veteran-class

[silk lance]

Nobody will detect you if there's nobody left

[cyan verge]

that is true

[silk lance]

Dead enemies deal no damage

Or you could just keep posting on discord I heard Fatshark will give you that penance if you send enough messages

[cyan verge]

I am waiting for low intensity malice to spawn so yeah I can do that

imminent message barrage inc.

[analog mural]

Make sure to tag the wardens too, they love that

[cyan verge]

they need to hear about me not beating 'on overwatch'

[pseudo fiber]

There's also the copy pasta about it

#veteran-class message

[cyan verge]

oh that's useful actually thanks

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/bus-test-fail-gif-12190297

you mean these training wheels?

[grand perch]

Lore accurate wound curio user

[odd sparrow]

Trueeee

[umbral scaffold]

Here is hoping you get what you are trying to get

[merry coral]

and stay far away from barrels

or just shoot on sight

I almost got a no damage run once, until a teammate decided to shoot that barrel next to me

I was.. extatic.

[round geyser]

but barrels are a barrel of laughs

[merry coral]

Well

I was not laughing

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[merry coral]

mfw

[brave pond]

running an extra wound isn't really bad, if you're competent and don't go down easily you can manage with only two wounds, I usually do an extra wound just because things can happen, janky trapper net, that random poxer that does like 250 damage out of no where.

but generally, Vet has the most toughness regen passives out of everyone for killing things. along with VoC which just acts as a full toughness regen.

[merry coral]

I'd argue that Psykers have the most toughness regen by killing stuff

[brittle turret]

That's awesome.

Until there's not much stuff to kill easily.

[merry coral]

then pray

litteraly

[brittle turret]

It do be like that

[tough tiger]

am bored, should i use shotguns?

[merry coral]

No

[tough tiger]

die

[merry coral]

[dry cloak]

Yes try them

All of them

[merry coral]

Double barrel weapon specialist is very fun tho

I don't really care for comabt shotty

[dry cloak]

Combat shotgun weapon spec is also fun

[round geyser]

i do like to think i'm competent to a certain degree but i've being bonked in the back of the head wayyyyy to many times and instantly died when i was on my last bar of wounds

and this was was with the 1 wound

[brave pond]

blocking does protect your backside, but doubles the stamina cost to block

[round geyser]

i thought blocking only works from the front?

[merry coral]

Nope

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[merry coral]

Like Endros said

but tbf the game tutorial or even the trainings are not really clear on that aspect

and it won't be of use when 5 totally silent crushers spawn directly behind you

I'm not Bitter.

[merry coral]

A whole new world just opened in front of your eyes

[round geyser]

nah i just did it cause of ya profile

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[merry coral]

I'll take it

[brave pond]

yea, blocking attacks from your back take double the stamina cost to block the strike, I think it also applies the push around you? but that one I ain't 100% yet

[merry coral]

Watch me block an overhead from behind with my dinky tiny knife

(I'm dead)

[midnight remnant]

Hello, im new at the game. I'm looking for a veteran levelling build but I only find builds with late game weapons. Any help?

[idle swallow]

https://tenor.com/dvX7YsJLUug.gif

[verbal burrow]

You can just use whatever you like until 30. After you hit level 30 you can then move on to using whatever you like.

[pseudo fiber]

Early game just build towards shredder frags and voice of command

From there do whatever

[jolly hemlock]

i would recommend use the free weapons you get from mission rewards and look what u like.

otherwise theres a very extensive document in the pins you can read up about weapons

if you tell us what u like to play we could give you a more indepth answer

[midnight remnant]

For now im enjoing with Axe + Infantry AutoGun at level 2 missions

[jolly hemlock]

rashad or tactical axe

[balmy flume]

The infamous stealth backspawn.
No matter how experienced you are you will always fall victim to it at some point.

I think the worst thing is that a Crsuher has no spawn sound cue.

[merry coral]

Yup

[clever hedge]

Those and the silent trapper spawns

[cyan verge]

I got it

[clever hedge]

A solid starting weapons combo. Especially when leveling up to malice you can use whatever you get or can buy. Autogun stays good even into late game and so do Rashad axe. Recommended also trying recon laz and chains word as you unlock them. All good weapons that are simple to pick up

[midnight remnant]

Rashad

[jolly hemlock]

as stated above its a good weapon if you like it can be used even late endgame but basically every weapon can ^^

[placid portal]

I use Mk4 Heckbore and don't get kicked

[umbral scaffold]

what is the aura keystone for vet?

[tame lodge]

Ok
Aura and Keystone are different things

The popular aura are the left or middle

The popular keystones are the middle and the right

[merry coral]

or no keystone

[cyan verge]

any way to disable 'scavenger'? maybe by picking up a different passive or something

hm or wait maybe I already had it disabled when I took close & kill and someone else had scavenger...

[uncut ocean]

why'd you want to disable free ammo?

[balmy flume]

The penance, possibly

[cyan verge]

for getting uh yeah the penance

[balmy flume]

Ye nowadays Vet has 2 other passives.

I think even Scavenger could still work with it previously (due to a method which I cannot explain too well right now, but something along the lines of “if you hit 000/0000 at any point you count as using up all ammo even if you passively regen more”)

But I wouldn’t bet on it too heavily.

Also, the other nodes you want to avoid are the free Las Ammo on Crits, and the one giving you more ammunition carry capacity.

Also also, it’s only accuracy, so remember you don’t have to kill the target you shoot at.

(Slow bosses like the Beast of Nurgle help with this)

[cyan verge]

do you have to be there from the start of the mission btw

[dry cloak]

after you shoot all your ammo and hit it just dont equip your ranged weapon

[cyan verge]

yeah, I guess I can try that

[remote sonnet]

Use the double barrel shotgun.

[balmy flume]

It would work against you, but I don’t think so.

(Less time to actually use up the ammo)

[cyan verge]

it just says 'complete a mission on heresy with no ammo and 90% accuracy' whereas on overwatch says 'complete a full mission'

so I am gonna guess you DON'T have to be there from the start... I guess

[cyan verge]

I have heard also use the revolver, or a low ammo count grey plasma gun(?)

it depends how accuracy with the shotgun is calculated...

i.e. if any one pellet hits that counts as a hit, or if it's, EVERY pellet hit counts as an individual bullet fired

[balmy flume]

Double Barrel is only effective at close range.

And I think double barrel is actually solid slug based, not pellets.

[cyan verge]

interesting...

[remote sonnet]

Double barrel is easy to get 100% accuracy, and you can still empty a dozen rounds at the end and still get above 90%.

[dry cloak]

no its not

[balmy flume]

Oh right thx for correcting.

[remote sonnet]

It's pellets, but only needs 1 pellet to count as a hit.

[dry cloak]

only slug round is on agrip shotty after special action

[cyan verge]

I'll try a double barrel and report back

[merry coral]

[tame lodge]

Huh
Did they add more description to Haymaker?

[tardy rivet]

I was thinking about that penance too, gotta get that double barrel mastery up and try it

[remote sonnet]

Combat shotgun with tactical reload node burns ammo incredibly fast. However, the rapid fire makes me miss more than I want to.

[cyan verge]

did not get it but I died like 8 times... so I'll try again

[vast plume]

Friend of mine got the penance by accident while doing this. Just don’t pick up ammo.

[cyan verge]

anddd, don't die either

[remote sonnet]

You got it?

[cyan verge]

nah I am lookin for a decent map

wow I am orange now, I'm a gamer, I'm one with the emperor

[balmy flume]

It just means you are active enough 😅
But it IS siginificant becuase now you can post screenshots.

