veteran-class

[austere mica]

Columnus (Vraks) infantry autogun

[somber axle]

Boltgun Exe Stance full auto into a Burgle back or Plogryn face is magical

[austere mica]

Fucking terrifying

[little vortex]

ah

[austere mica]

With a fully stacked DD set and Scriers it rips something in half in 2 mags

[little vortex]

scriers almost doesn't count but yeah ok fair

[somber axle]

They confirmed more shows in the works for the universe set in Demacia, Ionia and Noxus

[austere mica]

Wydm scriers doesn't count

[somber axle]

it's just that "Arcane" as a story is over

[cobalt crest]

Yeah I'm excited about that

[austere mica]

Its one the largest sources of damage in the game

[cobalt crest]

Omg the teasers they had at the end made me shooketh

[somber axle]

I half expect them to wait halfway through those shows before having some Arcane characters pop their heads in for fun cameos

[little vortex]

right, so like, it shreds anything. it doesn't shred bosses better than it shreds anything else

[cobalt crest]

I was like WOAH I can't believe they put that in

[austere mica]

It struggles against carapace on psyker because no brittleness/rending

[little vortex]

it shreds bosses better than things that don't shred everything, of course it does, it's in the shredding

[cobalt crest]

|| I think we'll see heimer again cause bandle city and probably jinx since she left on the balloon||

[tall torrent]

What do u define as heavy boss dps

[cobalt crest]

But that's probably it?

[little vortex]

the kind where i can turn around for a sec to deal with adds and suddenly half the boss' health is gone

[stable socket]

Thunder hammer

[little vortex]

this is why i run inferno with scriers rather than gunk

well, partially why. the other part is "fire funi"

[tall torrent]

Veteran with krak + power sword / combat axe

[austere mica]

Yeah that's: Bolter on anyone, Achlys BLO, Thammer, Scriers Ciag, zealot ds4

Only examples

Theres more

[austere mica]

You have melee for cara

[cobalt crest]

What should I run on power sword instead of brutal momentum cause Ive been kinda liking brutal momentum less and less

Maybe sundered

[somber axle]

|| I know they're functionally immortal by lore and regardless of multiverse/timeline shenanigans there's only one Bandle City right?? Idk I'm not so well versed on LoL lore. But Heimer for sure will be back one way or another. Also I did see the stuff showing the pink streak JUST before/during the explosion trailing off to the side and Cait investigating the Hexgate layout to check the vent tunnels that would've feasibly let Jinx escape alive and unseen. The airship mimics the one in Season 1 she says she wants to ride one day. And her chat with Silco in the prison cell about breaking the cycle by walking away on top of the Jinx style art at the end also seems to vaguely hint she survived and broke the cycle at last on her terms? ||

[austere mica]

And you waste the extremely powerful subnode Precog by running something that can't headshot

[little vortex]

counterpoint: fire funi

but yeah idr what i have on my inferno boi for melee tbh it might be ds4

[tall torrent]

Why do u not like BM

[austere mica]

mk3 sunder power cycler, its a sidegrade at best but it does exist

[cobalt crest]

|| I think there's no way any of the core cast died aside from Ambessa so jinx 100% is alive and idk what the official stance on yordle lore is cause they retcon it every time but my head cannon is that bandle city is like a form of reality anchor similar to how like yggdrasil is in god of war where there's only one of it but it's like connected to every alternate universe if that makes sense||

Idk I just feel like I'm not doing enough damage with the power sword against crushers

Which is kind of an absurd take cause it takes like 2-3 swings

[austere mica]

Pa-> light

[cobalt crest]

Anyways I'm going on my bus now so byeee

Was nice talking to you guys

[tall torrent]

It takes 2

[somber axle]

Power Sword's charge push attack light swing 1 or 2 times sounds neat but then the entire pack of Crushers walks in altogether and the lack of mobility feels awful for trying to fight multiple Crushers

Dueling Sword IV and Knife feel so much better

[little vortex]

i've done at least 3 of these and they're very good but i think a properly buffed and spec'd thammer is the only one that actually surprises me how fast it deletes shit.

but my point was really just that i don't like how incredibly one-note the bolter is. all it's good at now that other weapons don't do better is boss damage, and there are things that do boss damage as well or better that aren't one-note

[somber axle]

and are not dependent on charging the weapon between kills

[tall torrent]

Nah this is just not correct

[orchid hemlock]

Someone mentioned League?

[austere mica]

Bolter also very casually hits all important breakpoints but ok

[stable socket]

Exec stance bolter is crazy on the mostly ranged maelstrom

I think it's 1sbs all gunners

[little vortex]

i mean okay to be fair

a lot of this is just also that i hate how it feels to use

it slapped a lot harder when vet ult made you instantly equip it

[somber axle]

Exe Stance Boltgun does fantastic boss damage, mops up Carapace pretty quick, cleaves mixed hordes well and hits fantastic breakpoints on specials/elites

it's just really strong now LOL

[little vortex]

now the only place i feel it's not silly is on a zealot and even that zealot is trying too hard to be a sororitas

[astral ibex]

can the penance of 90 hit rate be cheesed? like, a single shot, then only melee?

[tall torrent]

Veteran still has executioner’s stance

[somber axle]

hating how it feels is fair though

the swap speed and reload speed are awkward

[tall torrent]

U have to be out of ammo by the end

[little vortex]

yeah but that doesn't insta-swap, ogryn dakka ult does that now

[tall torrent]

No it does swap lol

[somber axle]

but at least it's better than Helbore as far as damage and the shots staggering helps control hordes a bit better while taking out elites/specials in the crowd

[austere mica]

You need to run all your ammo, so something like Double Barrel and Weapon Specialist is best because you fire into melee

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=6749fe5f&is=6748acdf&hm=685e6886730c605c3b46e7f883742ff7045d63ec03a68f1bd0c16e3e5ceed123&

[austere mica]

I was running it and realized my accuracy was borderline 100% so I decided to empty my reserves and got the penance

[little vortex]

???? fr? i never noticed this

maybe i'm just always holding the gun when i ult, but also it's been a minute since i ran an exe stance build

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

it's a good time to enjoy Exe Stance after the buffs to make Relentless baseline and it doesn't break on swapping melee or getting dogged/netted

[little vortex]

i remember it swapped before the big class update, and then point blank barrage got that ability and i could fukken swear vet lost it

[somber axle]

though tbh if you're dogged, netted or mutie'd you're probably going to have the buff drop off before you can get free and kill something anyway LOL

now if only they'd return Exe Stance giving an instant full weapon reload on ability activation too...

[little vortex]

yeah :/ that was based

but if one of the two is gonna have that it makes more sense for PBB

[somber axle]

double Boltgun magdump was stupid but it is the fun kind of stupid

[little vortex]

now we get achlys BLO double magdump

except the second mag is the other half of your reserves because charmed reload exists

[austere mica]

I run overwhelming blaze away because I am racist against burgles

[lilac meteor]

@somber axle Did a mission with this advice got muchos more than just using the gear + chance perks^^ Thanku, will keep this going

[somber axle]

WELCOMES!

Good luck on the penance 😄

[little vortex]

emprah is pleased

[astral ibex]

meleee hits count?

for the hitrate %?

[somber axle]

no

[austere mica]

No, this build uses the shotgun as a horde clear tool

So I was saying you fire it into melee range

so its borderline impossible to miss

[somber axle]

shotguns are one of the best for doing Make Every Shot Count though since they're low ammo count and iirc as long as any of the pellets connect with an enemy it counts as a hit

[narrow frost]

buy a grey shotgun from brunt with the lowest ammo count

[somber axle]

and DBS just vomits pellets at everything in front of you

[little vortex]

unfortunately they can't boost your accuracy above 100% by hitting a shit-ton at once but yes

[austere mica]

And is effective besides

[somber axle]

oh yeah absolutely

[austere mica]

Infinite cleave + bleed is a hell of a fucking drug

[somber axle]

I did the penance with a Lawbringer Shotgun (recently renamed to Zarona) purely by accident

[little vortex]

running double barrel blessing on that turns you into the doom slayer

[austere mica]

Imagine reloading

ever

[little vortex]

WS is even better with a weapon that has 2 bullets loaded ever, yes

[somber axle]

Manstopper + Scattershot with the funny Marksman's Focus and Infiltrate + Low Profile build for evaporating hordes was just too funny LOL

[austere mica]

I just forget I shot a shell and it regrows back into the chamber

[little vortex]

but cmon who the fuck doesn't love slapping two shells in it like that

iconic

[somber axle]

but now Double Barrel exists and it sorta just does everything Lawbringer/Zarona Shotgun could do but with less investment and better minus sniping elites/specials at medium to long range

[astral ibex]

gonna try as a lvl 12 veteran to see how bad it goes

combat shotgun can be viable on damnation?

