veteran-class

[sick marsh]

I'll keep searching

I gotta master it so I'll keep eyes out when I'm buying more.

[orchid hemlock]

But I assume you don't need survivalist one it

Would be funny to literally have unlimited ammo tho

[tame lodge]

No
Minimal sway when suppressed
Almost as if immune

[worldly pulsar]

You don't need survivalist, no, but I would still get shock trooper

[sick marsh]

if I'm running VOC plasma+ power sword, what sorta curio loadouts should I be looking at?

[worldly pulsar]

Whatever feels good, that's the meta setup and it's strong as hell. I use one HP two toughness

[sick marsh]

what I'm going for

[tall torrent]

It’s not must-have, just “important”

[worldly pulsar]

With a mix of stam regen, toughness regen, sniper, and gunner resist

[sick marsh]

I have 1 21 hp and 1 17 toughness rn, I've stuck a wound one since I'm not using my vet until he's ready.

I'll find a 2nd toughness when I can.

[orchid hemlock]

I use 2 HP, 1 Tough main stat

Perks are toughness, sprint eff, 2 gunner resist, and 1 sniper resist

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, I know, I've seen you say so. I wouldn't run a Helbore without a few of them though

[sick marsh]

so 2 health, 1 toughness viceversa I presume is completely subjective

[worldly pulsar]

Yup

[tall torrent]

I run 2 health, 1 toughness

[orchid hemlock]

Well the issue is that for some reason HP scales better as the main state than as a perk

[worldly pulsar]

More HP is comfy, I admit

[sick marsh]

see which one I find first.

[orchid hemlock]

Why did Fatshark do it is beyond me

[sick marsh]

then run it until I find the other.

[orchid hemlock]

You get 21% HP on a curio mainstat, but as perks u cna only get 15%

[worldly pulsar]

I assume because toughness is easily replenished, so they didn't want to overvalue it

[orchid hemlock]

Versus toughness which is 17%

And the perk being 15%

[sick marsh]

to 15

yeah

that's fair

[tall torrent]

for veteran

I run these

[orchid hemlock]

Yes but why is the perk the same as toughness then?

I honestly think it's just an oversight by Fatshark

It makes no sense how you look at it

[tall torrent]

Toughness is +17%

[worldly pulsar]

I would assume to limit stacking but I might be giving them too much credit

[orchid hemlock]

I'm talking about perks

3 toughness perks = 15%

3 HP perks = 15%

It's the same

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it needs changes

[orchid hemlock]

Even though the mainstats are not the same

[tall torrent]

I don’t think the 6% health gap would make a big difference lol

[sick marsh]

ignore the wound on 3rd curio, but perks are good?

[tall torrent]

Personally I think +10% docket is great

[orchid hemlock]

Path is a gambling addict 😔

[sick marsh]

I won't lie I do most of my money making on my oggy, and I can run aurics no stress so I don't really care too much.

[orchid hemlock]

BTW path, which is your favorite Hellbore?

[umbral scaffold]

Tried recon and ds today, holy shit

[tall torrent]

I’m saving dockets to buy commissary stuff

[sick marsh]

I'm outsourcing to get +200 health to the perks since I don't have another 21 health curio for now.

[umbral scaffold]

one shotting crushers with ds one one shotting elites with recon is insane

[orchid hemlock]

If u one-shot anything with a recon I am very impressed

[umbral scaffold]

you can unarmroed horde enemies and unarmored gunners

[orchid hemlock]

Recon is the rapid fire wepaons BTW

[tall torrent]

Those aren’t elites

[umbral scaffold]

specialist?

[orchid hemlock]

U sure u arnt talking about the other lasguns?

[umbral scaffold]

nah, recon alright. Tried to do some fun builds after watching tanners marksman video

[tall torrent]

u one shot this guy with a recon?

[orchid hemlock]

NOOOOOOO not tanner 😭

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, not always tho

[sick marsh]

This is what I've been used to for my Ogryn, the only thing that really changed is toughness regen since there's an emphasis on coherency.

[tall torrent]

What difficulty did u play

[orchid hemlock]

I would replace HP with gunner and sniper resist

Like yes HP is nice on Ogryn but gunners are such a pain in the ass

[umbral scaffold]

Heresy, it's impossible in damnnation and auric tho

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

[umbral scaffold]

hovewer you can still one click shot hordes

[tall torrent]

I think heresy is still 950 health

[sick marsh]

I use a gorgonum, I don't struggle.

[umbral scaffold]

in auric and manation

[broken spade]

that still sounds impossible

[tall torrent]

For dreg gunners

[sick marsh]

honestly gunners fear me than I them.

[orchid hemlock]

Which recon are u using?

[umbral scaffold]

Gunners check their beds are night for bastion ogryn

[orchid hemlock]

Gunners and Reapers are probably the most annoying to deal with on most Ogryn builds on aurics

[sick marsh]

I get by with PBB.

tbh I think I was told keeping 1 health wasn't a bad idea.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent which helbore is your favorite BTW? 🤔

[tall torrent]

All 3 are fine

IV might be best?

[orchid hemlock]

Can u one-shot crushers with carapace?

[sick marsh]

yeah what's the damage profile like for the vet's foldable shovel, I'm far too used to the latrine shovel at this point.

[tall torrent]

With a crap load of investment yes

Needs MF

[tall torrent]

They’re meh

[sick marsh]

bit of an L I suppose...

[orchid hemlock]

Shovels are OK, it's kind hard to recommend them after getting spoiled by the Rashad and DS 😔

PS is also just better even at low investment

The nice thing about shovels tho is they are very flexible even at low investment

[crude fiber]

Max attack speed mk1 shovel is fun though

[orchid hemlock]

With the mobility intact

The problem is just is they don't deal with Ogryns or bosses well

[tall torrent]

This is my ranking of veteran’s weapons

I don’t think there’s much to argue with in this list

[orchid hemlock]

OK so I cooked this up for hellbore, is this OK? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Which

[orchid hemlock]

4

[tall torrent]

VoC is playable

But exe stance kind of works better

[orchid hemlock]

What about 5?

[tall torrent]

I think Helbore is generally better off with exe stance tbh

[orchid hemlock]

OK forget hellbore then

It hate Exe

[clever hedge]

This build would work well with plasma if still looking for DMR feel

Drop the las ammo crit and grab speed load on elite kill

[elder fiber]

Or just play helbore without exe lol, its not gonna instantly throw the game for you

[ripe totem]

I think exe just sucks major balls rn

[elder fiber]

It doesn't after the buffs but lol I still don't like it

[orchid hemlock]

I want to use infantry as well

But after playing recon soo much it just feels like a downgrade 😔

Recon pilled

[clever hedge]

Recon is hard to beat

[ripe totem]

they buffed it?

