veteran-class

[thorn torrent]

I feel that 100%

[trim tiger]

how do killshot ready penance (marksmans focus)

[thorn torrent]

Headshots?

I got the pants, idk.

[tall torrent]

Crab walk melee

Bring a shotgun

[vestal widget]

practically speaking tho, there are a bunch of guns where if you have the actual important stats maxed the rest of them are like whatever marginal improvements

[trim tiger]

IT WORKS WITH MELEE???

[tall torrent]

It’s “any kill”

[trim tiger]

i hate fs so much bro

[vestal widget]

it works with nades too etc

[thorn torrent]

yeah, that's what I figured. I wasn't sure if the meta had a particular reason for the 60 and 80 threshholds besides being low/high caps.

[tall torrent]

Should have read more carefully

[inner temple]

This I take a marginal improvement and not 'dumbstat worst stat' because there is no worst stat in my opinion.

[trim tiger]

it doesnt say Any Kill

[vestal widget]

i like how the descriptions are sometimes super specific and sometimes are an inscrutable creative writing exercise

[terse idol]

It says kills on 10 stacks of mf

[tall torrent]

It says 2500 kills, doesn’t specify “ranged kill”

[terse idol]

Yeahhh

[tall torrent]

Therefore it’s “any kill”

[inner temple]

Yeah hah

[trim tiger]

i guess my fs lingo isnt what it used to be, thanks

[thorn torrent]

Fs?

[trim tiger]

fromsoftware

[inner temple]

Fookin shoota

[thorn torrent]

Hah

[vestal widget]

anyway, the manstopper scattershot spread-fire shotgun (idk what they're all called now but the one that used to be the lawbringer), recon las with all the +crit so you can waste bullets firing into hordes, firing a plasma gun into hordes, crabwalking with rashad are all things that felt tolerable when I was doing the penance

[tall torrent]

It’s mostly just crab walk melee + recon XIV /Zarona shotgun

U can spawn camp mercantile start -> first event

[thorn torrent]

There's no way I did this, the bolt pistol's second thing is a punch 🤣

[tall torrent]

Secondary action is ADS/brace

[trim tiger]

loner penance gotta be the worst in the game right

[vestal widget]

Secondary action is ads

[thick kestrel]

I've mentioned it before but the 15 stacks node also makes it easier to complete the pennance, purely because it gives you a buffer where you stay >10 stacks more often

[tall torrent]

In terms of being annoying yes
In terms of being tedious no

[thorn torrent]

Ah that makes a lot more sense

[trim tiger]

most tedious one??

[vestal widget]

The most annoying one is the one where you have to kill stunned enemies

Since you have to do that with MMT or duos with a friend

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s 4500 lucky bullet procs (shoot 37500 times on avg)

[vestal widget]

Everyone kills hordes too quick in pubs

[trim tiger]

ok yeah this sucks

[vestal widget]

That one takes forever, and heavy hitter

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s are easy but tedious

[vestal widget]

But you get them just for playing so whatever

[tall torrent]

Easiest penances are psyker

Not a single hard penance

[trim tiger]

i brought the fast lugger or whatever to countless games and am barely did any progress shooting and constantly hording the ammo drops

[tall torrent]

Also the strongest class in the game rn

Truly a gifted class

[radiant chasm]

Achlys

[vestal widget]

I like how the best psyker builds were kinda OP so fatshark added another that was way stronger

[trim tiger]

agreed, none are bad except maybe ep/assail kills because i hate both of those things

[vestal widget]

The smite one felt the worst because it was two games of mindnumbing shit I subjected my friends to

[tall torrent]

Yea, still quite a while unless u run orthus

[trim tiger]

also this is unrelated but why do you list demo team as an important talent for bolt pistol in your guide? @tall torrent

[radiant chasm]

Smite was piss easy just go full EP creeping flames

[earnest bone]

lethal proximity

[radiant chasm]

And point

[tall torrent]

Lethal proximity boosts grenades’ explosion radius

I’ll let u figure out the rest

[thorn torrent]

Whaaat

[trim tiger]

pog

that is p cool

[vestal widget]

Also crusher activations etc

On zealot

[radiant chasm]

Weapon doesn’t even have to be out eifher

[vestal widget]

It's funny

[tall torrent]

Yes but it’s not super worth

It’s a shame that Boltpistol is 5~8% damage away from being actually good outside of this one trick

[radiant chasm]

Rn my build is uncanny shovel and lethal prox bistol and i go full nade maxing

[thorn torrent]

Listennn

My bolt pistol treats me well

[trim tiger]

feels like every enemy is like 1 hp from dying when i hit them with bp

[radiant chasm]

Focus target increased damage on kill,

[radiant chasm]

Puncture

[trim tiger]

even with puncture

[radiant chasm]

Literally the best thing 4 bleed stacks have ever done

Hmm i dont have that issue

[broken spade]

my boltpistol headshots flamers for all but 7 hp and then they die to 1 tick of bleed

[trim tiger]

like maniac enemies like flamers specifically

[radiant chasm]

But my build is weird ill post it if i remember when i get home

[radiant chasm]

Yep

[broken spade]

sometimes you can hit their backpack in a headshot and the bleed tick blows them up immediately after

instant explosion

[thorn torrent]

lol

[tall torrent]

You’ve been playing malice
Damnation enemies have 60% more health compared to malice

[thorn torrent]

Hey! I'm on Heresy now!

;_;

[trim tiger]

the backpack has got to be one of the worst new features

[broken spade]

i wish it didn't do direct hp damage

[trim tiger]

why do you blow up when i headshot you, why do you take several seconds to several minutes to blow up, whyyyyyyyy

[terse idol]

Oh because the BP is very very

Picky

For bistol

[broken spade]

sometimes i'll walk through fire and just tank through it with toughness
whoops that was explosion fire (looks exactly the fucking same), guess i'll lose hp instead

[trim tiger]

every day im reminded to never switch off revolver

[terse idol]

I meeeann

[slow spade]

its really fucking annoying that the flamer explosion fire does hp

[broken spade]

i don't mind them making specials more interesting but this is a fucked up implementation

[terse idol]

Grenadier bistol with LP, and the breakpoint req goes hard

ALSO

Revolver

Also is finicky with bps

[trim tiger]

seems this game is finicky with bps in general

[orchid hemlock]

i love aurics

[trim tiger]

remember when the most complicated bp was pushing plague monks with a shield

[terse idol]

Some weapons are easier to be fair 😌

[broken spade]

it's mostly the slower weapons that care about breakpoints

[terse idol]

Me when the specific bp's are specific and the general bps are general

[broken spade]

like a vraks autogun build isn't demanding you to count the number of bullets it takes to kill a rager or anything

[tall torrent]

Damnation still has 1.33x health compared to heresy

[tall torrent]

Nah

[radiant chasm]

Best

[tall torrent]

Veteran is the “consistent breakpoint” class

[trim tiger]

definitely more than say zealot like lol

[radiant chasm]

Thammer?

