veteran-class

[stoic thorn]

Having both you heretic and mutant executed

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun unfortunately doesn’t have a dump stat and wants a very specific distribution which makes it the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game

[analog yacht]

btw is it confirmed that plasma has no firing delay aside from charge time?

[earnest bone]

i went and dumped charge rate

feels good enough

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-dont-wanna-like-exert-energy-tyler-oakley-dont-want-to-do-anything-lazy-effort-gif-20395033

[tall torrent]

U could definitely play with one with low charge rate, I tried it and the pre-fire delay felt horrible

[tall torrent]

What other delay would be there

U mean like ogryn stubbers’ open-bolt delay thing?

Don’t believe that applies to anything outside of ogryn weapons

Plasma just has a charge-up pre-fire delay

[analog yacht]

Like if plasma has, for example, a 250ms delay after shooting a shot before you can start charging the next one.

skimming the code it doesn't look like it but the code is weird and I could've missed it

[earnest bone]

Fartshart code is something you don't want to look at

it's a deep abyss

of unknown things

https://tenor.com/view/annuit-coeptis-illuminati-green-eye-gif-14215143635500830584

[analog yacht]

I do not envy the devs for having to code everything in stingray/lua but they've done a pretty good job all things considered

lua is kinda ass

it works out for us bc lua is super easy to mod, but lua is bad

[tall torrent]

Don’t think so

[uncut pebble]

Don't get it twisted. The AK did NOT copy the STG. The AK actually copied the M1 Garand.

[scarlet sun]

got a decent helbore, went to psycharium and it doesnt even 1 shot chaff. :/ I guess a hunt for a stronger helbore is still out there for me

[clear lantern]

both, really

[uncut pebble]

No I mean the internals of the AK are basically the same as the Garand.

[tame lichen]

I dont see a lot of Power sword vets anymore

[earnest bone]

well its kinda a boring weapon

went to play with new things, probably

[tame lichen]

fair, havet played vet in a while myself

[full nacelle]

yeah power sword is pretty clunky to use

the only time I enjoy using it is on a pure power sword build

built around nothing but spamming it

[strong osprey]

I migrated over to chain swords after i got bored with 2 clicking everything

[placid portal]

Sticking it with mk8 chaxe

Sticky fingers and gutteral slaughter

[radiant sedge]

Power Sword was fun until I hit Damnation, then I needed something that didn't require an extra click to do the job 😅

[frank ether]

I still do

grrr

[final hamlet]

Power sword belongs in a museum!

[shadow dagger]

weird way to say pine box

[junior grail]

Mk6 or mk3

[shadow lagoon]

What are some interesting weapon combos for vet?

Karking maxxed out bolter long ago

[radiant sedge]

I think the only builds where I would even consider calling it a combo is based around weapon specialist.

Which mainly benefits Revolver and DB Shotgun

But it's really fun to play

[earnest bone]

well, the most logical answer 'what the most interesting weapons to use' is the one you gotta find yourself, grab a grey version of every weapon and hit mobs in psykanium and decide on what you like

[frank ether]

Idk ppl usually bring mk6

[spice ferry]

Just to make sure.

This plasma cannon got the perfect stats right?

[radiant sedge]

pretty much

[placid portal]

Noice

(I never used plasma)

[sleek adder]

I've always wondered what were dump stats for Plasma Gun

[spice ferry]

As far as i understood there is not a single dump stat. U need a combination.

[sleek adder]

I've got same one with 68 therm. res and 73 charge. Should I max it out ?

[spice ferry]

Nope. The perfect ones are with 71% charge rate and 69% thermal.

80% everything else.

[earnest bone]

try to upgrade it, the numbers could go off by 3%+

i had one like that yesterday

[spice ferry]

THats what i got

seems good

[earnest bone]

yeah

[vale ledge]

Fellas, rate the shitpost of a lasgun I plan on using

And before you say anything

Im making it the Kantrael Mark IIb

[analog yacht]

🤔

[vale ledge]

I have tested it before and its actually so stupid lmao

[spice ferry]

ive played with recon las gun and Plasma cannon. Both are great for mealstorm. Plasma maybe be a little bit stronger but i am not sure.
What weapon should i ry next?

[vivid silo]

Why the 71% Charge Rate if I may ask? It doesn't boost damage any longer.

[vivid silo]

It depends on your build and how you use it. Personally I usually dump Ammo, but I don't use the Plasma as my primary weapon as I'm usually more melee-oriented. If you are more ranged-focused I would dump either Ammo or Charge Rate (Charge Rate matters less if you aren't cónstantly quickswapping). Personally I more or less never have issues with Ammo, so it's an easy dump stat for me.

Charge Rate is important for a quick-swapping build as it effectively reduces your reaction time by ~0.1 second.

[spice ferry]

Main thing is thermal resist.

With 69% thermal u can fire 8 consective shots. The same amount with 80% thermal res so u dont need more and all other stats are 80% already.

[vivid silo]

I don't always fire 8 shots in a row though, where higher Thermal can make a difference. I'd say it depends on playstyle. I.e. if you are ranged-focused with the Plasma it makes sense, but if you are quick-swapping more, it might not matter as much

I wonder if it changes the "safe" breakpoint for charging shots at ~88% for free damage

I'd also still dump Ammo, especially for a melee-focused playstyle

But that difference is miniscule

[spice ferry]

I played with 60 charge rate before this day and feel that 69% thermal is better. I don’t feel any difference in fire power except when charging which I use inly for bosses and crushers.

[vivid silo]

There used to be a technique to be able to get 9 shots off at 80% Thermal without losing Blaze Away stacks (wasn't possible at 69%), but I don't know if that is still possible as I don't use the Plasma much these days

[spice ferry]

I played a lot with recon. Now it’s plasma. Looking for next weapon to try out 🙂

[vivid silo]

I really dig the Bolt Pistol at the moment

Run n Gun is incredibly fun

But definitely not a top-meta choice like the Plasma/Recon are

But not much beats sprinting straight towards a pack of Ragers, firing 8 shots as you close the gap to thin the herd and then pulling out your Chain Axe and going to town

[spice ferry]

I am not that good yet to play with weaker weapons… need to learn more 🙂

[tawdry hull]

what is base cosmetics armor pattern uses for vet?

[vivid silo]

The Bolter also seems pretty strong at the moment, I'd recommend that or the Revolver (the zooming one)

[tawdry hull]

plasma been nerfed?

[tame lodge]

Nah

[vivid silo]

Demiwolf has already played with the Plasma

[tawdry hull]

i didn't play the game since 6 months or so seems weaker

[vivid silo]

Then there shouldn't have been significant nerfs in that period

[tawdry hull]

hmmm

[vivid silo]

Are you using the same build you used to?

