veteran-class

[arctic rampart]

The 5% hp node under kraks? I almost never take that

Or do you mean the top tree? Middle one too good there.

[radiant chasm]

No the curios

But since i have 1 21% hp, i don’t need the 15% hp for the wound bps for snipers/bursters

[arctic rampart]

Thats fully a preference. For me 5% hp seems mathmatically worse than 12% stamina regen, 15% sprint effic, and especially 4% combat ability regen.

[terse idol]

4% combat ability regen stinky imo

[arctic rampart]

If you don't run voice of command?

[slow spade]

depends

if you use Exec Stance? yeah its pretty shit

VoC and Infiltrate with the 2 charges upgrade like it

[terse idol]

Voc resets itself wo like ehhh

[arctic rampart]

VoC is like one of the best things in the game. Legit might be the strongest option you can take for any class. Being in coherency and having more VOC is probably the highest winrate difference you can choose to make

so 4% more of them is just strong

[slow spade]

I'd argue killing things matters more UwU

[arctic rampart]

ok yes, aiming for the head instead of the foot matters more

but assuming it is apples to apples more VoC is extremely strong

[faint beacon]

See the thing is when you run Tactical Awareness

You literally always have VOC ready

[radiant chasm]

Yes and sprint effic is never worth it over toughness imo

[arctic rampart]

It is not always ready. It is very often more ready. But 4% more is still really strong

[radiant chasm]

Unlike badly played smite and chorus, voc still helps your dps

[arctic rampart]

Agreed tactical awareness is clutch always take it talent, same as iron will. If you dont take it you're doing it wrong !

[faint beacon]

If you stack 3 4%’s it really only shaves like 3 seconds

[radiant chasm]

Activates all your talents and doesn’t interrupt your dps and clears a ton of space

[faint beacon]

It’s not crazy

I suggest doing something more critical

[arctic rampart]

Like?

[primal zealot]

Implying I don’t use for the exclusive purpose of knocking bosses off cliffs

[radiant chasm]

Vet curios issue is not a lot is critical

[arctic rampart]

If you say gunner resistance or toughness regen

5% health over 4% abiltiy cooldown reduction? neverever

[faint beacon]

Gunner resist, Flat Toughness/HP, Stamina Regen imo

Been more leaning into stamina regen so i can push more cause that’s one of Veterans big weaknesses

[hollow ibex]

Ability cooldown isn’t necessary on vet given how strong the recharge talent is

[arctic rampart]

3x ability cooldown, 3x stam regen is what eeveryone takes

[hollow ibex]

Def not lol

[slow spade]

stam regen maybe

ability cooldown? no

[faint beacon]

I do 1 gunner, 2x stam

[hollow ibex]

I do 9x ordo dockets

[slow spade]

true

[faint beacon]

To make up for the removal of vanguard

[arctic rampart]

Thank you Sirosky for the /thread. Guess it's time to go back to work

[hollow ibex]

Ordo docket meta 🔥

[arctic rampart]

The emp wills it!

[faint beacon]

Cash money

[karmic musk]

Anyone know what is the general perk combo for Spearhead Boltgun?

[hollow ibex]

I like sitting on my hoards of mourningstar cryptocurrency

[karmic musk]

I have it on Flak/Maniac

[terse idol]

Well like

Because 4% of a low cooldown imo doesn't dooooo much

And I've talked about running like

3 of the 4%

30s of 4%

1.2 seconds

[hollow ibex]

And then you kill a single elite and shave 6s off lol

[terse idol]

Yeag

Oop run it back

On auric damn it doesn't often matter how precise you are, there's just thaat many enemies

[candid agate]

just like that one cod mission

[full nacelle]

You have it right. The pinned guide has a massive list of what's thought of as the optimal setups for every weapon if you ever have questions.

[deft crystal]

having chat gpt make a build

then using it

10/10 idea

[full nacelle]

duuuude

do it

I want to see what it comes up with

[deft crystal]

SAME

one second

[stoic thorn]

I HATE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE

[deft crystal]

IM COMMITING HERESY

AI is heretical

[full nacelle]

it's telling me to run Lasgun with Shotgun...

[slow spade]

that's not even heresy though :p

[broken spade]

it's not even gonna make enough sense to copy it but lets see what it cooks

[full nacelle]

I'll get right on that

[deft crystal]

it told me to use las gun or the helbore

OH ITS OUTDATED

ITS STILL ON THE TIER SYSTEM

[full nacelle]

mine told me to use two ranged weapons

[deft crystal]

We are so cooked

[full nacelle]

oh ok

thanks chatGPT

very cool

much better

Lasgun/Autopistol meta

[deft crystal]

Playstyle
With this build, the focus is on ranged damage output and ammo sustain, allowing you to hold down firing lanes and clear elites efficiently. Utilize your ult frequently, as Counterfire now has a significant impact in both crit uptime and target priority. Keep enemies at range, conserve your melee as a last resort, and coordinate with your team for grenade support.

This setup is optimized for higher difficulty missions, where the rebalanced talents can shine in elite-heavy situations. Enjoy the flexibility and power!

it even gave me a playstyle

[full nacelle]

Why does your chatGPT actually try though?

Mine just said "yeah idk run two guns and like shoot better"

[deft crystal]

I trained mine well

[full nacelle]

mine has heart

but no brain

[deft crystal]

its trying so hard

Well it did tell me to put thrust and savage sweep

[shadow dagger]

okay why does twinned blast not send the original nade in the intended direction

sigh

[deft crystal]

are we this starved for content

[candid agate]

is it normal to want to kill whoever designed trappers

[copper cedar]

Hey vets, I've a MK 12 recon las and ii'm wondering what the ideal perk/blessing combo is. Infernus for fire stacks is a no brainer, but what else, dumdum?

[deft crystal]

yea

although

dumdum and deathspitter

would be better

[copper cedar]

mmm... that would fuck

yeah?

i'll give it a shot then

what about perks

flak and unarmored or?

^ I usually default to those if i dont know better

[deft crystal]

maniac and unyielding

flak / unyielding

[copper cedar]

good shout

[deft crystal]

depends

u want to deal with ragers or mutants

[umbral scaffold]

I prefer maniac but yeah for some classes I do that for melee weapons or unarmored and Flak

Depends on the weapon and shit

[deft crystal]

weapon is recon las

[shadow dagger]

depends

are they the same person who designed tox bombers

if not, then nah

[cold berry]

of all the specials they could've designed
they put tox bombers in?!

yes more anti-fun please

[strange patrol]

damn I remembered why Vet is so annoying to play in quickplay, Ogryns body blocking everything every time every where.

[shadow dagger]

I believe the guide lists all the weapons and their ideal perks/blessings

first one in pinned messages

[shadow dagger]

what?

[strange patrol]

Friendly Ogryn or whatever they're called.

[shadow dagger]

if you can't see elites or specials, you can tag through their bodies

if you can't see un taggable enemies, they die to basic melee anyways

[inner temple]

Yup

Unless they're armored elites

[strange patrol]

Recon Lasgun can shoot through allies?