[austere mica]

I like flechette because funny double crit blessings and it helps against enemies at the back end of a horde

[little vortex]

i feel like most things can be viable if you compensate for the weapon's weaknesses with skill

[austere mica]

Or elites I only hit with a few pellets

[somber axle]

anything is viable on Auric Damnation but like weaker weapons will take more effort

Shredder Autopistol is the arguably the weakest weapon in the game right now after Recons were buffed a few patches ago and you can still safely run it in Auric Damnation matches if you're feeling goofy enough

[little vortex]

oh shit

[austere mica]

Mostly because of Inspiring Barrage

[somber axle]

you can sorta just play with whatever you find fun

[little vortex]

i haven't changed my crackhead stealth knife vet who runs autopistol and i'm still immortal with that mf

[austere mica]

It can print a bunch of toughness while doing a bit of supression and stagger

[somber axle]

meta weapons/optimal weapons give you the most power but you can do whatever you feel once you're comfy at the difficulty

[little vortex]

i literally only use the gun for ragers and muties

[austere mica]

But yeah autopistol is like

The worst

(human) weapon in the game

[little vortex]

i know columnus is better but like

a zealot carrying an assault rifle is a little too realistic for me

[somber axle]

I have a really dumb Recon Mk VIc build that feels infinite ammo and I just sorta go full auto into literally everything I see and never run empty ever without being an ammo gremlin Gunlugger Ogryn style

[austere mica]

You also have one designed to crack bulwarks

[somber axle]

Reciprocity, Deadshot, crit perk, Tunnel Vision and you can just spend the whole match beginning to end shooting and only using knife for mobility or to crack open Crushers

it's stupid fun for me but also absolutely just some silliness that isn't going to compete with some of the best builds in meta

[tame lodge]

Yes

[astral ibex]

which perks and stats?

[orchid hemlock]

Check the pins

Pretty sure it's flak/maniac for perks but I don't remember the blessing names

[tall torrent]

No respite + full bore/deathspitter
or
Scattershot + manstopper

[orchid hemlock]

But then again I don't use the shotguns other than the DB 😔

[tall torrent]

Steam version of guide will prob take a while

[steady wolf]

what DBS you using, "Hacker"?

or does any DBS work

[tall torrent]

I think the 5 month estimate might actually be real

2 infantry lasguns took 5hrs to do

[remote sonnet]

I got assimilated into one of the stealth vet running with knife and revolver.

Depending on map, I run DBS.

[steady wolf]

super based

[remote sonnet]

WS is hela of a drug

[pseudo fiber]

I actually wanted to ask Path what made you want to start the guide?

[austere mica]

There’s only one?

[cobalt crest]

Perhaps

[tall torrent]

A friend

[worldly pulsar]

The only sane take

[astral ibex]

Man, s2 was a clownfest on how to not make a season after the s1 success

[magic flume]

Agreed

[magic flume]

Haven't heard that take once

[astral ibex]

A Power Rangers episode makes more sense than s2 of arcane

[magic flume]

Okay, I'm sorry your comprehension is limited.

[austere mica]

This might be a new record on messages to non instant insults to someones character in vet chat

[magic flume]

Real

[worldly pulsar]

I haven't watched s2, but as an old man, I've watched a lot of Power Rangers, and that's an awful low bar.

Seems unlikely

[magic flume]

Correct

[tame lodge]

Hope you don't like OG Viktor

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

[orchid hemlock]

I never liked arcane period

But tbh the show itself isn't nearly as cringe as the 20 trillion clickbait videos on Tiktok and YouTube about the show 💀

If I have to see another Jinx+Ekko edit to a Bruno Mars song I'm actually going to snap my phone in half

[magic flume]

Anyway, any Vet tips to know

[magic flume]

Real

But genuinely, I'm new

I know this class has supposed stigmatism

So, nice and all

[austere mica]

Every class does

[magic flume]

Just be real and skip the memes, just give me tips if you have any

[austere mica]

thats how it works

[magic flume]

I've heard Vets the most hated class and players in general

[orchid hemlock]

Idk that seems vague tho

[austere mica]

It also happens to be the most picked

Strange

[loud belfry]

zealot is better and cooler

veteran is jealous of zealot

[magic flume]

Idc

[magic flume]

You can have both.

[loud belfry]

veteran is the only class I've ever seen outright beat my psyker at damage but that dude was Chinese and probably actually hacking so who knows

[magic flume]

Wild

Alr

[austere mica]

Its almost like theres a correlation

!!!!

[magic flume]

I have autism, idk what your getting at

[orchid hemlock]

Vet probably has the most misinformation that spreads around too 💀

[austere mica]

Most picked class and most considered to be COD man and eat shit to two poxwalkers

[magic flume]

So just do whatever I want

[magic flume]

I see. I hate COD. I just like the Cadians a bit and I love their armor.

[little vortex]

step 1. left click heretics
step 2. ????
step 3. profit new mission, reject

[somber axle]

Voice of Command + Duty and Honour is probably the most powerful Vet ability you have access to and is pretty universally useful regardless of build with very few exceptions

Shredder Frag Grenades are your best grenade for creating space to revive a team mate or clear mixed hordes, don't rely on Krak Grenades too much for Crushers/Bulwarks because they're mostly a crutch for newer players to avoid learning what weapons rip open armour and the sooner you learn how to deal with them without relying on Krak the better

Vet isn't 100% ranged and it's good to get into the habit of learning how to make the space you need yourself, how to block and dodge, how to clear a horde without taking hits, etc. because relying on your team for that means you have a weakness you're hoping someone else will fill and if that someone else isn't around you fall over

Vet has a special cover mechanic where if you crouch behind a crate and right click to aim you'll peek over it but this mechanic is pretty much almost never important to do LOL

[fresh mango]

Anyone have a recon lasgun build to share? Looking to finally take a break from my bolter and give it a try

[somber axle]

oh also in case you end up trying Infiltrate remember that you can underhand throw grenades without breaking stealth

[little vortex]

shock trooper + stack crits

that's kind of it

[magic flume]

Thank you Cat

[orchid hemlock]

#veteran-class message

[little vortex]

i've never heard of vets having stigma

[somber axle]

Recon Mk XII, Onslaught, Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes
you can run keystoneless and run whatever abilities/auras/grenades of your choosing but don't zig zag too much on the way down because you're going to need points to afford the important stuff

[little vortex]

i've heard of them having ligma, though

[orchid hemlock]

onslaught i honestly think is a cope talent

but if u want to take it, the lasguns are prob the best weapons in the game to put it on

[little vortex]

it legitimately never occurred to me to use onslaught with recon las

partly because it's in the melee side of the tree but also partly because recon las fell off hard before i started fucking with the melee side of the tree

[orchid hemlock]

nah recon got buffed

[little vortex]

yeah, i haven't used it since then tho

[orchid hemlock]

but that's not why onsalught is cope

the amount of talents it takes to get it that you could be using elsewhere doesn't jusitfy the benefit of being able to kill crushers and do slightly more damage to bosses

[little vortex]

i can sort of see it if you're doing some kind of run and gun build

and are already using WS

[orchid hemlock]

nah recon is bad with WS because the firerate isn't necessary, and the crit rate on thje first shot is basically useless

recon is a very heavy investment weapon

it's difficult to get away with a melee and recon focus build

[little vortex]

yeah, hence the "sort of"

[orchid hemlock]

at least without comparing it to the auto guns

[little vortex]

i'm definitely not bothered to put that build together

[orchid hemlock]

the biggest for me is that you can't take Agile Engagement with a recon build

and since u usually take fireteam since u dont need survivalist with recon to save points, it's such a waste

if you are not restricted by the recon requirements, this is what you can do: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

this is such a nasty build I feel like i am playing on easy mode in my aurics at times

[magic flume]

I am gonna run the boltgun

[somber axle]

it improves TTK/DPS on more than just Crushers but tbh the change is barely noticeable so yeah kinda

but the versatility of being able to shoot at any target is nice

sometimes there's a big pack of Crushers/Bulwarks all huddled together and you really don't want to be bothered doing the melee dance so grenade to stagger and them burn them all ezpz

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist is mostly for the funny "fastest fire speed in the game" meme

it's going to drink your ammo pretty fast even with Recip/Shock Trooper but it's hilarious

mostly just for the fun if you want to goof off and pop a celerity stim for a level of BRRRRRT that Autogun users could only dream of

[hollow ibex]

recon las mk xii on WS really is a meme

[somber axle]

yeah but it's a funny meme LOL

[hollow ibex]

esp with that worse draw speed

[somber axle]

it's not worth the extra talent points through Skirmisher but it is really funny

you would 100% do better damage skipping WS for a more optimal build

but if you want to do something silly and feel the sheer speed

[orchid hemlock]

I understand it is useful at dealing with crushers.