[tawdry hull]

i don't know.. tried to remake the builds but everything reseted

[vivid silo]

I think that's a more likely culprit, that you are missing something you might've had back then

[tawdry hull]

I've noticed bolter doesnt open shields anymore...

[vivid silo]

I think it still can, it just requires more shots

I don't use it personally though, and I usually use melee weapons against Bulwarks

[tawdry hull]

i see

[tame lodge]

Bulwarks got buffed
Now you need more shots to open it

[tawdry hull]

autorifle still the highest damage output

and knife as I've seen

[vivid silo]

Aye Knife is absolutely bonkers. Dueling Sword is also flat out silly

If you haven't tried the Dueling Sword that is a must-try from what I've heard

[tawdry hull]

it's nice i use on psyker since long time

[vivid silo]

Aye, but it's even sillier with the melee-boosts from Vet/Zealot trees

1-shotting more or less any non-boss target with good mobility and the defensive features of Vet/Zealot on top of that

[earnest bone]

This is how it's usually goes

[tawdry hull]

anyways no one knows the armor pattern name of the basic vet srmor cosmetic?

[earnest bone]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3255143676

not sure, but maybe this can help

[tawdry hull]

wtf is that cover image lmao

[earnest bone]

ask the author

(tho its from indie visual novel)

[tawdry hull]

ik

where is it from

ok it must be the atoman pattern

thx

[earnest bone]

[tame lodge]

Another day
Another Ley fan not beating the allegations

[sleek garden]

Good morning team

[spice ferry]

Now thats my personal record for elite kills 🙂

[sleek garden]

What are you using

[spice ferry]

That was plasma cannon 🙂

[slow spade]

"0 plasteel, 0 diamantine" block that dude

[ancient path]

How are braces autoguns rn?

[slow spade]

usable

basically the same as always

[ancient path]

Word

[earnest bone]

Fixed issues where the max potential for weapon stats could change when empowering a weapon.

[faint beacon]

After getting fucked out of 20 perfect roll weapons?

Finally

[scarlet sun]

Hahahahaha

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a slide click game that involves incest

[hard cave]

Crying that they got banned from the server

[earnest bone]

so

i have a question

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-ned-okily-dokily-gif-4289162988260002514

[somber adder]

A non Rashad Combat Axe? Brave posting that in this server

[earnest bone]

no

62 in mobility after hotfix

i guess that's probably will go in another fix, as re-reading it again it's not a fix for stats, just for empower incorrect stats showcase

welp

[umbral scaffold]

So brave of you calling someone out on it

Reall big balls moment for you bud

[somber adder]

That's me

Literally chained to my gaming chair by my huge balls

[umbral scaffold]

[earnest bone]

Achlys is hot garbage ngl

but maybe it will get some changes in 2039

[ocean idol]

What is opinion on laspistols, which is better of the two?

I really liked the heavy one of gunker

[arctic rampart]

fast firing one was better last time I tried

[slow spade]

fast firing is better

but the heavy one is cooler

[analog yacht]

Great news if you want a heavy pistol

[arctic rampart]

Dodge Limit: [3 - 5] -- make sure it has 5 dodges. does it at 60/62 ?

see https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/combat-axe/achlys-mk-viii-combat-axe

[earnest bone]

You need 50 (or 51) mobility for 5 dodges

[arctic rampart]

It seems random but some weapons like dueling swords you have to invest extra rolls (above 60) to get max dodges

[earnest bone]

They are not, you just need to upgrade them, since empower (stats) values aren't maxed
However, there's some weapons like knife that previously allowed even less mobility and still getting 5 dodges

not an issue with new crafting tbh

just keep in mind mobility 51+

after that it's only about sprint speed, the other values won't change much

[faint beacon]

Respect the fact it’s not “Me Millionth Rashad”

[earnest bone]

[faint beacon]

I just find it incredibly boring

[orchid hemlock]

Least cultish Coffin fan 💀

[faint beacon]

Average coffin fan

[orchid hemlock]

I find this ironic that the VN is centered around this whole shock value of incest.

But the majority of VNs already have that for free 💀

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-orca-emote-seaworld-gif-10970484127845754302

[orchid hemlock]

Stealing

[faint beacon]

Fucking I will never understand that

[orchid hemlock]

If I had a penny for every VN who has a "little sister" route

I would be in the S&P 500

[hollow ibex]

i don't see how this could go wrong

[spice ferry]

Ouch...

[shadow dagger]

wait what

[spice ferry]

Is it ingame?

[shadow dagger]

oh explode when shot not explode on death

[arctic rampart]

I wonder if smite psyker 1 moment will explode em

[arctic rampart]

Supposedly it's an option after the hotfix but I didn't test yet

[spice ferry]

Dont see it in game yet or i dont know where to find it...

[arctic rampart]

Ah. This event will start on Thursday, November 7, 2024 (and goes for two weeks). The rewards will be Ordo dockets, Plasteel and Diamantine. Those who complete the last tier of the event will receive a new Portrait Frame. (Dev Note: Be aware the frame might not show up immediately in players’ inventories after receiving the notification. Players may need to re-log, or at least leave and re-enter the Mourningstar.)

Fatshark Strawhat had updated in reddit that it will be 10 times complete mission to get the rewards (https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1gk77b0/hotfix_52_1510_patch_notes/lvivfr9/)

[bold patrol]

interesting.

[hollow ibex]

i need that 4k diamantine 🤤

[tall torrent]

Havoc mode seems cool

[heavy rover]

Definitely gonna be giving it a try

[serene bough]

it looks like a rogue like mode unless im misunderstanding

or is it just 40 individual missions

[pale pecan]

I can't wait to be a Havoc 40 player

I better get a cool banner

Havoc is going to be a godsend for my builds that scale to better the more stuff there is

I've got so many builds that nuke Auric but suck on Normal damnation

[heavy rover]

I hope the havoc veteran drip looks nice

[tall torrent]

It has weapon skins

I think?

