veteran-class

[wet ether]

isnt 5% like 3 seconds or something?

[thorn plinth]

This if why you must because the Duelist Sword Vet

[austere mica]

4 seconds is 13% on a 30 seconds cooldown

[hearty panther]

i will not use the dueling sword

[austere mica]

It would be 1.5 seconds

[spark helm]

That's already vet in the first place as far as I'm concerned.

You can do several builds with a veteran talent spreads that are just design to make whatever weapon you perform alchemy in the form of grenades, toughness, etc.

You simply not dying and playing decently enough to strong will just multiply your team by default.

[thorn plinth]

Why, principle or it doesn't fit your outfit?

[austere mica]

I find the dueling sword inferior to knife

[hearty panther]

boring weapon mostly

[austere mica]

Cause no zoomies

[thorn plinth]

I run fast as hell with dueling sword but I mean

[austere mica]

not 30% speed on heavy charge fast

[wet ether]

better go ask a psyker this question

[austere mica]

Its basic math

30x.05

[thorn plinth]

Guess the heavy charge is the difference, I'm usually right beside the knife zealot when we're sprinting forward

[spark helm]

We got counterfire-exestance/target down for example.

Do your job, get kills, passively feed yourself and teammates information, enhance you performance, gorge on cycled ability cdr and grenades while oozing toughness, repeat.

You just, hand shit out on veteran.

If you don't want to play with risk with that playstyle in mind and want to just push it harder you slide to middle tree and get the fatshark ult of all time: shout.

Now you're just a walking mutual aid center.

[thorn plinth]

Frontline Squad Leader Veteran is actually more fun in melee to me than Ogryn somehow and I have over double, close to three times the amount of levels in Ogryn

[spark helm]

You can still lose, yes, but as long as you stay alive with any amount of actions, even downed, focus target tags just make it easier (usually)

Veteran is a utility fiend

[full nacelle]

honestly the only reason I would ever play Ogryn nowadays is for Gungryn and roleplaying

veteran too good

[thorn plinth]

Actually over 3 times

Didn't realize I was over 240

[spark helm]

It's genuinely crazy to me that kruber and saltzpyre got shoved into one class over time with darktide and sometimes, some people don't recognize how powerful that just is with some of the highest accessibility in the game.

[thorn plinth]

I play Psyker and Vet like I play Ogryn and it just works

[spark helm]

You hop out just good.

[narrow yacht]

I play ogryn how I play zealot and it does not work

[wet ether]

ok better yet tactual awareness any kills that you or your teammates get reduces your CD by 6 seconds if your in coherency of those said teammates

[thorn plinth]

A n y K i l l

F F F F F F F

[full nacelle]

jesus

[thorn plinth]

(1000 Overtoughness moment)

[stable socket]

the game should just give you the match rewards if you queue as vet

[full nacelle]

true

[thorn plinth]

About to be like Dante in Warframe with Overguard

[spark helm]

Just give veteran devil trigger and be the real dante

Stinger but with a power sword

[thorn plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzGaJGWTNs

VoC with all of the toughness BS, Veteran might as well be doing the Hakari dance

[pseudo fiber]

The day that gets animated man

I'm so looking forward to it

[sly fern]

.........
should i empower a lasgun from power level of 280?

it got the right stats....

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

[vagrant scroll]

I ended up doing this, really happy that I did even if it took a bit to get done

[sly fern]

Cool, i might dump most of resource to get it up then.
i might use it for a long time

[keen elk]

Are any of the Combat shotguns slugs?

Or are they all spread/buckshot?

I know some of them can do the special ammo for single-shot slug

[sly fern]

FUCK......I empowered the wrong weapon...

LOL

AHHHHH

[thorn plinth]

Gungryn beat my melee Commissar by 60k damage and says "You're welcome"

[hollow ibex]

agri is

thats the slug shotty

[full nacelle]

agri for slug, zarona for buckshot, accatran for fire

otherwise they're all fairly similar with crappy primary fires and decent special sniping when aiming down sights

gotta lean into their special ammo

[vagrant scroll]

Oh shit I just saw this, pain...agony even!

[thorn plinth]

Long-arming the hound when an Ogryn gets hounded before a dropoff and everyone else is down, then going down but he has healing and immediately gets me back up

[fading yarrow]

My Vet now has three +21% Health Curios, three +3 Stamina Curios, three +1 Wound Curios and two +17% Toughness Curios

The Triforce is nearly complete

[thorn plinth]

Have started using Zarona over Bolt Pistol

Even though it's only 320 right now, I THINK I might prefer revolver

I remember the reload being a lot worse but it's not that bad

[tawdry jackal]

The divide between class channels on here is wild

Vet chat is definitely the best and most useful chat

[misty delta]

I think it’s funny how lore-accurate the chats can be sometimes

[austere mica]

Laaaame

[frigid swallow]

Hi guys! Is there a link where I can look up some good builds using a recon lasgun or a bolter?

[thorn plinth]

Check the pins

[thorn plinth]

Revolver looks and feels cool though

[austere mica]

But it’s also heinously overpowered

[thorn plinth]

But I'm a melee vet only using it on specials and ranged elites

[austere mica]

It’s still actually insane how good zarona is

Agri is way more fun in my opinion

Hammer fanning with a 225% unyielding adm

Cause fuck that burgle in particular

[thorn plinth]

Does the penetration stat affect how much damage it does through armor or is it only like, numbers of targets it'll hit in a line?

[iron marten]

looks cool, but I love the looks of helbores

[austere mica]

It affects ADM’s

I don’t know the gun stat that affects cleave

They might all just have static cleave

But I could be stupid wrong

[thorn plinth]

Was assuming it was Penetration the exact same way as DS but didn't know for sure

[austere mica]

Stats that share names have identical effects

[thorn plinth]

Can't blame me for not quite trusting obese dolphin on wording

At least on different weapon types

[austere mica]

There are some specific exceptions like stopping power and penetration effecting different armors or something but it should be relatively identical

That said, check inspect view anyway

I need to play my Agrivovler weapon spec build again now that the weapons are perfect

I could never find a very good revolver

Sadly the mastery is maxed on both weapons the build uses

I could try shock maul or smth though

[wet ether]

smoke nades are complete dogshit sorry to say

[austere mica]

Womp womp

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-fuck-you-middle-finger-middle-finger-gif-15294280

[thorn plinth]

Ere we go

Commissar and his three sons again

[wet ether]

honestly fat shark needs to change those damn nades

[austere mica]

They’re fun

Turns gunners off

They don’t need to do more

Helps cover right tree build’s typical lack of shooter counters

[shadow dagger]

now that i think about it

do vent purge malestroms count towards the penance

[wet ether]

fun no useful barely yeah sure they counter shooters but thats about it

[austere mica]

They don’t need to do more

That is their only purpose and they do it better than psyker shields

[tame lodge]

More than shooters but go off I guess

[wet ether]

does fuck all against bombers, flamers, tox flamers and what not

[austere mica]

Yeah it fucks with special ai but it’s more minor than the shooter stuff

Or at least less immediately noticable

[tame lodge]

Wrong about the flamer but go off I guess

[austere mica]

I didn’t say anything about flamers

[wet ether]

like if the smoke nades did more to deter enemies from running through it that be a huge help

[thorn plinth]

Commissar and his three sons went on a nice stroll

Through Detroit

[shadow dagger]

why does the second to last room of chasm logistratum always seem to lobotomize quickplayers

i just watched my team die to three gunners as i got hound pinned to death from like 60% health

[primal zealot]

Oh they were already lobotomized

[shadow dagger]

uncharacteristically lobotomized behavior

i know how lobotomized my average quickplayer acts

[thorn plinth]

The big open drop-down right before the elevator?