[trim tiger]

me no use

slow too for me

[terse idol]

Iirc you can build a rashad easier on the zealot than on vet

[tall torrent]

Well
In terms of caring about consistent breakpoints

Veteran > zealot > ogryn > psyker

[tall torrent]

No

[broken spade]

thammer is an outlier

[tall torrent]

Zealot Rashad needs like

[tall torrent]

5 perks

To be as good as veteran Rashad

[terse idol]

Oh my

[trim tiger]

rashad op

why am i able to 3 tap crushers as exe stance vet

[tall torrent]

Zealot Rashad wants smth like maniac + unarmored + elite + carapace + brutal momentum + headtaker

[terse idol]

[trim tiger]

how does this even happen you can only get 2 perks or wtv

[terse idol]

That's the problem

[broken spade]

does it onetap dreg bruisers without flak?

[tall torrent]

Yea, so it’s gonna be missing some breakpoints compared to veteran

[broken spade]

haven't actually tried on zealot

[tall torrent]

Yes if u stack sustained assault + headtaker

[trim tiger]

veteran goated once again

[tall torrent]

Well, a lot of weapons scale better for zealot than veteran

Rashad happens to not be in that list

[slow spade]

Zealot with Psword when?

[broken spade]

vet with evis when?

[tall torrent]

Knife, duelling sword, chainsword, chainaxe, DC sword all scale better for zealot because of crit, duellist & FotF

[broken spade]

although i'm pretty sure evis would be better on zealot

[tall torrent]

Nah

Evicerator is uh

I actually can’t rly find a reason to use them outside of “meme RP”

[trim tiger]

knife

[slow spade]

yeah a shame that the chain weapons are pretty shit

[trim tiger]

good enough for me

[tall torrent]

I don’t like the cleave-damage-distribution-cap mechanic

[broken spade]

evis is a solid all rounder on zealot

[trim tiger]

actually we all know the best class is unironically ogryn. i cant be mad at an ogryn ever

[tall torrent]

Nah

[trim tiger]

hes big and funny. op

[radiant chasm]

Mk4 chaxe is in a great spot

[tall torrent]

Class strength ranking is smth like
Psyker > veteran ≈ zealot > ogryn

[radiant chasm]

Even if it is cursed to be niche

And chsword continues to be itself

[radiant chasm]

Ogryn weakest class

[broken spade]

at least for the mk15, i've never had an issue with horde on evis. This is a smaller issue in practice than you'd think

[terse idol]

Holy psyker stronger than vet

[broken spade]

or at least it is with all the aspd i get with martyr

[radiant chasm]

Brb gotta full refill my toughness with one vet

Oh yea i agree with psyker tho

[trim tiger]

NO NOT THE BIG FUNNY GUY

[radiant chasm]

Psyker is just massively overtuned

[trim tiger]

i feel like im tweaking whenever i play psyker and its not a shriek trauma build

[tall torrent]

I wish ogryn had more than 2 good melee weapons

[tame lodge]

Does vet have enough attack speed to not make Evis15 a slug

[wild vortex]

why you dissing on everybody's favorite pal numbers cat

[trim tiger]

i wish he had more than 3 weapons period

[tall torrent]

I want Ogryns to have good weapons

[wild vortex]

[radiant chasm]

He has unique weapons and a lot of variants, missing only paul, shield and the break action 3rd

[wild vortex]

oh I agree, we need our powercrept weapons buffed / reworked for real

[tall torrent]

But ogryn is like
There’re 2 good melee weapons
And 1 good ranged weapon

[full nacelle]

Ogryn ranged weapons really need buffs

[trim tiger]

give him the engineer hammer i do not care anymore

[radiant chasm]

(Kickback rumbler are in a disconnected family iirc and won’t get variants anytime soon, thugshot was supposed to be the 3rd)

[full nacelle]

they're so unique but so bad

[wild vortex]

2 ranged I'd say, Kickback and Achlys are on par

[radiant chasm]

Nah

[tall torrent]

Achlys takes 20 shots to kill scab rager without PBB

I’ll let that sink in for a moment

[radiant chasm]

I disagree they are all power weapons

[broken spade]

just always have pbb up

[wild vortex]

yeah but that's never actually a problem in game

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-gif-11785532389901559578

[wild vortex]

you kinda do tbh

[full nacelle]

very festive

[wild vortex]

for melee I guess you're considering all 3 picks as 1 weapon

(which is kinda fair)

[tall torrent]

Gunlugger is limited more by ammo than ability cooldown

And with all due respect

[slow spade]

clearly Ogryn needs autocannons

[trim tiger]

is there anything besides trauma shriek or gunker that makes psyker broken?

[radiant chasm]

Achlys also fires a million times anyways

[tall torrent]

Exe stance Boltgun veteran literally does gunlugger’s job better in basically every way

[slow spade]

oh you haven't seen M1 psyker yet?

[hollow ibex]

M1?

[full nacelle]

Ogryn should have a weapon that's just two lil uns mounted on his shoulders

[wild vortex]

is it

[radiant chasm]

EP or dd assail with the “don’t blow up” scriers node

[trim tiger]

oh yeah i forgot and i will forget agaib

[radiant chasm]

Have fun with risk free gameplay

[slow spade]

M1 psyker is hilarious strong

[radiant chasm]

M1 psyker should be doubletapped

[trim tiger]

literal hacker level numbers

[radiant chasm]

I hate it

[full nacelle]

I ran into my first M1 psyker today and it was hilarious

[tall torrent]

Unlike Gunlugger u actually kill things outside of using ability, can 1 bodyshot every specialist & ranged elite regardless of distance and wipes melee elites & bosses like nothing

[slow spade]

M1 psyker was always a bit on the strong side

now its just insane

[tall torrent]

Oh also u actually have good melee weapons

[radiant chasm]

They should make a flurry staff that charges up barrages of small balls

[wild vortex]

did you just call mk4 Knife on Ogryn bad

[slow spade]

I want a Doombolt staff

[inner temple]

Yes like an lmg

[trim tiger]

BUT ME PICKAXE SAH. BIG SWINGS GO LONG AND HARD

[tall torrent]

Compare that to Karsolas

[slow spade]

because that spell is my bread and butter in DoW1

[tall torrent]

Go on

[wild vortex]

ok fine but I wanna be zoomy when I'm playing glugger

[radiant chasm]

Karsolas is the revolver of melee

If you compare anything to it

[wild vortex]

I use Karl on a hybrid setup personally

[tall torrent]

Karsolas is Rashad but ogryn

[wild vortex]

fair comparison actually

[tall torrent]

There’s no wrong build to run a Karsolas on

[tall torrent]

Karsolas has like +0.13m/s sprint speed

[radiant chasm]

It is completely useless as a comparison when it’s the dominant meta but you can easily clear with a lot of other weapons