[wild vortex]

so uh, how are the duelling swords? I've never used them because never played Psyker, but I've seen some Vets using them. In which build-archetypes do they work well?

[tropic notch]

On vet I use it with weapons specialist

[hollow ibex]

Everything can shoot through allies now, including ogryns

[hollow ibex]

They do everything, though horde clear is mid

[wild vortex]

[hollow ibex]

Stupidly powerful at everything else

[wild vortex]

and which is the "best"? I realize that could be subjective but still

[hollow ibex]

Mk IV

[wild vortex]

when you say horde clear is mid, is it because the combos are bad, the damage is low, or what?

[hollow ibex]

It’s a bit slower than stuff like PS or Rashad

But in practice it’s totally fine

[strange patrol]

Does friendly damage matter at all?

[shadow dagger]

bro the message right above that mentioned elites 😭

[hollow ibex]

You got good mobility and very strong single target damage

[hollow ibex]

Nah unless you’re griefing with barrels or something

[shadow dagger]

you get a voiceline if you do it too much but otherwise there's no consequences

[grand perch]

just played the current auric maelstrom and the entire team got recplaed...twice. everyone kept dying and leaving

a shamefur display

[tame lodge]

Mk 2

[tame lodge]

The SECOND target damage is low

So is the third yadda yadda

[wild vortex]

I see

[tame lodge]

So bring frags

The alternative is the Rampage blessing

But it's not the meta blessing rn

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tsh-gif-15316974727340266002

Watching a match rotate 4 groups of people before it ends

[shadow dagger]

watching 8 people join and leave a iiiveg hab dreyko before we even hit the first airlock

[misty turtle]

so i just unlocked this penance mid-game - resupply allies "for replenishing 5000 total ammo to allies using scavenger"

but scavenger isn't even in the game anymore

and i don't use survivalist on any build

i was not getting any progress in it for years anyway so i figured it was bugged lol

[primal zealot]

Penances do be like

[grand perch]

probably counted ammo you got from a teammates aura

[grand perch]

as rennick says, at least theyre easily replacable

[thick bear]

I've only been Auricing on my zealot and psyker, only got my vet to 30 last night 😅 can def see that though

[faint beacon]

So true

[loud flower]

fellow vets, is a granade focus vet build viable?

[slow spade]

yes

[shadow dagger]

its not unusable

but very few things are in this game

[slow spade]

you can go full meme with Bolt Pistol + DUeling Sword (Uncanny)

[shadow dagger]

i run shovel because im a wuss that cant deal with hordes properly to save my life

but anything to deal with armor would do just fine

[loud flower]

I am trying to put together a arbites build, slug shotty+eletric mace

and i am thinking that granade focus might be the last piece

[earnest bone]

me

for 2 weeks now

[hollow ibex]

Actual grenade focus requires a lot of talents

[slow spade]

30 in fact

UwU

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-look-hint-allusion-eyes-gif-15443059

Unfortunate how all the nade talents are scattered across the tree

[umbral scaffold]

Veteranised

[earnest bone]

im sorry, Mr. Fieldimprove, but 10% melee damage gives me like 4 frikkin breakpoints for DS4

[loud flower]

who even need keystones

[umbral scaffold]

What is that

crime?

[tall torrent]

What build

[loud flower]

Granade focus vet, i am thinking to myself how to do it

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t have mobility stat

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

Take focus target because Boltpistol breakpoints are messed up and it needs it

[shadow dagger]

what does rending strikes let dclaw hit bp wise

[earnest bone]

wat are ze focus ta-thing you talkin abut

tho 100% crit also helps

with bp

[tall torrent]

I’m personally not a fan of relying exclusively on crits for breakpoints

[earnest bone]

its bearable with headshots (noncrit)

shotgunner is 1 shotheadshot

dregragers 2

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s still relying exclusively on crits for breakpoints

It’s genuinely missing like 5~8% damage

[midnight totem]

What weapon

[tall torrent]

boltpistol

[earnest bone]

FS boltpistol 8% damage buff, pls, ty

i didnt try run'n'gun yet, its still lethal + puncture

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrentis this correct? 🤔

I thought CD was the dump for DS

[midnight totem]

Ah

I have a pretty reliable bolt pistol setup

[tall torrent]

Defences (V) is easier dump
Cleave damage (II & IV) is ok

U can do with all 3

[orchid hemlock]

wait DS has defense?

[shadow dagger]

non mk4 has defense

[tall torrent]

Only V has defences
The other 2 have cleave damage instead

[shadow dagger]

whats a decent dclaw ranged weapon pairing that doesnt vacuum up talents

does dclaw need an anti armor actually

i cant remember how well parries do vs carapace

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Works, not a great idea

[orchid hemlock]

2 has cleave

[orchid hemlock]

wait so on the 4 specially what is better?

[tall torrent]

I dumped mobility

[shadow dagger]

i think im working with this as like a baseline but i cant think of a good ranged off the top of my head

[orchid hemlock]

why?

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s as big of a boost
U can dump either?

[orchid hemlock]

hmmm 🤔

my brain hurts 😔

I'll discuss this in Zealot chat then

[shadow dagger]

reset the counter of days since i last remembered the plasma exists

sigh

i guess im pairing dclaw with ol reliable

is competitive urge as much value as i feel like it would be

or is it just not worth taking over bring it down most of the time

[orchid hemlock]

how many targets can DS cleave thru?

[slow spade]

it activates when you don't need it

its pretty shit

[tall torrent]

4.5 on light

[earnest bone]

depends on melee, but braced autoguns dont really on anything

just pure raw power + cleave

and shit crit/finesse modifiers

[shadow dagger]

doesnt pair well enough with dclaw since i kinda need anti armor

[earnest bone]

yeah

[shadow dagger]

decided to be boring and run plasma

[tall torrent]

Boltgun

[ocean idol]

What each shotgun is good for?

[hearty panther]

Lawbringer is the best at being a shotgun.
Agrippina is the best for anti-shooters and the slug has some utility for long range shots, crusher staggering, and Bulwark opening
Kantrael uhhhh

well it exists

and we appreciate it showing up

[shadow dagger]

with the build template i started with above i think id have to drop like idk tac reload or sumn

[ocean idol]

Do any of them can be used for anti horde?

[hearty panther]

Lawbringer special

[tame lodge]

Kantrael/Accatran is pretty good at suppressing

[hearty panther]

Kantrael technically should but it's just such shit

oh is it accatran now?

either way its way too expensive on ammo to mulch crowds

that thing only held up til they fixed all the nonsense the fireshot had

[ocean idol]

What blessings should i take on shotties?

