veteran-class

[elder fiber]

Just take middle pathing, gunkers and gunluggers who can't manage ammo are the ones who aren't teamplayers

[hearty panther]

i don't use survivalist on anything but my bolter build personally

[tall sleet]

honestly kinda based

[hearty panther]

there's more than enough ammo on the map

two crates and whatever else

[serene bough]

id really like to use move speed aura but right side of the tree is so garbage

generally speaking

[hearty panther]

what

10% melee, agile engagement, and +5% crit

its one of the hottest groupings of any tree

[serene bough]

unless you wanna take smokes then you gotta give up 3 points just to get over there assuming you're taking shredders

[hearty panther]

and its worth it

[serene bough]

eh

rather save those points for the bottom of the tree

agile is good but not required for every build

[vapid nacelle]

For Dumdum how close to an enemy is "Close Range damage"?

[elder fiber]

12 meters

[vapid nacelle]

Thank you

[tall sleet]

actually pretty far

[vapid nacelle]

yeah that's a lot more generous than I was expecting lol

[hollow ibex]

they buffed it... for reasons

a few patches back

[hearty panther]

8m was kinda too close

12.5m is kinda generous

15m is what it used to be which was comically much

[faint beacon]

Nerfed longshot 🥳

[hearty panther]

i feel like 10m is the actual magic number but w/e

[white minnow]

8m is fine in this scenario since close range damage falls off slowly to some farther distance instead of immediately disappearing at 8m

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/2BW6CVqJNdU?si=o6YThIeJP24U2290

yea maybe it just shouldn't be a universal flag

like longshot keeps getting fucked by these changes lmao

[frank basin]

Long shot should be strength

[vapid nacelle]

Do you ever just put together a build that like, feels like it's working ok but not all that great and you can tell people on your team are pulling their weight but then you look at the scoreboard and it's implying it's working really well

[fringe lake]

whats helborne lasgun dump stat?

[hearty panther]

no cause i dont use scoreboards

[vapid nacelle]

Stability

[hearty panther]

stability yea

[vapid nacelle]

..yeah, fair enough

[sleek garden]

is something wrong with longshot

[sleek garden]

if you made it to the end of the mission its usable

[vapid nacelle]

I mean.. to that end starter weapon, no curios and no build is usable, which it is, it's just not good

I get your point though

[hearty panther]

longshot only starts to give you damage when close damage ends

[sleek garden]

there is great benefit to specializing in heavy cleave/anti shooter right now because everyone is using stuff like revolver duelling sword

[hearty panther]

so it used to start giving you damage at 8m+, now it's 12.5m+

[frank basin]

You won’t kill enemy far 30m most map are enclosure you kill at close ranged

[hearty panther]

and thats pretty awful

[earnest bone]

longshot need a rework

[sleek garden]

so everyone is pokinig crushers then spending 30 minutes killing the rest

[hearty panther]

i dunno why they dont go back to the original configuration of longshot which was just + damage after 1m lol

[earnest bone]

this

maybe in 2028

[sleek garden]

i can think of lots of places in maps that have decent range

[frank basin]

Some time

[sleek garden]

also it helps a lot with lasguns

because the reverse damage falloff

even in "close range" with sniper if im at one end of the psykhanium i can one shot a scab gunner to the head with an infantry lasgun

[umbral parrot]

Soooo

WHO

IS

[sleek garden]

obaam

[umbral parrot]

HYPED FOR HAVOC~!? AHHHH

[sleek garden]

oh

yeah me

[umbral parrot]

Training arc at the moment on my end

[hearty panther]

i might actually have to start playing with some of you degenerates

[umbral parrot]

Sadly

[sleek garden]

no im training for a job dont call me that

[umbral parrot]

Man, i'm just worried

What if i'm the worst in my team? Lol

Normally, i'm better than everyone. But what if all of these super secret pros were really hiding from me

[crude fiber]

Mfw I can't get to havoc 40 with random quickplay

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-nonono-wuwa-вува-вузеринг-gif-9481277465090594494

[umbral parrot]

x3

[earnest bone]

in havoc you are going for objective

[umbral parrot]

Ain't that all missions?

[earnest bone]

its time for all kinds of pervy builds

[earnest bone]

no, in general shet you can run for scoreboard runs

or speedruns

[scenic oracle]

More penances...

[umbral parrot]

Good point.

[scenic oracle]

Havoc is gonna have the hardest penances probably

[umbral parrot]

Still~! I'm just like, hyped but also nervous. Like, what if i'm bad, and what if my team is bad. lol

[frank basin]

crime spree from payday 2

[umbral parrot]

NOW I KNOW I AM NOT BAD

I am awesome. But i don't want to be an Ogryn situation where it's a game of catch up.

[earnest bone]

Im more afraid this will end up as Winds of Magic from Vermintide 2, aka dead gamemode no one plays

[lilac kayak]

atoma elite 2.0 but for 10 missions straight + no alt f4 cheese

[umbral parrot]

40k is bigger than Fantasy.

[crude fiber]

Soft locked away from new frame cause you skill issue

[umbral parrot]

Only played Vermintide 2 a bit but it was... meh trash. To be fair, i played it within the first 2 weeks of release

So i am a bit sad i never got to fight Beastmen.

[earnest bone]

beastmen are free dlc

[umbral parrot]

But Darktide!? This is my jam and jelly! You'll always find me here slaying Heretics.

[earnest bone]

you can still fight them

[frank basin]

Beastmen pain to fight

[umbral parrot]

Yea, so what? I ain't playing VT2.

[earnest bone]

[frank basin]

From chaos waste yes

[lilac kayak]

secret pros? Like telopot level or what

[umbral parrot]

Maybe? Maybe better?

[tall sleet]

beastmen were around long before chaos wastes 🤔

[umbral parrot]

One thing's for sure.

@tall torrent, you're going to be on my Havoc team. I can trust you enough!

[frank basin]

They are free you can fight them

In chaos waste

But they are painful

[lilac kayak]

well the kicker here is that u won't be able to queue normally into a havoc so more than likely u gonna get decent ppl on havoc

[frank basin]

Pain in ass high body mass

[umbral parrot]

Yea, thankfully

[tall sleet]

pretty sure they spawn in normal maps too even if you don't own the dlc

[umbral parrot]

Too bad i'm a shy person. FRICK

Regardless, I am so hyped to use my vet. AND Plasma Gun charge up buff too!

Nuke a boss with 100% Crit sounds amazing with Weapon Specialist!

[tall sleet]

weapon specialist feels pretty amazing with plasma gun

[umbral parrot]

Honestly! I love Weapon Specialist.

[tall sleet]

same, not reloading is my favorite thing to do

[lilac kayak]

Been sleeping on demo team with shredder nade bolt pistol build for a while now

[frank basin]

Where did you found plasma buff?

[umbral parrot]

Meanwhile, me with Smoke Bombs.

Hold the phone, let me find it.

[frank basin]

I got feeling is a bait

[umbral parrot]

Better not!

[tall torrent]

I’ll see if I have time lol

[umbral parrot]

Plasma charge up shot is....aight but needs to be better

[tall torrent]

Isn’t that tintin’s troll post

[umbral parrot]

No probs. I'm just saying, i need someone who won't be dying lol.