[wild vortex]

ehhh thing is, with the pure BLO setup I run, I barely ever use heavies because I don't take the heavy talents

[radiant chasm]

Ogryn feels slower cause perspective but they (movement wise) are about the same as the base humans

[tall torrent]

Yea u can take confident strike + headtaker/slaughterer on Karsolas and it’s still better than cleavers

It is what it is

I want ogryn weapons to be better

[wild vortex]

using Karl without Wrath though

[trim tiger]

the power maul is so sad bro

[tall torrent]

I don’t run wrath on it

Headtaker + slaughterer + heavy hitter

Crazy damage

[radiant chasm]

It was buffed a bit and it isn’t unusable

[wild vortex]

it's a LOT of fun with Wrath

[radiant chasm]

It is good enough now

[radiant chasm]

Meh if you have double strength

You don’t need more cleave

Both ht and slaught give cleave

[slow spade]

I wonder how many weapons on Ogryn would be more viable if they had something like Brutal Momentum

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t change that much cuz

Half the problem is low maniac ADM

[slow spade]

always felt Brutal Momentum is way too strong

[radiant chasm]

Still need to hit the bps and have the swing arcs

[slow spade]

ah

[radiant chasm]

Plus skullcrusher and bm are opposites

[slow spade]

you could likely hit it

[slow spade]

true such is life

[tall torrent]

Shield:

[radiant chasm]

Yea shield is just

The big ole exception

Cause unless it gets slaught or ht

In the future

[tall torrent]

Shield is like the only other good melee outside of Karsolas imo just because it actually kills things

[radiant chasm]

Also the h1 is just the perfect BM swing

Filthy

[trim tiger]

shield model fov is so fucked. make it smaller my god

i cannot SEE shit

[radiant chasm]

Big shield for big man

[slow spade]

Shield is literally the only reason why I brought my low level ogryn to damnations

the Emperor protects

[radiant chasm]

My teeth feel second hand pain seeing the shield H1

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-teeth-break-tooth-gif-13983506

[trim tiger]

unrelated but how would one build for power sword? thinking of ws to offset the bad mobility but have no idea what ranged i could bring

[slow spade]

Brutal Momentum + Power Cycler

[tall torrent]

U take it as budget Rashad for sharpshooter builds

[trim tiger]

NOOOOOOOO

[tall torrent]

That’s pretty much it

[trim tiger]

THIS IS SO SAD

[slow spade]

I take Maniac + Unarmored as perks

[slow spade]

it does save you like 5 points though

[tall torrent]

Ya

[slow spade]

well unless you were going WS

then you might as well pack Rashad

[tall torrent]

Power sword can very casually blow up vs ragers

[slow spade]

Psword is weird vs ragers

I can kill multiple at the same time

or eat shit vs one

[broken spade]

3 dreg ragers catch you by surprise while your sword is uncharged

death

[slow spade]

block and dodge

[tall torrent]

Get charge interrupted by one attack, instant death

[slow spade]

they've never killed me but they have certainly tried

[radiant chasm]

Mk6 can block and charge

[trim tiger]

i hate this sm

[tame lodge]

[trim tiger]

why do i have to Turn On the Sword

[hollow ibex]

Power Sword from Temu

[umbral scaffold]

is there any reason to pick vraks instead of recon?

[tame lodge]

I'm absolutely playing Cleavers for Unstoppable Force shenanigans

[hollow ibex]

Higher dps

[slow spade]

better dps

[tame lodge]

Viag is a Finesse weapon

Brrrr

[tribal jasper]

Is there a best way to get the infilitrate suppression penance?

[tall torrent]

Stealth, run into the middle of a big horde

[tame lodge]

High Intensity games

[pallid lintel]

i just popped it in the middle of a horde

[tribal jasper]

Word. That's what I'm doing, lol

[tame lodge]

20% cdr Maelstrom or something like that

[spark lotus]

What's everyone's opinion on the Graia MK VII Vigilant Autogun? Specifically, the single-shot, DMR-style one.

[thick kestrel]

it's solid. excellent handling, strong damage output on headshots and reasonably ammo efficient.

surprisingly accurate when hip firing to boot.

downside is mostly that it loses a LOT of damage when not doing headshots

[spark lotus]

That's how it feels to play it! Love turning into a room and seeing 20+ gunners/riflemen when I'm wielding one, feels like popping balloons.

I feel like I can turn a meat grinder encounter with tons of ranged damage into a safe zone where my team can deal with the horde as I take down eveything with Executioner Stance, I'm just worried this might be too situational in comparison to the Bolter of Plasma.

[full nacelle]

it's aight! the issue is just that anything it does another gun can do better unfortunately

they really need to up its rending so it can work as a proper sniper against big boys without having to rely on crits

[slow spade]

Uncanny UwU

[tall torrent]

Huh

[full nacelle]

Huh?!

[tall torrent]

Yea, wdym it’s outclassed

[supple stag]

Whar

[slow spade]

outclassed by Plasma UwU

[supple stag]

[tall torrent]

It was outclassing Boltgun before U&L, idk what exactly it’s outclassed in

[full nacelle]

I mean... it's outclassed by bolter now

[supple stag]

Idk I used Graia VII with Exe Stance some time ago and it works wonders

[full nacelle]

it's just a tricky special sniper to use since it really relies on headshots

[tall torrent]

That’s every 1-tap gun ever besides Zarona & Boltgun

[slow spade]

"oops all beasts of nurgle"

[full nacelle]

right but the damage REALLY falls off a cliff if you miss

which just feels bad

it's a fine gun but generally there are better options

[supple stag]

I mean, if you want a DMR it's probably your best bet

[full nacelle]

yep very true

if you like the feel that's all that matters

[tall torrent]

That’s also like, every 1-tap gun ever besides Boltgun & Zarona

[spark lotus]

If I can lay low enough the beast of nurgle turns its back to me though...

But then Plasma does the same thing

[full nacelle]

ok cool did I call it dogwater or did I say it was outperformed by other guns?

you just listed them right there

that's all I was saying

[tall torrent]

?

[full nacelle]

???

I'm confused

[tall torrent]

It’s not outperformed by other guns

[thorn torrent]

??!?!?

[full nacelle]

ok

[tall torrent]

What other gun can kill 4 gunners per second

That aren’t lined up

[full nacelle]

lasguns

[tall torrent]

I’m confused with this “getting outclassed” metric because it’s just not true

[spark lotus]

That is true

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t even come close

[full nacelle]

lasguns can if you shoot them in the head

[tall torrent]

Which lasgun

IX infantry?