[hearty panther]

full bore no respite imo

depending on your build though there's more than a few possibilities

[misty delta]

man-stopper if you’re building for hordes for whatever reason

[shadow dagger]

i gotta either drop duck n dive or desperado if i want tac reload

and iunno if either are worth

[shadow dagger]

what do you think i do here

[misty delta]

duck n dive is a little excessive if you’re not running deadshot

[coarse kelp]

this krak grenade penance is painfully slow

[tall torrent]

Drop duck & dive

[coarse kelp]

i wish it had just a bit more range on the blast

[shadow dagger]

its almost like most of these penances are meant as a convenient reward for exploring builds and playstyles

and not direct objectives to grind and be completed

[coarse kelp]

well its the last one have on vet and i don't like kraks

so it is a grind to complete lol

i'll get it done soon enough, i just wish it was a bit quicker

[hollow ibex]

Tried it again last night and it just feels really bad lol

Hate the lawbringer every time I try it

[hearty panther]

the special is pure gimmick

the actual shotgun though, very nice

[grand perch]

only the funny manstopper scattershot combo is kinda ok

[hollow ibex]

Even the normal fire felt awful

[hearty panther]

just wish the ammo wasnt so scarce

cause the agrip hits similar breakpoints with an extra base 20 rounds in reserve

[hollow ibex]

Coping hard and going to try kantrael shotty again

[hearty panther]

are you using xstance

cause i kinda recommend it

i didnt conclusively crunch all the numbers and outcomes but

xstance two taps reapers and bulwarks, on agrip that's especially easy since special opens their shield and then two shots does the rest

[hollow ibex]

For lawbringer?

I do use it for agri or whatever the slug shot is

[hearty panther]

and all specials drop in one headshot assuming 'reasonable' shotgun ranges of 20ish meters

[hollow ibex]

Mostly a meme build though

I didn’t use exec stance on lawbringer because I went weapon spec

[hearty panther]

yea i feel like that's a trap outside of manstopper memes

it's not like reloading a shell takes that long and one shell = one kill

[hollow ibex]

Not one shotting trappers to the head pissed me off

[scarlet vessel]

neat, even on normal damnation i think im feeling additional grenades from demo team, or just that the 60s replensihed each time

[inner temple]

Throw plenty of nades just incase

[scarlet vessel]

yeah ended up have to actively prevent the nade coutner from sitting at max

only have 1 skill point to spent so demo team might be better than exploit weakness

[inner temple]

I actively throw nades with the 60 seconds. Only time I save is with krak since I only have 2 uses.

[pale pecan]

What build is this?

[atomic zephyr]

what are the best duelling sword blessings?

[shadow dagger]

putting together a dclaw build

this was supposed to be paired with boltgun

but im bad at the game and need my on demand special/elite mr clean magic eraser

and even with one motion boltgun just doesnt feel fast enough

the nightmares are finally over

[umbral scaffold]

Ummm just run a cleave blessing and Crit chance increase per hit blessing…. With unarmored and either flak or Maniac

[shadow dagger]

weird

none of those seem to be on the talent tree we were talking about

[vapid nacelle]

does laspistol have any higher than base critical chance

[ocean idol]

man stopper and what else?

[shadow dagger]

looks like it

[vapid nacelle]

ooh and a good amount too, cool ty

[umbral scaffold]

Can you send me via dm that site please

I wanna see that distribution for my builds please

[shadow dagger]

yeah sure

#veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

[shadow dagger]

pinned messages

first one

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not working

May I receive a dm of it please

[ocean idol]

which one is lawbringer? They renamded them

[hollow ibex]

Spreadshot one

[ocean idol]

and which one is kantrael?

[vapid nacelle]

I am a little surprised Laspistol has such a low rating for bosses

[hollow ibex]

Dragonsbreath round

[full nacelle]

Zarona

[ocean idol]

why it is meh?

It has highest damage

and good accuracy from what i remember

[hollow ibex]

I was saying the lawbringer is meh

The special round isn’t practical in most scenarios

Though is funny when it works

[ocean idol]

Exploits was saying that about kantrael

[hollow ibex]

The primary fire is ammonia hungry with mid dps

[hollow ibex]

Well that’s what I was saying too

All the combat shotguns are mid but i hate the lawbringer

[ocean idol]

so which would you recommend for mostly horde duty?

[hollow ibex]

After in gave it another go last night

[hollow ibex]

Your melee weapon

[atomic zephyr]

i keep fucking jumping when i wanna dodge ugh

time to rebind

[ocean idol]

was first thing i did

[atomic zephyr]

i made a grand mistake and brought a helbore-executioner's stance build to rolling steel

[clear lantern]

oh

[ocean idol]

I don't get why lawbringer wide shot is bad

whenever i tried it it seemed decent to me

[clear lantern]

yeah; I wouldn't do that. I'd bring something with a high rate of fire that can just shoot straight up the train

[atomic zephyr]

i did not read the mission description when quickplay dropped me in

that was the problem

[clear lantern]

like, even a double-barrel or a slug-shotty would have been better

[hollow ibex]

Good against the most trash hordes which are easily dealt with by using melee weapons while severely compromising your dps against actually dangerous enemies

[clear lantern]

recons, braced, and infantry autoguns being preferable.

[hollow ibex]

What’s not to love

[clear lantern]

wide/buck shot does stagger though, right? I'm pretty sure I knocked a crusher on their ass with it

[terse idol]

I've been trolled

[hollow ibex]

The slug can do that, spreadshot doesn’t do shit against most elites

[ocean idol]

LMAO i never knew that if you run into the fan in Relay Station mission before it stops it instakills you

[slow spade]

it was a stealth change

it used to have an invisible wall

now a mutant can toss you into it lol

[vapid nacelle]

Excuse me vet chat I require aid

What are my options for melee weapons that are at least decent for horde clear and can also take care of crushers in a pinch

[tall torrent]

Rashad
Power sword

[vapid nacelle]

I hate power sword so rashad it is

[tall torrent]

Needs 10% atk speed to perform optimally

I hope ur builds have 5 spare points

[vapid nacelle]

not even that, I just hate the feel of having to charge before swings lol

[vapid nacelle]

do the shovels do anything to crushers at all?

out of curiosity

[terse idol]

Sapper shovel can be pretty good vs crushers

[vapid nacelle]

the one that can fold I assume, right?

[vestal widget]

the flip shovels kill crushers pretty okay but don't have that great horde clear and you then would like a gun that does good unyielding damage since they have a crap unyielding modifier iirc

[tall torrent]

they can do some dmg

but not great at it

[vapid nacelle]

makes sense

if the context matters I pretty much exclusively use an infernus laspistol so my boss damage is pretty well covered

[vestal widget]

the folding shovel needs you to invest a bunch of talent points + weapon setup to do the pseudo-oneshot (I think you need nearly all the relevant crusher damage/weakpoint/melee nodes)

[lofty nova]

Vet becoming my new favorite. Concerning Psyker Supremacy.

[tall torrent]

psyker still best class rn unfortunately

[lofty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

Still the melee and stealth on Vet highly survivable and really fun. Just wish i could slap a little more movement speed

[tall torrent]

nah, before U&L turbo buffed psyker, it was veteran for like a year

[lofty nova]

Not like zealot on crack speed but like a but more than base speed

[tall torrent]

psyker just has 1 ultra busted build that outclasses literally everything else rn

[lofty nova]

Gunker was is and always will be superior to vet with scryers

So long as that ability exists

[tall torrent]

what

before U&L?

[lofty nova]

Gun psyker with scryers and columnus melts through everything.