[hollow ibex]

Concept seems interesting

But not a fan of the level decay

[tall torrent]

A bunch of “battle forged XXXX” skins posted in driptide chat rn

Black & skull themed

[hollow ibex]

And the fact that it’s tied to the party finder which five people use

Idk how you’ll be able to progress without premade

[tall torrent]

You just
Play with a pre-made 4 stack

[hollow ibex]

Yea I mean seems like premades are mandatory

Which kinda sucks

[supple stag]

Oh well

[tall torrent]

Idk how hard it would actually be

[pseudo fiber]

And armour too it seems

So you get weapon skins and cosmetics
And it does look like a good time

[hollow ibex]

Can’t wait to see how aids the modifiers are gonna be

“You can no longer dodge”

[pseudo fiber]

They wouldn't do that

[hollow ibex]

[broken spade]

i am happy to have more premade content

[pseudo fiber]

No blocking no dodging you cannot see nurgle blessed tox gas weakened monstroties full power monstrosities 5x spawns

Hour 1 post on the forums "Havoc is too easy"

[idle swallow]

Modifier: Knife user movement speed and dodge range reduced by half

[broken spade]

pox gas, power supply interruption, ventilation purge, all at once

you cannot see the game sorry

[pseudo fiber]

Sand in your eyes

[broken spade]

all poxwalkers replaced with beasts of nurgle

[hollow ibex]

They said there’s going to be 40 levels right

And all those levels are supposed to be player debuffs?

[pseudo fiber]

Seems so

[tall torrent]

They said up to 2 modifiers in one havoc lvl

[pseudo fiber]

Probably minor or like tiered

[hollow ibex]

That’s a lot of modifiers

That they have to come up with lol

[pseudo fiber]

So you know -5% toughness regen at level 1 and then at 30 it's scaled up to -50%

[broken spade]

well it says 2 mutations
and conditions are separate. Idk what the difference is though

[hollow ibex]

I’m guessing higher difficulties are going to require four VOC vets

[pale pecan]

4 choir zealots

Jk

But that's what I'd go for

[broken spade]

like it talks about 2 mutators and then it says "also conditions will be active"
So i assume it's not part of the 2 mutators

conditions seem to be the gimmicky visual shit

wait ogryns will get flashlights soon?

wow

[jaunty rune]

Im just happy
Moebian 21st modifier coming back

[hollow ibex]

True that

[full nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6z9m38S7nw&lc=UgxaNsU_4MaQo56jJxV4AaABAg

hey folks! just looking for some honest critique

how do we feel about the intro to this video?

is it an issue that I sped up the showcase footage?

don't mind the quality, that's youtube encoder system screwing over us new content creators

[cedar imp]

Dump stat for Heavy swords?

[dry cloak]

Mobility

If they have it

If not then defence

[tame lodge]

Defences yeah

[rigid schooner]

what are the optimal roll stats for plasma again? is this okay?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[rigid schooner]

gah, thermal and charge are backwards then

[atomic zephyr]

can someone give a tl;dr for this new mode my brain is too smooth

[somber adder]

We don't even know much about it yet. They're still testing lol

[pseudo fiber]

40 tiers of difficutly each with more negative effects
Rewards for beating higher tiers (see #darktide-driptide for those)

[heavy rover]

If you git gud, funny number go higher. If funny number go lower, git gud

You get 3 tries to git gud before funny number go down

[slow spade]

can't wait for another game mode people are just going to ignore

[hollow ibex]

Stop you’re going to hurt the feeling of the five people using party finder

[slow spade]

indeed

at least its technically another source of mats?

we'll see if its even enough to be worth it :p

[heavy rover]

The one time I said I'm done paying for drip, fatshark gonna drop them one vet chest piece I've been wanting for over an eternity

[spice ferry]

What i dont like about Havoc is that u need to form a team prior to doing it. I kinda like just jumping into maelstorm without thinking...

[hollow ibex]

Same

But looks like it’s fundamentally designed around premade teams

Which kinda sucks

[slow spade]

quickplay hell for me

[thick kestrel]

you know... if you combine this part with that part...

:>

[shadow dagger]

it's realistically still fine

technically ideal stats is 69?% thermal with chargerate dumpstat

so sub-70 chargerate is fine

and catch me spending another million+ dockets on plasma to get an actually perfect roll

[slow spade]

don't be poor

ez fix

[shadow dagger]

true...

[rigid schooner]

Yeah I still saved it, it's most certainly fine for mastery grind at least

[hollow ibex]

Yeah we’ll see if the finder kicks off

[spice ferry]

It won’t. Because how many restarts you do before u get a good run? For me it’s like 3-4 before I get a good team.

Now imagine people taking shit at each other in premade…

[unborn ridge]

anyone has a cool

bolter gun build?

[narrow frost]

Do you want a goofy ass build that I use?

1 point extra for 60 sec nade or demo team

[hollow ibex]

Why krak with bolter 🤔

[unborn ridge]

u dont use the ogryn thing?

[sacred spindle]

y krak tho

and damage aura over ammo

bolter be thirsty

[hollow ibex]

Weapon spec build with no one motion. I see you enjoy suffering

[unborn ridge]

xD

anyone else

with a build

[narrow frost]

Anti bulwark

[unborn ridge]

kekw

[narrow frost]

As the number 1 hater

[umbral scaffold]

When’s new cosmetics

[narrow frost]

Fuck them

Krak

[sacred spindle]

I have my bad bolter build but currently I'm here

[narrow frost]

Don't need to verify through the launcher

Do it through steam

Much faster

And more accurate

[sacred spindle]

I'll bear that in mind for next time

[narrow frost]

They all hated my build 😔 my goofy build

[sacred spindle]

it confuses me 😦

[narrow frost]

That's the point

[unborn ridge]

xD

anyone else got one?

[narrow frost]

Ex-stance pulls out bolter in an instant

Other than that it's a melee vet

[unborn ridge]

a less goofy one

[narrow frost]

Krak to destroy bulwarks

[unborn ridge]

ahh i see

[sacred spindle]

melee vet with a "delete rager stack" button

[unborn ridge]

fck bulwarks tho

[sacred spindle]

I like the concept

[narrow frost]

Yup

[sacred spindle]

but yeah fuck bulwarks

[narrow frost]

As the number 1 hater, yes

I've got an idea

[reef jewel]

You ain't real if you don't use the boltgun

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent thoughts

Melee vet with bolter

[reef jewel]

Hell yeah

[unborn ridge]

why not the

point in

[reef jewel]

I love turning enemies to paste with the bolter

[unborn ridge]

ogryns

highlight

[sacred spindle]

ogryns are big

[reef jewel]

Then sawing a rager in half

[narrow frost]

What he said

[unborn ridge]

but highlight them

makes them take more dmg

from exec stance

[narrow frost]

No point in highlighting them cause I can see them from space

No

[unborn ridge]

its not for visibility

[hollow ibex]

Fair they’re annoying as fuck

[unborn ridge]

xD

[narrow frost]

Highlight doesn't take more damage

[sacred spindle]

I'd rather see shooters if anything

[unborn ridge]

ah

ur right

[narrow frost]

It just refreshes your ability if you kill the highlighted enemy

[slow spade]

pinging a target tends to make allies focus it

but only Focus Target gives any actual buff

[sacred spindle]

this is the bolter build I slapped together last night - it's basically about being able to reload in as little time as possible, but I've not played bolter since before UL&L and not really refined it much

