veteran-class

[slow spade]

saves like 0.1 sec? for most other weapons outside of bolter/helbore

[narrow frost]

That's what I've seen with it

[tall torrent]

Not even 0.1s for most other weapons

[slow spade]

what melee weapon?

[tall torrent]

Plasma gets 0.13s

[narrow frost]

The special pull out animation seems to slow it down

[tall torrent]

Most other weapons are faster

[slow spade]

lol I was being generous

[tall torrent]

But Tac reload is imo more reliable

And 5% move speed is better than 5% health

[quasi tree]

something that will work with most/any if possible but probably combat axes or power swords the most

[slow spade]

yeah the only thing I would change is Confirmed Kill -> Out for Blood but I like to melee

[narrow frost]

What weapons?

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tall torrent]

I could show u worse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306690469899665448/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.14_-_13.35.39.02.mp4?ex=673795d5&is=67364455&hm=6d335778ef95648ccd9e83858a44fed4f629832a607df747af9005e4f84ade6d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306690472202338325/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.14_-_13.40.14.03.mp4?ex=673795d5&is=67364455&hm=a7913604dd91d0ea4a8c080608a33361f6a6d96a45f780b1e15df71a0035018e&

[tall torrent]

From inspecting randoms in the mourningstar

[narrow frost]

I've done challenge runs by only filling out the top of each talent tree

Maybe that's what they are doing

[tall torrent]

No iron will

[narrow frost]

Melee damage node

[slow spade]

FUCK

[quasi tree]

why rashad over antax? im returning, i used to use antax

[tall torrent]

Rashad is usually better

[umbral scaffold]

Why use swap speed for Helbore

When you press F to bring it up automatically with executioner stance

[broken spade]

what the fuck

[slow spade]

reliable build for Combat Axe with actually good nodes lol

[tall torrent]

1 free point, pick what u like

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

[slow spade]

More reliable damage and easier to use Heavies imo

[orchid hemlock]

\

[slow spade]

here's another reliable build for psword. Keep in mind BOTH builds have no idea what ranged weapon you're using

[slow spade]

becaue you can build helbore without exec stance. You are right though. It's just "if" you don't

[worldly pulsar]

Worked great, thanks!

[umbral scaffold]

Here is a Rashad build

[slow spade]

idk what ranged weapon they're using

[umbral scaffold]

Dotn matter you run weapon specialist

Free attack speed and added dodge bonus

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist is shit on some ranged options

Focus Target is just "good" no matter what

[umbral scaffold]

It’s good in general I agree but if you just want something for the Rashad why not take the extra attack speed and dodge to boot

Spam swinging and dodging with an high powered finesse axe is like crazy

[slow spade]

because you need the ranged weapon to kill for that

[wild vortex]

what is this madness

[slow spade]

we don't know what ranged weapon is being used

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver

[umbral scaffold]

That’s on the user

[slow spade]

they never said it was revolver

[slow spade]

and they didn't say

[umbral scaffold]

That’s on them

I dotn make the rules

I’m just the messenger

[hard cave]

weapon specialist for bolter and shock mace my beloved

[slow spade]

then I give them the most reliable option

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/it-movie-im-just-telling-you-gif-8608505

[slow spade]

its not thatcomplex

[quasi tree]

i forgot to say chainsword. would either of those builds work or would there be a separate third build for that?

[slow spade]

weapon specialist is shit if your ranged option doesn't combo well

[hard cave]

chain sword,,,more like cringe sword

[broken spade]

what gun?

[slow spade]

universal build. it will work

[slow spade]

oh wait, use the 1st one for rashad

I forget chainsword likes the attack speed

[quasi tree]

sorry, which one is universal? i like being able to swap weapons a lot but im not a big fan of constantly swapping out entire builds unless i absolutely really have to specialise for a particular weapon so universal builds appeal to me if/when possible

[slow spade]

this one

you can tweak it based on your ranged weapon of course

[broken spade]

I'd like to point out you can switch builds pretty easily by saving loadouts on the top right of the inventory screen

i've seen people miss the button so i just had to mention

[quasi tree]

i know, thanks. once i make so many i get into a bad habit and lose track of them so i try to keep it to a few

[quasi tree]

thank you

[merry coral]

any shovels enjoyers that could help me chosing which mark to use ?

[granite sky]

this would be my go to generic build with a few extra points to spend left over for different weapon focuses

[slow spade]

its a fairly generic build so change as you learn how to use it

[merry coral]

I've landed on the mark 7 cause I'm using it with recon and I need something to kill crushers

[granite sky]

you basically always want superiority complex, tactical awareness, and iron will imo

and at least one of the grenade regen perks unless you're running smokes

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex is very weapon dependent

[slow spade]

^

[vapid nacelle]

What's superiority I forgot it by name

[slow spade]

its not bad to have at least

[narrow frost]

Exploit weakness though

[broken spade]

elite damage talent

[granite sky]

the 15% elites

[tall torrent]

Grenade regen is basically always mandatory

[slow spade]

+15% elite damage

[vapid nacelle]

Gotcha

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex matters for only a few weapons

[slow spade]

isn't it really just the "1-shot" guns?

[tall torrent]

Nah

[slow spade]

the full autos seem to use it well

[broken spade]

on my exec stance/stealth builds i skip grenade regen for demo team

it's obviously much worse but i get to save 1 whole point

[slow spade]

I think Hammer meant just regen in general

[broken spade]

oh

[slow spade]

as Auric definitely gives enough elites/specials for that 5% to proc lol

[granite sky]

yea demo team is fine

[broken spade]

demo team is noticebly worse than regening a nade every 60s

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t need it (can benefit depending on perk set-up)
Boltgun doesn’t strictly need it (can benefit)
Boltpistol kind of wants it
Zarona revolver doesn’t need it (can benefit depending on perk set-up)
Graia 7 v.auto doesn’t strictly need it
Infantry Lasguns basically don’t care
Helbore IV needs it for crusher 1 tap and that’s about it

[granite sky]

I guess demo team is just kinda ass below damnation right?

[tall torrent]

Demo team scales depending on elite horde density & specialist spawn rate

[slow spade]

ah I see what you mean now

[tall torrent]

I think the highest elite spawn rate modifier is CIVI?

[slow spade]

basically

[tall torrent]

CIVI is like close to 700 specialists & elites in a 30 min game

That’s >30 procs from demo team

[thorny mirage]

Lads, which blessings do yall prefer on the stub revolver?

[slow spade]

I miss no cooldown survivalist...