[umbral parrot]

STOP PLEASE

NOOOO

I don't even know who Tintin is!

[lilac kayak]

hmm is there a way to adjust the hit marker sights so that they don't move when u shoot

[umbral parrot]

Yea, okay i'm not the only one who does that lol

[frank basin]

Zealot player made plasma update bait post

[umbral parrot]

Oh

Dang it.

I mean, oh well. Zealots are cool too

[frank basin]

If he put remove heat on charge up its tintin bait post

[lilac kayak]

Too much rage bait on steam n reddit forums

[frank basin]

[umbral parrot]

Must be a happy person x3

[umbral parrot]

I mean, i can't tell. I played VT2 when the game released. Did not hit the right marker.

Also, lack of customizable characters! I know people love the 5, but nothing like having me in the game. ❤️

[terse idol]

The plasma buff lies lmao

[terse idol]

reward

Whooo

[umbral parrot]

Yea i'm starting to see that lol

[terse idol]

Really thinks this

[ancient path]

what gun should i do next, veteran chat. i have helbore, combat shotgun, recon las, vigilant autogun next, and infantry lasgun left

[merry coral]

recon lasgun

[umbral parrot]

Recon's fun.

Nice

[ancient path]

aite

[lilac kayak]

las pistol

[ancient path]

is it even good? unironically

thought it was a meme weap

[merry coral]

It's good

[umbral parrot]

Why would it not be?

[pseudo fiber]

Very

[ancient path]

coo

[pseudo fiber]

it was bad for a long time

[merry coral]

I find it boring tho

[lilac kayak]

It's really good

[ancient path]

ill give it a shot

[faint beacon]

Recon enforces bad habits

It’s why it’s frowned upon

[merry coral]

the little pew pew are not doing it for me

[umbral parrot]

Problem is my index finger dies with Las Pistol.

[ancient path]

me playing combat knife / tac axe lol

[frank basin]

Full auto mod

[umbral parrot]

Nah

[pseudo fiber]

It was bad
Then there was a like 3 week period after patch 13 where it was good
Then it got nerfed again until secrets of the machine god where they were buffed again

[umbral parrot]

I'd rather not use it.

Too lazy to install more mods than what i already have.

[terse idol]

Its meh

Because you gotta spend

Alot of talent points

[lilac kayak]

make shredder great again

[terse idol]

(And theoretically not even going keystone)

[pseudo fiber]

Soon I hope

[lilac kayak]

the best meta wep before patch 13

[terse idol]

Because you need THAT many supporting talents

Like if you go keystoneless recon it's fun

[umbral parrot]

Ain't that the case for all Lasguns?

[terse idol]

No

[umbral parrot]

!?

[terse idol]

You take mf

Exe, mf

Or like

Yeah

[merry coral]

you can very much use lasgun without keystone

[terse idol]

But you gain value with it

The recon needs every talent it can get

[umbral parrot]

Define MF

[frank basin]

Marksman focus

[ancient path]

recon plays with marksma nfocus?

was gunna do focus target

[merry coral]

you can do both honestly

[frank basin]

You score lot headshot since recon has no recoil

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea, that's true.

[frank basin]

Hip firing make spread a lot

[umbral parrot]

Done with my Breakfast. See you guys in game losers.

[merry coral]

hot take but I like the jacket on the shop

[lilac kayak]

I'm curious if I ever met u in game

[umbral parrot]

I only play Westcoast.

You may have seen me trash talk here and there a few times lol

[candid agate]

damn i love b-vii-v-f

[lilac kayak]

indeed I have

[umbral parrot]

Heck yea!

You know what i love about trash talking? When someone stands up to you. That means they must have the skills to back it up! That's how you get good team8s!

[lilac kayak]

wait the helmet mask variant on vet is out?

[terse idol]

No

[candid agate]

no its for the drip

[terse idol]

Recon plays with no keystone

At least that's how I've built it

You gotta take

Every single damage talent

[errant carbon]

You need almost-keystones from all 3 branches lmao

[terse idol]

Infantry lasgun plays with MF

[umbral parrot]

Have we met before? Kinda looking around for a HAVOC team lol.

[gilded wraith]

I run the mk 14 with focus target.

[terse idol]

Yeah I just believe it benefits most from your distribution than any with focus target

[merry coral]

agreed

[gilded wraith]

Rending Strikes right to the doorstep.

[frank basin]

Is havoc have public matchmaking or you’re suppose pre-made team?

[earnest bone]

premade only

[lilac kayak]

Don't think so but I'd be willing to join your team

[candid agate]

isnt it gonna use that party finder system

[umbral parrot]

Hyped!

[frank basin]

Yeah they wasted that feature

[umbral parrot]

You're going to see the 2nd best Melee Vet out there!

[earnest bone]

its just grouping tool, its not a (auto)matchmaking one

[frank basin]

Party finder dead on water already when you have lfg in discord

[earnest bone]

[regal belfry]

by old faithfull shove skin was the spike always there?

[candid agate]

yeah the steam Q&A says they intend the party finder to be used more for this

[lilac kayak]

Jack of all trades tbh tho more of a zealot main

[candid agate]

so i can still not use discord for anything i do

[lilac kayak]

I'd think it would help if the party finder was in the mission menu ngl

[frank basin]

I would be goodf feature to join ongoing mission rather queue up matchmaking

[lilac kayak]

Doesn't it do the same depending on your luck? Or are u referring to havoc specifically

[frank basin]

General remake party finder

For regular mission

You join ongoing progress on specific matches

As you can select

[umbral parrot]

#zealot-class is over here tho

JK

[lilac kayak]

It'd be nice but you'd think that ppl looking for a group would tend to stick to the group till end of match, especially for havoc since there's more at stake

[frank basin]

Party finder just ghosted

[umbral parrot]

Nver used it before

[frank basin]

Nobody using it. For discord lfg they use for havoc

[candid agate]

if a game like GTFO can have matchmaking then havoc could have matchmaking imo

[umbral parrot]

No way

[frank basin]

Copy clipboard and join someone

[umbral parrot]

Don't have stupid idiots playing Havoc lol

[regal belfry]

which one would you use

[tame lodge]

Oh mostly ranged maelstrom is kinda

[candid agate]

but thats the only kind of players in public lobbies

[terse idol]

Wish I could punch with the krieg sabre

[tame lodge]

Underwhelming

[terse idol]

Is that in the store rn?

[lilac kayak]

Is the party finder lobby based or server wide?

[regal belfry]

an other special for stun

[short fern]

@green siren since you asked

[frank basin]

Lobby

Sort of

[regal belfry]

aquilan is in store the death korps i own already

[lilac kayak]

That's stupid af

[frank basin]

Never know I seen one team looking

In party finder

And never see again

Go back check party finder is empty

Forever

[lilac kayak]

Zealot enjoyer but actually have the most play time on ogryn

[green siren]

@short fern

[short fern]

Interesting alright ty

[candid agate]

wait how good is rending strikes for a recon build

[earnest bone]

?