[full nacelle]

your pick dude

I don't care

[tall torrent]

I’m just saying that you’re wrong

And now u got this “I don’t care” attitude

[full nacelle]

how about you just say "it's the best for dealing with multiple gunners" and leave it at that

instead of turning it into a debate

[tall torrent]

It’s not a debate because you are wrong at the very start, I’m just showing u why

[full nacelle]

cool do that without being weird about it

[tall torrent]

Yea, I told u that ur wrong and ur telling me lasguns can do that better

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s fair to be giving advice on “this gun is outclassed by others” without knowing what this gun actually does

[full nacelle]

"it's not outperformed by other guns because it can do this one niche thing better if you have perfect accuracy"... oh ok so it is still outperformed by other guns but has a small niche?

I get it

[tall torrent]

What guns outperforms it

I don’t know

Before U&L it was the best semi-auto gun in the game

[full nacelle]

in that small niche, I don't know... outside of that small niche, plasma, boltgun, zarona, etc.

is that really such a crazy thing to say?

[tall torrent]

MG1a didn’t come close when it has barely lower firerate and almost twice as much kill efficiency

And it’s still not outclassed in U&L

[full nacelle]

so the headhunter is better than the plasma?

cool

good to know

[tall torrent]

I never said that?

What’s this petty argument

[broken spade]

reminder

[full nacelle]

you just said it's not outclassed

[tall torrent]

You said it’s beaten out by lasguns of all things

That shows enough that u actually don’t know what ur talking about

[radiant chasm]

comparing things to plasma/revolver/viag makes it so there is only 3 options in the game while in reality it's more like anything besides shredder is more than viable

[full nacelle]

I was just making a point that other guns can do the gunner removal as well and without needing perfect accuracy

[radiant chasm]

also the vigilants are great and i'm using their new name just to annoy

[full nacelle]

that's exactly why I said it's alright just not comparable to the top performing guns

[tall torrent]

They’re called vigilant

[radiant chasm]

it's proper DMR and one of the better guns in the normal lineup

[radiant chasm]

thanks I have drain bamage

[tall torrent]

Like what
Plasma still wants headshots
Boltgun & Zarona are the only exceptions

[radiant chasm]

boltgun and zarona have massive hit boxes

[radiant chasm]

but vigilant 7 is just a great all rounder with good ammo, good damage, what it lacks in cleave it makes up for by being really good at chaining shots one by one

[supple stag]

Boltgun and Zarona have much smaller ammo pool in comparason

[full nacelle]

Yeah it's a great gun for dealing with elites especially

[tall torrent]

Have bodyshot 1 taps
Have much worse ammo economy and have specific build/keystone preferences
Have much slower rate of fire for target rich environments

I’m not sure what gave you the impression that “anything it does is done better by another gun” but that’s just not true

[full nacelle]

because I personally find other special snipers easier to use and stronger outside of that one niche of headshotting back to back elites

it's not some attack on the gun or anyone here

it's an opinion I share and you are welcome to disagree

[tall torrent]

Then don’t be giving that out as advice

[full nacelle]

I will give out my opinion when I feel like

[tall torrent]

Don’t give opinions as advice

That’s all

[narrow frost]

Too much misinformation on darktide

I see it too often

[full nacelle]

most advice is opinion based on objective data with subjective experience

[tall torrent]

Yes but “anything this gun does is done better by another gun” is not supported by objective data

The most u can critique for it is like
It really wants superiority complex

[full nacelle]

then go ahead and say "actually if you have really good accuracy it's the best gun when dealing with elites" and I would go "yeah that's true but I don't like how reliant it is on headshots, but if you like it, go for it! It's still good!"

don't draw this out into some kind of scientific debate

that's nerd shit

[tall torrent]

I’m saying this because ur trying to make YT guide videos and I’d hope you’re spreading accurate information

[full nacelle]

I understand that and I appreciate it but you have to understand, every single time I say something in the guide I make a caveat for why I enjoy it/think it's good and how it differs from the meta and what that provides

I'm not tricking anyone

[tall torrent]

I’d also recommend u give that gun a bit more try

It’s kind of like Boltpistol in terms of breakpoints

[full nacelle]

I specifically go "if you want a meta vraks build here it is" in my build with a full talent tree

[tall torrent]

Except it has better blessing picks for breakpoints

[full nacelle]

tbh the vigilants kind of bore me personally... I like the sniper playstyle but it feels SO bad when you miss or your teammates don't give you space

I appreciate those crazy aimlabs players that make it work though

I like the mk IX variant specifically because it lets me get away with playing without perfect aim

[tall torrent]

Play weapon spec with it

No WS subnodes since u got 23 shots between reloads

It just works

[full nacelle]

Hmm, I could see that... Do you really miss anything from losing Marksman's Focus?

I don't play the vigilants enough to know breakpoints

[tall torrent]

U don’t need MF for breakpoints

[full nacelle]

outside of head = dead

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 ways to build VII v.auto

[full nacelle]

I've always done headhunter + deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

Option one is surgical + deadly accurate

Option two is opening salvo + ghost

[full nacelle]

Oh yeah I confused myself... I'm using the MkIX

yeah surgical for MkVII makes sense

[supple stag]

Surgical + DA with weapon spec my beloved

[tall torrent]

IX is easier to build breakpoints

But has worse kill efficiency

[full nacelle]

honestly I'm gonna have to keep tweaking the build... I feel like I would rather just play my agripinaa IAG build when I use it

you think you'd want Marksman in a headhunter build?

[radiant chasm]

mk3 is amazing for synergies and mk7 is just a solid DMR

[full nacelle]

I'm guessing you would run mk3 in a WS build for the guaranteed string of crits

[tall torrent]

Marksman or MF

[radiant chasm]

i just don't like mk9 when mk3 has better synergies imo

[thorn torrent]

If the bolt pistol underperforms in damnation, should I try out the bolt spearhead instead?

[wild vortex]

Who said it underperforms...

[thorn torrent]

Well, it's not optimal.

[wild vortex]

Brother what are you talking about. Bistol is stupidly powerful

You can 1shot damn near anything with headshots, and 1 body shot all specials

[tall torrent]

It’s not underperforming, it’s just really hard to optimize for breakpoints that you end up with fewer points for melee talents

[clear lantern]

also pistol whipping

[tall torrent]

Nah, doesn’t 1 bodyshot specials for the most part

[wild vortex]

I have definitely bodyshot Trappers with it, bombers and tox bombers obviously, and I think tox flamer too

[tall torrent]

That needs exe stance/crit

[wild vortex]

Oh yeah might have been with stance active true

[full nacelle]

Marksman... friggin Fatshark with these names man

[tall torrent]

Trapper can bleed to death with puncture and 25% maniac

[tall torrent]

Not entirely necessary

Marksman changes like maybe 1 breakpoint (flamer 1HS with opening salvo & marksman active)

But exe stance does the same thing with far less investment

[wild vortex]

I use Surgical DA for my Bistol

[full nacelle]

yeah I guess with exe stance you wouldn't get any use out of it except for bosses

makes sense

[thorn torrent]

Woo, Vet at 30.

I wish lethal proximity seemed to be worthwhile. I wanted to build on the explosion/suppression capability of it, but I have no idea what skills might effect it.