[tall torrent]

Which one

[thorny mirage]

MK XIV

[tall torrent]

Run&gun + point blank

[thorny mirage]

aye thanks

[granite sky]

man I love dogs modifier with demo team, brings me back to the good old days of a dog wave basically being CoD zombies where they drop a nice full ammo at the end

[tall torrent]

I think vet’s current aura balance is good

[thorny mirage]

Recently picked up the game again and started with a stealth build 🫡

[tall torrent]

Survivalist is the best aura with the worst pathing
Other 2 auras are comparatively less impactful but have way better pathing talents

[slow spade]

I agree but to see what is effectively "700% ammo restored team wide" makes me sad :p

[tall torrent]

Usually u don’t need that many tho

[slow spade]

but the mag dump leeway D:

I like to use efficiency as a build-up to let me do stupid stuff :p

[broken spade]

I do see a lot of aura variety when i play with random vets

[slow spade]

yeah its good to see +5% speed aura vets and stuff

[broken spade]

if there's 4 vets, it feels pretty likely that i'll see all 3 auras

[slow spade]

instead of "survivalist or bust"

[granite sky]

I still very rarely see speed aura vets

[slow spade]

ah yeah I should mention I only really see them outside of auric

[granite sky]

but there's a lot more +5% damage including myself running around

[slow spade]

or really jank speed builds

[slow spade]

that node for "toughness regen when no enemies are around" is too good for me

[thorny mirage]

its either that or voice of command, leave me alone

[slow spade]

I love that node

[broken spade]

ok actually think my vet is usually the one taking speed aura

[broken spade]

i have different auras on different builds based off pathing though

[slow spade]

5% toughness regen when no enemies are around is basically "kk I can ignore shooters now"

[thorny mirage]

alright then big man, what should i play?

[orchid hemlock]

when no enemies are around

ok when is that?

[granite sky]

they should try making an actually interesting node for exe stance tbh

[slow spade]

that means I can melee them as I run Out for Blood

[slow spade]

so I'm always "regening" toughness

[slow spade]

fairly often actually

its not as rare as it sounds

[orchid hemlock]

play ogryn

[thorny mirage]

i should, its the one class i havent got on 30 yet

[tall torrent]

Think this way
If you have enemies within 8m of u, you’re prob in melee combat so u have toughness gain
This is basically zealot’s loner aura but it’s conveniently placed next to the best aura in the game

[granite sky]

yea they're both decent choices tbh

[tall torrent]

GBITF works maybe once every 20 games

[thorny mirage]

Goober yearns

[granite sky]

just nothing special

[broken spade]

i decide between the two based on whether i have VoC

[slow spade]

yeah its alternative is just lmao

[broken spade]

i take the toughness regen if i dont have voc

[slow spade]

you should never need GBITF anyways

[orchid hemlock]

VOC for zealots be like:

[broken spade]

if i have voc and confirmed kill, i won't bother with the regen

[slow spade]

Confirmed Kill + Exec stance should cover

[slow spade]

I get it anyways because I can go looting alone

ammo stash? yoink

[broken spade]

i will realistically play very close to the enemies with VoC anyways so catch breath would never proc even if i needed it

but on exec stance i get the appeal

[hard cave]

veteran mains when they

[slow spade]

smh not running off from your team to nab loot

[broken spade]

no i run into the enemies

fuck looting

[granite sky]

is there any point to run serrated blade on anything besides a mercy kill knife? 1 stack seems pretty awful to me tbh

[tall torrent]

No

[hard cave]

why are there two mushroom people

[broken spade]

wtf

[hard cave]

stupid fungi

[broken spade]

wah

[hard cave]

[granite sky]

stealin my profile pic smh

[hard cave]

strangle eachother through your advance fungi networks

[broken spade]

i think i've had this profile pic for over 5 years now

[merry coral]

waaaaah

[hard cave]

barrel explode eachother

[granite sky]

since 2018 here you gotta change bud 🍄 there ain't enough mushroom for the both of us

[hard cave]

murder the fungi

[slow spade]

as someone who has used this Iowa pfp since 2017

I would kill anyone else using it as well

[hard cave]

cringe

[slow spade]

She's best girl

lest we forget

[balmy flume]

Anime is not cringe.
Unless you spend money on all the merch.

[hard cave]

no, the second part of the message

[balmy flume]

Ah my apologies lol

[hard cave]

[slow spade]

too late, barrel'd a psyker because they looked at me funny

[orchid hemlock]

🙄

idk chief, everytime I look at r/zzz literally all of the posts are nsfw

[hard cave]

[slow spade]

its a lose lose sadly.

You buy the merch so you look cringe

but the merch gives the biggest cut back to the author usually

[orchid hemlock]

the greatest mystery in life, the horniest people are the ones with the least game

[balmy flume]

But...that is reddit. What could be expected :🤣

[slow spade]

reddit user complaining about nsfw

hmmmmmmmm

[orchid hemlock]

hey man at least I admit how cringe reddit is

[slow spade]

idk what you expected

[orchid hemlock]

when i see god at the pearly gates ill hide nothing

[balmy flume]

Does self awareness of cringe provide cringe immunity?

[orchid hemlock]

nope

[slow spade]

it certainly helps

[orchid hemlock]

but it does help

[balmy flume]

Well full points for honesty there for sure

[slow spade]

my workplace is full of boomers and I will gladly make 40k references

[balmy flume]

Because they get it, or because it goes over their head?

[orchid hemlock]

at least put it this way, Darktide no longer has the cringe vtuber content creators anymore

they all left to leech off of another trend

[hard cave]

we need more vtubers

[orchid hemlock]

pls no

[hard cave]

they bring in more rejects

[slow spade]

one of our machine broke down because the OS is no longer supported. (Windows 7)

[hard cave]

its called guerrilla marketing

[balmy flume]

They should leech off on a certain someone trapped in South Korea.

A person most can safely despise and laugh at.

[granite sky]

yea some vtubers playing would be a giant boon for the game

[orchid hemlock]

i never understood why people enjoy listening to girls who sound 12 with stripper outfits, but then I realized....

maybe they are a necessary evil 🤔

an FBI watchlist so to speak

[granite sky]

game is pretty terrible to watch anyways tbh so having something to pull them into trying anyways would be nice

[balmy flume]

A legit thing even Fatshark could do though

Is to have the VAs stream a round

Of their own voiced characters

[balmy flume]

Better to know where evil is visible and in sight, indeed.

[orchid hemlock]

exactly, you keep them off the streets too and drain their funding

holy shit, vtubers are actually cringe to be based?

[balmy flume]

The Alpha Legion move

Be cringe to be based/chad

[tall torrent]

I think vtubers playing is not a bad thing

[balmy flume]

Can't go too wrong, unless they are absolutely bad at it

[orchid hemlock]

idk, i dont think the....audiance..... will like darktide too much

"why do all of the FEMALES look old and gross???"

[balmy flume]

...though now come to think of it

I would pay good (metaphorical only) money to watch Amalee try to play a round

[tall torrent]

There’re some other big YouTubers getting into Darktide

[slow spade]

the only real issue I have with vtubers are the tourists ones that just do drama videos

[balmy flume]

It's unlikely they stay, but they could accidentally attract fans with genuine interest

[slow spade]

I saw one vtuber that rebranded into roman char and immediately started doing Total War Rome content

[orchid hemlock]

isn't that all of twitch?