[shadow dagger]

what

[thorn plinth]

Oh wait, wrong mission

Think it's still in that area but I'm thinking the assassination

[primal zealot]

You’re thinking of station which is a mostly awesome map

Logistratum isn’t even memorable except for the last room

[arctic shale]

what's the dump stat on the shock maul?

[thorn plinth]

Also just realized this is the most even damage spread I've ever seen

[obsidian mesa]

Whats the best ranged weapon to pair with power sword

[glacial yacht]

yes

[thorn plinth]

Literally most of the time, someone gets the most damage by like 300-400k more than the lowest person, 100-200k higher than the second person, and the third person is anywhere between the two

[tame lodge]

Mobility
It's always mobility

[shadow dagger]

shovel:

[austere mica]

Literally anything, power sword’s only limitation is being slow and kinda clunky

[obsidian mesa]

Alright thanks

So stub revolver is good?

[glacial yacht]

your ranged weapon is chosen based on your talent build not really your melee

[shadow dagger]

i think that falls under 'literally anything'

[thorn plinth]

If you're wanting to use your melee most of the time or you're using survivalist, ye

[obsidian mesa]

Yeah okay thanks

Which mk stub revolver should i use

[thorn plinth]

Either, some people say Zarona is OP but Agripinaa has the cool factor and reload speed

[glacial yacht]

I'm a zarona fan myself

[austere mica]

Also an insane unyielding damage modifier

[thorn plinth]

If you're using your revolver against armor, probably Zarona, if you're wanting something MAYBE a LITTLE more efficient against specials and ranged elites, Agripinaa

[austere mica]

It’s like 1.8-1.9

[thorn plinth]

If you want bigger booms on your nades run lethal prox on bolt pistol instead

Probably going to use Agripinaa over Zarona myself because I don't need a ranged weapon for armor and it has more max ammo

If I can still easily oneshot specials and ranged elites, damage difference do not matter

[austere mica]

It does actually have more falloff than zarona which can become an issue

And a braced stance instead of an ads heavily limits its range

[glacial yacht]

also cleave>most things

zarona ftw

[austere mica]

Zarona is objectively better but also less fun

I also hate it

[thorn plinth]

Good enough for me

[austere mica]

The falloff is more visible against gunners

And reapers

Especially reapers

[thorn plinth]

Oh, unless a Reapers gunning me the fuck down I'm just going to rush em

[glacial yacht]

maybe you should play zealot lol

[thorn plinth]

With the weapon I'm using, I'm pretty sure it's stronger on Veteran than it is on Zealot

D u e l i n g S w o r d 4

[glacial yacht]

lawd what a beautiful weapon

[thorn plinth]

Melee elites can't really do damage to me unless I'm actually just surrounded and the poxwalkers are holding me down in an executee stance as the Crusher maul swings down upon my skull

[glacial yacht]

i get walloped using duelling sword on hordes unless im running weapon specialist

[thorn plinth]

You using VoC with all the ability damage augments and the weakpoint damage node?

DS4 with Agile is fairly comfortable against hordes imo

Shredders fill the gaps

[glacial yacht]

yeah its the lack of attack speed that gets me fucked up sometimes. If im not using weapon specialist or any of those melee nodes i usually go with shovel to help with hordes

and recon lasgun everything to death

[thorn plinth]

Also I'm stupid, just thinking about how hard it is to stab Ragers in the face sometimes because of how spastic they are

I need to just special attack (which I never do) to get them to stop moving for a moment

[glacial yacht]

on vet i just blast em lol

[thorn plinth]

They aren't that dangerous for me but it's ANNOYING to kill them sometimes because I can't stab them in the head

If I can get them before they go into their combo its easy, but then when their head is moving around so much, all I'm going to manage to do is cut the edge of their ears off

Try to drag it into them but they put their shoulders in the way

[glacial yacht]

the real issue is when theres one theres fucking 14 of them running at you at once

[thorn plinth]

Not so bad when you can spam dodge with Agile

[glacial yacht]

agile is pretty cool i have yet to try that

[sly fern]

is there any reason for Veteran to run Bolt pistol?

[dire olive]

Why not?

[thorn plinth]

If you're running melee vet, it's a nice quickdraw secondary to have like the revolvers, if you take lethal prox it makes you grenade explosions bigger as well

[sly fern]

got it, but bolt gun really felt pretty unwieldly
bot pistol felt more mobile

[thorn plinth]

Was about to say, if you want to mostly use your gun, boltgun is a bit better than bolt pistol because you CAN rapid fire it, has bigger magazine, and carries more ammo

But in general it's slower to reload and slower to pull out

[sly fern]

yeah, it took forever for the bolt gun to get ready

[sly fern]

fricking bolt gun is a grenade launcher against pox walker lol

[analog yacht]

the big thing w/ stub is that it can 1 shot everything in the game smaller than an ogryn reliably. If you have a banked crit from weapon spec you can even just body shot everything

and 2 crit headshots to kill crushers, which with a banked crit + surgical takes a total of like 2.5 seconds

[dim citrus]

What are the best Duelling Sword blessings?

[haughty cove]

[sly fern]

how is The columnus mk5 Infranty Autogun?

[dim citrus]

I prefer the Agripinna

[supple stag]

It's a weapon, really good one

[sly fern]

true, i would like a Agripinna if i could find a good one

[analog yacht]

Most recent pin has a lot of really good info.
I believe DS recs are

1. timed dodge +20% crit or weak spot hits give rending stacks
2. Timed dodge gives finesse or +10% weak spot damage + infinite dodge

[placid portal]

I thought Agile applied on weakspot hit

[analog yacht]

I mean it does require weak spot hits but let's be real here

It's infinite dodges

[placid portal]

Teue

True*

You have to try not hitting head

Luv me polish sabers

https://tenor.com/view/duel-polish-duel-sword-sword-fight-polish-fight-gif-22094971

[analog yacht]

I wish they'd make the devil's claw more real

That parry is so cool

Unfortunately in darktide even more than v2 if your weapon can't deal with armor then it doesn't exist

[placid portal]

Doesnt parry do insane finesse damage?

You could still chunk a crusher no?

[analog yacht]

I mean yeah the buffs to parry are cool but the weapons gotta exist outside parry

[supple stag]

Dclaw swords are more of a zealot weapon

[analog yacht]

If I have to wait for the enemy to hit me for my weapon to do anything then I'm just gonna use a weapon that exists all of the time

[supple stag]

Because zealot's dash makes it easier to yeet crushers

[analog yacht]

DS is loads of fun tho

And I really like the build w/ it

Though vet is pretty cookie cutter rn

Even if the build is fun

[wet ether]

skirmisher is it good?

[earnest bone]

ugh

its strong, but the implementation is ass

they buffed it, but it's still ass

even 8seconds is not enough

i would settle at 12 secs or even better 15

but 8 is still no

or rework

[wet ether]

i just read it sprinting really?

[earnest bone]

yeah and the implementation is annoying

you can run around in psykanium

and check how its tracked

[wet ether]

Honestly it should be any sort of movement

[earnest bone]

or just less stacks, but power buffed to stays the same

[wet ether]

Agree

[haughty cove]

Bolter and rashad, should I move something around (what in that case?) to get focus target, or can I run without keystone. I really wouldn't mind but unsure if it's a stupid idea

[green willow]

slug cant be stunned right

voice of command doesn't stun it

[earnest bone]

you can stun nurgle with krak grenade

[wet ether]

Heh yeah pretty sure voice does stun the beast if it has eaten someone

[delicate hornet]

nice

[wet ether]

It’s funny actually seen some dialogue earlier today about the rejects mentioning that their teammate got eaten

It was a psyker of all things that got eaten

[earnest bone]

you have 2 options here:

• One is that you can drop 25% swap and reload (ouch)
• And another is to drop Demo Stockpile. Without upgrade Frags are kinda shet and we are not even talking about Lethal Prox there.
  And put those 2 points into Focus Target + Target Down or Redirect

[wet ether]

[delicate hornet]

frags are fine without upgrade if ur using them for stun utility rather than purely killing stuff

[haughty cove]

Thanks for the help. Figured it would be nades that went, no way am I dropping swap/reload speed on bolter. Never felt I needed more than I carry anyway really but regenerating resources are always hard to pass by

[earnest bone]

@haughty coveI would also promote Get Back in The fight, this shit actually can help you in some tight situations. Feel free to try it.

