veteran-class

[iron cloud]

I mean 8% cleave isn't gonna hurt me

this'll do 😔

I just got it to 500 and transcendant

goodbye diamantine

[balmy flume]

Don't worry about Diamantine. Play the game often enough and you will have stockpiles of it.

[iron cloud]

Yeah I know 😔

Wonder what perks I should throw on the DS

[balmy flume]

A key trick: enjoy PUG a LOT.
Quick joining gives bonus

Bonus material rewards

[iron cloud]

yeah all I've been running is heresy pugs on quick join lol

Damnation has been miserable, not many good pugs that can finish them

[balmy flume]

Sorry to hear that, but I also get you

My Damnation PUGs are 50/50

Between wipes and winning

[cyan verge]

I have wayyyyy better success on damnation than heresy

felt like when I ran heresy randoms just failed as soon as anything got tough

like if I'm not there to instantly kill an entire wave of ragers just the entire squad instantly downed

but on damnation like

I posted this earlier, 3 people down and I even died here but we actually won the mission cuz the last guy just picked up the other two guys and continued on and everything proceeded as normal

[copper verge]

Is it a good idea to run 30% toughness regen on all my curios?

Or nah

[cyan verge]

um, on veteran no

mine aren't perfect at all right now but I have like, gunners/sprint efficiency/toughness, gunners/stamina regen/toughness, snipers/health/toughness

and I think I need more health

[copper verge]

I might use gunners and snipers resist tbh

[grand perch]

toughness regen only applies to coherency regen, which means its sucky

the curio perk, that is

[copper verge]

Ye

Alr i’ll change it

For the other two slots on all 3 curios i use combat ability regen and toughness

If i dont go damage resist i might go stamina tbh

[cyan verge]

doubling up gunners resist is a very useful thing

at least

[grand perch]

ability cooldown on curio is pretty sucky too imo, but do go ahead and try it if you want. just keep in mind thatll probably the first one you want to change to something else

[copper verge]

Really? I kinda do notice that extra 12%

[earnest bone]

its a good one if you run for example

a double stealth

[cyan verge]

it reduces I guess the downtime on voice of command by like, a little over 3 seconds, so

oh

[earnest bone]

but for VoC

[cyan verge]

yeah that would be pretty sweet

[earnest bone]

its not noticeable

[cyan verge]

it brings your downtime on VoC to like, 12s instead of 15s I think, so I mean. I guess that's okay

it could be worse

[earnest bone]

if you are a sweaty Shroud player

your VoC downtime is like 0

[cyan verge]

there's no shroud in the veteran tree...

[earnest bone]

i mean

the guy

[cyan verge]

I don't know what you are talking about

oh

[earnest bone]

that do a 360* flip headshot in any game

[cyan verge]

uh sure

anyway

yeah so infiltrate with 2 charges is I think like 60s cooldown so that would give you a cooldown of like 53s with 3x 4% cooldown reduction, so... I mean that's somewhat better I guess

[earnest bone]

it's 120 since x2

so double value

[cyan verge]

lol

that's... that's not actually how it works right, that's like a joke

I could believe darktide would have it programmed like that

[earnest bone]

i mean you get -12% on each stack

[cyan verge]

but it would be silly

what

[earnest bone]

its 16 seconds saved

[somber adder]

The cooldown doesn't run seperately for each stack though. I get where you're coming from but you could just use your ability twice and argue you get more cdr that way. Which is true.

But still, a mute point.

[earnest bone]

the cooldown starts

at 52 seconds for each stack

instead of 60

[cyan verge]

yeah if you use it twice I guess

[earnest bone]

so that's what i said

[cyan verge]

but I dunno, I guess I would be trying not to double up on uses much because ideally you want one in your back pocket for dangerous situations right

that's how I normally use it anyway

[crisp oak]

Heyo, heard that the standard shovels has more dodges than the folding shovels. Is that bs or true?

[tall torrent]

oh boy

[earnest bone]

usually i pick low profile

[tall torrent]

havoc basically screws over breakpoints for every single weapon

[cyan verge]

yay

[earnest bone]

no way

[cyan verge]

does this mean we're gonna be hit with "plasma gun or kick"

[tall torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[tall torrent]

no

plasma is like

dead

lmao

[somber adder]

Good

[cyan verge]

it just an example

[crisp oak]

Bolter dueling sword or kick

[tall torrent]

nah

[earnest bone]

Hit mass increased by 1.5x

[tall torrent]

all of those are also

dead

[crisp oak]

Lmao

[cyan verge]

wait wtf

the ranks have different difficulty

well okay

[grand perch]

wheres that info in the guide from?

[cyan verge]

uhhh

[tall torrent]

tier5 reduced ammo
ammo pickups provide 0.25x of their normal ammo value

an ammo tin normally refills 15% of reserve

[cyan verge]

so big ammo is like

[tall torrent]

an ammo tin with tier5 reduced ammo refills 3%

[cyan verge]

only 12.5% of an ammo

or something like that

alright epic

[crisp oak]

So weapon specialist+survivalist

[earnest bone]

so it's a scam version of Scab Melee except its not a Scab Melee

[crisp oak]

Or infinite ammo helbores

[tall torrent]

tier5 elites have 1.5x health

5400 health crusher

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[cyan verge]

lol

hmm well anyway

[earnest bone]

3shot Dsword yeahbabe

[white minnow]

the 5000 hp crusher is reaaaaaaaal

[tall torrent]

7200hp bulwark

[tall torrent]

nah

[earnest bone]

fck

[tall torrent]

takes like

4~5

lol

[supple stag]

Mmm kraks

[earnest bone]

2 bulwarks = mini-monstrocity

[crisp oak]

By the way, are the missions like a holdout arena

Or just redome more difficult old missions

[tall torrent]

no, full length missions

[crisp oak]

Yikes

[tall torrent]

the only thing I do not like

is the massively increased enemy health pool

[earnest bone]

add 40% damage reduction

on top of

7200 health

[tall torrent]

yep

[tall torrent]

not 40%, it's 50%

[crisp oak]

So takes like 2 kraks to kill a crusher now

[tall torrent]

40% from havoc40
10% base

[grand perch]

is any of this confirmed? i dont want to blindly trust whats in that guide

[tall torrent]

they have gameplay videos of the new mission

it's real

[earnest bone]

this looks way to clean

its not an 1 hour work

its a suffering to make a steam guide

so this guy is a tester

he had 1200+ hours and 4 guides

[grand perch]

might be something to it then

[earnest bone]

he also has

7300 hours

in VT2

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-cod-call-of-duty-call-of-du-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-ii-simon-ghost-riley-gif-27104686

[somber adder]

What a specimen

[earnest bone]

this means

all weapons that rely on breakpoints can go F themselves

Tax time

[grand perch]

as in tac axe?