And lots of ammo to spare

[tall torrent]

yea
exe stance veteran kind of does the same thing now

[ocean idol]

Columnus what?

[vapid nacelle]

infantry autogun

[tall torrent]

and tbh

before this update

[ocean idol]

why not vraks

[lofty nova]

How often and how long can sustain it tho?

[vapid nacelle]

I think it was named columnus before

[vestal widget]

i assume they're just using the old name lol

[broken spade]

i think he means vraks

[tall torrent]

really easily?

lol

[broken spade]

name change moment

[vestal widget]

exestance cd is really low and duration can be extended and vet has tactical awareness

[lofty nova]

Idk i didn't play vet only played with

Oh maybe they equals then

[tall torrent]

it's fine

psyker just has 1 build that outclasses everything else rn

[lofty nova]

Yes

[tall torrent]

before U&L it was veteran best class, everybody else at top4

[ocean idol]

What is that build?

[vestal widget]

lmb spam probably

[tall torrent]

EK surge m1 spam

[ocean idol]

Oh yeah

this build is so cringe

[tall torrent]

EK surge m1 beats every other build by like 3x the dmg

[ocean idol]

yet, i outdamaged it last game with purgatus + BB focused build

[tall torrent]

lol

[tall torrent]

a lot of people playing it are not good

[broken spade]

purg also got a huge buff with blaze away

[tall torrent]

but they don't need to be good to have really high dmg

[elder fiber]

anecdotal outdamage of individual players doesn't really mean anything for a build's strength

[lofty nova]

Idk this build is it a staff build?

[vestal widget]

i mean it's just really easy to play

[tall torrent]

electrokinetic staff, left click spam with surge blessing

[vestal widget]

it staggers everything, suppresses everything, does good damage and can fire forever

[lofty nova]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

most broken build in the game rn

[lofty nova]

Might try it

[tall torrent]

don't

[lofty nova]

But after i get bored of vet

I need a break from Gunker

[vapid nacelle]

it is a surge surge world we live in

[vestal widget]

shriek or scriers both work, but you just take a surge/nexus surge staff and lmb spam basically for 95%+ of the level

[tall torrent]

while having permanent ranged-dmg immunity, kills every non-ogryn elite with >2.5k dps and has soulblaze to melt waves

[vestal widget]

yeeeep

[tall torrent]

it's genuinely disgusting

[lofty nova]

Just keep going to 100 pop scryers to prevent death and keep spamming. 😅

[elder fiber]

I'd still rather play with it than smite psykers

[vestal widget]

also it does like an insane amount of stagger

[broken spade]

some of them also have smite

[vestal widget]

so you basically don't need to melee

[broken spade]

yeah the stagger on it is insane

it's so stupid safe

[lofty nova]

So they make staff smite good but not the actual ability?

[vestal widget]

you just walk into a horde spamming lmb

[tall torrent]

gun psykers wish they were half as strong as EK m1 spam

[elder fiber]

no smite blitz is still busted too

[vestal widget]

or just straight into a rager patrol or whatever

[elder fiber]

if they actually build + use it right

[tall torrent]

smite is strong too
but EK surge m1 spam is next level strong

I'll put it this way

one of veteran's highest dmg builds is Rashad + Plasma

EK surge m1 beats it by like, having twice as much dmg

[vestal widget]

your applied damage is just much higher than other builds since you barely stop firing

[primal zealot]

Dmg != utility I would contend thoughever

[shadow dagger]

holy shit boltpistol hipfire gives me a fucking stomachache

why do i have to fight my own fucking gun more than the thing literally trying to kill me

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[shadow dagger]

oooooh you can only shoot like twice in a row before the quality of your hipfire drops faster than the value of fucking beanie babies

fuck

[lofty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-gojo-nah-id-win-gojo-satoru-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-722934852497975468

[primal zealot]

Anyone got a chart handy for the value of beanie babies ? I can’t find them on schwab

[tall torrent]

if only

[primal zealot]

Don’t let your dreams be memes bro

[vestal widget]

bolt pistol having either really high suppression resist/suppression immunity now on ads is nice tho

[tall torrent]

the sway buff made it more resistant to being suppressed

[vestal widget]

its helbore style huge resist rather than laspistol/shotgun style immunity then? i see.

[tall torrent]

laspistol is also high resist

shotgun is complete immunity

[vestal widget]

huhh

[tame lodge]

Smite is actually good
You get to kill a ton of enemies by holding m1
Just don't bring smite+bubble

[tall torrent]

smite is good just stupid
EK surge m1 is so good that it's cringe

[primal zealot]

Much as I hate to agree with you you’re right

I got the untouchable penance with that combo

[tame lodge]

Gotta say
I like ek surge M1
When I'm not the one playing it lmao

[primal zealot]

On a lvl 1 but still

[tall torrent]

I just happen to be right most of the time

[atomic zephyr]

what would you guys change?

[clear lantern]

kind of has to do that for the penance
https://youtu.be/CxdrHQOHsEE?t=144

[lofty nova]

Got a EK video?

It would take way to long to try it my self lacking resources

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/SdAdUdt6W9k

[lofty nova]

@tall torrent how about vs crushers?

[tall torrent]

u don't take it to kill crushers

bring DS4

it kills everything that's not crusher/bulwark/boss extremely well

[lofty nova]

Hmm cute. Probably not worth the time trying it after all.

[tall torrent]

why

[lofty nova]

Why use something inferior to a columnus that can speedily kill everything including the things EK can't

[tall torrent]

inferior?

[formal cradle]

soo, I've seen many mentioning helbore lasgun builds, I like the gun but not sure how to skill vet yet, kinda like executioner but it seems lacking because it doesnt regen toughness

[lofty nova]

Very

[tall torrent]

what's inferior

exactly

[lofty nova]

You just admited it can't kill crushers Bulworks And bosses very well when a gunker shreds them to ribbons and everything els

Don't even need to swap

[tall torrent]

you unironically magdump crusher with ur gun on psyker?

[lofty nova]

if it kills it kills quickly just pick up the next ammo bag you see and keep going. though this obv wouldn't be as good if you played a mission that spawned like 15 crushers.

at once.

[tall torrent]

what difficulty do u mainly play

I'm curious now

in what world is gun psyker's immediate solution to crusher magdumping

[lofty nova]

Damnation with Psyker. to lazy to run around aurics

[tall torrent]

Do u use mods

[lofty nova]

No

[tall torrent]

Are u aware of Vraks V’s damage on carapace

[lofty nova]

Think i used the Agrippa and Columnus idk if i used Vraks

[tall torrent]

Columnus V is renamed to Vraks V

I hope this is not ur go-to solution for crushers

[vapid nacelle]

an entire magazine per crusher, this is truly the ammo efficiency of all time

[lofty nova]

I often have more bullets left than that but yah if there's 1 or 2 i might do that i also would usually have more damage stacks in a actual game

[tall torrent]

Nah just don’t

Duelling sword is right there

[lofty nova]

you do you. it still beats out your silly EK for damage

which was my point

[broken spade]

no it doesn't

[tall torrent]

U just said u don’t even run mods?