[slow spade]

very funny

[orchid hemlock]

look what happened to HD2

[balmy flume]

Also, imagine unknowingly PUBG'ing into a Darktide round with a VTuber 🤣

[slow spade]

hence why I don't watch twitch :p (also I hate their ad policy even though I use adblockers)

[slow spade]

at least its not like dude with "TTV" in their name

Apex and seeing a TTV in a name made me go berserk

[merry coral]

agreed

[granite sky]

is an opportunist + slaughterer chaxe the best melee for applying a buff to shreddies?

[carmine cradle]

dum dum or deathspitter on recon las?

[slow spade]

I go Dum Dum

its more consistent in my experience

[balmy flume]

I thought that got fixed? Or is the bug still around?

[slow spade]

I think it got fixed

but I personally haven't used chainaxe

[quasi tree]

rashad perks/blessings?

[wild vortex]

Does anybody have a nice build for using Recon Las?

[slow spade]

I personally go Maniac (fuck ragers) + Unarmored

but I hear Carapace + Unarmored is more reliable

[wild vortex]

I want to try it out

[granite sky]

tbh I enjoy rocking the lethal prox bp for frag bomb sized shreddies just for fun which was why I wanted to know melee

[slow spade]

Blessings are always Brutal Momentum + Headtaker on Rashad

[wild vortex]

Bonus points if it involves Marksman's Focus

[quasi tree]

ty

[granite sky]

yea it doesn't seem to be working to buff the shreddies even while held out that's a bummer

[tall torrent]

Carapace + unarmored/elite
brutal momentum + headtaker

It’s all in the guide

[slow spade]

if only there was like a guide for vets with objective data and tested observations

someone should really make one

[granite sky]

the guide literally doesn't have lethal prox interaction mentioned at all so I would rather test myself

since it seems out of date or incomplete

[tall torrent]

It… does?

[granite sky]

which one then

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094038976 this does not

[frank basin]

That’s steam version

[slow spade]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

use this one

[tall torrent]

there's a guide pinned here

[frank basin]

The pinned one is word doc

[rocky spear]

Hello, i’d like to grind the krak penance, what would be a good build for it? ^^

[tall torrent]

Take both grenade regen talents + grenadier
Throw kraks at enemies wearing flak body armor

[hard cave]

My ass only threw it at ogryns and maulers until I realized kark attached to all armor

[granite sky]

also shouting enemies to get them to bunch up on the ground can help occasionally

[hard cave]

I was at 499 until I realized it was flak armor and carapace

[balmy flume]

Right time to farm the last 10 Grimoires

Then never touching them again unless my teammates ask for it lol

[light mantle]

Ever have one of those games that's an utter deathmarch and makes you quit out and contemplate retiring to a quiet agri world somewhere?

*Quit out after completion

[bronze trout]

Guess I need to do grims at some point

[merry coral]

I just chugged 3 grenades at random cause there was a crate before the final event and

ok then

[clever hedge]

NICE

[ancient path]

vindictus but darktide.

i love how huge this variation of the sawed off is

[inland glade]

I'm convinced this shit is outdated. Same distance, same angle, flat ground

Fail

It needs way more time to cook

[orchid hemlock]

i still remember g@mers thinking the game was "woke" at launch because there was no "hot" women in it

im sorry but Hadron exists

😤

yall are blind

[ancient path]

my love for hadron

with sawed off gameplay, could i avoid cqk and pick up reci? i want that good crit chance.

[vapid nacelle]

the urge to complete the event for rewards

but I am NOT playing hab dreyko with lights out 😭

[merry coral]

Do it

[vapid nacelle]

I can't

There's only so much pain I can endure in one mission

Mutated horrors + lights out on hab dreyko AND with pubs? hell no

[merry coral]

[vapid nacelle]

I'm just gonna wait the 2 minutes for it to leave the board 😭

PLEASE HELP IT RESET TO ANOTHER HAB DREYKO JUST WITH HUNTING GROUNDS INSTEAD

[wild vortex]

did mutated horrors hi int Hab Dreyko yesterday

AND WON

Smoke supremacy

[vapid nacelle]

help my teammates are british too

(they're all using knives)

[wild vortex]

tell them you have spices

[tall torrent]

What melee

[tall torrent]

Autopilot speedrun malice event mission 10x

[vapid nacelle]

the vet was using a recon las and kept making them explode on us

I left

[tall torrent]

Speedrun malice can’t be that bad

[merry coral]

Orgryn challenge not walking in front of me shooting baddies all the time (impossible)

[narrow frost]

it doesnt matter now

they changed it

bullets go through teammates

nor does it do damage

[merry coral]

sure but I can't see where I'm shooting where my whole screen is flesh

[wild vortex]

that just means baddies Ogryn's problem now

[floral hearth]

i mean

ogryn already does everything

might as well

[vapid nacelle]

malice lame

[tall torrent]

U could speedrun regular damnation 10x as well, it’s not that bad

BoN is not a super threatening boss

[vapid nacelle]

I bit the bullet and tried the hab dreyko again and it actually went well

I ended up with 3 zealots and they were a pretty nice team

[covert urchin]

Dump stat for helbore las gun?

[vapid nacelle]

Stability

[ancient path]

power sword for leveling but i think im prob gunna slap heavy sword on it

so itll be swapping from p sword to heavy sword

[tall torrent]

That’s basically giving up carapace damage

[ancient path]

yeah. i run krak tho

not something i play in auric damnation. i think id run p sword in auric damn

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t recommend relying on krak as ur only source of carapace damage

[ancient path]

thats fair

[lavish token]

Is it though

[tall torrent]

Sorta

[lavish token]

As long as you have power and weakspot you should be fine

Zealot just scales better off it

11k single hit pretty consistent

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword takes like 6 (?) hits to kill a crusher

[slow spade]

don't worry I'm sure the game wouldn't send multiple crushers c:

[arctic rampart]

Just yesterday the AI director sent 10 at once! I'm not sure that's a truthful statement...........

[hollow ibex]

Sounds like fake news

[brazen parrot]

Anyone got any tips on how to do "On Overwatch" Penances

[tall torrent]

@narrow frost u wanna help?

[brazen parrot]

yes pls I've been trying all week

[faint beacon]

VOC, anything that doesn't make you take HP damage at all

you can get it

you could get someone to play Bullgryn for you and play Big Brother for you whilst you sit in the back

[narrow frost]

I'm in vt rn, but if you are on later sure I can help

do you want to cheese it or play it normal

[brazen parrot]

there is a cheese?

[narrow frost]

yup

you jump off the map

I speedrun

you get it

yippee

[brazen parrot]

that would be very nice

just @ me and I will be here

[next jay]

Hello people I just wanted to ask: are combat blades good against monsters? I was thinking in getting one with a Lot of bleed and rending for that

[umbral parrot]

But ain't death = damage?