[full nacelle]

it affects grenades

best gun for a grenadier build

[thorn torrent]

Yeah, that's great

I wish there were a simpler breakdown for which skills affect what, lol. I would have never thought it improved grenades.

[hollow ibex]

It’s basically mandatory if you’re doing a grenadier build

[bold patrol]

love being 1 hit from death and dude takes medicae station with almost full health

[broken spade]

the grenade range gets really dumb when you take bistol with that grenade talent that increases shredder nade range

like, it hits every enemy in the psykanium from the middle

[serene bough]

ok, i do think camo for MF keystone is worth taking now

i forget who i was talking to last about this but my opinion has changed

[ocean idol]

But

Bolter is absolutely insane for every enemy type

this other vet

He did amazing with double barrel with Focus Target keystone

and i don't understand why he took it instead of weapon specialist

[delicate helm]

yall im tryna get the full killshot set

i got the pants and torso but i just cant figure out how to do a penance for the helmet

the one where you hit 5 enemies with 1 grenade without it bouncing

[wild vortex]

Ummm you ALSO have a Vet named Fiddler??

[tribal jasper]

im tryin to to do the infiltration penance

[wild vortex]

Hello fellow Malazan lover

[thorn torrent]

Heyy whatcha need for the torso?

[dreamy spade]

Lethal Prox works for all explosions?

[thorn torrent]

Hah, Fiddler is a great name for a vet lol

Malazan ❤️

[delicate helm]

finish a heresy+ mission with no ammo remaining and 90% accuracy

[thorn torrent]

Doom.

[ocean idol]

Was also thinking to make it Whiskeyjack

[delicate helm]

i find that its easiest to just get a common shotgun from brunts armory with a low ammo stat

[ocean idol]

Actually, come to think of it, Hedge may be would be even better

[wild vortex]

My heart

[tall torrent]

It’s very worthwhile
One could even argue it’s the only thing that makes Boltpistol remotely interesting in the current balance

[thorn torrent]

Only if he's grenading.

[ocean idol]

That should also be true for Fiddler

[wild vortex]

Nah Fiddler fought with everything

Short sword, crossbow, grenades

[ocean idol]

actually my agile build includes all greandes buffs + lethal proximity

[ocean idol]

so did Hedge

[delicate helm]

I tried to name my veteran something along the lines of “fodder” or “disposable” in latin, but to no avail

[thorn torrent]

Yeah, they all used those weapons. Hedge was just, uh.

More explodey.

[tall torrent]

I name my veteran “warden”

[thorn torrent]

Remus for mine, now I'm regretting I didn't think of Malazan 🤣

[ocean idol]

I also often name my mages in games Anomander

[ocean idol]

You can rename no problem

[delicate helm]

i like to name my characters something in latin

like, my psyker is named “Ignavus” which sounds cool,

but in reality it’s “Coward” in latin

[thorn torrent]

Ooh, I could make an Ogryn named Caladan. Too bad they don't get giant hammers.

[ocean idol]

they have mauls

and clubs

which are giant for humans

or you could name zealot with thunderhammer Caladan Brood

anyone with knife Crokus/Cutter

black psyker with professional voice Quick Ben

Infiltrator Vet Kalam

i actually name assassins in rpgs Kalam

[deft crystal]

@tall torrent yo

is the slot system explained in the guide

[ancient path]

whats up with the very minimal amount of veterans in auric damnation?

[broken spade]

idk i see them all the time

[placid portal]

Probably just playing other classes

But I hardly find missions who isnt a veteran

[ancient path]

okay. jw because every time i play my zealot, its legit 3x zealots lol

[placid portal]

Had mission with 3 spark edds

[deft crystal]

Idk

I mostly see zealots/psykers now

which is nice

[full nacelle]

there's always a vet in my games

it's me

[deft crystal]

Same

lmfao

[full nacelle]

[deft crystal]

Im quite proud of my name

Vets name is guardsman

but im trying to word play with steel legion

cause thats the main outfit I use

[tall torrent]

No

And it’s kinda hard to explain

[deft crystal]

HAHA

Bad guide

0/10

[full nacelle]

dude

[deft crystal]

doesnt explain everything

Gottem

[full nacelle]

you about you get your ass beat

[deft crystal]

oh 1000%

Im cooked

[full nacelle]

I just had the most toxic ogryn player in my game

[deft crystal]

Toxic ogryn player????

[full nacelle]

died 3 times on his own while everyone else was keeping up with the objective

not very Ogryn-pilled

[deft crystal]

Ive never heard of such a thing

[full nacelle]

yeah this was a first

"you fucking idiots just left me to die"

[deft crystal]

How about u not die

[full nacelle]

everyone sticking together and at the end of the hallway event on Archivum breezing through it together

him going dakkadakka on poxwalkers 30 miles away

I've never seen someone get locked behind the doors during that event

but it is possible

[deft crystal]

Ask chatgpt to explain it

[tall torrent]

Well, the thing is

I actually don’t know how many slots there’re around a player

[deft crystal]

Data miners I call upon you!

[tall torrent]

But as far as I understand it

[serene bough]

aurics are making me work for it tonight

[tall torrent]

Enemies prioritize players closest to them and players that are attacking them

[unborn ridge]

hey guys

whats the best b uild currently

[cosmic prairie]

So what counts as a "chained hit"

[deft crystal]

Enemies calls dibs on a slot. which is a circle. There are circles similair to a target for archery. The inner ring is the standing slot. The outer ring is melee range. The AI will que up other enemies behind the current attacking enemies. So when you stun the current attacking enemies with the two slots in front of you with a pushback you stun the qued enemies as well.

As long as you keep them all to one side

I think this is an accurate desc

Only issue is its better w diagrams

[tall torrent]

Not entirely accurate

Because there’s a thing called flanking behaviour

[deft crystal]

I meant to add keep them all to one side

Cause its not a mech u can really

use as ainz said

you just play around it

[unborn ridge]

Guys in ur opinions what are the best current builds for veteran or best weps?

[tall torrent]

Flanking behaviour is active for out-of-coherency / lone players

[tall torrent]

What weapons do u like

[deft crystal]

Even if alone you can kite them to all one side tho

[deft crystal]

PLasma gun w combat axe

[tall torrent]

Yes, they’ll still continue to try to flank u

[deft crystal]

is easiest and sleepy

[unborn ridge]

a like a mostly the lasgun recon and the autoguns. i dont dislike plasma but my plasma has sht charge rate

[deft crystal]

Cant you move at a snails pace so they never really get around you?

Imma need to test this in game

[tall torrent]

No, u can do meat grinder tests over and over

Meat grinder tests always have flanking behaviour

They’ll keep trying to surround u

[deft crystal]

They always try to flank even if in coherency though right?