But the question you need to ask yourself is if 3 talent points is worth for dealing with only 5% of the enemies in the game (unless it's a specialist maelstrom)?

[somber axle]

it is worth trying

[magic flume]

Any good Bolt Gun builds to work for?

[somber axle]

for me yes because I hate Crushers LOL

[magic flume]

Also will coins be eaiser to earn later when I do other difficulties?

[orchid hemlock]

Well learn how to use your melee, it's much more efficient

[somber axle]

and with the sudden influx of new players a lot of the time I find that pub players trying their hands in AuDamn and Maels are not equipped to deal with Carapace at all

[orchid hemlock]

Melee weapons (other than kraks) are the best way to deal with crushers

The majority of the time

[somber axle]

efficient sure, safe no

you have to kite the constant parade of armour while poking with knife or DS4

it's not hard

[orchid hemlock]

It is safe, crushers are not the scariest units in the game

[somber axle]

but it means that elites/specials are joining the parade

[orchid hemlock]

Very slow, very easy to dodge

[somber axle]

it's just more risky

vs low effort pop Exe Stance on Recon Mk XII and watch everything die in seconds

and for very low ammo cost considering Recip/Shock Trooper

it's not like ammo is that big of a deal

[orchid hemlock]

I would rather have more damage at dealing with the actually scary units in the game, like ragers/gunners

[somber axle]

yeah but you can already do that

it's not like the tradeoff is losing a ton of damage elsewhere

[orchid hemlock]

No u are sacrificing focus fire for onslaught

[somber axle]

people commonly go keystoneless

FT/RF isn't that big of a change

[orchid hemlock]

People go keystoneless on onslaught because you have no more points to take a keystone on

[somber axle]

the TTK/DPS is minimal on a lot of targets

you can go keystoneless because Recon's damage barely changes with any of them except like

MF/CitA

[orchid hemlock]

Or I can take more damage 🤷🏻

[somber axle]

but that's a hard ask for the point cost and how much people dislike it

[orchid hemlock]

Instead of wasting 3 points for onslaught for no damage bonus

[little vortex]

i am sorry i hate the boltgun

have you considered the bolt pistol instead

[somber axle]

sure but like I have to ask you to remember that the difference in playstyle is what you're arguing here

some people will value the versatility of being able to peel open armour vs slightly more damage across the board

it's a tradeoff

[orchid hemlock]

The "difference of plsystyle" is being too lazy to just walk up to a crusher and kill it with a melee weapon

[somber axle]

that's not lazy LOL

dude this is a game not a job

[little vortex]

some folks can't dance with crushers my brother in the emprah

[orchid hemlock]

Other than that, the "playstyle" isn't different at all

[somber axle]

you can still walk up and melee Crushers with an Onslaught build if you want to

and I still do sometimes

[orchid hemlock]

Like I said onslaught is literally only used for crushers

[somber axle]

Knife/DS4 trivializes dueling Carapace

[magic flume]

I didn't ask if you did or not.

[little vortex]

ds4 trivializes everything

[somber axle]

it's just sometimes fun to go BRRRRT into a pack of Crushers and watch them fall over

that's the tricky part to understand

you can frame it how you want, but the argument is what people find fun and what people find functional

it's both

[orchid hemlock]

Nope, not tricky at all

[somber axle]

also it doesn't have bad pathing imo

the stam regen node is very nice to have

you almost ALWAYS want at least one of them on Vet

othewise the stam regen feels awful on Vet

[orchid hemlock]

Also no u can't kill a pack of crushers fast enough before they engage them in melee with the MKXII

[little vortex]

i'll put it differently

if you are new at the game and you try to run boltgun you're gonna have a bad time

if you like bolt weapons, run the bolt pistol

if you like the bolter specifically, play a zealot

[somber axle]

so either you're dropping the point below Shock Trooper which is a low cost thing or you're grabbing it on the way to Onslaught

[little vortex]

because you're going to eat shit a lot without the zealot's survivability talents

[orchid hemlock]

It takes about 3 seconds with onslaught/infernus/dumdum to kill one crusher

[somber axle]

idk what you mean because I do it with Exe Stance, Marksman, FtE and CQKZ a bunch

[tame lichen]

only if you are bad sure

[somber axle]

it's just a goofy all in on damage build

[orchid hemlock]

[somber axle]

if you're running VoC I could see it taking longer

[orchid hemlock]

You take Marksman and onslaught?

[queen fox]

Why is bolter better on zealot? Vet has the reload talents

[orchid hemlock]

How is that possible

[somber axle]

lemme show

it's also Keystoneless so LOL

[orchid hemlock]

I'm about to puke am I?

[somber axle]

probably because I'm 100% sure you'd hate playing the way I do LOL

[orchid hemlock]

Wait how is it keystoneless if it has marksman?

That's a condtridiction

[little vortex]

bolter is zealot's counterpart to flamer: a weapon for far-away and/or tanky bullshit, rather than up close or squishy, that also sucks shit to swap to

[somber axle]

dude

Marksman

not Marksman's Focus

[little vortex]

and if you can run a flamer zealot, which you can, you can run a bolter zealot

[somber axle]

for 10 sec +20% strength

very good

[orchid hemlock]

Nah

That's even worse

IG it's OK with an Exe build tho

[frank ether]

lol what

[frank ether]

nothing wrong with bolter veteran

are u high

[tame lichen]

Zealot with bolt pistol =/= Vet with revolver

imo

[somber axle]

I've been running Dum Dum + Infernus because flames make happy brain chemicals

[queen fox]

OK but that doesn't explain why bolter performs better with zealot than veteran
Again, Vet has far more talents that complement bolter and ranged than zealot does

[little vortex]

but the weapon itself is awkward and shitty. you have to compensate that with skill.

that is not to be recommended for someone who is new at the game.

[frank ether]

back when fotf worked for gun and downgraded armor it was better for zealot and then people kept spoonfeeding this information left and right even after this ceased being the case

[somber axle]

I bring Knife mostly for mobility because wow it feels like AuDamn groups lately have been a bunch of speedrunners zooming through the map as fast as they can and if you want to duck into an alley to check for ammo crates/medkits/stims/diamantine/etc. you have to be faster than them always

I don't really lean into Shredders unless I need to create space on a mixed horde in my group's face or to buy a second to get someone off the floor

so I don't bother with Demo Stockpile

[orchid hemlock]

Nah knife is trash with this kind of build

[somber axle]

no Desperado so it's very eh

[orchid hemlock]

No melee investment other than recip is extremely lackluster on knife

[somber axle]

I run Recip/Flesh Tearer and bleed things for fun LOL

+Cara and +2 stam for perks

bleed and burn makes happy brain chemicals

I could probably drop RS for Desperado but I don't feel like it

[little vortex]

i'm very much not taking that into account

i would only ever run bolter on a chorus zealot

the point is not that zealot's talents synergize with the bolter, it's that zealot's talents make it easier to recover from when you inevitably eat shit due to using the bolter badly

[orchid hemlock]

Knife needs:

Reciprocity
Desperado
Trench
WS
Stamina regen
Agile Engagement

If you don't take all of these, the DS is just better in every respect

[somber axle]

Knife absolutely does not require Agile Engagement to function

I don't think it needs the attack speed from WS or TF either tbh

[orchid hemlock]

I mean to "function" it's fine

[queen fox]

Ds is just better period

[frank ether]

you are in no position to offer others advice if thats your view on things

[orchid hemlock]

But it's still objectively better

[somber axle]

If you're trying to make optimal sure

you don't NEED optimal

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but knife is just ass without the majority of those things listed

[somber axle]

and it's really goofy how far ammo stretches with Recip/Shock Trooper

[queen fox]

You need skill

[little vortex]

sure let's ignore all the new vets i see running bolter and dying hilariously

no correlation at all

[frank ether]

you being bad at it does not make the tool bad.

[magic flume]

No, no and no again.