[weary acorn]

which of the devils claws was the one best suited for hordes and elites?

[earnest bone]

Catch a breath is okay, but for important fights its like disabled

[weary acorn]

mark iv?

[earnest bone]

IV was the general consensus

[weary acorn]

tyvmj

[haughty cove]

Probably will, was just a point to go further down anyway. Ty!

[weary acorn]

any suggestions for blessings? Thinking rampage and wrath

[earnest bone]

check pinned guide here

it also has hyperlinks

[weary acorn]

ty

[haughty cove]

If I'm not pinning my hopes on 69/71 plasma what is the dump stat?

[sacred sparrow]

what's the difference bwteeen the two power swords / what's their focus?

[candid agate]

what are best blessings for devils claw sword

[mild hill]

Quick question what’s the best axe again?

[weary acorn]

think its rashad?

[earnest bone]

rashad mk3 if it's combat axe

[mild hill]

Alright thanks

[undone jungle]

Tbh I'd like to know too. Even if it's underpowered rn I'd like to get the mastery out of the way.

[inland orchid]

Mm yes the only melee with a parry function, underpowered

Love this slander

[candid agate]

if you know so much please tell me about the best blessings for it

[undone jungle]

Well it'd be nice if it killed armored elites but I do love the parry

[undone jungle]

The pinned vet guide says this about it

[obsidian mesa]

What mk stub revlover is better

[candid agate]

cheers

[inland orchid]

Idk bout ur devils claw but mine can murder those scab ragers

But I assume u mean the biggerer elites like crusher and bulwark

[undone jungle]

Yeah those. At least Vet has access to kraks so it's not all bad

I might try it on a boltgun build. Which mk do you suggest?

[sly fern]

Same question? Does boltgun only has 1 variant?

[undone jungle]

Yup

[inland orchid]

Mk IV imo, H1 is a nice overhead u can cycle via special usage

[undone jungle]

Yeah that's the one I'm used to

[inland orchid]

For hordes I like L1 H2

Big ol sweeps

[undone jungle]

I might try out the double horizontal heavy one too since I remember mk4 being kind of underwhelming with it's overhead outside of zealots chastise dash

Just wish DC lights weren't so poop. They're about as mid as the slab shield lights lol

[earnest bone]

You need that overhead to deal with elites and specials

[undone jungle]

I know, but I'm gonna run this on boltgun so I might genuinely not get much from the rather anemic H1

Against ragers I remember one parry headshot takes them out

[spark helm]

The mk3 is very easy to get into barring you have power cycler 3-4. Your lights are all diagonal and heavies are purely horizontal.

The mk6 has more varied combos but thr one that matters most is its push attack > light iirc. The three hits when empowered consistently drop carapace targets well. Gives it a nicer edge on the specialized dps. Purely diagonal heavies.

Both require at least power cycler at 3 tier for higher level engagements to feel better to use the powered attack. It's used for everything because it's that good

[undone jungle]

Maybe the horizontal H1 vertical H2 variant might be more my thing idk time will tell

[spark helm]

Dunno dclaw on vet but at least on psyker it was nice

I don't think I've tried it on zealot

[earnest bone]

on zealot it's better as you get like 60% base crit with piety + scourge

[undone jungle]

Yeah zealot can consistently 1 tap mutants using chastise dc4 with it at least. That said Vet and Psyk have anti armor blitz options

[earnest bone]

zealot can parry chastise too, but that's not that good if there's like 6 crushers

[sturdy herald]

Just wondering, what's the general consensus on the smoke grenade? I know it's popular to trash on it, but is it really that bad?

[inner widget]

Yall is this a good shot gun for my vet? I think it is since I fully maxed it out but im not sure about things like dump stats and thing like that

[undone jungle]

I don't really like the db on vet but that's pretty much as good as it gets. That said you don't necessarily need Scattershot provided you're doing the Weapon Specialist thing

[tall torrent]

People generally don’t understand how it’s supposed to work

When u do know how it works and plays into what it’s good at, it’s like a side-grade bubble shield

[undone jungle]

Tbh smoke can be extremely inconsistent sometimes just because of spaghetti code

[tall torrent]

Nah it does work

It’s entirely reliant on the buff status it gives

[undone jungle]

When it works it's nice but I've seen snipers aim straight through it and Gunners firing locked on while in/obstructed/into smoke

[sturdy herald]

Thought as much. I found it invaluable on the new train mission, and picking it saves a pathing point so I wasn't sure if going Krak would be more worth it.

[tall torrent]

That’s the thing, you’re not really meant to throw them directly at gunners & snipers

You’re supposed to throw them at where you want to be

[undone jungle]

Oh so it's more or less only a self smoke option

That explains a lot

[tall torrent]

It’s a “ninja smoke” that’s like a side grade bubble shield

[undone jungle]

I might use it more if that's the case, I was completely unaware

Does the game explain this anywhere lol

[tall torrent]

I would highly recommend u read my guide’s section on it

It does a LOT more than u think

[undone jungle]

Omw

[inner widget]

Ah sweet! yeah i think im doing the specialist thing where to reload I just chainsaw sowrd somthing and shoot my double barrel. when melee somthing it reloads one shot into which is pretty nice since I dont gotta reload a whole lot! and if I where to change out scatter what would i cange it out for since I wouldent really need it?

[sturdy herald]

I actually like Scattershot a lot if you don't use the alt-fire double barrel, that way you can get two crit shots in a row (one from WS, one from Scattershot, assuming you hit a crowd).

[undone jungle]

Both work. I like to use Fullbore/Run&Gun depending on the build but I mostly run this on Zealot. I'm a Lawbringer enjoyed on Vet

This explains a lot! Thanks

[inner widget]

alt fire? never heard of that~ but that sounds super good! so wait scatter shot good or bad?

[tall torrent]

Depends on the missions you play & weapons u bring
But usually most people won’t get as high benefit from smoke as krak

[undone jungle]

If you hipfire it fires 1 shot, aiming down sights aka altfire fires 2

[sturdy herald]

The alt fire is your ADS, where you fire both barrels at once.

[sturdy herald]

I'm running DS4 so Krak feels super redundant, even for Bulwarks.

[inner widget]

ahhh yeah I barely do that since I just swing and hip fire

[tall torrent]

I mean
It is like free 14k damage on bosses

[undone jungle]

Honestly I'd use smokes more if they weren't in such an awkward place.

[tall torrent]

With reliable stagger

[undone jungle]

Talent tree-wise

[tall torrent]

Smokes have the best pathing out of the 3 grenades

[sturdy herald]

If it were easier to path through smoke -> improved nade, I might be less on the fence.

[undone jungle]

Tbh not wrong that melee buff and weapon switch damage buff on the way is excellent, I just hardly ever use infiltrate or the speed aura so it can often add talent points for me.

The one build I run that'd save points going krak -> smokes doesn't make much use from smokes sadly

[tall torrent]

U can path back to VoC after 5% crit chance

Still ends up saving points because Infil has talent tax for grenade regen

[sturdy herald]

You also get 10% melee damage from the node above, and Agile Engagement.

[undone jungle]

Yeah I mentioned that

[sturdy herald]

I feel like it's super worth it.

