#veteran-class

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solemn niche
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schizo game developers, sign me right up whatthefuck_heresy

earnest bone
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Fortnite probably

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but i dont like it

balmy flume
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On the one hand, true, but on the other hand, management makes the call on what to prioritise. So schizophrenic management decision making on priorities.

velvet kayak
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Oh look veteran gets shown a different image from what you actually get again.

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No imperial eagle on shoulder and just green not camo

umbral scaffold
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Fatshark screwed up

frank ether
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cos it sells anyway

velvet kayak
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You don't get the one you see in store image, you get the one in preview.

stoic thorn
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I AM HAVING AN ANEURYSM

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I DONT WANT THE JACKET I WANT THE KASRKIN ARMOUR UNDERNEATH4

regal belfry
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give me the upgraded hellbore

green willow
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i want a standalone respirator is that too much to ask

pseudo fiber
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That was so strange I wonder why that happened even

ionic bear
verbal burrow
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this

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Certainly not Funcom, if the changes to Conan Exiles' PVP since 2017 are any indication

stoic thorn
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I've already given my money to Fatshark

tame lodge
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They'll happily take it without caring for what you want

verbal burrow
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Yes

merry coral
ionic bear
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im suffering from success with the for the drip mod cuz i have too many cosmetics that i unironically would have to take em all off to remake a costume from scratch

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like im just in too deep on base cosmetics

pale spear
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Does fireteam stack?

earnest bone
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FS make sure it wont

stoic thorn
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I wonder if we can get Moebian bosses

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The Karnak Twins are like

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Their own missions

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But all the bosses are from the cult

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Wonder if we can get something like an armoured sentinel

analog mural
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The normal captains?

stoic thorn
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Isn't the captain from the enforcer station a dreg?

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And the rolling steel boss a dreg too?

analog mural
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They are scabs

hearty panther
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geez reddit has been awful lately

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like the actual function of the website

hollow ibex
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Not like it’s some massive publicly traded corporation

white minnow
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rolling steel captain should be dreg

tough tiger
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Is that guy called a dreg champion or sth?

hearty panther
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he sounds like he should be a dreg

tough tiger
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I remember him being called a champion

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Champion of admonition?

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Idk my dorktide lore kinda rusty

white minnow
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their names are more dreg-ish i think

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"sorrette the unflinching" is one i'm seeing in a yt video

tall torrent
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Weirdly they’re categorized as “horde” enemy instead of “boss”

hearty panther
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cuz they horde all the disease

tame lodge
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Lmao

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Seems like they also have some personalities

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I fought one with a really bassy voice

faint beacon
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There’s one with a raspy voice as well if I recall

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But Dreg Champions literally are T Captains but a bit more void shield push happy and have a new underhanded swing that can be swung faster than the Power sword T Captain

tough tiger
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I dont think we'll ever get to figure out what the scab captains' personalities are seeing as they get vaporized so fast

ionic bear
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i wonder what this guy im about to kill is thinking about...

faint beacon
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I know there’s a video that lists of each one with their quotes

hearty panther
faint beacon
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Correction 5

tame lodge
# tough tiger I dont think we'll ever get to figure out what the scab captains' personalities ...

Quotes said by the traitor captains.
Enjoy!

Timestamps
00:00 Encounter (Brute)
00:49 Combat Taunt (Brute)
01:33 Reinforcements (Brute)
01:54 Death (Brute)

03:06 Encounter (Maniac)
04:03 Combat Taunt (Maniac)
04:56 Reinforcements (Maniac)
05:20 Death (Maniac)

06:58 Encounter (Officer)
07:45 Combat Taunt (Officer)
08:24 Reinforcements (Office...

▶ Play video
faint beacon
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Brute

tame lodge
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Don't worry about it

faint beacon
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Maniac

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Officer

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Sadist

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And Spiritual

tame lodge
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Spiritual is so good

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"You follow a path of lies and deceit" 🗣️

hearty panther
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i dont know of a single bad voice line in the entire game tbh

tame lodge
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Real

faint beacon
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I’ve only heard like 3 personalities with the champions

tame lodge
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Just wish some voice lines were slightly louder though

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"Halt, you are not welcome here" as I'm about to stomp the Dreg Bruiser is funny

frail dragon
dawn valve
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what do you guys think is the best mark for the recon lasgun?

clever hedge
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The one labeled torrent, it has the lowest damage but by far the fastest firerate. Maybe XIV

umbral scaffold
ionic bear
regal belfry
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WHY IS THIS NOT FOLDABLE

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it has the hinge and the spike

serene bough
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it folds

dawn valve
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you using the right mark?

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i just checked on mine and it works

regal belfry
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or is the describtion just outdated

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on the store page

dawn valve
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what's it say on that?

tame lodge
regal belfry
queen fox
regal belfry
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then i git this shovel i like its design

pseudo fiber
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Also you can refund it on the forums if you don't like it

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They're really cool with that actually.

regal belfry
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i buy so rarely i don't refund normally

ionic bear
serene bough
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wish the shovel was a better weapon

pseudo fiber
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I feel its a good B tier weapon

queen fox
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a shovel with holes in it is a bit dumb imo

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makes it worse for digging, esp through sand

regal belfry
round sinew
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Not much dirt to be digging in a hive city anyways

serene bough
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what exactly does the shovel do best that makes it a good vet exclusive weapon

queen fox
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that one dusty desert map

serene bough
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just CC/defense?

queen fox
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the true vet exclusive is powersword, for another couple weeks at least

regal belfry
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ogryn has a similar shovel

round sinew
regal belfry
serene bough
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well yeah ogryn has shovel but among the 3 human classes only vet gets shovel

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just wish it had more appeal to it

queen fox
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the appeal is facing the hordes of zombies and lasgun-armed traitors with a revolver and a shovel

serene bough
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whick mk is the good one again

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mk3?