[white minnow]

on the other hand, higher TTK usually means that the importance of breakpoints is slightly less

[earnest bone]

at least on zealot

[somber adder]

No
https://youtu.be/OzeG2oH-j1E?si=eKdkQS_uQl43bUxJ

[earnest bone]

[grand perch]

AH SHIT ITS THE FEDS

[somber adder]

Tacaxe stonks going UUUUUUUP babyyyy

[earnest bone]

its VT2 Cataclysm all over again

[crisp oak]

Tbh the movement speed buffs seem scarier, cant kite the horde anymore

[earnest bone]

Moebian 21 is 5.16

what is the default speed

[earnest bone]

add toxic gas buffs

on top of those buffs

its racing time

[somber adder]

There's a reduced vent speed negative modifier

[crisp oak]

The cranial corruption buff boosts movement speed

[somber adder]

FS just said FUCK THE PLASMA

[white minnow]

that's probably for psyker

[somber adder]

Powermove

[earnest bone]

plasma nerf?

[tall torrent]

they straight up fucked breakpoints on every weapon

[earnest bone]

too

[cyan verge]

... is this reall necessary

[serene bough]

damn

[tall torrent]

not just that

[white minnow]

yeah, that seems fine
it's inevitable with hp buffs

[tall torrent]

that's one of many examples

[serene bough]

now those are some chunky buffs/debuffs

[tall torrent]

combat axe

dead

[somber adder]

Good

[tall torrent]

boltgun dead

[somber adder]

Good

[earnest bone]

time for high cleave weapons

[supple stag]

Time for standard issue shovel then

[somber adder]

Gimme a meta shakeup

[white minnow]

breakpoints are still gonna apply to damnation no? these changes are only for havoc

[tall torrent]

like every melee outside of power sword is dead lol

[hollow ibex]

so are we going to have to do bleed knife with uncanny or some shit now lol

[somber adder]

Yea

[hollow ibex]

oh wait why PS lol

[tall torrent]

yea havoc only

but havoc is pretty much gonna be

power sword + vraks 5 I think

not much else

[crisp oak]

But you keep schmoovement with knife and dueling sword

[cyan verge]

power sword's time to shine

[tall torrent]

does enough damage to activate BM on horde

[supple stag]

Mmm power sword

[hollow ibex]

hmm ic

[tall torrent]

crusher takes 4~5 hits to kill with duelling sword in havoc fyi

[grand perch]

and by activate you mean have enough cleave to hit more than 1?

[tall torrent]

has enough damage to use BM to spread damage to boost horde clear

[earnest bone]

you guys

wanted

old ranged enemies back

here

[crisp oak]

Oh god

[serene bough]

juicy

[tall torrent]

also

[crisp oak]

Scab gunners can eat my left nut

[tall torrent]

scab rager has carapace torso armor now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[earnest bone]

what's this?

[cyan verge]

lol

[earnest bone]

supression?

[tall torrent]

no clue

[serene bough]

thats probably some currency tied to the mode

[earnest bone]

probably

[cyan verge]

hm...

[serene bough]

or a gague which increases the amount of modifiers you get per level

[crisp oak]

Ill be doing up to 20 difficulty like the baby I am

[tall torrent]

I really think it's just gonna be power sword spam for veteran, not much else in terms of melee variety

[earnest bone]

+6 specials

10 trappers inc

[cyan verge]

I could do up to 30 I think

[thin stone]

Damn

Fuck

[crisp oak]

+3 monsters

[earnest bone]

anyone packed thammer zealot

also thammer

gonna be shit

[tall torrent]

3.2x mass for horde

it's just asking u to use BM power sword

[crisp oak]

Tbh thammer shroud might shine here

[tall torrent]

I'm sorry

[tall torrent]

no

[thin stone]

Shovel?

[tall torrent]

[grand perch]

well people were saying the game was too easy

[thin stone]

What about Rashad

[tall torrent]

zealot meta above havoc30 is book

[earnest bone]

with hit mass increase

shovel gonna suffer

[tall torrent]

taken into back alley and stabbed 28 times

[thin stone]

Oof why

What happened

[cyan verge]

havoc

[earnest bone]

double book + voc + smuker?

[cyan verge]

that's what happened

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

massive enemy health increase in havoc

[tall torrent]

nah

book + voc

hard tank it

[thin stone]

Alright, power sword it is

[thin stone]

Book?

[grand perch]

not a fan of increasing difficulty by making enemies just uber tanky, hope this doesnt mean the mode is going to be boring AF

[tall torrent]

I'm not sure if I even want to account for havoc builds in my guide now

[somber adder]

Chorus Zealot

[crisp oak]

Zealot book

[sharp epoch]

its just a game mode tho

[serene bough]

i like it

[cyan verge]

the modifiers sound like they're gonna be a lot but idk how bad it's gonna be in practice

[supple stag]

I'll just get the armor and leave havoc to rot

[serene bough]

just gotta see how the meta evolves

[supple stag]

[cyan verge]

and, I would not be surprised if it gets heavily nerfed six months after release or something like that

[thin stone]

Good call

[crisp oak]

Likely this unless they do some other currencies

Ie melk 2

[thin stone]

Dukebux

[crisp oak]

So what weapon on zealot.... does the crusher still work?

[earnest bone]

probably later

[stuck gorge]

imagine melk coins now allow you to by retries on havoc difficulties

[earnest bone]

but you gonna be spammed with that either way

in comments

[thin stone]

@tall torrent what weapon on zealot then?

[serene bough]

zealot probably wants flamer

[tall torrent]

relic blade + chorus + flamer spam

[thin stone]

So Chorus zealot might finally be viable?

[somber adder]

taxe for cdr sounds funny

[earnest bone]

it is viable

[cyan verge]

look at this this way: to make havoc guide you only need to address like 5 weapons! then you can say everything else: do not bring

[tall torrent]

more like havoc meta

[serene bough]

it'll help to at least soften hordes

[thin stone]

What about taxe, or hammer or rashad

[crisp oak]

Relic blade is that good?