[sturdy herald]

Oh, sorry! I misread what you wrote.

[tall torrent]

It’s situationally worth

[undone jungle]

Np

[tall torrent]

It’s also kind of ok for objectives when u have teammates holding out

[undone jungle]

I do agree though the nade improvement talent is really nice on smokes, kinda funny is right under Kraks when it doesn't benefit Krak breakpoints whatsoever simply adding monster damage atp

[sturdy herald]

Any ideas for improvements on this? Weapons are DS4 and Double-Barrel.

[tall torrent]

Swap rending for BID

[sturdy herald]

Not sure how effective that Rending talent is overall.

[sturdy herald]

I was definitely thinking that.

[undone jungle]

Maybe the close range damage after ability use talent over Reciprocity. Also I really like Charismatic when running VoC but it's hard to fit in your build

[tall torrent]

Not super relevant for duelling sword

U can read about rending stuff in my guide

[sturdy herald]

I was mostly considering it for DB to make sure I can gib flak elites through crowds, but it might not be super worthwhile.

[undone jungle]

Also I hate to be that guy but besides DS4 parry how are you going to deal with Crushers/Maulers

[sturdy herald]

I'll try BID, but I suspect you're right about it being better. Thanks for the advice!

[sturdy herald]

DS4 stab is absolutely digusting here, I haven't run into any problems whatsoever so far.

[undone jungle]

Ohhh

I misread

[sturdy herald]

With Weapon Specialist I find it super easy to dance around bulwarks.

[undone jungle]

Thought DC4 lmao

[sturdy herald]

Nah, I'm a toothpick enjoyer.

[vivid badge]

So I've recently almost max mastered my chainaxe and assault shotgun combo
Any weapon combos to go for next?

Mostly played shouty and krack build as well

[undone jungle]

Well since you like shotguns I can recommend every combat shotgun variant. Everyone has their favourite since they all work on Vet. I'm personally a big fan of going Lawbringer with Scattershot + Man-Stopper for the special shell horde-clear. It doesn't need Weapon Specialist to function like Assault Shotgun so you can opt into another keystone or none at all

As for melee I like running combat knife paired with it, dueling sword is great too although don't be surprised if it gets nerfed soon lol

[vivid badge]

So rush dueling sword lol

[undone jungle]

Might as well use it while it's overtuned. 50/50 chance it gets some sort of nerf any update now I won't lie.

Then Zealots will cry an ocean

[vivid badge]

Wait combat shotguns are the pump ones? I meant I used them lol
Haven't tried the double barreled much

Sorry >_<

[tall torrent]

Combat shotguns are semi-auto

[undone jungle]

They're all semi-auto tbh, they do have a modelled pump it's a bit weird

I assume they're like the spas-12

[tall torrent]

The pump grip is for cycling shots in like charging handle

[undone jungle]

Ohh

So exactly like the spas 12

[vivid badge]

Tbh I like it
Makes me feel extra cool when I chamber me slugs or fire shot

[undone jungle]

Spas 12 had hybrid pump/semi action, the pump being specifically used for non-lethal ammo as it didn't have enough gunpowder to cycle the semi-automatic action

Makes perfect sense the special ammo types act the same, well sort of

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately combat shotguns are kind of weird

[undone jungle]

How so

[tall torrent]

Short effective range, inconsistent damage

[undone jungle]

I mean

[tall torrent]

Effective range as in 1 tap range

[undone jungle]

No Respite Kantrael is very consistent but I get your point

Yeah that's true

[tall torrent]

It’s quite short

[undone jungle]

I remember on keystone rework the Agripinaa made good use of Marksmans Focus, I wonder if that's still a good combo

[tall torrent]

Nah, that was Lawbringer (now Zarona)

[undone jungle]

Wtf

Lawbringer was so iconic..

[tall torrent]

U could 1 mag a beast of nurgle

[undone jungle]

Haha that's nuts

[tall torrent]

But it’s a niche meme build

[undone jungle]

I mostly like to use LB (refuse to call it that) as a discount Kickback with its special

[tall torrent]

I’m personally not a fan of inconsistent breakpoints on the “consistent breakpoint” class

[undone jungle]

That's true

I don't really like other types. Agripinaa just runs through it's ammo because it's even more inconsistent than the other two, and while Kantrael has some meme Weapon Specialist utility it's not very effective and while it's a consistent 2 tap all ranges to many targets that's still 1 more shot than many alternatives

LB fun delete horde button, nowhere near as good as a psyker with voidstrike sadly

Not much is

[vivid badge]

I've never really found them inconsistent but then again I'm always pushing so maybe it's playstyle/preference

[tall torrent]

They just are inconsistent

[undone jungle]

They're not completely worthless just because the shots they take to kill aren't always the same. I say give them a go. If I can consistently top score with LB on aurdamn I'm sure you can do well.

Kant is good too

[tall torrent]

The problem is that they have oddly high finesse scaling for “shotguns”

[undone jungle]

Also sorry "Zarona" not LB

[tall torrent]

So you actually kind of want weakspot hits

But you also need high pellet-hit to actually do good damage

[undone jungle]

Yeah they should probably have higher minimum pellet count

[tall torrent]

And there can be damage difference (per pellet) based on Hipfire / ADS

And they deal very high stagger that your 2nd shot wouldn’t benefit from the high-ish finesse

[undone jungle]

Ogryns Ripper 5 hipfire has a really nice high pellet count mechanic it'd be cute if cshotguns did too

[tall torrent]

No respite is pure cope for that problem

[undone jungle]

Well it does work. I guess. It is very cope though I won't disagree.

[tall torrent]

So it practically ends up being 2~3 shots (inconsistently) for the supposed 2 tap ranges

U can get a very tight spread in exe stance which drastically boosts consistency

But shotgun exe stance is like

So weird on so many levels

[undone jungle]

I prefer vetfart because it's busted overpowered very good

Should actually make an Exec Stance build sometime that I don't change to VoC after a week one of these days

[tall torrent]

Exe stance is pretty good

Especially exe stance Boltgun

[undone jungle]

Might run that tbh cus I was feeling like running BG

Probably shredders to replace my vetfart aoe stagger

[tall torrent]

Exe stance Boltgun does unironically the same exact job as Gunlugger ogryn

You just happen to have a gun that actually kills things outside of when ability is active

[undone jungle]

Should I grab Focused Target and every "damage on ability" talent then

[tall torrent]

Focus target yes

Red ability nodes not necessarily

Preference

[undone jungle]

I'll grab the one in the middle and right keystone branches

Feel like the 20% weakspot one isn't very high performing

[tall torrent]

That’s the highest performing one

[undone jungle]

Oh really

[tall torrent]

Because it’s +strength

[undone jungle]

Oooh

[tall torrent]

Multiplicative damage increase

[undone jungle]

I have the points for it

If I drop Charismatic from this build

[tall torrent]

Boltgun build has like

2 general variations

Option 1 is you take a Rashad and go down bottom right for 10% atk speed

[undone jungle]

Rashad bores me so I'd rather take any other melee option ngl

I won't argue in it's effectiveness it's just buttered bread

[plush current]

Rashad? Is this weapon slang I don't understand?

[undone jungle]

It's a mark of combat axe

Notoriously very good

[plush current]

Ah ty ty.

[hearty panther]

i just run boltgun with knife

[plush current]

I run Kriegsman. Lucius, Shovel, Papable self-loathing.

[undone jungle]

I might honestly do that, maybe meme and run the alt. knife with those horizontal heavies

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately knife on veteran is the highest point cost melee

If u actually care about using it as a melee weapon

[undone jungle]

Yeah I know, it'd require me probably grabbing that crit node above Infiltrate

[tall torrent]

No

It wants both stamina regen delay and atk speed

[plush current]

Bleed stacks right?