[hollow ibex]

You’re gonna have a bad time with toughness regen

[sacred spindle]

yeah I got slapped around quite a lot

[jaunty rune]

I just skip keystone on exe bolter

[hollow ibex]

You also won’t need both reload talents to sustain exec stance

Just the right one is fine if you’re careful

[sacred spindle]

it's less about sustaining exec stance and more general utility

[hollow ibex]

So that can save you two points

[sacred spindle]

but keystone is iffy

[hollow ibex]

Long shot is a wasted point

You can take out for blood

[sacred spindle]

does volley adept trigger on melee kill?
e: it does

[trim tiger]

wow uhhhhh check pinned is all i will say lol

[hollow ibex]

I mean it’s not a bad build, just need something for toughness

[sacred spindle]

that's what we call "last resort" because building things from first principles is fun 🙂

[unborn ridge]

@tall torrent for boltgun

[sacred spindle]

like I say, needs refinement, and cutting keystone, longshot & volley adept for more toughness does seem like the way to go

[unborn ridge]

what are the blessings

in the guide i see a sht ton of combos

whats the best

[idle swallow]

Bolter with MF is a wild pick

[hollow ibex]

Why?

[slow spade]

because it already 1-hit kills on headshot

[clear lantern]

even maulers

[slow spade]

if your bolter doesn't kill things in 1-hit on head, you might want to request a refund from Brunt

[slow spade]

2-shots

sorry

[idle swallow]

Focus target is a lot more consistent potency in a keystone for something like bolter imo

[trim tiger]

i am exaggerating, and i think you couldve done worse if this is a build you made yourself

[unborn ridge]

anyone wanna help out xD

[trim tiger]

but the guide is useful in helping you make something both optimal and unique

[hollow ibex]

Crusher and mailer breakpoints though

And bosses

[unborn ridge]

bolter uses what blessings

[narrow frost]

Surgical, pinning flak/maniac

[narrow frost]

Surgical, pinning flak/maniac

Did it get sent twice?

[sacred spindle]

oh yeah for sure, I based the knife/super shotgun build I posted in the builds thread on both the guide & playtesting

it's a really useful resource

[unborn ridge]

really surgical

surgical feels weirdd

[narrow frost]

Don't need to use surgical then

Up to you, it's your weapon

But it does want that crit

[unborn ridge]

do u even wanna aim it

[narrow frost]

Yes

[sacred spindle]

No YoU nEeD tO bUiLd eVeRyThINg MeTa It's a TeAm GaMe

[unborn ridge]

any reason for not carapace

or unyelding?

[narrow frost]

Getting a crit headshot will 1 shot anything besides carapace and then carapace will be a 2 shot if I remember correctly

You will still need to shoot them 2 or more times

It won't change the breakpoint

[slow spade]

lol yeah very important to get MF for that

[narrow frost]

But if someone else has found something else with it, speak up

[idle swallow]

Gloryhunter/pinning bolter is nice to keep toughness up on exe stance if you're skimping on toughness talents

If you don't like surgical

[sacred spindle]

cutting longshot / volley adept gives that build out for blood, so a bit more toughness, then maybe demo team for even more frags?

[narrow frost]

Try the other blessing in the testing range

See the damage

With a crit and then without

[hollow ibex]

I run that on my bolter build yeah

[narrow frost]

Experiment, vet is the most fun class to do experiments with

[sacred spindle]

demo team + stockpile + bolter = big boom

[slow spade]

its also the most punishing if you fuck up 😔

Puncture + Lethal Prox bolt pistol come on Fatshark

you know you want to

[narrow frost]

How so?

In play wise or build wise

[slow spade]

build-wise because of the tons of opportunity cost

[trim tiger]

literally, you can build for this class however now

[narrow frost]

That is true, but you can do whatever with a build

[clear lantern]

some people don't build for a playstyle, that build for a specific weapon

[narrow frost]

I've done 0 talent runs

And still won

It's just easier with certain talents

[slow spade]

no one said you can't

its just Vet gets a lot of value from their talents

and you can miss a lot by not building right

[clear lantern]

highest access to guns I think

[slow spade]

VoC but you don't get Duty and Honor UwU

[narrow frost]

I might consider ogryn probably to be the most punishing if you don't build right

[clear lantern]

The Cadian way

If we get through this, I am going to kill you in your sleep

[narrow frost]

But I do see your view on how a wrongly built vet will struggle without the good talents

[cosmic terrace]

thanks for the build i tried it out and it was a blast to play. was getting tired of plasma gun and really wanted one shotgun build that scratches that itch

[clear lantern]

E1M1 intensifies

[slow spade]

I would have agreed pre-FNP nerf but now it feels like talents outside the "toughness on heavy attacks" nodes are just "win more"

[slow spade]

Playing Exec Stance Bolter and I can't afford to get the 0.25 stam delay node

I crutch on that node so hard

[narrow frost]

Naur!

😔

[slow spade]

"wait why can't I push anymore"

[narrow frost]

You can run stamina Regen on curio

Same effect

[slow spade]

not even close

you only need 1 stam to push

so I could just spam push to lock enemies down

[clear lantern]

bolter melee attack

[slow spade]

now I have to actually move and stuff :c

[narrow frost]

My pov might be skewed, I always run +9 stamina

My bad

[slow spade]

1 sec stam delay on Vet hurts too

as its the longest, it takes 0.6 sec to fire a plasma shot for context

[slow spade]

don't worry, I considered it too

[orchid hemlock]

OK Ainz time to end the debate

Toughness regen on Ogryn..

GO

[narrow frost]

Worthless, the only case is gungryn but for me I don't see value in gungryn besides boss dps, so I still build for melee.

It only effect coherency regen speed

Outside of combat

It's a dead perk

[orchid hemlock]

What do u take then?

