veteran-class

[faint beacon]

You know I’m honestly considering dropping my OM + O4B build that I have on my HHA and trying Always with- is it On Your Feet?

The middle node under WS

the two arrows

Seeing if I might get more value out of that vs O4B

[tall torrent]

Yes

It can be immediately 40% toughness

On a 3s cooldown for each

[bronze trout]

Since were already looking at builds does this all check out for recon?

[orchid hemlock]

Recon doesn't need scavenger

[tall torrent]

Drop superiority complex for 5% crit chance

I also don’t think u need onslaught

[strange summit]

thanks

[orchid hemlock]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

You already have knife with uncanny strikes, I don’t think armor damage is gonna be a problem

[bronze trout]

I feel like there are times where it's not safe to melee crushers and being able to work down packs from distance seems pretty good.

But also having melee as a fall back from when shooting doesn't work also

[faint beacon]

I’ll throw it together when I’m home

[umbral scaffold]

Shouts nice but I personally would say executioner stance… and change the elite damage to power

[tall torrent]

Prob drop superiority complex for either rending strikes or 5% crit chance

[split bison]

Recon has so much ammo you're far better off with Fire Team.

[umbral scaffold]

Noooo

He got brittleness no need for fending

Rending

[orchid hemlock]

Rending stacks with brittle

[umbral scaffold]

That’s not a good combo

[tall torrent]

I don’t think he needs onslaught in the first place and he’s saying he wants it

In which case, rending strikes matters

[orchid hemlock]

The other problem is that onslaught only procs at one target at a time

[umbral scaffold]

I’m a bit dumb on names but let me give the build that would be more benificial for his accatran set up

[orchid hemlock]

Also I would not use the knife on a build like this

Knife is horrible without the melee nodes on the right

[umbral scaffold]

This is a more ideal accatran build

[slow spade]

Deadshot recon is a spicy pick

especially without Duck and Cover or something

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[bronze trout]

I feel like deadshot gets me into trouble more then helps

[orchid hemlock]

Deadshot on recon let's goooo

[umbral scaffold]

Let me make you a shout version

[orchid hemlock]

3 stamina curio gang rise up

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-fellaz-gif-23277277

[broken spade]

deadshot recon

how fast does your stamina disappear?

[orchid hemlock]

🥵

[tall torrent]

He doesn’t need to ads

[orchid hemlock]

After. 000005 seconds of firing

[tall torrent]

So it’s sort of a wasted talent

[slow spade]

true

[umbral scaffold]

Here

For shout bets ^

[slow spade]

deadshot is to punish you for ADSing on recon UwU

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-gif-24780148

[umbral scaffold]

ogryn larper build

[bronze trout]

Field improvisation huh

[umbral scaffold]

For the added support

[slow spade]

its not bad

[umbral scaffold]

It’s really good

[slow spade]

does more than the text tells you considering it applies to all packs

[umbral scaffold]

A solid A or even S tier talent

[tall torrent]

It’s alright

[umbral scaffold]

Only one person needs it as long as they are in the lobby

[orchid hemlock]

Nah, I'm not helping my team

[umbral scaffold]

Dotn need to be dropped by the vet with it

[slow spade]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Good luxury pick
Not worth most of the time

[umbral scaffold]

Depends on what your perk set up is

[slow spade]

personally, I'd go Focus Target + Refiect Fire

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[broken spade]

tfw the other vet also picked it so you wasted a point

[slow spade]

because damage = good

[bronze trout]

Yeah I'm a gamer so I never get hit and I already regen grenades soooooo

Also fuck the team

[orchid hemlock]

OK guys I can support my team by killing everything

[slow spade]

oh you really are a Vet

[umbral scaffold]

Well I just have you the set up lol

[slow spade]

a REAL vet only uses VoC when their coherency buff shows a 1 UwU

[bronze trout]

Alright lots to think about, thanks guys. I'll probably try out couple

[umbral scaffold]

This one would mroe sufffie you @bronze trout

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-whale-the-whale-fraiser-camera-gif-3764417687302677901

[bronze trout]

I was bouncing between a couple talents for awhile so nice to know there is contention for whats best

[elder fiber]

not using voc to help psyker b/c if they go down it'll make my game immediately more enjoyable

[umbral scaffold]

You can still do the set up with psycher without the macros ya know

[bronze trout]

Honestly I hate the 3 point investment for onslaught but I miss it whenever I dont have it.

[umbral scaffold]

It’s just mroe carpel tunnel intensive

[broken spade]

yeah but it's still cringe

[elder fiber]

soyker can make my game worse in multiple ways without macro lmb build

[slow spade]

its not like those 3 points are wasted

they're decent picks

[bronze trout]

Compared to what your giving up for it they are

[hasty pasture]

build for a sword and bolter rifle build?

[umbral scaffold]

So what are you giving up

[umbral scaffold]

I can give for sword only give me a min

https://tenor.com/view/whale-brendan-fraser-brendan-fraser-the-whale-gif-27708294

[hasty pasture]

heavy sword, power sword or devil claw?

or chainsword

[umbral scaffold]

Psword ^

The bleed is a dump stat you can switch it off for supply

Or Duck and dive

Or extra toughness per kill

Really depends

If you focus only melee you want weapon specialist

[orchid hemlock]

No weakspot node

🥵

[umbral scaffold]

You prob won’t need it for a psword

[narrow frost]

I would not use that talent tree

[umbral scaffold]

Unless you want boss damage to be crazy

[umbral scaffold]

Ok no one asked

https://tenor.com/view/terrifier-nope-reaction-terrified-meme-gif-12811626649724885613

[hasty pasture]

what melee weapon to use for vet then?

[uncut pebble]

I guarantee you Ainz knows more than you.

[umbral scaffold]

I mean lots it depends what you rub

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad

[umbral scaffold]

Even if they do again who asked

I just made it in less than 30 seconds n the build

[hasty pasture]

I mean I'm open for anything cause I'm only lvl 20

[umbral scaffold]

That’s like no time to test it of course it’s prob going to be bad

[narrow frost]

if you are suggesting builds to people, please understand what you are saying first

understand the talent tree

[hasty pasture]

then suggest a build

[narrow frost]

Okay

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah don't suggest mediocre builds to people pls

[umbral scaffold]

Sorry I dotn have smarts like you

[uncut pebble]

Then why would you recommend anything at all?

[umbral scaffold]

Welcome to the real world

[narrow frost]

Then please dont show others what to do

[umbral scaffold]

Then stop complaining

[hasty pasture]

I run a bolter rifle. I'm open to other options

[umbral scaffold]

Holy god you’re insufferable

Like if you know better tell him the builds

And stop yapping

[uncut pebble]

If you aren't going to test anything and you don't have factual information, don't recommend anything. It's pretty simple.