[lofty nova]

i don't run mods

[tall torrent]

How do u know what beats what in damage

[vapid nacelle]

^

[tall torrent]

If you don’t even use scoreboard to check damage

[lofty nova]

Cuz the meat grinder shows you these things without mods >.<

fucking derp

[tall torrent]

Sorry I’m talking damage as in “total damage across a mission”

My bad you can’t find that out without mods

[lofty nova]

can easily see what's on my screen and compare it to the video you linked me

literally killing all those targets he hit in less time

[lofty nova]

consider other variables ? like someone running ahead and killing more shit ?

all just depends.

[tall torrent]

That is considered, yes

It still beats genuinely like every other build by 2x if both speedrun

U can speedrun for inflating total damage

[lofty nova]

but what i'm doing is taking what you've shown me going to the meat grinder with my columnus pressing F and killing the same units in the video in less time

[tall torrent]

But if u have to speedrun to come close to another build’s total damage, then it is normal to assume that ur build has less total damage by default

[lofty nova]

only difference is I have ammo

that build doesn't

so i suppose when i do run out sure it'll surpass it. but alos IF i run out

[tall torrent]

Makes a big difference actually

[lofty nova]

cuz you sur as hell wouldn't be taking the ammo bags xD

[broken spade]

honestly vraks as the only crusher tool for scriers psyker isn't that bad

[ancient path]

how do yall usually set up your curio?

[lofty nova]

anyways I digress I'll agree to disagree. they're clearly strong and killing things and that's what matters

[tall torrent]

I do recommend u get mods and try for urself

[broken spade]

realistically you'd kill 2-3 per mag because maleific, disrupt destiny and just waiting for scriers to stack longer before starting

not a great build for crushers but it works better than it looks here

but no gun psyker does not beat electro m1 spam

[lofty nova]

but also in the situation in which you would mag dump on a crusher chances are you've built up some damage stacks from other talents. making it eat through a little less ammo than just popping into the meat grinder and unlocking a full mag with no pre damage stacks.

[tall torrent]

No, ideally you just melee

[lofty nova]

but again what ammo you would save is like 10-17

it's not much better

[sacred spindle]

power sword
press on button
remove crusher

[lofty nova]

we're comparing a staff and a gun not a sword.

but yes idealy you would melee the damn thing if you want to be padantic

[sacred spindle]

I don't know what the context is but this is vet chat so it's that or a plasma gun

[tall torrent]

What’s the point of comparing 2 weapons that aren’t used for crushers when you’re going to bring an anti-carapace melee weapon in the first place

[broken spade]

i actually run illisi on my gunpsyker build

so the gun is the only option

it's just enough to work
not particularly good at crushers

[lofty nova]

what's an illisi ?

and why do you run it ?

[broken spade]

it's the horde clearing force sword

[lofty nova]

oh

I usually use the Force sword MK V

[tall torrent]

That is illisi

[lofty nova]

oh

i just call it force sword MK V

cuts through everything like butter. more effort on crushers but i often use the special attack when they pop up

great for horde clearing to

[sacred spindle]

is this some space wizard thing?

I can't find it in my copy of the imperial infantryman's uplifting primer

[lofty nova]

yah idk I inadvertantly turned Vet channel into psyker channel

i'll stop talking about them now xD

[sacred spindle]

commissar this man right here

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty meh

[lofty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-loki-berry-mint-gif-26570747

[tall torrent]

It’s ok at horde

Not particularly great

Better than most other psyker melee for horde

Highest for psyker I think is chainsword? But chainsword is much worse vs elites

[sacred spindle]

is anyone having success running double barrel shotgun in heresy+ PUGs? I'm finding it's hard to manage ranged specials when you can't guarantee a teammate is built for it

[broken spade]

heavy sword might be higher, idk

[lofty nova]

Knive superiority.

[tall torrent]

Don’t think so

In like a static trial, heavy sword is a bit faster

In an actual horde, chainsword kind of does better

Psyker also has a lot of crit chance stuff

[inner temple]

Me who uses it against elites: uh.. oh

[lofty nova]

Put Scryers on Ogryns please

[tall torrent]

Nah

[inner temple]

Well ig theres always staffs

[sacred spindle]

chainsword does go brrrrrrrr tho

[tall torrent]

Ogryn abilities are fine

[inner temple]

Exactly and it kills them relatively fast

[inner temple]

I agree

[shadow dagger]

what decides which of the non carapace perks i go for

[inner temple]

Sunder.. wait was there supposed to be more gore?

I would like to see armor caved in, carved out etc lol

[lofty nova]

I disagree give me warp fuckery ogryns 😛

it's funny because for the briefest moment psyker Ogryns was Canonical

[tall torrent]

yea that's a plague ogryn

[lofty nova]

until she died in the story.

[inner temple]

Id find it funny if zealot goes shirtless and just had chunks missing with how low their health gets haha

[broken spade]

plague ogryn class when?

[inner temple]

Just by the end of it their ribs are showing and arms are torn to shreds

[broken spade]

actually, is there any class idea that would be likely to share weapons with ogryn?

kinda weird that all their weapons are unique

[lofty nova]

it is stated to be an Imperial Truth that it is impossible for Ogryns to be Psykers. this was a lie, until it wasn't anymore.

[inner temple]

Id like a space marine without the armor maybe

Just put them in rags and they can use ogryn stuff aswell so ey

[lofty nova]

other than space marines Possibly Squats ?? cuz they're stocky folk. other than that Orks.

[inner temple]

Id love a squat hah anything short really.

[lofty nova]

I would love to see a Votann be a DLC character to this game

idk if it would fit but it is an Abhuman

like Ogryn

so it wouldn't break the rules exactly

[inner temple]

Yes

[atomic zephyr]

never trust a mf with this many wound curios

[inner temple]

Just idk anything like that haha

[broken spade]

wait until you see the 5 wound psyker

[atomic zephyr]

he keeps vaccuuming up ammo and going down

my ass lucky i brought a regular inf lasgun

[inner temple]

Haha 😅 a 6 wound zealot

[lofty nova]

problem is Votann would have the same issues Ogryn does they don't have many weapon options. they run around with Power Swords Dunder hammers and Plasma guns.

[broken spade]

that 5 wound psyker with the name mr explosivo still haunts my nightmares

his name was accurate

[inner temple]

Ah true

[inner temple]

"why is your brain showing Zealot!?" Me who tanked two overheads from crushers: uhhhh

I find this absolutely hilarious

[lofty nova]

they do actually have a really cool tabletop mechanic . that would make for amazing talent trees. their Judgements and stuff

[inner temple]

That honestly sounds cool I kinda am hoping. Maybe adding their own weapons for them since well being so limited.

[lofty nova]

now i want a combat patrol pack of Votann

[steady ibex]

Is any of the Power Sword Mks considered better? And is it even meta these days?