[clever hedge]

Alot

[elder fiber]

dw they're probs gonna gut recon again for a 3rd (4th?) time

[orchid hemlock]

Yes, recon is one of the best weapons on vet atm

[ripe totem]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-team-epic-poptepipic-haha-happy-laughing-gif-16048782

personally I'd say the best weapon he has is plasma

[orchid hemlock]

Plasma was always good tho

[tame lodge]

Back in August iirc

[ripe totem]

yeah

[clever hedge]

Best is debated, but recon and plas are up there

Hell ore just needs a little love

Maybe better AP

[ripe totem]

it's gonna sound heresy but I think psyker can use the recon rifle better than vet does

[orchid hemlock]

The problem with hell is that this game doesn't really reinforce a "sniping" plsystyle

[ripe totem]

but vet has the awesome plasma so it balances out

[orchid hemlock]

95% of the game is in your face

[ripe totem]

yeah

it's basically this

[clever hedge]

True just very aggressive combat

[ripe totem]

marksman is like "oh you gain stacks on a headshot, but you lose stacks if you move"

every enemy charges at you

[orchid hemlock]

Plus Vet isn't really a "range" class

[clever hedge]

Why the autogun just shreds so hard

[orchid hemlock]

It's like a hyrbird

[ripe totem]

killzone: "you get damage buffs if nobody is around you!"

that one fucking groaner: i'm about to end this mans entire career

[clever hedge]

Ya marksmen wants auto weapons to chain lots of easy headshots

Or embrace crab gaming 🦀

[tame lodge]

Nah

Forgot to mention the grace periods

[orchid hemlock]

Tanner keystone is what Marksman is 😭

[ripe totem]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[orchid hemlock]

Versus free rending

😎

[clever hedge]

Rending is meh

[tame lodge]

Rending isn't

[hollow ibex]

ur meh

[tame lodge]

Chink is though

[orchid hemlock]

Rending is

[orchid hemlock]

AYO

[rocky jacinth]

is there a trick to aiming recon las for consistent headshots

[orchid hemlock]

Ban incoming 😔

[rocky jacinth]

it feels like a complete crapshoot compared to autoguns

[ripe totem]

I like onslaught with recon

thats about it

[tame lodge]

Recons barely have recoil

[clever hedge]

Suppression immunity helps alot

[ripe totem]

brrrap a fatty and then stab

[rocky jacinth]

they have some nasty horizontal recoil

[ripe totem]

^

[hollow ibex]

it really isn't bad lol

[orchid hemlock]

What

[rocky jacinth]

vraks recoils almost straight up but recon kind of dances side to side

[hollow ibex]

do you have low stability or something?

actually is that even a thing with recon las guns lol

[orchid hemlock]

I use the crosshair mod

[hollow ibex]

i don't even know if recon las has a stabilitys tat

[orchid hemlock]

So I never care about "recoil"

[rocky jacinth]

yeah it's probably too low

[orchid hemlock]

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

i have 80 stability recon las and i have 0 issues sniping distant specialists with them

[tame lodge]

Bro was suppressed 💀

[hollow ibex]

maybe he was using mk2 ilas and thought he was using recon

[hollow ibex]

or maybe it's parkinsons or something 🤔

[rocky jacinth]

could be brain damage, with autogun i'll 1 clip a rager train easy, with recon i'm missing everything

[tame lodge]

Or maybe he was hip firing

[orchid hemlock]

Recon this recon that

How about recon your mom

[clever hedge]

Suppression immunity talent is your friend

Or the boltgun

[tame lodge]

Yeah Recons barely have recoil

We are very confused by your statement

[orchid hemlock]

Recoil

Mor like

[scarlet vessel]

starting to understand why +Surpression over +15% toughness for ally with born leader. pubbies arent gonna get clutched by that tougness replenish if they facetank everything in the first place

[rocky jacinth]

are you guys playing with controller aim assist or something

[elder fiber]

Mouse and keyboard lmao

[clever hedge]

Go for the highest fire rate mark

[orchid hemlock]

allies

🤮

[clever hedge]

Recoil be damned just hit everything in the crosshair

[tame lodge]

No
Recons barely have recoil
It's most likely that you were suppressed

[rocky jacinth]

no dingus the actual recoil

look at how it is in psykhaneum

[orchid hemlock]

Yeha recon has no recoil at all I use the crosshair mod

[rocky jacinth]

it drifts side to side unlike the autoguns, which have controllable straight up recoil

i use it too

[orchid hemlock]

Literally just a laser pointer

[rocky jacinth]

i don't know what kind of anti recoil hacks you're smoking with but it definitely recoils

[tame lodge]

No recoil

[orchid hemlock]

I struggle to find recoil

Ngl

[tame lodge]

I don't understand your statement

It barely have recoil

[rocky jacinth]

i have to keep dragging it on target left and right to keep scoring hits on the reaper

if i want to kill it

[tame lodge]

That's not recoil

[rocky jacinth]

that's

recoil

[tame lodge]

It barely has any

[orchid hemlock]

So the game has a motion trigger on guns to create the illusion of recoil

But you need to have the crosshair mods to actually see the real recoil of weapons

For exmaple when u are suppressed, you loose accuracy but your gun doesn't move

[clever hedge]

@rocky jacinth honestly just spray and spray most days with it. Horizontal recoil we just pretend is not real

[rocky jacinth]

i know how that works

i have like 600 hours clicking heads with the vraks i just don't play a lot of recon and it feels like it's just not doing work

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh everything finesse based feels fake Co pared with the vraks

Recons have shit finesse damage

Vraks is just built diff

[rocky jacinth]

of course it's also definitely down to the CRAZY las hit effects covering the target

can't see shit captain

[orchid hemlock]

I'm just saying that it could be a Mandela effect

[tame lodge]

No recoil

I'm still confused by your statement

That's at 77 stability btw

[rocky jacinth]

#veteran-class message

[tame lodge]

No idea what you're trying to say now

Still no recoil

[rocky jacinth]

i'm saying that you have a very different experience from me

[tame lodge]

Still no recoil

[tall torrent]

Nah

The problem is that recon’s value from crits is generally low

[half path]

wrong chat oops

[elder fiber]

oops

[tame lodge]

Onslaught

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

Shit the XIV doesn't even need it

[hollow ibex]

none of the recon las need onslaught

[final locust]

man

they should have a horde survival mode

if they dont have one in this latest update

[tall torrent]

It’s not happening

[final locust]

damn

wheres my hotshot lasgun

they never add the cool stuff do they 😢

[deft crystal]

tell me this aint the cutest little thang

The krieg armor on ogryn looks good

this is what we shouldve gotten

but no

[topaz hollow]

ill be honest chief it looks sorta the same

[nova heron]

Nah the art looks better

[hearty panther]

I think they both look stupid.

[nova heron]

very kriegphobic

[hearty panther]

The longer you look at the art, the more you'll notice that the dude's anatomy is fucked to shit just to strike a static pose.

But yknow, there's like red fire and smoke lighting so I guess that makes it cool or whatever.

[jovial sluice]

Hey I gotta ask something

So I planned on ordering take away via Uber eats what should I order

[rigid whale]

mcburger

[severe gale]

chicken nugget

[mild hill]

How’s the boss damage with power sword

[hearty panther]

Alright.

[mild hill]

Not worth unyielding then got it

[atomic zephyr]

mrw geforce now starts dropping packets HARD in the middle of the ammo retrieval end event with mutated horrors

dont know how i didnt die im gonna blame it on the chainsword

[tall torrent]

Higher burst if u have means of stagger

[jovial sluice]

Well decided to order domino’s BBQ chicken with rasher bacon

[midnight totem]

well

thats a first

just got kicked from an auric mutation game

sucks to be them though, they were taking lots of damage

[floral hearth]

rashuns

[tribal tangle]

Average gloriana quickplay

[jovial sluice]

My friend I don’t get it

[tribal tangle]

half the team is dead and look at the onslaught

[jovial sluice]

I gotta ask what skin is that on your revolver

[tribal tangle]

its the one you get for level 20 on revolvers

every weapon has a skin in that style when you max them now

[stoic basalt]

what would be good for the shock maul? like blessings perks and whatever the dumpstat is?