[narrow frost]

fall damage doesnt count

*out of bounds

the kill box doesnt count

[umbral parrot]

Woah! Lol

Dang. I feel dumb.

Alright, i hate to say it. But the black Assault Chainaxe looks cool.

Any good builds for a Veteran with this?

[hollow ibex]

I like to meme with chainaxe and invisibility

[runic flower]

voice of command and weapon specialist
the chain axe is not great though

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty good at what it’s intended for at least

Has a meaningful niche

[minor kettle]

best plasma gun blessings and perks?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[arctic rampart]

do you use charge on the plasma or do you shoot shoot, vent heat, shoot shoot style

[austere mica]

(One of these is objectively better)

[broken spade]

should pretty much never charge

3x ammo cost

[austere mica]

And only 2.6X damage

[hollow ibex]

And lower dps

[minor kettle]

no charge

[inner temple]

If you charge its a loss.. I just like the cool effect more

In the end you can still do an auric T5 with trash weapons with little to no stats. Its more skill based than you realize. So in the end? Do what you want.

Your equipment carrys you so far after all. The rest is based on skill. You can have all gold weapons and items most meta stuff and if you really suck you're not passing malice unless your team is atleast understanding.

[tall torrent]

Seek my pinned guide

[inner temple]

Hah nice

[orchid hemlock]

mom and dad are fighting again 😔 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7j-xx1tLI

[junior hawk]

can i run these talents with helbore lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Probably? Wouldn’t recommend tho

[junior hawk]

am i going to miss some breakpoints?

i guess i need shock trooper

[tall torrent]

No, it’s just that Helbore is nowhere as good as Boltgun in terms of deleting everything that’s causing problems

So u will end up feeling more vulnerable

[junior hawk]

i just want to try helbore but not sure what it needs overall

VoC might be a safer option

[tall torrent]

it does benefit from exe stance a lot

[round geyser]

forgive me for saying this but compared to my pals that are the ogryns.....veteran is a shit class

[narrow frost]

I can help now

[brazen parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-emperor-warhammer40000-warhammer40k-astartes-gif-14334202

[urban hollow]

any good boss killer build?

[queen fox]

thammer zealot can almost 1hit bosses

[inner temple]

You try that with shroud?

Because they kinda can lol. If everything is right

[round geyser]

am i the only one who thinks the veteran class feels weak?

[glacial yacht]

lol yes

plasma go brrr

[inner temple]

Yes.. Vet class is honestly strong

[glacial yacht]

I have "meta builds" in all classes and none are weak. psyker is a bit squishy but other than that all strong

[round geyser]

idk i guess just playing as the other 3 classes made me think this

is all

[glacial yacht]

make a plasma build

or a infantry auto builod

[tall torrent]

Are u used to melee mechanics in the game yet

[round geyser]

with ogryn yes

[tall torrent]

What build are u running with vet

[glacial yacht]

better yet are you fully leveled with vet yet?

[round geyser]

yes i am

[tall torrent]

Plasma is pretty hard to build especially for new players

[glacial yacht]

it's not too bad now with mastery

[tall torrent]

It’s the hardest weapon in the game to perfect roll and requires very specific talents & perks to hit breakpoints

[glacial yacht]

it requires perfect roll to be the most effecient but if you got max damage and stoping power and talents you're golden for hitting break points

[tall torrent]

Still needs very specific talents & perks

It’s quite restrictive in terms of builds

I think new players are better off with Vraks V, recon and revolver usually

[broken spade]

it's not like a suboptimal plasma build is gonna be a bad weapon though

[glacial yacht]

yeah if you're playing vet tho its something you should work towards building up

[glacial yacht]

i see the issue, respectfully

[tall torrent]

Are u doing penances or smth

[faint beacon]

Okay- for someone running veteran relatively new

[round geyser]

no why?

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u using

[faint beacon]

It’s not horrifically unoptimal and has the handful of basic good pick talents

So I mean kudos there

[glacial yacht]

true

[faint beacon]

But still there will be optimization

[faint beacon]

You would’ve seen Gale tweak the fuck out if you passed out on Iron Will LMAO

[faint beacon]

Honestly

[tall torrent]

if u play knife

get stamina regen boost node (either)

[round geyser]

yes

[faint beacon]

Path down Voice of command

And try to grab serrated blade talent

[tall torrent]

infiltrate has extra talent tax compared to VoC & exe

[glacial yacht]

try this with that autogun

[faint beacon]

There’s a huge reason as to why

With your knife having mercy killer

You’ll constantly proc it with serrated blade

[tall torrent]

are u using knife just for running around or do u want it to be a proper melee weapon

[faint beacon]

Cause its always bleed on hit

Istfg

If I see

[round geyser]

just using the knife for running around

[faint beacon]

Rashad

[tall torrent]

what difficulty are u mainly playing

[faint beacon]

Genuine question, do you use melee more or gun

[round geyser]

gun i try to use mostly but if i need to use melee i will

[round geyser]

gotten into auric recently on veteran

[tall torrent]

ok definitely try to engage with melee more

[faint beacon]

Bad habit you’ll need to curb

[glacial yacht]

generally melee hordes and gun down elites

[faint beacon]

You tend to want to use your gun for elites or specials

[hard cave]

[tall torrent]

veteran is the hardest class to pick up on in terms of melee fundamentals but u'll have to learn it if u want to do well with veteran

[faint beacon]

Any Chaffe/Trash enemies kill with your melee

[faint beacon]

Creature

[hard cave]

[tall torrent]

for a knife it's basically "fight everything with melee"

[faint beacon]

[round geyser]

ugh so what melee weapon should i use than if not knife?

[tall torrent]

u can use knife

the melee weapon u choose is not the point

melee mechanic fundamentals are what u need

[glacial yacht]

i like the mk 1 shovel

its easier to use

[tall torrent]

stamina management, horde management, target priority, positioning, dodges, etc

none of this change on a fundamental level between weapons u choose

[faint beacon]

its more so we're trying to get you to get way fucking better with Veteran, Melee of choice really isn't the issue its more just you'll have to focus using it more over your gun

You'll notice you'll be taking tins less

[queen fox]

but its really fun headshoting enemy shooters with a lasgun

[glacial yacht]

i admit i do blast into hordes with vraks with marksmans focus

[junior hawk]

I think knife's safety profile is quite different from most other weapons tho

[queen fox]

knife and ds5

[glacial yacht]

Im at 900 hours and i still not great with the knife. People love it and it is good but i think the skill ceiling is quite high on it

[queen fox]

knife is just different from other melee

[tall torrent]

Knife is usually not particularly worth on vet imo

It’s like, invest more points into melee than every other melee weapon and speedrun to get ~equal in total damage

Can be fun

[glacial yacht]

yeah id agree. i have my gun for bosses and big bois. i just want a melee to take care of hordes easy and thats not exaclty knifes strongsuit

[queen fox]

can you build mk7 kantrael to 1tap gunners without executioners stance?