[ocean idol]

So tried knife + agripina shotgun with manstopper and scatter shot for horde clear
It was pretty good

[tall torrent]

A tank

[lofty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/baneblade-warhammer-40k-tank-gif-16557244

[ocean idol]

Space marine

[lofty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

[tame lodge]

Mk6
Definitely meta

[ocean idol]

Nah, it is DS now

[steady ibex]

Cool, thanks

[tall torrent]

My wish list of weapons are

Veteran:
Hotshot lasgun (1 mark being volley)
Long-las

Zealot:
Polearm with banner
Melta gun

Psyker:
2-handed force swords
More staffs

Ogryn:
Las-cannon

[steady ibex]

[SP → BC → s.L1 → s.L2 → s.L3]

What does 'BC' mean? And then s.L?

[ocean idol]

What is long-las?

[tall torrent]

Block cancel

[ocean idol]

How it is different from infantry lasgun?

[analog yacht]

What're those lasguns

[ocean idol]

WQhat i really want is aeldari weaponry

[steady ibex]

You block cancel the special animation? Huh

[ocean idol]

Singing spear for psyker

[tall torrent]

Fires hotshot (strong enough to penetrate even space marines’ power armor)

[ocean idol]

Shuriken pistol for everyone

Shuriken catapult for vet

may be Bonewraith axe for ogryn?

[tall torrent]

It’s a precision sniper rifle that fires shots powerful enough to hurt space marines

[analog yacht]

How's that different from hotshot

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t use backpack-battery unlike hotshot lasguns, it still uses battery packs

[analog yacht]

Ohh

[tall torrent]

But due to high energy consumption can’t fire as many shots between reloads

Hotshot lasguns use a backpack-tube thing that feeds directly into the gun so they don’t need to be reloaded

Scab gunners use hotshot volleyguns (hotshot lasguns that are designed to be fired full auto)

[tall torrent]

Yea

[analog yacht]

so what it'd presumably give you a mobility penalty even when you don't have it out?

they release a new tree for vet that's outcast enginner 2

[tall torrent]

Presumably you can’t move well when firing, and it’s heavy
But it doesn’t need to reload (use heat mechanic, doesn’t explode, overheat disables shooting)

[inner temple]

Pretty much

[tall torrent]

It needs to be able to deal good damage to carapace at the very least

Because it’s firing hotshot

[analog yacht]

long-las would be like, plasma sidegrade presumably?

and the other thing like stubber but for vet

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily

[inner temple]

Lotta good options tbh

[tall torrent]

Low ammo capacity, high finesse, high crit chance, has higher ADS zoom (like mk3 & mk7 v.auto) with a scope, very high single target damage, slow firerate, doesn’t have charge-up like Helbore

[inner temple]

That'd be nice

[tropic abyss]

on a game where encounters are very close range, not so much

[inner temple]

I'd still use it.

[tropic abyss]

for a couple of games, maybe, then the novelty wears off

[inner temple]

Maybe on infiltrate use it as an opening or something.

[deft crystal]

Hello fellow vets

[tall torrent]

Long-las is gonna be coming eventually

[deft crystal]

Todays build ISSSSS

[tall torrent]

Not sure about hotshot lasguns

[deft crystal]

LAS GUN

[tropic abyss]

we need hotshots

heretics have them

we gotta have them too

[inner temple]

I'd like that. I want a lot tho 😂

[tall torrent]

Hotshot lasguns are usually only fielded by elite regiments and I’m not sure if we have anything that qualify lol

[coarse kelp]

as silly as it would probably be, i want a bolt action rifle lol

[tall torrent]

Longlas is deployed in specialist teams in general

[tropic abyss]

we can get plasma and flamers

we should get hotshots too

[tall torrent]

Those are not elite regiment exclusive

[supple stag]

What about uhh, power swords?

[tropic abyss]

the moebians aren't elite either

and they have hotshots

[tall torrent]

Used by officers & commissars

[tall torrent]

Moebian 6th have been mentioned as “elite” multiple times

[tropic abyss]

they die to bunch of rejects, they elite status has been long gone

[hearty panther]

yea its not 'bad' perse since it achieves what it's meant to do, but it's basically not worth using your ammo that way

[tall torrent]

There’s the lore and there’s the gameplay
Lore-wise they’re an elite regiment

[tropic abyss]

then gameplay wise I want a hotshot

[tall torrent]

Gameplay-wise DT veteran is 1 gene-seed away from becoming a space marine

Any weapon they add has to be lore-accurate in some way

[tropic abyss]

can we get eviscerator sized eviscerators then?

[hearty panther]

i gotcher gene seed right here -grip-

[ancient path]

so auric damnation is nothing but dueling sword, huh

[hollow ibex]

Shovel chad reporting in

[hearty panther]

probably forever

[inner temple]

Legit? What have we come to...

[tropic abyss]

my brother

[sacred spindle]

level 20 power sword get

[ancient path]

i mean i am guilty of the dueling sword but i didnt know auric damnation was dueling sword lmfao

[sacred spindle]

now I can play the game

[ancient path]

im just trying it out, i swear!!!

[inner temple]

this is a must.. I would love it

[ancient path]

i can quit at any time!!!!

[tall torrent]

Nah
They just use it because it’s the easiest anti-armor melee

[ancient path]

and horde clear. and dodging.

[coarse kelp]

duelling sword is insane, I can't believe they actually gave it to vet and zealot

[tropic abyss]

they're too weak for the shovel

[ancient path]

my fav vet weapon is prob chainsword.

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s pretty bad for horde clear

[ancient path]

really? i just spam m1 and stuff dies

[hearty panther]

ye but it aint the fastest

[ancient path]

i dont ever feel like im swarmed

[hearty panther]

its just ... okay

[ancient path]

fair fair

[sacred spindle]

horde clear is just following the 5 d's of darktide

[tall torrent]

Yea it goes through hordes much slower than other things

[sacred spindle]

it's everything else that actually gets you

[hearty panther]

enough attack speed makes up the lack

[ancient path]

yeee. it does feel slower than my eviscerator zealot that can cleave through 5000001 people with one heavy but the eviscerator is kinda good at that

[hollow ibex]

Really wished they just kept ds on psyker

[coarse kelp]

i find it to be pretty solid for horde clear, it attacks fast and has crazy mobility

[inner temple]

Yes. Very few trash will down you. If you die its likely elite or special.

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword on veteran is kinda cheap imo cuz it’s basically no talent investment for a super strong single target melee

[tropic abyss]

the eviscerator would be better if it was eviscerator sized...

[tropic abyss]

same

[coarse kelp]

definitely not the best though

[ancient path]

ya personally id say its solid

[ocean idol]

PLEASE I NEED THIS WEAPON

[ancient path]

isnt like i cant just do a backflip into another match if i get swarmed

[ocean idol]

Also more explosives

[inner temple]

Its atleast chainsword size

[tall torrent]

U can run horde clear trials with it, it’s much slower than a lot of other melee weapons

[ancient path]

horde clear trials?

[inner temple]

But gimme something bigger for my zealot. I wanna have to drag it around

[sacred spindle]

I admit it's very much a "spherical cow on a frictionless plane" take - if you have space to escape a horde, great, if you're in a corner...

[tall torrent]

Yea

[sacred spindle]

but it's often the other stuff that puts you in the corner

[tall torrent]

Do u play on pc

[ancient path]

yes!