Due to slots being full

This may be just me nit picking specific situations tho

[tall torrent]

No

Enemies prioritize nearby players

And players that are attacking them

This is why if u have low profile, the enemies u hit will still attack u

[ancient path]

for field improve, do i need to set the medi pack / ammo crate down?

[austere mica]

It’s teamwide

[ancient path]

weird.

i had a pysker with corruption walk into a medi crate field with me having field improv and it wasn't working

unless its something w/ pyskers

[slow spade]

was it a full wound gone?

[ancient path]

yea

[slow spade]

it doesn't heal past wounds

[ancient path]

oooh

okay

[slow spade]

yeah it'd be broken as fuck if it could revert wounds

[ancient path]

haha fair

ty

[slow spade]

np

[deft crystal]

itd be so nice tho

[serene bough]

@tall torrent what do you use for knife blessings currently

right now im running uncanny + riposte

[slow spade]

I agree it should UwU

[unborn ridge]

guys for weapons

what are the best weapons beside plasma

[tall torrent]

Riposte + mercy/flesh/precog

[serene bough]

you dont use uncanny w/ shredders?

[tall torrent]

Melee
Knife 6
Duelling sword 4
Combat axe 3
Power sword 6
Heavy sword 9

Ranged
Revolver 2a
Infantry auto 5
Recon 12 & 14
Boltgun
Plasma

These are the top performers

[tropic abyss]

shovel

[dreamy spade]

Idk what to take for plasma blessings

Rising heat is free damage

But focused cooling allows blaze away to be better. But gets hot allows focused cooling to be better...

[hollow ibex]

Take bolter instead

[dreamy spade]

[thorn torrent]

Combat knife is top performing? Neat.

[tall torrent]

If u play blaze away, get optimized cooling

[ancient path]

oh heavy sword is good?

thats cool

[tall torrent]

Low point cost horde clear & anti-rager

[dreamy spade]

Huh

[tall torrent]

Optimized cooling reduces continuous shots’ heat generation

[verbal burrow]

I saw an inspirational video today

[tame lodge]

Yup
Just avoid bleed blessings and always aim for the head

[verbal burrow]

Whilst we were out getting degrees and fulfilling contracts, he was mastering the starter weapon:
https://youtu.be/xbiIYVtuUkw?si=zFfcKOZA_XmfO3P_

[thorn torrent]

Im assuming I should be running it anyway since I'm doing a stealth build.

[tall torrent]

He’s in this server actually

[serene bough]

@tall torrent why not uncanny w/ shredder frag synergy

[dreamy spade]

By how much? The wording is trash it makes no sense

Fatshark

[tall torrent]

I reject uncanny for how strong it is

[verbal burrow]

If you see him around, tell him I respect the single-minded dedication

[serene bough]

ah i see

[ancient path]

hows chainsword rn?

[thorn torrent]

What do you use instead of uncanny?

[tall torrent]

Check my guide, I can’t remember the exact value off the top of my head
At 69% thermal resist it gives u 11 continuous shots instead of 8

[dreamy spade]

Mag dumping

Eh

[tall torrent]

Plasma blessing is either
Gets Hot!

• Rising Heat / Gloryhunter / Focused Cooling

Or
Blaze away + optimized cooling

[dreamy spade]

Does optimized cooling work for non continuous fire?

[tall torrent]

No

But neither does blaze away

[verbal burrow]

This video description is profound too

[analog yacht]

i think if you're not 'blazing away' there're better options for weapon, is the idea

[tall torrent]

Horde clear one trick (poxwalkers & groaners)

[analog yacht]

build the plasma to do what it does well

[placid portal]

He do be Pew Pew

[analog yacht]

instead of turning it into a scuffed zarona

[ancient path]

yeah fair. i kinda get bullied by ragers with it

so im curious on heavy sword for my melee vet build

[verbal burrow]

Those are plot spoilers

[placid portal]

😔

Apologies I spoiled the best part

[analog yacht]

on that note what's the strat for sustained fights vs ragers with rashad. ik PA staggers them but sometimes you get one of those waves of like 12 of them

[ancient path]

what blessing should i use for heavy sword?

[analog yacht]

[ancient path]

bet

[dreamy spade]

Rendering and bromentum

[ancient path]

bromentum lol

[deft crystal]

@full nacelle I just had a game of 3 vets

[tall torrent]

Don’t take it for ragers

[deft crystal]

me included

and man did we clear w no issues

[verbal burrow]

Wait, there's weapons for guardsmen which have Momentum?

[ancient path]

i take it for the drip

bolt pistol + chainsword rp

[tall torrent]

Which variant

[deft crystal]

Nooo take the dueling sword!!

[verbal burrow]

❤️ fellow chainsword lover

[ancient path]

duno. never used one. got a recommend?

[full nacelle]

the guard never surrenders 💪

[deft crystal]

I keep telling people chainsword is the best melee in game

[ancient path]

i want to but its kinda funny going into auric damnation and everyone has a dueling sword.

[tall torrent]

9, deathblow + headtaker

[deft crystal]

but noone believes me

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum

[verbal burrow]

All-Guardsman Party is the dream tbh

[verbal burrow]

Aw I got excited for a moment

[deft crystal]

200+ over toughness

Yk what forget it

who here down for auric mael

4 vets

les go

[verbal burrow]

I would but it's past midnight and I have to work tomorrow

[deft crystal]

thats fine

was planning on na west

sooo

you wouldve died to trappers

24/7

[tall torrent]

It unfortunately isn’t even close

[deft crystal]

Shhhhh

[verbal burrow]

It's not the best but it's very fun

[deft crystal]

let me live in my delulu

I want my weapons to make cool noises

[unborn ridge]

guys

is charge rate not important on plasma?

[deft crystal]

and power sword is boring cause i used it to much

[deft crystal]

no

cause u spam it

dont bother charging

[unborn ridge]

so its the dump stat?

[deft crystal]

ye

[unborn ridge]

what are the

blessings?

[deft crystal]

ignore the overkill

It just how it is sum times

[tall torrent]

It is

[unborn ridge]

._.

[tall torrent]

No

[unborn ridge]

people saying it is other people saying its not

xD

[tall torrent]

Stop with this misinformation

[deft crystal]

This is mine

and it works fine

[tall torrent]

It’s ass

[deft crystal]

All I do is spam it

[tall torrent]

Plasma is the only gun in the game without dump stats

[analog yacht]

if I had it my way I could run d.claw + v.autogun7/i.las9 but fatshark hates me specifically

[tall torrent]

You can look at my guide for details

It wants a specific distribution

[deft crystal]

bro i dont even know I just share what i know and have seen work

[analog yacht]

i guess if you desperately want to dump something you could dump thermal res so you can spam out your 8 shots asap then just go back to melee

[deft crystal]

chainsword is a meme cause yk we all know its bad

[analog yacht]

but for only 9% getting 3 more shots is pretty good

[tall torrent]

Refer to my guide for info

[deft crystal]

No!

i refuse

I will go through the learning process

[tall torrent]

Then don’t be weird when I call u out for being wrong

[deft crystal]

Im not thoooo 😭

[tall torrent]

U are wrong tho

[broken spade]

Every stat on plasma is useful
Something you can drop with minimal consequence is bringing thermal res down to 69
Which leaves you enough to get charge rate up to 71

charge rate affects firerate of normal shots

[deft crystal]

o no im saying im not weird when im wrong

like if im wrong then im wrong

[tall torrent]

Just use the guide

[unborn ridge]

lol

i got a god roll

plasma

[tall torrent]

Show

[unborn ridge]

it has the stats you have in ur guide

[tall torrent]

69-71?