Or images, but usually for, y'know, screenshots.

[cyan verge]

I can post screenshots like this

[balmy flume]

Congratulations!

[cyan verge]

yeah I'm happy about that one

[remote sonnet]

I got that one on a pissed off game.

[balmy flume]

With regards Maps for the Accuracy penance...I'm almost tempted to say almost any map.
Except Inter-Void.
That opening stretch is not friendly to careful aiming. Even with a double barrel, I feel.
(too many explosive barrels to avoid, and there you shoot as quickly as possibe to get away from dropping off the map)

[remote sonnet]

Was trying to get it 5 times in a row, then in that last game, I got hit by melee at the start (no hp damage, but I didn't know). I was enraged and melee/parry the whole game with the devil claw and got the thing to my surprise.

[balmy flume]

That penance is nicer in that only heath damage counts, not toughness.

[cyan verge]

there we go finally

[balmy flume]

Grats!

[cyan verge]

yeah thanks now I think I can play somewhat normally

[balmy flume]

I still need one last Grim for the penance

then I can forget about ever collecting that stuff ever again lol

(I have enough resources to not really need it at this point, and I tend to re-roll the Melk task if it shows up)

(and I already completed the Scriptures penance)

[remote sonnet]

Which one is that?

[balmy flume]

There are two penances.
One for collecting 75 Scriptures (IIRC) and one for 75 Grimoires.

It's also split into 3 stages.

think it's 25/50/75

Melk also has a weekly task which asks you to collect 8 Scrips/Grims (interchangeable for this task) for Melk Bucks

[uncut pebble]

100 scriptures, but yeah

And Melk's task is 16 scrips/grims.

[shut marten]

what curious are best for veteran?

[clever hedge]

Toughness and stamina

[shut marten]

alrighty

[clever hedge]

If your more new toughness all 3

[shut marten]

going for mostly a ranged build

[balmy flume]

Also eventually need 200 health by any means.
You need to surive mutiple bursters at some point once you are in deep enough.

[clever hedge]

High level players add one or two stamina curios but I am not that good lol

Good ol bursters

[balmy flume]

Remember to check the pinned guide

which includes Curio tips and explains the choices

[balmy flume]

Stealth crushers, Burster + Tapper Combo, Multi Burster rushes, Burster and Mutie combo...
Auric AI is pretty much off its meds 99% of the time.

[clever hedge]

Lol I know, I have seen the burster mutie combo waves

Trappers are the bane of my existence

[hollow ibex]

nah not necessary

[clever hedge]

But auric vent purge with specialist squads is a special nightmare

[lucid heart]

found several grimoires

[hollow ibex]

if anything, learning to manage your stamina well is the sign of a good player lol

[brittle turret]

200 corruption/second

Nurgle apostle

[balmy flume]

I am assuming it is a display bug because otherwise you will literally be dead from corruption. Or have 1 HP left.

[broken spade]

a stamina curio is nice for some builds, but i'm not using one for every build

[lucid heart]

delicious

[clever hedge]

Don't disagree there, see some people do it for knife builds so they can stack more crit on knife

[hollow ibex]

new havoc modifier

[shut marten]

thanks

[balmy flume]

Or should it be Grim protocol lol?

[brittle turret]

Agree to disagree? I mean with not having any stamina at all. It's undeniable it can give you more clutch potential having more stamina. It's just one of those things that's up to preference imo but I think it makes sense that a better player can get more mileage out of extra stamina over toughness.

[slow spade]

compromise? that's not how 40k works

[tall torrent]

It’s preference, usually get at most one +3 stamina

[slow spade]

brb sending an inquisitor to your home

[hollow ibex]

massive opportunity cost to taking a stam curio, i push and push attack frequently and don't need it.

[tall torrent]

It’s just that including a stamina curio reduces ur curio perk options quite a bit if u still want >200 health

[hollow ibex]

unless you're running deadshit or something

[clever hedge]

Clutch potential does come with stamina but again it's also about builds, certain ones it's just more stamina than needed. Even in the most dire moments

[hollow ibex]

i just don't think it's worth

[lucid heart]

well if u dont get hit then u can just do more push attacks with stam curio

i like stam curio on thammer

very stamina hungry weapon

[hollow ibex]

just don't get hit 🫡

[balmy flume]

Overall Stamina is a choice that is dependent on your weapon I'd say.

[slow spade]

imo it depends on weapon

[tall torrent]

I personally think stamina is not necessary outside of knife

[slow spade]

like rashad doesn't really push attack/block much

[lucid heart]

100% dependent on weapon

[balmy flume]

I run PSword/BP and don't have Stamina bonuses (though I did take one node reducing the Stam refill time, I think)

[lucid heart]

and build ing eneral

[slow spade]

meanwhile Psword uses push attacks and shoves fairly often

[brittle turret]

If you don't get hit, you don't need health or anything.

You should only be using dockets for your curios because that's the best way to maximise dockets per hour and that's facts

[hollow ibex]

just don't get hit bro 🫡

[balmy flume]

Anything Toughness or Heallth, Then Sniper Resist, Then Gunner Resist

is what I'm having nowadays.

[hollow ibex]

(that one teammate who doesn't know you can push bursters )

[tall torrent]

I want to see the “don’t get hit” bros’ avg damage taken stat

[lucid heart]

200 damage average

[broken spade]

I like stam curio on focus target/duck and dive builds because they scale off % and it's easy to maintain without needing stam delay node

[slow spade]

0

[brittle turret]

They tend to fall off the map and die - that doesn't deal damage, only deth

[slow spade]

3 stam curios + deadshot + recon

[tall torrent]

Scoreboard still records that as damage

[lucid heart]

deadshot recon 😭

[faint beacon]

VOC + Iron Will + CK + O4B

0 Damage taken 💪

[slow spade]

I find I take more damage from allies than enemies

fucking pugs can't help but shoot enemies in Mutated Horrors

[broken spade]

deadshot recon using 4 million stamina to fire for 2 seconds

[lucid heart]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[slow spade]

even when they're clearly being handled in melee

[lucid heart]

it costs 400,000 stamina to fire this weapon for 12 seconds

[hearty panther]

Actually it turns out Mutated Horrors pop from friendly fire too

So it isn't always your teammates but an enemy gunner lmao

[hollow ibex]

the changes to flamers really pisses me off

[balmy flume]

I always thought the explosion dealt no damage (only physical pushback)
at least that was what it felt to me.

[hearty panther]

It's 8 damage

[brittle turret]

Does alt f4ing record the damage? >:(

[slow spade]

7-8 damage

[balmy flume]

Huh no wonder I don't notice it much. Will keep it in mind.

[slow spade]

same :c I get why but I wish it didn't lol

[tall torrent]

Do u alt f4 on the avg

[broken spade]

alt f4 every time the enemy attacks

[brittle turret]

only on sedition

[slow spade]

"if hp < 150 -> alt+f4"

[hollow ibex]

YSK: the enemy can't hit you without your consent

[faint beacon]

I see an enemy start walking towards me I alt F4

[brittle turret]

Just do a run where you don't see enemies, I'm sure it's possible

[lucid heart]

average lights out game

[faint beacon]

most miserable modifier

lmao

[hearty panther]

fucken what

[lucid heart]

its not even atmospheric its just annoying seeing nothing 😭

[clever hedge]

The demon host aren't going to pop themselves

[slow spade]

Ogryns going 2 years with no flashlights

I never do Lights Out on Ogryn

[umbral scaffold]

Ok so here is what you should always run for both P sword “ is Power cycle (2+ charges) for the Mark IV the next blessing should be Brutal momentum, as the push light helps break point crushers and maulers, as well as the spammy light attack helps with Horde clearing easier ( possible dump stat can be cleave instead of cleave damage or mobility as one usually does). Mk3 should entail Surge (20% heavy attack and cleave per swing). This is cause the heavies work in tangent as the light combo with the Mk IV. , having surge helps give boosted damage as the light attacks are a mix of Vangaurd and sweeps in one making some horde encounters inconsistent

[umbral scaffold]

It’s jerk chicken

Never had jerk chicken?