[slow spade]

don't be stupid

[umbral scaffold]

I can’t test casue I’m at work

[slow spade]

shimple as that

[hasty pasture]

Didn't know asking a question would cause such discourse

[umbral scaffold]

I can ask you the same thing but you have me blocked so why do you care

[narrow frost]

I can help with that, one min

[narrow frost]

Dm's

[umbral scaffold]

It’s what happens when the chuds crawl out of their knowledge caves

It’s what Evers

Just a bit a banta

[uncut pebble]

It happens far more often than one would think. Don't worry about it.

[umbral scaffold]

Funny how everyone points the gun though on the dude that is offering the. Builds in actual perk detail

Life of an auric maelstrom main

[slow spade]

here;s an actually good bolter build

this Midas guy is just coping

[umbral scaffold]

He legit only said sword so I set it up for sword

[slow spade]

didn't ask

[umbral scaffold]

But seems like yall can’t learn to cope

[slow spade]

didn't ask

[umbral scaffold]

Didn’t care

[orchid hemlock]

My brother in christ, you need to learn to take some critisim.

In the "real world" if you acted like this you would be unemployed

[umbral scaffold]

My brother in Christ why are you this caring about an online forum

Like again WHO

DA HELL

CARES

[orchid hemlock]

You seem to very much

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-who-the-hell-cares-peter-family-guy-gif-5547786

[slow spade]

projecting lmao

this is sad

[orchid hemlock]

When any critisim is direct towards you, you redirect it away like it's our fault

My dude pls grow up, you arnt 5

[uncut pebble]

Average vet chat conversation.

[umbral scaffold]

If you can’t learn to drop shit then you need to do grow up

Like sheesh please

WHO

DA HELL

CARES

Over ONE dude

That just gave a quick bite set up

For just the sword

Not other weapons

Seriously yall need help

[uncut pebble]

We don't, we pointed out that you were being a fool, and we moved on. Stop talking.

[umbral scaffold]

Stop being terminally online

[orchid hemlock]

You are the root of the friction my dude, so you do obviously care

[fathom kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/que-gif-27530657

[sour elbow]

Screw you, Melk!

[umbral scaffold]

Ok that shits funny I’m saving that

[orchid hemlock]

Pretending you don't, but I can see thru it like glass

[umbral scaffold]

He is giving you a message

[sour elbow]

I'm levelling the mastery for the braced later, piss off Melk. :T

[umbral scaffold]

Oh just buy the brace

Level it to green or blue then sacrifice

[sour elbow]

btw, dump stat for the autopistol?

[faint beacon]

Come back to this

[umbral scaffold]

Mobility

[sour elbow]

figured

[umbral scaffold]

The only thing I know that you need mobility for is psword

But I forgot which is the dump stat

[jovial aurora]

someone give me a wep specialist idea

to blow all my grampappy funds on

[umbral scaffold]

What are you looking for

[slow spade]

either cleave targets or mobility

both are fine

[umbral scaffold]

I mean weapon specialist is usually revolver and shotgun

[jovial aurora]

which volver

[umbral scaffold]

You want a revolver weapon specialist build yes?

What ability though

[jovial aurora]

idk man i'm just looking for ideas that aren't my own

[umbral scaffold]

Ok give me 2 seconds

[jovial aurora]

i run a shout and mark target one

[slow spade]

for funny, DB shotgun + Rashad with the "reload on kill" upgrade

[umbral scaffold]

[jovial aurora]

with revolver

[buoyant thicket]

is this helbore lasgun good

stability is dump right?

[slow spade]

yeah that's fine, you're typically not mag dumping a helbore

[umbral scaffold]

Mashallah

[umbral scaffold]

[restive mountain]

Whatever is going on in here

Stop

That is all

[jovial aurora]

no

[restive mountain]

Oh

Ok

[umbral scaffold]

[lament wedge]

For a recon lasgun vet with infiltrate. Which last talent to get. "Opening Salvo", "Marksman", "Tactical awereness" Or "Close quarters killzone"?

[jovial aurora]

oh wow the right side wep spec augments are straight garbage

[slow spade]

Tactical Awareness

shit is cracked

[umbral scaffold]

Yes dump stat is recoil

For Helbore

I know this casue I sleep with it

[split bison]

Tactical Awareness is always good, so I'd go with that.

[jovial aurora]

is this right for that?

[umbral scaffold]

Blessings are good… I REVOMMEND run Manaic and Unyl cause of the insane armor damage you do, you dotn need carapace or flak at all for revolver and the stats are meta

[jovial aurora]

okie thank you

vet 2nd least favorite character so i'm tryna fix that

[umbral scaffold]

Plus with the set up you won’t need carapace even if it helps with the rending bonus

[jovial aurora]

basically got cohesive builds for all of them and psyker was my last and just never left psyker apart from the weekly contracts lol

[dry niche]

Whats dump stat on plasma

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have one

[lament wedge]

awwwh, more love for infiltrate ;D

[dry niche]

Kinda what it felt like

[tall torrent]

68+ decimal in thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots from 0% heat instead of 7, so I recommend 69 thermal resist for safety sake
Charge rate affects left click’s pre-fire delay therefore firerate, so it’s not a dump stat and u want as high as possible (which there’s only room for 71~72)
Plasma actually needs very high damage & stopping power stats to hit breakpoints
Ammo roll too low = you don’t get 1/3 shot worth of ammo back from each survivalist proc

Overall:
69% thermal resist
71% charge rate
80% everything else

[dry niche]

Ty 👍

[bronze trout]

I tried a build with fire team and no onslaught, unfortunately my brain worms wont allow me to not run survivalist as I enjoy shooting to much and we had a gunlugger eating up all the ammo

Double grenade regen with tinker is fun but not really worth taking over other stuff I think

Went okay though

[jovial aurora]

can you do something similar for infiltrate?

[tall torrent]

With krak? Or smoke

[jovial aurora]

krak preferably

[tall torrent]

Ok u lose 2 points from this pic

[jovial aurora]

krak just has so much value lol it's nutty

[tall torrent]

Prob need to drop 25 toughness and BID in the middle

Why do u need infiltrate

[jovial aurora]

idk never tried it lol and bored of voc

[wild vortex]

what is the "correct" way to use Infiltrate

[hollow ibex]

Press F

[jovial aurora]

idk lol

[wild vortex]

and is there a weapon to do it with other than Knife

[tall torrent]

Have a teammate that deals with aggro properly so u can pop it and safely clean up everything while having low profile active

[wild vortex]

how do you manage that in quickplay

[hollow ibex]

Skill check for the rest of the team

[tall torrent]

[jovial aurora]

what do i do with the smol people kickback?

