melee attack takes less damage than the former

[tall torrent]

This depends on the enemy’s mass but up to 11~12 yes

With brutal momentum this is a bit different

First target 800 damage on weakspot, kills, which activates brutal momentum and treats this enemy’s mass as 0

Second enemy would therefore still take first target damage (800 on weakspot) which also kills

[warm flower]

i see

and it ignores up to 3

interesting

[tall torrent]

This sends BM to continue onto 3rd and 4th target

BM stops working after 4th target

So on the 5th it’ll start going into cleave damage falloff

[warm flower]

So because the cleave is so strong, wouldnt Slaughterer be better? For raw damage increase? 🤔

[tall torrent]

No because BM makes you kill hordes significantly faster

[rigid schooner]

So if you have infinite cleave will you just be dividing your damage on each subsequent target, until you're doing 1 damage to a near infinite amount of targets?

[tall torrent]

No

Because there’s a minimum cleave damage

After a certain point it stops going down

It’ll be a really low value tho

Like 28 damage on weakspot

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

Some weapons can even have 0

[rigid schooner]

So basically nothing then

[tall torrent]

Meaning they don’t deal any damage to enemies in cleave after a certain point, only stagger

[ionic laurel]

BM basically makes you hit 5 enemies the same as one in front of you, there is no replacement. If there was it wouldnt be meta for so long lol

[warm flower]

https://tenor.com/view/notbad-basketball-sports-athletics-competitive-gif-5437642

[tall torrent]

Such as
Evicerator XV (all light attacks) up to 4
Evicerator III (L2, L3, PA) up to 4
Chainaxe IV (H1, H2) up to 4
Chainaxe XII (L1, L2) up to 4
Bully club (all) - all heavy sweep attacks - up to 3

[cyan verge]

oof

I knew that stupid bully club was trash

[tall torrent]

Yea

If u see any tier list ranking them above the lowest tier possible u can basically disregard it lol

[hollow ibex]

but the slap

[rigid schooner]

So is vet really getting nothing at all tomorrow?

[ionic laurel]

nerfs

[rigid schooner]

Plasma gun charged attack now gives 25% more heat

[cyan verge]

you don't use the charged attack though right

[ionic laurel]

wait wtf? seriously?

bro

[tall torrent]

Buffs, actually

[rigid schooner]

Is joke

[hollow ibex]

VOC buff??

[tall torrent]

No

[hollow ibex]

🥺

[tall torrent]

Ranged stun - gone
Shotgunner pushback - gone

Buffs

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[rigid schooner]

Stealth vet nerf

[cyan verge]

good

[ionic laurel]

based on playtesters, there's a 90% chance VOC is nerfed somehow in patch

Either through Tact awareness or the skill itself

Idk anything else

[tall torrent]

The one I talked to didn’t say anything of that sort so we’ll see

[cyan verge]

they aren't nerfing VoC

[hollow ibex]

wait this is actually pretty big

other classes are still impacted by those?

[tall torrent]

It’s still gonna be the best ability for veteran anyway

[cyan verge]

they're not gonna nerf VoC on the same patch they introduce a massively difficult mode

[ionic laurel]

Yeah if it was there they could have easily removed it anyway, idk

[tall torrent]

Global

[hollow ibex]

ahhh

still nice

though shotgunner pushback was mostly fine imo

[tall torrent]

It’s a huge buff

[cyan verge]

I was thinking actually they should probably just give vet suppression immunity always so you just never have to worry about not being able to do your job imo

[hollow ibex]

the ranged stun is pretty damn big

[cyan verge]

there's already suppression immunity as a talent and built into uh executioner's so

[somber axle]

I'm going to miss the Shotgunner pushback

[cyan verge]

just give it

[tall torrent]

I think some weapons should have base suppression value changed

Infantry lasgun mainly

[rigid schooner]

Imagine if patch makes shredder vet meta

[frigid lance]

inf lasgun is so hard to aim with suppression

[tall torrent]

Don’t worry you get -45 toughness in havoc

[terse idol]

What not

[tall torrent]

Your toughness will evaporate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[terse idol]

This is actually the best time to nerf voc

So you can adjust the hardest difficulty

[cyan verge]

because if they shake up the meta too bad it'll cripple veterans and the gamemode won't work

[tall torrent]

Havoc meta is already
Zealot chorus
Veteran VoC
Psyker dome shield

[ionic laurel]

Not sure, i think it was Cole that said VOC isnt going to be as strong. Idk what that means, just sounded like a nerf. Gotta wait for the patch notes ig

[terse idol]

[somber axle]

time to watch Psykers get taken out by Shotgunner firing lines I guess

[tall torrent]