[green siren]

DANG

didn't see it

[earnest bone]

[tame lodge]

Okay ish
Specially paired with Onslaught

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-gif-915939341735819264

[candid agate]

well i dont have onslaught so i might get rid of it then

[tame lodge]

Your call

[candid agate]

hmm does knife need it?

[umbral parrot]

Saaaaame! ! !!

I hate the fact that Ogryn is meh without Pickaxe and Slab Shield for melee builds.

[tame lodge]

I think Rending Strike is pretty important on melee weapons yeah

[umbral parrot]

HAVOC... this is where the best of the best, the strongest, toughest and meanest play at. lol

[tame lodge]

Too see if it actually needs it I'd check the guide, but I'm having net problems rn

[green siren]

and u can put these 2 points wherever you like @short fern

[candid agate]

guide doesnt say rending strikes is necessary

[green siren]

they are cringe

[candid agate]

but it also says trench is needed and ive been fine using knife without it

[green siren]

where is trench

[green siren]

well

it's a good node

but i would pick it only if u go for weapons specialist keystone

because you want to dive that deep into that branch just for attackspeed - it stops being that seducing

[trim lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

They both look awesome

To me, that's good enough. ❤️

"Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!"

• your typical Commissar
  Dawn of War II: Retribution

[green siren]

default one

[umbral parrot]

Squilan Blade.

Having bones on your weapon is silly

[regal belfry]

sure, stashes the betalis night weapons away

[umbral parrot]

NOW if a skull is painted onto it, it's cooler.

I know people hated the last rotation of Cosmetics. But we needed Black Weapons SOOOOOOOO bad

[candid agate]

a skull demonstrates your ability to kill people, so therefore an actual skull is better than a painted one

[umbral parrot]

Holding Skulls = Heretic fashion

I ain't no heretic

[candid agate]

mate

have you seen the imperium?

[umbral parrot]

I

[trim lantern]

I know, right!
[continues sewing a sweater with a skull on it]

[umbral parrot]

AIN'T

NO

HERETIC

[trim lantern]

Fr, I just love how chat suddenly started going:

https://tenor.com/view/evil-are-we-the-baddies-surprised-gif-19176339

It feels like rewatching that episode IRL. XD

[umbral parrot]

See! Not a single skull in sight.

[trim lantern]

"If it's anything the heretics have proven thus far, it's that they're in DIRE need of a shower!"

[umbral parrot]

Damn i love that free cosmetic uniform. Best one

LIKE, i literally don't need anything else! Black Inqusitorial armor looks clean

[silent cloud]

this is the best cosmetic for veteran

Besides,it is easy to get.FS really did some goodthings

[stoic pasture]

I'm kinda new to the game. I'm playing veteran and I wanna use a sword as my melee.. which should I pick? (except the dueling sword, since I'm not too familiar with all the movement tech)

[umbral parrot]

Shocked there's not more people using it

[stoic pasture]

Or should i just stick to combat axe

[umbral parrot]

What ever you feel most comfortable and fun i'd say.

What are you looking for in a Sword?

[regal belfry]

i like free one more

[umbral parrot]

Pants don't match up with uniform and lame gloves

[stoic pasture]

I don't know anything about the meta... but I figured I'd use melee to thin down hordes, and my gun to kill elites and stuff

[pseudo fiber]

"lame gloves"?

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1305221600622149724/image.png?ex=67436157&is=67420fd7&hm=e8a9e23cdc4d8983eea955c148ce235ad7ed181b215309f5f310414264e8a162&

I want heavy armor

[regal belfry]

this is heavy

[umbral parrot]

Use the Jungle Sludge cammo.

[frank basin]

Rashad combat axe

[frank basin]

I don’t think I brought it

That armor is old

[umbral parrot]

WHY!? It's LITERALLY THE KASRKIN COLORSS!

[frank basin]

First red armor back in 2023

I brought them

[umbral parrot]

You get heavy top and bottom.

GASP LATE COMER!? Noooo

Now i see why Rotations suck!

[frank basin]

I only had 300 aqulias left

Not gonna spend more

That cadian armor is latest

So I use the pant hair with red

[umbral parrot]

This is heavy armor

Oh wait.... wrong image. This one does not have the arm guards.

Oh well, still. Camo Sludge.

[scenic oracle]

Looks cool still

[regal belfry]

cuts through your forearm

[compact marsh]

*sad gasmask noises*

[umbral parrot]

Stop! I literally have this one too!

[frank basin]

Yeah I seen this

I didn’t bother buying it (it means I didn’t buy it)

[silent cloud]

I mean,the armor

[earnest bone]

There's no movement tech, use Dueling Sword 4, spam light attacks vs trash and use heavy pokes vs elites, specials and bosses - aim for weakspot (headshot)

[umbral parrot]

Boooo~! Guess you're waiting for an all green one right?

[frank basin]

Eh I keep old armor

Some guy give compliment about my color has own meaning in Ork

Red fast black smart and green best

[umbral parrot]

You ain't an Ork! ! !

[frank basin]

[vapid nacelle]

Finally stopped being lazy and put together the veteran build

Starter shovel, starter infantry lasgun, frag grenades, exe stance

fun time ensues

[frank basin]

You play as the veteran?

[vapid nacelle]

I concur

There is no being more veteran than this

Went all the way with theme and took Marksman's Focus too lmao

[frank basin]

I’m no sniper and more like magdumper

Due to my nature loving machine gun

[vapid nacelle]

well can't use any other gun with this build

[frank basin]

The recon can

[vapid nacelle]

OG Veteran build using starter weapons

and no others

[frank basin]

The tutorial weapon

[vapid nacelle]

which means Mk I shovel and Mk VII Infantry Lasgun

[tough flower]

MK1 shovel is honestly not a bad weapon

[vapid nacelle]

oh absolutely

I have no issue with the shovel

to me it kinda feels like the veteran holy grail lol

The infantry lasgun is gonna be the interesting part of it

[tough flower]

Is it the balanced one you start with?

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

the VII

[tough flower]

Sounds like a mostly melee build

[vapid nacelle]

I'm taking the default passive stuff too

[tough flower]

With las for removal of far away issues

[vapid nacelle]

that being Frags, Survivalist and Executioner's Stance

[tough flower]

And you said marksman's focus?

This sounds masochistic

[vapid nacelle]

just to stay in theme because why not

it's mostly left side anyway

though I tried to also branch out to some perks that Vet used to also run frequently before the class rework update

[tough flower]

Idk maybe the VII lasgun has enough fire rate to land the weakspot hits necessary to let you move with marksman's still up

At that point I'd go no keystone

[vapid nacelle]

Trying it out against some trials with creature spawner and honestly this just feels pretty alright

[tough flower]

Exec Stance is perfectly fine

[vapid nacelle]

It's exactly what I expected it to be

Perfectly okay at handling everything

[tough flower]

My line infantry guardsman uses a helbore las

Since I can more comfortably just blast away at anything at range

[vapid nacelle]

this is what I threw together, please be sure to judge my abomination as harshly as possible because I suck 👍 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d8f40ee-5fc0-4dac-a94c-903807d0b3aa/dd-2

auric mael of course

[idle swallow]

I've been doing krieg style with exe stance slow shooting helbore and mk1 shovel, think I'm mentally broken because I actually like it

[vapid nacelle]

Curios are just what I usually run that's obviously preferential

the perks on the gun are just what got the most breakpoints for this build in testing

[tough flower]

This is pretty much what I do

Except MKVI shovel

The middle one, whatever. New names are still fuzzy for me.