[hollow ibex]

They’ll have to manage

[wild vortex]

[tall torrent]

U start by running duo private and finding someone good enough

I believe in trial by fire

[jovial aurora]

i was told to try that turd out

[tall torrent]

You’ll lose until u win

[wild vortex]

I just want a weapon for Infiltrate that's not Knife

I don't like Knife

[hollow ibex]

More aggro on me means more things to kill

[jovial aurora]

i'm pretty sure infil is not exclusive to knife and vice versa

[hollow ibex]

You can use whatever

It doesn’t really matter

[umbral scaffold]

Your top score you wernt ok you were better plus all I can say is just get into habit of not shooting every enemy as not every enemy needs to be shot

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[hollow ibex]

I like using chainaxe though, nice synergy with infiltrate

[wild vortex]

huh

I've never tried chaxe

[bronze trout]

But mag dumping into everything is fun

[jovial aurora]

yeah i didn't really see anything that heavily depends on any certain type of weapon

@tall torrent can i make this work with p sword?

also what run on smol person kickback

[tall torrent]

It’s just that infiltrate has bad point tax

[hollow ibex]

It’s fun

[tall torrent]

idk what ur saying

[hollow ibex]

DB?

[tall torrent]

Yea
It’s just that u can very easily blow up vs ragers

[jovial aurora]

yeah

double barrel blessings i meant lol i was tryna be funny

[tall torrent]

Manstopper + scattershot/flechette

Flak + maniac

[jovial aurora]

and what's currently the best for p sword?

lol i spose i could just look at the guide

[tall torrent]

Yes

U prob should

Just beware that power sword vs rager is uh

Oddly specific

Because u have to control distance

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1305379126919565332/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.10_-_22.44.52.11.mp4?ex=67361c4c&is=6734cacc&hm=1a49dd54f1517c7cc082d3bb7c47f80c994540f500f35df6f380c10b9c70ff44&

[wild vortex]

would DS4 be good on Infiltrate Vet

[jovial aurora]

kinda like illisi with rager?

[tall torrent]

No

Psyker doesn’t want to melee fight multiple ragers, period

[broken spade]

just swing at them and don't get hit

[jovial aurora]

oh yeah that looks like easier illisi lol

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not the ranged class therefore needs to learn how to melee fight multiple ragers

The difference is

If u get hit by anything during that combo

U die

If u fail to hit all 3 ragers (which staggers them all)

[slow spade]

psyker toughness resist makes me sad

[tall torrent]

U die

[broken spade]

rager sneaks up on you and it's instant death

[tall torrent]

If u get energized combo broken

[umbral scaffold]

If ragers are an issue I suggest using devil claw

[tall torrent]

You don’t die, u just take a ton of damage and can’t dodge away fast enough

[slow spade]

my psyker friend got hit from behind by a rager was put to 150 hp -> 40 hp in like a second lmao

[broken spade]

at least psyker has like, infinite block if they wanna avoid those situations

[jovial aurora]

psyker should never have to be close to ragers ideally. almost everything they have is good at mitigating rager packs

plus there's like KD so you can just tank them

[umbral scaffold]

Me with psycher cancel quell build

[hearty panther]

counterpoint: purge the heretic

[tall torrent]

With that said, power sword is still easier to play for new vets

Compared to smth like Rashad

[slow spade]

yeah he was using purg staff so it died immediately after just funny to see

[broken spade]

is rashad hard for new players?

[jovial aurora]

i've legit never used a rashad in my 600 hours

[tall torrent]

Rashad is u fail 1 PA (only staggered 2 ragers), u get combo’d

[hearty panther]

its slow

[umbral scaffold]

Purgatus build is super SUPER doinky

[jovial aurora]

i hate burga

shit is so slow and boring

[slow spade]

if you get handed a build, its not hard to use

[tall torrent]

It’s easier to get punished for bad timing and new players tend to get punished more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1305379126919565332/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.10_-_22.44.52.11.mp4?ex=6732d08c&is=67317f0c&hm=7123acf9d68afa71908f4dc60e1b0873835e9246912f00b340e9359a4c10d4b5&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1305346906599198764/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.10_-_16.44.47.20.mp4?ex=6732b28a&is=6731610a&hm=d30b393a88a6dfbba2adbe0cb7f841afb5d3237715d0baf7c5a693f7b82f356a&

U decide which is easier

[broken spade]

i think new players tend to just shoot ragers beyond 2 of them

which is not a bad idea in general anyways

[tall torrent]

In which case power sword is easier to fit into builds

[broken spade]

but yeah that does seem harder

[wild vortex]

true, if I see a mob of Ragers in my face I just VOC or dodge backwards and magdump

[tall torrent]

I still remember u wanting to bet that Rashad doesn’t clear horde as fast as illisi

[broken spade]

path will never forget

baz is gonna get haunted by this forever

[tawny timber]

who is rashad

[slow spade]

honestly the main issue with rashad is its not "intuitive" on how to build it

[wild vortex]

wdym

[tall torrent]

5 point to right or play power sword

[broken spade]

it's not intuitive because brutal momentum isn't intuitive

[slow spade]

new players aren't going to see that

hence the problem

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

[broken spade]

i tried to explain to a newer friend that rashad was good at killing multiple enemies

[tall torrent]

New players use chainsword and deal 200k damage

[broken spade]

they couldn't understand how until after a full explanation of BM, and a demonstration of a full build

[slow spade]

yeah its only intuitive to us because we have the data

[broken spade]

them swinging with an unbuilt rashad in psykanium would obviously not teach them how BM works

[slow spade]

funny how much easier a game gets with some small details

[tall torrent]

Havoc will change that

[broken spade]

they just swung a heavy at a mauler, watched it not die, and then asked "how is this good?"

or they swing an unupgraded rashad at a bruiser that doesn't die and ask "how does this kill multiple guys?"

this is not intuitive at the slightest

you literally have to full build and be told how to test it to begin to understand

[slow spade]

"lvl 1 havoc: Brutal Momentum disabled"

[slow spade]

yeah it took me a while to be convinced Rashad was good until someone told me how BM worked

"1.5 cleave? sounds dogshit"

[broken spade]

It's just one of those things you gotta see to believe

[tall torrent]

Nah

[slow spade]

indeed

really a shame

[broken spade]

people who aren't lurking a discord watching people discuss builds, they aren't gonna know

[tall torrent]

But I think havoc is gonna have new health scale? Above damnation?