Cole said no big changes
Which is weird

Well we’ll find out in like 6 ish hours

[cyan verge]

maybe they just meant "because now enemies can chew through VoC toughness like butter"

[tall torrent]

Shame I’ll be asleep by then

[tall torrent]

Psyker is getting base toughness buffed

Truly a gifted class

[cyan verge]

that's good because

[tall torrent]

Buffs after buffs after buffs

[cyan verge]

what even is their base

I know it's really low

[ionic laurel]

I think i linked it earlier, but i have no idea how to interpret that, could be right. Just seems weird to say it like that if that's the case. We'll see

[cyan verge]

imagine stepping into havoc with 5 toughness

and like 10 health

[somber axle]

tbh after watching that rank 40 havoc vid maybe Psyker might need it LMFAO

they were getting torn apart a lot

[tall torrent]

Cole did say survivalist would be thought of as much more impactful and after seeing havoc modifiers I’m inclined to agree

[somber axle]

I didn't finish the vid but they sorta had to die and let the Zealot carry some segments early on

[cyan verge]

they didn't use their smite hard enough

[somber axle]

they went Trauma Staff Brain Burst Dome

[cyan verge]

lol there you go

[somber axle]

their brain did pop when things shot them so at least their ability was working

[tall torrent]

Voidblast is better for this

[cyan verge]

oh I just meant for mass CC right

[tall torrent]

For mass CC, voidblast is better

[cyan verge]

hm, is that so...

[tall torrent]

In havoc specifically, anyway

[ionic laurel]

It's just VOC will be even better than before for Havoc so saying it's not as strong when it will be picked 100% of the time now when it was already meta sounds weird but fk if i know

[cyan verge]

we'll see

[tall torrent]

In any case I already found the havoc meta for veteran

[cyan verge]

anyway they better not touch it, if they do, they have to buff the other abilities pretty hard

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[cyan verge]

well done

[somber axle]

weird thought

since Vet needs to focus on anti-elite/anti-special

[ionic laurel]

I do think veteran is going to be the worst of the four tbh even with no balance changes, with psyker being cracked tf out probably

[somber axle]

do you think Infiltrate + Low Profile will be important for diverting the melee pressure off or is that too risky for putting the added pressure on the rest of the team and/or VoC too important for team support

[cyan verge]

you have power sword

so no you just kill them

then your team picks up slack

[tall torrent]

U flat out will not have the points to afford infiltrate’s 2 point extra cost

[somber axle]

not affordable answers that

[cyan verge]

also I dare say low profile is not a good talent to take

[tall torrent]

It is a good talent to take

[somber axle]

yeah outside of like some funny builds I think Low Profile ends up just being selfish gameplay

[elder fiber]

It's good if you don't grossly misuse it or have a shitty baby dmg build

[cyan verge]

is that so, when is it useful to take

[somber axle]

it's strong for diverting aggro but it puts more pressure on your team

[elder fiber]

objectives

when you think your team can handle aggro so you kill everything that matters with impunity

[somber axle]

yeah but you can kinda get most objectives done within Infiltrate stealth (or shortly after stealth breaks)

except for like that weird train mini-game

[tall torrent]

Basically if u take infiltrate in the first place, take it

[somber axle]

holding the dot in the center of the circle forever

[cyan verge]

really? is it that useful, for getting backstabs ranged or otherwise...?

[somber axle]

it's useful for repositioning or peeling away melee pressure so you can freely go on the offensive without worrying about weaving in dodging/blocking/shoving

[tall torrent]

It basically makes most if not all enemies not target you so you can go around kill specialists as fast as u can without interruption

[somber axle]

or for objectives

[cyan verge]

hm, I guess I can see that

since yeah normally when I flank every single gunner on the line turns towards me and points and shoots at me

[somber axle]

just remember that if you're not getting the aggro someone else is and depending on your team sometimes that can make or break some pubs

[cyan verge]

so I gotta be quick

[elder fiber]

Just have good game sense with it and don't just use it as a crutch + panic button which most shitty infil vets do

[rigid schooner]

Honestly inf lasgun is painful to use. It feels like you have to write cursive with controller rumble, and you either get headshots or have to do 5 bodyshots

[atomic zephyr]

hey hold on, are the new weapons out?

cause im already seeing clips of the new weapons but i cant find them at brunt

[rigid schooner]

Playtesters are all making videos

[atomic zephyr]

ohhhhh playtesters

never mind hten

[strange oxide]

what's the best in slot combat knife on veteran?