[round geyser]

what melee weapons are good for hordes

[tall torrent]

On crits, yea

[tall torrent]

Combat axe
Power sword
Heavy sword

[queen fox]

is that even worth attempting or should i go back to laspistol

[round geyser]

which mark of the heavy sword is best?

[tall torrent]

It can be fun if u cope hard enough

[tall torrent]

IX

[queen fox]

i find myself using mk7 lasgun exactly how i would a laspistol, its just slower

[glacial yacht]

most melee options feel like doshit to me without weapon specialist besides the shovel

[junior hawk]

i personally find heavy sword to be optimal for learning melee, it's strong but not too op, has pros and cons, doesn't require many talents to work

[tall torrent]

did u try rashad

[faint beacon]

Forgot to mention Mk1 Shovel

[glacial yacht]

yeah very slow without weaon specialist like all the others. the shovel is fast enough and staggers stuff on its own. i do love rashad with weapon speciallist tho

[tall torrent]

u don't have to play WS with it, getting 10% atk speed usually is enough

[glacial yacht]

i just dont run WS much hence why mk1 shovel is in all my builds pretty much

[round geyser]

what makes the IX the best heavy sword?

[tall torrent]

shovel is massively overhyped

[glacial yacht]

whos glazing shovel besides me lol

[tall torrent]

H2 H3 loop are well suited for horde clear and u can loop H1 SP for single target

[glacial yacht]

its not amazing its just good

and very consitent

[junior hawk]

shovel staggers well but kills slowly as it feels to me

[tall torrent]

it actually does not stagger well

[glacial yacht]

i dont have space in any builds to reach the 10 attack speed

[tall torrent]

mk1 shovel can only break rager combo with SP unless u take +stagger blessings

[tall torrent]

maybe consider evaluating ur builds

[glacial yacht]

i know youre not shitting on my builds rn

[tall torrent]

I'm not, I'm just giving recommendations

[glacial yacht]

im good but thank you

if you have a build that reeaches the 10 attacks speed but doesnt use weapon specialist it probably need evaluated to be fair

[round geyser]

thanks

[tall torrent]

u can check the pinned guide here

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

why

[glacial yacht]

because thats a lot of nodes used up for a melee focused build to not go ahead and get a really good melee talent right below it

[tall torrent]

it's not tho?

that's only 5 points into bottom right

most builds can afford that

[glacial yacht]

if you say so

id argue if you show me a build that does that it could be way more optimal

[tall torrent]

Try
1 free point
Rashad + plasma

[tall torrent]

lol

[glacial yacht]

this bottom half instead with longshot

[tall torrent]

That’s 2 wasted points right there

At least 2 wasted points

Possibly 4

[glacial yacht]

where?

[tall torrent]

Competitive urge, focused fire are wasted

+ammo and superiority complex aren’t needed for most weapons

Depending on ur gun they may also be wasted

[glacial yacht]

idk what kinda plasma gunning you do but i just use melee for hordes and blast the shit outta stuff. i dont need any melee nodes and all ranged nodes are a plus

[tall torrent]

I did thorough testing for plasma breakpoints

[glacial yacht]

competitve urge was just a free point. couldd probably go to dmeo team

[tall torrent]

I think you’re missing a lot of crucial info to support your arguments

You could learn a thing or two from my guide

[radiant chasm]

Is there a reliable rule for + reserves and survivalist giving regen breakpoints?

Or well even pickups

[tall torrent]

On plasma it sends survivalist pickup from “getting back 1 shot’s worth of ammo from 3 survivalist procs” to “getting back 1 shot’s worth of ammo from 2 survivalist procs”

[glacial yacht]

ive done some clicking in the psykanium myself and superiority complex help s hit breakpoints does it not

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it matters that much in the grand scheme of things even for CIVI

[radiant chasm]

Yea i think i only run it for the travel or else i don’t run it

[tall torrent]

Plasma breakpoints go as follows

You need:
2x 5% ranged damage nodes
Fire team / redirect fire
Precision strikes
25% Unarmored / (10% elite + superiority complex)

Then it depends

[glacial yacht]

i only run survivalist on plasma cuz i want shredder frag and its the quickest path i guess

[tall torrent]

If u take the superiority complex route (2 point dip), you can choose between flak & maniac for 2nd perk

[glacial yacht]

i do flak unyeilding

[tall torrent]

Flak gives better mauler breakpoint with some crit RNG, and can get u scab rager 1HS with enough rising heat stacks

[tall torrent]

Sorry but that’s missing breakpoints

[glacial yacht]

gunner?

[tall torrent]

Unyielding doesn’t matter for this gun in terms of breakpoints

[glacial yacht]

yes just helps for bosses

[tall torrent]

Unarmored gives u Dreg gunner 1HS and Tox bomber 1 bodyshot

[tall torrent]

Yea, doesn’t matter much, it’s not a boss dps gun

There’s like 1 way to build it for boss dps but in the end ur just wasting ammo

[glacial yacht]

its pretty dang good at it tho

[tall torrent]

It’s meh

At best it’s ~39k unyielding damage from 11 headshots with the boss dps set-up

[glacial yacht]

i use longshot to hit gunner headshot one tap

so i can have extra boss damage

[tall torrent]

Longshot is dogshit unfortunately

I hope you know how it actually works

Because it’s genuinely not worth taking on basically any build ever

[glacial yacht]

i didnt look at the meta data or anything if thats what youre asking but i did some testing in psycanium

it adds enough to one shot gunners at a lil distance

[tall torrent]

Longshot does not do anything from 0-12.5m

At 13m you get about +0.6% damage

It scales based on distance, up to +20% at 30m and beyond

There’re far better talents for hitting breakpoints than longshot

Again, I think u could learn a thing or two from my guide

[glacial yacht]

how are you one shotting gunners with no buffs and no crit?

[tall torrent]

I sent this above

Again, I’ve told u already, I did plasma breakpoints thoroughly

[narrow frost]

The plasma autism goes crazy

just like me

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[tall torrent]

I did breakpoints for mostly every breakpoint weapon on veteran

[glacial yacht]

yeah but youre not runnnig superirority complex

[narrow frost]

sorry then

vet autism

[primal zealot]

lol I blew a few million trying to roll a 69/71 yesterday

[tall torrent]

Yea, I’m running +unarmored

I said it above

[primal zealot]

And I hardly ever use the thing

[glacial yacht]

it doesn twork lol

[tall torrent]

Unarmored grants 2 breakpoints and can be better than elite + superiority complex, if u want to 1 shot Tox bombers

[tall torrent]

Show me

[uneven mango]

Time to party like its 2023

[frank basin]

JOHNNY SILVERHAND!

Big fan!