Nice

[umbral scaffold]

WiFi bad, bad WiFi make me sad

[broken spade]

you've won

[tall torrent]

Now hope hadron doesn’t change the stat potential as you empower it

[unborn ridge]

wait what

[umbral scaffold]

Darktide servers are a bit rough but you don’t notice it on good internet back home

[broken spade]

watch hadron brick it by changing the 69 to 68

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s a bit buggy

[broken spade]

yes empowering has a chance of just randomly changing the stat potential
weird annoying bug

i have had up to 3% changes happen from it on a single weapon

[deft crystal]

idk charging plas seems ammo inefficient and risk u blowing up

[tall torrent]

68 still can be fine

As long as it can fire 8 shots continuously

[unborn ridge]

so ur not supposed

[broken spade]

no one is telling you to charge the plasma gun

[unborn ridge]

to spam l

on plasma

[broken spade]

the uncharged shots speed up from charge rate

[tall torrent]

Charge rate affects uncharged shots’ pre-fire delay which changes rate of fire and therefore dps

There’s about an 8.5% firerate difference going from 60% charge rate to the optimal 71% charge rate

I’ll let u be the judge on whether 8.5% attack speed makes a difference

[broken spade]

actually interesting fact is if you mod the plasma crosshair to the psyker staff crosshair, you can see the bar filling up while charging
even for the uncharged shots

[tall torrent]

69% thermal resist does basically nothing for the gun

Unless u go for blaze away + optimized cooling but I don’t play that and I never tested that

Making one godroll plasma is hard enough I’m not making another

[broken spade]

sorry now you gotta test every thermal res number to check

[tall torrent]

Plasma is exclusively a left click gun

[tribal jasper]

idk i use the right click a couple times a match for crushers

[broken spade]

charged shots cost 3x the ammo

[tribal jasper]

didnt know that lol

[broken spade]

yeah it's kinda fucked up

[tribal jasper]

thats ridiculous, should be like 1.5x or 2x at the most

[unborn ridge]

then why are u talking about charge rate

[tall torrent]

Charged shots use 9 ammo (3x as much) and don’t deal as much damage as 3x regular shots

[unborn ridge]

xD

[tall torrent]

#veteran-class message

Read?

[broken spade]

only time i could imagine charging is if you have literally nothing to do, have plenty of ammo, and are waiting for a boss to turn a corner and want to burst it down

this has never happened to me btw

[tribal jasper]

thought charge time also effected left click, no?

[tall torrent]

It does

[unborn ridge]

im readying ur guide

but it doesnt say anythng about the stats on each wep

it shows the ideal stats

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s necessary for me to explain why you have to go XYZ on each stat as most would only care about what stat distribution to go for

And I just explained plasma above

[unborn ridge]

aight

[unborn ridge]

do u have a cool braced autogun/ recon lasgun build to share?

also does lasguns ignore flak armor?

[tall torrent]

Which recon do u prefer

[tall torrent]

No

[dreamy spade]

Yall saying lethal prox increases nade radius, I assume this is only when the gun is out

Why does it have to be bolt pistol

[thorn torrent]

Apparently not?

Doesnt have to be out supposedly!

[tall torrent]

No, works always

Even when the gun isn’t in ur hand

[dreamy spade]

Ive got all frag nade talents lol

the stationary bolt pistol

[hollow ibex]

Good to know

[arctic rampart]

Greetings varlets

[slow spade]

yeah its confusing because the blessing gives a buff when your gun is out

[clear lantern]

80% damage, 75% everything else then.

[hollow ibex]

lol yah I assumed it needed to be out as a result

[slow spade]

no you want 80% stopping power too

[slow spade]

yeah same

thankfully the guide and some testing gave me the data I needed

[dreamy spade]

Do people use macro to spam bolt?

[slow spade]

yes

otherwise the M1 psyker build would be miserable

[tall torrent]

No

[clear lantern]

then something is getting dumped

[tall torrent]

It straight up does not have a dump stat

[slow spade]

charge rate and thermal are the safest to dump

one day 100% in all stats plasma...

[clear lantern]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

That is still not correct

[slow spade]

again, you want 80% stopping power

[tall torrent]

Because u do actually want max stopping power & ammo

And going above a specific value in thermal resist is all waste

[broken spade]

.

[slow spade]

damage dump stat uwu

[broken spade]

dump the whole gun and use ethical weapons like autopistol

[clear lantern]

then something's getting dumped for being worse off from it

[unborn ridge]

the 3 one i thnk

lemme check

isnt the accatran mkxii the best?

[tall torrent]

XII is technically best if you’re willing to put every talent point towards it

Otherwise XIV is usually better

[unborn ridge]

i see i wanna try both then

[tall torrent]

There actually just isn’t idk why that’s so hard for u to accept

[unborn ridge]

u got a build for them? :3

[broken spade]

plasma has half a dump stat that can't be dumped past a certain point, and another stat that you just cope with dumping a little of because dropping anything else would be worse

[tall torrent]

What aura & ability do u want

[unborn ridge]

the better one to carry people xD

[tall torrent]

Idk, be specific?

[unborn ridge]

i guess voice of command is everyones favorite

used to run executioners stance because it gave huge dps boost

[analog yacht]

rashad + zarona is the best vet build in the game rn I believe

[broken spade]

voice of command is gonna be the easiest to carry with

[analog yacht]

you have an answer to mostly everything

weakspot is lesser ranged but shout + iron will kinda just negates them

[tall torrent]

For XII
Power sword / duelling sword

[unborn ridge]

ahh isnt the

combat blade 3 the best option?

interesting whats the easiest option power sword or dueling

[fleet garden]

duelling has worse horde clear but the single target dmg is insane

my fuck you build is duelling sword+bolter atm

[uncut pebble]

You draw it and it immediately locks your feet to the floor.

[placid portal]

You can single handedly fight so many ragers with dueling sword

Guranteed stagger on heavy special loop

[fleet garden]

I just one tap them

[tropic abyss]

how's the heavy sword?

[sleek garden]

i keep losing matches thinking im not doing good enough and then i look at the scoreboard mod and im way overperforming

[unborn ridge]

bolter is also good single target?