[vapid nacelle]

I have to admit this weapon's breakpoints feel pretty nice with long range assassin but it's also still kind of a pick your poison deal

Unarmoured one shots the yellow gunners with long range assassin, Maniac one shots Flamers, Maniac + Elite* one shots Ragers, all without Exec stance active

nevermind the ragers one is false

there is no poison to be picked

[tough flower]

Da hemlock or da anthrax for today

[vapid nacelle]

what's hemlock

[tough flower]

Poisonous flower

[vapid nacelle]

I meant in this context

or is that the context

[tough flower]

You said pick your poison

Oh

Hmm

[scenic oracle]

I'd try to fit in onslaught so you can take down crushers but I think it's fine other than that

[vapid nacelle]

this build has no issues with crushers

[scenic oracle]

Not being able to kill crushers can be annoying

[vapid nacelle]

at all

Frags stagger them all and Uncanny Shovel can handle them just fine

It takes a few hits to do it but it's not too unreasonable given the shovel's pretty mobile

[tough flower]

I may need to revisit basic shovel

Though I like one tapping ragers with the MKVI special

[vapid nacelle]

it is really solid

it's just kinda good

except for boss damage of course

[broken spade]

Surely all those toughness nodes at the top are overkill

confirmed kill should be enough

[vapid nacelle]

They might be but we are trying to go for the OG veteran vibe and OG veteran was basically immortal vs shooters

if I remember right Executioner's Stance gave you like -75% ranged toughness damage reduction or something

snipers did like 100 damage

[scenic oracle]

Also no block efficiency? I usually take at least one in case I'm back into a corner with a boss

[broken spade]

yeah it was busted

[vapid nacelle]

There is one block efficiency on the middle

or at least there should be

unless I messed it up lol

[broken spade]

if you stacked toughness and sniper res, back then you could straight up tank a sniper with toughness only

[scenic oracle]

Reading issue

[fading yarrow]

???

[vapid nacelle]

he's trying to play the damn game

but yeah

Confirmed Kill was in OG vet's kit and so was Exhilarating Takedown I'm pretty sure

[broken spade]

it was but I dont think most people grabbed exhilerating takedown

[vapid nacelle]

and I have Out for Blood just because I like throwing a grenade and suddenly being at 100% but that might just be a preferential thing

yeah

because you could only pick one of that column

[broken spade]

wasn't that the node that used to nerf you too?

like the toughness dr was actually negative and it just made you take more damage

[pseudo fiber]

the one two from the left at the start

[broken spade]

Anyways, if this is the OG vet, where's the power sword?

[vapid nacelle]

okay this is like ancient

[vapid nacelle]

I'm using the starter weapons

not like, OG META vet

just OG vet

meta stuff kinda incidental

okay yeah some of that is insanely outdated

confirmed kill was not 50% when I joined that's insane

frag storm was like 6 bleed I think

[broken spade]

Confirmed kill was like that for a long time

was so busted

[vapid nacelle]

sounds like it lol

I just know it wasn't that when I joined

I don't remember how much it was

[clear lantern]

munitorium sapper shuvel mk 1 shuvel and kantrael mk IX

starter weapons

[vapid nacelle]

IX? I thought it was VII

or is the name changing stuff doing its thing

seriously why did they change the names

[clear lantern]

probably the mark changes

the medium one

[vapid nacelle]

yeah this is the medium one ok

I thought I was about to have to breakpoint test all over again 😭

[frank basin]

The old name middle is Mk1a

[clear lantern]

maybe one day vet will get their "auto reload on career skill usage" talent back

[vapid nacelle]

I miss this so much

but also lock it to Executioner's Stance because Shout Vets don't need more buffs I think

[frank basin]

Their feats was called “Sustain fire”

[clear lantern]

jungle-rigging mags

you'd duct-tape two mags together so it was a really quick magswitch

[frank basin]

Auto reload on ability cast was my fantasy being machine gunning magdump

[vapid nacelle]

ngl I'm enjoying long range assassin a lot more than I should

[short fern]

do you guys think supression immunity is worth on boltgun

[vapid nacelle]

I don't feel like Suppression Immunity is worth it in general

[tall torrent]

No

It depends on the gun you’re using

[short fern]

on recon lasgun I found it useful

on boltgun I am thinking no

[scenic oracle]

It's a little overkill

[short fern]

I got one point left idk

[vapid nacelle]

elite damage, toughness or demo team depending on what nade you have are my votes

[short fern]

shredder frag garbo

[ocean idol]

I only really started playing vet after they added plenty of melee talents

[vapid nacelle]

frag is fantastic

I'd personally go demo team with that

but otherwise

[short fern]

alright

[vapid nacelle]

elite or toughness is never bad

[short fern]

I feel like I am prone to dying so prob toughness then

[hearty panther]

this is from like, alpha

[vapid nacelle]

15% might get a breakpoint you wouldn't otherwise but ngl

[scenic oracle]

It knocks over everything, big clutch plays

[vapid nacelle]

I have never used a bolt gun

[hearty panther]

funny to read again

[vapid nacelle]

literally never

so my advice on that is

flawed, to put it lightly

[clear lantern]

Frag+grenadier+demolition stockpile+grenade tinkerer

[vapid nacelle]

ew no

no tinkerer

[broken spade]

frag nades are good for clearing the area if you throw two

cause of the way bleed stacks

[scenic oracle]

If you wanna fuck around with it, recently I found out lethal proximity affects grenades

[vapid nacelle]

I mean they're good even if you throw one, the rest of the horde that survives is almost certainly gonna die to one body shot after with most melees

[scenic oracle]

You can do some funny stuff with that

[vapid nacelle]

oh yeah I use this

I use bolt pistol

wait are you saying bolt pistol or the heavier one

[scenic oracle]

Oh I haven't used the heavier one

[frank basin]

LP and Tinkerer go bigger boom

[frank basin]

Boltpistol

[hollow ibex]

Grenadier build is the shit

[frank basin]

It has Lethal proximity

[vapid nacelle]

okay that makes it much more clear

[umbral parrot]

I love good team8s~! ❤️

[vapid nacelle]

I thought you were talking the magdump boltgun

[clear lantern]

with tinkerer (+25% radius/damage) and lethal proximity, one typically does the trick, but if you get twinned blast you could just do that automatically 1/5 times; I don't because it doesn't animate with a backflip

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-gif-23637850

[vapid nacelle]

I had to dig it up but this is whatever I threw together a while ago for boltpistol grenadier

as always judge me as harsh as possible because I suck at builds 👍

[scenic oracle]

Weapon specialist grenadier is the way to go imo

[lilac kayak]

twin blast for more fun

🙂

[scenic oracle]

How do you get it zoomed out like that?