[tall torrent]

maybe swap loadout and change back
that dmg is way lower than what it's supposed to be
could be a psykhanium bug

[glacial yacht]

ah that did it

im still no one shotting tox bomber to the body withthis

[tall torrent]

tag

[glacial yacht]

oh ok

[frank basin]

What if you encounter 2 tox bomber on auric?

[tall torrent]

5x redirect fire
2x focus fire tag / 1x rising heat

[frank basin]

You tag one of them and wait few stack

[tall torrent]

chances are u are scrambling to tag him and one shot him
or u have rising heat stacks up that u don't need the tag to still 1 shot

it's consistent enough

[radiant chasm]

Tag is for opening consistency

[tall torrent]

I know what I'm talking about here lol

[glacial yacht]

but now i dont 2 shot maulers

[tall torrent]

yea, that's fine

[frank basin]

Are you looking one shotting everything?

[queen fox]

how do i use the shock maul

[glacial yacht]

oh for you lol

[queen fox]

its one of the last melee weapons i need to get lvl20 on

[glacial yacht]

thats a lot of perks for 2 enemies

[tall torrent]

mauler 2 shot is still possible, it just takes a lot of RNG

[glacial yacht]

i aslo dont one shot flak ragers now

[tall torrent]

tox bomber is one of the highest priority enemies in the game, that breakpoint matters far more than a melee elite that's not threatening most of the time

[frank basin]

Special attack like stab for the shock. Move set go see in psykhanium see which mark fit for you use.

[tall torrent]

superiority complex does not give u scab rager 1hs by default

[glacial yacht]

thats a fair point ill give ya

[queen fox]

what exactly does the buff do

[glacial yacht]

but flak with it does

[tall torrent]

plasma is missing like 400~500 ish dmg to 1HS scab rager without crit

this is with 25% flak

[frank basin]

Which buff? The blessing like timed block stun?

[radiant chasm]

Melee elites get knocked back

[tall torrent]

ur not getting 500 dmg from elite + superiority complex I'm afraid

[queen fox]

it sure looks like using the special gives you a lingering buff

[radiant chasm]

And can easily be finished off without ammo or by a teammate

[frank basin]

Oh that just stun the enemy

No buff

Even you hitting enemy they get electrocute not stun

[radiant chasm]

It is a buff with the high voltage blessing equipped

[frank basin]

High voltage yes

[radiant chasm]

Anyways, it also applies electrocution with a very small dot effect

[queen fox]

really? your weapon keeps the extra electricity on it for a few seconds after a full length special stun

[radiant chasm]

Any swing that staggers an enemy can apply a 0 dps electrocution debuff and thus proc high voltage

Without using special

[frank basin]

Psyker smite has one kind heavy attack electrocute enemy talent node

[radiant chasm]

Yea that one is the uhh

Damage electrocute debuff

It’s weird

[tall torrent]

the breakpoint consistency condition is
5x redirect fire (extremely easy to maintain)
2x focus target (minimum refresh)

u'd need elite + superiority complex + several rising heat stacks to get the scab rager non-crit 1hs breakpoint
u do not get several rising heat stacks until after multiple shots have been fired, which means u could be well within melee distance where it's just better to melee them

[radiant chasm]

Idk why they need one damage electrocute and one 0 damage electrocute

[tall torrent]

besides, rager headshot is always gonna be wonky because their heads move so much

practically speaking the headshot rate against them from guns is gonna be lower than other enemies no matter what

[radiant chasm]

Yea, with plasma you want ranged breakpoints more

[glacial yacht]

ok you right i thought i was one shotting them before but it was just in real gameplay with buffs probably

[radiant chasm]

You’ll send melee enemies to the ground and all of them can be solved by yours or teammates melee without spending your ammo

[tall torrent]

yea if u hold high focus target stacks u can
but u do not get to hold high focus target stacks if u play the keystone properly

[tall torrent]

this is another rly important thing to consider

[queen fox]

its part of why dsmk4 is op

[glacial yacht]

ok ill admit when im wrong youve convinced me but it does break my heart to give up +unyeidling

[queen fox]

rager headshots are easiest with the thrust heavies

imo at least

[tall torrent]

if u rly want boss dmg, run blaze away + optimized cooling

that's 11 continuous shots starting from 0% heat instead of 8 shots

this means 3 more shots at max blaze away stacks (140% dmg)

[glacial yacht]

well i want all the things. i want breakpints plus some boss damage

[tall torrent]

u do not need rising heat for breakpoints usually

it's just QoL if u want to tag less at higher heat

gets hot is neat for bodyshot 1 tap on crit, some extra consistency

but it's not mandatory

if u really need boss dmg from plasma for some reason, blaze away + optimised cooling is by far the best result

plasma crits' value are limited to just making for breakpoints due to low finesse scaling

[glacial yacht]

gets hot feels great in gameplay

[ocean moat]

teach me the knife ways

[tall torrent]

ya cuz the crit bodyshot 1 taps are nice

u gotta make a choice

gets hot + rising heat is ~22.5k dmg from 8 shots

[glacial yacht]

my only issue with your build is im left with 1 damage away from one shotting scab gunner heads with no buffs lol

[tall torrent]

I run unarmored + flak

[queen fox]

whats the best ranged weapon for killing monstrosities, that also has a flashlight

[tall torrent]

I don't think superiority complex is that good for plasma

[glacial yacht]

without superiority?

[tall torrent]

Vraks V

[tall torrent]

yea

I sent the build above

when u were telling me taking 10% atk speed without WS "needs reevaluating"

[glacial yacht]

but then you dont one tap dreg gunner lol

which makes me wanna superiroty complex

[tall torrent]

29/30, 1 free point

[tall torrent]

I do tho

it just takes redirect fire

[ocean moat]

what are the knife breakpoints

[tall torrent]

if I don't already have tag on them

[ocean moat]

for each perk

[frank basin]

Are you taken this shot from tablet?

[glacial yacht]

a tag kills them

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1306833024406781982/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.14_-_23.06.04.02.mp4?ex=67381a98&is=6736c918&hm=48582787dc3d4a5a370519738bd33adf2eafd9fadb1ae52439baf71bcfbeba75&

[tall torrent]

yea, ik that number

it just takes redirect fire

super easy to keep up

[ocean moat]

gimme a quick knife build pls

[tall torrent]

u can basically factor it as "always active" outside of "horde only" fights

[tall torrent]

what gun

[glacial yacht]

oh redirect fire it does i didnt read that

[tall torrent]

[ocean moat]

dont really care but i have revolver, pgun, and ilg masteries

[glacial yacht]

how long did it take you to get the perfect 80/80/69/72/80?