[tall torrent]

all dead

[earnest bone]

its just that this will be same as Cata VT2 where survivability > damage

[cyan verge]

problem with chorus I see imo is a lot of players don't actually know what it does or how to play around it so when I was just honestly using it for the penance I'd walk on top of someone who needs picking up and no one would do it, so it'd run out with someone on the ground and it's like welp you had 10 seconds to revive them but I guess nvm

[tall torrent]

tac axe doesn't do nearly enough damage to activate BM
rashad doesn't activate BM unless they give it dmg buff with the update (prob not happening)
hammer already doesn't fight elites waves well and havoc is high mass high spawn spam

[dreamy lantern]

i believe its the enemy spawners "points" it can spend on events n such

[earnest bone]

maybe its time for Decimator + headtaker tax to shine

[tall torrent]

nah

it's just power sword

[earnest bone]

ouch

[cyan verge]

I was thinking it could be something like that right, which would mean you get nearly 2x the horde spawnrate which, would maaaybe make players have to rush a little more but idk I guess we'll see

[elder fiber]

I love weaves I love weaves I love weaves

[tall torrent]

your headtaker + decimator tac axe can hit 2 poxwalkers and that's it

[thin stone]

And what primary weapon on veteran?

[tall torrent]

good luck with horde clear buddy

[elder fiber]

everybody loves weaves which was famously well received

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotic-eyes-democratic-voter-americans-gif-20219721

[tall torrent]

prob vraks 5 autogun
considering the health breakpoint fucks every gun that builds for 1 taps

[cyan verge]

behold your future

[elder fiber]

I actually still like ciag but

[thin stone]

Good thing I already like it

[elder fiber]

lol lmao

[earnest bone]

survivalist gonna be mandatory then

[thin stone]

What about Recon Lasgun?

[dreamy lantern]

i generally found we played a bit slower into havok high end

[tall torrent]

it will be

[candid agate]

its already mandatory /s

[thin stone]

@tall torrent

Will it also be dead?

[supple stag]

For regular play? No

[tall torrent]

doesn't kill specialists fast enough even rn, doubt that'll change with the update

[supple stag]

Unless you magdump every single poxwalker

[earnest bone]

/s = sarcasm

[candid agate]

wouldnt that mean more spawns? or were there just so many enemies you had to slow down the advance

[thin stone]

So it's all plasma gun and vraks autogun

[cyan verge]

how about the braced autogun graia mk IV, it has more damage and more bullets than the vraks V

[tall torrent]

no plasma

[thin stone]

Why?

[tall torrent]

it's just infantry autogun

[candid agate]

dont forget boltgun, thats also quite good

[tall torrent]

plasma wants breakpoints
havoc fucks breakpoints and drastically reduces your ammo pickups' value

[dreamy lantern]

i ran recon up to 40 without survivalist or stormtrooper. Def got to watch your ammo a bit more, but its useable

[thin stone]

Bruh

[tall torrent]

dead, not enough ammo

[cyan verge]

wow

[candid agate]

wait i actually have to conserve my ammo now?

[thin stone]

See this @tall torrent

[cyan verge]

do you not already

[thin stone]

I guess the recon lasgun will be usable

[candid agate]

also weapons being unusable because of ammo pick ups sound incredibly unfun and boring

[earnest bone]

so i can still be a recon enthusiast

[tall torrent]

one ammo tin normally is 15% reserve
one ammo tin in havoc with max reduced ammo is 3.75% reserve

[cyan verge]

well we'll see how it goes...

[candid agate]

that is so stupid

[cyan verge]

after seeing the mods from earlier I feel a bit more optimistic about it now

[thin stone]

Ngl havoc sounds kinda stupid

[tall torrent]

u get 3.75 shots back for ur boltgun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[cyan verge]

I thought it'd be like 1-40, all damnation difficulty or something

[white minnow]

i guess to ease people into havoc

[cyan verge]

it means that getting like havoc 20 is probably not going to be too difficult

[candid agate]

should be like 5%-10% not 3.75%

[cyan verge]

yeah if you were one of those players who were like "ammo is completely free and infinite in darktide" then you're about to get a rude awakening tbh

[white minnow]

hopefully we can skip ahead though
seems like it'll take quite a few runs to get to difficult stuff

[serene bough]

idk considering player power is pretty high rn we'll just have to wait and see how the meta evolves

[white minnow]

and i'm all for it god bless

[cyan verge]

yeah that is my only concern, if they end up gating me on progression I'm gonna be mad

[white minnow]

current ammo reduction is probably a bit much

[candid agate]

nah i do try to conserve my ammo but most of the malestroms i play force my hand tbh

[white minnow]

since this game isn't one where melee is strictly worse

[earnest bone]

gunlugger ogryn ded after reading that

[dreamy lantern]

ye, one of the things idk if the guide mentions is its less ammo per pack but theres more ammo pickups in a map so you gotta scrounge around a bit more. you DEFINETLY feel the reduction tho

[earnest bone]

[pseudo fiber]

Fellow Vet's.

I'm jealous of the new weapons again

[cyan verge]

makes sense since like already on damnation you find tons and tons of ammo everywhere but you know, once in a while you find a crate that isn't a 'big ammo'... I guess this'll fix that!!!

[candid agate]

btw @dreamy lantern which recon lasgun mark where you using in havoc?

[cyan verge]

nothing but big ammo as far as as the eye can see

[tall torrent]

don't be, havoc is gonna be power sword + vraks 5 + VoC spam forever ever

[umbral parrot]

Wooooh, people have to get good in melee now~!

Wait, Havoc is out?

[dreamy lantern]

ye it makes ammo an actual resource

[tall torrent]

tmr

[pseudo fiber]

Eh I'm not always gonna be playing havoc tbf

[earnest bone]

did you tried something else aside from Psword like Chainsword 4 (32 cleave on heavy with SS/Rampage) or Mercy killer + Uncanny + Serrated mk6 knife

[umbral parrot]

Where's the info coming from?

[dreamy lantern]

i forget their names now, tried all 3 but depended on the modifiers honestly

[tall torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[cyan verge]

what I don't understand is why it isn't out yet... it's already the 3rd

[earnest bone]

[candid agate]

your timezone is probably different from fatsharks

[umbral parrot]

Must be nice to live in the future

[tall torrent]

good news: pretty much everything outside of havoc is good
bad news: havoc specifically fucks every single one of your builds

[umbral parrot]

Good

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/were-back-we-are-back-im-back-bttfd-back-to-the-future-gif-21937650

[umbral parrot]

Get good literally

[dreamy lantern]

dude i was running an executioner vet with devil claw for one of my +35 clears its def not easy to do but you can pretty much get away with most weapons. i didn't use axe tho so idk how BM axes are doing

[tall torrent]

did they change axes' dmg profile or cleave

cuz if not then axes are dead and buried under

[umbral parrot]

I'm telling you, we have to Q up together. If we can duo, we will easily stomp this.