[errant carbon]

20% of the time, it works every time

[vapid nacelle]

Using the mod "Smaller Talent Tree"

I have the Veteran tree set to scale 0.42

[scenic oracle]

Nice, easier than sending 3 screenshots

[vapid nacelle]

let's go gambling!

[vapid nacelle]

If you want exact scales (at least, the ones that have been working for me) for all the class trees, Veteran and Psyker are 0.42, Ogryn and Zealot are 0.38

[trim lantern]

Me when I throw two Grenades for the cost of 1:

https://tenor.com/view/tako-takodachi-ina-ninomae-bad-gif-26696539

[gilded wraith]

Working on a Havok build. Primary goal is team support, so fairly locked in on Voice of Command, Survivalist, and Focus Target. Debating on where to put the last talent point between: Bring It Down, Superiority Complex, Target Down, Demolition Team, Field Improvisation.

Rashad and Recon MK14 for weapons

[vapid nacelle]

I'm gonna advocate for Field Improvisation for Frag Bomb ogryns

Rending Strike is an unusual choice

[gilded wraith]

Shows as recommended for both the recon and the rashad in Path's guide

[vapid nacelle]

idk the difference is tiny so I never take it

but if you find it works go for it

but yeah

if support is the goal

[gilded wraith]

I'll play around in the arena with and without

[vapid nacelle]

Field Improvisation is like, THE support talent to take other than shout and scavenger

I don't know what havoc will entail but even now it's like

so many times I've played my Ogryn while I have 2 vets on the team and neither have field improv and I WISH they did

on modifiers where you get enhanced grenades, so ogryn gets 3 frag bombs

it is REALLY good

[broken spade]

imagine havoc just has no crates

[vapid nacelle]

😭

[gilded wraith]

Hah, level 2 havok modifier... Crateless Chaos

[tall torrent]

It’s usually not worth

Because of a couple things

[frank basin]

When args and paradise told is mandatory

That’s was funny

[uncut pebble]

Most vet builds do not have the points to grab field improv.

[tall torrent]

1. You usually don’t take enough corruption damage (near 1 full wound) to require the healing effect

[uncut pebble]

Especially on builds with taxing weapons like knife.

[tall torrent]

2. Only 2 other builds outside of veteran actually care about grenade pickups (fire nade, frsg bomb)

[tall torrent]

Nah most builds have like 1 free point

But it’s usually better spent in smth else

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but if your choice is field improv or something like bring it down, rending strikes, etc, you're not taking field improv for the reasons you noted.

[hearty panther]

you dont take it anyway

[uncut pebble]

Especially when one of those talents could meet a bp.

[hearty panther]

because your team will be two tknife zealots and a psyker

[uncut pebble]

Get this man a true.

[scenic oracle]

Redirect fire wouldn't be bad either, 7.5% damage for you and your teammates, 12% damage if you take focused fire

[hearty panther]

and youre already juiced to the tits with self-regen for grenades

[frank basin]

Per chances?

[hearty panther]

so it serves zero purpose in like, 80% of team comps

[tall torrent]

I think it’s only worth considering with a premade team in a mission where you know you’ll likely get the full benefit out of this talent

Which is not generally applicable

[hearty panther]

yea like an ogrynheimer

its also a complete fucking wash for grimoires since it'll just eat the entire kit

[tall torrent]

Idk abt its viability in havoc because idk what havoc will play like

[vapid nacelle]

I take it so I can use the ammo box singlehandedly and throw 15 grenade in short succession (there is no scenario where this is needed)

[frank basin]

I don’t see tknife zealot in my match that often sometime stun storm or immolation

[uncut pebble]

Especially with brainlet ogryns that won't get out of the fucking medpack range.

God, pubber ogryns infuriate me.

[vapid nacelle]

agreed

[frank basin]

570 hp ogryn here

[uncut pebble]

"Ate a medpack once... 'andle and all."

Like of course you did you oversized brute, fucking move so the psyker doesn't die.

[frank basin]

Sometime I try spam ping they don’t listen

I have to type out chat to make them pay attention

[vapid nacelle]

often a time the team is beyond saving

I still like field improv idk

[tall torrent]

There aren’t many modes where you are very likely to die from corruption

[vapid nacelle]

even if the team doesn't use it much I still usually get value out of it

[tall torrent]

I think the corruption heal effect is best when you’re at like

Almost fully corrupted 1 wound

But you have a medkit

That’s like the best case scenario

But that doesn’t happen, a lot

[frank basin]

When beacon of purity is present

[tall torrent]

If field improv increased the max capacity of medkits I’d rate it higher

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

but also so many times during missions where I wish I had grenades but there's no improv ammo box

like uh

there's one map I'm trying to remember the name

Silo Cluster, the end event

I get so many pub groups that wipe there

and being able to just throw a bunch of grenades when I usually inevitably run out trying to save it all is definitely a run saver lol

it's a strange case where like usually it's not insanely impactful

but then there's the countless times where it would be but none of the vets in the party have it for whatever likely valid reason.. so might as well be the vet that has it

[serene bough]

I always try and take field improv

[vapid nacelle]

sometimes it's just not feasible

[scenic oracle]

You only need one with field improv anywho

[vapid nacelle]

too tight in some builds to get it

or rather a lot of builds

[scenic oracle]

They made it team wide right?

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

but there's a lot of matches you'll end up with no one with it

[serene bough]

Id argue if you can grab demo stockpile (which you always should) then you can probably lose a point elsewhere for field improv

But builds/breakpoints may vary so it's a pretty build dependent discussion

[scenic oracle]

So one vet takes field improv, the others don't have to cause it doesn't matter lol

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

but then like

you have to communicate that with people beforehand

and no one in pugs is doing that unfortunately

in havoc though I can see that

[scenic oracle]

Eh idk if it's confirmation bias but, whenever I play veteran I usually see more veterans, same with the other classes. Like I'll go multiple matches without seeing ogryn but then switch to ogryn and there will be 3 ogryns in the team.

[scenic oracle]

This is relevant to the one vet needing field improv lol

[lusty sapphire]

wishing for improv ammo box nades is like wishing for a box of nades. No more no less cause they both have to spawn in a match and you have to find them. The added benefit is that you can deploy it if you find one. Demo team comparatively nets more nades cause you never run out of enemies to kill

[vapid nacelle]

kinda build dependent but fair

[lilac kayak]

imagine no medstations as a havoc modifier

[frank basin]

What about med stim?

[vapid nacelle]

I have exactly one build that doesn't have demo team and all of the ones that do have field improv

[fast sundial]

someone enlighten me, what's up with the ranged zealots i keep seeing pop up?

[vapid nacelle]

I am seeing several people typing and I am worried I have spouted heresy

[serene bough]

I mean sure if you're doing a pre-made only one person needs, but you can't guarantee in randoms

Its just universally a great node to have, wound heal & shredders spam is great for emergencies

[fast sundial]

if your take is that field improv is good then yeah heresy outside of specifically twins

[gilded wraith]

That's a good one as well! Minor damage boost to the entire party with brain cells (coherency). Should help with a few break points as well and improve total party damage.

