U have to sprint a full second to stack it once. Sliding & jumping don’t provide stacks
#veteran-class
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It’s active basically at the start of fights and that’s it
I think it needs to at least be able to stack through sliding
drowsy aspen
Bolt Pistol is absolutely goated on a weapon swap build btw
It's good. I can't tell you it's great, but it's good
And it's also very very fun
tall torrent
It’s ok
hollow ibex
not taking extra nade and tinkerer for the ultimate nade spam experience smh
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not taking extra nade and tinkerer for the ultimate nade spam experience smh
Can’t afford with Rashad
hollow ibex
😭
hollow ibex
bolt pistol grenadier builds use shredder nades
if i make a grenadier build, i'm going to go all out
so 4 shredders 
grenader tinkerer, 2x grenade regen
field improv
real shoal
Bolt Pistol is absolutely goated on a weapon swap build btw
Yeah! I am also completely in love with doublebarrel weapon spec. Gonna bust my Q key running that load out.
green willow
what it do
molten hound
+20% crit chance on dodge
green willow
how good is the crit damage then
molten hound
extremely
slow spade
yo rashad with weapon spec kinda fucks
to be fair, a potential +25% attack speed on any melee weapon would likely make it good :p
molten hound
feels like i mow through hordes faster than with knife
uncut pebble
Uncanny strike and change your weakspot damage to flak damage.
Weakspot and crit perks are terrible on weapons.
tame lodge
executor or uncanny strike
Uncanny 
green willow
im confused
umbral scaffold
So, dueling sword is best on veteran or zealot?
pastel zealot
So, dueling sword is best on veteran or zealot?
for veteran? depends on what you're trying to do. Personally, I don't like the dueling sword on vet because when shit hits the fan and i'm surrounded, i wan't something that can clear hordes easy
slow spade
Zealot imo
Vet has the Psword which has most of the damage burst of dueling sword without sacrificing horde clear
tall torrent
So, dueling sword is best on veteran or zealot?
Scales better for zealot
molten hound
i think dueling sword is good weapon for vet if you only want to put 2 points into bottom right hand side of tree (reciprocity and desperado)
power sword functions well without any investment down that tree
tall torrent
Duelling sword doesn’t even need those to hit breakpoints
umbral scaffold
Thanks! Want to create a vet or zealot, playing ogryn mostly but cant decide. Tried both, zealot seems better than vet at most of the things plus immortality
tall torrent
Those 2 nodes are just good and they help
pastel zealot
Thanks! Want to create a vet or zealot, playing ogryn mostly but cant decide. Tr...
hah.
slow spade
Thanks! Want to create a vet or zealot, playing ogryn mostly but cant decide. Tr...
Low skill floor, high skill ceiling moment.
You'll get used to it
umbral scaffold
Ogryn with aurics plays super smooth, but maybe I liked the mobility that zealot gives. 😄
pastel zealot
if you are prone to having the zoomies, then yeah zellies
tall torrent
Thanks! Want to create a vet or zealot, playing ogryn mostly but cant decide. Tr...
Veteran has the worst stamina management by default so it could be that
slow spade
Could try weapon specialist builds on Vet if you want to move faster
tall torrent
But veteran scales higher in terms of consistently hard hitting melee
umbral scaffold
Ah, thanks again. Just loving playing as guardsman
tall torrent
A lot of people also mistake veteran as the “ranged class” which is untrue
Psyker is the “ranged class”
slow spade
If only we could execute our allies for a +100% attack speed buff 😔
tall torrent
Veteran is the “melee & ranged hybrid class”
green willow
yes
umbral scaffold
Isnt zealot also a hybrid one? They have bolters and what not
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Zealot is primarily melee
green willow
they're more melee
hollow ibex
zealot is less hybrid than vet
green willow
somewhat healing
umbral scaffold
Ah yeah, I wonder how bolters differs on both
tall torrent
Boltgun on veteran: kill everything
Boltgun on zealot: magdump crusher, elite wave & boss
umbral scaffold
I assume bolter on zealot is just bosses and gunners
green willow
you could still become john wick on veteran
tall torrent
I assume bolter on zealot is just bosses and gunners
Mostly just for carapace & boss
placid shoal
so adept assassin is bugged, is there no way I can progress it currently?
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so adept assassin is bugged, is there no way I can progress it currently?
Are u sure ur getting critical weakspot kills on elites & specialists
placid shoal
Are u sure ur getting critical weakspot kills on elites & specialists
I resorted to surgical on the revolver, no progress at all.
tall torrent
It needs to happen within WS’s uptime
placid shoal
yup
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Which is 5s for ranged weapon, 10s for melee weapon
rigid schooner
is dumping mobility or collateral more useful on the autopistol?
placid shoal
ok
digital cargo
is dumping mobility or collateral more useful on the autopistol?
I'd dump mobility
jovial sluice
Heh what are the odds that rinda is still alive lol
wicked epoch
She still is
everytime yo9u tried to kill her in terror in the dark she farts and disappears
hasty pasture
Alright hit me with vet builds
I'm using bolter and powersword currently
But I'm only lvl 20
scarlet vessel
Im enjoying Brutal Momentum Headtaker Rashad a lot more than Dueling4
jovial sluice
think i may have finally found my melee weapon that i desperately needed
the heavy sword
split bison
Howdy, it's been a... long, looong time since I've been around here, but I decided to get back into it post update and enjoying living out my Commissar fantasies with a Bolt Pistol and Power Sword. What should I be using for my Perks for the Power Sword now that we can truely max out our gear?
Pre-update powersword.
split bison
By the Emperor... alrighty. I think I'm reading all of this correctly: Melee DMG Boost over the Crit Chance. Power Cycler and Sunder is a good combo, but Burtal Momentum is also a good pick, and Probably something for more damage against elites overall for better combat damage?
Also what is s.PA?
hollow ibex
prob special push attack
fading yarrow
Southern Pennsylvania
split bison
prob special push attack
Ok, so the combo would be push to stagger I'd imagine, then L1-L2, then push to stagger again if it's still powered. Fair enough.
hollow ibex
Ok, so the combo would be push to stagger I'd imagine, then L1-L2, then push to ...
for single targets, the formula is read as charge, block cancel, charged push attack, followed by two charged light attacks
fading yarrow
^ Power Cycler makes it that all attacks in that chain are charged
So you charge, do the chain, recharge, repeat
undone jungle
Also what is s.PA?
special push attack
split bison
Right, just didn't know how to articulate that properly, cheers.
split bison
Lmao, gonna need to start breaking out the ol' fighting game skills at this rate instead.
jovial sluice
....well doing auric damnation with a not so fully developed heavy sword wasn't the brightest of ideas....
split bison
Never thought I'd be doing animation-cancels in a FPS.
undone jungle
Lmao, gonna need to start breaking out the ol' fighting game skills at this rate...
mk6 is pretty shrimple
you just special -> push attack -> light
that will quickly 2 tap a Crusher with that setup
undone jungle
BC means block cancel
oh mk6 heavy attacks are dogwater
you basically never use them
mk6 is universally regarded as the better one (frankly it can be considered OP) but i prefer mk3 because its more fun
I like Sunder on Mk3 since it's pretty much made in heaven for it but for Mk6 BM is probably better
split bison
I like the Mk3 but that's also all I got at the moment, lel
undone jungle
I mean it's not that mk3 is bad its just that mk6 is op lol
mk3 is very very good
it is a power sword
mk6 is also just the fastest way to kill crushers with some of the best horde-clear in the game
queen fox
i was really hoping the mastery skin for the helbore would make the sights better
undone jungle
(also a terrible dodge which is why i dislike it)
undone jungle
i was really hoping the mastery skin for the helbore would make the sights bette...
are you on PC
queen fox
yes
spark helm
So...combat shotguns. What's up with that?
tall torrent
power sword is really just not fair lol
tall torrent
compare with rashad
tall torrent
So...combat shotguns. What's up with that?