queen fox
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1

ionic bear
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the appeal is using weapons that they would accurately grant to us rejects

pseudo fiber
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The non folding one

ionic bear
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(who tf finna hand us a power sword as rejects)

tame lodge
dawn valve
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the shovel from home is my weapon

queen fox
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lasguns are in-canon very cheap to produce and supply, we'd likely get a lasgun before an autogun

serene bough
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i dont like how the standard issue has poor armor pen

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i know it has uncanny, but still

ionic bear
hollow ibex
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but it needs more cleave

queen fox
hollow ibex
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for a horde clear weapon, the cleave is not great

queen fox
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and there is a lot of scrap in a hive city

ionic bear
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i mean thats extra resources right there

serene bough
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pretty sure thats heresy

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to grab heretic tech/weapons

pseudo fiber
ionic bear
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just do the rites on it

queen fox
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which is very possible

tough tiger
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Taking bounties is how u slowly corrupt yourself

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I'm sure Leandros is an expert on this

ionic bear
queen fox
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the binauric in question

tall torrent
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10.5 on heavy sweep is quite high

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It’s more cleave distribution being bad

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And not doing enough stagger vs melee elite waves

serene bough
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which shovel mk with the armor pen special gets stuck longer, i forget

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Mk7?

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
ionic bear
merry coral
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cue the simpson meme with moe tossing out barney out of the bar

short fern
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do plasma gun users bother with charged attacks

hollow ibex
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no

short fern
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alright ty, ddidn't seem like it

dry niche
serene bough
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i.e. you can't act for longer after using

hollow ibex
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oh not sure

tame lodge
short fern
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so I take it charge rate is the dump stat then

hollow ibex
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check pins

serene bough
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plasma has no dump stat, check pins

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its actually the most tedious weapon to build for

hollow ibex
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yeah just build a bolter instead thumbsup_ogryn

merry coral
short fern
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I don't like it, I am just doing masteries

merry coral
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unsure if the 3 does that tho, never used it

short fern
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recon lasgun and bolter are my favorite weapons atm

serene bough
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ok sounds like mk3 is the faster one then

short fern
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or spearhead boltgun rather

merry coral
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I prefer the attack pattern of the mk7

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Heavies are horizontal

serene bough
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i see

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i havent used shovel in a long time

tall torrent
orchid hemlock
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meta this meta that

short fern
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I low key wish other guns benefited from the shock trooper mechanic besides just lasguns

orchid hemlock
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why dont u meta DEEZ NUTTS

worn walrus
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how we feeling about the augmented legs?

worn walrus
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that scratches my brain

tall torrent
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In a good or bad way

grand perch
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1 step closer to being skiitari femboys

worn walrus
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I like it, I've been wanting a adeptus mechanicus class anyways

tall torrent
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The new power backpack is probably the only backpack in the game that doesn’t clip to hell and back with veteran’s armor vests

hollow ibex
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lol

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60 penetration knife

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Cuz it’s for a “bleed build”

somber adder
# hollow ibex lol

Making fun of obviously new players to feel superior. Class chat, never change

hollow ibex
somber adder
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You got me

merry coral
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oh god that's bloody awful

somber adder
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I dump the most important stat on a weapon to make the game more challenging
You dump the most important stat because you don't know better
We are not the same

somber adder
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Oh so now it's you do you

hollow ibex
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It always has been. I don’t care wat others run. But I’ll still poke fun at bad takes.

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Especially from Redditors

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Nothing against OP

round geyser
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Hey fellas

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What’s y’all opinion on this decay system

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Personally I don’t like it

short fern
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I love veterans who max out focus target so much

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it's one of the better team abilities

pseudo fiber
# round geyser What’s y’all opinion on this decay system

Even though we talked a bit in general.

I think it's fine. They don't want people to get a rank then sit on it forever for infinite mats I get it.
The requirement to keep the rank is also low enough that if you really care about keeping it it is so easy.

round geyser
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That’s true just I don’t play darktide as often as I use to

merry coral
tall torrent
pseudo fiber
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I was gonna answer but path appears

elder fiber
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8 stacks is actually ass and the stamina + toughness is only useful on like, deadshot builds

hollow ibex
merry coral
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I see I see

elder fiber
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and the extra 3 stonks shouldn't be giving you meaningful breakpoints anyways

merry coral
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Insightful, thanks !

molten rivet
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quick question about plasma gun as ive recently started play vet a ton more, do power blast and gets hot work together?

tall torrent
round geyser
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just got a code from steam

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guess you could call me a code monkey

molten rivet
faint beacon
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Iirc the increased Crit damage isn’t insanely drastic vs a raw consistent increase

tall torrent
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Not hugely impactful

molten rivet
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Aight, what would you take instead?

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Read a few guides saying blaze away but you lose the stacks so fast when you hit max cr

final zealot
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its so over.......

worldly pulsar
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Do any melee weapon blessings affect grenades significantly?

pseudo fiber
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Does uncanny still work on bleed?

hearty panther
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yes

hearty panther
worldly pulsar
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Ah, yeah, I see how. So on a build trying to optimize grenades for the hell of it, would a shovel with Uncanny Strike and Skullcrusher do work?

old gulch
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any tips for long bomb penance ?

hearty panther
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kraks would be pointless

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but for shredders itll do some funny stuff

worldly pulsar
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Oh, this is for a shredder build, yeah.

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Also running the bolt pistol with Lethal Proximity

tawny timber
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got stuck behind this sum bitch

tame lodge
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To an extent

worldly pulsar
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I suppose. More impact is of dubious value to me, though.

tame lodge
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The thing is that trauma also extends stagger duration

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It would probably not be noticeable on small impact though

worldly pulsar
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More of a pause button would be useful. Especially since they'll be bleeding the whole time.

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This is what I'm considering as far as talents.