[slow spade]

don't worry about spoilers if it'd get you in trouble

[slow spade]

oh oof

[tall torrent]

I’m not playtester

[slow spade]

ah ok wasn't sure

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

[sour elbow]

what's rashad? :P

[hollow ibex]

All my carefully tuned builds

[slow spade]

damn that's going to suck for my Rashad builds :c

at least I have good old Vraks mk5 which should be fine even with higher hp scaling 🤔

[tall torrent]

It’s either new health or something related to mass

[hearty panther]

nurgle blessed everything

[tall torrent]

Because dorn said smth like “plasma is not gonna be very good”

[hearty panther]

otherwise smykers

[wild vortex]

is mk3 Knife MUCH worse than mk6? Or is it just a matter of "if you're good then mk6 is better"?

[tall torrent]

Which leads me to believe that there’ll be a new health scale since plasma is very specifically tuned for damnation health breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Mk3 does 1 thing better

It has a single target combo that doesn’t involve stamina

[hearty panther]

mk6 is 'better'

[slow spade]

ah damn yeah that sounds like hp

[wild vortex]

that sounds good for me, plus the fact that horde clear is just light spam

might try it then..

[slow spade]

I might have to take off the VoC crutch for Exec Stance bolter 😔

[wild vortex]

because I'm just not good enough to use mk6 properly

[hollow ibex]

If you want light spam horde clear it’s the mk3

[tall torrent]

U could also
Not play knife on veteran

[hearty panther]

mk6 just takes practice

[slow spade]

get a stam delay node for knife

it gets a lot easier

[hearty panther]

personally i hate it

[hollow ibex]

Mk6 is too much work

[wild vortex]

I generally don't but I feel like I'm missing out

[slow spade]

same, I didn't like the mk6 knife either

[tall torrent]

I think havoc might end up becoming 4 vet meta

[slow spade]

it only really "clicked" when I got delay node buffs

[tame lodge]

Oh can't wait to use charged strike on an enemy with 20 mass and deal one tick of 8 damage because smite mass shenanigans 🗣️

[hollow ibex]

CBA’d

[hearty panther]

there HAS to be a havoc mode that invalidates smite

[tall torrent]

Cole said smth like
If ur not using gunner resist, you’re gonna be in big trouble in havoc

[slow spade]

yeah I can't imagine 4 VoC spammers not being the winning move

[hearty panther]

otherwise that's all pubs will do for it

[hollow ibex]

Fun…

[hearty panther]

how would cole know

[jovial aurora]

lol it's literally almost perfect for wep spec without empowerment

[slow spade]

to be fair, not having gunner resist is already trouble :p

[jovial aurora]

other than blessings and shit

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac
Manstopper + scattershot

[jovial aurora]

but the base stats

[tall torrent]

Stats are fine

[jovial aurora]

yupp i looked at the guide

[tall torrent]

I use 1~2

1 for veteran
2 for zealot

[jovial aurora]

can't afford empowerment on it tho after cheesing the mastery system to get it

[tall torrent]

Commissar Dukane watching 4 dudes break through a 200-men gun line in havoc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185516799316480060/1258993381200101386/IMG_5465.gif

[slow spade]

yeah I dropped a "+5% toughness" for it

[grand perch]

(she'd still chew you out for incompetence because you didnt do it in less than 3 minutes)

[slow spade]

should be fine, I'm still at like 210 toughness

to be honest, I wish there was a shotgunner resis

the shotgunner patrols are so massive :c

and they tend to blend in for me

[wild vortex]

much easier to dodge shotgun blasts tho

and they swap to melee pretty rapidly

[tall torrent]

I run +21% health (x2), +17% toughness, +5% toughness, x0.8 gunner dmg, x0.8 sniper dmg, +10% docket (x3) and x0.85 sprint cost (x3)

[slow spade]

personally I find gunners easier to dodge

2x Toughness 1x stam curio

2x +5% toughness, 3x Stam regen, 3x Sprint effi, 1x Gunner resist

I remember when dying gave you dockets on loss

oh no we lost this maelstrom and got 60k dockets 😔

[jovial aurora]

do i want mkiii or mkiv for the powersword

[slow spade]

mk6

for some reason, they dumpstered every reason to use mk3 except 1

which is Sunder

[jovial aurora]

so elite and maniac

[tall torrent]

VI

[slow spade]

those are reliable perks

[jovial aurora]

spent all of grampappys trust fund on this

[hollow ibex]

3K diamantine. Ok Mr moneybags

[idle swallow]

Doing slow firing helbore with lots of dmg+ talents for crusher one shots, rate selection cringe level

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent i really want desperado, what node should I remove for the onslaught XII recon build?

[hearty panther]

is that what it takes to have it one tap crushers?

[tall torrent]

superiority complex

[hearty panther]

seems like too much but i havent crunched those numbers in ages

[orchid hemlock]

is it worth for desperado?

[tall torrent]

IV 1 tap crusher is
+25% carapace, +10% ranged dmg, exe stance, MF x10, superiority complex, BID, rending strikes, marksman

[hearty panther]

IV is the slow one?

[tall torrent]

ya

[hearty panther]

that aint right

buff the IV

[tall torrent]

what melee are u using

[hearty panther]

that baby should pop em naked as far as im concerned

[orchid hemlock]

if i can grab desperado, than DS

[tall torrent]

if u run DS

drop onslaught

[wild vortex]

is DS good on Vet

or is it just a Psyker / Zealot thing

[tall torrent]

yes

[orchid hemlock]

tru but this is a forced onslaught build for the copers

[tall torrent]

it's op

[hearty panther]

DS is good everywhere

[orchid hemlock]

i would prefer the femboy build

[tall torrent]

ur assuming they care about melee in the first place

[hearty panther]

That's what 200% base finesse does to a mfer in a finesse meta

[pliant prawn]

why is this so overtuned..

[slow spade]

"critical" bruh

[broken spade]

just play weap spec revolver

guaranteed crits, easy hesdshots

[faint beacon]

3 tokens are 100% crits

Get 3 ranged tokens

Swap to gun

Shoot head

Repeat

[pliant prawn]

what's a token

[broken spade]

i think he means stacks of weap specialist

you get like 33% ranged crit on first bullet per melee kill

[uncut pebble]

You can go a step further and guarantee that you always have a bullet loaded with always prepared.

I believe revolvers cap out at 3 bullets reloaded per swap at max stacks.

[torn acorn]

how good is he bolter?

wait

is bolt pistol and bolter the same thing?

[uncut pebble]

No.

They serve different purposes.

Boltgun can be built as either a mag dumping monster slaying / elite train destroying machine or as a sniper rifle.