They’re usually somewhat inconsistent
Can be fun
undone jungle
So...combat shotguns. What's up with that?
I like lawbringer for Vet since you can make the special shells work. Besides that I like the heavy fire one (forgot the name because they keep fuckign changing them) on Zealot as it's very reliable for CQC and can 2 tap all specials with No Respite any range
I hate Agri because it fucking sucks to use
spark helm
I'm gonna do it anyway. Finishing these masteries for humans. Assault chainsword and shock maul as well.
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undone jungle
I have good aim. I love how Agri just fails to guarantee 1 taps at random because pellets
I'd rather use actually good weapons thanks
undone jungle
I mean the fact bolt pistol has comparable ammo just blows it out of the water
undone jungle
Uh have u ever tried the slug?
yeah lots of time to load those things in at snails pace on aurdamn
tough tiger
Idk about u but i load them just fine
undone jungle
Okay!
Good for you!
I'd rather use weapons that don't need to be babysat to perform well
tough tiger
So basically low skill weapons xd
undone jungle
that I can pull out and hipfire a Trapper crossmap with
alright man
if you're so skilled let me see you play vigilant autogun then
tough tiger
U can literally do that with a slug agri too
tough tiger
U can always just preload one?
undone jungle
fuck this why am I in Veteran chat talking to this fucking guy
tall torrent
Agri is the bolt action rifle of this game
It’s still very meh
If slugs had better damage and it wasn’t inconsistent 1 tap after 10m it could be better
There’s only 2 things it does notably better than every other ranged weapon for veteran
this is one of them
hollow ibex
combat shotties in general need some love 😭
queen fox
combat shotguns should stagger everything except shields and crushers
actually do they stun maulers and ragers out of their attacks?
hollow ibex
2 shredders + uncanny vs. a crusher. not too bad, considering you could really fuck up a crusher wave like this.
tall torrent
combat shotguns should stagger everything except shields and crushers
They kinda do
hollow ibex
doesn't slug open shield in a single shot?
tall torrent
But it doesn’t matter that much
queen fox
They kinda do
not special ammo, all ammo
tall torrent
When other guns kill
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not special ammo, all ammo
Yes
junior grail
Magazine ammo Shotguns when?
queen fox
do agri shotgun regular attacks knock ragers out of their attack animations?
tall torrent
Yes
queen fox
tru its still bad
tall torrent
Boltgun takes 2 (with very high firerate)
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Plasma takes 2 (slow TTK but high cleave)
Automatic weapons generally have ~2k dps against them
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actually why not give shotguns maniac dmg?
It’s half damage, half consistency
U could 1 tap a trapper at 14m
U could also hit for like 526 damage, aiming at the exact same spot for headshot
Which would be a 2 shot
And for a gun that doesn’t get a lot of ammo to play with, 1 taps matter
Every other low ammo gun can be built to one tap specialists & ranged elites consistently
Not shotguns
queen fox
does full bore apply to the shot that triggers it?
tall torrent
does full bore apply to the shot that triggers it?
Full bore only applies if all pellets of a shot hits the same enemy and doesn’t cleave through to hit anything else
It’s not a full bore problem either
It’s rly just bad consistency
They need better minimum pellet count values, or better per-pellet damage
Because they can only reliable 1 tap up to around 10m or so
And veteran tends to shoot at things further than 10m away
queen fox
and whats the point of a tight-spread shotgun that can't kill past 10m
frank basin
Is a slug shotgun
junior grail
I wish Brittleness applied better for the Shotguns
junior grail
Or just 1 stack whole shot
This I believe
If it was the first then it'd be way more effective
frank basin
I’ll test later
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Or just 1 stack whole shot
This
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I wish Brittleness applied better for the Shotguns
It’s not a brittleness problem either
It’s rly just bad damage consistency
You have a low ammo gun that doesn’t kill carapace particularly well, doesn’t handle mass elites particularly well and takes 2~3 shots to kill ranged elites & specialists
Just meh
split bison
Honestly it sounds like it needs a TF2 adjustment.
junior grail
Even with agri slugs, I kill a Crusher slower than a Vraks Autogun
split bison
"There's a spread pattern" but the pattern is also extremely consistant and non-random.
IE the pellets will always fire out in this specific pattern.
That would boost the consistancy a lot, but again, same same problem right?
It doesn't 1T at range and is a low-ammo slow-reload gun.
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That would boost the consistancy a lot, but again, same same problem right?
The problem is less “spread pattern” and more “it doesn’t 1 tap when I need it to and there’re 4 other guns that 1 tap and do about the same things”
I think it needs to handle elites better and have much better damage consistency
I’m fine with it not doing well on carapace
split bison
That's a good point, it's one of those, "Why would you use the normal Lasgun when the Recon Las does it's job but better?"
It can 1T and can do hoard clear, but the Recon can clear hoard and kill elites/bosses without sacrificing the hoard clear, so why bother with the normal Lasrifle?
bronze trout
Sad times for normal lasgun enjoyers
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It *can* 1T and *can* do hoard clear, but the Recon can clear hoard *and* kill e...
Recon is not rly good at boss damage unless u run infernus
Then it’s just acceptable at it
split bison
Genuinely love my Lasgun, it got me through Damnation back in the early days.
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Infantry Lasguns can use some help tho
verbal burrow
That's a good point, it's one of those, "Why would you use the normal Lasgun whe...
Generational agony
split bison
But everything it does the Recon does better/more of.
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But everything it does the Recon does better/more of.
Not rly
bronze trout
Yeah I miss my XII from back in the day, same with the older shredder pistol
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Recon’s maniac damage is a lot worse
split bison
Not rly
Maybe not by the numbers but it certainly feels/looks like it in game. And sometimes feel is a bit more important than raw numbers.
placid portal
Recon’s maniac damage is a lot worse
Maniac people dont believe that lasguns hurt you
frank basin
Yeah I miss my XII from back in the day, same with the older shredder pistol
And volley fire reload on cast ability
split bison
I also adore the Helbore, and I rarely see anyone use it.