[remote sonnet]

Light out and fog/vent on smelter are horrible.

[umbral scaffold]

They are only bad if you can’t shoot 15+ meters

[bronze trout]

I mean because of the increased demon host spawns your not able to use the flashlight too much anyway

[umbral scaffold]

No one really needs flashlights

Just spam spot

[hearty panther]

Not in potato chip form

And I will continue to not

[broken spade]

i would try it

[hearty panther]

A bag is eight goddamn dollars

I could buy actual jerk chicken for that price

[broken spade]

wtf

[balmy flume]

Flashlights are helpful for your really early Lights Off runs to start with

but once you memorized the map enough

then yea, you have better gun options

[balmy flume]

Inflation

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve seen worse flavors than that

[umbral scaffold]

Then buy actual good jerk chicken

[hearty panther]

potato chip flavours are my barometer for how far we stray from gods light

[slow spade]

I love sea salted chips c:

[idle swallow]

I'm a simple lad I like salt&pepper chips and sometimes onion

I believe true chip enjoyment is found in simple flavors enhanced with choice of a good dip

[merry coral]

quick question

is field improvisation bugged or something

cause my medi pack aren't clearing corruption at all

[tall torrent]

It clears up to the current wound

[faint beacon]

8 DOLLARS FOR JERKY?

[merry coral]

oh

[faint beacon]

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU LIVE?!

[merry coral]

oh yeah that would explain that

[faint beacon]

Holy Inflation

[merry coral]

Thanks, I never knew that it was only for the current wound

[tall torrent]

check the pinned guide

[idle swallow]

Yeah the only thing that can heal past the corrupted wound threshold is a med stim or medicae station

or being rescued technically

[lusty sapphire]

Even if it doesn't clean everything i found it handy for the new modifier/event. Double beast of nurgle tends to leave you with quite a bit of corruption

[mental brook]

Anytime i use the Plasma Gun as a Veteran, it's the equivalent of taking a bite out of Eden's apple

Cookie clicker ass gun

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr9AXmlg6hM

Tanner is starting to fight the people in his comments

[mental brook]

been hearing a lot about this tanner person for the first time

[broken spade]

i'm not gonna watch the vid but i hate smokes too

[sleek garden]

I don't care about this guy but listening to his "rebuttals" and putting words in this guys mouth is stupid

[balmy flume]

I don’t have to touch Grimoires ever again.
Or so I hope.

[sleek garden]

"he says smoke stops flamers from flaming you! It actually doesn't! They just have to be in line of sight of you which the smoke breaks so they have to get in your face to use it!"

so the smoke still does its job

Idk

[balmy flume]

Now time to level up my oggy and get some more penances there lol

[lusty sapphire]

Can I have a tldr of this?

[mental brook]

why not just use.
krak or shredders.

[orchid hemlock]

sure

[sleek garden]

I have been using smokes to great effect lately, toss two in a room and enemy shooters will run to cover then try to push through the smoke

[sleek garden]

specialists are forced to push through it and get in your face

[lusty sapphire]

I figured

[manic moon]

what is there to tldr on a tanner video

[mental brook]

oh?

huh

[manic moon]

95% fake info , 5% broken clock is right twice a day

[sleek garden]

smonk debate

[mental brook]

smokes arent as useless as i thought.

[orchid hemlock]

he's literally recording himself getting mad at reddit comments

thats lit the entire video

[lusty sapphire]

They are budget psyker bubble

So no they are not useless

[orchid hemlock]

actually 0 self esteem core

[sleek garden]

There is one place specifically I will recommend you try smokes to improve your opinion of them and it's the end event of water purification

[lusty sapphire]

But you know. Frags and kraks just provide more value

[lusty sapphire]

Yes, actually great point

[faint beacon]

Just understand they're very toxic and refuse to reason with people

[broken spade]

objectives are a legitimate reason to care about smokes

[faint beacon]

a great reason why people dont like them is the great "Uncanny strike is bad" argument

even though 100% rending

[broken spade]

but i also just don't care enough about them

[faint beacon]

is incredibly overpowered

[mental brook]

yeah i dont like sweat meta tryhards in PvE games

[orchid hemlock]

bruh, this video is literally 18 minutes of him reading the comments to his vet video https://youtu.be/Uh7j-xx1tLI?si=fll4SY_YP7p2ZVQy

[sleek garden]

They block off lines on sight in areas of no cover, which means the shotgunners and heavy gunners that are ripping you to pieces suddenly can't see and are forced to run to cover/push up to you

[faint beacon]

Its literally armor bypass

[orchid hemlock]

that's the entire video

[mental brook]

you dont need to argue so much about it, literally just let people play what they want.

[faint beacon]

100% rending is armor bypass LMAO

[orchid hemlock]

actually 12 year old mentality

[sleek garden]

If the catachan had uncanny strike it would be over for maulers

[mental brook]

i dont understand half of the game stats and indirect mechanics but i can very much handle my own in a auric damnation

[sleek garden]

Devils claw*

On an unrelated note I posted a darktide video on Reddit thinking why not surely people might want to see a rippergun shred a horde

I was surprised by the amount of comments saying that it was just a waste of ammo and I should have taken the pickaxe or the rippers are junk

But like

That's the rippers job

mulch hordes

[balmy flume]

It’s…well, Reddit

[lusty sapphire]

Eh yes'nt. Was it just chaff?

[sleek garden]

yeah

in a choke point while my teammates were fighting a nurgle bulwark

[grand perch]

ive seen the video, and while in that situation yeah, unleash the ripper, you have suspiciously low ammo as if youve been overusing your ranged

[ancient path]

reddit moment.

[lusty sapphire]

Like yeah it can do that but the ripper is there to clear mixed hordes and in the case of 5 snipe elite or specials

[sleek garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/s3xXrDgBd0

[sleek garden]

Yeah I had gone through another horde before that

[lusty sapphire]

I only say this cause ammo reserves for ripper are kinda bad rn

[remote sonnet]

If I have rapier, I will absolutely get a high cap gun to clear the horde. It's just me.

[visual remnant]

I use the ripper to kill specialists and that's about it

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/13hcg4d/ripper_gun_ogryns_wasting_the_teams_ammunition/

relevant

[sleek garden]

my ripper is the mark that sucks at everything, it takes like 3 shots to kill a trapper

but the spread is very wide on braced

[broken spade]

that's a horde of entirely poxwalkers
nah that's actually a waste of ammo

[visual remnant]

I think i use the V

[broken spade]

rushing past the bulwarks to magdump poxwalkers is...