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With something like this for gear

pearl mango
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Ⅳ Ferrocrete Hide: +16% Toughness. when i upgrade it does the Toughness get 1% more or ?

worldly pulsar
pearl mango
worldly pulsar
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Ah, yeah, unfortunately you can't upgrade that as far as I'm aware. You just have to find one in the wild and upgrade it.

pearl mango
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i wanna try to make a nice veteran for i could do the weekly quest on, anyone that have a recommended build? open for eveything 🙂

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dont like plasma tho 😛

quaint spindle
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bruhh these commodors rotations suck ;_;

elder fiber
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I like cyberlegs + almost literally anything is better than last rotation so I'll take it

quaint spindle
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I know but man. There are so many cosmetics at this rate it probably womt ne a full year for something youre looking for to come into the store

spark helm
# old gulch any tips for long bomb penance ?

Pick a mission that has a lot of wide space and either find a group of enemies statically/patrolling. Aim your cursor at the appropriate length and if you can, visualize at least three to four grunt units stacked on top of each other. Keep your cursor at the top of said visual on high ground for example and toss. Usually an easy penance.

thorny mirage
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What do yall think of the Recon Lasgun, is it worth taking?

spark helm
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More than ever (again), yes.

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Works really well no matter how you slice it, really. Feels best in my experience with exestance + marksman's focus/focus target or VoC/Infiltrate with weapon specialist or focus target (for talent point spread sake with how I use it).

thorny mirage
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Running a VOC / Focus Target build with it

spark helm
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Good trash and mixed horde clear, solid enough kill time on maulers and maniacs, and solid monstrosity and boss dmg.

tall torrent
round geyser
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wow i really did get crickets for how bad my joke was

spark helm
# thorny mirage Running a VOC / Focus Target build with it

I haven't tried the salvo builds so I can't speak for it.

Some of my favorite setups broadly are

  1. Flak/Maniac + Dumdum/Deathspitter. Baseline easy standard setup, wide case use.

  2. Flak/unyielding + infernus/dumdum. Good sustained single target damage with elites and monstrosities in mind.

  3. Flak/unarmoured + dumdum/infernus. Go-to horde clear with a heavier emphasis on trash sweeping. Usually I take marksman's focus but that's only because I'm treating it as a keystone generator and nothing more really. More of a personal fun time than something I'd say is super solid outside of that niche.

thorny mirage
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aye thank you big man

hollow ibex
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Also it’s funny shredding reapers

tall torrent
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If he’s not going crit chance I think maniac is the best 2nd perk pick

hollow ibex
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Hmm tbh with Mk 12 and no maniac damage it hasn’t bothered me

orchid hemlock
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I prefer crit rate because without headhunter u need to squeeze as much crit rate as you can to not run out of ammo

hollow ibex
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Crit/unyielding + infernus/DD

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I’m mostly using unyielding for the memes tbf

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Esp because of all the BONs

orchid hemlock
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More crit ptrocs also mean longe ruptimes

elder fiber
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ruptimes

elder fiber
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I already miss burglestorm. its fun seeing pub players kite them in the absolute worst ways possible

hollow ibex
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Like bruh

elder fiber
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lmao

ripe totem
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I run my autolas like this

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recip procs infernus a lot

civic knot
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Which chainsword has better hordeclear?

ripe totem
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mk XIIIg I think?

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also normally I'd look at longshot but after having all the ragers spam in my face it's tied between that and a flat 5% I can count on

elder fiber
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nah longshot sucks lol

hollow ibex
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Long shot is a trap

elder fiber
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12 meters minimum

ripe totem
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wait really

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fuck me

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fatshark be sharkin

elder fiber
remote sonnet
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Longshot is fun on plasma and maybe revolver and bpistol, or shotgun with fullbore surprisingly enough.

hollow ibex
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It’s not doing anything in most of your shots

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Just a waste of a talent point

tame lodge
civic knot
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ive heard that its way better to run savage sweep

tame lodge
tame lodge
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Savage Sweep is just cleave
Rampage is Strength, which is damage, stagger and cleave

civic knot
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yes but why not both rampage and savage sweep

tame lodge
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The XIIIg also has problems proccing Sweep

civic knot
tame lodge
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Because Chainsword has no fall off on crit

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So Shred> Savage Sweep

civic knot
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Do you need the desperado talent to make it worth using?

tame lodge
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Probably Reciprocity

civic knot
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not consistent enough tho right?

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compared to desperado

tame lodge
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Well you'll be fighting hordes so you'll proc Reciprocity very often and also you need Reci to get Desperado

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And if you have points to spare you could pick the toughness node and Trench Fighter right under it

marble agate
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all of the new outfits in the store have cool robot legs I'm going to go bankrupt

tame lodge
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Sell your legs

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For the cause you know

trim lantern
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Cyberpunk joke, for those who don't immediately understand

ripe totem
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recip is pretty consistent

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you're always dodging

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mostly

serene bough
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can also generate multiple stacks from one dodge if multiple enemies miss

civic knot
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ur spamming shout aaaalll the time

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so imo this is better

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plus, without it, you can get stam regen node

tame lodge
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Well you're losing out on 25% crit chance on a melee that has no damage fall off on crits

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So I do recommend reviewing your opinion

orchid hemlock
civic knot
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reciprocity isnt easy enough to proc

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idk man

orchid hemlock
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15% damage isn't giving u any breakpoints either

civic knot
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its only easily done with ranged option

orchid hemlock
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What do u mean it isn't easy to proc, you are dodging all the time

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It procs on range and melee

hollow ibex
jade aurora
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will a 420 rating 17% toughness curio give more toughness than a 410 rating 17% toughness curio?

orchid hemlock
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The other thing I don't understand is this idea that people think spamming shout lit off cooldown

tight ledge
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guys do you have a build or something for the sapper shovel munitorum mk1?

pearl mango
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if i want to play a melee vet what should i focus on the tree ?