[hollow ibex]

oh man i hate this map

always a total clusterfuck

[hearty panther]

skullcrusher and whatever that blessing which gives damage against electified enemies is called

[stoic basalt]

high voltage? was hoping it was that one

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's what i run too

[jovial sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckin-madness-madness-chaos-stupid-insane-gif-13385878

[real shoal]

I run skullcrusher definitely. But the other perk for me is Falter. It's likely cope, but if it functions like Lethal Proximity, I want the extra ranged stagger at all times.

It's probably not actually important, but it makes me feel good somewhere inside that I can take Falter and Lethal Proximity and have double full-time passives. I also took that extra grenade gen and pretend to just be a grenadier.

[hearty panther]

It does not function like Lethal Proximity.

[jovial sluice]

heyo how good is the braced autogun?

[real shoal]

Every grenade, somewhere inside, I'm like, take that extra stagger and extra range. And every extra grenade has me being like, yeah, take that extra grenade.

[hearty panther]

They did buff it up by giving it extra stagger force, but it only works on the blessed weapon and isn't global.

[elder fiber]

solid mid tier since the game's launch

[hearty panther]

But also fun fact Falter does literally nothing

There isn't a single stagger breakpoint you can't hit that Falter would let you hit.

Zero use case or purpose.

You either could already stagger or you're not gonna stagger.

[real shoal]

I assumed the breakpoints were like that, but it's sad to hear that it isn't global considering you can't shoot with it equipped, so the ranged stagger part is wasted text.

Unless it's literally just throw grenade > equip weapon, and that's the only case where it's active.

[jovial sluice]

ummm i was considering using the braced autogun seeing as i use infiltrate

[hearty panther]

It would be 'active' then but grenades don't headshot.

[real shoal]

I don't think it specifies ranged headshot stagger, just ranged stagger.

[jovial sluice]

which braced autogun should i use?

[hearty panther]

"Increased stagger on enemies by 60-90%, on Weakspot hit. Additionally, increases ranged stagger strength by 30%."

[real shoal]

yeah, no conditional.

[hearty panther]

So it's two separate functions, neither of which result in anything functional.

[tame lodge]

Agripina or Graia

[hearty panther]

The 30% for ranged isn't enough to do anything, and the increase on headshots also doesn't result in anything.

It's super funny because Falter would be quite legit on a melee weapon ... and they did give it to a melee weapon ... the Shock Maul. The one that can already stagger everything.

Makes ya think.

[real shoal]

Honestly, even if it's 100% useless in practice, it got me using the shock maul, and it actually feels pretty good to use.

[jovial sluice]

ok and the least useful stat for braced autogun

[hearty panther]

Collateral.

[real shoal]

But yeah, even if it was active 100% of the time, I doubt 30% stagger is actually super impactful.

[hearty panther]

Oh, it is. For melee.

Ranged not really at all. Like being very generous stagger is a number that adds up per attack so you would in fact need 30% (made up number) less ammo to reach a stagger state against a specific enemy type

or you could just take damage and fucken kill em

30% isn't enough to make any sizeable difference when it comes to, obvious example, taking out your gun to hard stop a rager with one or two shots.

And if you're good enough to consistently land headshots to make use of that weakspot bonus it would still beg the question of why you're packing stagger.

[tall torrent]

Falter does change stagger breakpoints for shock maul

[hearty panther]

Oh it does now?

Did some psycho finally test the new Falter

[tall torrent]

Without, you cannot stagger ragers on first heavy attack

[hearty panther]

oh lmao

[tall torrent]

No, it’s been like this

[hearty panther]

so wait that's it then

[tall torrent]

It breaks rager combo on heavy weakspot hit in 1 hit

Hammerblow does the same but needs 5 stacks

Falter does this without any prep

If u don’t take falter u basically cannot fight rager groups with it at all

[hearty panther]

hammer of faith or grievous wounds also does it, i forget which but assume it was grievous

[tall torrent]

Grievous is not enough I believe

[hearty panther]

i cannot completely remember how i built it for zealot

[tall torrent]

Because it’s 13.625 stagger and you’d need at least 31 to be able to break rager combo

[hearty panther]

i know i scooped extra impact tho

[tall torrent]

You’d have to have multiple stagger bonuses

Not just grievous wounds

[hearty panther]

im definitely insane enough to have ran both

[real shoal]

I tried running all the stagger ever on zealot with the crusher. Someone convinced me that you can interrupt crusher overheads doing it. I'm definitely not into the numbers to test if it's true, but I indeed managed to do it.

[hearty panther]

you know what actually

emperors bullet, and grievous wounds together

cause shmaul and db came out at the same time

[jovial sluice]

i see which of the braced autoguns has stopping power

[hearty panther]

and i was juicing both

[jovial sluice]

but which one should i use

which one should i use

[tall torrent]

VIII

[hearty panther]

graia is the only acceptable braced dakka

[jovial sluice]

i've got exploits telling me graia and hammer saying VIII

[tall torrent]

VIII is best, IV can be fun

[supple stag]

I did test out that Bolter setup, with psword and heavy sword and eh

It's alright, shredding bosses is enjoyable, but I miss muh melee talents when I play it

[hearty panther]

graia is about maximum dakka

[covert urchin]

Is using the helbore lasgun trolling

[hollow ibex]

VIII is the best, and the most fun

not biased at all

[orchid hemlock]

the problem with the braced is that u cant aim with it

which means cleave is king

that's all im gonna say

🚶🏻‍♂️‍➡️

[hollow ibex]

and another upside of agri is being able to actually snipe specialists at range

[uncut pebble]

No, it's just hard to use.

The bayonet is handy for small numbers of chaff, but you have to swap back to your melee when the numbers replenish faster than what you can handle.

It does considerable amounts of damage in a short span of time when you get weight of fire going.

Especially with crits.

[karmic moat]

hehe Helbore go Stab

[lucid heart]

does regular corruption resist work on grimoire corruption?

[wicked epoch]

holy shit 329k boss damage

bolter my beloved

[frank basin]

boltgun

such overused

[wicked epoch]

dont care

[tame lodge]

Yes

[frank basin]

oh did bleed getting good now?

feel old the bleed was bad

[wicked epoch]

bleed works for me

besides i built it for boss killing

[frank basin]

some guy said 556 bleed damage on boss

[wicked epoch]

boss killing and big bastard hunting

rarely fire into crowds i do

fire into the average walmart customer i do

[jovial sluice]

…..I’m not sure if anyone agrees with this statement but I think that the infantry autogun needs a recoil buff…..

[frank basin]

if you using vrak, is very kick like horses

shoot brust firing easier control recoil

[green willow]

using the tan infantry autogun]

what blessings do i put

[frank basin]

30 round or 50 round?

basic infantry blessinng be dumdum, and death spitter/fire frenzy.