[visual remnant]

I havent touched my ripper since the days of vt2 talent tree

[sleek garden]

knocking over the nurgle blessed bulwark is not a bad idea I think

[lusty sapphire]

Ah the 6, that's peculiar. Very useful on gunner lines

They peak to shoot and their heads pop lol

[broken spade]

it's not bad to rush through them
I just think you should maybe just shoot the bulwarks, or melee the poxwalkers after

[sleek garden]

Great for bruiser hordes as well which can be a bit more of a trouble than poxwalkers

[broken spade]

shooting hordes is fine if there are threats mixed into them and you need to clear space quickly to properly fight

there were no threats there

[sleek garden]

there was no threat there was just a sea of targets

It had to be done

We still won that game

I had a very large amount of kills on basically everything except elites and specialists so I suppose I kept the chaff off the team

I like to be focused on vanguard gameplay

More often than not the entire team is knife/rapier/heavy sword revolver/bolter

so I usually take high capacity or wide sweeping weapons

[broken spade]

heavy sword users would just consider the chaff to be free toughness heals, so that one isn't the best example

[umbral scaffold]

True

[sleek garden]

Zealots aren't exactly struggling for toughness in most cases though

[umbral scaffold]

I beg to differ but depends on how you build

[broken spade]

zealots don't struggle with toughness as long as they have enemies near them

[umbral scaffold]

^

Or the relic but that’s an actual ult ability that favors team play

[remote sonnet]

Isn't that the case with everyone?

[broken spade]

yes, but zealots favor being inside a group to an insane degree

[lusty sapphire]

Nope. All of the other classes have nodes for ranged kind of toughness regen

[broken spade]

psykers can regen toughness very easily without being near anything

vets have voc

and catch a breath if they choose to

[sleek garden]

I was also using the lame ogryn setup of feel no pain and stay close

[remote sonnet]

Psyker can self regen, but they regen extremely fast when fighting.

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah taking quel

Removing quel

Doing damage

Criting

[broken spade]

psyker regen is just nuts in general

[remote sonnet]

Although not necessarily in melee, I run Smite.

[lusty sapphire]

Yes but they don't need to be in the thick of it

[umbral scaffold]

For vet it’s mainly, killing to get toughness

[broken spade]

to compensate for dying in 3 hits

[coarse wolf]

relic is not useful, it's just another pause button. they are not struggling with toughness because of the single talent that gives % toughness on dodge

[remote sonnet]

Force sword with warp kill regen work well for me in damnation.

But I know that it is unpopular.

[lusty sapphire]

To be honest i do not mind zealots toughness regen conditions. They are very nice for aggressive plays

[broken spade]

toughness on dodge is pretty insane

[sleek garden]

I play a very headshot oriented build on veterans it's a pain when my speedy zealot teammates rush the gunner lines and knock them all over and stab them to death

I need them to stand still

[lusty sapphire]

It's just that the other classes have a more comprehensive list of how to get toughness in any situation

[coarse wolf]

zealot being the most melee focused of all 4:

[broken spade]

zealot's survivability all comes down to being in the fight, which works well for them anyways

[sleek garden]

ogryn is in a weird spot where they kinda have the zealots job

[umbral scaffold]

If anythign zealot was best when the skill update was out but got shafted overtime with other buffs from other characters lol

[remote sonnet]

I go VoC and weapon specialist. Work quite well until there are 8 ragers at once.

[sleek garden]

But it's more about disruption and setups than the direct kill it seems

[umbral scaffold]

His skill set is legit you either do Crit damage only, or you do pure damage only, or you avoid damage with stealth

[sleek garden]

definitely has not stopped me getting 3 zealot games every time I play

[remote sonnet]

People just love the big chainsaw.

[lusty sapphire]

Press voc. You switch for the ws buff and all those ragers should go

[remote sonnet]

Sometimes some of the ragers don't fall down for some reason.

[sleek garden]

I love the foul mauler and his heavy chainaxe

Rrraah let me through

[umbral scaffold]

I mean to each their own lol

[sleek garden]

And also coolest outfit in the game

[sleek garden]

I don't blame them, been trying out a devils claw fury of the faithful build and it's a lot of fun

[broken spade]

i like zealot as mindless fun

[remote sonnet]

I think Zealot is also the easier one to clutch.

[broken spade]

the feeling of being basically unkillable while surrounded by a fucked situation

[sleek garden]

Speedy tax axe zealot build is a lot of fun

[hollow ibex]

eh

[coarse wolf]

dclaw is just a fun weapon

[thin socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr9AXmlg6hM

[sleek garden]

Oh not this again

[lusty sapphire]

[thin socket]

Been sent this like 10 times now lol

[lusty sapphire]

We just finished with that

[thin socket]

I habitually shit on smokes

[coarse wolf]

smokes are funny

[sleek garden]

I always use it on my veteran because it's so reliable without melee talents but I saw a video of someone one shotting a crusher in fury of the faithful while parrying

I had to try it

[hollow ibex]

i should try dclaw on zealot 🤔

[wild vortex]

this guy just needs to fuck off tbh

[coarse wolf]

have to perfect parry though or you lose all stamina

[hollow ibex]

the flack adm is just so sad though

[sleek garden]

My zealot has like 12 bars of stamina

[thin socket]

why do you sound kinda upset

[sleek garden]

The only problem I have is when I try to parry while using fury

[sleek garden]

His voice and his videos appear to be annoying

Idk the smokes seem to do exactly what they say they do

[thin socket]

They do not.

[coarse wolf]

it's universally known tanner's not the smartest and makes brain dead takes a lot. one being "uncanny is not a good blessing"

[thin socket]

What they do can be resolved better by just killing things

[wild vortex]

this is the 2nd video I've seen from this fella that's spouting nonsense

[thin socket]

Anyone saying uncanny is a bad blessing is wrong

[sleek garden]

If people in this game had a weapon that one shot the entire screen at once and it was full auto and infinite ammo everyone would use it

[wild vortex]

"everybody agrees you should not throw smokes at your feet" is this everybody in the room with us right now?

[coarse wolf]

he also said you can't one shot a gunner with blades of faith without stacking uncanny, which is also wrong

[orchid hemlock]

already posted

[coarse wolf]

i made an entire video calling him out on that one

[hollow ibex]

how about this

[orchid hemlock]

sorry im the #1 tanner hate watcher 👿

[hollow ibex]

just stop posting tanner vids

[sleek garden]

I usually throw it between me and the enemy but smoke at your feet is still good for ranged fire

[hollow ibex]

stop giving the clown attention and clicks

[thin socket]

You can bypass bringing uncanny if you already have something with built in armor pen or dmg up

there's almost no reason to bring it on zealot since faithful has full pen, as an example

[wild vortex]

real

[coarse wolf]

no, blades of faith one shot all gunners on damnation with zero buffs

[sleek garden]

I think it's silly the deimos with uncanny makes the charged attack irrelevant for some reason

[thin socket]

also ds is just bonkers because it has tons of absurd blessings

[thin socket]

I am already very aware of this

[coarse wolf]

dorn I'll kill you

[thin socket]

did you mean to ping someone else

[lavish token]

stop giving his acolotes attention either

[coarse wolf]

read it wrong my b

[thin socket]

knives are fun to use

[coarse wolf]

and uncanny lacerate my beloved

[thin socket]

they just took a lot of time to get use to em

their throw trajectory and how they can be affected by movement is a thing lots say they dislike about em

[sleek garden]

Is rampage a necessity on the duelling sword

[remote sonnet]

Go bong with shovel. I take the trench shovel because I actually use them in real life.