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
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It’s a weapon that works without a specific build

tight ledge
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what about stats?

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whats the dump/ 60 stats

hollow ibex
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I think it’s got a defense stat so that’s the dump

tight ledge
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oh i see

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any blessing in particular thats good?

hollow ibex
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Uncanny and skull something

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Skull crusher?

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Uncanny basically mandatory

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Also there’s a guide in the pins that covers all this

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Including any talents you might want to take (prob mostly on the bottom right of the tree)

tight ledge
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oh i didnt see that

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thanks for the help!!

hollow ibex
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Yeah that guide is comprehensive

tight ledge
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the quick melee guide?

faint beacon
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Rending is letting you bypass carapace

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Decimator if you like gambling and getting insane damage stacks at the cost of avoiding swinging at the air

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Or Skullcrusher for overall solid damage increase

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Typical perk combo is Flak Maniac

hollow ibex
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This ☝️

hollow ibex
faint beacon
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Imo

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Miles better

hollow ibex
faint beacon
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You tend to use lights to rack up Deci quickly

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The moment you hit like 5 stacks

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And there’s still a big horde

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Start using heavies

orchid hemlock
faint beacon
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You’ll quickly notice poxers falling over in droves

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That and to abuse uncanny on like Maulers or crushers, you do PA/L/L repeat

faint beacon
orchid hemlock
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I'm wondering if you can make Skull and Decimator work 🤔

faint beacon
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You’re passing out on Uncanny

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You know

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The most busted blessing next to Brutal momentum

narrow frost
orchid hemlock
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Ainz u already know what will be on top

narrow frost
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power cycler

orchid hemlock
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Lacerate

tame lodge
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Wrong

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Terrifying Barrage

narrow frost
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lac would be top 5

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top 10

shadow dagger
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is there a video setting i cant really afford to turn all the way down to maximize performance because it fucks with gameplay too much

idle swallow
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Lacerate/ruthless backstab confirmed most powerful blessing combo in the game

shadow dagger
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i remember volumetric light quality or whatever it was on low in vt2 made righteous stands last arena hideous

runic topaz
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falter clearly the only true S-tier blessing

orchid hemlock
timid wolf
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Would my build change much if I wanted to swap from rashaad and recon to knife and a combat shotgun or something?

idle swallow
shadow dagger
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can you even afford to run rashad + recon las without missing out on some important talents

shadow dagger
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youre always like 1 or 2 short arent you

hollow ibex
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Not like you need keystones for recon las

timid wolf
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It has the recon bits. Rashad is my backup.

orchid hemlock
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U would need to drop superiority and bring it down

hollow ibex
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Idr if I dropped those 🤔

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Need to check

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I prob would’ve squeezed those in

orchid hemlock
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U need shock trooper which requires 3 point so the left side

shadow dagger
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recon is one greedy mf

orchid hemlock
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U need rending strikes if u are not taking onslaught

timid wolf
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Focus is the recon, not the rashad.

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And I'm using Kraks because I still need the pennance.

orchid hemlock
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U can't take onslaught if u want desperado and trench

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Just take the L tbh and bring a PS

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Besides Rashad is also a weapon that excels in WS builds

tall torrent
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and treat recon lasgun as laspistol sidegrade

hollow ibex
orchid hemlock
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For recon?

hollow ibex
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Hate having to pull out PS and then charge it

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To kill a few bruisers

orchid hemlock
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PS is great for low investment builds because of how good it is for mixed hordes

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Idk what else u could take, maybe Shovel or Shock or DS

hollow ibex
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With low investment builds I tend to be more shoot heavy

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And bringing out melee to deal with random or lesser threats

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So I strongly prefer not having to charge the melee weapon if I’m pulling it out to just do mop up

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PS is just a wet noodle uncharged

orchid hemlock
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PS isn't difficult to power up as long as you don't have anyone interrupting your combo

hollow ibex
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It’s not difficult no

orchid hemlock
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It's flexibility is sorta hard to unjustify tho

Being good into hordes, and crushers, and maniacs

hollow ibex
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Well yeah it’s obviously very good, I just don’t like it as a sidearm

orchid hemlock
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But I don't see the issue of it being a bad melee weapon

hollow ibex
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It’s not a bad melee weapon

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I said it’s a bad sidearm

orchid hemlock
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I have no idea how you define that

hollow ibex
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Basically what I asked about earlier

timid wolf
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Its not the focus of the build. Which means it is the sidearm.

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Its what you pull out to deal with what your primary weapon isn't great at handling. Or in a pinch.

orchid hemlock
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PS cna work as a low investment melee if that is what you mean

hollow ibex
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Just like how in a WS melee build a revolver might be my sidearm and the PS is my primary weapon

orchid hemlock
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It can't be both?

hollow ibex
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It can be both, but not if the build is leaning towards more shooting play styles

orchid hemlock
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Why not?

hollow ibex
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Ok we’re just going in circles now lmao

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Back to square one

orchid hemlock
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Well I feel like this is just semantics

You haven't explained why the power sword can't function as a melee weapon for a Recon build

hollow ibex
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Look you don’t need to get it.

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Do what works best for you

orchid hemlock
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????

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You say it isn't a "sidearm" because it isn't a good weapon that compliments another weapon.

I asked how so and you just fold

hollow ibex
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Because I hate repeating myself

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Feel free to read the above. Sybreal had no problems understanding what I was saying lol

oblique totem
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Hey hey vets

orchid hemlock
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My dude, you are the only person who is "going in circles"

The only response I have been given is: "it isn't a sidearm"

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Is it because of its pullout time, it's damage at low investment, it's mobility?