[green willow]

naturally

is punishing salvo and sustained fire good however

[frank basin]

i don't what tan gun, as far i know there two 50 rounds gun and 30 rounds gun

one 50 round fast rpm and other slower.

which is vrak fast rpm

[jovial sluice]

Yep got it

Am using vraks

[frank basin]

yeah vrak kick like horse

[tribal tangle]

What are good blessings for boltpistol?

[frank basin]

lethal proximity when you pair with shredder grenade.

Surgical & deadly accurate

[tribal tangle]

ok ty

[jovial sluice]

The vraks needs a recoil buff or at least add functions to the guns that allow for burst fire, single shot or full auto

Wait is that even a thing in the 40k verse

[tribal tangle]

they wont add select fire, they gotta make 3 different guns instead

[frank basin]

each gun has own weaknesses and flaws

trade off, advantages

[jovial sluice]

A man can dream

[frank basin]

vigilant autogun, single shot/burst fire

infantry pure auto

[earnest bone]

[green willow]

is it worth taking

[jovial sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[green willow]

y not

[minor kettle]

What perks are the best on vraks infantry autogun do you guys think

[full nacelle]

dumdum + deathspitter

stripped down is fun if you pair it with duck and dive on the talent tree

[nocturne pendant]

I’ve got a question as a veteran main

Melee related

[minor kettle]

Thank you but I want to know what perks are the best not blessings!

[full nacelle]

oh sorry flak/maniac

[minor kettle]

Cool thank you!

[full nacelle]

the classic

np!

[minor kettle]

Have a nice day!

[full nacelle]

likewise frien

[nocturne pendant]

I’ve been using the chain sword because of its rev mechanic, but idk if its truly for me, as i feel it lacks area dmg

Again idk if its just a perception thing

Idk what each weapon behaves like

[real shoal]

They're generally fine, but aren't like great horde clear.

[full nacelle]

I would highly suggest checking out the pinned guide for weapon overviews

[nocturne pendant]

Specially in auric i felt ot

I really felt it

[lucid heart]

awesome ty

[real shoal]

Heavy sword's thing is kinda known as horde clear, but rashad is pretty good for it, honestly chainswords aren't bad at it. I like bleed/crit dagger, but I wouldn't specifically recommend it to someone looking for strong horde clear.

[lucid heart]

chainsword is a great all rounder, if you think it's lacking cleave damage make sure you're running rampage on it

also idk if its true or not but i heard it has no cleave falloff on crit? i havent tested it

[real shoal]

from a defensive standpoint, dueling sword with agile can keep you safe in hordes, but it isn't really a horde killer.

[frank basin]

yup

[warm harbor]

There’s a small icon near the damage that shows it’s type
I use chainsword all the time
Check the “Mark” to see if you have the type that works for you
If you want a hordes cleaner tho, I shall suggest another type of sword

Or the chainaxe v2

[nocturne pendant]

Yea i have one from more than a year ago

I think its the mark 4

[warm harbor]

Chainsword kinda works as a horde cleaner but requires a lot of movement to circle it
Another good choice is the Devil Claw, it’s parry ability is great imo
I’m trying it recently and it SHREDS hordes with a well timed parry
Hell I 1v1 ogryns and maulers

[nocturne pendant]

my beloved

[warm harbor]

Chainsword forever

[nocturne pendant]

I just like it because it lets me get away with tickling the daemonhost tbh

I know i shouldn’t and im a bad teammate

[warm harbor]

Yeah against the daemon host chain weapons are elite

[nocturne pendant]

But its just an impulse

[warm harbor]

I feel you
I have the Lucious and always want to go Poke

[nocturne pendant]

It lets me get away with my dumb decisions

That’s why its so hard to swap and try the others

[warm harbor]

Yeah
I’m doing it for Hestia’s points

[nocturne pendant]

Rn i think I’ll try the power sword

[warm harbor]

Alright
I maxed that one as well

Couple of things to know

Uncharged it’s kinda shit so make sure you always have time to charge it up

[nocturne pendant]

(Haven’t even equipped it once btw dunno what to expect)

[warm harbor]

Once charged you can land up to 3 hits

I suggest you go for heavies

Shreds everything

[nocturne pendant]

Is the damage comparable to the chain?

[warm harbor]

But needs mastery

[nocturne pendant]

I mean single target

[hollow ibex]

no

[warm harbor]

It’s more immediate, and very high, but not as much as a charged, heavy Chainsword

[hollow ibex]

way higher damage in both single targets and hordes

[nocturne pendant]

Damn

[hollow ibex]

so long as it's charged, of course

[nocturne pendant]

•_•

[tame lodge]

Mk6 charged Push Attack is pretty strong against weakspots

[hollow ibex]

nah higher damage than chainsword

in single targets

so long as you use mk6

[nocturne pendant]

Oh ok

[warm harbor]

Uncharged Power Sword < Uncharged Chainsword

[nocturne pendant]

What is the mk6 combo like?

[hollow ibex]

uncharged PS is pathetic, it's like hitting things with a wet noodle

[warm harbor]

Charged power sword is a great hordes cleaner
Charged Chainsword is a single target killer

[warm harbor]

Don’t really remember tbf

[hollow ibex]

hordes: light attack spam
big bois: PA -> light attack

[warm harbor]

Two faces of the same coin

[hollow ibex]

the PA + light attack combo will kill crushers, if you have it properly built

[nocturne pendant]

Man i wish the rev light could hit area

And the heavy remained as is

[hollow ibex]

so yeah, PS damage eclipses chainsword even at single targets

[nocturne pendant]

But gotta remember to charge it

What about blessings?

[hollow ibex]

yeah PS is a constant cycle of being a god and then suddenly being in the dumps when your charge runs out

[warm harbor]

Not my area I only recently started looking at them

[hollow ibex]

brumentum or sunderer + power cycle 4

[nocturne pendant]

What pairs the best with it (specially if you want it to save you from bad decisions)

Aka jumping in blind while screaming like a maniac

[hollow ibex]

PS goes well with anything

[nocturne pendant]

Nonono

[hollow ibex]

but if you need a backup weapon with quick reaction, maybe revolver or laspistol

[nocturne pendant]

As in secondary buffs

Perks

[hollow ibex]

oh elite/maniac

[nocturne pendant]

For my chain i have flak and b efficiency for example

(Yes im addicted to smiting daemonhosts)

Oh also what about its defensive capabilities?

Does it have a parry or some other stats?

[hollow ibex]

well the dodge is god awful

you'll still need to use it though

[arctic rampart]

@nocturne pendant in my opinion rashad combat axe or power sword is the best horde clear option for veteran. which chain sword did you try? personally I found I didn't really like them either, but others use them and like them so it can be made to work. been seeing more axes in general. I'm using a dueling sword with mostly light attacks for horde clear lately. got addicted to the movement speed and utility of heavy jabs.