[broken spade]

tfw you feel proud of yourself for landing a 30m tknife on a sniper but then you leg shot a flamer right in front of you 4 times in a row

[thin socket]

Rampage is a trap blessing

[sleek garden]

A flat horde damage boost

[lavish token]

too busy thirsting over psyker i am afraid

[faint beacon]

You know how it is 🚬

[thin socket]

Would say use the finesse boost and your comfort blessing of choice instead

I don't ever bring it on duel sword and deal with hordes fine just by light spammin

[tame lodge]

With Rampage up
One groaner per swing
One walker per swing if critspot

[faint beacon]

I can argue Rampage is useable on like

DS5/2

[sleek garden]

also here was a thing of me testing smoke in a very basic way

[faint beacon]

but if you're using 4 just stick to Finesse and crit

[sleek garden]

what's the duelling sword with the extremely long dodge

[lusty sapphire]

On 2 especially. Very balanced but you lose a bit of single target dmg

[sleek garden]

i had to stop using it because i kept falling off cliffs lol

[tame lodge]

5

[sleek garden]

i tried using it and threw myself off cliffs by accident like 3 games in a row

[remote sonnet]

Use it on the train mission and you will fly all over the place

[sleek garden]

the dodge is a little too good

let me try some smokey shenanigans again real quick

also i kinda like the achlys combat axe

[latent sundial]

heretic

[grand perch]

achlys axe 🤮

tried making it work multiple times. never happened, its just trash.

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a weird pseudo of mixing horde clear with a heavy sweep and a very small light swing

[sleek garden]

they changed it last patch

i think

its always spike attacks now

i believe out of all the tac axes its the best against armor

[tall torrent]

It’s better than Tac axes vs armor
But it’s not as good as the other 2 combat axes

[sleek garden]

It seems generally be the least effective against hordes

[wind grotto]

watching this while i'm eating lunch and it's physically painful how incapable this man is at having a brain, dude shows multiple instances of the comment being correct and then going well actually they can do it if they walk inside. just lmfao.

[sleek garden]

All the attacks are pretty much overheads

But pretty fast

The side heavy is definitely not for horde clear

It uses the spike end

[tall torrent]

It is for horde clear lol

[sleek garden]

it doesn't have even a little cleave

[remote sonnet]

Its max cleave value is like 2.5.

[white minnow]

0.001

though brumo exists

[tall torrent]

BM kill 4

[remote sonnet]

I just did a no down (myself only) auric run with the combat shotgun somehow.

It was horrible

[tawny timber]

ew

why cant fatshark just make them use the alternative fire as normal fire

would be so good if it was always using dragons breath or slugs or sm

[compact marsh]

Mk II or Mk X heavy laspistol?

[tall torrent]

II

[tame lodge]

Mk II

[remote sonnet]

Dragon breath shot is so bad. Its normal shot carry.

The duckbeck shot is the most useful imo, but it doesn't have enough damage for heresy/damnation.

[hollow ibex]

Slug is the best imo

Still not great though

[dire olive]

If it were just a toggle rather than 1 shot that'd be great

[tawny timber]

yes

[tawny timber]

its tacticool

[wooden oar]

haven't played this game in a while. Are infantry lasgun and the revolver still up there in strength?

[hollow ibex]

revolver yes, ilas no

[wooden oar]

Which is better now revolver or that new bolt pistol

[tame lodge]

Revolver Zarona
Bolt Pistol is more akin to a side grade

[hollow ibex]

bpistol is good for really specific builds, zarona is just flat out stronger overall

[grand perch]

i still think people underestimate ilas a lot. especially the IIb

[hollow ibex]

Parkinson’s the gun

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-scared-hands-shaking-shivering-gif-18714091

[thin stone]

Is there any purpose for it given how good the recons are now?

[hollow ibex]

Better ammo economy

Though recon las already has really good ammo economy

[grand perch]

no need to spend points getting to onslaught. less talent point tax in general

[hollow ibex]

Well you definitely don’t need onslaught on recon either

[grand perch]

for mkXII? id say you do

others yeah not so much

[thin stone]

Mk12?

[grand perch]

fastest firing recon

[thin stone]

The really fast firing one?

Yeh

[undone jungle]

that's a lotta options for the plasma gun

anyone got any favorites?

[thin stone]

Which infantry lasgun is the best according to you?

[grand perch]

IIb, but id consider Mk VII good as well

[thin stone]

Which one is that?

[grand perch]

IIb = small fast firing one, mk VII middle one

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot Power Blast (it's dogshit)

[thin stone]

Ohk

I personally like the middle one

[hollow ibex]

Not needed unless you want to mag dump crushers

[grand perch]

why wouldnt you want to do that

[hollow ibex]

Which I don’t think is a good idea anyways

Waste of ammo

[grand perch]

not many guns can do that viably, so i very much wanna be able to do that

[thin stone]

What weapon is best for Damnation Twins?

[wild vortex]

can someone help me understand how Blaze Away actually works on semi-auto weapons

[thin stone]

I tried with my Recon lasgun and I sucked

[hollow ibex]

if only ammo was the only thing it wastes...

[thin stone]

How to deal with crushers then?

[hollow ibex]

melee, or krak if you're taking them

[tame lodge]

Plasma

[thin stone]

I got krak

[hollow ibex]

i take krak because i don't see much of a point of taking shredder on recon las

[thin stone]

Ooh, why's that?

[remote sonnet]

Plasma gun

[narrow frost]

autoguns

really easy to break the barriers

then melee the bosses

[tame lodge]

100 cleave one tap machine allows you to eliminate any elite or Specialist across the map

[narrow frost]

but if you are focusing the elites

then plasma

[thin stone]

Braced or infantry?

[narrow frost]

braced

[thin stone]

I personally like agripinaa braced

Ohk ohk

[thin stone]

Melee with plasma sword i suppose?

[remote sonnet]

In harder difficulty, you need the team to support you, too.

[narrow frost]

knife or DS, for mobility

because you need to run around the room

[thin stone]

So going with randoms is a pretty bad idea

[remote sonnet]

Like vet as main dps then someone else needs to crowd control vs the horder of ragers and maulers.

[thin stone]

Alright, that was the main mistake I made

I went in with randos

[remote sonnet]

Yes, I am barely able to win in heresy despite being to run normal game in damnation quite comfortably.

[thin stone]

Fair enough

[undone jungle]

frankly vet isn't the best class for twins, I find ogryn with PBB fire bullets does the trick a lot better

[thin stone]

I somehow did it in Heresy, but our "team" (band of only veterans) was there

And we got cooked hard

[remote sonnet]

A single psyker with smite can make the last fight so much easier.

[thin stone]

Exactly what I was thinking

[undone jungle]

psykers in general are kind of great there, bubbles toughness regen REALLY helps and they can be horde-clear powerhouses letting the team focus on the fight

[thin stone]

Yup

V/s in Normal missions, it's not really a problem if you have 4 vets

[tall torrent]

vet is usually the "elite clean up" role in twins

[narrow frost]

@thin stone Want to do twins rn?

[thin stone]

Sure

Give me a sec to boot up my laptop

[narrow frost]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146264721404004

[tropic abyss]

@tall torrent does crit affect anything other than damage?

[tall torrent]

Give me an example of what you’re trying to talk about

[tropic abyss]

cleave

[tall torrent]

Unaffected
Unless u have specific cleave blessings related to crit

[tropic abyss]

how's the extra damage from crit spread out among multiple targets? does it affect cleave damage distribution?

[tall torrent]

Every target gets hit by crit value of the standard cleave damage distribution

[tropic abyss]

as in, no damage fall off or damage fall out on base damage, but not on cleave damage?