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Why can't the PS be used as a "sidearm" by your definition?

bronze trout
#

But I dont know why he just doesnt say that

hollow ibex
#

But don’t let me stop you

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Use whatever you want

bronze trout
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It's to "slow" which sure its slower to get swinging but you get a more powerful effect so idk if it ends up being true

orchid hemlock
hollow ibex
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I already provided examples of why I don’t like it as a sidearm. Feel free to scroll up and reference the above.

quaint spindle
#

ladies ladies lets not argue

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you should go do it in the ogryn server instead

orchid hemlock
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This isn't really an argument anymore I feel like Sirosky is just making things up at this point KEKW_ogryn

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"look up" my brother there is nothing there

hollow ibex
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You asked why. I gave examples. I’m the one making things up. Aight.

bronze trout
#

I dont like the PS because I dont like having to mess with the charge personally

hollow ibex
bronze trout
#

I use thunder hammer on zealot but you use that charge on that in more specific instances

hollow ibex
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I don’t understand why this is so confusing lol. We got an ogryn here trying to pretend he’s a vet.

bronze trout
#

I think its because you dont like the PS for the same reason I do, cause you hate having to mess with the charge, not that it's actually poor for your build

timid wolf
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I don't like having to charge it every few swings in order to make the weapon kill things.

timid wolf
#

If you have to block, you gotta charge again. You get poked by something? Charge again.

hollow ibex
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Not such a hard concept to grasp. Not sure why Mr @autumn bane is struggling with this lol

timid wolf
#

I just pull out Rashad and things die. Simple as.

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If the things are big, I just overhead chop until they stop existing.

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But honestly, thats what the recon is for.

hollow ibex
#

This is all just my subjective preference anyway. PS is an objectively strong weapon.

orchid hemlock
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I'm trying to be respectful but I think it is extremely disingenuous to keep saying "I don't get it" or "read up" or "I don't get why it's confusing" when you obviously haven't explained at all a the definition of a single word, nor why it has anything to do with the discussion of the recon.

hollow ibex
final charm
#

How can he be disingenuous if it’s just a preference?

hollow ibex
orchid hemlock
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but I dont because I dont see that corrilation

bronze trout
#

Orcka are you talking about the recon or PS?

timid wolf
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PS

orchid hemlock
hollow ibex
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PS in a recon build specifically lol

bronze trout
#

He said recon though

orchid hemlock
#

we are discussing about melee wepaons to compliment a recon build

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see, they don't even understand the context of the convo

hollow ibex
#

Anyway use whatever you want

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PS is great, but I don’t use it on my recon builds

timid wolf
#

My "primary" weapon is my recon lasgun. My "sidearm", which is what you'd pull out to get those 3 poxwalkers to stop poking your butt, is what is up for debate. I like the Rashad since I can just take it out and one-shot them. I, and Sirosky, don't like the PS because of the clunky nature of having to charge it up to make it do the same thing.

hollow ibex
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Or my shoot heavy builds in general

hollow ibex
timid wolf
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It's not that it is a bad weapon, just that it is not good for the role of "fuck off you stupid zombie shit and let me get back to erasing things".

orchid hemlock
timid wolf
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It's more of a "this is what I'm going to use to erase things" kind of weapon.

hollow ibex
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I like using PS on a WS build

timid wolf
orchid hemlock
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I just dont understand why the PS is "clunky" either as something to kill s afew poxwalkers either, it's more complex when having to do a PA combo

trim tiger
bronze trout
hollow ibex
orchid hemlock
trim tiger
timid wolf
hollow ibex
timid wolf
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I don't need the PS to do that.

orchid hemlock
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if u are magdumping hordes with the recon i think u are playing recon wrong

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imo

timid wolf
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I'm not magdumping hordes

bronze trout
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I am

timid wolf
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I'm farming free ammo that drops from their brains.

timid wolf
#

Or rather, I magdump hordes when I'm near max ammo.

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But if the hordes are between me and the special/elite/whatever I'm trying to click the head of, then they get mag dumped.

hollow ibex
short fern
final charm
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You’re on your own

short fern
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Also if there is a bunch of ammo laying around and everyone is topped off I waste away

hollow ibex
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And drop dockets

timid wolf
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Defensive perks are nice for when brain stops working.

hollow ibex
#

Not like i need money anyways

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I just like my crypto

orchid hemlock
trim tiger
orchid hemlock
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onslaught only works on one target at a time, so u cant kill a horde of crushers with the recon even with it

short fern
#

Krak grenades for that

orchid hemlock
#

and if you are out of kraks?

hollow ibex
#

That’s all I need

orchid hemlock
#

or its not just crushers there are some maniacs closing the gap

timid wolf
#

I've very rarely ever had an issue with my recon and facing a group of charging anythings.

timid wolf
#

They usually get mown down before they get to me. If they do not, they get shouted.

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If they're still alive, then I've fucked up badly and that isn't the gun's fault.

orchid hemlock
short fern
timid wolf
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Damnation

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Charging muties are the only things I dont mow down, but thats because they're usually easy to sidestep and poke.

orchid hemlock
#

normal damnation, auric damnation, auric maelstrom damnation?

short fern
#

I really only play normal and auric damnation because when I did maelstrom a high % of people quit too much

timid wolf
#

Normal damnation and maelstorm damnation.