[hollow ibex]

the block on the mk6 has built-in block efficiency

so the block is actually quite good

[nocturne pendant]

Not try

[warm harbor]

I wish they left dueling sword for Psyker only
They don’t really vibe with the Veteran

[nocturne pendant]

Main the cadia MK IV

[hollow ibex]

yeah agreed

[nocturne pendant]

75 80 79 79 67

Blood letter and blood thirsty

With extra flak

(From before the update, i should change it)

And 20% block efficiency

[arctic rampart]

I'm having a lot of fun with dueling sword + plasma on middle keystone build, feels powerful. I put 10% horde clear on it and it feels just fine. lots of dodging makes the horde a breeze. you can handle packs of elites even as long as you take uncanny strike and voice of command

[nocturne pendant]

Oh i also main plasma

78 69 78 80 75

Rising heat gets hot

25% flak and carapace

[arctic rampart]

plasma + power sword is a tried and true combo so definitely try that at some point. kind of feels like playing ogryn with how slow you are though

[nocturne pendant]

(Again idk why flak)

[arctic rampart]

you want 25% flak and 10% elites as a baseline

[tame lodge]

While I appreciate the Khornate dedication
Those blessings really hurt the Chainsword

[nocturne pendant]

Really?

Huh

[arctic rampart]

you'll mostly 1 shot maniacs, as long as you got heat in your gun (etc. other things like precision strikes). but if you have trouble switch 10% elites to 25% maniac if you need to depending on spec

[nocturne pendant]

Yea i don’t struggle with maniacs

[arctic rampart]

the guide is really strong on the sticky, make sure to download it and browse it. you can search after it downloads

[nocturne pendant]

Also my build is weird af

Really tailored to my weirdass playstyle

I use smoke grenades that’s all you need to know 💀

[arctic rampart]

there's nothing wrong with smoke grenades tbh

[nocturne pendant]

Weird part? They let me get away with more bs

[arctic rampart]

the 10% melee damage under it is also really good

[nocturne pendant]

Specially when running into a heavy group of enemies

[arctic rampart]

I just personally can't give up damage nades lul. I used to swear by kraks but now I like filthy shredders

[nocturne pendant]

I used to like shredders a year ago

Then i realized shooting the plasma like a manic is all you need

[tame lodge]

You're dedicating a lot towards the Revved attack
Which isn't recommended, at least not on the mk4

[nocturne pendant]

Oh really?

[arctic rampart]

Mobility

Measure of Movement Speed, Sprint Speed, and Dodge distance bonus while the weapon is active.

    Sprint Speed: [-0.45 - 0.45]
    Dodge Distance: [0.95 - 1.05]
    Dodge Limit: [3 - 5]

``` shit that weapon is pretty slow.  why ever run that instead of a rashad axe?  I think its the same speed

[nocturne pendant]

Which one?

[arctic rampart]

    Sprint Speed: [-0.45 - 0.45]
    Dodge Distance: [0.95 - 1.05]
    Dodge Limit: [3 - 5]
``` yeah rashad is the same as chain sword.

[tame lodge]

Well bloodletter has its uses
Bloodthirsty not so much
So if you want to keep bloodletter you could pair with Rampage

[arctic rampart]

bloodletter might be a lot better now with so many nurgles

[rigid schooner]

so what weapons are you guys taking for the current slug infestations?

[hollow ibex]

bolter + krak will get you sorted

[tame lodge]

Helby 4

[arctic rampart]

Rending Strikes: Flak
Bring it Down!
Desperado
Trench Fighter Drill
Melee DMG Boost ``` important talents for chain sword from guide

rampage + shred or wrath+shred seem to be recommended traits

[rigid schooner]

it's weird, i never was super impressed with the damage kraks do to bosses

[hollow ibex]

if you take tinkerer, it makes a big difference

and if you have 3 of them

• red stimm

[tame lodge]

And whatever melee I have
I'm kinda just playing whatever melee no thoughts behind the choice

[hollow ibex]

[nocturne pendant]

EXACTLY

[nocturne pendant]

Plasma

And call it a day

[hollow ibex]

bolter actually has way higher dps against bosses

than plasma

[arctic rampart]

I feel like bolter introduces annoyance with standard gunners, and makes you more stationary when trying to ads ranged targets. but yeah magdumping is amazing. I usually bolter on my zealot so for my vet I choose plasma. but can't be bothered to play zealot lately, it makes me play like an idiot.

[nocturne pendant]

Yea but ammon’t

Btw another question

Easiest way to complete killsvots duty uniform penance?

I thought revolver and a short mission

[arctic rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1b2bj1e/whats_the_fastest_way_to_get_killshots_duty/

[jovial sluice]

is there a mutli purpose melee weapon?

[arctic rampart]

knife, dueling sword

power sword always

[tame lodge]

Mk6 psword

Fold shovel?
I don't remember

[nocturne pendant]

Chain

In my opinion

[jovial sluice]

thats horde only i said mutli purpose

[earnest bone]

shovels, rashad mk3, both knifes, power swords, chainaxes

[rigid schooner]

honestly i rarely have ammo problems with boltuh

[nocturne pendant]

Horde use the normal mode, single rev it and heavy attack

Takes out most enemies from one swing

[earnest bone]

heavy rev is honestly garbage as at max difficulty you are facing 5-6+ crushers or bulwarks or whatever

the only one that can pull it of is evis MK15 due to it's insane native rev damage

[arctic rampart]

the chain sword I always had problems with packs of elites compared to other weapons getting stuck with the activate. I've heard ebtter players than me can cancel it out or make it work though

[nocturne pendant]

Why in tf would you use mele in that scenario?

[earnest bone]

so you can get oneshot on almost all targets

[nocturne pendant]

That’s literally a plasma scenario

[earnest bone]

ds2-4-5 and knife can easily deal with that

[nocturne pendant]

Just shoot twice with the plasma 😂

[arctic rampart]

ds4 stabby can do it a little easier but its not safe. its WAY more mobile though so you can make distance. I would definitely prefer plasma or nades.

[earnest bone]

plasma is too boring for me

🥔

[arctic rampart]

the zealot room is one down, sir

this is a wendys

[earnest bone]

[nocturne pendant]

What stats for power sword btw?

I got an 80 in everything but cleave

There i got 60

[rigid schooner]

i feel like that's more a case of high difficulties being bogus than the chainsord being inadequate

[earnest bone]

you are kinda right about that

[tribal tangle]

why don't people listen?

[earnest bone]

they are enforcing different approach

[earnest bone]

this reminded me of my game vs 8+ snipers solo in train mission

god bless i was running stealth at that time

ez res of 3 people in one stealth

[nocturne pendant]

Just dodge and voice of the emperor into cover

[arctic rampart]

how do you get teammates that dont rage quit when they go down?

[tribal tangle]

Whats even worse is when i got to the top, i killed 4-5 bulwarks, probably 10 ragers, just an onslaught of shit

then got obliterated by gunners

[rigid schooner]

i feel like this is a good example of how the super high difficulties are just an arms race of players throwing parkour bullshit at a problem, and the game throwing two dozen specials at you every ten seconds

[nocturne pendant]

So like is that good?

Or bad

[arctic rampart]

I believe that's meta to drop cleave on PS

[nocturne pendant]

Idk about power sword stats

[earnest bone]

you can dump cleae damage or mobility

[tribal tangle]

@arctic rampart they do, they didnt quit because i'd already clutched once

[earnest bone]

dumping cleave damage is like

3% damage loss on cleave

[tribal tangle]

i wouldve had it again but i made a mistake

[nocturne pendant]

Oh ok so it’s a good one

[earnest bone]

and with PS damage its not an issue

[nocturne pendant]

Then its a really good one

[arctic rampart]

you take power cycler & brutal momentum and then never worry about cleave again. if you suck at hitting heads get sunderer instead of BM though.