[sacred spindle]

there are other platforms?

[tall torrent]

Do u use mods

[sacred spindle]

is that why nobody tags?

[ancient path]

yes!

[coarse kelp]

i don't doubt it, its not a horde clear weapon. still does the job well enough especially if im with my team

[tropic abyss]

we crossplay with xbox people

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner, spawn 50 poxwalkers

[inner temple]

Yeahh.. its doubtful you will but ive gotten out a few times.

[tropic abyss]

they willingly play shooter games with a controller

weird people

[sacred spindle]

WHO DON'T TAG

[ancient path]

with todays aim assist? kbm is old news lmfao

[sacred spindle]

CoD take

[inner temple]

Hah 😅

[tropic abyss]

kids these days...

[coarse kelp]

i could never go back to controller for any first person game honestly

it feels soooo bad

[ancient path]

yes thats the joke

[inner temple]

I love pc controls tbh

Mnk is amazing

[sacred spindle]

I've had people make that joke with all seriousness tbf

[inner temple]

It feels wrong now to play on PS

[ancient path]

very funny how mnk is treated as this super rare entry in cod tournaments due to how good the aim assist is in cod

[sacred spindle]

played a bit of DMZ before the skin thing went out of control and it's mad how much they had to nerf PC

[ancient path]

thank you!

[coarse kelp]

the only games i really play on controller anymore are platformers and monster hunter lmao

[sacred spindle]

mates were all "you don't play on controller on PC? don't you realise it's better than mouse & keyboard?"

[tall torrent]

Try it and see how long it takes

[coarse kelp]

otherwise KbM just feels better

[sacred spindle]

get te fack

[inner temple]

Its up to the individual tbh in my opinion.

[ancient path]

i appreciate my controller fps gamers but i could never. controllers are for action and fighting games.

[tall torrent]

Racing games

[ancient path]

but controller aimers can be pretty cracked.

[clear lantern]

this is sometimes known as a ludonarrative dissonance, where diagetical dialectics do not materialize within the gameplay itself.

[tall torrent]

Top-down twin-stick shooters

[inner temple]

O fak... Shut

[sacred spindle]

in latter-day CoD the auto-aim and turning is set up to make controllers better

[coarse kelp]

theres a lot of games that controller is better on for sure, just not any shooters for me

[tropic abyss]

those are played with a wheel and shift stick

[ancient path]

ya not joke but aim assist on cod is pretty nuts.

and overwatch

[inner temple]

Yeah which makes sense but no sense.

[tall torrent]

It’s actually crazy

[ancient path]

it practically aims for you

[coarse kelp]

i was using one for DD2 recently and it was great outside of aiming with archer lmao

[inner temple]

My aim hasn't improved from PC and PS its the same tbh

[thick bear]

Eagerly awaiting the day someone makes a flight sim HOTAS work with Darktide

[sacred spindle]

I have a feeling it's the only way they can make crossplay not a complete shitshow

I mean it already is for other reasons

[inner temple]

Pretty much.

[sacred spindle]

but other games have tried crossplay in the past and the M&K dominance is clear

[tropic abyss]

how about this: no crossplay

[ancient path]

no i like crossplay

[tall torrent]

Nah

[broken spade]

I've heard the aim assist in this game sucks ass

[sacred spindle]

how about I get to play CoD with my normie mates who own it on PS5

[inner temple]

F that its good

[sacred spindle]

it's not perfect but it's the same game, we should be able to play it together over different platforms

[ancient path]

i legit grew up playing split screen coop online cod w/ my best friend and when we grew up and moved out of state, it was kinda of like ... this "wow we really are in the future" moment when we were playing cod with me on pc and him on ps4 lol

it was trippy.

[sacred spindle]

with the death of couch co-op and splitscreen it's all we have left

[ancient path]

mhm

[clear lantern]

I knew people with the cardboard cross they'd tape to their 30 inch CRT in the living room while deathmatching with slappers in Goldeneye 64

it happens

[tropic abyss]

you know you can still play together in the same platform, right?

[ancient path]

the good ol times.

i hate being old.

[tropic abyss]

no crossplay doesn't mean no multiplayer

[sacred spindle]

oh yeah just don't be poor

[ancient path]

lmfao

[sacred spindle]

strong argument

[ancient path]

lmfaoooo

[sacred spindle]

own all the consoles

[ancient path]

shit that got me

[sacred spindle]

fucking consumerist bullshit

[inner temple]

Im like 21 and even I know this stuff. Im not old tho 😂

[broken spade]

TRUE

[clear lantern]

why would I buy a console that didn't have games I wanted to play on it?

[thick bear]

I felt personally insulted when I tried playing the newer Serious Sam games and they didn't have splitscreen mp like the originals did

[tropic abyss]

or just don't own any console, you have a PC, why have a console?

[broken spade]

why can't poor people just get money so they can buy things?

[ancient path]

just buy a house ass arguement

[sacred spindle]

step 1) don't be poor

step 2) be rich

step 3) ????

step 4) profit

[inner temple]

Exactly

[sacred spindle]

a n y w a y

[tall torrent]

What if u have friends that don’t have enough money for pc so they play console

[clear lantern]

I actually enlisted and spent the entirety of my 20s in a warzone, came back alive, missing cartilige, attendings some funerals, and got a VA loan

[broken spade]

tell them to get money

[tropic abyss]

step 1: be poor
step 2: invest in the cheapest option, that also gives access to the most games and it's objectivelly better at everything
step 3: ????
step 4: profit

[broken spade]

i'm sure they'll appreciate the lifechanging advice

[clear lantern]

don't do what I did

[thick bear]

Ay yo
How difficult is that VA loan stuff, still haven't used mine 🤔

[bold patrol]

same here, been meaning to look into va loans

[inner temple]

Ok actually tho with the PS5 pro and such those prices are nutty. Just build a PC at that point.

[clear lantern]

it wasn't difficult at all; I did have to pay closing costs, but didn't need a down payment. I refinanced a few years ago but it transferred.

[tropic abyss]

have you seen the prices for consoles these days?

[thick bear]

Damn thats what I didn't want to hear, closing costs

[tall torrent]

The thing is
Building pc requires some knowledge that they generally don’t have
And no, they’re not buying ps5 pro of all things

[broken spade]

Is the ps5 still basically launch price? The way they priced the pro makes me think they still consider it the same value

so expensive

[analog yacht]

unfortunately the golden age of "just build a pc" is kinda past

[tall torrent]

I know u can build a good pc rig with like 700 bucks
But the knowledge needed to build one with actually good parts while keeping budget at 700 bucks is not generally available

[analog yacht]

970 was like, the last time that that was super true

[thick bear]

$500 for not pro

[inner temple]

I built mine with zero knowledge and it runs good

[analog yacht]

building a pc is still worth

[broken spade]

damn

[sacred spindle]

basically each platform is like £500-1000 depending

[analog yacht]

but it's not what it was

[tall torrent]

Good for u

[sacred spindle]

which is a pile of money most people only want to spend once

[thick bear]