[sleek garden]

you ever see someone say something in the game text chat that makes you want to strangle them instantly

[slow spade]

"Hello :D"

[low vault]

What’s the best devils claw mark? For horde clear mostly

[dreamy spade]

don't use it

[low vault]

I’m trying to max out all my mastery for penance points

[dreamy spade]

1 has heavy sweeps

but 4 is best

[slow spade]

Mk1 is pure horde clear

Mk4 and 7 are just different flavors of moveset

[upbeat snow]

what relics do i use with that new commissar build?

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with 3x stamina curios 😎

[low wagon]

I spend long time testing, optimising and figuring out recon build ...and mine is exactly the same.

Though I use Heavy Sword with it - not because it's better than PSword or Dueling (obviously), but because I want to play other things too ;d

No, wait, not exactly - I have For the Emperor instead of +50% suppression!

And I recommend it for the moments when you need spike of dmg.

[shadow dagger]

that was way more effort than it was worth

but it was fun i guess

join in progress on a specialist mutie hound cooldown maelstrom at the last minute or so

[broken spade]

"hewo :3"

[sleek garden]

90 billion people in tertium

how many have wekilled so far

[low wagon]

What Blessings are you using on Recon? I tested out extensively DumDum + Deathspitter and DumDum + Infernus - and even though Deathspitter looks great on paper, Infernus was better in testing.

Obviously it's better against bosses, crushers, but I also created test scenario with 12 reapers:
Infernus variant killed them in 23 s,
Deathspitter variant killed them in 29 s

[slow spade]

Not enough

Probably around like 5 billion people by now

[orchid hemlock]

Oh my lord https://youtu.be/lDOKgV69KwM?si=PD4OTVclx0UTLAf_

It actually keeps getting worse

[slow spade]

Now knowing the slot system did make me a better melee fighter

But I'm not sure I trust Tanner to explain it to me...

[shadow dagger]

the nade build is fun but missing out on survivalist hurts like nobodys business

iunno if i can afford to grab it though

i could probably just drop tinkerer without feeling too bad about it

[orchid hemlock]

One shot krak build is funny on bosses

[low wagon]

just play it when you are with another vet

[orchid hemlock]

The only problem with it, is that it's completely overkill on everything else

[low wagon]

duo with mod? which one?

[shadow dagger]

no mod

the bots just sorta didnt show up in leaderboard

[low wagon]

ah, they sometimes indeed are too embrrassed

[low wagon]

the information is good and his presentation improved greatly in last few videos

[orchid hemlock]

Where u paid by tanner?

🤔

[sleek garden]

most deadly enemy:scab mauler

shows poxwalker

[low wagon]

yeah, two shipping containers full of untraceable bills

[unborn ridge]

and for a autogun?

[serene bough]

wat

[low wagon]

2 or 3 stamina curios and something like

[shadow dagger]

what

[unborn ridge]

u guys dont like using the last perks xD

[inner temple]

Wym its getting worse?

[low wagon]

that's baseline;
you can add Desperado or +10% melee damage node to reach breakpoints for Rashad (unarmored / flak) or PSword mk VI (carapace / elites)
you can spend point more to grab kraks if you like them
you can get toughness node to offset missing toughness on curios

obilgatory 3x stamina regen, 3x combat ability regen

the idea is to have shitload of stamin, regen it rapidly via .5 s quicker +30% stamina regen and via talents like duck and dive - and use that stamina to deal shitload of damage with vrask (formerly columnus)

I also really like going for Weapon Specialist and Invigorated - so you use up all stamina shooting and when you swap to melee you immediately have stamina back for fighting
...but it's expensive skill-point-wise, you have to give up something else for it

you can also use those two points to grab Marksman's Focus and one enhancement (I would get Camouflage)

[midnight totem]

Ugh. Had a miserable run fail

[low wagon]

You can't really afford to fit Focus Target there...

[midnight totem]

Auric Smelter. We finished it too

Just had to run to extraction

But we were forced to take cover in the opposite end of the map

[dusty nacelle]

I haven't played in a really long time and I have no idea what's good anymore, is this a decent tree for a plasma gun vet? What should I change in it?

[midnight totem]

At the end, as we left to cross the area, gunners popped up 360 all around us, including right behind

[shadow dagger]

for the emperor is kind of a fake talent isnt it

[midnight totem]

Yup

[shadow dagger]

its like 5sec of bonus per shout which is uncharacteristically awful for being in the same row as reciprocity

though i guess it just has big shoes to fill

[midnight totem]

Well it's okay really

[dusty nacelle]

I'll get rid of for the emperor then

[midnight totem]

Given how frequently you can shout

[dusty nacelle]

Thoughts on competitive urge?

[midnight totem]

Too random

[dusty nacelle]

What about marksman? Seems similar to for the emperor

ik power functions differently from other damage buffs

[low wagon]

Looks good, but:

• I would get Reciprocity instead of top left nodes
• I would get suppression immunity instead of Born Leader (plasma is pinpoint accurate at any range ...if you are not suppressed)

[midnight totem]

Marksman can be strong

But it is for specific builds

If you ever see like

A helbore 3 or a revolver delete a boss/crusher

It's usually because of marksman build shenanigans

[low wagon]

And make sure to change crosshair to dot, so you can snipe heads with it at any range.
There is mod for it, but it was also added by fatshark to options, albeit with worse functionality.

[dusty nacelle]

Wait oh my god, +5% crit chance for 8 secs on successful dodge stacking up to 25%? I can't believe I didn't see that before 😭

Would this build also be viable to use with an IAG or should I also make a separate tree for that?

[low wagon]

And it's crit chance for ranged to, and I'm pretty sure it works on dodging ranged fire.

It's single talent you take on every vet build.

[midnight totem]

It would be viable

Probablybnot optimal for the former columus iag

But good enough with the agrippina

[verbal burrow]

Usually people go down the middle until they obtain toughness shout and then splurge feastily on the bottom parts of the tree

[low wagon]

Not really without onslaught. But few messages above I wrote out really good IAG build, check it out.

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter wins in most cases because you’re generally shooting at things that give u stacks more easily

Infernus has notably better boss dps, but otherwise doesn’t change TTK too much (veteran damage is high enough to kill before infernus’ burn DOT does anything noteworthy)

[verbal burrow]

Plasma doesn’t really suffer noticeably from suppression

[tall torrent]

There’re a lot of things u should change for that

[verbal burrow]

Two AM for me so ima leave this to Class Pins

[dusty nacelle]

This is what i've swapped it to

[dusty nacelle]

i'll check this out thoo

[orchid hemlock]

Infernus has the benefit of upfront damage on isolated targets I actually prefer it

It saves ammo as well because I have a mod that tells me how much stacks of debuff all of the elites have. So once they reach 12 stacks I immediately just do something else

In mixed hordes deathsplitter really shines

Infernus would be the best blessing by far tho if onslaught can proc on multiple targets 😔

[tall torrent]

Don’t run 8 stacks