[earnest bone]

or slaughterer

i like it

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-hope-dangerous-gif-27052852

[tribal tangle]

it what i was figuring after getting them up the first time

i didnt expect to live as long as i did

[nocturne pendant]

Btw its cleaving damage not targets

It has 2 cleave

Member

[earnest bone]

brutal momentum allows for 100% cleave damage as long as you hits heads

[nocturne pendant]

Oh ok

[earnest bone]

with ps6 sword and light energized attacks its easy

they are fully horizontal

[jovial sluice]

combat knife it is

[real shoal]

Chainaxe can do crusher one-shots too. You just still run into the problem of having to let it brrr.

[arctic rampart]

With BM that becomes 690->690->690->690->345->172.5->86.25->0```

[earnest bone]

if you put thrust on it, but im not a fan of that

[real shoal]

No, bloodletter + I'd have to check.

Rev + bleed ends up within a few hp of one-shot without any melee investment.

[earnest bone]

bloodletters it the bleed blessing, you probably mean bloodthirsty

[nocturne pendant]

Exactly

[real shoal]

Yes

bleed blessing

I don't know if chainsword can do it, but chainaxe definitely does.

[nocturne pendant]

6/10 times you will have a stunner fuse head

I mean psycher

[earnest bone]

i havent used a bloodletter chainaxe since november 2023

[real shoal]

Bloodletter+Thunderous

It's pretty close to not killing it, so I'd have to see exactly what I have invested in the skill tree, but it does do it.

[nocturne pendant]

So for ps what blessings?

[arctic rampart]

power cycler + brutal momentum.

[nocturne pendant]

And what would that do against tougher enemies?

[real shoal]

Power Cycler gives more empowered attacks.

[arctic rampart]

that combo is good against tougher enemies because it penetrates their armor and cleaves through to other ones around them (e.g. mixed horde). its universally good setting

[rigid schooner]

doesn't energizing on power sword give you infinite cleave?

[real shoal]

Brutal Momentum isn't strictly for the 1v1 carapace damage, but it's to make the empowered attack absolutely demolish mixed horde.

[arctic rampart]

With BM that becomes 690->690->690->690->345->172.5->86.25->0```

test it out spawn shitloads of hordes and see how much faster it is with BM

with BM the top damage spreads to ~4 more targets and damages the later ones more too

[nocturne pendant]

And for the ps what perks are best?

[jovial sluice]

so combat knife blessings i should use?

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Riposte

Uncanny Precognition

[frank basin]

is carapace/flak, maniac

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Mercy Killer (needs serrated)

[arctic rampart]

I have flak & maniac on my PS. I use ranged to deal with crusher groups

[jovial sluice]

what i'm using rn

[arctic rampart]