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Not auric.

orchid hemlock
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because what I am hearing rn is you let your allies pick up your slack

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oh ok, so this entire convo has been a waste of time, great 🤦🏻‍♂️

timid wolf
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Its almost always the opposite.

orchid hemlock
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nvm im out 🚶🏻‍♂️

merry coral
#

mister E being mister E

trim tiger
#

not the based way either

merry coral
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Thinking he is The authority about darktide on yt

faint beacon
#

I’ll bully @tall torrent into doing one with me for fun sometime

narrow frost
#

we should get path

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yeah

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I'l be there

faint beacon
#

I’m just saying this right now hands down no argument Uncanny and BM

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DB also

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S tier

narrow frost
#

power cycler

faint beacon
#

Also that

narrow frost
#

thrust

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etc.

faint beacon
#

I’d honestly argue

narrow frost
#

ooooh

faint beacon
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Thrust might be High A

narrow frost
#

fair

faint beacon
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Cause it has situationals unlike the s tiers

hollow ibex
#

Lacerate in L tier

faint beacon
#

@narrow frost should we take into consideration that they can be strong on certain builds or are we going in with the mindset of just in general

narrow frost
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general

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too many builds to consider them all

faint beacon
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Lacerate would be low

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Very low then

narrow frost
#

c

faint beacon
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Agile

narrow frost
#

ehhh

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the idea of it is crazy

faint beacon
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I’d say if we ignore it reinforces bad habits

narrow frost
#

infinite dodge

faint beacon
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B

narrow frost
#

but only 15 weakspot damage

faint beacon
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It’s BM without the inf cleave

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So imo B

narrow frost
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B

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slaughter headtaker

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A/S

faint beacon
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Falter

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C?

narrow frost
#

which was falter?

faint beacon
#

It’s not good nor is it terrible

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Weakspot ignore stagger BPs if I recall

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I’ll check one moment

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It’s extremely situational

narrow frost
#

Ripost

faint beacon
narrow frost
#

c?

faint beacon
#

Riposte and Precog are easy A

narrow frost
#

probably

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I was thinking riposte A precog S

faint beacon
#

Okay fair

narrow frost
#

it can make any weapon anti armor

faint beacon
#

Finesse is stronger

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Then just raw Crit

narrow frost
#

Yeah

tall torrent
narrow frost
#

ur mom

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get on path

faint beacon
#

All or nothing

narrow frost
#

ehhhh

faint beacon
#

Look man I’m not home yet

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But I’m off tomorrow

tall torrent
narrow frost
#

hmmm

faint beacon
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And I’m going to be home here in a few

narrow frost
#

why S?

tall torrent
#

Riposte is just 20% crit chance for free

faint beacon
#

But I’m totally down to do a Blessing (in general) tier list

tall torrent
#

Precog uptime is not very good

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The only reason u take it is because finesse damage stacking with duellist sends it very high for 1 hit

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In FotF

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It’s not rly that impressive in damage

orchid hemlock
#

Precog is strong if u can crit every time u proc it

narrow frost
#

lethal proc

faint beacon
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Lethal proc in general

narrow frost
#

C

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or D

faint beacon
#

Fuck this is a hard one cause I’m biased

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C+

narrow frost
#

I know

faint beacon
#

As in like

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High C

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It’s generally okay

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But it’s not enough for the weapon itself

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This is if we’re disregarding like

short fern
#

So what’s the meta that IS NOT plasma gun rn

faint beacon
#

Shredder Crusher POTW

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etc

tall torrent
narrow frost
tall torrent
short fern
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I don’t want to use dueling sword or plas gun so what’s next best thing

faint beacon
tall torrent
faint beacon
#

Like everyone

narrow frost
#

everyone, any build, any weapon

short fern
narrow frost
#

Meta isnt youtube kids

faint beacon
#

It’s why I bumped it down to like

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C+

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Cause outside of those I listed it’s

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There

tall torrent
faint beacon
#

It exists

ancient path
#

i wonder how janky the programming is for trapper nets

tall torrent
narrow frost
#

Yes

tall torrent
#

I’m too lazy to do

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Not worth my time

narrow frost
#

lol

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it'll be fun

errant carbon
#

How good would Lethal Proximity actually be if it didn't increase grenade radius

narrow frost
#

not good

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thats why C

tall torrent
#

Not worth taking at all

faint beacon
#

I honestly view C as like

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yeah it buffs it

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but its so minimal over the other options there's 0 point

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D and anything under is actively detrimental

short fern
#

In your opinions what are best perks and blessings on Boltgun

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I hate how ammo inefficient it is but I love the boltgun and with both reload perks it’s kind of enjoyable

orchid hemlock
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for perks: flak/maniac/cara/unyield

for blessings: Cava/Puncture/Pinning/Shatter/Surgical

short fern
#

Alright ty

orchid hemlock
#

For reloading just take tactical

pallid harbor
#

what's your guys fav ranged weapons for vet in auric?

tame lodge
#

Helby 4

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See it
Kill it

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Followed by the Graia Vigilant

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The semi

shadow dagger
#

do low investment anti carapace guns exist

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or am i just going to have to run revolver/boltor and cope

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with hitting minimal bps

orchid hemlock
#

Inspiring Braced Agripinaa

shadow dagger
#

whats the least cringe helbore to use

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i havent touched these since like lvl28

grand perch
#

theys all good

tame lodge
#

If you have bayo bias then get the 3

hallow drift
tame lodge
#

Solid middle ground

hallow drift
#

I tried making the slash bayo work but I just don’t like it

gilded rock
#

Recon 7A so yummers

pseudo fiber
#

The new vet jacket has a prayer seal wrapping
love to see it

fading yarrow
#

I just completed Clandestium Gloriana on AuDamn but my Untouchable Operative penance didn't update

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I joined while it was a match in progress, if that matters; right at the starting minigame

stoic thorn
#

Fuck it

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If I can do auric heresy I can do damnation

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Regular damnation

hollow ibex
#

So that might be the cause

stoic thorn
#

HI INTENSITY CONSIGNMENT YARD

hollow ibex
#

Game loves cucking players

fading yarrow
hollow ibex
#

Auric Storm Survivor

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The penance

fading yarrow
#

I see

hollow ibex
#

Or the title actually. Idr what the penance is called

dawn valve
#

what is the max amount of wounds you can have? i've seen people have like 6 or so

tame lodge
#

Zealot can have up to 7

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On damnation

dawn valve
#

how many can vets have?