[tall torrent]

~5M dockets

[ocean moat]

imo i just dump charge on pgun

[tall torrent]

Zarona mk2a revolver
Elite + maniac
Point blank + crucian/surgical

hand-cannon is actually not necessary for revolver if u don’t rely on it for carapace damage and have elite + superiority complex (gets the same scab rager crit 1 bodyshot with agile engagement active)

[glacial yacht]

jeeeez i quit at this one

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s real hard to roll perfect

[ocean moat]

and are stam trinkets necessary or can i keep my curios the same

[glacial yacht]

bros the veteran vagabond

the veteran vegeeta

[tall torrent]

If you believe in urself hard enough u can skip stamina curios and run +2 stamina on knife

It does more or less the same thing

I run carapace + stamina for knife on veteran

For blessings, refer to guide

Pick what u like

[ocean moat]

thanks]

[glacial yacht]

i like determined on revolver

[tall torrent]

It is nice
Until u realize revolver’s hipfire is not affected by suppression

[glacial yacht]

but surgical and deadshot

[tall torrent]

My hot take is that surgical is kind of overrated for revolver and deadshot is usually not worth

[grand perch]

i havent used determined in any build for the last, what, 900 hrs of playtime and never missed it

[tall torrent]

For XIV revolver I think deadshot is very high value

But for IIa I don’t think it’s necessary

Most of ur crits are gonna be from WS

Point blank is actually super nice

[glacial yacht]

i just get sad when no crit on crusher head

[tall torrent]

melee the crushers

[glacial yacht]

thats what my blaster is for my guy

i guess you run krak tho so thats fiar

fair

[tall torrent]

Idk, vet has pretty good anti armor melee

Rashad kills them in 3 hits without crits

2 if crit once

[inner temple]

I hate that 70% is like the hardest rolls >:((

[tall torrent]

Power sword is 2 hit

Duelling sword is 2~3 hit usually

Knife is 3~4 hit usually

[inner temple]

I almost never get 2 stats at 70% and if I do its not the ones I want lol

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is 1~4 depending on the attacks used

[tall torrent]

Yea

[glacial yacht]

crusher packs just arent that fun to poke at imo

[tall torrent]

And the one time u get a 2x70 +3x80
It’s 70 + 70 in damage & stopping power

It is what it is

[inner temple]

Yeah

[glacial yacht]

unless im running dueling sword

[tall torrent]

Practice makes perfect

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=q7UjYlPzuLt0IQRm

[glacial yacht]

alright crusher coniseur

[inner temple]

Lemme have that but for like a different stat like idk defences and mobility or... Thermal resistance and ammo literally anything. Lemme keep my dmg bruh 😭

Funnily enough you can punch a crusher to death tho. ;))

[tall torrent]

Play enough CIVI and you’ll warm up to that

[glacial yacht]

whats your vraks build look like

[tall torrent]

Vraks V?

[glacial yacht]

yis

[tall torrent]

1 free point
Personally would recommend rending strikes (helps with flak damage), but it’s not mandatory

[glacial yacht]

you dont like marksman focus for it?

[tall torrent]

It does scale really well

But I like melee

[glacial yacht]

and no onslaught?

im shooketh

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is usually not worth

[glacial yacht]

you really just dont be using your gun huh

[tall torrent]

Because it only really matters if u plan to magdump crusher with ur gun

I happen to enjoy the melee aspect of this game more

[glacial yacht]

consider me a crusher mag dumper

[tall torrent]

And tbh

If u really wanted to kill crushers with ur gun

Boltgun is like, right there

Exe Boltgun is prob the top/2nd highest damage build for veteran

[glacial yacht]

i mean i dont make a build to explicitly mag dump crushers but if i can take a node to be able to with vraks i do

[tall torrent]

Onslaught has pretty meh pathing tbh

CQKZ is neat
Stamina regen is only really necessary for knife

[glacial yacht]

that it does

halving the bosses health in one mag is pretty nice tho

[tall torrent]

It’s alr

U can build for boss 1 mag on Vraks V if u turbo juice it

[frank basin]

Red stimm juice

😋

[glacial yacht]

one trick poney builds arent fun to me

[tall torrent]

It’s not one trick

if u run unyielding on ur gun and pop red stim, this is 1 mag kill

I don't run unyielding on mine (I have flak instead)

It’s a fairly standard sharpshooter set-up for Vraks V

It’s just that I don’t think most people are gonna play exe + MF at the same time

[dry cloak]

Agrip would be better with exe stance imo

[tall torrent]

Ag1 gets some nice breakpoints with exe stance

But V5 still scales the best dps-wise

[dry cloak]

How about columnus 8 was it? The middle iag

[tall torrent]

C8 is alright

I personally think it’s better than Ag1 in practice due to lower recoil

It really makes a difference when you’re going for more precise shots

Ag1 without exe stance kicks too unpredictably imo

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[placid portal]

Don't really feel Agripinaa recoil ngl

[worldly pulsar]

Is there any practical use case for the tac axes? Like any point to them at all?

[tall torrent]

They’re not very good rn

[placid portal]

What makes tac axe special again?

[tall torrent]

Much better on zealot than on veteran

[grand perch]

i still like them a lot because im so burnt out on knife

having access to agile helps a lot i think

[placid portal]

tac axe does have brutal momentum I guess that's good too

[tall torrent]

Yea just not enough damage to activate it on bruiser without sacrificing 2 perks or relying on crits

They could actually go hard if you could use 4 perks & 4 blessings on them

[frank basin]

I remember I tried decimator and headtaker kinda okay had to hit horde constantly without missing

[glacial yacht]

i do hate that about decimator

[placid portal]

decimator if it was good: Every 10th attack does increased damage & guaranteed crits

[glacial yacht]

do you post on youtube?

[tall torrent]

No

Too lazy

1 guide is enough anyway

DT yters are mostly misinfo which is unfortunate

[orchid hemlock]

when PS5 comes out, hopefully the surge of players will improve the content

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s gonna be very entry level stuff for a while

People trying to get better and showing lower level gameplay stuff

[dry cloak]

@grand perch maybe power sword or devil claw on vet?

[crude fiber]

oh god theres gonna be so many people getting in over their heads in higher difficulties on ps5 launch. at least auric has the lvl 30 requirement

[austere mica]

I know it’s going to be great

[dry cloak]

Its gonna be fun again

[austere mica]

(Not sarcasm, fun times await)

[dry cloak]

Shitty teams on damnation

Some of us will show younglings how to play

Or we gonna get cod kids

[dense anchor]

is mobility or is defences dump for shovel

[glacial yacht]

defense

[mortal horizon]

i can safely dump cleave dmg or targets perhaps on an MK6 powersword, if i wanted higher mobility to help the dodge distances etc bc it has bad dodges, right? the powered mode should hit the caps anyway with BM?

or no

[dry cloak]

Powered up has infinite cleave to my knowledge

[austere mica]

Wrong

[dry cloak]

And bromentum is nice when you run out of power and just need to swing. Because unpowered is perfectly usable

[mortal horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wrong-gif-9806204

[earnest bone]

For zealot

[crude fiber]

they can be fun to mess around with if you go all in on melee and build them right

[trim steppe]

Man the new mission type doesnt eff around with monstrosities

8 whole-ass monsters in a run is fun

[hollow ibex]

i love whacking BONs

[round geyser]

i have discovered for the drip

[jaunty tinsel]

what exactly is a salvo?