Even I normally only take it when I'm doing Krieger Cosplay.
frank basin
They used to be krieg roleplayer
bronze trout
Seriously why remove it, there's so few reasons to run volley over shout
frank basin
Seriously why remove it, there's so few reasons to run volley over shout
As i love toughness dmg reduction and reload all bullet
Ogryn took vet job
bronze trout
Volley isn't bad but shout saves games 10 times over
verbal burrow
I also adore the Helbore, and I *rarely* see anyone use it.
I suffer critical willpower failure when using that charge up mechanic in combination with those sights
split bison
True, but if you need to use a Mod to do the Developers jobs for them someone's fucking up.
split bison
I suffer critical willpower failure when using that charge up mechanic in combin...
Again, completely understandable, and I'm right there with you. I love the gun, but the base-non-modded Irons + lenseflare + chargeup mechanic for not a much better improvement over the Bolter, Bolt Pistol, or the Plasma Rifle... why bother?
split bison
Hell, I'm pretty sure the Helbore for damage and accuracy is outdone by the Stub Revolver.
frank basin
Hell, I'm pretty sure the Helbore for damage and accuracy is outdone by the Stub...
Well the zarona does more damage on carapace
With hand cannon
Helbore if I remember has armor bane?
junior grail
Revolver best sniper change my mind
junior grail
Helbore if I remember has armor bane?
It really doesn't do anything significant tho
orchid hemlock
Wrong
split bison
You need a follow up shot in order to actually use it IIRC.
frank basin
Revolver best sniper change my mind
junior grail
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1304727815228362782...
I need that mod
frank basin
I need that mod
Weapon customization
orchid hemlock
It's the kickback with PBB 
split bison
Meanwhile Handcannon is just straight rending on Crit Hit.
frank basin
No I run rumbler with PBB
frank basin
Meanwhile Handcannon is just *straight* rending on Crit Hit.
Yes deal yuge damage on carapace headshot
junior grail
And Weapon Specialist more or less confirms crit shots with Revolver
split bison
It's been a minute so I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure Weak Spot hits do not count as critical hits, that's still RNG.
But you can combo a Weak Spot hit with a Critical Hit for YUGE damage.
split bison
And you can do that with Weapon Specialist or be lazy and use Surgical.
junior grail
And you can do that with Weapon Specialist or be lazy and use Surgical.
I don't have the patience for Surgical sadly
frank basin
That’s what I’m talking about surgical and hand cannon
split bison
Or take the better option and take Weapon Specialist and Point-Blank or Crucian Roulette.
frank basin
Or crucian roulette
junior grail
Yea I'm using Crucian
junior grail
Gonna yee so many haws
split bison
Either way point being is some of the guns that I love the most in this game are just completely irrelevant compared to the rest of the arsenal at Heresy+
tall torrent
Either way point being is some of the guns that I love the most in this game are...
Nah, they’re all viable
Some just have more problems than others
junior grail
Revolver still performs well in Damn no?
frank basin
I miss least or most shot with agripinna
split bison
Revolver still performs well in Damn no?
Ehhhh, it's a bit of a one-trick pony, but it can be really nice if everything is coming together.
verbal burrow
Again, completely understandable, and I'm right there with you. I *love* the gun...
It's not even an improvement over the Kantrael given it's charge-up
junior grail
I just want to use a sidearm other than Ladpistol and Bistol
foggy wadi
I'm just not a fan of these charge weapons. this is going to suck for me to level.
split bison
I mean, fair, but also who doesn't want to be a Commissar with a Bistol?
split bison
I'm just not a fan of these charge weapons. this is going to suck for me to leve...
Then... don't? Just use the weapons you like and then buy-out/max out the ones you don't.
junior grail
I'm just not a fan of these charge weapons. this is going to suck for me to leve...
Just buy and Sacrifice
foggy wadi
im trying to level all weapons for penances
junior grail
I mean, fair, but also who doesn't want to be a Commissar with a Bistol?
I miss Autopistol meta, there i said it
split bison
I love that we just immedately discard the Laspistol out of pocket.
Don't even think about the mini-flashlight gun 
hollow ibex
laughs in full auto mod
frank basin
Full auto on my lasgun inf IV
junior grail
*laughs in full auto mod*
Oh were free to admit we use mods?
Then yes, I use Full Auto mod too teehee
hollow ibex
Oh were free to admit we use mods?
yeah i mean a lot of people here use mods
junior grail
Full auto on my lasgun inf IV
Ngl I find that fun as well, discount recon lasgun
frank basin
Ngl I find that fun as well, discount recon lasgun
All I do is hipfiring
junior grail
Are there any mods for cosmetics other than weapons?
I'd love to be able to recolour some of my armours SM2 style
frank basin
For the drip*
I had it long ago not really my kind
Is make you look cool only to yourself
Use third person camera you will able see yourself
split bison
I do not have any issues with people using Mods.
I do have issues with people reaching for Mods because the developers aren't paying attention and need a subtle kick/reminder that there's other weapons that need to be brought into parity with the other weapons or bolstered to make up for their issues.
Honestly, the Helbore should have zero charge time, a slowed firing rate, and do sniper-rifle damages.
Make it a las-bolt action rifle, make it the trench gun we've always wanted.
AND GIVE ME MORE OPTIONS TO PUT BAYONETS ON THINGS DAMN IT
frank basin
that's is las-lock; single shot lasgun
junior grail
Honestly, the Helbore should have zero charge time, a slowed firing rate, and do...
Agreed
I want helbore to be a laser plasmagun, can overheat making it explode hehe
frank basin
I don't think GW has las bolt-action
so I think GW one control weapon design
they give some freedom to FS
junior grail
No freedom for us to have Hellguns like those Scab Gunners
frank basin
then again, they're one controlling weapon design
split bison
that's is las-lock; single shot lasgun
I know, but the Helbore is the closest we'd get to a normal guardsman getting a hold of a specialty lasgun.
And while it's not true on-tabletop, in lore they're more like WWI bolt-action rifles. Slow fire rate, seriously heavy damage, and a bit more heft and pierce than a more conventional lasgun.
junior grail
I know, but the Helbore is the closest we'd get to a normal guardsman getting a ...
Waiting till Long-Las comes around
frank basin
I seen animation krieg soldier shoot helbore without charging the bolt
they like semi-auto
split bison
I seen animation krieg soldier shoot helbore without charging the bolt
It's figurative, speaking more to the actual rate-of-fire, not the actual action you perform to fire it.
It's still Semi-Auto like a normal Lasgun.
junior grail
I used to call it Lucius pattern lasgun haha
Can we have that delay when equipping Helbores removed? Haha
atomic zephyr
holy shit i finally got my hands on a good double barrel shotgun
i mean not being able to counterfire gunners is still annoying but goddamn
split bison
It feels great even if it's not practical.
radiant chasm
Honestly, the Helbore should have zero charge time, a slowed firing rate, and do...