[vapid nacelle]

I guess I'm a heretic

[lusty sapphire]

I like shooting things

[lilac kayak]

stims too

no more stim buffs as a havoc modifier

[fast sundial]

okay but if i see you with more ranged than melee damage i will still look at you funny

[frank basin]

Death is common then

Get hogtied

[lusty sapphire]

It's aight cause i know what I'm doing. Can't say for the other ranged zealots you see tho

[vapid nacelle]

does Born Leader activate even if you're already at full toughness

[lusty sapphire]

I think it did if I'm not mistaken

[gilded wraith]

I believe it does. I think it also buffs VoC.

At least for everyone else in the party.

[vapid nacelle]

okay cool I'll use it for this meme build then

[lilac kayak]

I only look at range ppl funny when they shoot anything other than specialist n elites n boss

[lusty sapphire]

I started using ranged zealot cause i'm tired of people not shooting the shooters

[fast sundial]

but is it boltgun

[lusty sapphire]

Recon works wonders due to ammo pool and how fast you can switch to it

[fast sundial]

do you magdump anything vaguely threatening

[lilac kayak]

well tbh it depends on how ammo effiecient the weapon is or your a psyker

[frank basin]

30 shooters in the room

[lusty sapphire]

I still prefer knife headshots and magdumping ogryns with the boltgun

[lilac kayak]

just slide n move along no problem at all 🤡

[frank basin]

You’re the zealot much easier

[vapid nacelle]

instructions unclear, random groaner hit and stunned me and I'm now on the floor

[frank basin]

Mixed elite and shooter happen

[lusty sapphire]

I'm so mad at the running attack going through your dodge and having janky reach

[frank basin]

shooter do scatter places

[vapid nacelle]

so many times.

so many times on my vet I have walked into a bunch of gunner fire to throw a grenade

[lusty sapphire]

It's always that odd poxwalker or bruiser

[vapid nacelle]

just for a groaner to sneak up and stun me and get me killed

and usually before i throw the grenade so i don't even pull it off

It's made me appreciate Get Back in the Fight a little more

[frank basin]

I get overwhelming seeing number ranged enemy scatter around giving me panic need kill them quick before they start shooting

[candid agate]

so like this or are they too ordered?

[frank basin]

If they clutter it up easier to deal with, I hate them sneaking when scattering around.

[candid agate]

agreed, feels hard to decide who to shoot in the moment

[frank basin]

Dark environment and fog too

[candid agate]

i love dark environments personally

[lilac kayak]

I've ingrained my brain into dodging the moment I hear that hit detector from behind audio cue so your run of the mill groaner or bruiser can rarely get the jump from behind

[candid agate]

the flashlight being useful makes it feel like the cinematic trailer with those 4 guardsman

[frank basin]

I was a psyker in fog modifier

[lilac kayak]

if theres too many, just kite back into a narrower corridor or something so u can funnel those pesky shooters instead of u chasing every one ofem

[frank basin]

That’s what I do standing narrow place or taking cover. Say one ascension stair waiting lot shooter pop out I just duck against on cover just thing scab bomber force me out the place, dealing some trash melee enemy i would do crab walk dodge left and right

Good thing zealot is a frontliner

Dealt with it

Open area is bad for me

Shooter have upper high ground for like area where gigantic fan

[lilac kayak]

depends but open area can be made easier depending on your team composition tho I tend to not rely on teammates anyway

Ex: bubble psyker or book zealot

[frank basin]

I remember I got myself killed when scab melee body blocking me and shotgunner right front me shooting giving the dodge dancing until I couldn’t keep up. I was left behind a little bit

Just unfortunate

[lilac kayak]

nades are your best friend / panic button

shredder to be specific

[frank basin]

It does, too bad I’m busy meleeing very close I might be surrounded once

I don’t remember was I run sniper smoke or machine gunner shredder

[lilac kayak]

that's why u try to kite around the horde in a circle or kite back if theres a mix horde

[regal smelt]

nothing gets me off more than activating exe stance and having the whole screen turn yellow

[candid agate]

hearing the amount of beeps go off is so heavenly

[frank basin]

Tbf I sometime suck at aiming only missed 1-2 shot but not that bad.

They also taking cover

Which I just stand here waiting then pop out

My exe stance might go off if that target didn’t pop out

[vapid nacelle]

I rolled a Smite Psyker in my team for this mostly ranged

is the run cooked

[frank basin]

From zealot perspective; yes

Idk about other

They call smite psyker a “smyker”

Genuinely if they don’t smite everything they are fine

No smiting bosses

[orchid hemlock]

Most sane League content:

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-22164679

Hello orcka

[orchid hemlock]

Hello

[serene bough]

Pls no league

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-activate-freak-mode-jarvis-iron-man-jarvis-iron-man-freak-mode-jarvis-freak-mode-gif-4119638440159976734

[spark helm]

If they're not running into bullets, that's actually really good for yall compared to brain rupture

[vapid nacelle]

I have to admit I doubted them like I do with most smite psykers but this one actually pulled their own weight for once so that was refreshing

[trim lantern]

Imo, Smite Support Psykers are underrated MVPs. ❤️

[vapid nacelle]

sometimes.

[trim lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/teardown-explosion-a10-warthog-brrrt-gif-26122506

[trim lantern]

Me after a Psyker Smites a horde

[vapid nacelle]

Sometimes they're pretty good

A lot of the time they.. aren't

[errant carbon]

Smite Psyker is like Knife Zealot: They can be good. Very good to have, even, when things have gone a bit fucky. But for various reasons it attracts and possibly induces brainrot.

[trim lantern]

I disagree only on the context that I know what I'm doing with Smite, but still don't know how to use a knife for shit. XD

[frank basin]

Smitrot

[trim lantern]

Tries to practice using the Knife to make my sprinting sprintier
I belly flop into Scabs who don't give a f-

[fortnitesquadmatedown.sound]

Because if we're comparing it to brainrot, I'll double down full throttle on the irony of it all.

[compact marsh]

Really wish you could attach a bayonet to the other rifles, at least the other patterns of lasgun, rather than just the Lucius-pattern.

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/R_sgdiLPlbo?si=-HddwIBtpFHXw6gB

[frank basin]

Oooh interesting

[orchid hemlock]

Me when Mister E delivers a "joke":

[frank basin]

How bad mister e?

I seen his few video I don’t know much of him

[empty root]

whats the fundemental difference between plasma gun and bolter, they feel like the same gun

[frank basin]

Plasma has heat

[orchid hemlock]

The top Darktide content creator atm

[frank basin]

Bolter got full auto 15 round mag dumping

[frank basin]

Wow,

[empty root]

so bolter has more burst than plasma gun

[frank basin]

Yes. There thing plasma can shoot though ogryn bulwark shield

[empty root]

like what am i doing better when i take a plasma gun vs when i take a bolter

[frank basin]

Bolter

[empty root]

i get mechanically they are different but it feels they accomplish the exact same thing

[frank basin]

Plasma light attack spam is what people do it get boring some known player here told

Charge attack like non existence because they consider useless

Boltgun other hand flavorful for boss damaging

Kill special and elites

[empty root]

whats a good melee weapon to pair with bolter

[frank basin]

Nice on horde clearing

[frank basin]

Uhhh there’s particular guy who main rashad

The combat axe

He dedicate to it

[empty root]

rashad combat axe?