[tall torrent]

I'm not gonna be grinding until like after 17th

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea? Darn

[candid agate]

right so in preparation for havoc what should i change with this build? weapons are recon lasgun and knife

[earnest bone]

Path of Exile 2 is on Dec, 6

so i got like 3 days at best

[dreamy lantern]

modifier dependant tho, they get interesting when stacked with the havok buffs

[dreamy lantern]

don't think so

[earnest bone]

is there just one armor set or there a few? aka recolors (from havoc)

since someone linked different color i think

[tall torrent]

ok they're dead

[dreamy lantern]

just the one they showed i'd assume

[earnest bone]

kay

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

sunder power sword might be better than BM power sword specifically for havoc

43 cleave just seems
a lot more useful than BM which prob won't even activate vs bruisers lol

[earnest bone]

the worst part still would be to play initial 30 matches

[cyan verge]

what if like everything remains as viable as it is now it just means you have to progress really slowly

[earnest bone]

to reach havoc 1 to 30

[tall torrent]

I'm ok with everything havoc besides the enemy health increase tbh

[earnest bone]

unless you can skip

[tall torrent]

I think everything else is ok

[umbral parrot]

Looks fun.

[cyan verge]

I doubt they'll let you skip...

but I think they've been vague on that

[earnest bone]

They do, but

not day one

[umbral parrot]

Reading it atm. Getting me nervous

[earnest bone]

from what i read

[cyan verge]

they said like "if you do a higher tier thingy than your tier you still progress!" or something

[earnest bone]

since in order to skip you need someone who's already there high

[cyan verge]

but they didn't answer if that means you can jump from like havoc 1 to 33

[dreamy lantern]

21 is damnation auric (slightly tougher) so its not too bad, you can skip the first 10 by doing an auric maelstrom

[cyan verge]

is that so...

that's nice

[earnest bone]

that's at least something

[somber adder]

Only 3veg maelstroms after the patch

[cyan verge]

what actually are the easiest maelstroms btw

[hidden torrent]

Most of them

Only a few Maelstroms are honestly harder than Auric Hi-Shock 5

[tall torrent]

C-I-VI

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[hidden torrent]

Bros counting in roman

[cyan verge]

melee, specials, scarce ammo? that doesn't sound too bad... I guess that's like a lot of ragers and mutants?

[tall torrent]

Scab faction melee only no ammo

[cyan verge]

oh

yeah I'd rather deal with scabs than dregs

[tall torrent]

Dreg rager nerfed (atk speed)

Scab rager buffed (torso carapace armor)

[cyan verge]

... oh is that gonna be global or just in havoc

[tall torrent]

Global

[cyan verge]

wow

[tall torrent]

Havoc has a 2x melee enemy attack speed bonus

So the atk speed nerf actually doesn’t matter

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[cyan verge]

lol

[earnest bone]

the dog + mutant one

[cyan verge]

yeah I was just thinking of going for this since I think I could manage it if it works the way it sounds it works

[earnest bone]

(and nothing else)

[cyan verge]

because if it just counts dying then. couldn't you just like alt+F4 when you go down

[earnest bone]

you can

until the next patch

[pseudo fiber]

Just avoid 3 veg if it appears

do not do it going for ASS

[dreamy lantern]

the attack speed being more consistent across enemies makes it feel less ass

[cyan verge]

huh, what changes next patch

[earnest bone]

wat

what heresy is this

[dreamy lantern]

alt + f4 on going down counts as a death, if u reconnect ur hog tied

[cyan verge]

oof

[tall torrent]

It’s a good change

[grand perch]

aim for the head anyway

[copper verge]

i finally got auric title woo

completionist moment

somehow that felt easier than the sm2 lethal helmet

or at least faster

[umbral parrot]

Remove everyone's A.S.S.

[copper verge]

i got the auric storm survivor in a day, sm2 took me like 3 days since the missions are so long

[umbral parrot]

Start again, legit

[earnest bone]

Havoc Storm Survivor
Complete five 40 Havocs without dying

[dreamy lantern]

real

[umbral parrot]

I worked my butt off for that

[grand perch]

i did mine legit 😦

[umbral parrot]

Lol

Same

[earnest bone]

i did mine legit and helped some people i know to get it non-legit way (they alt-f4 a lot)

[gritty mural]

the acronym is accurate to the current state of the title holders on Auric storm survivors

[copper verge]

i only had to cheese auric storm once because my entire team left at once, as in ALL 3 PLAYERS turned into bots when i looked away and they all got downed

[earnest bone]

[copper verge]

but that was just, with 1 stack of auric

the rest i did legit

:D

love veteran power sword so much fr

[serene bough]

but i dont want to lose my ass

[pseudo fiber]

Kubrick staring at the vet power sword after seeing the relic blade

[somber adder]

Surrender your buttocks

[cyan verge]

okay well

[cyan verge]

I guess I am doing nothing but auric maelstrom until I get this thing or pass out

[dreamy lantern]

lotta people gonna be playing maelstroms tomorrow

[serene bough]

i really should try and get untouchable operative 2 one of these days

[copper verge]

real

[cyan verge]

if I got 24 hours to do it in a """completely legit way""" I guess I gotta get it done asap

[somber adder]

More like 13 hours

[somber axle]

Resetting Auric Storm Survivor and Auric Exemplar would be hilarious and make so many people mad and I am 100% in favour of it

[earnest bone]

well, they aren't doing that for sure

[tame lodge]

The backlash is going to suck
Oh well
For the greater good

I guess

[copper verge]

rewatching havoc trailer rn and lmao the captions are so over the top i love it

[somber adder]

Just make another title that is just slightly different with the exact same requirements

[tall torrent]

There’s a more insane title

[somber adder]

We missed subtitle guy

[cyan verge]

oh damn

[copper verge]

lord in heaven

[cyan verge]

well even so idc even about the title I just want the points

[somber adder]

Sure, but that one doesn't "disqualify" all the alt f4 ASSers :p

[somber axle]

If it got reset after the update makes it so you lose progress if you disconnect from a match and do not reconnect (plus no more cheese by disconnecting right before/during/after going down because you will spawn in with the same HP you left with) it would mean people with the Auric titles after reset would actually mean something other than rolling eyes because so many cheesed

[copper verge]

4x veteran voc spam can do it lol probably

[tall torrent]