Nah hold to charge, release to fire rifles have always been a niche
Removing it basically just kills the line cause we have a set of semi auto lasguns anyways
radiant chasm
I agree with the rest of the points, shredder pistol has been abandoned and helbores do need a bit of love
But i dont think making them boring is needed or helpful
atomic zephyr
It feels great even if it's not practical.
luckily it’s good at suppression
split bison
Nah hold to charge, release to fire rifles have always been a niche
Fair enough. It just needs... something to make it more practical/feel better to use.
Maybe the ability to charge without slowing down? I haven't used it in a bit but I remember when you were charging you were stuck in place.
If I could charge it while on the move and then switch to ADS, aim, fire, and then start charging and running again, that would feel a lot better, and make it feel different compared to the Plasma Gun.
molten hound
i am not enjoying the recon lasgun supremacy
jovial sluice
hey question
atomic zephyr
if you can’t beat em join em
jovial sluice
the heavy sword what do you guys think of it?
atomic zephyr
I think it’s pretty good
A nice alternative to the caxe
more horde clear, less damage
green willow
what is it compared against the devils claw
tall torrent
Maybe the ability to charge without slowing down? I haven't used it in a bit but...
It rly just needs better sights lol
tall torrent
the heavy sword what do you guys think of it?
It’s good
jovial sluice
she still not fully at her peak yet but she putting in work
vital wedge
The bayonet attack have amazing stagger tho
foggy wadi
jovial sluice
who thought that the Helbore Lasgun should be made?
someone who thinks that pigs can fly i guess
jovial sluice
The bayonet attack have amazing stagger tho
placid portal
Helbore bayonet only run <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Use mk4 to maximize pain
Cant spam that shit because animations go crazy unstable
vital wedge
Carpel tunnel experience
jovial sluice
the untouchable penance is there a cheese for that?
placid portal
the untouchable penance is there a cheese for that?
/gamemode1
tame lodge
Use mk4 to maximize pain
It has better cleave and second target damage than the others though
vital wedge
They only unlock after malice irc
placid portal
It has better cleave and second target damage than the others though
The attack input get clogged harder than a tacobell toilet
jovial sluice
ok question
atomic zephyr
what is it compared against the devils claw
iirc dclaw has less than half its DPS
jovial sluice
who the fuck would willingly eat tacobell?
placid portal
who the fuck would willingly eat tacobell?
Dont ask me
placid portal
Ofc devil claw has defensive options
vital wedge
the untouchable penance is there a cheese for that?
Bring stamina curio + stealth or shout. Hold the block when you encounter boss. Simple as.
placid portal
Esp vs rager spam 
tall torrent
I’ve never had Taco Bell in my life
green willow
which melee does most deeps
atomic zephyr
the best defensive option is to kill the bastard
placid portal
the best defensive option is to kill the bastard
Which parry does
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atomic zephyr
dclaw is better defensively but hsword special can chain stagger a rager
placid portal
so does hsword special
What does heavy sword special do I cant really tell ngl
tall torrent
which melee does most deeps
If ur going for general purpose, either power sword or combat axe
vital wedge
What does heavy sword special do I cant really tell ngl
Head attack that can chain into heavy strikedown
placid portal
Head attack that can chain into heavy strikedown
Cool that sounds great 🥹
placid portal
Head attack that can chain into heavy strikedown
Can the special break rager stance mid attack?
atomic zephyr
I’ve been getting good mileage from chaxe recently
placid portal
Mk 8 or the other
tall torrent
Can the special break rager stance mid attack?
Yes
Only hits 1 rager tho
placid portal
it’s the one that isn’t blue
Sticky chain axe is fun
atomic zephyr
idk what they changed the name to
placid portal
Dont care Im gonna use old gun names
placid portal
idk what they changed the name to
Worst offender is IAGs
atomic zephyr
is the agrippina still the Agrippina
vital wedge
Got motion sick from chain axe when enemy run and you turn around to them tho
placid portal
is the agrippina still the Agrippina
Yup
atomic zephyr
good
atomic zephyr
Got motion sick from chain axe when enemy run and you turn around to them tho
that’s fair, luckily the push attack-heavy combo doesn’t stick
placid portal
If it didnt kill in 1 shot it aint a Zarona
atomic zephyr
so no issues with running crowds
placid portal
Slaughter + Headtaker do be fine
atomic zephyr
I just spam the lights on heavy targets and they just fall over
placid portal
If you hit the rager before they start swinging you can even lock one down
placid portal
True
So since FS buffed thammer charge up delay maybe chain weapons will get that buff too?
🥹
atomic zephyr
the windup isn’t my problem
it’s how long you have to stick there for the final damage tick
tall torrent
So since FS buffed thammer charge up delay maybe chain weapons will get that buf...
The charge-up time wasn’t changed, it’s the post-hit self stun that got reduced duration
atomic zephyr
luckily neither weapon actually NEEDS their special
they’re both goddamn blenders
with the right build anyway
chaxe without weapons specialist and trench drills is kinda sucky
jovial sluice
wow i'm surprised we dont have a chain knife in darktide
spark helm
I like lawbringer for Vet since you can make the special shells work. Besides th...
Got this thing in the fire version rn. It's alright. I'm generally fucking around and it's alright. Much more fun with ws.
Only thing I'm not a fan of is my talent spread. Gonna have fun with a grenadier build
green willow
wow i'm surprised we dont have a chain knife in darktide
aliexpress vibroblade
vital wedge
We need vibroblade as a weapon similar to power sword(but knife scale)
jovial sluice
there even a chain flail......sure the zealots would have a massive (excuse my french) hard on
spark helm
Are there chain spears
spark helm
40k trash.
faint beacon
I know there's a power glaive in 40k
spark helm
The fucken poleaxe.
faint beacon
Great Chain Axe
tall torrent
Longlas been in game files since forever
faint beacon
Zealot exclusive
tall torrent
One day…
faint beacon
if it EVER
comes out
fucking hell
I know there's rumors of a Power Greatsword as well
Probably what Vet is supposed to get
jovial sluice
`Are there chain spears`
there a Chain Glaive
faint beacon
Force Greatsword is obviously Psyker
jovial sluice
glaives are and i quote "A glaive is, essentially, a large butcher knife on a stick"
@spark helm
mighty anvil
This update of making flamers explode on death is so fucking annoying
umbral scaffold
Pfffffffffft
hollow ibex
This update of making flamers explode on death is so fucking annoying
really is, and the worst part is that they deal health damage even at max toughness lol
like bruh
why
explosion radius is massive too... because reasons??
jovial sluice
This update of making flamers explode on death is so fucking annoying
you just gotta spam jump
verbal burrow
Volley isn't bad but shout saves games 10 times over
verbal burrow
Boltgun is really fun as a sort of sniper rifle
Yes
People are always like “omg how can you cope with the draw time and reload time” but I spend the draw time on taking a moment to contemplate my hatred for the enemy, then paint my name on the kill tracker with the departed souls of elites and specials, then use the reload time on hymns of thanks
oblique sparrow
People are always like “omg how can you cope with the draw time and reload time”...