[glacial yacht]

continuous fire i think?

[austere mica]

Any amount of fire before your recoil resets

[jaunty tinsel]

is there somewhere i can see how long a salvo is for a gun?

[hollow ibex]

yes, in the psykanium

[jaunty tinsel]

well id rather get it in numbers

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

[jaunty tinsel]

oh wait do you mean its like a CD after you stop firing

[hollow ibex]

the cooldown is the time it takes for the recoil to reset

[austere mica]

Kinda ish

When your gun goes back to the way it was before you pulled the trigger

[jaunty tinsel]

lmao thanks

saves me from half of these dogwater blessings

[austere mica]

There is some niche usecase for Opening Salvo on the slowest inflas

And that’s because it’s recoil usually resets before you can line another shot

About it though

[jaunty tinsel]

yeah and then you get "sustained fire" on the shredder autopistol

[round geyser]

question why is it that i find that ship mistress so karking annoying

[grand perch]

Brahms is fine. Hallowette I'd like to mute completely

[round geyser]

you know what i reckon would be a good little buff to the chainsword

so you know how when the evis has a mini rev

when it does its heavy attack

[tall torrent]

it varies based on weapon

[round geyser]

i'd believe the chainsword need that

[tall torrent]

nah

it needs better performance vs elite waves

starting off with a way to fight more than 1 rager lol

[round geyser]

i mean that mini heavy rev wouldn't hurt either

[merry coral]

the chainsword, all of them, and the chainaxe are a big let down for me

they feel clunky

[tall torrent]

it's not necessary because it's still locked to single target only

it needs a way to break multiple ragers' combo at once

like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[dry cloak]

Chain axe should be stronger ans slower than chainsword

[grand perch]

i'd like to know why they made it so the last tick of rev damage does so much more damage. why not split it up to even number ticks?

[tall torrent]

because they want to "risk vs reward"

except chainswords' rev attacks are

maximum risk for mediocre reward

[grand perch]

kind of my point yeah. not enough reward

[merry coral]

well at least with the chainaxe you can chomp on enemy with the rev attack,and one tick will apply brittleness and bleed from the blessings

I still don't like it

the push attack is great tho

[tall torrent]

that's not the good way to play chainaxe

[merry coral]

so there's that

[tall torrent]

at least not for veteran & zealot

chainaxe is simple, u run 2x strength blessings

horde clear is still meh but it kills elites pretty well

[merry coral]

Yeah I just use the shovel or knife tbh on vet

shock maul is fun

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1306327193839992914/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_13.37.21.48.mp4?ex=67383dc1&is=6736ec41&hm=d0821b6ce1e3719dec6403a1a37a518098524fb0f9943ec0866c36cd7d10e24a&

[grand perch]

Yeah because of shit like that I've warmed up to chaxes

[tall torrent]

chainaxe XII's heavy overhead attacks are like

more dmg than chainswords' rev heavy attacks lol

[earnest bone]

now all of that without ft + stacks and 5 stacks ht+st

tho im still not running 12

[tall torrent]

that'd be H1 + H2 + PA, still gets a kill

I think

at worst u heavy 3 times

that's abt the same TTK as rashad normally against crushers

chainaxes are much better on zealot than on veteran tho

better raw dmg scaling, faster & more accessible attack speed bonuses, FotF ult, improved dodges from IJ

it's purpose built

also better stamina management to use PA more efficiently

[earnest bone]

taxes got it much worse on Veteran

[grand perch]

Still I feel they profit a lot from WS tree

[tall torrent]

Kind of

Chainaxes don’t have great finesse

Vet has to pay a lot of points for 10% atk speed

[grand perch]

Made a night and day difference to have the extra attack speed

[tall torrent]

Zealot can get 25% for basically free

[grand perch]

To me at least

[tall torrent]

Just faithful frenzy + IJ

[grand perch]

Yeah zealot is nuts in that regard

[tall torrent]

I should build a chainaxe for zealot

[grand perch]

Don't hurt my silly little hurty sticks

[earnest bone]

[grand perch]

It's not their fault

[tall torrent]

I’ve been running crusher, it’s just so good

[dry cloak]

I have made a ranged zealot with braced and its FUN

[earnest bone]

until you out of ammo i guess

[dry cloak]

Nah

Still good in melee

[merry coral]

Do you run the blessing that gives toughness on brace ?

[dry cloak]

No

[merry coral]

I've seen it recommended but idk, tried it and it felt meh

[dry cloak]

I have run n gun and dumdum iirc

Because accuracy on braced is nice

[merry coral]

weirldy

[dry cloak]

Graia braced and left keystone. Go ham

[merry coral]

Yup

[lavish token]

By whom

[earnest bone]

xXxRandomYoutubeVeteranxXx probably

or one of tanner adepts

[lavish token]

Tanner would never suggest it

[earnest bone]

i think someone posted a vid a few days ago where a vet been slapping

fire frenzy + inspiring barrage

on every gun that has it

just dont watch youtube DT videos, most of the time they mean more harm, than help

[merry coral]

yeah it was some dt youtuber that I don't even remember the name

After trying it I took the decision to absolutely ignore that man

[lavish token]

I can justify it on the bolter

[dry cloak]

Or on stubbers

[lavish token]

Nah not on stubbers

Just melee lmao

[dry cloak]

I have it on my gorg and it saved me a good bit

[silk lance]

For some reason playing with randoms during offpeak hours always just turns into tard wrangling

Bunch of level 30 "people" who do worse than bots

[round geyser]

i gotta ask so i just put on an extra wound is this good or bad? 190 toughness and 210HP

[silk lance]

Don't think an extra wound is necessary on vet personally

Getting downed is a state of failure. I'd rather not prepare to fail.

Be better to have more toughness or health

[dry cloak]

I run a extra wound because i rarely play vet

[earnest bone]

If you are a new player, you can run 1 wound curio till you get more experience, but essentialy you gonna be 2 wounds only, you can also run +HP instead of +wound (2 toughness 1 HP)

[grand perch]

Highly advised to take off the training wheels

[cyan verge]

currently working on 'on overwatch' is there really no better way of trying for this than hoping for malice low intensity

[dry cloak]

Get taunt ogryn to help you

[silk lance]

Got that one by accident. Just play and be good.

If you purposely try to chase it, you'll only psych yourself out

[cyan verge]

unfortunately I have the impression that if I don't go for it I'll never get it done, so, I'm grinding it until I get it

I actually almost got it last mission so I dunno here's hoping

[pseudo fiber]

Just play careful and remember its only health damage

[dry cloak]

Shout vet is the build to do it

[silk lance]

^

[cyan verge]

hm, I was gonna go infiltrate and just stealth any time I get into trouble

[dry cloak]

Or stealth vet if you wanna have an anuerysm

[cyan verge]

lol

I love those