Bolt pistol is a nice alternative to the zarona revolver and can be used to buff your grenades.

It relies less on crits, but still deals a hefty amount of damage.

[torn acorn]

so the big boy one is the boltgun?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[torn acorn]

ok ok thank you

[hollow ibex]

Bolt pistol is really build specific

And needs a dedicated build to shine

[uncut pebble]

No, not really.

It doesn't require a huge talent investment to be good.

[torn acorn]

ı am assuming the whole proper build crafting business requieres full talent tree?

[uncut pebble]

Bolt pistol is significantly more focused on buffing your talents rather than the other way around.

[torn acorn]

just in general not necessarily for th bolt pistol

[uncut pebble]

Yes, proper build crafting requires knowledge of your entire talent tree.

[torn acorn]

well ı won't worry about it to much for now then ı just hit 16

[uncut pebble]

Lots of knowledgeable vets frequent this channel and can help you if you have questions.

[hollow ibex]

If you enjoy missing critical breakpoints then sure

[uncut pebble]

You plan for critical breakpoints?

I run lethal prox and puncture to buff my shredders.

[hollow ibex]

Critical as in important

Not as in critical hits

[uncut pebble]

Oh.

Yeah, no, puncture covers me on everything I could worry about.

[torn acorn]

ı am checking the big guide in pins to see what blessings and perks to use on what

[hollow ibex]

I use bolt pistol on my grenadier build

[hollow ibex]

Yeah this is accounting for puncture

[torn acorn]

for example a question: for those of you that use devil's claw which mark is preferable?

[uncut pebble]

Mk4 or mk7.

They're basically the same sword but their heavies are alternate.

[hollow ibex]

I prefer IV but VII is fine too

[spark helm]

Anyone know if martyr skulls reset or something?

[hollow ibex]

Just don’t use I

[uncut pebble]

Mk4 opens with a strikedown, mk7 opens with a horizontal sweep.

[torn acorn]

ı had it on 4

will just keep it like that

ı am used to the light heavy sweep light heavy sweep combo for hordes

[hollow ibex]

Same lol

Hard for me to go the other way around now

[torn acorn]

what melees are you guys using anyway

[obtuse raft]

Speaking of lethal prox, what distance does it stop proccing and what does it actually like... do
I've been jumping around between blessings for something alongside puncture and I feel like I can tell the difference up close but IDK

[torn acorn]

ı feel ı don2t use parry too often and otherwise dc isn't that impressive

[broken spade]

I just use lethal prox because of the grenade thing

[uncut pebble]

I have no idea what the arming distance for shots is, I just run lethal prox for the grenade aoe buff.

[hollow ibex]

Parry is great and the main reason you’d use dclaw

Because dclaw is ass otherwise

[torn acorn]

yeah yeah ı know ı just find myself not using it much

[broken spade]

if you feel like testing, tag an enemy in psykanium to measure distance

[obtuse raft]

Also that's awesome to know it applies to frags. Weird interaction but I'll take it

[torn acorn]

it is within parameters in uprising lol

hadron is affecting my speech patterns

[hollow ibex]

Oh ok fair enough lol

[uncut pebble]

I believe if you drop a shredder directly in the center of the psykhanium with a lethal prox bp equipped, it will hit literally everything.

The area is massive.

[craggy ridge]

where do people see these stats?

[broken spade]

yeah

[uncut pebble]

And it stacks with tinkerer.

[torn acorn]

ı want a horde clear melee though

[hollow ibex]

Yeah the radius is silly

[torn acorn]

ı use zarona rn so elites are covered

[obtuse raft]

I just mean visually I can't tell the difference between it proccing and not. Or what the actual stats on it are

[real shoal]

Entire reason I made a dedicated grenadier build, lol

[torn acorn]

that thing is so satisfying

[real shoal]

Gotta go knife and finish the bleed-fecta.

[broken spade]

lethal prox with that grenade buff talent in the tree gives shredders 14-15m radius
29m diameter grenade lmao

[obtuse raft]

Shredders my beloved

[torn acorn]

can knife even handle crowds? ı thouht it was backstab elites the melee?

though ı didn't use it so can't realy comment

[real shoal]

light spam with bleed on melee spec with all the attack speed on the way feels alright to me.

[torn acorn]

bleed on melee spec is on the talent tree right?

[real shoal]

No, that's mostly useless. Just for activating a couple of particular traits

[obtuse raft]

Knowing fat shark I assume that grenade interaction only applies when it's actively in hand?

[hollow ibex]

Rashad heavy sword smaul shovel mk1

[real shoal]

The light melee knife thing is just Flesh Tearer and Uncanny Strike.

[broken spade]

it actually doesn't need to be

very weird that it doesn't

[obtuse raft]

Huh

[torn acorn]

smaul?

[broken spade]

i thought the same thing and tried it

[torn acorn]

ı know the rest wil check them out thx

[obtuse raft]

FS consistency challenge: impossible

[torn acorn]

shock maul ok ok

my bad lol

[real shoal]

crit on knife, Desperado, and the 5% crit above the abilities. Ends up with a pretty good crit chance, and two crits is full bleed stacks. And uncanny makes bleeds more effective into flak, unyielding, and carapace, not to mention making the heavies stronger.

It's not gonna churn through crowds like a Rashad or heavy sword, but it deals with all levels of enemies pretty handily only being a little sus into ragers, but the activation punch does stagger and make an opening for you. Though just shooting them with Bistol or whatever is plenty fine.

[torn acorn]

ı should try out a knife then that seems nice

though ı can't get 2 blessings on weapons rn

[hollow ibex]

Knife requires a lot of talent points to work well

[tall torrent]

Punch does not stagger rager on its own

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah there’s power sword too

[real shoal]

Seen it stagger, don't know the conditions where it will or won't.

[tall torrent]

It needs another staggering hit

[bronze trout]

It's a mod called Scoreboard

[torn acorn]

what is the thing for the power swords? like what do they do

[craggy ridge]

ty

[hollow ibex]

They do everything well but are super janky

[torn acorn]

gold is tight in early levels so ı can't try too many weapons

[hollow ibex]

You also need power cycler 4

Or they suck ass

[torn acorn]

ı don't know what 75% of the weapons do lmao

[hollow ibex]

So gotta grind the blessings first

[craggy ridge]

hit things

[hollow ibex]

Prob go for a lower investment weapon then

[rotund tartan]

what's the best helbore build

[torn acorn]

lmao fair enough

[hollow ibex]

Like shovel heavy sword dclaw etc

[real shoal]

But yeah, I wouldn't suggest knife to people looking for meta weapons, but it fits what I like to do and have found that it's pretty effective.