[tall torrent]

6 if you want to spec into melee
3 if you just want a movement tool

[strange oxide]

got it, thank you

[queen fox]

Ds4

[thick needle]

Is the 2b shotgun kinda bad or

[cyan verge]

which one is that

is that the dragon's breath

cuz if so yeah it's not great, or so I am told

[thick needle]

The double barreled one

[cyan verge]

oh

no the double barrel I think is good

I used it a little bit and it was like, OK

[wind grotto]

the double barrel is the only shotgun i'd use on vet honestly

it just requires WS basically

at least I wouldn't use it without it, weird ass gun that

[thick needle]

I've been using it with that yeah but like
Failing to kill anything even at close range

[cyan verge]

it feels like a worse kickback

which is a shame

[wind grotto]

it should be able to kill a lot of shit, but it is just a worse kickback if thats what you want to compare it to

do you have man-stopper on it?

[somber adder]

Manstopper + Flechette and 3 WS stacks

[thick needle]

I've seen shotgunner walk off a crit to the face at 15m

[cyan verge]

the kickback also sometimes is a double barrel or triple barrel shotgun if you're lucky

[somber adder]

Well the weapon isn't designed for 15 meter range

It's a melee weapon with very high cleave

[open urchin]

??? Melk has nothing?

[tall torrent]

It’s made for <8m basically

[open urchin]

I'm so confused

[thick needle]

So basically just point blank exclusive

[somber adder]

They're probably preparing the servers to switch over to the new patch so some hickups here and there. I have the same

[open urchin]

sadge

[somber adder]

They also reset contracts lol

[thick needle]

Ye the server hiccuped a minute ago so Melk probably lost his datalog in the shuffle

Probably wasn't anything worth buying in there anyway lol

[open urchin]

Are they actually going to nerf the Dueling Sword btw? I heard rumors

[magic flume]

Veteran Nation, how we feeling...

[cyan verge]

they're only rumours

so don't pay attention

[magic flume]

Should we get Veteran doing a thug shaker emote?

[wooden moat]

if you do thug shaker first then maybe

[somber adder]

Hopefully

Or just move it back to Psyker only

[cyan verge]

I hope they don't nerf it

[magic flume]

I'll do it if Shark adds a thug shaker emote for all classes

[cyan verge]

they should just buff all the other melees up to a comparable level

[wooden moat]

I can blackmail them into doing so

just send me the evidence first (;

[magic flume]

Shaketh thy rump in those pantaloons for thy Emperor.

[magic flume]

Insane

[austere mica]

Probably not now but I still hope so

[wooden moat]

OF models if they were in 40K

[grand perch]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2909772325180889/8D0C85F94644624D31E43DE5EF5CD90B86EDCDF5/

[cyan verge]

can you imagine the salt if like they nerfed VoC and DS and didn't give vet a new weapon to match the other classes AND released havoc at the same time lol

they're not gonna do that

[thick needle]

Wouldn't matter to me I don't use dueling sword on Veteran

my beloved...

[cyan verge]

say goodbye to it when havoc comes around

[thick needle]

never

[cyan verge]

from what path has been saying the list of like viable veteran melee weapons in havoc is:

• power sword

[thorn lark]

Every weapon/blessing relying on specific BP is dead

[austere mica]

Rashad finally struck down from orbit

[cyan verge]

(though I guess you can still use them in aurics or whatever just not havoc)

[faint beacon]

You will play powersword

you will be forced into a sharpshooter role cause of how boring and cumbersome it is

[thick needle]

So chainsword is still around

[cyan verge]

no

no chainsword is underground

[torn gorge]

im gonna play a vanilla shovel with twinned blast smoke grenades

just you wait

[cyan verge]

good luck not being kicked from parties in the party finder

[thick needle]

I have literally never paid attention to that

[cyan verge]

well no I mean like

in havoc there's no quickmatch

it's party finder only

[thick needle]

Wait what
I have to make a party to play Havoc??

[cyan verge]

yep

yeah baby

[torn gorge]

VT2 weaves lobbies all over again

[cyan verge]

we're going full MMOcore

[thick needle]

Oh that's DOGSHIT

NOOOOOO

[thorn lark]

feels like the death of diversity tbh

[cyan verge]

pls 4.5k gearscore 2 enter

[thick needle]

DESTINY DIED FOR A GOOD FUCKING REASON

[cyan verge]

plasma gun or kick

smyker or kick

[thick needle]

Please
Stop procephizing

[torn gorge]

ye it died because bungie failed to modernise what they were offering

[somber adder]

It's insanely high level content, of course diversity will get crushed if you have to optimize

[cyan verge]

🔮 yes I see... I see an incredibly toxic community fostering... woe, so very toxic

[thorn lark]

true but that makes it less enticing

[thick needle]

This has completely ruined Christmas for me

[torn gorge]

[wind grotto]

i'll just be doing one 25+ then 50 random ones to get the outfits if those leaks were real

[torn gorge]

mode hasnt even released publicly