[little vortex]

i'm fine at it, i just hate how it feels

but i'm fine at it because i'm decent at the game

[magic flume]

Any bolt gun loadouts?

[queen fox]

Shock trooper with crit talents on laspistol is funny

[somber axle]

Knife feels awful without stam regen, but Recip/Riposte and Flesh Tearer ends up making it funny for anything I need it to do (which is really only mobility for kiting/scavenging)

[little vortex]

you could just look on gameslantern if you're gonna be lazy about it. asking here implies you want a side order of opinion

[orchid hemlock]

DS, shock maul, shovel, PS, CA, CS ect.... Are all better than the knife without those talent nodes

[queen fox]

I have opinions

[magic flume]

I don't, you assume to much.

And someone just asked for a build

[queen fox]

Bolter is the best weapon

[frank ether]

You can run exe vet or charge zealot with boltgun perfectly fine, in fact its preferrable that way.

[queen fox]

Only use bolter

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper is one of my fav talents and like it's 40k I'm not really feeling shotguns/autoguns because I want to enjoy the theme of the game more

[queen fox]

Love that sound

[somber axle]

and Lasguns feel so very 40k

[magic flume]

That's the plan

[queen fox]

[somber axle]

Yeah I know but like Shovel is also not very good either and I still run shovel for bonk memes because it's fun LOL

[little vortex]

are you a sororitas or a space marine? no? then stick with guns that aren't heavier than your mom.

bolter's never not gonna be silly.

[somber axle]

like I know all of the things you're saying, that building optimally is what puts it up there with the good weapons, but like if I cared about building the optimal melee 100% of the time I'd just run Rashad 24/7 and be bored

[queen fox]

Human sized bolters canonically existed before the imperium did

Common dark age tech

[frank ether]

Game must be getting popular again

[somber axle]

if I wanted to be optimal I'd just run meta VoC Plasma and be bored

[queen fox]

They basically exist today

[frank ether]

judging by the amount of silly youtube content and game takes I witness lately

[little vortex]

idc, as i keep saying, what i hate most about the bolter is the vibes

they are wrong for darktide, and only marginally acceptable on zealot

[orchid hemlock]

All I'm saying is that knife is very bad (in comparison to other melee weapons the vet has access to) without a lot of investment, I am not pointing a gun into your head forcing you to stop using it. I am just stating an objective anaylisis on comparing weapons

[queen fox]

Or, we have the ability to make something very close

[frank ether]

fatfish must be making money

[somber axle]

I'm just doing whatever because the game has been out for years and if you wanna squeeze fun out eventually you'll just decide to throw together whatever you feel instead of following cookie cutter

[little vortex]

i also hate how one-note they are in-game, but they're fine at hitting that note, very good even if you spec them that way

[somber axle]

I have an alternate Recon Mk VIc build that just never runs out of ammo because it combos Deadshot and Reciprocity

[magic flume]

Your vibe sucks in general. Idk why your giving takes on vibes.

[somber axle]

it's absolutely not optimal

it's not here to compete with anyone

it's just dumb goofy fun

LOL

[little vortex]

it's okay, you don't need my permission to be wrong

[frank ether]

This is sorta the reason I'm half worried about the new difficulty mode but who knows it all depends on the modifiers tbf

If it sucks I guess I'll just go back to mael queue

[somber axle]

nah for Havoc I'd run proper builds tailored to whatever modifiers there are

I'm not about to play silly when I want to progress rank

that's for quickplay

[magic flume]

Awww too bad, I like begging.

[little vortex]

i know

[orchid hemlock]

Then why make the argument in the first place?

You seem to be moving the goal post multiple times just like with the onslaught discussion

[somber axle]

what argument? you've been arguing Onslaught isn't worth and I've said it is because of versatility and fun and we've been playing cat and mouse over text ever since

[magic flume]

You wouldn't though, your a presumptuous wannabe knowitall. <3

No where near my type lmao

[little vortex]

go be a furry somewhere else, this place knows only the sanctity of the emprah

[somber axle]

FT/RF isn't as big a deal as you think and doesn't really change Recon Mk XII performance THAT meaningfully that you have to have it

[magic flume]

I'm not a furry sweet thing <3

[somber axle]

it isn't required like Shock Trooper, Recip, Rending Strikes, etc.

[magic flume]

Sorry, did I agitate your fragile concept of masculinity?

[little vortex]

but for real i look forward to you coming back here after a minute of trying and failing to make good use of the bolter before you have the basics of the game under your belt and sheepishly admitting it was a bad idea

[magic flume]

Or did I temper your lil ego

[frank ether]

I don't really feel like going that far but we'll see what the actual modifiers are.

[somber axle]

Onslaught is important if you want to engage Crushers effectively with it and it very slightly improves damage against other targets where the ADMs are not 1.0

[loud belfry]

the emperor's secret cat girl collection:

(jk cat girls aren't really furry)

[magic flume]

I already love it lmao, I'm using it rn

[somber axle]

that's what their dev talk said they were hoping to craft with Havoc: modifiers that make players tailor builds to what they need to do

[little vortex]

sorry, what i meant was "trying and failing to use the bolter and not be a deadweight ammo hog to the rest of your team"

[somber axle]

whether or not that ends up being the case is a whole other thing entirely

so like not just one person rolling their same standard build every time

[magic flume]

You realize you don't need to use the full auto...?

[somber axle]

but maybe tweaking things depending on what they expect

[frank ether]

Thats ironic because the games problem currently are the weapons and builds that are tailored to handle ALL situations perfectly well lol

[little vortex]

there's 15 bolts in a mag chief

you're gonna run through the shit fast no matter how slowly you shoot

or was it 18

[frank ether]

they've been afraid to nerf those things out of fear it might upset carebears

[somber axle]

people would hate it but I run Exe Stance + Enhanced Target Priority on Lights Out/Vent Purge because it's nice giving the team support when things get extra wild

yes the team sees elites/specials and takes out targets so I get less kills

[magic flume]

There's even less in a pistol, "chief"

[orchid hemlock]

You jumped from "onslaught is recommended for recons" to "onslaught is effective against crushers" to "it's a playstyle difference" to "its fun"

[somber axle]

it's not about having the biggest number on a chart at the end of the game

[queen fox]

Tips from a fellow bolter enjoyer
Bolter is a finesse weapon. It wants crits and headshots more than many weapons
Br sure to take all the reload speed talents and the swap speed talent
Dmg and recoil reduction from executioners stance are fantastic with bolter for magdumping on bosses, can do most of their health in one magazine with some luck with crits

[loud belfry]

prove it

[magic flume]

Oki thanki

[somber axle]

I never walked back any of those things. I explained further. All those things mean Onslaught is recommended for Recon Mk XII. Don't run it on Recon Mk XIV because the fire rate sucks LOL

[little vortex]

but it reloads much faster, doesn't suck ass to swap to, and has basically the same functions minus boss DPS

[somber axle]

I mean I have some old screenshots I could show? LOL

[little vortex]

which is to say: it's better for players that are new

[magic flume]

Don't suck is my best suggestion darling

[somber axle]

but tbh I'm just here to play game, have fun and shoot heretics

[orchid hemlock]

Changing the topic IS moving the goal post my dude 💀

[little vortex]

i'm fantastic at this game i'm sorry you can't accept that someone might hate the shit out of your comfort weapon

do you otherkin this thing or what

[frank ether]

Again that would have a lot of meaning if we didn't have so many screen deletion things that trivialized the need for such considerations.

Why worry about where specials might be when you have tools that delete them without knowing they're even there?

[vapid nacelle]

what weapon are we talking about

[frank ether]

psyker screen deletion or plasma/zarona just carving through like 5 enemies

its all the same

[orchid hemlock]

I also have explained why every single one of those things is irrelevant, or did you need me to "scroll up" back to the conversation again?

[somber axle]

It's not changing topic, because the topic was always Onslaught and Recon Mk XII. I explained that it slightly increases DPS/TTK on more than Crushers but clarified that the difference is so minimal that it's not really a big deal, same reason why FT/RF isn't important because the change in DPS/TTK is barely noticeable unless you line up like 20 Ragers and have them stand still in the Psykanium for funny tests. It's marginal increases at best and when it comes to tiny increases I value versatility over slightly bigger funny numbers

[little vortex]

mx. terminally online over here is stanning the bolter, which i hate

[queen fox]

Perish

[frank ether]

dude please drop the muh bolta take skill act lmao

[queen fox]

Bolter is cool af

[little vortex]

you first heretic

[frank ether]

you point it at a wave of specials and they die in 3 microseconds

[queen fox]

I SHALL SMITE THEE

[frank ether]

thats boltgun

[loud belfry]

bolter seems useful as a "oh God I'm surrounded" spam weapon even though it's kinda like a sniper

[somber axle]

Because I run pubs and you'd be shocked at how often that helps people not just walk into awful LOL

[vapid nacelle]

I've literally never used the bolter but it's cool

[magic flume]

No, you aren't. You cope the fact you are tho clearly.