[undone jungle]

Well that would help but yeah I know

[tall torrent]

Nah

U don’t have to go bleed

[plush current]

Hmm. Good to know

[hearty panther]

nah dont bother for AS

its more for the mobility and flexibility

[tall torrent]

If u actually care about using it as a melee weapon, atk speed is pretty huge

[undone jungle]

Really? What blessings should I bother with then

[tall torrent]

If u only use it for running & PA spam, u don’t need it

[undone jungle]

I usually run flesh-tear and rending strikes probably fucked those names up

[tall torrent]

seek my guide

[undone jungle]

Gruhhh

Let me check oh wise one

Oh I ran Uncanny + Flesh Tearer

Didn't know it had a whopping +15% crit

Gotta edit one of my build descriptions to feature that hmm

I should try Serrated Blade + Mercy Killer one of these days

[golden tiger]

what r the best perks/blessings for power sword on veteran?

or is it irrelevant in favor of chainsword

[undone jungle]

I prefer mk6 for the push attack combo

Check pinned for the guide

[tall torrent]

More like chainsword is irrelevant in favour of uh
Any horde clear melee that also fights elites well

[undone jungle]

Nah very different usecase. CSwords are horde-clear focus with weaker shred specials than other chain weapons. Subjectively I prefer Chaxes over them but to each their own.

Also kinda true Chswords are kinda sad rn

I'd say their best usecase is with Shred on a crit Zealot but Eviscerator exists.

[tall torrent]

Evicerator is even weirder

Cuz they actually don’t do horde clear that well

[undone jungle]

I like the newer mk even if it's the most boring thing to ever exist. It's push attack is super nice.

That's true, although I can't complain tbf I still kick ass with them

[golden tiger]

i wont lie i have no idea what im looking at rn lol

[tall torrent]

Nah, duelling sword is more boring

Zero point investment top elite/boss dps stick

Evicerator is weird because it only damages 4 enemies per light swing

[undone jungle]

Red = power sword marks (there are two)

Purple = associated perks/blessings recommended by guide

Blue = associated talents recommended by guide

[hearty panther]

needs red arrows

[undone jungle]

True. Rashad too but that's imho #killeveryradhaduser

[tall torrent]

Rashad is much much much more interesting than duelling sword imo

Because u actually pay talent points to run it

[hearty panther]

I don't find the end result interesting to play with at all.

[tall torrent]

And there is a learning curve to fighting multiple ragers with it

But most melee weapons’ combos are all just really easy

I don’t think saying one is boring means much

Not every melee weapon is mk6 knife

[undone jungle]

I am evil and eat rashad users in dark alleyways

[hearty panther]

I wish every weapon was as perfectly balanced as the tactical axe.

[undone jungle]

Explanation in comments

[hearty panther]

but how does mr. beast feel about it

[undone jungle]

Idk he just asked me if I know any minors

[tall torrent]

Ngl I hope it gets buffs

[hearty panther]

i kinda dont want it to get buffs

[undone jungle]

I love tax I wish it could kill maulers a tiny bit quicker though

[tall torrent]

Damage buffs in general (specifically carapace & unyielding)

[undone jungle]

Yurp

[hearty panther]

if it starts doing BM bullshit itll just be combat axe but faster

[tall torrent]

Nah, more single target dps

[hearty panther]

and im pretty tired of weapons having cool movesets just for fatshark to make spamming dodge and left click the best combo lol

[undone jungle]

yeah I can agree on cara/unyielding damage

[tall torrent]

Why does a “slightly smaller axe” do a third of the “slightly bigger” axe’s dps

[undone jungle]

I mean. Bigger axe is a bit overtuned (don't tell fart shart)

[tall torrent]

It’s just BM is too strong

[undone jungle]

That's true

[tall torrent]

I hope BM gets nerfed and combat axes’ base cleave is increased

[undone jungle]

BM should be reworked/removed and weapons with BM should have built in BM with balanced number of free cleaves imo

[tall torrent]

I also hope a bunch of blessings get buffed/tweaked

[undone jungle]

It's boring is my main complaint

[tall torrent]

Decapitator rework pls

[undone jungle]

I want to be able to not run BM on a weapon that has it and enjoy it

Same with power cycler

[tall torrent]

Make Decapitator stack identical to how headtaker stacks

[undone jungle]

Just straight up make the power swords have built in powered swing counts to give them diversity or something

Idk if I'm being controversial here but if a blessing makes or breaks a weapon it should just become a part of the weapons core

or competitive alternatives should be introduced

[hearty panther]

nah that's a pretty logical take

[undone jungle]

Nothing competes against BM/PCycler

[hearty panther]

like power sword is shit design imo

[undone jungle]

PSwords are definitely the most overt example of this yeah

[hearty panther]

its unactivated attacks are wet noodles because powered attacks are way too juiced

so you're stuck spamming special combos endlessly on repeat

[tall torrent]

Ironically
Plasma gun has the most blessing & perk variety of any weapon in the game rn, and it also happens to be the only weapon in the game without a dump stat (hardest weapon to roll perfect)

[undone jungle]

Power Cycler is insanely overtuned compared to other blessings which ultimately means PSwords have one (one) singular blessing slot

[undone jungle]

Yeah that's honestly true. The only follow-up I can think of is maybe the pickaxes for Ogryn that can be built around a good 80% of the blessings

[vivid badge]

Any suggestions for the plasma gun? Can't get on with it
Think it the slight delay on firing

[undone jungle]

I don't like it personally too even if I can agree it's good

[hollow ibex]

it's kinda necessary at this point to keep the weapon balance under control lol

[tall torrent]

Ogryn pickaxes has like
5 good blessings, of which
1 is only for Gunlugger
2 are niche picks
And the default is just headtaker + slaughterer

Whereas plasma gun has 2 completely different build approaches

[undone jungle]

True although quite a few combinations I've seen floating about. Hell 5 viable blessings on a melee is already 3 more than most melees

[tall torrent]

5/10 is 50%

6/8 is 75%

[undone jungle]

Im an ogryn main we're not good at math

^__^

[tall torrent]

Knife is also 5/10

[undone jungle]

True

[tall torrent]

Maybe 5.5/10

Executor is ok-ish for mk6

[weary acorn]

anyone recommend shock maul for vet?

[undone jungle]

I guess for me I just see the pickaxe variety as inflated on the excuse that the blessings can really vary up performance

[undone jungle]

Honestly isn't bad. I'm hopping on PC rn give me a sec.

[tall torrent]

It’s ok
If u bring krak for boss damage

On its own it’s miserable in boss damage

[weary acorn]

hmmmm

[undone jungle]

Yup, that or if you have a good ranged for boss DPS

shit might run it on that boltgun build

it's defensive properties are very neat

Let me see what path.exe suggests

[tall torrent]

They also nerfed shock maul this patch

[undone jungle]

Oh shit how so?

[weary acorn]

i'm looking for something other than a chainsword to support my recon mark 12 addiction

[tall torrent]

Lightning reflexes has an innate cap where u can only stun 1 enemy with it now

[undone jungle]

Ah shit really?

I loved abusing that!

[tall torrent]

So now it’s much much worse at fighting ragers

[undone jungle]

At least the hammerblow push attack combo on the other mk still should poke crushers right?

[tall torrent]

I don’t think Hammerblow is worth tbh

Does Hammerblow allow u to stagger crusher out of overhead?

[undone jungle]

yes with agni on push attack max stacks

at least last I checked

I learned it while consulting weird losers in youtube comments, same place I learned lightning reflexes was busted

shame it's not busted anymore

[tall torrent]

Does it not work for mk3 PA

[undone jungle]

I am not sure, they mentioned Agni, I tested on Agni and it worked, then I perma switched to mk3 scrusher + lightning reflexes back when it was busted

gotta give it a check again

im surprised the performance traits don't mention the insane stamina it gets, really nice utility for revives imo

[tall torrent]

It’s just +4 stam by default

[undone jungle]

huh, feels like a lot

placebo moment?