[torn acorn]

ı miht just go for shovel maybe

shovel is thematically fun

[hollow ibex]

Yeah shovel isn’t amazing but it does ok and has funny thunk sound

[tall torrent]

Knife is pretty meta, just not really worth on veteran most of the time

[torn acorn]

it is literally just a small shovel

that's it

[ancient path]

shotguns kinda feel like 'why would i ever use this' kinda thing.

besides fun

[craggy ridge]

on a more serious response, I also had absolutely no idea what was going on for my first week or two of playing

I am still learning stuff everyday

[ancient path]

combat shotguns*

[torn acorn]

thankfully ı have been referencing the guide in pins so ı am better off than majority of players ı would assume,

[hollow ibex]

The first step to success

[torn acorn]

was just about to say double barrel rocks

at least on lower difficulties

[craggy ridge]

you know what feels like a joke weapon? the helbore lasgun

[real shoal]

It rocks on auric damnations too in my experience.

[graceful cypress]

I was messing around with a pretty good build that makes the combat shotguns decent enough, but it really does fall short of stuff like the plasma gun, bolt weapons, vraks auto gun, recon las gun. Not the worst, but not the best. I think even the laspistol is probably better

[real shoal]

Consistently wrecking the shit out of elites and hordes with it.

[uncut pebble]

It's really good, just very hard to use.

[torn acorn]

ı can one shot mutants with the double fire that is satisfaction

[thin stone]

The infantry lasguns are a joke

Now that recon is so good

[uncut pebble]

Fatshark has alleviated a lot of the issue by making one motion be 25% swap speed instead of whatever it used to be.

[craggy ridge]

I can't get past the two years (/s) it takes for the weapon swap animation

[graceful cypress]

Yeah not really a reason to use them

[thin stone]

Infantry autoguns are good tho

Braced Autogun is also ok if you don't want to take out snipers

[real shoal]

But have you been inside of a crowd, swapped and fired one shot, and had like 20+ enemies go up in a cloud of blood? That's my peak with the double shotty. Especially because that can be done every second or two as long as you're picking up a single melee kill in the mean time.

[ancient path]

im about to try both barrels in damnation

[torn acorn]

full builds look so interesting

can't wait ot get up there

[graceful cypress]

It's called an ogyrn kickback lol

[real shoal]

But you have to reload a kickback

[thin stone]

Best melee for vet?

[real shoal]

WS double shotty reloads itself

[tall torrent]

Learn to fight ragers and you’ll be better than 90% players in the game

[graceful cypress]

Worth lol

[torn acorn]

ı headshot them with zarona that count?

[thin stone]

I currently use Power sword

[ancient path]

man power sword being peak feels hella weird lol

[surreal blade]

What kind of build should I go for as a starter

[thin stone]

So wait those tiny assassin axes are good?

[real shoal]

They're decent ime

[thin stone]

I forgot the name

[torn acorn]

starter as in your first proper build or as in you just started the game?

[surreal blade]

I just started

[torn acorn]

ı wouldn2t worry about builds that much

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother with builds because u don’t have any unlocks

[torn acorn]

ı also started a couple days ago

[tall torrent]

Learn melee first

[torn acorn]

you won't really be able to do builds anyway

you lack talent tree or blessing progression

[thin stone]

How do try that

[tall torrent]

What difficulty

[torn acorn]

uprising lmao

ı am a scrub don't mind me

[tall torrent]

Experience comes with practice

[real shoal]

Honestly, just use any weapon that you want to for the experience until you get some levels. Then pick one that felt good and use it a bit more until you get deeper down the tree.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[real shoal]

That was a combat axe though, not a tac axe, right?

Not that tac axe couldn't do it.

[sleek garden]

how were you able to push at no stamina

[torn acorn]

so ı am doing light light push? is that applicable in general?

[orchid hemlock]

because path is built diff

[sleek garden]

tac axes stagger ragers on heavies apparently

[thin stone]

How

[tall torrent]

I don’t

As long as it’s >0%, u can push

The hard part is learning the timing

U fail to hit all 3 with PA, u get guard broken and combo’d

[thin stone]

Ow

[tall torrent]

On Rashad?

[thin stone]

No wonder I die so much in auric damn

[tall torrent]

Light spam & PA mixed in

[torn acorn]

on whatever it is that you just sent a clip of. are you lighting there or is that push attack?

[thin stone]

I'm fine in regular damnation tho

[ancient path]

wdym by previous attack? like melee attack?

[tall torrent]

You don’t want to melee groups of ragers most of the time, but u should still practice for the worst scenarios possible

[orchid hemlock]

no

[real shoal]

Shoot gun, number of enemies hit is number of stacks.

[tall torrent]

The left to right “bonk” hit is push atk

[real shoal]

If you hit 5 different enemies with the previous shot, you get +60% crit on the following shot

[ancient path]

so its for the not shooting both barrels.

just a one two

[stray storm]

Any tips on completing on Overwatch Penance

[thin stone]

Is critical chance important

[torn acorn]

yeah ok so is that push attack strategy to handle ragers is generally applicable to melees or just rashad and variants?

[tall torrent]

Just combat axes

[ancient path]

but i guess you could double blast once then your next double blast is good

[tall torrent]

Different weapons have different stagger values

[real shoal]

I don't know, I only use scatter shot on the wide-shot combat shotgun.

With the bleed on crit

[torn acorn]

makes sense thanks

[tall torrent]

I have stagger breakpoints posted in my guide

[torn acorn]

WAIT

it is you

[thin stone]

Play on Heresy with shout veteran and good melee

[torn acorn]

holy

[thin stone]

Or Malice

[torn acorn]

thanks so much for the guide

[real shoal]

Yes, he is him.

[thin stone]

Path.exe is legend

[tall torrent]

[thin stone]

I recently finished on overwatch

[real shoal]

Lol, I did it with a recon lasgun while farming stacks for the stupid "stand still to gain stacks" keystone.

Had a dueling sword, but barely used it.

just flashlight rave my way crabwalking through a map and shouting at anything near me.

[tall torrent]

Another example is power sword

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1305379126919565332/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.10_-_22.44.52.11.mp4?ex=67361c4c&is=6734cacc&hm=1a49dd54f1517c7cc082d3bb7c47f80c994540f500f35df6f380c10b9c70ff44&

[thin stone]

Nice, I had my Recon lasgun too

The outfit is sick

[tall torrent]

Energized light atks can stagger rager

[thin stone]

The on overwatch one

[tall torrent]

However u have to make sure u hit all 3

If a single one is not staggered, he’ll attack and break ur energized combo

[ancient path]

did you cancel the power up with a dodge?