T.dmg (Maniac / Flak)
Power Cycler
Brutal Momentum / Sunder    T.dmg (Elite)
T.dmg (Maniac)
Power Cycler
Brutal Momentum / Sunder 
``` from the guide

Superiority Complex
Bring it Down!
Desperado
Melee DMG Boost ``` important talents for PS

[tame lodge]

Then there's the forbidden Flesh Tearer Mercy Killer for knife
I personally do not recommend

[hollow ibex]

not horrible so long as you don't magdump all the time

it's workable

[arctic rampart]

I'd really strongly recommend weapon specialist with PS too, that dodge distance and attack speed feels needed

[real shoal]

Yknow, I run Flesh Tearer and Uncanny, and it feels great. I can see why you'd run Mercy Killer instead of uncanny.

I remember seeing people try to run Flesh Tearer+Lacerate when I started. Those never worked out, lol.

[nocturne pendant]

Aw

😔

[rigid schooner]

honestly bolter is just a DMR with an optional "delete room" fire mode

[arctic rampart]

bolter might be meta with all theese fucking nurgles everywhere

[rigid schooner]

as opposed to inf lasguns where you can't force it's ammo through it at a fast enough pace to actually keep up

seriously, i feel like i could tape down an autofire on it, go to the bathroom, and still have most of my ammo

and the crusher swarm would still be alive

[jovial sluice]

how the hell do y'all even use a knife without ya wrist killing ya

[rigid schooner]

a good gaming chair

[jovial sluice]

dont give me that nonsense

[grand perch]

a balanced diet

[rigid schooner]

varied exercise

[nocturne pendant]

Just stried the mk 6

Its not for me

[frank basin]

afraid getting carpal tunnel?

[jovial sluice]

yeah i am

[frank basin]

don't play too much with it

just play few round and break

there's certian limitation of human body can handle

[tribal tangle]

its not that much clickier than a lot of other weapons imo

i do aloooot of chained heavy kills while running

that saves a lot

[frank basin]

do combo like spam light attack then special attack, then heavies; repeat

[nocturne pendant]

[insert weakness of the flesh copypasta here]

[tribal tangle]

all you need is punch>light>pba>heavy

loop

i do heavy>punch>light>pba on a lot of things

that kills very often

especially with uncanny

[stoic thorn]

What's the dump stat on the bolter?

[tribal tangle]

Prob mobility, most things if they have mobility thatll be it

[jovial sluice]

ooooo find something that might help

just keep swining mod

[uncut pebble]

There's also FullAuto, which is the same thing, but for your gun.

Makes ilas and laspistol less annoying to use.

[frank basin]

it is mobility

[brave pond]

Not sure how firing lasguns on semi auto can be annoying but to each their own I suppose

[frank basin]

carpal tunnel

that's what people don't want it

not spamming won't be problem

full auto all i do keep hitting an enemy until they are dead

[brave pond]

You don’t lubricate your joints?

[jovial sluice]

none of us here are diddy

far as i'm sure

[frank basin]

[brave pond]

Well I was more going Skits but sure

Ah right

Of course the gif function would not work

[frank basin]

no you must be have red name

to have media post

[brave pond]

Fair enough.

Me living like a true member of the imperium and not modding my game just as the Ommnisiah wills (I just play the game through my Xbox account so I can’t mod even if I want to on PC)

[frank basin]

[brave pond]

Yes but it’s more funny that I can fit 73+ rounds into my braces Autogun

Using a 20 round box mag

[frank basin]

i see the mag on the brace autogun has quad stack

so like 40 round something

[brave pond]

I’d have to look at it again

I don’t usually use the braced, only touched it recently with mastery.

[frank basin]

here's the ogryn sized laspistol

[brave pond]

So basically just a space marine las pistol

[frank basin]

i guess

[midnight mortar]

Ogryn hands are larger than Space Marines, but similar idea yeah.

[brave pond]

If…they ever used las weapons outside of the Las cannon and Las Fusil.

[brave pond]

What have you done to my Recon Las

[frank basin]

i use Pewpew mod that replace the vfx and sfx turn into autogun

[brave pond]

[frank basin]

it shoot bullet now

i also love this i made, carbine revolver

[brave pond]

Considering the size of the round and that barrel that is one thick as hell barrel

You could legally class that as a mace.

[frank basin]

i even gave boltgun longer barrel with stock too

😋

[brave pond]

So you made a budget stalker Bolter

[frank basin]

i guess

it has reflexes sight only

[brave pond]

Well I mean it is a budget stalker Bolter for a reason

Doubt you’d find a proper stalker bolter in an Underhive

[frank basin]

botler is spacemarine sized, i can't hold that

love the shotgun

[brave pond]

That’s all I can say of this

[frank basin]

here's the bonus of my ogryn weapon

[brave pond]

Snub nosed stubber

[frank basin]

true

[brave pond]

So Ogryn can swing it around faster

[frank basin]

i does

this weapon on my psyker; vraks autogun

i mag dump using scrier gaze

[brave pond]

I will be honest I don’t get the appeal of the Shredder Auto pistol

[frank basin]

i turn shredder auotpistol into STG-44

last time trying create the Thompson

i decide go stg-44

or stg-22

[brave pond]

Like, I tend to just default to either the Standard Autogun or the braced when it comes to full auto use just because…

I dunno the blessings don’t appeal to me on the Shredder

[uncut pebble]

The autopistol is also just fucking awful.

[frank basin]

performning not well yes

they nerf from 10% strength of pinning fire to 5%

same as boltgun pinning fire blessing

[uncut pebble]

It does very little damage. If you were to compare it to laspistol, it would be blown out of the water in every category.

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun doesn't even need pinning fire anymore, either. Shattering impact and puncture let you pull off some silly bps.

2tap any non mauler or ogryn elite from any distance.

I believe with certain builds you can even get crusher 2taps.

[brave pond]

The other issue is most of the other blessings with it can be found on the Braced or the Standard Autoguns. Sure they have lower mobility but you also get more damage, Ammo and stability.

I think they really need to overhaul it maybe. Because it just feels like a weaker version of the Autoguns. Maybe go more along with mobility based blessings, like ones built around dodges rather than “Mag dump to earn blessing” number 4

[uncut pebble]

Well. Yeah.

But it also just needs a full stat tune-up.

It does very little damage and its adms are terrible.

So your very little damage becomes even less.

[dry cloak]

i would really like a pistol thats just a normal pistol

not bolt not las

[jovial sluice]

whats a PA?

[tribal tangle]

push attack?

[brave pond]

@uncut pebble pretty much yea. Like its whole gimmick is being a Mobile fast firing pistol with low damage. However none of its blessing really help outside of Pinning Fire which got nerfed. So they want you to mag dump with most of the blessings for the gun but make its DPS pretty low to begin with, then it’s armor pen values are even worse

And usually you’re using your gun against Specials and elites, not on hordes realistically

So you’re essentially gimping your ability to deal with specials when you use the shredder and your melee is already going to be better suited for hordes to begin with

[white minnow]

for a melee playstyle, AP does have a niche in being a stagger tool with faster swap speeds than brautos (though in practice it doesn't really matter too much unless you're really trying to swap a lot), but yeah it suffers a bit too much in the damage compartment and hasn't been looked at for some time

[brave pond]

That’s what I’m saying, you’re literally better off with the Autoguns because their swap speeds are only a little less, but have higher stagger potential and better damage and armor pen

Hell the braced Autogun is purpose built with melee builds in mind.

[white minnow]

the shredder autopistol has notably more stagger than the brautos in my memory

well, only with right-click iirc

i don't think hipfire has that much stagger but I think bracing makes the stagger much better on APs?

[jovial sluice]

.....sadens me to say this but dont like knife

[brave pond]

Which version of the knife

[jovial sluice]

mk6

[brave pond]

That’s the one with only Stab Heavies right?

[austere mica]

No

[brave pond]

Oh that’s the one with the two side slashes and the hammer blow?

I mean I can understand people not liking that one, me personally I love it

Mostly because funny bleed mercy kill build for it

[uncut pebble]

Your breakpoints on both models are the same.

Mk3 is objectively better because you can actually fight bulwarks without wanting to die.

When they swing, PA goes into the left heavy which goes into the stab light.

Also for the sole fact that aiming for heads with mk3 is significantly easier than mk6.

[frank basin]

my zealot using mk6 for horde

it run the book

[faint beacon]

You tend to want to use Mk6 though with Veteran just cause its overall easier

everyone else Mk3

(Psyker, Zealot)

[uncut pebble]

Idk man, I run mk3 exclusively.

I am the true bulwark racist.

I must kill them with the utmost efficiency.

[faint beacon]

Mk6 is really good if you're doing Uncanny + MK + Serrated Blade Talent

[uncut pebble]

Again, the bps on knives are exactly the same.

[frank basin]

we talking about swing pattern

right?

[uncut pebble]

I use the mk3 with the same blessings and serrated blade.

[brave pond]

I mean, I just like using the mk6 because it’s better with hordes and offers sweeping assassin strikes.

[uncut pebble]

It's a "pick your poison" argument. I'm just saying the mk3 has a far easier time at killing bulwarks than the mk6 does.

[frank basin]

have i remember plasma charge attack go through bulwark shield?

[brave pond]

Laughs in rending attacks on my gun so I just light them up like a Christmas tree

[uncut pebble]

Ngl, rending strikes is actually kinda shit.

I'd much rather have bring it down on my build, if I had to choose.

[brave pond]

I think that got nerfed. It just does an instant stagger knockdown now if I recall.

[brave pond]

Rending ignores Monsterous enemy defenses if I recall, or at least feels like it.

[uncut pebble]