It’ll just be the new thing to chase

[tall torrent]

Veteran + zealot spam

[copper verge]

absolutely

2x vet 2x zealot

[cyan verge]

true if they add a new chase title it'll kinda mean that ASS isn't gonna mean anything

[copper verge]

one horde clear, one dueling sword

[somber axle]

Insane title

[copper verge]

ASS is just training for insane

[gritty mural]

ASS hasn't meant anything for a bit lol

[copper verge]

im on my anime arc for that shit

ASS is just nice tbh i like it for the completionist type thing rather than like, the actual flex

[somber axle]

I like using Cyber Falcon (Elysian outfit), Explorator (Moebian Recon), Shift Leader Primus (Enforcer)

Sometimes Ring Leader

Match the title to the outfit

[copper verge]

tbf imo Auric Storm Survivor sounds cooler than The Insane mayhaps just copium lmao

should have named it something cooler lore wise imo

[cyan verge]

it surprises me honestly that the game has like

8 titles

and 6 of them are just how far you are in penances lol

[copper verge]

yeah lol its kinda wack

[cyan verge]

normally if you have a title system there's like 800 titles for just every little random thing

[copper verge]

titles should be earned

yes

[cyan verge]

like "keeper of the torch" - kill 100 dudes with fire damage

or something

[grand perch]

"Cadia Stands" which you get by having cutthroat voice and dying lots of times in a mission

the genius is all cadia fanbois would want it but have to humiliate themselves to get it

[cyan verge]

lol

isn't cadia destroyed now...

I guess that in itself could make them even more fanatical

cuz now it's like "yeah... I was there... cadia... now I am going to brood in this corner..."

[copper verge]

Depending on like, how Havoc is implemented right

Couldn’t you just be lucky and be spawned most of the way thru and have no one be downed to get the Insane title?

[cyan verge]

no

because

no doubt like every other penance where it requires you to do a thing like that

you have to be there from game start

which means if you want progress and join mid-mission you get nothing sorry

actually that could represent something of a problem

[copper verge]

I just finished an auric (got my ASS today lol), my 5th mission I was halfway thru, spawned in, and still got my penance

[cyan verge]

no way

that's absurd

[copper verge]

I swear

[cyan verge]

it should not work that way LOL

[copper verge]

Like

On the bible

Lmfao

It was the one in the rotation with the cryonic rods i forgot the name

[cyan verge]

power... something

power... circuit? power relay?

[copper verge]

God carrying those stupid power cells suck without an ogryn cause as a normal heigh human you cant throw them up

Its something relay idk

I spawned in the upper tunnels and hallways

[cyan verge]

that's really silly though because this right, I did this, and, you do not get credit on this one if you join mid-way

[copper verge]

Like 10 mins or so right before the control room where all the decoders are

Ah

Strange

Also that mission was easy asf because med stimms kept spawning like every 10 feet 💀

[somber axle]

No because there's no quickplay matchmaking. You have to form up your own group using the group finder, coordinate with people over discord or with friends

[copper verge]

Ohh

Thats crazy

Makes it even more difficult

[cyan verge]

oh yeah true

[somber axle]

It's like WoW Mythic+

[cyan verge]

that's the pox gas modifier WHICH imo makes the game easier

[copper verge]

Ill prob just hop in vc here sometime cause i love playing with my friends, but none of them are maxed out atm 😭

pox gas is so easy

Pox gas + extra weakened monstrosities

Plasma gun vet eating GOOD

[somber axle]

They did clarify that someone could technically get carried into a high rank Havoc even if their rank is very low but it would depend on the team purposely choosing to take them

But like

People can see the rank so

[cyan verge]

pox gas means, the game drops med stims EVERYWHERE, and your punishment for having to 'endure' this is... gas sometimes spawns in some areas that always have safe spots anyway and it encourages you to move slowly and progress carefully so you have an even better chance of winning

oh no!?!?!?!?

[copper verge]

hardest imo from my experience are dog rounds without a smite psyker on tight maps like gloriana, hab dreyko, logistratum at the beginning

Oops! All corruption downs

Headass

[serene bough]

looking forward to havoc

[cyan verge]

oof

[serene bough]

is gonna be fun

[somber axle]

Like if four people have havoc rank 4, 7, 11 and 18, then if they complete the 18 they all get bumped up equivalent to completing the 18 rather than everyone getting +1 rank

[cyan verge]

and on top of all this even if you are in the pox gas I think if you just literally stand there you're like only taking maybe your toughness bar in damage, and if you are a vet with VoC

then you just go "lol" and press VoC

and then the pox gas doesn't even hurt you

[stuck gorge]

that one rank 40 person carrying havoc rank 1s

[earnest bone]

but you'l need to wait for 1 week to update? i think it said that

or thats something else

[somber axle]

Yeah I think so

[pseudo fiber]

for the rewards I believe

[stuck gorge]

1 week is when rewards and the AFK timer reset

as in you rank down if you dont do a havoc mission

[somber axle]

They'd have to be VERY brave and willing to basically play solo LMFAO

[cyan verge]

actually makes me wonder if we'll have situations then where people do genuinely go like "lvl 40 havoc anyone need a carry"

[stuck gorge]

mister E would probably do it lmao

[cyan verge]

because if you are doing havocs you are probably on the level of being a regular auric clearer, right

it's not like you personally get nerfed stepping in there

so as long as everyone plays well you still probably have a decent chance of winning

[candid agate]

would probably be finally a challange for mr unc

[somber axle]

Maybe in like a few weeks once the top players max out and play it on repeat enough to get bored and want to challenge themselves with a team handicap? Idk LOL

[regal smelt]

You definitely lose your streak if you mid join into a team with only bots left as you spawn next to a cliff with a dog immediently pouncing you and a burster approaching

[cyan verge]

yeah...

[copper verge]

This was my logic no?

Like

Does being a higher havoc level have any benefit to your gear or stats

cause if not

[cyan verge]

I don't think it does

[somber axle]

Afaik no

[cyan verge]

so yeah it's meant to be beatable as we are now

[somber axle]

Purely cosmetic rewards

[cyan verge]

which means...