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at max

tame lodge
#

At max difficulty? 5 wounds
2 base and 3 curios

dawn valve
#

ah okay

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so the curios only give you 1 extra wound per each equipped one?

hollow ibex
#

Yes

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At max take 1

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And even then I’d drop it once you get comfortable with two wounds

shadow dagger
#

nothing like babysitting 2 baby smykers through a civi

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5 wound behavior

umbral parrot
#

So, i'm getting sick of Hunters Resolve. It's grea and all, but it's reaching to the point where it's doing nothing most of the time.

SO Which you guys think is better?

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Surprise Attack or Marskman for Melee

stoic basalt
#

what is the best stat roll for a Plasma gun? its a strange one right?

tall torrent
stoic basalt
umbral parrot
stoic basalt
#

ha, I have a 68% therm and 72% charge, so close

tall torrent
#

the recommended value is just to be safe

hollow ibex
#

What a chad

stoic basalt
#

I just realized that was a user name

shadow fable
#

Do you actually get that much value from lethal proximity on the bistol?

undone jungle
#

if you're not making use of it you're often better off with revolver

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im not sure if its even fixed yet, but atm point blanking an enemy is a similar effect to popping a shredder, albeit a lot smaller and no damage with a shorter stun duration

#

for a weapon specialist build with a more finesse based weapon that lacks CC it's fantastic, absolutely my favorite pick

#

pocket CC rocket

queen fox
#

does the stability stat on shotguns affect pellet spread width?

#

can i use the stability stat to control how wide it can be?

stoic thorn
#

AURIC HERESY WOOPED MY ASS

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And the team was mean :(

hollow ibex
#

bistol is just a bad revolver without it

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
undone jungle
#

but yeah Lethal Proximity is huge on it

#

As good as revolver is I barely use it on Vet anymore because bistol is frankly just more fun to use besides all the pros

#

I still use it on Zealot because Zealot struggles with bistol breakpoints

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It's actually excellent on Psyker

hollow ibex
#

bistol essentially requires exec stance or FT if you don't want to depend on crits

austere mica
#

Its just my Bistol propaganda video

#

I keep it for whenever anyone brings up its effectiveness

#

(This is entirely a meme build)

hollow ibex
#

but i'm prob more anal about breakpoints than others

serene bough
#

I dont use the bistol anymore

#

Felt tedious to use at a certain point

hollow ibex
#

it's very fun with a dedicated build imo

#

but if you're not using a dedicated build... hope you enjoy gambling for crits and constantly reloading due to missed breakpoints KEKW_ogryn

final stone
#

thought I'd share

hollow ibex
#

that's cool, but the only gun i use on zealot is my knife

quaint spindle
#

anyone wanna help me with 100%ing the twins penances?

round geyser
#

this is just pure perfection

#

3 vets 1 of each aura 1 of each blitz and 1 of each ability

#

oh and a psyker

uncut pebble
#

Much like you don't compare the two revolvers against each other, because they serve different purposes.

round geyser
#

utter perfection that mission was

stoic thorn
#

Auric Heresy enclavum baross whooped my ass

#

Shouldn't have brought the plasma

#

Wait what even is the difference between auric and normal

#

Just 24/7 Hi-Intensity?

austere mica
#

Mainly playing with tension

proud marsh
#

trying to level as a vet w/ an assail soyker in the squad is making me want to kms

#

never thought I would hate my own class sm whatthefuck_heresy

hollow ibex
#

there's always areas of overlap

uncut pebble
#

Their purposes are different.

#

End of story.

#

Just because there's overlap doesn't mean you can slap a "this one is just a worse copy of that one" on it and call it a day.

hollow ibex
#

well i guess you said so, so it's the end of story

#

pack it up bois

uncut pebble
#

It's like comparing crusher to thunder hammer, which is the big one that pops up in zealout chat.

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Thunder hammer is massive single target dps with relatively average horde clear. Crusher is good single target dps with excellent horde clear.

lucid heart
#

thammer thammer thammer

uncut pebble
#

But most people just say crusher is a worse hammer, when that just isn't the case, because they serve entirely different purposes.

round geyser
#

a thunder hammer is a thunder hammer they both go bonk dont they?

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dont see the difference

uncut pebble
#

My point is proven.

hollow ibex
#

well i gotta say, you're very in-character

#

no room for nuance

#

all black and white

#

it's really like we're in the 40K universe

#

nuance is heresy KEKW_ogryn

uncut pebble
#

Correct.

clear garnet
#

Is there a way to make sharpshooter vet less squishy? I do damnation no-down runs perfectly fine running down the other two trees, but sharpshooter makes me such a pushover that I feel like an active burden to the team.

narrow frost
#

Share build

#

That would be the easiest way to see

clear garnet
analog mural
#

You have too many nodes up top

clear garnet
#

Could be I'm too greedy to take points away from sharpshooter tree to other things

analog mural
#

Just path down to nades with confirmed kill

#

Pick up iron will with the spare points

radiant chasm
#

confirmed kill should be your primary source of toughness in damnation

analog mural
#

And grenade regen

#

Also I think determined is pointless, especially if you take e-stance

narrow frost
#

vet is a elite and specialsit killer

#

this talent will greatly improve your toughness regen

#

this talent will passively increase your damage reduction

#

this one too

#

you are a range focus build

uncut pebble
#

Iron will be like "hmm today I think I will eat a crusher overhead and call him a bitch."

clear garnet
#

That all makes sense, thanks! I'm guessing weapon swap speed is pointless if I'm not using a hellbore/plasma/boltgun?

uncut pebble
#

Plasma doesn't need swap speed.

analog mural
#

E-stance instant swaps aswell

uncut pebble
#

Only helbore and boltgun do.

clear garnet
#

Vigilant autogun and shock maul (been going through various melee weapons with different results)

narrow frost
#

I have yet to build a vigilant autogun (outside of troll builds)

#

but try this out, 4 extra points

analog mural
#

Meta picks rn are duelling sword, knife, psword, rashad combat axe

narrow frost
#

you'll want a grenade regen talent

errant carbon
# narrow frost

Every time I look at a "when there are no enemies within 8m" talent I think "how often does that happen outside of, like, elevators"

earnest bone
#

drop reload, get 1st gren, drop bring em down (ouch) to get 2nd gren talent (optional)

uncut pebble
clear garnet
narrow frost
uncut pebble
#

Yeah.