[tall torrent]

hypothetical example
first target 300 base dmg, finesse for crit is 1.7x
2nd target 60 base dmg, finesse for crit is 1.7x
if u crit, u deal 1.7x of the cleave dmg distribution on every enemy

[narrow frost]

@thin stone Check pins

[tropic abyss]

I see

[shadow dagger]

what do smokes like actually do

[broken spade]

they smoke

[shadow dagger]

I'm spitballing here but I always just kinda assumed it would reduce max ranged attack distances and the distance from which enemies would take up slots

iunno the finer details of slots either but that's a subject for another day

[remote sonnet]

Block vision

[tropic abyss]

annoy your teammates

[shadow dagger]

yeah I don't need to be told the equivalent of 'guns shoot bullets'

what does the gun do to the other guy

the guy I'm using it on

[tropic abyss]

enemies can't fire into the smoke, dogs can't jump into the smoke, snipers can't target you into the smoke, I think it works on flammers too

[remote sonnet]

Stop them from shooting at you so you can do other things more effectively.

[tropic abyss]

if both units are inside the smoke (you and the enemy) they can shoot freely at you, doesn't work on snipers who will always move away from it

[remote sonnet]

It sounds obvious, but it really is.

[tropic abyss]

smoke radius is not as big as it looks like

[drifting oak]

smokes are u s u a l l y more of a detriment to good teammates than they are a boon

[tropic abyss]

they suck

[drifting oak]

they correct for shit positioning but good players don't stand in positions where the entire world has free line of sight to them

[broken spade]

i tried smoke nades a few times

[drifting oak]

in theory if you have a suicide zealot who is literally just standing in the center of a room and enemy shooters are firing in a U-shape around him you can smoke the zealot

in practice, no teammate who is going to last longer than 5 minutes in auric will be in such a shit position in the first place

[tall torrent]

check the guide

[broken spade]

i would toss them and then run to the gunners and melee them before the smoke set off
so they never did anything

[shadow dagger]

I'm on mobile rn

androids have historically shit themselves when approached with large documents

mine has, anyways

[drifting oak]

the better you have maps memorized and know where you pull back to avoid sniping lines and bad gunner spawns, the less you need to use smoke as an "oh shit"

for "direct" disruption, you can just use frags which have the benefit of actually killing things you throw them at

[broken spade]

my friend has been bringing smoke nades to our games lately

[remote sonnet]

Compare to other aoe utilities grenade, smoke has slightly longer duration.

You don't need to throw it at enemy 's feet. You just just need to throw it between you and the enemy. Though it is very niche.

[broken spade]

"look, i made the gunners stop shooting us"
"no i killed them already, and i'm not even standing in the smoke"

[drifting oak]

this is true

But very often your team can just step back like ~10 or so meters behind a corner and pull a bad gunner-ambients squad into a position where they just conga line to their death

no need to use smoke

when wall will do

now if you have shit teammates who insist on charging into a U you can use smoke to try and help them

it would be better to just do the intelligent thing and LOS them with terrain in the first place, and there's almost no places where you have a drop down AND instantly have nowhere to go

[remote sonnet]

Again, it is niche.

[tame lodge]

🗣️
🗣️

[slow spade]

but if I don't use smoke, how else will I vape?

[lusty sapphire]

Flamer. Inhale the fumes of burnt prometheum. Feel the emperor cleanse the heretics with holy fire

[dreamy ginkgo]

i wish stuff on the guides would mention damage dropoff i've been using vraks for a bit on veteran and realising the damage dropoff is insane compared to columnus is sad

or atleast, would love to see that info in game

[radiant chasm]

IAG?

[dreamy ginkgo]

yeah, iag

so far, experience with IAG is columnus is only good for shooting mid-range, agripinaa has too little ammo, and vraks is good mostly for magdumping bosses and close range dumping

[tall torrent]

I can include that

[dreamy ginkgo]

would love to, but i have no data at all to share

[tall torrent]

I’ll just add a line of “worse damage decay over range”

[dreamy ginkgo]

all i know is columnus had way less damage dropoff at 30 meters than vraks and it made me realise that it's never mentionned in game

Yeah, that would work

[tall torrent]

It is mentioned

Check stopping power details

[dreamy ginkgo]

oh you're right, i gotta check another thing to know that, thanks

[tall torrent]

Added

[dreamy ginkgo]

i wish it was near the attack breakdowns, instead of having to look on that

[rancid egret]

[hearty panther]

i kinda wanna

produce a graphic of that

cause some weps do have pretty impressive fall offs lmao

[dreamy ginkgo]

Thanks you

[dreamy ginkgo]

thinking of one, iirc the racon lasgun mk 14* (the slow firing one) has way less damage dropoff from what i've tested real quickj

but this isn't mentionned in stopping power, because it doesn't have that

actually i might have smoked something testing again and it seems to have maybe the same

actually nevermind, it seems to happen on unyielding, which i did my testing at first

[radiant chasm]

there is no reason the slug shotgun should fall off as hard as it should

and i haven't checked but accatran damage fall off is a steep cliff, feels worse than double barrel

[hearty panther]

shredder is also funny

the regular shotguns are weird since ADSing changes the profiles

i usually use wartide to verify damage drop offs for myself

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

site hasnt updated in a little while tho

[balmy flume]

Technically an Ogryn thing since I am farming penances for it but

God damn

I forgot how clueless some newcomers are…

[queen fox]

this is true actually, my unoptimized slug shotty only 1taps ranged on headshots <10m away

no reason for that on what is supposed to be a single shot long-ish ranged weapon

[hollow ibex]

and it's bullshit that bistol and zarona get hitboxes the size of a barn

while slugs need to be pinpoint accurate lol

[slow spade]

clearly we should load bolter rounds instead of slugs then

[rancid egret]

Bolter Pistol with classic chainsword seems nice.

I know it's not meta, but I'm willing to try and just to clutch games with it on damnation later on.

Try hard basically

[queen fox]

its almost meta tbh chainsword is solid and bolt pistol is very popular

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s very far from meta lol

Popular doesn’t mean strong

[queen fox]

ease of use and actually enjoying using it are both things that make a thing in a game better

whether its a character in a moba or a weapon in a shooter

not being the highest dps or most optimal burst dmg might not make up for the massive hitboxes and fast draw time

and having big satisfying numbers might not make up for having an incredibely satisfying sound effect

[gritty mural]

chainsword is a balanced weapon, its just that all the popular weapons are over tuned to hell and people have a bad sense of balancing because of that

[hollow ibex]

I’d take that

[timid wolf]

My first damnation win. Time to play with the big boys.

[sleek garden]

Good work

Won't be long before you're blowing heads off in auric

[rancid egret]

Nice

[rancid egret]

Preach my brother, preach!

[rancid egret]

I'm glad it's not nerfed to the ground though for the sake of "balance". Lol

[gritty mural]

if theres anything that needs to be nerfed would be the plasma and dueling sword

[hollow ibex]

DS "nerf" should just be returning to being a psyker exclusive weapon

plasma being THE meta weapon is the old days

[umbral scaffold]

hello fellow soldiers, guns amiright?