[copper verge]

My havoc level 1 ass is hopping in some random vc and locking the fuck in

[cyan verge]

we can beat it as we are now

[copper verge]

lmao

[somber axle]

And for the fun of the challenge with new content

[copper verge]

Yeah

[cyan verge]

that was a tautology but you get my point

[copper verge]

I just have to max out my new toughness and hp curios, and turn my power sword from 450 into 500

And then ez

If dueling sword doesnt get nerfed im using zealot ds + flamethrower

Or eviscerator revolver/bolt pistol idk

[cyan verge]

forgive me master, I need to go all out just this once... powers up power sword

[copper verge]

Real

Gotta pray to the god-emperor to finish just this one game

[cyan verge]

I don't think DS will be nerfed but from what that guy was saying earlier it is going to be somewhat less effective cuz it'll kill slower and it'll be effectively pointless against hordes I think

[copper verge]

It sucks against hordes already tbf its just that zealot can horde clear with it very well bc of fotf

[regal smelt]

[copper verge]

Using it on psyker is fine bc psyker has smite and inferno for cc

[earnest bone]

WTS*

[leaden skiff]

Picking up my power sword like an old friend.

[tall torrent]

I’ll put it this way

With tier5 being 3.2x horde mass, a single poxwalker (1.25 normally) has 4 mass

[cyan verge]

yah

[tall torrent]

Instead of your duelling sword hitting 4 poxwalkers per swing (rn)

You’ll hit 2 per swing

[cyan verge]

it hits even that many?

feels like it hits one per swing

[cyan verge]

well compared to the usual crap I run

[bleak cradle]

Infinite cleave trauma ftw. I hope

[tall torrent]

Nah

Zealot & veteran meta sorry

[cyan verge]

no one appears to be playing maelstroms in my timezone right now, it's over

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[bleak cradle]

Noooooo

[cyan verge]

the dream is dead

[earnest bone]

savage sweep wrath chainsword 4 /s

[tall torrent]

Have fun fighting ragers at 2x atk speed buddy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[somber axle]

Can't wait for the shooters firing more often modifier

[cyan verge]

actually how about shield ogryn is that gonna be useful

[earnest bone]

i wonder if this is close to what was

pre-nerfed gunners

[somber axle]

I saw it in the trailer and it brought back the good memories of that brief period during Gloriana's release where they were somewhat dangerous LOL

[cyan verge]

I guess ogryn is gonna get shot to bits so it won't be doing too well

[tall torrent]

Prob yea
But Karsolas prob still the meta

[serene bough]

just wait until you meet a nurgle blessed reaper with that firing speed bonus

[cyan verge]

true karsolas owns

[tall torrent]

Ogryn meta into havoc basically didn’t change

Veteran’s options got greatly reduced

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-gif-17862670153536184507

[elder fiber]

idk if shield isn't killing shit with 1 hit it isn't proccing bromentum

[tame lodge]

We already have the numbers ?
Hoo boy

[earnest bone]

gunluggers will not be able to play

with 0.25 ammo

[tall torrent]

That’s a good thing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[cyan verge]

is this that '3veg' that guy was talkin about earlier...

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

No

3veg is I-II-V-E-G

[cyan verge]

oh really

[tall torrent]

It’s technically 125eg

[earnest bone]

but its still gloriana

[cyan verge]

the full thing

[earnest bone]

randoms hates gloriana

[tall torrent]

But people write it as 3veg for some reason

C-I-VI is technically c16

[serene bough]

rolls off the tongue better i guess

[leaden skiff]

What are the vet options since the reduction. Is my bolter still good 👀

[tame lodge]

I'm never remembering DIVA

[tall torrent]

What reduction

[tame lodge]

Divifixig or something

[tall torrent]

Havoc?

[leaden skiff]

Yee

[cyan verge]

3veg is like, peas, carrots, potatoes. I guess?

[tame lodge]

Like G means enhanced blitz

F means 20% CDR (?)

[tall torrent]

Dead

[leaden skiff]

Bolter dead again? Lol welp

[tall torrent]

Most weapons are dead in havoc

[somber axle]

Bistol Grenadier time

[tall torrent]

Also dead

No breakpoints

[leaden skiff]

What's not dead

[tall torrent]

Spend 2x as much ammo as rn

[tall torrent]

Power sword
Vraks 5 infantry autogun

[bleak cradle]

Anyone know of a good video out for a havoc play through?

[tall torrent]

That’s like it

Recon I guess

[somber axle]

Do the grenades not do enough with the modifiers

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/mRmbMDAbeQk?si=PwIxkC03q0p13xsF

[bleak cradle]

I see trauma in title

[earnest bone]

grenade wont kill much i guess

with those mods

15k hp bulwark

ffs

7200 hp + 50% damage reduction + whatever there on top of that

[leaden skiff]

That...sucks.

[somber axle]

Time to lean into Recon and pray

[tall torrent]

Yea, that’s prob the best option for psyker

Look at the first elite spawn

[earnest bone]

1 hour

ouch

[narrow frost]

trauma brittleness

op

with bubble

then the zealot is the anti boss

[earnest bone]

looks like

unplayable with randoms

[tall torrent]

There’s no quick play

[bleak cradle]

Ya. I was going to try rending to see if it would have a purpose in havoc over blaze build

[earnest bone]

pub parties is technically

quickplay

" "

[tall torrent]

Idk I think havoc limits weapon choices way too much

Not a fan

[wind grotto]

yeah just read the steamguide thing linked above and yeah this sure is going to be fucked

[earnest bone]

also

DSword + Flamer

but probably cuz psyker do all the job

[elder fiber]

flamer will depend on ammo efficiency

[tall torrent]

Yea it really leans into personalized roles

[wind grotto]

I might fuck around with the helbore in havoc

at least if one rolls the ammo pickup thing

[elder fiber]

idk if havoc really ends up being like, fucking psword vet or chorus zealot b/c chastise can't kill shit

or psykers jorking off even longer on staves I think I'm good lol

[wind grotto]

I think it's just going to make a lot of the melee weapons people like feel like shit if they don't have brutal momentum

[stuck gorge]

will venting speed affect passive or active venting i wonder

or both

[wind grotto]

and a lot of pubbies just not understanding the ammo modifier if it rolls that or etc

[earnest bone]

no

look at the first spawn

it disables like 90% ranged options in the game

or more like 95%

[elder fiber]

bromentum will be worse b/c it won't reach one taps

[earnest bone]

unless Hellbore get like 100 cleave

[wind grotto]

oh I didn't watch the video just reading the steam guide thing for the numbers

[earnest bone]

yeah

watch the video

first 1 minute

it will give you an idea what Havoc really is

[wind grotto]

lmao

yeah okay

just skipped to contact

[earnest bone]

[wind grotto]

yeah that sure is going to be like hope you have a friend who likes psyker lockout on 40 huh

[earnest bone]

first spawn comes at 0:52

yeah

Trauma psyker value

[wind grotto]

I guess the ammo thing isn't guaranteed and a flamer zealot or whatever or etc etc would be fine

[stuck gorge]

4 smitekyers fr fr

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher Opportunist gaming

[tall torrent]

No, it’s going to make everything feel bad besides power sword

Combat axe won’t hit breakpoints to activate brutal momentum on bruisers

[wind grotto]

oh yeah huh

can't wait for weave 2.0

[tall torrent]

Actually

Achlys combat axe with H1 might?