[earnest bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PKZ_bgCpfg

[orchid hemlock]

Already posted yesterday

Get better

[earnest bone]

@tall torrent

[earnest bone]

[orchid hemlock]

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/i-missed-it-all-eric-cartman-heidi-turner-south-park-s21e6-gif-20403678

[narrow frost]

On my vet I think I take , stam Regen speed, gunner res, toughness/flamer res

[orchid hemlock]

Ogryn

[crude fiber]

I don't think ex-stance procs weapon specialist. Unless they fixed that

[narrow frost]

It does now

Since the crafting update

[crude fiber]

Ohh nice

[full nacelle]

Hey you're very welcome! That's awesome to hear and I'm glad you're enjoying it! Yeah, haven't found another shotgun build like it

[narrow frost]

Toughness, gunner res, bomber/flamer res

[orchid hemlock]

Guy unironically said "tanner popularized this build" and I shut it off

[earnest bone]

what build

[orchid hemlock]

The one u posted

[earnest bone]

so it's a 30 minute video just about one build? jeezuz

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

Well 2 tech

It's just a knife build, but he takes only reciprocity

[earnest bone]

well it seems he's living

a luxury life

[orchid hemlock]

Imagine going flesh tester riposte knife

And NOT taking desperado

[earnest bone]

at that point could just used Lacerate/Uncanny Strike

otherwise he's like at what

25% critrate

FT value

[orchid hemlock]

sure u should be taking things like trench, WS, AG, but at the very least

[earnest bone]

(45)

[orchid hemlock]

at least desperado is just free damage and crit

and helps with procing bleed

[earnest bone]

can we move desperado to zealot

[orchid hemlock]

dude I swear Tanner has melted the minds of half of the player base already

[earnest bone]

he's spreading chaos pollution

confusing minds and creating chaos

[orchid hemlock]

I cant wait for the Havoc game mode to arrive so whenever people start saying "meta" all I need to do is ask them what their Havoc rank is

[unborn ridge]

do people have

macros for the melee combos

[orchid hemlock]

no

[unborn ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1qoqK7gG7I

this dude

seems

too good then xDd

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

actually it could be worse

[earnest bone]

its only like

[earnest bone]

3 wasted points

welp

[unborn ridge]

xD

this was also

[clear lantern]

I AIN'T NEVER TIRED

[unborn ridge]

4 months ago

[orchid hemlock]

actually block eff does nothing unless u get hit, so u can still run out of stamina

[clear lantern]

+12% ability regeneration is wild

[orchid hemlock]

he also didnt take any stamina regen nodes

ig its for worse case scnerio of getting mauled by 20 ragers

[unborn ridge]

he oneshoted bosses tho

[orchid hemlock]

also why is he doing punching combos LMAO

[unborn ridge]

but the thing is

how fast is

yeah

thgat

[unborn ridge]

thats what i meant

xD

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spaiz-tryhard-inae-gif-25591120

[unborn ridge]

doesnt it do a overhead stab

[clear lantern]

me pressing parry on my catachan devil blade when 16 ragers find me

[unborn ridge]

after punching

[orchid hemlock]

i think its to stack bleed, but u can do the same with just a heavy

and u do like no damage

[unborn ridge]

i thnk its for the special following attack

he does a overhead stab

perhaps

[orchid hemlock]

u can headshot with the heavy

[unborn ridge]

xD

[orchid hemlock]

also if u want to quickly kill specialist, just double push attack

[unborn ridge]

does he think hes using the other mark knife

[orchid hemlock]

the heavy also has 6 cleave

[unborn ridge]

that one in the guide says it uses the sp attack and

sL1

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent is there like a secret knife combo i am not aware of?

this guy is punching+overhead+pushattack

[unborn ridge]

if not that guy is sweating so hard

xD

i saw the punches n sht and was like

wtf is goin on

[orchid hemlock]

also when he is fighting mixed hordes he could be killing everything with the heavy

the whole point of the mk6 is to spam those heavies

[full nacelle]

the "STRONGEST" boss killer doesn't take Bring It Down? The boss killing node?

[unborn ridge]

well he still oneshoted it

[orchid hemlock]

might as well went mk3 and spam heavies if he wants overheads

[unborn ridge]

xd

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/guidlines-pirates-of-the-caribbean-hector-babossa-georffrey-rush-gif-7844913

[orchid hemlock]

big boss damage

uses boltgun

also I cringe everytime he uses the boltgun on a trash enemy 😭

not even multiple, just one

[slow spade]

doesn't get the +20% Strength node on ult

bruh

[unborn ridge]

btw

[idle swallow]

me when I boltgun mag dump some poxwalkers

[unborn ridge]

new gamemode coming?

[slow spade]

yes

[earnest bone]

doubt it

[slow spade]

Havoc

[earnest bone]

Chaos Wastes or bust

[slow spade]

going to be honest, it doesn't look good to me

its Vt2 Weaves but party finder only

so you need pre-mades lol

[full nacelle]

I don't see that in the vod unless I missed something

[idle swallow]

At least you don't have to buy dlc to access it lol

[orchid hemlock]

but imagine if this guy instead of sweating and getting carpal tunnel with the knife doing all of this alt attacking shit, he just puts on the rashad and slaughters everything with light attacks

[clear lantern]

that'd be better if it stated BENEDICTED instead of True

[slow spade]

na trust me it was one-shotted, just wasn't recording UwU

[full nacelle]

ohhhhh gotcha

[slow spade]

don't tempt them

[orchid hemlock]

"one shot"

USES AN UNTIRE BOLTGUN CLIP INTO THE SKULL

[clear lantern]

me with the monster I one shotted with a single magdump, just out of frame

[earnest bone]

pretty much all boss damage was from bolter

[orchid hemlock]

this guy is struggling soo much with anything more than 3 targets in front of him

and the mk6 isn't a bad wave clear weapon

he just refuses to use the heavies

[earnest bone]

so many unneeded punch moves

not like he's running serrated blades + mercy killer

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/parappa-the-rapper-chop-chop-master-onion-gif-6560055066769161464

[earnest bone]

so you can punch and then oneshot with +60% weakspot

[slow spade]

special action for horde clear UwU

[unborn ridge]

do u have one build for that?

[orchid hemlock]

build for what?

[unborn ridge]

boss killer

or over all just boltgun

[orchid hemlock]

ig something like this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d69293a-2b68-4cb2-b221-c5f5493fd880/bolt-deez-nutts?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

i dont really use the boltgun tho

im too WS pilled 😔

[unborn ridge]

i love ur build names xD

wtf

doesnt infiltrate give more dps?

[orchid hemlock]

yes but nothing on the right side is what boltgun wants

u can also take VOC on this build if u want

[cosmic terrace]

not sure why people were so aggro in the comment section but its defo not a bad build gotta try it out in auric tommorow.

considering it specializes in horde clear i imagine it just gonna work better the bigger the wave

[orchid hemlock]

like how is this troll build I made that objectively is just hard coping makes more sense than these "meta" builds people keep posting and getting thousands of likes on https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[slow spade]

Vets are a pain to min max

unlike Zealot which is basically a "solved" class

you can fuck around with Vet and make some weird build

[orchid hemlock]

"second wind, duelist, be swift"

[slow spade]

Ironically, this isn't too far off from my pug build

except replace demo team with the ogryn damage node

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair you're adding "carried plas steel"

To your score

Like remove it so you can get a better look of your total score after

[slow spade]

literally the most important stat though

2nd only to "diamantine picked up"

[terse idol]

[cosmic terrace]

😄

[slow spade]

I LOVE MONEY

[cosmic terrace]

really like turning hordes to paste with it

like plasma gun is obviously better because it kills everything

but its a fun flavour build

[terse idol]

Flavour when manstopper walks into the room

I mean the build is cooking on the fact that it does use manstopper and something enabling crits

[tall torrent]

what

[terse idol]

Also! (Don't take born leader without glory hunter for the love of God!)