[tall torrent]

there're many more than that

[gritty mural]

no doubt about that, just those two i would like to see adjusted first

[fading yarrow]

It's a little crazy how common +3 Stam Curios are

Pockets overflowing with speed

[orchid hemlock]

Sorry here in Vet chat we "debate" over Rashad

[heavy rover]

come on now, we all know shovel is best amirite

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gif-18440123

[cyan verge]

what's so great about the duelling sword

[tame lodge]

Big single target against everything
Safe against hordes

Oh Special attack makes it safe against everything as well

[clever hedge]

SHOVEL

can also one shot crushers as well

[tame lodge]

Not as safe though
That's important

[umbral scaffold]

it looks cool and makes me feel gayer

[cyan verge]

also I do not like this penance lol

someone asked me to throw a grenade on their downed body and all I could do was go "eh" and toss a smoke onto them, pointlessly

[jovial aurora]

@tall torrent which double barrel blessings for weapon spec?

[tall torrent]

manstopper + scattershot/flechette

[jovial aurora]

difference between scatter and flechette?

[ancient path]

i thought roaring advance would be cool on a braced but its so lame 😔

[languid estuary]

suppression needs a rework

[ancient path]

both barrels if you're a chad.

[jovial aurora]

but why would you waste the blessing on weapon spec?

[ancient path]

its fun bracing and holding w + m1 and blowing people up

and weapon spec lets me choose inbetween doing both doom 2016 gameplay and playing weapon spec

[radiant chasm]

i like it as it is, silver lining on top of actually shooting/killing things

I would not like it if it was a main mechanic to play around

[ancient path]

both playstyles are fun and both barrels allows me to do both

vs just doing quick swaps

[radiant chasm]

at that point i'd just do deathspitter both barrels

[ancient path]

not a bad idea

i'll try it out

but note that you should listen to vet guide and not me because im just a dumbass who plays what i think is fun more than playing whats actually meta

aka, if youre a chad play both barrels. :^)

then when fatshark gives vets the ability to sprint and reload im gunna play both barrels with run and gun

[jovial aurora]

you have just maniac on the top combo?

does that mean the other is just open?

[languid estuary]

power creep has made suppression kinda useless because you can just kill everything with super low ttk now

[radiant chasm]

yes and imo, it is one of the things that is good power crept

low ttk and revenge firing will always be better for player mood than having to waste bullets if suppression was mandatory

[tall torrent]

flak + maniac

[white minnow]

people who want power fantasies can always choose lower difficulties

for now, we can't go higher

[radiant chasm]

shooting enemies makes other enemies panic and suppressed, which is how it should be

[white minnow]

but it is too binary

[radiant chasm]

you should not be encouraged to miss, because for the average player, that feels bad

[white minnow]

you straight up turn ranged enemies off

it should do something like player suppression and just increase the spread of ranged enemies instead flipping their off switch

[ancient path]

why i hop on 4s sometimes. plus sometimes i want to play darktide but not hear mutant ASMR of auric damnation / maelstorm

[radiant chasm]

some enemies do continue firing but lose accuracy

reaper and gunners mostly

if you have a low stagger weapon

you'll notice it, like the recons

[ancient path]

im not even sure what fatshark can even do about mutant asmr.

[white minnow]

and it shouldn't cause them to cower

eg., the scabs are trained soldiers

why the heck are they cowering under a bit of fire

[radiant chasm]

i think it just needs to be more location dependant

so they aren't cowering in the open

if they are already in cover, then yea, hiding behind it is the logical soldier move to go

[remote sonnet]

Me as a trained solider, we take cover under fire all the time.

[white minnow]

yeah they could retreat to cover

[radiant chasm]

but if they are in the open, they should be bolting to cover

[white minnow]

except enemies in the game cower in the open?

[radiant chasm]

dregs can be a bit more of a mixed bag, since they are untrained and cultists

[white minnow]

lore stuff aside, it is just a bit much to completely make ranged enemies stop firing

[remote sonnet]

Because if you bring logic here, then enemy should never in the open in the 1st place.

[white minnow]

ranged enemies should just continue firing at reduced effectiveness (increased spread)

[radiant chasm]

that might just be, weapon stagger values are overtuned on some weapon classes

[white minnow]

I'm only bringing a bit of logic to show highlight some absurdity

[radiant chasm]

shotguns and boltguns? yea i can see that knocking someone out of shooting

even if it deosn't kill cause warp magic

[white minnow]

no shit I don't want it to be completely realistic

[slow spade]

Isn't it obvious? They can just spawn more

[radiant chasm]

they do

it just, hard to ever notice

you need a low suppression and low stagger weapon

which at this point

[white minnow]

note the "just"

[radiant chasm]

is just the recons

[white minnow]

I used that qualifier very intentionally

and I've stated that they shouldn't cower or stop shooting completely besides getting staggered

[tall torrent]

they do, u have to get a full suppress to force them to stop shooting

otherwise they continue firing at reduced accuracy

it's very noticeable for gunners

[white minnow]

yes and they also cower at some point

my overarching point is that they shouldn't cower in the open

or at all

(and they should fix suppression for projectiles to not be insane)

[tame lodge]

Even Rocks have suppression value 😭

[hollow ibex]

checks out

[white minnow]

and instead of requiring the developers to be careful about the suppression value of weapons where the firerate and whatnot can vary and with a somewhat complicated suppression system, you can rely on a system that doesn't have such a binary cutoff beyond which ranged enemies turn off, and you trust in the process to soft-cap whatever suppression value you give to weapons

[hollow ibex]

i'd be suppressed as fuck too if a 10 foot tall abhuman chucked a slab at me

[tall torrent]

u should prob try to be a playtester so this feedback actually gets seen

[white minnow]

maybe

i need to figure out who to bribe

i imagine that this sort of thing has already been said by crab anyways

just a matter of devs giving priority to fixing it

[tall torrent]

probably

[terse idol]

Depends what ya mean

The game could get very weird if enemies would instantly cower and go into cover if you suppress them

[white minnow]

ye

[queen fox]

it makes much more sense than them standing in place doing nothing

[white minnow]

in some ideal world where you can program the ai perfectly, some would go to cover and some would immediately fire on you

and yaddi yadda

[queen fox]

the ones running to cover would fire at you while the guys who stood run to cover

would be fascinating if the coordinator could be that good

maybe in the next game when we're killing necrons

[terse idol]

Its a game thing

Like in my mind it would make gunners

Much more sticky and annoying

[queen fox]

remove suppression speed debuff

pls

PLS

[white minnow]

ranged enemies currently do exist at the other end where they chase a bit too much for my liking
them being more entrenched would make rushing them down in melee a bit harder

[queen fox]

suppression should be about decreasing enemy accuracy and making them retreat to cover, not stunning them in place. that's stagger's job

[white minnow]

yeah basically just make it the equivalent of what they do to us

[terse idol]

Well issue being suppression is when they cower
Stagger and levels of it is a hit stun or being knocked to the groouund

[tall torrent]

Suppression first reduces their accuracy, then changes their behaviour

[broken spade]

hi path

[silver rover]

anyone know which modifier to aim for 60% on when investing in a weapon? is it generally mobility

[hollow ibex]

yes

check pins

[silver rover]

thx

[umbral scaffold]

Who here watching the Mike Tyson and Jake Paul fight

[iron marten]

lol

[umbral scaffold]

BRUUUH

Brian rot momento

[iron marten]

the Taylor and Serrano fight was kinda insane though

[umbral scaffold]

I slept sadly through the Female weight division idk I got so baked

I missed the 9 rounds of the fight

[iron marten]

rip

[umbral scaffold]

It’s ok

Power Nap for the main event

But that head butt

Fucking hurt

[iron marten]

I winced everytime I saw that wound full view

[umbral scaffold]

THAY THING WAS OPEN

Ain’t no way that shit was allowed

[strange summit]

Which guns aside from the bolter and revolver pierce the enemies to hit more than 1?