[somber axle]

if you're running with a dedicated squad of friends it's probably not necessary at all

[orchid hemlock]

No it doesn't, where did you find this information? Your ass? 💀

Onslaught is specifically for crushers and teamwide boss damage. That's it

You have never explained the damage difference of anything else beyond this comparison.

And you keep making this argument of "not a big deal" to trivialize the amount of damage you can have on other nodes

[somber axle]

if you're running with pubs I can almost guarantee they appreciate the extra sight to know what's coming and from where

[queen fox]

It's not because of the draw time
Bolter is an opening barrage to thin the horde and drive them back for a few seconds

[frank ether]

getting punished for being awful is how you build game skill and more importantly character

[little vortex]

reading comprehender has entered the chat

what i said was, the things that make bolter hard are not about left clicking heretics, they're about everything else

[frank ether]

from my experience people who get babied a lot just cant handle playing without that care lmao

[iron marten]

it's pretty good as both, tbf. Just pop exe stance and hit heads or magdump, whichever the situation needs

[somber axle]

I ran a lot of weird clown science tests both pre and post Recon buff to discover these funny things. It's not a big deal, genuinely LMFAO

[frank ether]

how would I know? I was there at some point.

[somber axle]

that's why keystoneless is not necessary

[little vortex]

oh my god is this the most godawful bolter use yet proposed?

[somber axle]

none of the keystones actually do anything significant for the Recon Mk XII

[queen fox]

Yes

It's fun tho

[somber axle]

as far as like damage difference

[thin stone]

Hello vets

[somber axle]

you can literally go Psykanium and run both with and without Onslaught on Crushers to see the change

and you can also run it against other targets too

[queen fox]

Total ammo waste but it's very sarisfying

[somber axle]

and see funny DPS/TTK numbers and track the exact frame count if you want

I got lost in that sauce and tbh crit variance ends up changing DPS/TTK more meaningfully

[orchid hemlock]

I'm pretty sure a FT recon does more damage to everything in the game other than crushers than an onslaught recon.

I don't even need to test in Psykanium to know that 💀

[somber axle]

which is why Recip is required for all three Recons

[little vortex]

this is exactly my throne-damned point my brother in the emprah

it's good and fun for memes, and almost only for memes. it has a niche but it's so awkward to use that it's not a good rec to a new player

[thin stone]

ah yes, let me use this gun capable of leveling a tank for taking out 20 walking skeletons

[little vortex]

that's literally all i'm saying

i also, personally, hate it

[somber axle]

Onslaught isn't worth on the Recon Mk XIV or Recon Mk VIc imo because the former has too slow a fire rate to actually make it matter even against Crushers and the latter doesn't benefit nearly to the degree that the Recon Mk XII does

[orchid hemlock]

Again you seem to be trivializing the difference of damage because you don't want to admit that, yes, if you drop onslaught you do more damage to everything in the game except crushers

[somber axle]

it really doesn't change DPS/TTK meaningfully

[thin stone]

I hate it too, the imperium would not be happy with this waste of ammunition

[orchid hemlock]

"meaningful" is not relevant to me

[queen fox]

If you enjoy using a weapon in a game you will do better with that weapon, all else being equal
And bolter is by far the most enjoyable weapon besides maybe plasma

[somber axle]

idk how else to explain it other than the number isn't as big as you think it is

[orchid hemlock]

Amazing analysis

[somber axle]

I could show you I guess?

[frank ether]

''but for real i look forward to you coming back here after a minute of trying and failing to make good use of the bolter before you have the basics of the game under your belt and sheepishly admitting it was a bad idea''

poetic

[somber axle]

but wow I don't want to go into the Psykanium to play recording videos

[orchid hemlock]

That wasn't what I was even arguing about in the first place but OK 🤷🏻

[frank ether]

''failing to make use of bolter'', the weapon that you, point at things, and they drop dead.

wow

[orchid hemlock]

Sleepy, nobody is disagreeing with you that onslaught is good into crushers

[little vortex]

"make good use of" does not equate to "point and click heretics", o reading comprehender

it has a broader meaning than that

i hope you're better at clicking heretics than you are at reading

[orchid hemlock]

Nobody is disagreeing with you that onslaught can be used for everything in the game

[somber axle]

like you can go Deathspitter/Dum Dum and run funny Psykanium Warrior builds with FT/RF and then compare them to videos using the same set up but keystoneless with Onslaught vs multiple elites/specials and find that the change in TTK/DPS isn't crazy

[queen fox]

Any loyal servant of the throne would say otherwise

[orchid hemlock]

But it's still better for the majority of targets yes?

[little vortex]

yeah, when the commissar is in earshot.

any good soldier knows the team comes first.

[queen fox]

FOR THE MASTER OF MANKIND

dumps bolter into poxwalker horde

[orchid hemlock]

Here I'll make it easy for you:

For the majority of targets in the game is MF or onslaught better? 🤔

[little vortex]

with your username i'm now just purely imagining that danktide video where the priest hits that nurgle-laced shit

[somber axle]

if you value slightly higher number yes? the TTK is pretty much the same on single targets and unless you're shooting through a door at lined up elites/specials while spamming ping to get FT on as many targets as you can while killing them and to maintain RF it's not going to make a noticeable difference

[somber axle]

MF + CitA is weirdly REALLY good with the VIc as funny as that sounds LOL

[orchid hemlock]

Thank you, christ we can finally end this goal post moving.

You almost moved it outside of the stadium by this point

[somber axle]

CitA + RS is nice

idk what you're talking about but like

end thing to realise

you choose versaility or slightly higher funny number with very little change in TTK

[orchid hemlock]

You already agreed with me, that's all I wanted to discuss

[queen fox]

No he didn't lmfao

[somber axle]

that's a weird takeaway but ok LOL

anyway like don't take Onslaught on the Recon Mk XIV or Recon Mk VIc because genuinely neither one benefits from the talent cost in a meaningful way and what little improvement both marks get vs Crushers isn't worth the cost imo

but Onslaught is absolutely worth on the Recon Mk XII because it improves damage/TTK on a lot of targets because Recons have awkward ADMs

[queen fox]

What's the firerate difference between the recon lasguns?

[somber axle]

one sec lemme find it

[little vortex]

full auto vs fuller auto

[somber axle]

here we go

RPM is what to look at

and it's why Onslaught is not worth on the other two variants

[queen fox]

Oh it's twice the rpm of mk6e?

Lmao that would make sense

That onslaught doesn't affect the other two marks as much

So is onslaught only good on recon mk12 and autopistol?

Maybe brauto?

[somber axle]

2.5% stacking brittleness up to 16 stacks for a total 40% sounds nice but the other two variants don't really stack it fast enough to matter

I think one of the Braced Autogun variants has a fast enough fire rate to do it too? but then it's mostly just for helping it vs Crushers since it handles everything else fine iirc

but yeah it does help Autopistol a bit LOL

there's a goofy Autopistol build I played with somewhere in this discord and it worked fine in AuDamn

[queen fox]

16 shots with autopistol is 1/4 a magazine

[somber axle]

but it was mostly just extra funny for occasionally shooting a Crusher's face off with the dinky pistol that everyone knows is the worst weapon in the game

[queen fox]

Does brittleness work against maniac and unyielding or only flak and cara?

[orchid hemlock]

#veteran-class message

@little vortex

You see what I mean how onslaught is a COPE talent?

[somber axle]

if the weapon you're using has less than 1.0 ADM vs the armour type it helps but how much it helps differs immensely

[little vortex]

honestly i got so caught up in shit-talking the bolter i kind of left y'all to it

i assumed you'd reach consensus eventually

[somber axle]

it's really only going to make a significant difference on high RPM weapons with weak ADMs vs armour and there are very few weapons in the game that fit that criteria LOL

[orchid hemlock]

tbh we have but I dont think they caught up yet 🤷🏻

wait what was the bolt gun discussion?