But

Rashad & Antax won’t

[wind grotto]

where I guess i'll get my games in early to get the jinroh vet armor and uh

[tame lodge]

Decimator Headtaker time ?

[wind grotto]

never touch it again

[tall torrent]

Nah

[elder fiber]

what tier is the armor on

[tall torrent]

Achlys axe I think can hit bruiser 1 tap for BM with H1

[tame lodge]

[pseudo fiber]

the armour isn't on tiers

[earnest bone]

with 3.25 hitmass increase

no

i suggested that one too

[wise fossil]

Anything important I'm missing for the fast firing Helbore?

[earnest bone]

but this makes it nonviable

[stuck gorge]

its complete 50 missions, reach rank 25, and help 50 players complete their assignment for each piece

[tame lodge]

I assume enemies are getting more mass, is that it?

[tall torrent]

Horde enemies have 3.2x mass

[copper verge]

Also, idk if its mandela effect, but I swear trench fighter drill back then was like, a 50% increase in atk speed instead of 10% lol

[tall torrent]

Poxwalkers go from 1.25 to 4 mass

[tame lodge]

I haven't caught up to the numbers yet

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[stuck gorge]

no way in hell that would be a permanent 50% increase

[copper verge]

Mass means harder to stagger right?

[tame lodge]

That's peak

[stuck gorge]

mass affects cleave

[tall torrent]

Nah

[stuck gorge]

more mass = less cleave

[tall torrent]

No, it’s how much u can cleave

[copper verge]

Ah

I assume power sword would still be good bc charging it gives it max cleave right?

[tall torrent]

I might actually

Cope with achlys combat axe

No joke

[earnest bone]

there's like 50% damage reduction buff for enemies, bulwark 7200 HP crushers 5800
berserks + 100% attack speed
hordes 325% hitmass increase

there's a fck lot of things

[wind grotto]

power sword will be like one of the few melee options that can actually function and kill a horde still yes

[earnest bone]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

can we pin this

[tall torrent]

Crusher is 5400

[tame lodge]

That sounds fun

[earnest bone]

yeah

[tame lodge]

[copper verge]

Bruhh

[tall torrent]

I think

I might cook with achlys axe?

Genuinely

[copper verge]

Wait the mods affect ranged weapons?

No running plasma? Lol

[earnest bone]

seeing how dangerous ragers are

[tall torrent]

Plasma is basically dead

[earnest bone]

its dclaw or dsword

[tall torrent]

Nah

[copper verge]

Wait howcome

[tame lodge]

Hold up let him cook

[tall torrent]

With that elite spawn rate, twinned blast + demo team is gonna go crazy

[tall torrent]

-75% ammo gained from ammo pickups at tier5 hidden modifiers

[grand perch]

lasgun copium stonks are going up

[tall torrent]

I was considering infantry lasguns too exclusively for dealing with shooters & specialists

[grand perch]

you cant kill all those armored spawns but at least you wont run out of ammo

[wise fossil]

Wait, Havoc is all duelling swords?

[tall torrent]

Tier5 modifier gives specialists & elites 50% more health

[wise fossil]

💀

[tame lodge]

That does sound like a grenadier melee heavy vet since Bistol will suffer a little
Can we even afford that?

[tall torrent]

That’s 2100 health flamer

[narrow frost]

correct

thats for 30+ though

[tall torrent]

Which coincidentally is 3HS for infantry lasgun VII

[narrow frost]

need the most op weapon for the hardest difficulty

[elder fiber]

cool maybe I'll get the pants if that much psword doesn't put me in a catatonic state then I'll wait for complaints to get it nerfed before farming the rest

[copper verge]

Honestly, i played auric with the missions where you had zero ammo pickup with plasma + scavenger and i did fine, I just spammed psword most of the time

[grand perch]

so youre saying they might get a bump in usability? id be all for it

[copper verge]

I might redo that build tho to lean more into melee tbh idk

[tall torrent]

I really think it’s just the health change being wack

Everything else is like, tolerable

[elder fiber]

idk playing vt2 during the halloween events where shit had laughably high hitmass got pretty old too

[copper verge]

Would power sword still be viable in havoc at least

[wise fossil]

If my quick play allies are any indication, everyone needs it for generic Auric too 💀

[tall torrent]

Yes but that’s with current damnation scaling
Havoc has +health on enemies so plasma loses like every single one of its breakpoints

[copper verge]

Ohh

Yeah

Thats fair

Melee vet time

[earnest bone]

oh

[copper verge]

melee vet power sword build hmm, where can i find

[earnest bone]

theres a Havoc Storm Survivor title

Havoc Forged

[tall torrent]

That’s prob the best option

[elder fiber]

and if it's really going to be "pick some boring bullshit you haven't been using for a year for good reason or you're inting" then idc

[earnest bone]

i wonder what are the requirements

[narrow frost]

depends on the level of havoc

[copper verge]

Havoc forged would probably be very similar to auric

[narrow frost]

30 and less, sure

[elder fiber]

like I don't think "even relatively bad weapons are viable" is a bad thing for dt

[tall torrent]

Nah I think duelling sword won’t be that good on vet

Zealot maybe

[copper verge]

No horde clear melee only might suck ass ngl

[narrow frost]

vet wouldnt be horde clear, just anti elite

I gues PS does that

but Ds has the mobility

[tall torrent]

Power sword does that better

[tall torrent]

With all due respect I don’t think mobility means that much when you’re gonna be buddy sticking the entire time

I think vet meta is just gonna be shredder frag spam

[wise fossil]

Huge increase to hitmass probably even more heavily favors psykers

All shriek all the time

[tall torrent]

And kill elites asap

[copper verge]

Yes, shredder frag with the grenade regen perk

Power sword charge spam

[wise fossil]

Rending trauma

[elder fiber]

can't wait to spend an hour jorking off my trauma staff with the lads

[grand perch]

yeah thats what i liked about the game, pick whatever you fancy and you can still do good

[copper verge]

Rending trauma smite spam

Probably shield

Gotta max out my staff now lol

[elder fiber]

oops the smiter kept the horde split up so its gonna take even longer to clear that shit

[earnest bone]

that's never applied to Cataclysm in VT2 for example and maybe Legend too but it was more relaxing there

[stuck gorge]

cant wait for reapers to murder players in less than a second if they fail to dodge

[copper verge]

Yeah

God

[tall torrent]

They’re removing ranged stun & shotgunner pushback

[copper verge]

On ranged enemy modifiers i cant wait for shield psyker to be mandatory

[grand perch]

ill probably try to go max havoc level once and then never bother again since i like my weapon variety...if havoc gets as demanding on your loadout as projected rn

[earnest bone]

@grand perchbut i do agree that 95% stuff being viable

was the best part of DT

"was"

[copper verge]

Kinda real tbh

[tall torrent]

@elder fiber ?