[hollow ibex]

quite a few, depends on which enemies you want to peirce and how many

plasma has basically infinite pierce

same with fire shotgun special shot

[trim steppe]

2 vets in my lobby with perfect powerswords rocking +10% weakspot damage

[strange summit]

Thanks, I forgot this gun pierced enemies. I don't play vet too much until recently

[merry coral]

uh, I didn't even know I had it already

I was preparing for it, glad I checked lmao

[trim steppe]

"Why won't it pop?!?! Oh."

[thin stone]

[cyan verge]

what're the best blessings for duelling saber

[tall torrent]

Check the pinned guide, anything >2 can be considered as “cleave” gun

[mortal horizon]

hows this for a bolter nuke build?
and what blessings on bolter, is surgical just best still, or calvacade/pinning viable?

[mortal horizon]

this seems good too ill try it but idk if i like the tactical reload over volley adept

[orchid hemlock]

U cna move twinned blast

i just like it with frags cus its funny

[merry coral]

riposte / uncanny is aa pretty solid combo

[orchid hemlock]

volley is ass because it is below one of the worst nodes in the game

One motion is 1000 times better

on Bolt

[mortal horizon]

i just hate having toi leave ammo

in the mag

[orchid hemlock]

u just need 1 ammo

[merry coral]

or riposte / precognition if you want to double down on dodge power

[mortal horizon]

pita lol

[orchid hemlock]

that's much easier than having to kill an elite

[mortal horizon]

not rly

elites are infinite on auric/maelstrom

and its 5% more speed

but ill def give it a try

[orchid hemlock]

ok and what happens when u mag dump a boss?

leaving 1 of course

also the reload again isn't the problem, all of the nodes on the left side are generally ass

u are also not taking confirmed kill or COD

forget the reloading for a second

[frank basin]

Lot of cat pfp

[orchid hemlock]

u talk about how easy it is to kill elites, but u dont take the most OP elite killing skill in the entire tree

[thin stone]

Which one

[orchid hemlock]

Confirmed kill

[mortal horizon]

im guessing grenade

oh

[thin stone]

Yeh I have it

I am a shouty boi

[orchid hemlock]

u get 20% of your toughness back every elite kill

and it stacks infinitly

[thin stone]

Very useful with ragers

Aka Travis Scott fans

[merry coral]

and to maintain iron will

[wild vortex]

WS Vet is something else man

[orchid hemlock]

longshot is ass, ET is ass (unless you are going born leader), Voley is OK

[thin stone]

WS Vet?

[wild vortex]

Weapons Specialist

[thin stone]

Oh

[wild vortex]

right side keystone

[thin stone]

Yeh it's gud

I don't got it cause I have skill issue

[mortal horizon]

why 'keep their heads down' over 'for the emperor' does the suppression make a difference, i feel like bolter supresses already

[orchid hemlock]

its because the added suppression helps prevents ur teamates form resetting the suppression

[thin stone]

Can someone recommend a build for Recon Lasgun Mk12? I got Infernus and HH on mine

[orchid hemlock]

if u are shooting at someone with the boltgun, and then someone else shoots them, they reset and you then get shot back

[mortal horizon]

what blessings you using on bolter with this?

[thin stone]

Oof

[thin stone]

Why not the elite keystone on left side of tree

[orchid hemlock]

it depends how you will use it, check the guide

[thin stone]

Right next to critical las

[merry coral]

idk, maybe trade onslaught for it

probably better

[thin stone]

Ok cool

[mortal horizon]

gotcha, i tned to like the calvacade build but aiming and using surgical is nice too ill mess around

[merry coral]

I've not been using that build since a loooong time

[thin stone]

I'll show my build in a sec

[orchid hemlock]

for this event for example since I want to do maximum boss damage on the beasts of nurgle I go Shattering and Puncture

[thin stone]

(proceeds to share it an hour later)

[orchid hemlock]

but that is specific to boss killing

[cyan verge]

thanks for the reply... riposte/uncanny looks good

[thin stone]

Beasts of yucky

[merry coral]

tbf I'm using a keystoneless build for lascon

[thin stone]

Same here

No keystone ahh build

[orchid hemlock]

if you want to wipe hordes, then u replace puncture with Pinning Fire

if u want to treat the Bolt Gun kinda like a pistol and use it to aim down shoot things, u go: Puncture/Surgical/Cavalcade

[thin stone]

Bro knows everything

[orchid hemlock]

I personally think Puncture is a boss killing tool tho, but it has value in stacking bleed on reapers

[orchid hemlock]

bruh I just read the guide

[thin stone]

Damn

[mortal horizon]

do you run the shattering for armor units? bc i feel like it wouldn't help boss dmg that much bolter's natural unyielding dmg is pretty high already right?

[orchid hemlock]

Bosses have the unyielding armor type

which means shattering lowers it

[frank basin]

Huh??

[orchid hemlock]

but the main reason is because bleed is horrible against all armor in the game

[mortal horizon]

right but lowering it typically doesn't help unless the weapon does naturally low modifier to unylielding

have you tested this?

[frank basin]

So boss with unyielding like BoN has armor?

Even plague ogryn

[mortal horizon]

unyielding is an armor type

[orchid hemlock]

bleed is a low modifier to unyielding

[merry coral]

thick skin

[mortal horizon]

ya this could be the case it increases the bleed a lot like it does on armor

im gonna test it rq

[austere mica]

Can we just

[orchid hemlock]

no

[austere mica]

Replace burgle with a nurgled up stormfiend

Like

Please

It was better in every way

[orchid hemlock]

bolt gun has no extra modifiers against unyielding

[austere mica]

Check it’s inspect table

[mortal horizon]

doesnt need it

[frank basin]

The breakdown table

[mortal horizon]

its natural dmg to it is even higher than unarmored

[orchid hemlock]

yes but u were asking if it had any "naturally" high damage to unyielding

[mortal horizon]

it does lol

the shattering def helps the bleed i think

[austere mica]

Only gun I know with a (significantly) higher than 100% adm versus unyielding is agrivolver

[orchid hemlock]

shattering also helps the damage in general

brittle is kinda cringe tho

but it does help with your team against the boss

not by a lot tho, brittle is mostly useful into cara

[frank basin]

Onslaught veteran.

Funny

[orchid hemlock]

but its better than nothing, nothing else in the blessing pool lets u magdump one target

fire frenzy requires kills

[mortal horizon]

calvacade helps

is my first thought

or triggering pinning fire with 1 bullet on a crowd, then mag dumping

which is kinda a pita tho

[orchid hemlock]

Cavalcade maybe, but crits dont stack high enough without surgical

surgical plus cavalcade is where it really shines

[mortal horizon]

i consistantly 2 mag a chaos spawn without executioners with shattering'/puncuture, which is nice. trying another way

its pretty even

[orchid hemlock]

u also need to consider the stacks doing damage over time

ive seen people make Cavalcade work by stacking reciprocity tho, so that is an option

[mortal horizon]

if theres a few poxwalkers nearby

pinningfire + calcvacade does the most in 1 mag to a boss

calvacade + puncutre is good too, similar to shattering even with the slightly better bleed

but having the anti armor of shattering too may push it over the edge

[orchid hemlock]

yeah pinning fire if u can stack it is the most lethal blessing for spraying on bolt gun

unfortunately, it probably wont happen on something like a beast

like I said, this is specific to this event

[mortal horizon]

easy 1 mag with target + executioners and pinning

but only if you can get pinning