[midnight totem]

taking my new friends through auric maels today was hilarious

[white minnow]

also works against maniac & unyielding

[queen fox]

Bolt gun fun

[midnight totem]

I introduced them to the pox walker, mutants, hounds, extra blitz, extra barrels mael

[white minnow]

only armour types it doesn't work against is unarmoured & infested

[queen fox]

Good to know

[midnight totem]

we managed to get surprisingly far in chasm terminus

[somber axle]

Nice!

There's that special event for Havoc where if someone is still leveling it adds progress to the event

[midnight totem]

also of note was a barrel triple self kill in gloriana, the void

[magic flume]

Plasma gun any fun?

[somber axle]

Yes but it needs a certain build to hit the important breakpoints and when you have a good Plasma with the right build set up you just sorta kill elites/specials on sight and turn Darktide into a point and click adventure game LOL

[iron marten]

yeah, but it gets boring after a while

[somber axle]

and how much it trivializes encounters can get boring

[magic flume]

I see

[midnight totem]

These are space marine players who think Lethal is too easy in SM2

[somber axle]

the important bit to remember is that current Plasma is balanced around not using the charge shot at all

[midnight totem]

I think they got their challenge in darktide

[somber axle]

charge shot at max charge only gives 2.6x damage and changes cleave a bit (but not enough to make it punch through multiple Crushers) and if you try to use a charged shot at 100% heat you explode and kill yourself

uncharged shots have no risk of exploding

[midnight totem]

By the way Sleepy, I'll be taking them through twins, and maybe twins hard tomorrow. If you want to join, you're welcome

[somber axle]

I'd be down if I'm around

I might be at work depending on when you start

[midnight totem]

I'm off work so, I'll be around mostly the entire day

just holler when you're available

Gonna get this done

[somber axle]

charge shots also cost 3 times the ammo cost so they're incredibly inefficient for damage to ammo ratio vs uncharged shots

but they're very satisfying to use so if you want to use it for fun feel free (I do sometimes on the odd occasion I feel like blowing things up)

just be aware of the costs/risks

it can one tap Crusher/Bulwark heads and even if the damage isn't so good it's still fun to charged shot into a Burgle back or Plogryn face

[midnight totem]

its also just fun knocking down a crusher with the charge shot

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember doing something funny with Exe Stance Plasma to one shot Bulwarks through their shields but then Bulwark shields have been changed a bunch and I haven't tried it again recently to know if it still can or not

[cobalt crest]

Meow meow

[rigid schooner]

argh, closest i've seen to meta roll

[little vortex]

smh literally unplayable

[cobalt crest]

It was 69 charge right

[rigid schooner]

probably not any better than this i think

[cobalt crest]

Or am I miremembering

[rigid schooner]

wait, i got some brainrot. does having falter on your melee just naturally make your gun stagger more?

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass be watching as I get chased by chaos spawn while my team fights poxies

I just got fucking revived and instantly got killed by the chaos spawn again

It's all bots except for another lvl 200 dude clutching up

I hate this fucking game I was dumping my bolter into the chaos spawn what am I doing wrong

[cobalt crest]

Yo

[little vortex]

running the bolter

[cobalt crest]

So close

@rigid schooner :v

Wait no it was the other way around

Im fucking stupid

[little vortex]

i'm legitimately going to try a bolter vet build tomorrow or this weekend to confirm that it sucks as much as i think it does

gonna try to find a maelstrom with extra monsters just so i know i am getting value out of it

[unkempt mica]

any good veteran builds with the hellbore?

[little vortex]

unfortunately almost none

i wish helbore played as good as it feels like it should

[unkempt mica]

nuts

[little vortex]

i made a meme build if you scroll up a bit because i wanted a sniper that felt like a sniper

but it's not great i'm just good enough at darktide to make it work

[unkempt mica]

what purple bottom skill should i pick for like a lasgun build

[little vortex]

probably focus target

alternatively, if you want to level up your purple bottom skill, find a top that's into spanking

[grand perch]

marksman focus

[little vortex]

do not listen to this heretic

[grand perch]

focus target is never bad, but mf is actually good on lasgun

[unkempt mica]

what ability? the shout or stance

[rigid schooner]

i like using the light helbore to delete all shooters in existence

[little vortex]

mf is okay on anything with half-decent firerate. it's actively good on bullet/laser hoses

[magic flume]

Soundwave Superior.

[fresh mango]

I think I no longer fuck with the power sword

[grand perch]

ill just quote this

[unkempt mica]

autobots inferior

[little vortex]

this actually depends on what role you want to play

[cobalt crest]

Ravage eject!

[unkempt mica]

the shout is support ig?

[unkempt mica]

https://tenor.com/view/ravage-ravage-transformers-transformers-ravage-soundwave-soundwave-transformers-gif-18376856869477025486

[little vortex]

the shout is basically the fallback option. there's no bad time to pick shout.

the stance is good in a more specific set of cases.

[somber adder]

Bolter is insane

[unkempt mica]

noted

[little vortex]

if you're confident in your survivability, the stance helps you one-tap shooters so they can stop holding down your team.

[unkempt mica]

gotcha gotcha

[tall torrent]

this is an insane take

[hollow ibex]

maybe his game is on a previous patch before bolter got buffed

[little vortex]

i just really don't like how the bolter plays. i grudgingly acknowledge it has its uses, but everything else about it sucks

[somber adder]

Can I get that patch

[unkempt mica]

i love lasgun

[tall torrent]

what sucks about it

[cobalt crest]

WHY GOD GY

EHHSJSHDHG

AAAAAAAAAA

[fresh mango]

how do y’all build your devil claw?

[grand perch]

try this build

[cobalt crest]

Wait that's the wrogplasma gun

WHY GOD WHY

[little vortex]

it's slow. it's awkward. it makes me such a fucking drain on resources for such a niche benefit, almost all of which i can get with other weapons.

the only thing it truly does better than alternatives is boss DPS, and i'm sorry but i'm just not that bovvered about that as a vet. i'm neither an ogryn nor a zealot. my job is taking care of adds before i fuck with anything that has a visible health bar.

[tall torrent]

tbh I don't think making mk7 1 tap is worth it lol

[tall torrent]

this is like
so wrong on so many levels

[grand perch]

this wont stop me cause i cant read

[hollow ibex]

actually heretical lol

[little vortex]

i think people who enjoy bolters should go play Space Marine or Boltgun

[somber adder]

This is perfectly usable

[tall torrent]

boltgun hits bodyshot 1 tap on every low mass elite and 2 shots ragers/maulers
with some of the best anti-carapace potential out of a ranged weapon
and deals extremely reliable boss dmg

[cobalt crest]

I know

But I just want

The fancy number

[somber adder]

I mean, you do :p

[cobalt crest]

I need it

I crave it

I lust for it

Ok too far maybe

[somber adder]

Just claim "i mixed up the numbers woopsie daisie"

[tall torrent]

do u think gunlugger ogryn is good

[dry cloak]

Especially when SM2 bolters are worse than the darktide one.

[little vortex]

i have fine anti-carapace potential even without abusing the dueling sword.

all of this shit the revolver does equally well and that's actually fun to use.

except boss DPS.

bolter's great at that.

[somber adder]

"visible health bar"
No more questions your honour

[tall torrent]

revolver does not bodyshot elites without crits

[little vortex]

the specific numbers don't matter to me i respect that you were autistic enough to source dive but i don't care

[dry cloak]

@tall torrent i think we have a revolver fan here. (Nothing wrong with that)

[cobalt crest]

Ok I spent way too much money on plasma guns

[tall torrent]

I respect u being wrong
but u are very wrong

[somber adder]

Never knew spending 5 minutes in the psykhanium was considered autistic

Guess I'm autistic now

[dry cloak]

Cfk wouldnt survive in the ogryn chat

[elder fiber]

somebody mentioned numbers time to bust out the ableism

[little vortex]

nah actually the autistic part is continuing to argue the numbers when i keep saying the thing that i hate most is the boltgun's vibe and only secondarily dislike how it works mechanically

[steady wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-lebron-facts-tawktuah-tawk-tuah-gif-14756616978228339939

[tall torrent]

ur in veteran chat, might as well get used to numbers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[steady wolf]

at least fighting in vet chat is good, means we actually have more than 1 viable build

[cobalt crest]

I'll never love numbers

[grand perch]

math is the most terrifying weapon

[little vortex]

reading comprehender #2 has entered the chat

i literally said i respect the autism

i am also autistic vet numbers just aren't my special interest

[cobalt crest]

They killed my father

[neat musk]

FINALLY got my chainsword to level 20 mastery

[cobalt crest]

I'll never forgive them

[dry cloak]

What do you mean by this

[grand perch]

furious pointing to zealot

[steady wolf]

[cobalt crest]

Don't zealots fight a lot?