[copper verge]

Absolutely same lmao

[elder fiber]

I'm a sicko and I like the stun and pushback

[wind grotto]

I wonder how long it will take for havoc to just be completely dead when people get the outfits and never want to touch it again

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[earnest bone]

a month or two

if we go by Winds of Magic from VT2

but there's cosmetics locked behind it

so probably longer

• title

[copper verge]

I think if its implemented well and super rewarding, and i mean VERY rewarding with dockets/materials, and isnt meant to be insufferable and is somewhat enjoyable with the proper build like Auric is rn, i can see myself playing it consistently

[somber axle]

We need a new source to feed materials into right now tbh

[magic flume]

So, why am I sucking. What am I doing wrong. Am I playing Damnation to early?

I have a legendary Chainswordz Legendary Bolt Rifle [Both maxed out]

I'm lvl 26, no new skills yet.

I'm dying a lot on Damnation and I'm not sure why.

[bleak cradle]

Well… if anyone wants to buddy buddy with me I have >1000 hours on trauma staff haha

[copper verge]

But if its just meant to be “fuck you, this is gonna be harder than shoving shards of glass up your butt and i will inconvenience you for fun” type difficulty i wont play it after completing

[somber axle]

Once you max out your weapons/curios you have nothing to really do with plasteel/diamantine/dockets

[copper verge]

Lmaoo

[tall torrent]

Learn melee mechanics

[copper verge]

I still gotta do that, I’ve only maxed out Zealot mostly

Psyker is almost max

[tall torrent]

1,000,000 hours on trauma staff??

[magic flume]

Like?

[copper verge]

I just need to max force staff and sword

[bleak cradle]

Ya…. I edited that typo

Lol

[wind grotto]

damnation is just a giant step up in what the game expects of you for what it spawns even without modifiers, just gotta learn how to block and dodge better along with some other shit probably

[tall torrent]

Dodging, blocking, pushing
how to avoid ranged attacks
how to force ranged enemies into melee combat
how to fight different melee elites

[earnest bone]

all smykers are now trauma users

[tall torrent]

Etc

[magic flume]

I see.

[copper verge]

Do you have the proper dump stats btw

Also, those 4 missing levels do matter esp for the final keystone abilities, although lvl 26 damnation is doable

[magic flume]

Hm. I don't like melee combat much.

I'll try

[wind grotto]

well buckle up because damnation is going to want you to do a lot of melee

[copper verge]

The higher the difficulty the more the game makes you lean into melee

I learned that the hard way

Lol

[somber axle]

Learn dodge sliding as soon as you can tbh

[tall torrent]

Then uh
Probably play psyker

[grand perch]

nah you dont need to you just need to spam lights or heavies
#veteran-class message

[magic flume]

Lame tbh

[copper verge]

Unless you’re psyker then you just smite spam scream cooldown

[magic flume]

No

[somber axle]

Then you can just slide through enemy fire into cover or into melee with them

[copper verge]

I would say yeah bc its boring but at the same time i love mowing down hordes with psword its so satisfying

[tall torrent]

Psyker is the range orientated class
Veteran is the melee/ranged hybrid class
It’s just what it is

[magic flume]

Valid but I shouldn't be forced to

[magic flume]

Idc

[cyan verge]

I think higher difficulty just makes you learn like how to play the game, because I think the way you are meant to play darktide is to hordeclear with one weapon preferably melee then clear specials with your ranged weapon

[elder fiber]

I think if you really don't enjoy tide games melee then its probably not the game for you

[magic flume]

Eh

[severe gale]

lol

[tall torrent]

The difficulty options exist for a reason, if you don’t feel comfortable playing at high difficulties then you can always drop to lower difficulties

[severe gale]

vet chat moment

[copper verge]

I guess? I mean thats what you get for playing a game mirroring l4d and having ammo scarcity mechanics lmao

Melee vet is muscle memory for me rn anyways

Its not that hard

[cyan verge]

I mean that's the game...

[copper verge]

Psword braindead as FUCK

[copper verge]

Yeah lol

[magic flume]

I c

[copper verge]

Bros playing Warhammer ofc there will be melee emphasis

[cyan verge]

earlygame darktide be like "oh this is a shooter with melee? that's cool" lategame darktide be like "oh this is a melee brawler with shooting? that's cool"

[magic flume]

Confusing why it leans the opposite in other diffs.

[cyan verge]

well it doesn't

[somber axle]

Melee is very important but if you want more breathing room to use your gun and don't mind putting additional pressure on your team you could do an Infiltrate/Low Profile/Overwatch build. You'll have extra time to shoot but you will be actively making the match harder for your team by playing like this

[tall torrent]

Nah, melee is the core gameplay

[magic flume]

Yeah that's confusing

[cyan verge]

it's just that higher difficulties teach you that oh wait your melee is free, costs no resources, and deals with most enemies

[tall torrent]

You only play more ranged at lower difficulties because you don’t fully understand the game yet

[copper verge]

95% of Auric Damnation (current hardest difficulty before tmrw’s update) is ammo conservation and melee spam

Which is fine

[cyan verge]

to look at it another way, to just spam your ranged in sedition or whatever is like. you can do it because it's easy, but you aren't meant to play it that way

[copper verge]

Because melee weapons are fucking great

[magic flume]

Or I want to shoot stuff

[copper verge]

You can still shoot stuff by running the right ranged at high level, just dont rely on it especially since you dont want to be that player being the ammo sink for the rest of your team 💀

[cyan verge]

yeah I think the melee is really quite satisfying in this video game

[sullen jackal]

figuring out what you are dying to would help

[elder fiber]

I mean, real talk, nothing is stopping you from shooting shit and eating ammo on t5 difficulty until you down