It’s like Plasma but cooler
frank basin
plasma and boltgun used to compete each other
verbal burrow
It’s like Plasma but cooler
Nah Plasma is what I take out when I am done fucking around
A lot of my game sessions involve me trying to have fun with zealot but then seeing that my team needs help, followed by switching to Veteran with Rashad, Plasma, Krak, damage aura, shout and tag
I then tell them to stay near me and this usually ends any fun the NPCs are having
karmic musk
Is there a table of contents/navigation sidebar for that Hammer of the Emperor guide? The Word search is pretty useless on that website.
tough tiger
People are always like “omg how can you cope with the draw time and reload time”...
Litanies of righteous fury 🗣️💥🔥
karmic musk
Do ppl use Deadshot with Helbore?
grand perch
No since I'm not sure if they profit from it in the break point department
dry cloak
Do ppl use Deadshot with Helbore?
its stacks nicely with surgical
final hamlet
This update of making flamers explode on death is so fucking annoying
They, always explode when hitted on the tank 🤔
verbal burrow
@tall torrent
How would you glow-up an infantry lasgun if you desperately wanted to get some use out of it?
steel lagoon
<@366562874039992331>
How would you glow-up an infantry lasgun if you desperatel...
Would it still have the niche of precision kills vs specialists and gunners in a game that is increasingly about killing horde and crushers, nothing in between?
grand perch
That's...a subjective interpretation
verbal burrow
Would it still have the niche of precision kills vs specialists and gunners in a...
It doesn't have that niche regardless, because the plasma gun, the boltgun, and the revolver, exist.
grand perch
He's not asking what other gun fills the niche better though
verbal burrow
OK and
grand perch
And someone should link a good lasgun build, I'm at work sadly
verbal burrow
Wasn't asking for a build as much as the weapon's perks and blessings
steel lagoon
Wasn't asking for a build as much as the weapon's perks and blessings
Usually any combination of ghost/headhunter/deadly accurate. The slower ILG has lower DPS but you can build on its alpha strike with opening salvo
verbal burrow
Usually any combination of ghost/headhunter/deadly accurate. The slower ILG has...
P much what I already have then :/
balmy flume
Volley isn't bad but shout saves games 10 times over
Multi Shout Vets in Auric is just a life saver…
karmic musk
Anyone know when the guide says Melee DMG Boost, does it mean taking both nodes or just one? If the latter, does it matter if its the 5% or 10% node?
I know for some ranged weapons, it does say take 2x Range Weapon Boost but not for melee weapons.
remote sonnet
Just do high intensity on malice missions. Then get the camou node with branced auto gun or recon lasgun and brrrrrrrrt.
500 kills/mission is possible.
grand perch
day 356 hour 8 minute 41 of hoping that marksmans focus will be reworked into benefitting precision weapons more than bullet hoses
slate hawk
also pure pain
I did the crabwalking strat and just did melee into hoards
jovial sluice
I did the crabwalking strat and just did melee into hoards
just crab walked an entire mission
slate hawk
just crab walked an entire mission
Almost, camo was the way to go for free stacks
And not lose them
jovial sluice
ugh 806 kills left i have to get
scarlet vessel
still cant enjoy weapon specialist forced to get kills on weapon swap or lose buffs. i like to swap weapons around on my own pace
jovial sluice
still cant enjoy weapon specialist forced to get kills on weapon swap or lose bu...
Then swap weapons at your own pace that’s what I do
balmy flume
ugh 806 kills left i have to get
Get yourself an Accatran and mag dump at head level into Poxwalkers hordes.
Suddenly becomes far less painful.
sick marsh
I know the dump stat for plasma is split 71 69, but which one can I put least stats into if needed?
odd sparrow
Charge rate doesnt matter that much. While thermal will increase the amount of shots before you reach overheat
jovial sluice
rocky jacinth
just crab walked an entire mission
this is why you're having a bad time
umbral scaffold
does anyone have mastery 20 on the revolver?
im really curious how the skin looks in game
tame lodge
Think about a Flare Gun
grand perch
But it's red so it goes faster
midnight totem
It's a fat momma of a gun
nova bay
still cant enjoy weapon specialist forced to get kills on weapon swap or lose bu...
If you're leaning more into melee then pairing it with something like a revolver or a bolt pistol is actually not a chore and I find it to fit in naturally into the flow. + Always ready just helps to keep things infinitely going
radiant chasm
Or shotguns, and both buffs have infinite duration until you swap to their respective weapon
atomic zephyr
db shotgun works great with it
if you’re fighting a horde, get a few kills, pull shotgun, click, swap back and cosplay a blender
patent birch
how did yall do the On Overwatch penance
queen fox
Think about a Flare Gun
call it a laslock and im in
tame lodge
how did yall do the On Overwatch penance
Malice low intensity
umbral scaffold
thank you
frigid lance
is a recon lasgun with 380 power 80 everything except for 78 ammo 62 collat worth consecrating and empowering to max
radiant chasm
They done cut the tip off
American revolver
tame lodge
is a recon lasgun with 380 power 80 everything except for 78 ammo 62 collat wort...
Yes
Collat is the dump
earnest bone
doesnt matter
pseudo fiber
but generally yes
atomic zephyr
how did yall do the On Overwatch penance
this is the no damage one right? grabbed a boltgun, found the easiest malice mission i could, got blown off a bridge by a barrel and instantly died, still completed it
dont ask me how it counted
i guess instakill by exiting bounds doesnt count as taking damage
the only vet penance im missing besides the obvious time sink ones is make every shot count
but i have a feeling i'll get that soon what with mutated horrors and double barrel shotgun
just dump all my ammo into the endless beasts of nurgle
narrow frost
this is the no damage one right? grabbed a boltgun, found the easiest malice mis...
Falling off the map doesn't count as taking damage
I help people cheese it by having them jump off the map at the beginning and I speed run the map
narrow frost
Yup
latent summit
is vet best class?
narrow frost
Define best
faint beacon
Damage or Survivability
latent summit
but how is it for damage and clearing hardest difficulty
narrow frost
It all depends on the hands of the player
Any class can solo the highest difficulty
faint beacon
It all depends on the hands of the player
You’re crazy Ainz Veteran clearly needs to be nerfed…..
narrow frost
You should have been there when ham solo'ed a 3veg on ogyrn
It was rough
Took him a week
narrow frost
Pickaxe, rush, rumbler, heavy hitter
faint beacon
Ah
narrow frost
but how is it for damage and clearing hardest difficulty
It's very accessible since most of the damage increases in the class are baseline, so you don't need to actively have to be thinking about it
Easiest class to solo the highest difficulty? No, but vet still can. But you probably don't need to worry about which is the "best class"
But play something fun
All classes are strong
The only one that is clearly lacking is ogryn
latent summit
😄
latent summit
It's a good melee ranged hybrid <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
thx
whats the best build / weapons for vet?
primal zealot
Only class that can viably build keystoneless
Most fun ? Probably weapon spec with a bolter or something
bronze trout
You could also say it like "Class who's keystones kind of suck"
primal zealot
Most useful ? Some kinda support/ammo generator
tall torrent
is vet best class?