[frank basin]

Like a spot light for him

[hollow ibex]

rashad is very strong, but you have to be willing to spend talent points to make it work

[spark helm]

Main thing that people tend to mess up with knife is their overall fundamental defense. High mobility weapons, in part, add a sort of leeway for players that haven't learned how to manage their defensive dodges, positioning, etc. If someone who just likes that sort of weapon anyway and it's the one they have the most experience upfront with, they'll perform well enough in lower difficulties usually. Eventually, though, once they get into the standard heresy to auric damnation difficulties, all those gaps in one's play are fatal. Couple that with most knife builds having synergy with often the squishier side of defenses (barring knife ogryn in a way but they count too) and you get plenty of people that haven't developed their skills and judgement and just go down back to back.

And, of course, stealth knife builds are using stealth mechanics. For people with much less experience that want to play like that, they often conflate invisibility with invincibility while still needing to get their fundamentals up. At that point in my experience, they end up either being fine but not as effective as they could be, or an easy down because they don't use stealth as proactively as they think they are.

[somber adder]

Plasma has a way easier time to hit targets. Just aim in the general direction of an enemy and you're good. Bolter shits out damage way faster with the drawback of having to reload which the plasma really doesn't.
Plasma is more consistent across the entire mission in taking out elites and specials (especially bulwarks and crushers) but Bolter has the upside of being a panic button and evaporizing the entire screen of ragers in front of you in 1.5 seconds

Plus you kill any boss in two magazines with the bolter

[timber herald]

Just curious, would a 70/70 not work nearly as well or is it close enough?

[winter grove]

Oh my fucking god

😭

70/70 would not work

[timber herald]

Alright, back to the

I figured

[winter grove]

A MONTH OLD MESSAGE

[timber herald]

Someone said check the pins but the pins are kind of unclear, your random comment was the only one that explained the rolls lol

[kindred stump]

Haven't played in a while, which chainsword? Also which chainaxe?

[trim lantern]

"Why does gun shoot red stuph and not boolet?"

"I'm new to 40k, pls halp."

• Mr. Stromann

[terse idol]

The one pin regarding the vet guide

[timber herald]

I usually don't need spoon feeding but I don't know why this class has like 10 seperate google docs

[trim lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/because-its-fun-cory-coach-cory-brawl-stars-its-entertaining-kind-of-fun-gif-22648451

[timber herald]

[trim lantern]

People enjoy sharing "why they enjoy [this] by doing [that]" all the time.

Nothing new, nothing dated. ❤️

[timber herald]

Why use many words when few words do trick?

[trim lantern]

For starters, it doesn't always take "few" words.

[fading yarrow]

I have queries for those with mods: is it right that y'all can launch whatever mission you want? If so, can you do the same with Aurics, too?

[trim lantern]

Wdym?

[timber herald]

I think it just lets you load the last set that fell off the mission table but I could be wrong, haven't used it myself

Since that map session persists for a bit longer than the mission table actually shows

[sage token]

emprah protects

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5gWalh1NSuI?si=vnJkLH_34Uh1m2I_

Oh no

Jeficus came back to make trash builds again

😭

[tame lodge]

(I have no idea who Jeficus is though)

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh he actually is telling me to stack stamina for deadshot

This guy can't be real

[terse idol]

I meeeannn

Its useful

[faint beacon]

Excels at all these things

except

being a fucking ammo vacuum

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh he's magdumping a spawn directly in the head, and he STILL is taking forever to kill it

Imagine if u unironically did that in a real game

That spawn literally will down u in 5 seconds

Nah this guy can't be serious

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d799ecb-e636-48b3-b088-df38d767c119/recon-lasgun-jeficus?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[arctic rampart]

No. There's a useful related mod. Helps you load in quicker, don't have to go to the ship and walk around for vendors / training / etc. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/89

[merry coral]

wtf is that shit

[arctic rampart]

no precision strikes? I personally can't stand deadshot builds. is recon XIV at least th eone that lets you hipfire most of the time?

[tame lodge]

No precision

[arctic rampart]

Invigorated instead of demo team, etc... hmm not for me

If you want to kill monstro fast y not dueling sword instead of knife

[merry coral]

Knife does insane amount of bleed damage on bosses tho

[arctic rampart]

Maybe I never did enough runs with it. It gives me the heebie jeebies to be knife range from them

[merry coral]

Better on zealot tho but still

[arctic rampart]

weapon specialist also seems odd.. you'd think that build would be better left or middle tree ult

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh he's coping soo hard

He's shooting a spawn standing still in the Psykanium and is like "woah this great damage"

[merry coral]

lmao

[arctic rampart]

I like taking WS on slow melee weapons to compensate. I guess it is always fun to try to trigger it often. Unless the server eats your weapon switch input and you have to smack it a bunch of times before it works

[scenic oracle]

I think he went weapon specialist just for the stamina regen

[arctic rampart]

really but he got 3x stam regen AND duck & dive.. but ok, he's doing some deadshot thign

[merry coral]

That's an issue with the game itselft, not the server I reckon

BUT there's a mod for that

[tame lodge]

There are better ways than WS to replenish Stamina

[merry coral]

If I can find it eeeeeh

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/331

[tame lodge]

Because you'd have swap to your melee often to replenish Stamina

[arctic rampart]

I'd probably go left tree ult and get 2nd stamina regeneration delay buff instead of invigorated no?

[tame lodge]

And that's a deal breaker

[umbral scaffold]

Is there a viable build with power sword and plasma gun an/or recon lasgun?

[arctic rampart]

yes absolutely

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve been playing zealot and psyker, so I don’t really know about veteran that much

[errant carbon]

Can pretty much staple Power Sword to any build and be "viable" for most people's definitions of the word

[umbral scaffold]

I see

Do you have a pic of the build?

[vapid nacelle]

I have now experienced having a boltdumper vet on my team

maybe one of the worst teammate experiences I've had

[frank basin]

i met vet run boltgun also not good playing

[vapid nacelle]

shot bursters when they were in everyone's faces

[frank basin]

ill pass, but ogryn dying alot is what i met

[vapid nacelle]

bolted into literally everything

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d8fab77-2915-4ae6-bdc2-dfc1bae81792/generic-auric-psword-vet something like this.. I'd recommend the 1 point in bring it down but w/e

[vapid nacelle]

literally everything

he ran out of ammo maybe three times and we barely made it through half the map

[frank basin]

real ammo crisis

[arctic rampart]

Check out the guide for recommended perks on psword and tune it based on what model psword you have and what targets you're using it on

[vapid nacelle]

I cannot stress, EVERYTHING 😭

one singular gunner in my face that I'm about to kill because I have a knife and he shoots two bolts into it

and just about any other elite or special he saw

anyways we lost because he shot a burster and one shot both himself and I

[frank basin]

when from thunk to thunk thunk thunk thunk thunk

[vapid nacelle]

but you know what its entirely my fault

[frank basin]

he really think veteran is ranged base class

[vapid nacelle]