[tall torrent]

This causes u to lose the energy charge

[real shoal]

looks like he animation cancelled, yeah.

[tall torrent]

U don’t cancel with dodge, u cancel with block

[ancient path]

interesting

[real shoal]

Might have been a run-cancel--nvm, he said it was block cancel

Seeing the run-cancel reloads was mind blowing.

[torn acorn]

?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1299199528263614584/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.24_-_22.27.54.02.mp4?ex=67360a99&is=6734b919&hm=c8cdd75955dc3ab85520d660f6f0207da11c0fcfa274752b0e6adf71c15e0f61&

[real shoal]

Reloads are incremental, once you pass a certain point, it's saved. And apparently if you cut it off at the right times by running, you can restart the reload from a point that's faster than if you hadn't cancelled it. And you can do it several times on soemthing like the boltgun

[tall torrent]

Recon can get ~1s reload if u do the reload cancel trick

[real shoal]

I really miss knife-throw cancelling the bolter reload on zealot.

[torn acorn]

are these kind of cancels necessary on higher difficuulties?

[sleek garden]

not if you have a good team

[real shoal]

It's replicable with other tech on vet, but it's so much easier for me to just knife throw.

[sleek garden]

saving a half second on a bolter reload might save you from a mid horde trapper though

[torn acorn]

trappers

ı hate trappers

[sleek garden]

me too

[torn acorn]

all my homies hate trappers

[sleek garden]

ogryns second worst enemy

[nocturne mulch]

What is the trick exactly? I see the different animations but how do you trigger that

[sleek garden]

the first is shotgunner horde

get blasted back 30 feet and take 300 health damage if you arent prepared for them

[torn acorn]

shotgunners have ırl accurate effective range as opposed what most games would depict a effective range for shotguns

[sleek garden]

simply sprint forward

[real shoal]

None of those tricks are necessary to do well, but if you can do them, then it enables you to do more dangerous situations or gets you out of your own fuck ups.

[nocturne mulch]

When

[sleek garden]

im not sure

i don't do most of these tricks

i never need to

[nocturne mulch]

On the loaded ammo count going full?

[real shoal]

There's usually 2-3 points where your reload progress is saved.

[nocturne mulch]

I always ani cancel bolter reload

[sleek garden]

if theres one for the ogryn ripper gun good gravy i need it

[nocturne mulch]

But never bothered trying with recon

But 1 sec is alot

[torn acorn]

the boltgun has more ammo reserves than zarona?

really?

[ancient path]

sawed off is kinda funny lol.

put on e1m1

[real shoal]

Yeah, but you'll likely run out of ammo on the boltgun first comparatively. It's really easy to just throw an entire clip into situations.

But if you're tempered and just using it for controlled sniping, it's gonna have plenty of ammo.

[torn acorn]

it is just funny from a lore stand point considering how big the bolts are

[tame lodge]

57 vs 100 or something

[craggy ridge]

is this to say that chainswords aren't that great?

[narrow frost]

Correct

they are not that good

only can do 1 thing

basic horde clear and maybe elite kill if you build for it

[craggy ridge]

fair enough

[narrow frost]

Tier list is from@tall torrent

but I agree with all of it

[ancient path]

i love my chainsword so idk lol.

seeing it that low is kinda funky

because i also hate p swords

[sick marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

U sprint cancel (forward + sprint, let go of forward immediately) immediately after removing battery pack, and immediately after inserting a new one

[tall torrent]

Damn that’s crazy

[narrow frost]

Crazy?

I was crazy once

oh, all but 1 weapon

autopistol

my beloved

I love my little utility pistol

[tall torrent]

@ancient path chainswords are very good at wiping groaner & poxwalker hordes
But they’re not good at dealing with elite waves, carapace or monster unless you’re playing zealot

This is a veteran guide so I’m judging from veteran’s perspective

[ancient path]

i main veteran and i trust your advice, dw. it's 100% personal preference.

im just some meatbag who likes to spam m1 with chainsword because it feels great lol

[thin stone]

Which mk power sword is better?

[tall torrent]

VI

[thin stone]

Oh damn

That's the one I'm using

Along with the laser beam recon

[craggy ridge]

and i appreciate that

someone Shill for Smoke Grenades to me

[thin stone]

Anything better than it for veteran?

[tall torrent]

Refer to the tier list posted above

[thin stone]

So the dueling sword

[tall torrent]

They all do different things

[thin stone]

How so?

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword has better single target & mobility

Knife has the best mobility, a bit better horde clear and very high single target

Rashad can be better than power sword if u spec into melee talents

[thin stone]

And power sword?

Horde clear?

[tall torrent]

Power sword does everything well

Besides dodge

[thin stone]

Fair

Knife seems like the best

To me

Or is its horde clear not that great vs power sword

[tall torrent]

Not great

But is serviceable most of the time

[thin stone]

I'll just learn how to use the Power sword

Idk why I suck when I'm using the Devils claw 4

It feels very meh

Only good for horde clear i think

@tall torrent how're the devil's claws?

[tall torrent]

They’re alr

4 and 7 are good (have clear weaknesses)

[thin stone]

Usable in auric maelstroms?

[thin stone]

Clear weaknesses?

[tall torrent]

Bad flak damage

[tall torrent]

Basically everything is usable lol

[thin stone]

Oh yeh right

[tough tiger]

Anything is usable there lol

[thin stone]

Bruh

I'm gonna live with my skill issue

It's fine

I only have 300 hours in the game anyway

[tough tiger]

Just parry when you're pressed by some melee elite

[thin stone]

Most Elite players have a lot more

[thin stone]

I'll try to

[tough tiger]

Its just 1 button press that u can spam, dont worry about it

[thin stone]

Party is right click yes?

[tough tiger]

Parry is the side mouse thing

[thin stone]

Oh

Wait that charges my power sword

[tough tiger]

Game calls it the special action thing

[thin stone]

How will it party if it charges the power sword

[tall torrent]

It’s parry for devil’s claw sword

[thin stone]

Ohhh

[errant carbon]

I thought it was parsley for heavy sword

Or was it parking for dueling sword

[queen fox]

parsley is mid

broccoli best vegetable

[thin stone]

Lmao I just realised I wrote party

[queen fox]

if we're talking leafy greens, bean sprouts

or arugala

[arctic rampart]

everyone has weapons that fit them better by default. some people swear by the catachans, but I tried them a few rounds and hated them never tried em again.

just use the weapons you like and have fun with. you can do aurics with any weapon

[tough tiger]

Ppl use the catachan cuz its fun mostly

[thin stone]

How to get the veteran armour set from the trailer?