I paid like $700 for my laptop and it runs darktide just fine

[broken spade]

i was thinking of buying a ps5 when the price dropped but it kinda never did and it feels kinda late now

thanks sony

[tall torrent]

Nah
Got no games

[thick bear]

And I bought it just before open beta, it's not fresh by any means but it still does the job

[analog yacht]

yeah i think anyone can slap on the funny anti-shock bracelet and follow a video guide but that only works so far as there's no hiccups. someone w/ no knowledge isn't gonna know how to troubleshoot if something goes wrong

[inner temple]

It really is ngl.. spent almost 900 on mine

Thats with sales

[sacred spindle]

I moved somewhere with no furniture earlier this year

now that's expensive

shit's heavy, don't want to buy cheap and bin it

[analog yacht]

i guess the upshot is that if you just wanna run 1080p 60fps you can kinda just get entry hardware

[sacred spindle]

don't want to throw money at the PS5/Xbox/Switch/etc when I have a perfectly good factorio & darktide machine

[analog yacht]

i think something that gets missed in the cost of building a pc discussion is that you also get a computer out of the deal

[sacred spindle]

you do

[analog yacht]

in addition to your video games machine

[sacred spindle]

if you do anything video / photo / coding related it's a win/win

not great for going full sofa coma

[inner temple]

Yurp which I plan on eventually. Im getting my GED with mine

[broken spade]

yeah ideally you'd want to have a friend that can also offer advice for that kind of thing, but that's a lot of money to trust someone with

[sacred spindle]

if you have that sort of close friend - great - but personally unless we're pretty close I don't want to be your eternal tech support

(never build a computer for family)

(unless you do)

[analog yacht]

at one point prebuilts were kinda okay? idk if that window has passed tho

worst case you can buy parts off pcpartpicker and take them to a computer store to assemble it for you i guess

[broken spade]

I've built computers for friends but they were at least somewhat tech literate.
Yeah i think i'd go insane too if i had to do that for like an elderly person or just anyone unfamiliar

[analog yacht]

compare that w/ prebuilts

[sacred spindle]

I get the impression prebuilts are as they've always been - not the best value for money, but if you buy from the right people you get support if shit goes wrong

[analog yacht]

or some computer stores that sell parts might even assemble it for you if you buy all your parts through them

[broken spade]

most of the people i built for can install an operating system on their own and just needed advice on parts and assembly

[sacred spindle]

ideally you have a friendly local computer shop to advise you and charge you a reasonable rate for doing the difficult bits & be the tech support

[inner temple]

I got everything together but needed to do the partition trick to force install windows

Which I had a friend help with

[broken spade]

I think there are good services but someone new to the process isn't gonna know what's good or not.

[analog yacht]

but this is all extra work compared to just buying a ps5 tbf

[broken spade]

they just gotta hope and trust the process, which kinda sucks

[sacred spindle]

Yeah

it's not great

but that's the same with a lot of hobbies

[analog yacht]

most of the good pc only indie games are like, potato hardware capable

and you can even play a lot of console games mnk now

[sacred spindle]

Bought a new (old) film camera today from a shop that seems like they're sound, but I don't have the expertise to know exactly how sound they are

gotta take the leap at some point

[inner temple]

Which is amazing

[analog yacht]

the biggest advantages w/ pc are that sony and ms are putting almost all their stuff on pc now

so you get both exclusives

and then like

[sacred spindle]

and with PCs, generally it's more sound than the monopolistic console ecosystems long term

[analog yacht]

idk maybe this one sounds smaller but being able to alt tab and have a whole ass computer is so convenient

esp with dx12 seeing more implementation

where you get flawless alt tab performance

[sacred spindle]

does anyone remember alt tabbing in a source game

now that's painful

[analog yacht]

you can even mod fallout new vegas to run in exclusive windowed fullscreen and have flawless alt tabs too

[broken spade]

i hope valve continues with their steam deck. I have one and it's pretty nice. I can imagine it being a good option for new gamers a few generations down the line when handheld performance improves.

[analog yacht]

it's good stuff

[sacred spindle]

yeah it's fantastic how much they've driven support to linux through that

ideally I bin windows before I have to update to 11

so much anti-user cruft comes with this

[broken spade]

valve promoting linux support is good stuff

[analog yacht]

unfortunately there's very little economic will to port most games to linux

[sacred spindle]

that's why the compatability layer thing is a godsend

[analog yacht]

like ms is providing a very enticing service with dx12

even userbase %s aside

[broken spade]

yeah the proton integration with steam deck has worked pretty well for me

[analog yacht]

i do think valve's push for linux gaming is good tho

I think it's what drove ms to release their stuff on windows

and then in turn sony wanted in on that market too

[broken spade]

It obviously doesn't perform as well as just running a windows program in windows
but most of the stuff you'd expect to run on a handheld will work fine

[sacred spindle]

in part isn't it because consoles are basically PCs these days?

[analog yacht]

that's always been the case except for like, ps3/360

exclusives are just console pushers, not money makers on their own strictly

[sacred spindle]

PS3/xbox360 is last gen don't call me out like this

[analog yacht]

like afaik there's straight up just a working pc version of bloodborne

[sacred spindle]

but sony are cowards

[inner temple]

hope MS makes windows 11/12 better

[sacred spindle]

they'll just do some remashed version that fucks the game up

[analog yacht]

deprecating w10 while requiring some new security chip for 11 is kinda crazy

[sacred spindle]

also recall is crazy

[analog yacht]

my computer isn't that old and i'm just losing official support it's crazy

[sacred spindle]

no I don't want you taking screenshots every 5 seconds

[elder fiber]

lol, lmao

[analog yacht]

like I have a 1070ti

[deft crystal]

What other guardsman regiments do they plan on having?

[analog yacht]

that's old but it's not like, deprecated old

[deft crystal]

we have steel legion, krieg

and what else

[broken spade]

damn that's pretty old

[analog yacht]

it is! but i wouldn't normally assume to be "so old that it has to use an unsupported version of windows"

[broken spade]

actually what year did it release?

2018?

[analog yacht]

mhm

[pseudo fiber]

elysian shock drop troops

[sacred spindle]

right

back to veteran

[analog yacht]

or at least that's when I built

[sacred spindle]

I'm done levelling up power sword

[pseudo fiber]

savlar chem dogs

[sacred spindle]

what do I level on my double shotty build

[tall torrent]

Don’t expect the top-end elites to show and you won’t be disappointed

[analog yacht]

isn't knife + shotgun what most people run

[sacred spindle]

full turbomurderhobo

[tall torrent]

Tempestus scion is coming, eventually

[sacred spindle]

STORM TROOPER

[tall torrent]

And that’s about the strongest elite u can be

[sacred spindle]

I don't know what a tempestus scion is but they appeared in a gaunts ghosts novel without a "and this is what they call storm troopers now"

and it made me upset

[tall torrent]

There is tempestus scion armor in the game’s files

[sacred spindle]

is it kasrkin or is it classic storm trooper?

[tall torrent]

It’s unfinished

[tall torrent]

Not Kasrkin

Kasrkin is different

[sacred spindle]

sparkling storm troopers

[tall torrent]

Unfinished scion armor chestpiece