[dry cloak]

@grand perch zealot has like 1.5 builds

[grand perch]

yeah thats my point

[little vortex]

this is a stereotype i could have benefited from knowing about

[white minnow]

"drains benefits for a niche benefit" does sound like you do have a significant gripe with the numbers

[dry cloak]

Most builds just change keystone and ability.

[stoic thorn]

I JUST KNOCKED A CHAOS SPAWN OFF THE MAP WITH MY KRAK NADES AND MAGDUMPING BOLTER

[white minnow]

also yes i have veteran levels of literacy as you can see from how i retyped your phrase

[little vortex]

the relation of numeric quantities, yes, sure. but not the specific numbers. i hate feeling like i am draining value from the team when i am not killing something every time i click the mouse, and yeah, you can say skill issue it's whatever but shit also does just happen

[dry cloak]

Very good. Do it again

[little vortex]

wtf i love bolter now

jk i can do that with chorus zealot

jk jk you did good and emprah is proud

[errant badger]

Anyone willing to help me with the on overwatch penance?

[dry cloak]

Zeot main in the cjat

[tall torrent]

do u think gunlugger ogryn is good rn

[little vortex]

define "good"

it's definitely fucking hilarious, but that's because it's ogryn.

[white minnow]

at some point, you'll just have to say that you just don't like bolter's playstyle and call it a day instead of constantly shitting on it and having to consequently defend your opinion from other people frequently

[dry cloak]

Paradoxally youre better of asking on ogryn chat with this one

[errant badger]

Ok

[little vortex]

i have said this, and people keep not reading it, idk man

[white minnow]

i don't like to run the bolter either and i just leave it at that

[steady wolf]

um just get the reconnect mod and do that at end of mission

sooo ez!

[little vortex]

actual heresy

[tall torrent]

do u think it's a generally strong playstyle outside of C-I-VI maelstrom

[steady wolf]

the heresy is shop rotation being a thing..

[dry cloak]

Bolter is my main vet weapon when not playing stealth vet

[white minnow]

all i'm gonna say is that you will need to work on your wording and you could also speak less on how other people enjoy it as well #veteran-class message
this discourse certainly isn't only on the onus of other people

[little vortex]

it's okay. i run achlys and pickaxe with it so i can deal with bulwarks without wasting a nuke and i get used to not one-tapping something that's not within rat-spitting distance. i feel like a one-trick pony but the trick is dumb-stupid funny

and it's a pretty effective trick

[tall torrent]

ok fair, I can see why u wouldn't like boltgun then

[errant badger]

The ogryns aren’t responding

Too busy eating rations

[little vortex]

yeah i really only built a dakka ogryn to get the associated penances

shield ogryn my beloved

[errant badger]

Is there a specific penance group chat? I just joined the sub

[dry cloak]

From what continent are you

[errant badger]

US

[dry cloak]

Comeback in 10h server will be more active

Unless work

[somber axle]

if there's a specific penance you'd like advice on there's usually someone here with some good info to share

[dry cloak]

Hes looking for people to play with

[errant badger]

Fair

I’ll see if I can get it done and I’ll let you know

The one I really need help with is the private party penance for zealot but that’s another story altogether

[oblique totem]

More chains on the chainsword pls

[rigid schooner]

just did a handful of missions as shredder vet. it's surprisingly alright tbh

[oblique totem]

Pomni was correct. Yet again.

[rigid schooner]

the stat spread on the one i have is 2% off, but w/e

more than likely other guns are more optimal but idk

being able to stagger pretty much everything is handy

[hidden torrent]

Don't do any of them pog

[cobalt crest]

Shredder vet with an uncanny melee is super satisfying

[rigid schooner]

would falter on melee help shredder?

i tried with an uncanny DS4 and it was useful but i tried putting on my shock maul

[stoic thorn]

Dump stat for shotgun?

[cobalt crest]

When In doubt mobility is always a safe stat to dump

[stoic thorn]

Nvm found it

[cobalt crest]

Is it stability

[fleet garden]

FOR CADIA

[stoic thorn]

I will never be caught using anything produced by Forge world agripinaa

[dry cloak]

Why

[torn gorge]

mk1 IAG is pretty good tbh

[dry cloak]

Why would you not use the better revolver

[earnest bone]

I'd say it's stupidly strong, especially versus monstro-modifiers in Maelstrom

but that's not something really "amazing" these days

[frank ether]

kekw

[stoic thorn]

Agripinaa servitorised an entire regiment of cadians after cadia blew up

[dry cloak]

Cadians are overrated same for krieg

[stoic thorn]

So as a part of the larp session I'm not using anything agripinaa

[frank ether]

you ruined his perfectly set up bait

[earnest bone]

[dry cloak]

[cobalt crest]

Not even for a biscuit?

[stoic thorn]

What's the dump on the double barrel

[dry cloak]

Mobility

[somber axle]

I just grind penances until I have the most recent rewards unlocked

[hidden torrent]

I just got my cool blue armor and don't wear it

[somber axle]

kinda sucks that the pouch on the front clips with the lasgun but at least it's not a first person issue

[hidden torrent]

I use the old Skull event helmet, that has the blue balaclava

[somber axle]

it'd be nice if they released a more fully armoured version of the leggings and a version of the helmet that pairs the mask from the other IVth head slot item

[hidden torrent]

I want a cod piece

Especially for my Ogryn

[tawny timber]

im only halfway there

[umbral scaffold]

Is longlas even confirmed to be added in future?

[dry cloak]

No

[umbral scaffold]

I thought so, damn liars

[tawny timber]

its possible

[dry cloak]

Closest thing you have now is brown helbore

[tall torrent]

Most probably

[tawny timber]

vet prone mode when

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly i can't even imagine to play as a sniper in a game where you are raped from every direction every 3 seconds

[dry cloak]

Confirmed? No. probably be added in future? Yes.

[keen oak]

Game still gets updates?

[dry cloak]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[dry cloak]

Next one is on december 3rd

[umbral scaffold]

143 Krieg

[tawny timber]

why i cant play exec stance

skill issue

[umbral scaffold]

Hey i having kind of fun time with infantry lasgun and ex stance, u just need a ghost on it

Honestly...infantry lasgun with Ghost is pretty much the only viable choice for execitioner stance

[dry cloak]

Wrong

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cute-big-mouth-gif-16047857

[somber axle]

I've done iLas and Exe Stance a bunch for AuDamn QP and it's fine

It's not going to clean up a line of shotgunners in one shot like Plasma but you can sorta delete specials and elites really, really fast

[dry cloak]

Plasma is overrated and teaches bad habits

[somber axle]

It can teach some bad habits to new players yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Even if 2 shots for head is good enough since ghost gives you invulnerability, you can just spam weakapot hits from afar while being immune to bullets, ez win

[somber axle]

Tbh it 1 taps heads during Exe Stance for everything short of muties and you can 2 tap their heads as they run in

You just need a good melee to play can opener for Crushers, Maulers and Bulwarks

[umbral scaffold]

KNIFE FOR THE WIN

[tawny timber]

im running headhunter and deadly accurate rn

on my infantry las

[umbral scaffold]

Ghost

Put that damn ghost there

[tawny timber]

but but but guaranteed double damage crits

[umbral scaffold]

GHOST

[somber axle]

That's a fun combo and it can make it extra funny when you get a moment to just dump shots into a Plogryn head/Burgle back during Exe Stance windows

Ghost is nice for general survivability and iirc combos well with Reciprocity because shots dodged by Ghost count toward building stacks/refreshing buff

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[dry cloak]

Try bolter exe stance or boltpistol exe stance

[umbral scaffold]

Does Krieg use boltgun?