No
primal zealot
You could also say it like "Class who's keystones kind of suck"
Not just that but the tree is also a mess. Lotta weird choices and point taxes
hollow ibex
better than zealot
odd sparrow
honestly the keystones dont suck. I would rather just say that Vet has good enough talents that they can substitute a keystone
hollow ibex
You could also say it like "Class who's keystones kind of suck"
one keystone is bad, the other two are good
yeah
bronze trout
Maybe it's more some are best stuff isnt in the keystones. Like If I had to choose between the two I'd probably take regenerating grenades over any keystone.
faint beacon
Marksman Focus needing a rework
sleek garden
i use marksmans focus it seems fine
its just not good outside of infantry guns basically
faint beacon
its just not good outside of infantry guns basically
That’s it’s issue
It’s only benefiting one weapon
tame lodge
whats the best build / weapons for vet?
Ok so
Knife
Rashad Combat Axe
Power Sword 6
Heavy Sword 9
Shovel Standard of 7
Dueling Sword 4
Vraks Infantry Auto Gun
Plasma Gun
Boltgun
Bolt Pistol
Zarona revolver
Then a combination of other builds that will need more time to discuss, unfortunately I have no time to do so
real shoal
I can't wait to never use Marksman's Focus again. xD
faint beacon
Vs like FT and WS when it’s generally over all good
sleek garden
marksmans focus on the spreadshot shotgun is fun
hollow ibex
its just not good outside of infantry guns basically
even then i'd rather just take FT tbh lol
real shoal
I'm at the like 1500/2500 range of it, and I just can't anymore.
primal zealot
You forgot the recon !
real shoal
So sick of just holding the lasgun into crowds.
faint beacon
I’ve come to a conclusion that the stacks decaying is just generally unenjoyable
And is what’s really killing it
I’d rather be punished for missing Weakspots
real shoal
I think walking should be acceptable with it. No parkour, no running. Just walking, like a terminator.
primal zealot
Same
fossil basalt
You can - if you get weakp kills
faint beacon
Yeah but like down time till next horde when you really need it
It’s at
1-3 stacks
Most
real shoal
^
primal zealot
Thing is you shouldn’t need it for hordes
severe gale
stacks should build off melee
real shoal
But how else am I supposed to build stacks and get kills so I can never use it again?
sleek garden
what guns are you using that cant 1-2 shot shooters or poxwalkers with precision strikes
faint beacon
80% of DT is hordes
severe gale
but only apply for ranged
primal zealot
Only time it’s appropriate to brainlessly mag dump into them is for the stupid penance
faint beacon
Lmao
faint beacon
what guns are you using that cant 1-2 shot shooters or poxwalkers with precision...
You should not be doing that
That’s an incredibly bad habit
real shoal
I feel like such a tool dodging all over the place and trying to spray down poxwalkers on top of my face.
sleek garden
its not about that its about you guys saying you need to have stacks ready for a horde
tame lodge
what guns are you using that cant 1-2 shot shooters or poxwalkers with precision...
The usual
Aiag
Vigilant Semi
real shoal
Don't forget the autopistol!
sleek garden
we are talking about marksmans focus
faint beacon
It’s heavily punished via not hitting heads
sleek garden
we need weakspots
faint beacon
Keep in mind it’s fighting with WS and FT
primal zealot
Lmao the vig is just the imperiums equivalent of civilian versions of guns
sleek garden
i will make sure to mention that next time
faint beacon
Why would I ever
tame lodge
See y'all later
real shoal
Still think that thing needs to have bleed bullets or something to give it extra identity. I don't think its stagger or suppression is enough to really give it identity over a braced or infantry autogun.
real shoal
Would feel so cool to just spray all over enemies and have them bleeding out.
sleek garden
blue moon im going to give you a little build that might make this more fun for you
real shoal
I've been enjoying using it on Zealot with knives, but it's also just knowingly inferior to something like a reconlas.
faint beacon
MF is very lack luster for the fact you never really have full stacks on standby for when you really need it that and the other two keystones just outperform it
That’s why it needs a rework
real shoal
Oh, and I really wanted autopistol to have a push instead of a flashlight. Then Psyker would get to have the laspistol push on another weapon, too.
primal zealot
Just bonk them with your staff lol
latent summit
Ok so
Knife
Rashad Combat Axe
Power Sword 6
Heavy Sword 9
Shovel Standard of ...
nice
real shoal
THAT needs a rework too!
real shoal
I want a staff slam that actually pushes shit around.
sleek garden
real shoal
I did something like that
I was also supremely sad that the build wasn't as good on the fire variant.
I just wanted to bleed AND burn them with constant crits.
sleek garden
zarona shotgun with manstopper and deadshot is pretty good at mopping them up without fire
real shoal
Oh, I think it was on Scrier's Psyker or the crit vet.
Right, but it's not fire AND bleed.
Yeah, I'm like 90% sure that it was on Psyker that I did the Zarona bleed shenanigans.
Vet would be alright if I did the ads for crit node. I really like the double barrel with WS though. It's like that but without having to reload.
fossil basalt
I want a staff slam that actually pushes shit around.
I'd love staff special that does a little AoE knockback
it's kinda what the kit is missing
real shoal
I'd love staff special that does a little AoE knockback
it's kinda what the kit...
Right? I'm thinking like a hockey-stick check. Hold the staff across your chest and slam it forward with some force energy. Kinda like the lasgun but fat.
primal zealot
Imagine a skin for the staves that’s just a lacrosse stick
real shoal
Or a scythe
with a slashy re-motion-cap for its push animation
instead of a little pokey stab, sweep the scythe out in a wave of force that pushes everyone back or on their asses.
Way too much work.
They'll never do it.
idle swallow
you know you can just block his channel right
never have to see him again on your feed
hollow ibex
Femboys live rent free in his head
idle swallow
orcka just needs to have a sloppy make-out session with tanner to resolve all those pent up emotions
torn acorn
what blessing is good on double barrel?
atomic zephyr
what blessing is good on double barrel?
check pins for weapon guide
if you don’t wanna dig do either manstopper+flechette or deathspitter+both barrels
crude fiber
so is the portrait for doing 10 of the new modifier mission not showing up for anyone?
torn acorn
check pins for weapon guide
if you don’t wanna dig do either manstopper+flechett...
ı was looking at the wrong one lma
o
fossil basalt
so is the portrait for doing 10 of the new modifier mission not showing up for a...
log in and log out - known issue
sleek garden
been using the antaxe combat axe with all or nothing
its actually pretty decent in a horde situation
grand perch
Only problem with it is you'll be in a situation where you don't want to be out of stamina when you use it
serene bough
trying to test how noticeable marksmans focus actually is
when i use on IIb, it usually pushes a breakpoint at certain ranges since the gun has reverse fall off
as in, its more forgiving and consistent at close-mid ranges
willow siren
what obscure numbers does plasma gun need?
somber adder
69 thermal 71 charge
paper salmon
What does Charge Rate affect on the plasma gun?
fossil basalt
Maybe it affects the charge rate?