[tall torrent]

I'm not watching that

[terse idol]

Me as I glance through the video

[tall torrent]

comes down to preference cuz all of them do something for u
I personally prefer pinning fire + puncture

[tall torrent]

this actually works
if u cope with reload speed hard enough, or are autistic enough to do the reload cancel trick every time u reload

[cosmic terrace]

is that bad ? or am i missing something

[terse idol]

Born leader is kinda bad imo if you don't just generate toughness in that build

Manstopper is like an incredible talent for shotgun

[slow spade]

the altenatives to Born Leader are all shit

so its not like you're missing much

[terse idol]

Yeah

Me as I say if you run VOC may as well run fte

[slow spade]

at best the "10% damage for 5 sec every 30 sec"

[terse idol]

Cause of the voc resets

[orchid hemlock]

#veteran-class message

what is this guy doing with the knife?

[tall torrent]

SP -> s.L1 -> PA

what's wrong with that

[orchid hemlock]

but why not just heavy>pa

[tall torrent]

I never said u can't do punch into overhead into push atk

the combo list here is just "what chains into what" in a cohesive single target/horde clear moveset

[tall torrent]

preference? idk

[orchid hemlock]

he doesnt use heavies at all tho

its just punch>light>pa>punch

[tall torrent]

that's his problem then

[narrow frost]

I am, that's me

And having the reload talent on WS guarantees at least 1 bullet for a special

[tall torrent]

I tested One Motion again

[narrow frost]

The swap speed?

[tall torrent]

yea

[cosmic terrace]

what Pa stands for ?

[tall torrent]

it shaves off a whopping 0.10833s for plasma going from rashad attack finish into firing a regular shot

0.83333s => 0.775s (avg)

[tall torrent]

push atk

[narrow frost]

Push attack

[narrow frost]

Let's fucking go!!!!!

[cosmic terrace]

its better to do pa than just que another heavy for mk3 dagger ?

for single target

[slow spade]

worth

[tall torrent]

so now my decision is between 2 gambling talents
5% crit chance or twinned blast

[narrow frost]

It's all muscle memory for me, I can't explain it

[tall torrent]

also imma just say

any placebo I had about One Motion making a big difference for plasma

I think it's because I'm firing coming out of a sprint

and plasma has the worst sprint to fire speed in the game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1303465189416370176/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.05_-_15.05.59.01.mp4?ex=672bda0e&is=672a888e&hm=7617ebb73ae974490050ebd1ca7ef825c0c53f126b7366cfbf198631ae4f6822&

[jaunty rune]

If you can handle helbore swap speeds you can handle any swap speed

[hollow ibex]

Sounds like you win either way

[tall torrent]

see if u can tell a difference between with/without

[jaunty rune]

Its noticeable but just barely

Think you will notice a bit more in a real game but ymmv

[cosmic terrace]

like my go to for single target for mk3 knife is h2 -> l3 does pa there means you can change around between l3 and pa ?

[jaunty rune]

Wait notice a bit more? I mean notice a bit less

Me dumb

[broken spade]

i personally would not take one motion on plasma

[tall torrent]

the single target combo listed here for knife 3 is:
start H1 into H2 which loops itself with L3 or PA
PA has its own bracket which means u can spam PA loop until you're out of stamina, and it's in the H2 loop bracket so after PA you will go back to H2, which can be followed up with L3 (chains into H2) or PA spam (also chains into H2)

[broken spade]

i can see it working in your clip but it's not enough for me to care about

[cosmic terrace]

ok thanks for explaining

[sacred spindle]

I'm really liking rashad as a combo with boltgun

[broken spade]

not to mention plasma is inherently delayed anyways, so it's still not gonna make it feel that much more responsive imo

[sacred spindle]

did they buff axes in the past few months?

[tall torrent]

yes, heavy atk maniac dmg

[umbral parrot]

Yooooo so excited for the Havoc system~!!!

You guys reading this?

[hearty panther]

ye

no given date tho, that's kinda stinky

[umbral parrot]

Yea...

[sacred spindle]

rather have news and a "coming soon" than no news tbh

[umbral parrot]

Yus

[hearty panther]

id rather no news

[rain badger]

Best shockmaul perks and blessings? Looking to try some new melee weapons out

[full nacelle]

all I want is autopistol buffs

[hearty panther]

two barrels

[rain badger]

he didn’t play when auto pistol was meta god

[hearty panther]

it sucked back then

not in output obviously

but like, that shit did not play like an uzi

bad vibes

[rain badger]

[pale pecan]

Those were the days

[slow spade]

it was like 206 damage per shot autopistol

something stupid like that

[shadow dagger]

i remember reading something an eternity ago about how marksmans focus had like a hidden -threat effect or something

was that actually a thing

[ancient path]

trying out braced guns is kinda neat

[tribal tangle]

Do knives need carapace for any break points? or is it a wasted slot

[ancient path]

tho im prob gunna stan kraks if i go chainsword, braced and voc lol

[tribal tangle]

On vet that is

[full nacelle]

graia braced my beloved

[pale pecan]

Yes, the camoflague perk

[tribal tangle]

Whats best for knives on vet? Bleed isnt that good because no crits, and precog I don't imagine is as good as zealot because of the tree.

Uncanny is a given for me

[pale pecan]

I'm running Precognition Mercy Killer with Serrated Blade, then Carapace and Crit Chance

[full nacelle]

is that real? pretty cool if true

[pale pecan]

The knife still had really good crits, and precog and mercy killer proc on everything

[pale pecan]

I wouldn't know, I've moved away from threat reduction perks

I like tanking

[full nacelle]

but it doesn't say it actually reduces threat anywhere

I've never heard anyone say it does

[pale pecan]

No it doesn't

[ancient path]

im using vraks rn

[shadow dagger]

cant go wrong with precog riposte

[pale pecan]

But I have heard it does have the old innate camo expert built into it

[orchid hemlock]

The default is uncanny + riposte

But knife is a very heavily invested weapon on Vet

[pale pecan]

Uncanny Mercy Killer/Precognition is also really strong, just make sure you grab Serrated Blade above the speed aura if you make Mercy Killer

It is basically a free +60% weakspot damage so

With serrated that is, but not everyone likes the talent investment so Precog is also good

Alternatively check the guide, I'm just saying what I like.