[somber axle]

Boltgun Exe Stance is probably the strongest Exe Stance build right now

Delete everything including armour

[umbral scaffold]

And yet you all bitching about plasmagun

[somber axle]

Strong burst damage vs bosses too

Plasma is just sorta boring imo

Maybe if it got a rework to make charged shots useful but it just feels so strong with almost no drawbacks right now

[dry cloak]

Because plasma is generally run with shout

[somber axle]

Yeah that's true

[tawny timber]

ok im trying ghost exe stance

[somber axle]

Boltgun Exe Stance loses the utility and survivability that VoC Plasma gets but it can burst boss weakspots well and clean up packs of Crushers better

[tawny timber]

will report

[placid portal]

If it's in the armory of the astra militarum then the kriegers likely have it

[grand perch]

Deadly accurate sounds great but doesn't do much for ilas

[placid portal]

Iags if they get deadly accurate

2.7x crit finesse

[umbral scaffold]

I literaly still can't find any source in which is described what varieties of weapons they are using, 98% is always lucius patern lasgun and shotgun

[placid portal]

Honestly boltguns we use are for arbites so it is unsure

[gritty mural]

my source is miniatures game has them with a boltgun

[placid portal]

In tabletop we have melta guns, flamers, grenade launchers, and plasmaguns

Or a krieg medic

[umbral scaffold]

No flamer, GL nor melta for vets in darktide is pretty sad

[placid portal]

Would make it too easy given how it is really good at crowd control but zealots have em lol

[umbral scaffold]

Zealot also have a ilas for some reason

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/astra-militarum/Death-Korps-Of-Krieg

I guess this has to do

[placid portal]

I mean there are krieger models kitbash for heavy bolter heavy weapons squad

After a few missions of playing Catachan Veteran
Shredder + Devil Claw.
I would say that it was an experience

I am opening up to the brrrrt pistol, it is ok at best

[umbral scaffold]

Wouldn't some autogun be better for catachan fighter?

[placid portal]

Dunno I just copied wargear off Sly Marbo who uses a modified Shredder pistol

[umbral scaffold]

So you basicly can solo entire auric maelstorm

[placid portal]

I suck 😭😭😭

[umbral scaffold]

No sly marbo for you then lmao

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/delicatekestis-wahhh-emoji-crying-sobbing-gif-1245675401267166285

[tawny timber]

update

[umbral scaffold]

That's what you get for having a fucking maul

[tawny timber]

it was actually working really well

fuck off

maul is goated

[umbral scaffold]

XD

[tawny timber]

it just has awful dodge

[umbral scaffold]

Nope

[tawny timber]

pls fatshark

[placid portal]

Dont diss my bonk stick 😠

[tawny timber]

no melee wouldve saved me from that situation

it was bad position

[umbral scaffold]

TO HELL WITH BONK STICK

[tawny timber]

like 4 gunners spaced out

i had to push 2 bursters and then got gunned down

[placid portal]

Devil claw parry spam +9 stamina curio 🗿

[umbral scaffold]

Oh no he got gunned

[tawny timber]

ion even have a +3 stam curio

[grand perch]

Same devil claw when any enemy with armour shows up

[placid portal]

Smh just crit

[tawny timber]

i shouldve utilized ghost but i went down too quick

[dry cloak]

Shield

[tawny timber]

real

[placid portal]

Quick stim would actually help in melee honestly, reduced stamina cost and instant stamina recovery is nice

[grand perch]

Quick stim is so underused imo

[umbral scaffold]

Only stim i know what is doing is med stim, i have 0 clue about others

[placid portal]

Non health booster stims are underused

[grand perch]

Yeah, sadly

[dry cloak]

Games lantern has the buffs stated

[grand perch]

Only one that sees decent use is red

[placid portal]

I have to actively run to an ogryn with combat stim to encourage him to attack the boss

[dry cloak]

Yelllow stimm is nice

[placid portal]

For shout vet true

[dry cloak]

For everyone

[umbral scaffold]

I have fear of stims because in one game they gave toxicity

[placid portal]

Glugger dont seem to benefit

[grand perch]

CDR stim should give you 1 charge of ult immediately. Currently it's often useless when you most need ult

[dry cloak]

This is not gtfo

[umbral scaffold]

HOW DID U KNOW

[placid portal]

LMAO GTFO STIMS

Addicted to yellow stims

[grand perch]

Witcher moment

[dry cloak]

Played my fair share

[placid portal]

Same, I played during beta iirc

[umbral scaffold]

damn, i played with 2 polish friends

[grand perch]

Kurwa bobr

[dry cloak]

Eh gtfo to naszyna do wkurwianio sie

[placid portal]

Nowadays I dont play it anymore 😔

[grand perch]

Ja pierdole

[dry cloak]

Nie klnij

[umbral scaffold]

I swear to god there is no better squad mates than polish guys

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[umbral scaffold]

Ja pierdole kurwa mac

https://tenor.com/view/scream-screaming-good-morning-gif-coffee-gif-9115649734246834129

[tawny timber]

this is lowkey addicting

point and click adventure with vet

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao u welcome

[dry cloak]

When most of the sentence is swear words

[grand perch]

This is 2137 chat now

[dry cloak]

Dont invoke the beast of wadowice

[umbral scaffold]

I am also an kurwa family, not polish tho

[grand perch]

Okay I invoke him then

[tawny timber]

i cant use the maul with this shit though

maul basically require voc

[dry cloak]

Thats not him

[dry cloak]

Wrong

[tawny timber]

i have a skill issue

[umbral scaffold]

U need knife

[tawny timber]

i got mogged by crushers

[grand perch]

Jan Paweł Trzeci bronił małe dzieci

[dry cloak]

You mean devil claw yes

[placid portal]

Lmao bible reference?

[placid portal]

Just dodge or delete them

[dry cloak]

Polish pope reference

[umbral scaffold]

Szukam dieci w sklepie

[placid portal]

Based

[tawny timber]

tried

had maul

las cant delete them

[placid portal]

Maybe you should look into melee weapons or krak to handle em

[dry cloak]

Pedophilia jokes with him are like 20 years old now if not older

[tawny timber]

even if i had krak it would not have been enough to kill them all tho

[placid portal]

Chaos ogryns are suffering from a krak epidemic

[tawny timber]

maul cant handle multiple crushers

[grand perch]

Jan Paweł Trzeci niszczył heretyckie śmieci.

[dry cloak]

Yes

[tawny timber]

at least not in my hands it cant

[tawny timber]

brooo

im running ds4

[grand perch]

lacerate mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[umbral scaffold]

U must have menstruation problem if affraid of lacerate

[tawny timber]

i have a lvl 28 ogryn on my team im cooked

[umbral scaffold]

U vet, ogryn your bestie

[tawny timber]

no

i make no mistakes

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[tawny timber]

only my teammates do

[grand perch]

Lacerate is just terrible

[umbral scaffold]

Nah, with render it's good

[grand perch]

You don't even profit from mercy killer on this

[umbral scaffold]

U bleed everything out

[placid portal]

Flesh tearer common W

[grand perch]

You have 2 blessings that want you to target either the head or everything else. And you ignore the awesome finesse bonus on 1

[placid portal]

Rending backstab:

[umbral scaffold]

I like it

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-meet-the-spy-butterfly-knife-backstab-gif-24836393

Me after popping infiltrate with knife

[umbral scaffold]

Based

[placid portal]

Kind weird it has 120% rending

[analog mural]

yeah especially when rending is capped at 100

[grand perch]

The extra 20% go to a charity of your choice

[placid portal]

Ofc me

[grand perch]

You're a basket case not a charity case

[placid portal]

Am poor🥹

[tawny timber]

i keep getting hit

am i bad

[placid portal]

Mayhaps

Blocking is a button

But using moves that expose you is also an issue

Gotta know when to use which

[grand perch]

You may need time to adjust. Don't forget you still need to melee a lot until you are comfortable dodging the occasional melee annoyances while doing your job shooting the heretic gunline and any specials or elites you can find time for

[tall torrent]

Nah, use flesh tearer instead

[tawny timber]

what key lets me block with lasgun

[grand perch]

Nooone

[umbral scaffold]

I always forget to block, instead i dodge and still get hit, then i am pissed off

[placid portal]

Knife has already high crit iirc?

[tall torrent]

+15% at base

[placid portal]

I always block and dodge, gotta layer your defenses like an onion

[umbral scaffold]

Will i become shrek too?

[placid portal]

No only ogryn exclusive

[umbral scaffold]

Fair enough

[placid portal]

[umbral scaffold]

Still, ogryns are besties of vets

[grand perch]

What are your feelings towards swamps and other people in it

[dry cloak]

And psykers

[umbral scaffold]

I thought vets hate psykers

[tall torrent]

Depends

[umbral scaffold]

Or maybe just cuthroat vets do

[tall torrent]

Professional doesn’t like Psykers, period

Cutthroat likes savant psyker

Loose cannon doesn’t hate Psykers

[umbral scaffold]

I never liked psykers and i am mediocre noob

[grand perch]

I don't recall any voice line like that. Do you remember one?

[stoic thorn]

WHAT THE FUCK