You can inspect a weapon to see what the individual stat bars change
stoic thorn
Is everyone's bolter just at 15/100
paper salmon
Ah so it's that little wind up before it actually fires the weapon
somber adder
Is everyone's bolter just at 15/100
Yes as it does not have an ammo stat
slow spade
Is everyone's bolter just at 15/100
no ammo stat
though mine is 15/125
+15% elite damage AND I get my -0.25 stam delay?
sign me up
slow spade
to be fair, you can get the 15 stack upgrade
lets you move for 5 stacks worth of movement
jovial sluice
to be fair, you can get the 15 stack upgrade
slow spade
YIPPIE :D
odd sparrow
yeah having that extra 5 stacks gives you way more leeway before you reach 0 stacks
jovial sluice
crab walk is more fun
willow siren
69 thermal 71 charge
close enough, melk was holding it
funny thing is last time i used plasma was to do the pen that was 100% accuracy wiht no ammo left
sturdy perch
can someone explain to me how to get long bomb, the shredder always bounces
broken spade
yeah just throw it farther/higher
sturdy perch
but then i cant see the enemies
broken spade
Needs to explode in the air before it touches the ground
lucid carbon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WXb0Pnd33Q
vid went poof
orchid hemlock
What?
lucid carbon
its gone
orchid hemlock
Let's gooooo Tanner removed it 😤
lucid carbon
sucks, couldnt finish it in time
earnest bone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WXb0Pnd33Q
Video deleted
darn
No longer i can dump damage on every wep
willow siren
guess i'll try harder next time
earnest bone
and also remove uncanny strike
split bison
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1305379126919565332/Wa...
Quick question, you say in the guide 'Damage Boost' but you don't say specifically which.
I'm assuming weak spot damage because duh, but then am I supposed to pick Critical Hit, Elites, Groaners/Walkers, or Specialists?
orchid hemlock
There are talent nodes that give you ranged damage boost
The one right above the weakspot one
split bison
Ohhh, ok, nevermind I'm just stupid and not reading the guide right.
tall torrent
Quick question, you say in the guide 'Damage Boost' but you don't say specifical...
There’re 2 +5% ranged damage nodes (1 above survivalist, 1 below executioner’s stance)
charred pulsar
Using this
split bison
There’re 2 +5% ranged damage nodes (1 above survivalist, 1 below executioner’s s...
I usually get both of those anyway so that's just on me for not paying attention I guess.
charred pulsar
These are the stats
grand perch
Or this
imo the 2 points for skirmisher and WS arent really worth it for recon + rashad
reciprocity and desperado would be much higher value
recip has nice synergy with shock trooper as well
charred pulsar
Reci + desperado would provide more consistent critical chance right?
grand perch
well that and skirmisher is really underwhelming while WS isnt particularily good on a high uptime weapon like recon. though rashad profits a lot from WS attack speed obviously
charred pulsar
Also, is the lasgun good enough or should I swap something in particular? blessings department mainly
grand perch
you always want dum dum plus headhunter OR infernus OR deathspitter. on mk XII, i prefer dum dum + infernus
unyielding is 'fine' since recon handles bosses well anyway, but youll probably get more use out of flak or maniac dmg
charred pulsar
Aig so dum dum is a must got it
grand perch
and then theres laser orca
charred pulsar
Will try out flak and check
What does dumdum do exactly? it gives more melee dmg?
orchid hemlock
Dumdum is a blessing for the recon
grand perch
its basically a straight damage boost
grand perch
dont worry about it, last i checked it goes out really far
orchid hemlock
All dumdum does is increase close range damage to the weapon who had the blessing
orchid hemlock
Basically yes, it does have falloff when u need to kill a gunner or sniper across the map
But 90% of the time it is free damage
charred pulsar
Nice nice, thank you all
One more thing for another build
Whats better an extra grenade or full middle path keystone?
For bolter so ye no onslaught and got a few extra points
Got this or sacrifice 2 keystones extra stuff for an extra grenade
grand perch
8 stacks of focus target is a waste for multiple reasons, save that point
orchid hemlock
U don't need determined, focus fire, or target down
charred pulsar
Was about to ask that too, how determined works exactly, what does it do? what I get is that I dont get a shake or something when aiming
charred pulsar
8 stacks of focus target is a waste for multiple reasons, save that point
Got it
neon current
so whats the dumpstat on recons, stability?
orchid hemlock
Was about to ask that too, how determined works exactly, what does it do? what I...
It's hard to see without a mod called "crosshair remap" but what happens is when you aim down the sights and someone is shooting you it decreases your accuracy
orchid hemlock
so whats the dumpstat on recons, stability?
Collat
neon current
aight
jovial sluice
FUCK THIS STUPID FUCKING BLOODY FUCKING PENANCE ITS FUCKING DONE FINALLY
charred pulsar
Colateral what do
jovial sluice
sorry about my french
neon current
stagger
charred pulsar
Ah
neon current
but recon wont stagger anything to begin with
charred pulsar
Exactly lmao
Got neted too many times thinking it will stagger the silly net guy
Guess I need to fix my recon too
orchid hemlock
Colateral what do
It's stagger, but recon has such piss poor stagger that even with maximum strength from deathspitter, it literally does nothing to a reaper
bronze trout
When are we getting full armor like this that matches
Bugs me so much the helmet doesnt match
And the matching ones suck
tall torrent
When are we getting full armor like this that matches
This armor is turbo buggy
It has glitched first person animations with multiple weapons’ attacks
bronze trout
I mainly use shock maul and knife and haven't noticed any
tall torrent
I mainly use shock maul and knife and haven't noticed any
Knife mk6, H1 sweep has glitched FOV
You’ll see part of ur arm appear
In a weird way
oblique sparrow
When are we getting full armor like this that matches
Ooh where do you get that helmet
tall torrent
Ooh where do you get that helmet
Scion helmet, it’s out of rotation now
lucid carbon
what blessings are good for double barrel shotgun on a weapon spec build?
tidal mantle
what's the dump stat on PLasma Gun?
tall torrent
what blessings are good for double barrel shotgun on a weapon spec build?
Manstopper + scattershot/flechette
tall torrent
what's the dump stat on PLasma Gun?
It doesn’t have dump stats
tidal mantle
which ones?
tall torrent
Show me ur plasma build first
tidal mantle
hm, want to hop into a voice channel or?
tall torrent
U can just send pictures
tall torrent
I mean talent tree
tidal mantle
oh xD
tall torrent
Did u follow a Gameslantern build lol
tidal mantle
Did u follow a Gameslantern build lol
think so
tall torrent
Ok step 1, don’t use them
oblique sparrow
Scion helmet, it’s out of rotation now
ENLARGED ELASMOBRANCHII LET ME GIVE YOU MONEY
tidal mantle
tall torrent
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/ve...