[tough tiger]

Do the penances to unlock them

[tall torrent]

Hestia’s blessings

[thin stone]

Ayo

[tough tiger]

Armor looks best if u have 3 other vets also wearing the same set

Otherwise u look kinda goofy tbh

[thin stone]

Is it a complete set

[tall torrent]

No

[thin stone]

Bruh

[tough tiger]

Xd

[thin stone]

How to get all three pieces shown in the trailer then?

They look sick

The head, torso and legs

[sleek garden]

on my vet i always use the mk1 devils claw

any time i need single target damage i just parry

because all my points go into my gun

[thin stone]

Damn

[sleek garden]

it works fine for me

i like the double sweep heavies

[thin stone]

What about this

[sleek garden]

which trailer

[tame lodge]

PS5

Probably the poster armor

So Hestia

[thin stone]

It should be a complete set right?

Also is there a veteran guns tier list?

Like the melee

[tough tiger]

Meta is just plasma gun and vraks 7 or sth, it used to be called the columnus

[thin stone]

I use the recon lasgun

[tough tiger]

Everything else is servicable but have niches or weaknesses

[thin stone]

I like to set the world on fire

[tough tiger]

Recon las is also great

[thin stone]

How's the default infantry lasgun?

[craggy ridge]

Smoke Grenades good?

[tough tiger]

Mid

[thin stone]

Fair

[tough tiger]

Also requires some aim

Unlike the meta options

[thin stone]

Fr fr

What blessings and perks do you want

On Recon lasgun

[craggy ridge]

mid, but even more lackluster when you compare it to the Recon

[tough tiger]

Infernus and sth else

I forgor

[thin stone]

I got unyielding + Carapace + headhunter+ Infernus

On mine

[tough tiger]

And go for crit talents on the tree

[thin stone]

Did

[tough tiger]

Awww nahhh not cara dmg

[thin stone]

Why

[tough tiger]

Base dmg is so low, buffing it wont help much at all

[thin stone]

So then?

Unyielding+ flak?

[tough tiger]

Better to just melee crushers

Or bodyshot maulers

Yeah

[thin stone]

I can kill crushers very fast

Depending on how you define fast

The brittleness talent helps

Onslaught?

[tough tiger]

It does

But i'd rather just use a melee

[thin stone]

Power sword not fast enough for me

Due to skill issue

[tough tiger]

Psword moveset for killing crushers is a push attack + light attack

2 attacks and they're dead

[thin stone]

Damn

[tough tiger]

Go test it in the psykanium

[thin stone]

Push is block + right click?

[tough tiger]

Block + hold left click

[thin stone]

6 AM for me

My mom will bonk me

[tough tiger]

7 am here

[tame lodge]

Good at doing what they are supposed to do yeah

Which is concealing you

So throw at your feet or where you'll be in two seconds

[undone jungle]

Only the case for flamelike weapons of which there aren't very many of lol

[craggy ridge]

block is right click

[modern dome]

As others say its pretty mid, but I play with it and mk IV on auric maelstrom with the shovel (for the soul ) and it does me plenty good.
I take as much ranged crit as I can stack, weakspot damage, and most importantly suppression immunity and focus on faraway specials

Emperor protect, reject 💅

imo soul and immersion is way more important than meta though, and I dont mind laying half a mag into what a couple bolts coulda solved

[modern dome]

smokes I find are also good for making temporary walls between the ranged and melee units so I throw them into the middle of a room so I dont accidentally disorient my team

makes ogryn fren smile

[broken gazelle]

I need like 1 more talent point. 30 isn't enough

[tall torrent]

What build do u have

[pseudo fiber]

path ripping a skillpoint to optimise your build

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-vision-take-it-give-it-to-me-gif-18594882

[nova heron]

Infernus / headhunter or Infernus / dum dum usually

[clever hedge]

Got to pay that "pick any grenade" tax the stealth vets wanted

[orchid hemlock]

On all recons is crit rate/maniac/flak

And for blessings it's dumdum/deathspitter

Or if you are using the XII you can go for dumdum/Infernus

[ancient path]

throw it at gunners swarm. shovel out for the emperor.

[wild vortex]

Use smoke when you and your team are being targeted by gunners and flamers and there's a trapper on the way too, confuses the hell out of all of them

[wild vortex]

You don't throw smoke at enemies, you throw it in the area you're in

[wild vortex]

Read path.exe's explanation in his guide

I have become a Smoke convert since understanding it

[faint beacon]

Both work

[craggy ridge]

thank you for the repsonses regarding smoke grenades

i am still getting used to them but so far they are very awesome and fun

[faint beacon]

its smarter to do it at yourself

but you can do it to flush Gunners out of an area

Forces them to reposition

Holy shit smokes require thinking using!

But yeah

[ancient path]

i hate thinking.

[faint beacon]

You either toss them at your feet for either

Cover from being fired at

OR

At them to flush them out of hard cover

[wild vortex]

Yeah but throwing them at your feet gives you the cover you need to just charge / shoot the gunners, while also making it harder for trappers and flamers to get you

[faint beacon]

Now think of situations where gunners have a Ground advantage and you guys already have cover

you just need to force them to move cause they have good cover

Happens a few times in matches

[wild vortex]

True I guess

[faint beacon]

Its not that its like

You should be skinned for considering it

especially if you got grenade regen

but consider trying it if you see your team being forced into a "How the fuck can we flush them out" scenario

[pseudo fiber]

Any long hallway or probably several spots in Clandestine Gloriana have this issue

[faint beacon]

Clandestine is Notorious for that

[frank basin]

Been one open wide area no cover ranged enemies surrounded us the smoke saved our asses

[sleek garden]

i just logged on to praise smoke

awesome

i have been trying to use it and its outstanding on the final event of water purification

[tame lodge]

Silo Cluster mentioned
What the hell is cover

🗣️

[clever hedge]

Cover? Never met 'er

[umbral scaffold]

sounds like an every day job for most people here

but me? nah i got my builds locked in

[hearty panther]

Oh, I know her. I know her real good. We found each other years ago, her in the same way she did me -- getting blasted at by twenty fucking shotgunners. She was stiffer back then, but we still danced beautifully that night. Yeah, been with a lot of women like that since then. Intimately, with no intimacy. -puffs corpse cigarette or something i dont fucking know 40K-

[umbral scaffold]

just know i also hooked with her too

😉

[hearty panther]

THAT SLUT

[ancient path]

man the sawed off is super fun lol.

[drowsy aspen]

Lho-stick

[green willow]

skirmisher, or agile engagement

[tame lodge]

Agile

[ancient path]

also trying out p sword again by this channels recc and the dodges are a lil rough

[hearty panther]

boy are they ever