[ancient path]

at first i was kinda unsure about using hit and run but its kinda funny lol

you blast one poxwalker close range and youre now just immune to that line of shotgunners / gunners

[ocean idol]

which is not as big as it sounds

[pale pecan]

I know, but it does scale well

[ocean idol]

nah

VEt can make chsword work very well though

[pale pecan]

I dislike Chainsword vet tbh, I prefer it for Zealot.

I will say, for those of you looking to grind Havok tho, give this build a shot.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d575982-9f33-4b90-9c58-b65621d6cf6c/veteran-fragger

This is one of the builds I'll likely be maining for it until it gets nerfed.

Cuz it's gotta get nerfed, it's basically Vet's version of Assail Spam except with Armor Pen

[ocean idol]

nah, feels too weak on zealot

on vet though agile engagement makes it very good

plus weapon spec of course

[pale pecan]

I'd disagree. I had a Martyrdom build with it I quite liked, Shred Rampage.

[ocean idol]

which chsword?

I don't like shred

chsword attack speed too fast, i keep losing stacks of it

and if you take shred, better take Fury as well

[pale pecan]

The blue one, fast and solid light pattern

[ocean idol]

for some guaranteed crits

[ocean idol]

So you just spam lights pretty much?

[pale pecan]

Yep!

[clever hedge]

M1 gaming

[broken spade]

wtf

[pale pecan]

I personally can't wait for the 2 handed power sword

My melee vet is gonna be so much fun

[ocean idol]

also yeah, zealot has Eviscerator, which is just a better chsword

[broken spade]

go say chainsword zealot is too weak in zealot chat and see what happens

[tough flower]

Lmao

[pale pecan]

Evis definitely feels like a better chainsword

But I like the mobilty cs has

[pale pecan]

Don't throw him to the wolves

#zealot-class is where you go to get good

Here is where you come to chill

[broken spade]

i like evis more too but chainsword attacks so much faster

[sharp trail]

both is good

[pale pecan]

This is true

The day we get an all horde clear light chainsword

[severe gale]

it’s not unfortunately

[ocean idol]

Chsword should have combat axe pattern and attack speed

[severe gale]

mk13g chainsword does about everything the mk3 evis does but better

[pale pecan]

I wish Chainsword got the basic Catachan sword moveset

Side 2 side heavies

[broken spade]

chainsword is just gonna be more dps most of the time

i like evis for the safety from the reach and stagger

[pale pecan]

Y'know I wonder if the 2 handed Power Sword is just gonna be Bret Longsword with a power up function

That would be fucking cool

[sharp trail]

wasnt the consensus that the 1h chswords are better for horde clear and evis are more generalist/jack of all trades, idk could be making it up

[ocean idol]

Which one is that?

[severe gale]

which

the mk3 evis?

[pale pecan]

The blue one

[sharp trail]

mk13g is the blue chsword mk3 evis is green

[ocean idol]

chsword

[severe gale]

the mk3 evis is sweep heavy into overhead heavy

[severe gale]

mk13g is 2 overhead heavies into diagonal sweep heavy

[ocean idol]

also exe sword second evi also really good and universal

even if mind numbing

[severe gale]

mk15 is really brain dead strong yeah

[broken spade]

mk15 evis is braindead and safe

[severe gale]

high A-tier low S tier weapon

[ocean idol]

same as second chaxe

[broken spade]

i use it to turn off my brain

[ocean idol]

Also i liked that chaxe on agile vet

[broken spade]

i am fairly certain i could get better dps if i switched to chainsword though

[ocean idol]

and in general i really start liking any agile vet builds with bistol for quick agile and weapon spec activations mid horde

HMMMMMM

Ok, i will experiment tomorrow

[ancient path]

how is run and gun? i kinda wanted to try it for my frag build.

no keystone though, eh? interesting.

[pale pecan]

Great! BP in that build is my mobility weapon, the extra accuracy makes running and gunning as well as hipfire very smooth

[ancient path]

i think ill stick with my chainsword even though i love shock maul, tho

[pale pecan]

Amd the 15% damage boost while sprinting is nice, but I mostly wanted it for the extra accuracy

[pale pecan]

Shock Maul is necessary for that build sadly, because the blessing debuffs apply to the frag grenades.

[ancient path]

thats cool. ill give it a shot. i was using puncture for that extra damage. its came in handy a few time

[ancient path]

oh really? interesting

[pale pecan]

Which is what makes it so powerful.

[severe gale]

what debuff

?

[pale pecan]

Skullcrusher Opportunist

[severe gale]

ah

[pale pecan]

Aka the extra damage on staggered enemies

[ancient path]

i have high voltage on my shock maul

good thing about this patch is that i can just swap out freely lo.

[ocean idol]

is not shock maul like the worst weapon in the game?

[pale pecan]

I also like those blessings since they also apply the debuffs on the special attack

So really the whole build is just blow stuff up, stay by your allies, throw nades, and clean up with the mace.

[pale pecan]

I personally have it ranked up next to Duelling Sword and Power Sword for me.

[severe gale]

no

it’s alright

it’s not great

[pale pecan]

I know it's not that good

[severe gale]

but it’s not bad

[ancient path]

if the shock maul is the worst then that means the melee weapons would be in a very good spot lol

[pale pecan]

But I've gotten solid with it

[severe gale]

bad is like, taxe 4

[ancient path]

i love the shock maul

[pale pecan]

Huh?

How

[severe gale]

taxe 4 is just bad

[ocean idol]

bruh, no way

[severe gale]

bad move set

taxe 2 n 7 r good

but not 4

it’s also got the lowest damage lights i believe

[severe gale]

also yeah this is a bad ranking

[pale pecan]

I guess, I still prefer it over the others.

[severe gale]

if ur talking about personal enjoyment

yeah that’s fine

[broken spade]

I have still never equipped a shock maul

[severe gale]

but actual ability? it’s nowhere near those

[pale pecan]

Again, my opinions with my personal experiences with the weapon.

[broken spade]

What is it actually good at?

[severe gale]

i’m anti shockmaul now

[pale pecan]

And using it I was able to outdamage some of the best players so

[severe gale]

everything except unyielding

[pale pecan]

I'm fine

[severe gale]

who?

[pale pecan]

Not even close

[severe gale]

were they actually trying?

like, genuinely

[pale pecan]

No clue, I had fun though!

[severe gale]

i don’t ever see them get that little damage lol

[broken spade]

were you using a bolter or something?

[pale pecan]

Big reason why I'm excited for Havoc tho

[pale pecan]

Shock Maul and Shredders baby, the very build I last linked.