Yea, this one is horrible
Super popular, also really bad
It’s the kind of build people make when they don’t understand what talents their weapons actually need
tidal mantle
i swapped out toughness regen speeds since its a bait
and i was using powersword at that time
umbral scaffold
what's a good recon build?
nocturne mulch
No combat ability regen yuck
tidal mantle
No combat ability regen yuck
I have it up 100% of the time anyway
Since Auric is littered with specials
tidal mantle
It’s the kind of build people make when they don’t understand what talents their...
what would you swap in/out?
tall torrent
these are the 2 base templates for plasma gun
oblique sparrow
Yea, this one is horrible
Why is this bad? Asking because I have a similar bolter build
tall torrent
Why is this bad? Asking because I have a similar bolter build
Tons of wasted talents, doesn’t understand what that chainsword needs, mindlessly stacks toughness, I can go on
chainsword is already a very niche pick on veteran and he built that variant wrong
tall torrent
my favorite build rn
VoC is playable with boltgun, but exe makes it much stronger
my hot take is that if u don't play exe stance with boltgun ur kinda better off with plasma
oblique sparrow
Thanks
tall torrent
boltgun in exe stance one taps most ranged elites & specialists even on bodyshot
and 2 taps non-ogryn melee elites
oblique sparrow
I use VOC for more crowd control and support, helpful to make enough room in a hoard to shoot an elite farther away
tall torrent
these are the 2 base templates for plasma gun
@tidal mantle if u want to take superiority complex, use +10% elite. Otherwise, use +25% unarmored (must have either)
If u go with superiority complex & elite, flak will get you better mauler 2 shot RNG and occasional scab rager 1hs without crit (enough heat for rising heat), whereas maniac can give u dreg rager 1hs non crit, and 1 bodyshot flamer at high enough heat for rising heat
if u take unarmored (no superiority complex), take flak so u still get 1 bodyshot shotgunners
tall torrent
I use VOC for more crowd control and support, helpful to make enough room in a h...
yea, it's playable
I can see why
I'm just saying, it's much better in exe stance that it might be the highest dmg build on veteran
either top or 2nd
tidal mantle
@tall torrent and for plasma gun, i go flark + unarmoured?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> and for plasma gun, i go flark + unarmoured?
did u read what I sent
tidal mantle
yh man
not well versed enough in this
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do u take superiority complex (talent, bottom left)?
yes -> elite + flak/maniac
no -> unarmored + flak
u can also check out my pinned guide here
it has loads of info
shell python
so like
people say the best helbore lasgun mark is the mk V for the melee, right?
so whats the best mark for actually shooting
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and for Chainsword?
it's in the guide
shell python
cause ive been rocking the 4 for a while
vale ledge
so like
people say the best helbore lasgun mark is the mk V for the melee, right...
Quick shots or decent charge shots
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so like
people say the best helbore lasgun mark is the mk V for the melee, right...
all 3 are good
shell python
charged shots, high single target damage
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IV has the best target selection but worst charge speed
shell python
all 3 are good
oh. shit.
id ask whats the dif between all three marks but im assuming you'll point at your name
vale ledge
IV has the best target selection but worst charge speed
I prefer the faster charging one (forgot it’s name$
shell python
IV has the best target selection but worst charge speed
i figured as much so i put weight of fire and sustained fire on mine
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oh. shit.
id ask whats the dif between all three marks but im assuming you'll po...
IIIa is balanced dmg & RoF
V is high RoF, worst dmg (misses a few breakpoints)
IV has best dmg, lowest RoF
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IV uniquely has higher armor dmg modifier vs carapace and can be built to 1 tap crushers
shell python
yeah im sticking with the IV
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takea a ton of investment to do it but it's possible
vale ledge
IIIa is balanced dmg & RoF
V is high RoF, worst dmg (misses a few breakpoints)
I...
Has one benefit nobody ever realizes about it
shell python
im also debating between sticking with a 60% stability infantry lasgun cause like
vale ledge
It’s bayonet jab can Stunlock crushers if you aim for the helmet part
shell python
i like being relatively speedy but having low recoil to keep shots on target would be good
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im also debating between sticking with a 60% stability infantry lasgun cause lik...
Dump mobility
If u want speed, use IIb infantry lasgun
shell python
aye, ill probably just bin it and go for a 60% mobility infantry lasgun
vale ledge
2 quick jabs with the bayonet can stagger back a crusher easily
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That variant has the best ADS move speed & sprint to fire speed
shell python
i tend to use the VII lasgun anyway
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It’s bayonet jab can Stunlock crushers if you aim for the helmet part
I don’t think so
vale ledge
I don’t think so
I literally just 2 jabbed a crusher 20 minutes ago and it works
And it staggered them back
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I literally just 2 jabbed a crusher 20 minutes ago and it works
Did u have falter
vale ledge
(Was last man standing)
vale ledge
Did u have falter
No actually lmao
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I’ll check
vale ledge
I think it was 2 jabs anyways I was kinda panicking at the end
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I think it was 2 jabs anyways I was kinda panicking at the end
Nope, doesn’t work
vale ledge
Nope, doesn’t work
Huh
Then why’d it work when I did it….
Try heavy jabs maybe?
And you are aiming at the helmet itself, not the opening right?
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Try heavy jabs maybe?
Nope
vale ledge
Which mark is that?
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V
vale ledge
Is that the fast charge shot one? (I legit don’t know any of the marks)
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That’s the fast charging one yes
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What difficulty did u do it in
oblique sparrow
I'm just saying, it's much better in exe stance that it might be the highest dmg...
If you have a link to that bolter build it would be much appreciated
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If u can record it working and give me a replicable condition, I’ll check again
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If you have a link to that bolter build it would be much appreciated
What melee do u want to run
High point cost or low point cost
vale ledge
At work rn so I can’t really lol
I think it works on maulers though
The stagger jab but your probably better of doing meat shots at that point
Or headshots since that’s enough to knock ‘em on their asses somewhat
oblique sparrow
What melee do u want to run
Chainsword Mrk IV, lvl 30
vale ledge
(I play an ammo efficient crit vet build)
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Chainsword Mrk IV, lvl 30
What are u using chainsword for
oblique sparrow
What are u using chainsword for
crowd control
with some elite killing protential
But I'll mostly be using the bolter for that
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But I'll mostly be using the bolter for that
This is for heavy sword which imo does that job better
Chainsword is really mid outside of zealot unfortunately
orchid hemlock
I'm more confused on what u mean by "CC"?
Other than the Rev up how does CS cc anything?
oblique sparrow
Thanks, will try
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He means horde clear
slow spade
Other than the Rev up how does CS cc anything?
it kills them
the most efficient form of CC
slow spade
dueling sword is actually just a CC melee option UwU
orchid hemlock
I cc the crusher perminantly
oblique sparrow
dueling sword is actually just a CC melee option UwU
Who needs a Tahmmer right?
clever hedge
lol tanner who? that guy mr E has a crush on?
hollow ibex
I think he meant to say thammer
copper cedar
triple checking, its maniac and what on the shock maul?