You don't know how rending works.

Not bashing you. That's just not how it works.

[frank basin]

rending increase damage against armor target

[uncut pebble]

Every weapon has an ADM for maniac, unyielding, carapace, and flak damage.

[faint beacon]

Rending is alright on a handful of weapons

[frank basin]

the armor damage modifier

[faint beacon]

keep in mind

Handful

not all

[uncut pebble]

This modifies your outgoing damage to those types of armor. If your attack did 100 damage, and your carapace adm is .25, you would only deal 25 damage.

[faint beacon]

A good example could be the Vigilant Auto's

[brave pond]

I dunno, feels like I kill monstrous enemies faster with rending on my Boltgun than other bonuses

[faint beacon]

they heavily benefit from being able to bypass carapace for Finesse damage

[uncut pebble]

Rending strikes adds a flat .1 to your adms across all weapons.

So your .25 carapace adm becomes .35.

[frank basin]

i've tested, plasma weapon go through their shield (either light attack or charge attack), except boltgun (full auto stagger the bulwark).

[uncut pebble]

I'm not too sure on the overflow math, though.

There's some funny math for anything that goes over 100%.

So like, with rending strikes, your ADM against infested and unarmored is 110%.

[faint beacon]

Maniac/Flak/Carapace

are the big 3 that heavily get effected by rending

Unyielding I believe does also?

iirc

[brave pond]

That’s fair

[faint beacon]

not as massive

[uncut pebble]

Yes but most weapons have good unyielding adms.

Shock mauls don't.

I can't recall anything else that doesn't.

Maybe autopistol?

[faint beacon]

Shovels also but not as Severe as Shauls

[frank basin]

i witness uncharge power sword can stagger the bulwark by hitting shield?

[uncut pebble]

I do know that there's like only one weapon type with a terrible maniac adm.

And thats vigilants.

[faint beacon]

Why they benefit a shit ton from Rending Strikes as well

[uncut pebble]

Mfw 13 headshots doesn't kill a dreg rager.

[faint beacon]

plus they drop crushers REALLY quickly with it

[faint beacon]

2-3 Agri IX bursts on a rager to drop it

4-6 rounds to the head

[uncut pebble]

That's not too bad.

The semi auto takes like 13 bullets though.

Very sad.

[faint beacon]

Thats with Deadly Accurate + Headhunter

and Rending Strikes

I dont run maniac on my VA's

so technically

it could hit even harder

[brave pond]

I dunno but hear me out

Maybe

[faint beacon]

Im usually doing Unarmored/Flak cause I care more about instantly dropping gunners

[brave pond]

Ragers might just have too much HP to be justified?

[faint beacon]

They're fine

the issue is they spawn in, in massive packs

and if they block break you, you're fucked

[white minnow]

mostly the fact that they buffed dreg rager's attack speed, which implicitly affects their movespeed during their combos

and it's rather that ragers tend to get dropped before reaching you that they decided to buff their numbers

[brave pond]

Still, the fact they can take multiple headshots from most weapons is a bit much

[white minnow]

should've buffed their HP instead of spawn numbers, but it is what it is

they are a melee bruiser unit so it makes sense

[faint beacon]

Buffing HP

no

I think they should just tweak their Stamina Depletion values

[white minnow]

they also should still take 0.85x ranged damage to the head if that hasn't been removed

[faint beacon]

seeing ragers in VT you literally just

block

shocking

[white minnow]

well it's either numbers or health

the thing is that a lot of ranged weapons will just delete them very quickly

[faint beacon]

They just need to nerf the stamina drain plus it'll remind people

Blocking is a Feature!

[white minnow]

(and revert the attack speed buff that dreg ragers got)

or tune it down at least

[odd sparrow]

im just happy they made their attacks dodgeable

[brave pond]

Dreg ragers got an attack speed buff?

[white minnow]

yeah, they used to attack at the same rate as scab ragers

if you have the creature spawner mod and spawn a scab rager and dreg rager side-by-side, you'll notice that scab ragers are depressingly slow compared to dreg ragers

[frank basin]

faster than scab rager

[brave pond]

I mean I never really noticed that considering how they spawn in packs of 10 or 15 now.

[frank basin]

before buff their atttack speed same as scab rager

[brave pond]

So they usually just bum rush and tore you apart anyway.

[frank basin]

dreg rager are dangerous in numbers due of fast attack speed, and you can't solo against mutiple dreg rager with weapon low mobility, or short ranged melee; instead drop them with grenade shredder, guns, dueling swords, combataxe, what ever melee that long enough reach on and mobilize (i forgot devil claw parry can do multiple rager)

[brave pond]

Also didn’t maulers originally have full Carapace armor?

[frank basin]

just the head

their body is entirely flak

[brave pond]

Well yea I see that

[white minnow]

unless that was really early into the game, they had flak from when i played in january after the game released

[brave pond]

But I could have sworn it used to be full carapace at some point.

Maybe I’m just going crazy

[white minnow]

possibly

[elder fiber]

No they were never cara

[dry cloak]

gonna be testing ,,ranged,, zealot build i came up with

[jovial sluice]

guess i wont be a CC guy with mk6 combat knife

[dry cloak]

haymaker

[green willow]

how much damage does the agrapina's slugs do compared to a revolver

[regal belfry]

which recon lasgun mark do you recommend

[green willow]

blue one

[brave pond]

I usually go with the either Green or Tan

Green and tan don’t reduce your damage and pen nearly as hard as the blue does

Green for fire rate, tan for raw damage

Blue is better for stagger and suppression builds

[regal belfry]

i wanted to kill and not supress

[brave pond]

Then you go Green if you want a fast RoF, or Tan if you want higher raw damage with ok pen on Flak

[regal belfry]

green has likely better ignate synergy

[brave pond]

More than likely

I mostly use the Recon for my support gunner set up, mostly to help restore toughness via Covering Fire and a few other traits that boost toughness regen for Allies

[jovial sluice]

hey i have a question mercy killer does that apply to teammates as well?

that +60% weakspot damage on enemies with bleed stacks would teammates also get that +60% weak spot damage increase?

[merry coral]

I love ppl not using their ammo crates despite having the team spamming I need ammo

[brave pond]

No that only applies to your melee hits.

If that applied to your team mates it would be one of the most busted blessings in the whole game, simply because of vets using Frags.

[junior grail]

How viable is a non-Infernus Recon build?

[junior grail]

I remember back when frags apply bleed to a target on hit before exploding, thus applying two stacks

[brave pond]

Same here.

[earnest bone]

infernus is there for boss damage and its great to light up bulwarks

[junior grail]

It applies with their shields up? I don't quite remember, been a while

[earnest bone]

no, but you can shoot the leg or whatever is in the open

at the sides or if you are slightly above - in the head

and from around 70% HP they will die from fire dot

or 80+% HP if you use stuff like "bring em down"

[brave pond]

I usually just bait the swing and shoot them then

[earnest bone]

that works if they are in melee

[jovial sluice]

well think i'm starting to come around at seeing how good the combat knife is

[merry coral]

Good

[jovial sluice]

but how do those zealots make horde clearing look so easy with combat knife

[merry coral]

Lot of bleeds

but tbf a melee vet build can clear hordes very fast with the knife too

Just have to refresh weapon specialist

[thick kestrel]

lots of bleeds and it's worth noting that Zealot's melee nodes differ quite a bit from Veterans.

Veteran kind of leans into finesse and attack speed on most of their melee nodes, while Zealots have significantly more raw damage points they can take which tends to scale differently and make the different between 1 and 2 hit kills a lot of the time.

Purge the Unclean for example is a flat 20% boost against infested and unyeilding which makes a pretty big difference fighting pox walker hordes... desparation and sustained assault can net another 20% damage each.

Veteran is by no means "bad" in melee but it leans into different things to boost your damage output which can make certain weapons feel or work differently to other classes.

we're arguable closer to Psyker in melee vibe than Zealot (more focus around crits and weakpoint strikes)

the big one I find feels different between Zealots and Veterans is the heavy sword... it works perfectly fine on a Vet but Zealots can get MUCH more out of them.

on the flipside, Veterans seem to gel really nicely with the dueling swords... unsure how well they scale on Zealots in comparison

[earnest bone]

what people are doing at lvl500

thats kinda overkill

[merry coral]

It really is

[split grove]

what are veterans monstro dmg options

ds4, infernus recon, vraks, boltor?

[dire olive]

Power sword mkVI too

Blue chainaxe if you're feeling spicy

[split grove]

i just wanna delete these monstros asap

[dire olive]

Also I would probably choose infernus laspistol over the recon personally it just does such good weakpoint damage

[split grove]

i did hear a lot of people say that

but idk what infernus laspistol has over recon

[dire olive]

(weakpoint damage)

And crit damage

Finesse

And mobility I guess can be nice when kiting the big boys

[verbal burrow]

They have bonus crit chance when meleeing bleeding enemies

Also Zealot has a lot of ways to increase melee damage against groups of enemies based on the number of targets hit

[dire olive]

They also don't actually horde clear that well

[south shadow]

Where I am atm (I'm psyker, I suck btw) it feels vet horde clear, shotgun. Vet special clear, shotgun. ><

[verbal burrow]

Tbh we are more weak spot hitty than anyone else

[lusty sapphire]

To be fair we can get about the same result with some tweaks such as serrated node/ desperado/ attack speed and then on knife you get mercy killer

[thick kestrel]

indeed, I kind of generalised that under "finesse" as that tends to generally cover weakpoint damage and crit nonsense.