[tall torrent]

Do u run +stam curios or smth

[undone jungle]

Probably the case, I've ran it on Psyker before too and said wowee much stamina

but that's not very useful on Psyker because of how op Peril block is lmao

time to #install mob spawner and test mk3 hammerblow on crusher overhead ig

[tall torrent]

Cuz if Hammerblow doesn’t stagger crusher reliably

Then falter is just a flat superior choice

[undone jungle]

nerd emoji i agree

it did work on agni like, weeks ago when I tried it

but I disliked agnis moveset

so i didn't bother

[undone jungle]

awesome creature spawner crashed my game on startup

😭

[sick cedar]

Nerf boltgun

[undone jungle]

100% does not, mk3 pa has way lower impact values

[tall torrent]

Ok

[undone jungle]

tbh agni might be goated if i break my fingers QQ/bc cancelling the light 1

[fluid gust]

Kinetic Deflection actually builds less peril the more stamina you have

[undone jungle]

Interesting, I didn't know that

Still hardly necessary for how I use peril block, but regardless thank you

[tall torrent]

I don’t use either

[undone jungle]

for a boss killing boltgun, what perks/blessings should I run? path.exe's guide lists a lot of options here

the one I'm using has cara% elite% pinning and shattering for whatever reason I hardly remember now

[tall torrent]

I don’t recommend building one specifically for boss dps

[undone jungle]

just generalist then?

i see

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is strong because it can 1~2 tap every non-ogryn elite/specialist in exe stance
While having high boss dps

[undone jungle]

Yeah hmm. I wonder what I should run instead then

It just seems to 1 tap damn near everything already

pinning fire is pretty good but I doubt shattering impact is making a big difference considering its insane ttk now

not a surgical fan

maybe puncture?

does the puncture bleed stack or is it weird

[tall torrent]

Puncture + pinning fire is my preferred set-up

[undone jungle]

welp lets give it a try then :P

ooh yeah, puncture + maniac% guarantees trapper body

thats nice

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac

[undone jungle]

thats what im running yurp

[tall torrent]

Flak gives gunner 1 bodyshot with PF stacks / superiority complex in exe stance

[undone jungle]

flamiac

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives flamer 1 bodyshot with PF stacks

[undone jungle]

running this rn, would appriciate criticism

considering dropping counter-fire for charismatic to apply focused fire buffs to my team more consistently, idek

[tall torrent]

Nah

[undone jungle]

you're right i hate my team smiles

[tall torrent]

I think u should drop counter-fire for smth else tho

[undone jungle]

hmm what do you recommend smiley emoji

[tall torrent]

Also GBITF usually is not as good than catch a breath

[undone jungle]

i did pick GBITF

[tall torrent]

Demo team

[undone jungle]

i agree

demo team chad

fuck it

[undone jungle]

oh is that so

[tall torrent]

Mb typo

[muted prairie]

Playin around with my curios, what's the general consensus on toughness vs hp and 2 vs 3 wounds?

[undone jungle]

GBITF used to be the preferred pick back in my day 👴

[tall torrent]

An ability that activates passively like once maybe every 20 missions
Vs
Loner but actually works

[undone jungle]

back in my day I used to get hate-crimed in #veteran-class for picking catch a breath 👴

and we liked it!

[tall torrent]

I mean
If u count on GBITF working

But usually exe stance Boltgun kills things so well u just don’t run out on toughness

[thorn plinth]

Funny hi-int shock-troop gauntlet

Group of 8 maulers on me, teammates are fighting other shit

SPACEBAR SPACEBAR SPACEBAR SPACEBAR SPACEBAR

Slowly killing them because I can't keep track of which one I've already poked in the face

[undone jungle]

using spacebar to dodge instead of tobii eye tracker (blink = dodge)

(joke)

[thorn plinth]

Forcing me to blink

[undone jungle]

You could wink

[thorn plinth]

Slow metal grinding sounds

[shadow dagger]

on my way to take a full wounds worth of damage from random chaff because I need to get this exe stance refresh or else I piss and shit and die

[candid agate]

the suffering of an executioner stance user

[shadow dagger]

I ended a vent purge mostly ranged maelstrom with like 175 ranged elites kills and I was fiending for more gunner kills

it didn't help at all that 2 other people were also trying to do gunner sniping and apparently doing a comically awful job

so one guy had to do 2 and a half peoples worth of hordeclear for like a third of each wave's length

[candid agate]

i remember getting like 183 elite kills and a shit ton of special kills on a maelstrom with the head hunter and executioner stance

felt like a true sniper that whole game

[formal hamlet]

RIP, I was writing a long comment and PC blue screened. Let's try that again.

[shadow dagger]

computer tried sending you a sign

apparently you're not listening

[formal hamlet]

So I was running some missions with my friends and a friend of theirs joined who is much more experienced than us. He clears on Aulric Maelstrom where as we have only really played on Heresy, so we asked him various questions while playing and I wanted some elaboration / a second opinion on some of his takes:

1. Plasma gun is good, but not meta. Veteran's meta ranged weapon of choice is the recon lasgun. If true, what makes the recon lasgun so good? I have a build for it, and it's a fun gun to shoot, but I don't particularly feel more powerful when running it so I want to know what I want to be really taking advantage of in that build.
2. Veteran keystones suck. He said he doesn't run any keystones on his vet builds because they're just not very good. Middle tree keystone is the least crap, but it's redundant because he feels you and your team can nuke anything with or without it.
3. This last one is when he switched to his Zealot/Knife build. I was told with knife to light attack spam at faces and use charge attack for specials and such. When I watched him play, he was basically almost exclusively using charge attack head stabs on everything, and he was running a flamethrower for massive hordes. Should I be doing the same when running knife?

[shadow dagger]

1- plasma gun is quite good, but it pretty much requires a decent amount of pregame homework since it's a relatively slow firing gun with a pretty low ammo count in a horde shooter, and therefore has to be built towards oneshotting elites and specials via talents, perks, etc

[gilded wraith]

I think it's still top 5, so still meta in my opinion. Kinda depends on your cutoff point for meta.

[shadow dagger]

recon las is definitely good, but it isn't head and shoulders above the rest. it relies on stacking crit chance via talents perks blessings etc and using the shock trooper talent to give your ammo the most value

and the guide guy is here to talk better than me for the rest of this

[tall torrent]

1. Plasma is still top 5 gun for veteran, but it can be a massive resource sink if u want a perfect roll. It also needs specific builds to reach its 1 tap breakpoints for optimal performance.
2. The only notable case where keystoneless is better is recon XII for a magdump crusher build. So he’d be wrong in most cases.
3. Mk6 knife H1 & H2 have enough cleave to be applicable to horde clear. Flamer is good for melting non-crusher melee elites tho.

[shadow dagger]

something about mk6 feels so silly I can't take it seriously

[junior hawk]

should i keep this brick?

[shadow dagger]

that's more or less perfect

as perfect as it'll get honestly

[tall torrent]

This is basically perfect

Let’s hope hadron doesn’t magically change its stats

[thorn plinth]

Man I just need to use special attack more on DS4

[shadow dagger]

even if it does it'll still be a keep I think

unless hadron changes it by like 2% or something which I haven't seen before

[thorn plinth]

One of the main things that make me afraid of poxbursters is not having stamina but I can push them anyway with special attack

[gilded wraith]

What was the exact breakdown again for perfect plasma?