[broken spade]

you picked up more ammo than dorn so i assume you just had a lot of magdump damage

[broken spade]

wtf

[clear lantern]

Pulpit & dorn did a good job of looting plasteel here while someone named Holt was goofing off

[pale pecan]

Also yes they were all melee focus zealots and I always bring the ammo crate perk so I was able to spit out nades, which did skew the numbers.

But again, a lot of those nades were just the 5% proccing

[severe gale]

ah

yeah

shredders r

balanced…

i think shredders should deal less bleed but more immediate damage

tbh

[pale pecan]

It's really dumb how OP they can get if you take everything that buffs them

[severe gale]

throwing 2 grenades into an elite pack and instantly getting like 200k damage

[broken spade]

*throw 2 grenades anywhere on the map

[pale pecan]

It's even dumber with Opportunist and the free 10% rending

[broken spade]

the range is just silly

[pale pecan]

You can knock down a crusher and 2 shot them with 1 nade

[severe gale]

but guys vet is balanced

[pale pecan]

Or just stunlock with the jab

[severe gale]

guys vet is balanced

it’s just VOC and iron will and tactical awareness that need to be nerfed

[pale pecan]

The only time I can think of when Vet wasn't the strongest class in the game was when they nerfed the SMG and Volley Fire

[severe gale]

if he sees this he’ll know it was about him

[hollow ibex]

How unless there’s fifty crushers

[severe gale]

also when vet didn’t have keystones

[pale pecan]

Also true

[severe gale]

i was exaggerating for dramatic effect

[elder fiber]

Can't wait to give darktide a negative review when they fix lethal prox bug, thereby completely gutting vet and making shredder build unviable

[pale pecan]

Who would win? 50 crushers or two frag grenades? Let's find out.

Brb downloading creature spawner

[hollow ibex]

Well shredders don’t do much to crushers without some uncanny shenanigans

[pale pecan]

Tbf

[severe gale]

power sword all over again…

[pale pecan]

1 frag does about 30% of a Crusher's health

It gets like 50% with two cuz of the bleed, but softening everything up is still solid.

[hollow ibex]

Does it? 🤔

More than I expected ngl

[pale pecan]

The only way Shredders could ever be good at AP again like they used to be would be if they undid the nerf to Onslaught

So DOT could proc the armor rend

[hollow ibex]

Maybe you can do some funny things with it with uncanny

[pale pecan]

The alternate weapon would be a Shovel with Uncanny and Skullcrusher

[hollow ibex]

That’s what I run on my explodey build

[pale pecan]

That might work better tbh, but I like the ease of use with Shock Maul

Just throw a nade and free 25% rending

But Shovel might be able to crank out more damage more situationally

I'll give it a shot later to see

[severe gale]

skull crusher doesnt apply to frags

btw

just tested it

the rending does

[jovial aurora]

Hey @tall torrent what's the comparison between maxed DEF + MOB on DS5 for movement speed against the knives

[severe gale]

but not SC

[severe gale]

further dodges

[jovial aurora]

Further dodges and same speed?

[severe gale]

heavy sprinting with knife will be faster

[pale pecan]

Rip the nerf

[severe gale]

yah they just dont apply SC

[pale pecan]

Either way I still think it's a decent blessing

[severe gale]

SC is great

but just doesnt buff frags

[jovial aurora]

So faster regular sprinting and longer dodges with ds5 but more heavy sprint on knoife?

I've literally never used a knife

[pale pecan]

It used to though, guess I just need to test more

Is there a weapon with Uncanny Opportunist?

I don't think so

[severe gale]

probably

[severe gale]

i dont think so

[broken spade]

I use serrated blade knife with uncanny mercykiller on my bleed nade meme build

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-growl-grr-mad-angry-gif-4765534

[broken spade]

very high bleed damage

[faint beacon]

Honestly nerf everything and I wouldn't mind small touches on Iron will

I enjoy the idea of Iron Will a lot

but like

it gets super fucking OP with VOC lmao

[pale pecan]

Okay so correction, I got the source that Skullcrusher buffs frag grenades ages ago, but I might've been thinking it was doing something it wasn't. It does actually work, it just only applies to already staggered enemies.

So if you VOC a Crusher then nade him it will proc

Or if you throw 2 nades

1st nade staggers 2nd nade applies 1 stack

Which is why the 20% double nade perk is goated

I should add that description in the build

Which suddenly I understand now why anytime I got a double nade followed up by another nade it would be a room wipe

Especially with the 15m blast radius on each nade with all the AOE buffs

I think the Shovel with Skullcrusher might have more overall potentially than Skullcrusher Opportunist on Mace

[lavish token]

No, this is actually trying tho lmao

[pale pecan]

What was the build?

[lavish token]

Ds5 bolter

20 min clutch pulled 300k damage out of my ass to do it

[pale pecan]

lmao

[pale pecan]

Also yeah tbf I should get a better game with you guys before totting those damage numbers, the spawns were low and I was a grenade goblin the whole round. Excited to see what Havok has in store.

Inb4 we get an all enemies are Karnak Twin's Fenzied modifier

I wonder if they'll ever do weekly missions agains

Would be nice to get some positive modifiers

[cosmic terrace]

any cool builds i could try out? tried plasma bolter recon and autogun already

or weapons in general

[severe gale]

did you just test this?

[pale pecan]

Yes

[severe gale]

because as i was testing, grenading a staggered enemy doesn’t add any stacks

[pale pecan]

Hmm

[severe gale]

i just cannot use the ds5

i tried

it’s such shit damage

[lavish token]

Go piety

Rampage for horde clear uncanny for armor

[severe gale]

i copied ur build and was messing around in the psykanium

and it feels like ass

just raw ass

[pale pecan]

DS5 is great just because it didn't get the Vet Shovel Nerf

[lavish token]

Swap out stalwart for the right side piety node

[pale pecan]

Where the Defenses stat added dodge distance

[lavish token]

All ds need gigantic nerfs

[pale pecan]

It got removed from Vet shovel

but Not DS5

So DS5 has double the dodge distance of just about everything

[severe gale]

who wins me with ds5 or you with mk3 evis

i think…

neither

[lavish token]

You

Damage wise

[severe gale]

hrmm

perhaps

[lavish token]

Ds5 allows you to do extremely stupid things and win

[severe gale]

true

but no iframes remember that guys

[tall torrent]

that's a super exaggerated number, more like 50k on the high end

[lavish token]

Dodging straight through bon puke directly into a weakspot heavy

[severe gale]

it’s just when i dodge no matter how close i am to the enemy it does hit me

[severe gale]

scroll down to see my answer to that