#

Rending strikes helps with its awful maniac adm.

#

Here hold on.

#

@faint beacon drop agri VA build.

tall torrent
#

crusher dmg is too high

uncut pebble
#

Iron will alone, no.

#

Iron will with voc overtoughness, yes.

tall torrent
#

that's overtoughness doing its job

#

unrelated to iron will

narrow frost
#

True

faint beacon
uncut pebble
#

MF

faint beacon
#

MF?...

uncut pebble
#

Like high priority target annihilator with marksmans focus.

faint beacon
#

That's the one I've yet to build with but uh

uncut pebble
#

Bruh.

faint beacon
#

its totally possible I can conjure something

uncut pebble
#

Dw I don't run MF anyway.

faint beacon
#

I literally run WS with mine LMAO

#

I was going to send that

uncut pebble
#

There's a new player in here lurking somewhere that wants one with MF.

#

I run focus target for it.

faint beacon
#

Ability?

uncut pebble
#

Exe stance.

#

He wants full sharpshooter.

faint beacon
#

Okay let me cook up something

uncut pebble
#

But like also not shite in melee.

#

Which is kinda hard.

faint beacon
#

That's

#

yeah thats not very easy to pull off

#

when you're going full into Sharp shooting

clear garnet
#

My other two builds have me running into WS

uncut pebble
#

^ the new player in question.

faint beacon
#

If you want a very aggressive "DMR" type build

#

where you pull your gun out for shooters or like

#

anything Elite/Special related

#

and leave melee for hordes or other easy Special Elite fodder

tall torrent
#

If u want a very aggressive “DMR”

faint beacon
#

I could toss my usual build

tall torrent
#

U take Kantrael IIb

uncut pebble
#

Yeah but agri VA is cooler.

tall torrent
#

I wish more guns had fast ADS move speed

#

After playing K2b it’s just not fun to play low ADS move speed weapons

faint beacon
#

Been using this as of late

tall torrent
#

It’s literally playing like a turtle

faint beacon
#

I could probably go without Superiority but it is really fucking funny dropping gunners pathetically quick

#

Actually shit hold on

#

Corrected slightly

#

Exploit helps out with Heavy swords weaknesses that I run with it

#

3 stam
17 toughness
21 HP

grand perch
#

Exploit weaknesswhatthefuck_heresy

umbral parrot
#

NOOOOOO!

#

Why Exploit!?

faint beacon
#

A mild amount of trolling

#

But yeah I swap between those twos

clear garnet
#

From the sound of things, if I want to bring a "shoot the shooters" build into damnation, I should build a weapons specialist hybrid melee build anyway like my other two builds and just use executioners stance when the room is full of shooters.

faint beacon
clear garnet
#

Full shooter worked me early on in the easier difficulties, but damnation doesn't seem to let you sit back and shoot

faint beacon
#

Hence I run WS

#

cause you're going to be swapping a lot

tawny timber
#

i got into too many hairy spots

#

realized i didnt know very good positioning

#

it can be tricky to make executioner stance work imo

#

it takes smart playing and good aim ofc

clear garnet
#

It's just that I first started darktide I mained lasgun sharpshooter and it was a lot of fun (on easier difficulties) since lasgun on those difficulties one-tapped all the shooters even with body shots

#

Just gotta face the reality of damnation

faint beacon
#

Click on heads

#

thats all I can really say

clear garnet
#

Yup. Thanks for all the tips though, will definitely be running back to weapons specialist like I always do

umbral parrot
faint beacon
#

Its not great at all but like when im feeling extra hateful towards Mauler and Crushers I'll use that

#

and my Toughness doesn't really massively budge much from it tbh

umbral parrot
#

I gotcha.

faint beacon
#

Yeah you want that 200/200 ratio

#

I drop to 190/200

#

do I really care?

#

ehh no

tawny timber
uncut pebble
faint beacon
#

I've played enough to avoid taking above that shit

umbral parrot
uncut pebble
umbral parrot
#

1v1 me in Darktide.

uncut pebble
#

No I'm waiting for meds to kick in so i can sleep.

umbral parrot
#

Lol dang

uncut pebble
#

I have work in the morning.

umbral parrot
#

Lucky.

tawny timber
#

infantry lasgun heavily rewards head clicking

umbral parrot
#

Meanwhile, i fall asleep playing Darktide sometimes.

uncut pebble
# umbral parrot Lucky.

Lucky? I work for a morbidly obese bald man that can't bend his knees, and he hates young adults.

#

For reference, I am 20.

hollow ibex
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dw, that's most jobs thumbsup_ogryn

uncut pebble
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Hes like "I know you think you know it all but I've worked here for 34 years and I know a thing or two, just listen to me so you can save some steps!"

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Like sir. You have worked at a fucking grocery store since you were a teenager.

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You have no room to be lecturing me on a goddamn thing.

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(if you can't tell I hate my boss)

earnest bone
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@tall torrentyou think we'l get Dueling Sword nerfs at Dec,3? Seeing 'that' for another 3 months

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im not sure im a fan

faint beacon
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@tall torrent This worth it or not

sour patrol
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Whats the best way to get the veteran penance that requirtes you to finish a level with no ammo and 90% accuracy xd?

tawny glen
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get good

tall torrent
faint beacon
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Oh im saying paired with the Steel Legion fit

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is it worth it lmao

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(aka does it look good)

tall torrent
sour patrol
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Is it just go to phage tree level, dont use ammo until the final sprint to Masozi, and then just stand at the end shooting the poxwalkers?

uncut pebble
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Use a shotgun.