[undone jungle]

Hmm

What weapons can I run with boltgun that arent rashad

[shadow dagger]

69% thermal 80% everything else with charge rate pseudo dumpstat

[undone jungle]

or dueling sword

[shadow dagger]

I run shockmaul with boltor

works fine

don't have to burn ammo or sit there awkwardly waiting for bulwarks to open up

[undone jungle]

I was running it earlier, I guess I'll go back to it

a bit sad it got nerfed last patchie

I ran agni a bit but I just hated the moveset so bad. It's nice that it can interrupt crushers with the push attack but mk3s moveset is so much nicer

I'll probably run mk3 scrusher+high volt

[shadow dagger]

I run falter because I hate ragers with a passion

[undone jungle]

yeah fuck it i'll run falter too

its basically the new lightning reflexes since that got nerfed

[tall torrent]

Power sword / shock maul / chainsword / DC sword

[undone jungle]

yeahh

I love me chaxe too but without the right talents it feels awful

[shadow dagger]

I tried boltgun psword and my dodge economy felt so goddamn bad

[undone jungle]

basically same issue

[shadow dagger]

idk what I need to do to relearn good dodge discipline

[junior hawk]

i like shovel with everything

[shadow dagger]

but I feel like I need that like asap

[undone jungle]

mk6 meat eating besides the dodges on it feel poup

might hop on Dclaw

just cus I need mastery on it Badly

[supple stag]

Shock Maul is really fun lil' weapon

[undone jungle]

yeah honestly it's my goto for many vet builds

that is SAD lmao I used to use dclaw so much

haven't used it at all this update

[hollow ibex]

that's weird, you should get credit for the blessigns you owned 🤔

got scammed bro

[shadow dagger]

oh chainsword lights dont oneshot trash mobs with my current exe build

that doesnt feel great

[tall torrent]

Play weapons that have normal dodges (~+1% dodge distance, 5 dodges)

And just spam crusher + bruiser mixed horde

[shadow dagger]

sigh

back to rashad then i guess

[tall torrent]

U could play easy and run duelling sword

It’s much easier for that kind of practice

[faint beacon]

Shovel..

[tall torrent]

With enough experience u can move to lower dodge distance weapons

[shadow dagger]

i havent touched dueling sword almost on principle since they removed the class lock

i should probably get on that actually

[undone jungle]

that's true, but I only owned one (very decent) DClaw

so maybe that's why

[grave hawk]

most recommended horde melee?

[formal hamlet]

I see, I'm using a plasma gun build from games lantern so it's probably not optimal but I'll share it here and you guys can tell me if it's decent. It's good enough for Heresy, but ideally I want my builds to scale well into higher difficulties so I can slowly work my way up as I get better at the game.

[shadow dagger]

breakpoint intensive weapons typically do pretty poorly in lower difficulties because of how varied unmaxed stats get

[formal hamlet]

I can't one-tap the big heavy armoured ogryns on Heresy, does it mean my build is bad and is not reacing the breakpoints I need?

[shadow dagger]

no those are supposed to be hard to kill

i believe you can oneshot those, but its massively wasteful and inconvenient

[tall torrent]

That’s fine, you’re rly not meant to 1 tap them on uncharged shots

[formal hamlet]

Oh, speaking of uncharged shots.

[hearty panther]

-laughs in revolver-

[formal hamlet]

I was told ages ago to just always hip fire the plasma, do I want to be using the right click on it?

[tall torrent]

The usually optimized breakpoints are for damnation (20% more enemy health than heresy)

[tall torrent]

No

[formal hamlet]

Okay, just making sure, I was told hip fire is more optimal for DPS.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

This is the plasma gun build I've always run.

I'm sure it's been posted here many times.

It had a lot of upvotes so at the time I figured it's probably a safe bet to run.

I do however run power sword instead of the assault chainsword.

And my plasma gun is not a good roll.

[orchid hemlock]

GL 😔

[grave hawk]

i dont tend to care for plasma

bolter go brrrr

[formal hamlet]

Also question regarding curios. How crucial are they for the builds? I don't really know how to get good curios so I just try to use whatever comes closest, but it feels much, much harder to get the exact curios people recommend compared to weapons.

[hollow ibex]

pretty important, though it's mostly for defensive purposes

[shadow dagger]

you can modify the most important parts of curios however much you like

[formal hamlet]

So long as I have a curio that does the main thing like more toughness or more health or more stamina, I'm probably okay right? Getting one with the exact substats seems really hard.

Oh I didn't know I can modify them.

[shadow dagger]

the main stat is usually close to fine as long as you get the specific stat

[formal hamlet]

That should make it much easier.

[shadow dagger]

@tall torrent does redirect fire/fireteam hit any breakpoints on boltpistol that puncture wouldnt

[formal hamlet]

Do we have a good recon lasgun build I can look into making?

[formal hamlet]

What even is the top 5? I'm curious.

[tall torrent]

Yes

Scab gunner 1HS

If u take both fire team and redirect fire

Because like I said, the gun is missing 5~8% damage for breakpoints

[shadow dagger]

i think im running everything on the guide with unarmored over elite other than redirect fire/fireteam

and i seem to be hitting scab gunner 1hs

weird

[tall torrent]

Do u have superiority complex

[shadow dagger]

ya

[tall torrent]

Because that’s enough for breakpoint

[shadow dagger]

thats mentioned in the guide though isnt it

oh

[tall torrent]

But if u don’t then it’s a massive pain to get breakpoint

It’s very dependent on superiority complex

[shadow dagger]

oh but i dont 1 body bombers or trappers after bleedout

thats icky

[tall torrent]

Run exe stance

Unarmored is for exe stance

U can 1 tap Tox bomber on bodyshot

[shadow dagger]

oh i can just run elite then

neat

oh that is outrageous

it didnt mentally register until now that bomber arms are unarmored

crazy

[slow spade]

yeah armor is kind of weird

scab flamer and bomber are the weirdest

as they're completely maniac instead of flak anywhere on them

[serene bough]

Isn't scab bomber unarmored on headshot and flak on body

[deft crystal]

vet class has claimed another

its a BABY!

[candid agate]

isnt that the old armageddon set?

or is that included with the new one we got

[formal hamlet]

Which mark do I want for combat blade and revolver?

[candid agate]

for combat blade its kinda your preference, both have good movesets and similar damage, so see which you one you prefer

[deft crystal]

YAS

THE COOLEST COMBO

[tall torrent]

Knife 6
Revolver 2a

[candid agate]

for revolver go with the mk2

[deft crystal]

THE FIRST MARK SINCE REVOLVER TAKES CARE OF enemies that need strikedown

Put precog and riposte on it

[candid agate]

just reached level 300 as vet

and im still shit at the game lol

[deft crystal]

with unyielding/stam or precog/uncanny

[formal hamlet]

For knife I got mercy killer and uncanny, for revolver I'm running hand canon and surgical. Those okay?

[formal hamlet]

Ah Mark 6, okay. I was running mark 3 because it had that head stab heavy like I used on the zealot knife build. I'll try 6.

[somber river]

How are knives on vets? Got a gold one from a mission the other day

Haven't really used them so got no clue

[trim steppe]

The max mainstats are 21% HP, 17% toughness, +3 stam, +1 wound. 20% HP and 16% toughness curios are good enough and pretty common. The perks can be changed at will at hadron, so it's very easy to roll whatever you want for a curio

[tame lodge]

They are decent
Just avoid bleed blessings and always aim for weakspots

And if you pick the Serrated Blade talent then you can easily use Mercy Killer

[balmy flume]

Fellow vets.
If my game display is messing up real bad, to where should I report this?

…huh nevermind.
Turns out the resolution display got reset for some reason lol.

[somber river]

Thanks, I tend to prefer sticking to like Haz 3 so was considering having knife + double barrel + sneak around ability

Speaking of, should I just be going for max reload speed on the double barrel or what?