I chose to do a maelstrom that wasn't on the auric board and I paid the price

[frank basin]

well ill tell you I only play regular damnation

for plasteel

i met some kind bad player in my experience

they maybe lobotomized

[nocturne mulch]

The people who ask for ranged support build smh

Once had a vet that kept going down to poxwalkers and raging at us all game about us not covering them as they are "the ranged dps"

[orchid hemlock]

Ngl the curios are kinda SUS

[arctic rampart]

which ones? surely 2 toughness 1 stamina seems pretty legit. 3x combat ability, 3x stamin regen are pretty widely well regarded. as for last row its kind of whatever you want IMO

[orchid hemlock]

Nope

Sounds like u watch a bit too much Tanner if u think it is "well regarded"

I don't remember people here ever endorsing that statement

[vapid nacelle]

my matches are so cursed tonight

I've never had to solo clutch three times in one mission

unfortunately I couldn't do it the third time

I got so stressed I forgot to push a hound and let my team down 😔

[arctic rampart]

Love the negative I hate this person who's not even in the room offer of "this is best". You're negative and useless here. If you want to have a conversation and offer advice then do so. If you want to be scum then don't reply to me

[empty root]

whats vets best melee weapon purely for killing poxwalkers

[vapid nacelle]

Those curios are pretty standard at high level I think yeah

[arctic rampart]

psword, rashad, probably something else I'm forgetting

[vapid nacelle]

I run the exact same

[tame lodge]

Chainsword

They are extremely good at killing hordes

[orchid hemlock]

Ah and there we go, it always comes down to it being "personal"

[arctic rampart]

You still haven't offered a word of useful input on what you think are the best curios. Just I hate tanner and more toxic.

[tame lodge]

Yeah ability cdr on curios is C tier

[orchid hemlock]

U never asked for any input?

I just critized the curios

[tame lodge]

But like don't take my word for it

[orchid hemlock]

And then u started making something up about it being "standard" like speaking from experience

[arctic rampart]

Nevermind I'm not interested. Gonna go eat dinner later

[orchid hemlock]

When literally I don't think the majority of people who are regulars here would endorse it

[tame lodge]

Ok

Stamina Regen

Bad

[orchid hemlock]

Stamina regen is fine, that wasn't my critique

[tame lodge]

You need more than 0 stamina to push anyways

[vapid nacelle]

it's all fine

It's gonna be preferential in the end

[tame lodge]

Ability CDR, C tier

Any other question or can I leave

Too slow

[orchid hemlock]

CDR is trash, stamina as a mainstat is OK but not taking even a single HP curio is extremely questionable

[tame lodge]

I'm leaving

[vapid nacelle]

later

[vapid surge]

What if I forgo health curios for 2 17% toughness ones?

[tiny summit]

I prefer to ignore HP curios because Vet and Psyk dont have the base HP pools to scale it as much.

[vapid nacelle]

this is fine

[vapid surge]

^

[tiny summit]

Zeal and Ogryn? HP curios scale

[vapid nacelle]

I generally favor toughness more but like if it's HP you're interested in for say, bursters

I think trying for something like 201 HP between a curio and some perks is alright

[hollow ibex]

whether you take 2x HP + 1x tough or 2x tough + 1x HP depends on how you want to allocate your perks

[vapid nacelle]

to live 2 bursters

[hollow ibex]

either can work well

[tiny summit]

😑 burster? What burster?

[vapid nacelle]

the burster that that one teammate decides to shoot when it's in your face

(you know it happens more than it should)

[tiny summit]

I let faith guide my path against bursters

[hollow ibex]

or the burster that your teammate pushes into you

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

[orchid hemlock]

No this is a bad mindset to have

Because all of the toughness in the world will not save u from a poxburster, sniper, or overhead

[terse idol]

Me as my opinion says I dislike Combat ability regen

[vapid nacelle]

I don't use HP on my vet anymore but I've used it and it's perfectly valid

[terse idol]

Now to be fair having 1 HP isn't bad

[terse idol]

Its the chip damage that will kill you

Now suffice it to say

VOC over-toughness

Preeettyyy goood

But this also goes into any time you might get hit by a pox burster

Or a sniper

[tiny summit]

Works well for me. It isnt a bad mindset when we're talking about DT. Your preference blend isnt the make or break to your success

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

[terse idol]

That's when you'll feel having no health curio

[orchid hemlock]

Do u play auric maels?

[tiny summit]

Yep

[vapid nacelle]

it's gonna depend pretty heavily on how comfortable you are at handling that

[terse idol]

Well I always suggest things in a general use sense

[vapid nacelle]

most of the time I have no issue with them but sometimes it's just a really bad day so I switch to 201 hp

[tiny summit]

You're acting like DT after a bit is still this min-max shit when bruh...

[orchid hemlock]

Your preference is "play perfectly" all the time

[terse idol]

There is the difference between suggesting it to folks and what and why you personally use something

[orchid hemlock]

If that was the case curios are irrelevant

[terse idol]

That's something to considerrr

[tiny summit]

Never said that but ok

[orchid hemlock]

So with all of those toughness stats, and a poxburster hits you what will save u?

Tell me I would love to know

Pls tell me

What is your stat?

[vapid nacelle]

VOC overtoughness

[orchid hemlock]

That still drosnt require max toughness

[vapid nacelle]

it doesn't

[orchid hemlock]

Even if u have 5 toughness and overcapp yourself

[vapid nacelle]

but it solves that glaring issue pretty well usually

[orchid hemlock]

So you agree with me?

Thx

[vapid nacelle]

?

[orchid hemlock]

Good to know 👍🏻

[terse idol]

Meta being 2x toughness 1x hp
Or 2x hp or 1x toughness

[tiny summit]

I like toughness and stam for more pushing 😇 acting like there's a "wrong way" for this makes you look stupid

[hollow ibex]

there is a meta though

[tiny summit]

Dont feel like saying more. Enjoy your HP. Thats fine. I prefer not. No wrongs.

[hollow ibex]

you can run 3 stamina curios if you want, and you can do well with it

[orchid hemlock]

All the stamina in the world and all of the toughness in the world is going to save your teamate shooting the poxburster next to you?

[vapid nacelle]

I like toughness because vet has toughness damage reduction but no HP damage reduction

[orchid hemlock]

You are wrong in thinking it is "not needed" tho

You want to be right but don't want anyone to critized your "preference" I get it

[tiny summit]

I tend to not get myself in that situation, which Ive played enough auric maels to not really care when it happens.

No. Im not.

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

You are

[subtle bolt]

Shout shout shout

[terse idol]

Shout can only save you

[tiny summit]

I never said I was right. I said I preferred. Learn to read. #veteran-class message

[terse idol]

So many times

It's when you start actually taking damage when your hp and or toughness matterrsssss

It's why folks build the sniper res in the first place

[orchid hemlock]

If every answer to my questions is "I won't put myself in that situation" than it seems like the bets perks for you would be ortho, xp, and drop rate

[terse idol]

To escape the sniper break point