[tame lodge]

Well for future reference you can report stuff at the forums

[somber river]

Cos I rolled the blessing that's like +70% reload speed after killing an enemy with both barrels

[tame lodge]

It's usable if you're not going for the Always Prepared node from Weapon Specialist

You should consider using Manstopper with it
For infinite cleave on crits

Or you could drop Both Barrels for Scattershot and get the Always Prepared node

[somber river]

Interesting, thanks for the tips

[deft crystal]

MERCY KILLER is fine

sorry caps

but precog and uncanny i like more

[shadow dagger]

if i

miss a tox bomber headshot because of those stupid bulbous bits on his back

one more time

[somber river]

Next time bring a tennis racket to deal with bombers

[primal zealot]

They really need to be made more visible and distinctive

They somehow blend into the scenery on every map while also looking like a dreg shotgunner who forgot all his gear

[grave hawk]

braced or infrantry autogun?

[tame lodge]

Do you want to hit heads? Infantry

Do you want to just spray and pray? Brauto

[slim terrace]

does the spearhead bolt gun work as well on vet as it does zealot?
or do i want to find a different weapon for something specific?

gonna start working on my vet today, as ive abandoned psyker

[grave hawk]

i enjoy the gun on vet more

[primal zealot]

Much better on vet lol since you can get stuff like suppression immunity extra ammo etc etc etc

So much stuff in the vet tree can help negate the bolters weaknesses

[fast sundial]

whar

so helbore headshots can get a bazillion cleave?

[primal zealot]

Yea wat

I’ve never even seen that before

[fast sundial]

so if i shoot a horde at head height they all just fall over?

[primal zealot]

Only one way to find out

[sleek garden]

The no ammo maelstrom is so tough

[fast sundial]

also wtf is this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510832391284326431/1299826356842008726/image.png?ex=671e9d21&is=671d4ba1&hm=2d6a5900ee32570b330969bcb52b2bb31a0cbb3f01175da3f7806d13824a75eb&

[deft crystal]

idek

I saw that to

[fast sundial]

like thanks that explained everything

[deft crystal]

Rending armor on charged shots

[obsidian mesa]

What power sword blessings should i use

[deft crystal]

so like

a hellbore blessing

or plasma

[tall torrent]

No

[deft crystal]

stacks are undefined

[tall torrent]

It’s “consider enemy mass as 0.5x on weakspot hit”

[deft crystal]

wtf is that fatshark

[tall torrent]

So if you only hit weakspot it makes all of ur attacks have 2x cleave

[deft crystal]

spahgetti code

[tall torrent]

It also works passively

Benefitting ur melee weapon as well

[obsidian mesa]

^^

[deft crystal]

Brutal momentum and power cycler

[tall torrent]

I have these listed in my guide

[formal hamlet]

Power cycler and brutal momentum.

[obsidian mesa]

Thanks

[fast sundial]

i have been enjoying power cycler and slaughterer

it's funny on elite packs

[obsidian mesa]

What about stub revlover blessings

Revolver

[distant girder]

Here's hoping these two return soon

[fast sundial]

curious

[fast sundial]

surgical hand cannon

[obsidian mesa]

Thanks

What mark?

[formal hamlet]

Mark II

[tame lodge]

Best we can do is like 7 groaners or 6 walkers

Yeah?

[obsidian mesa]

Thank you

[ocean idol]

Is there any point in serrated blade?

[shadow dagger]

free mercy killer if you want to actually run right tree without getting a stomachache

[tawdry jackal]

I’m now working on the Rashad

[obsidian mesa]

What perks should i use on power sword

[tawdry jackal]

I like the swing pattern ever since I tried it out on zealot

[grave hawk]

power cycler

[tawdry jackal]

So ya, shits gonna be crazy real soon

[grave hawk]

and you chose either brutal

or

i cant remeber other one

[obsidian mesa]

Perks

[grave hawk]

oh mb

[obsidian mesa]

Its fine

[grave hawk]

carapace

anddd

unyield

[obsidian mesa]

Okay thanks

[tawdry jackal]

Idk why the mod author can’t unfuck their shit for that one blessing

[obsidian mesa]

Whats the difference between carapace and flak

[grave hawk]

carapace is boss and crusher

flak is more mauler i think

[ocean idol]

is not mercy killer pretty bad?

[tawdry jackal]

Head is carapace tho iirc

It’s why you bodyshot them

[grave hawk]

that sounds rigth

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac

[primal zealot]

Bosses aren’t carapace they’re unyielding except the scab captains who are flak

[tawdry jackal]

Unyielding is worth using brittleness on right?

[tall torrent]

Depends

Usually no

[tawdry jackal]

I’m think for the ogryn ripper gun that has the can opener blessing

Doesn’t hurt to stab someone real quick then swing for their head right?

[tame lodge]

Oh that blessing applies a lot of brittleness though

At once

[tall torrent]

If ur weapon has 1 or higher unyielding ADM, u don’t need brittleness usually

[tawdry jackal]

Yeah it applies max stacks at once

[tawdry jackal]

Where can I look up those values?

[obsidian mesa]

What kind of curios should i be pairing with power sword

[tall torrent]

In-game weapon inspect damage table

[thorn plinth]

I hope we get a better Commissar coat than that, I'm using the Rogue Trader coat because I feel like it's actually a better "Commissar" coat

[serene apex]

Alternative to plasma gun? For comissar build?

[deft crystal]

Bolt pistol

or revolver

[thorn plinth]

Depends on what your commissar build is

I just take revolver or bolt pistol to take care of ranged elites and specials

[distant girder]

I'll take Dukane's coat!

[thorn plinth]

I also want Dukane's coat

And Dukane's pants

Gold trimmed Commissar boots with gilded prosthetic leg

[tawdry jackal]

Is there a spreadsheet for these anywhere?

[earnest bone]

Mercy Killer + Uncanny Strike + Serrated Blade knife is honestly awesome in how strong and consistent it is, you arent playing casino

[thorn plinth]

If I was using the Officer's coat, I'd use these pants for this but I'm using the Rogue Trader coat

The shiny leather and style of pants kind of clashes with the Rogue Trader coat imo

[viral bison]

What 2 blessings am I aiming for on my dueling sword if I want to clear hoard but also want it to poke the eye out of Crushers?

[thorn plinth]

Agile is what I would take ALWAYS but

[distant girder]

Thrust?

[thorn plinth]

Thrust or Uncanny is what I usually pick for the second

DS4 is OK at dealing with hordes when you have Agile as long as you aren't completely swarmed

VOC and Shredders usually fixes that though

[viral bison]

Thrust do sound like the go to there

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Rampage

[viral bison]

do you get enough milage on the uncanny before the crusher falls over?

[tame lodge]

Good question

[thorn plinth]

Don't personally use Uncanny but suggested it because someone said something about using it for hordes or something, I just use Agile Thrust

[viral bison]

on the dummy you kinda poke him out in 2 good hits, dunno if thrust helps there, or if uncanny does more

[thorn plinth]

[tame lodge]

And also uncanny doesn't work on unarmored/infested so rampage is the hard carry on "horde clear"

[viral bison]

Horde feels like its all about just, not getting hit so Agile starting to sound like a no-brainer.

[thorn plinth]

Might actually take Rampage instead of Thrust then

Because I feel like it might be better to take quick pokes instead of holding it

Only time I hold it is whenever I first engage

And Rampage would allow me to get the damage of Thrust faster during a horde without having to hold charge

Agile Rampage it is for me

[ocean idol]

Agile engagement + Weapon specialist + knife + revolver is pretty fun combo to play

Does Deadshot work with quickdraw revolver though?

[viral bison]

yeah i feel like when I have 5 crushers on me, i dont wanna hold shit

[thorn plinth]

Basically what I was doing fighting a mauler group, just kept backdodging, walking slightly forward for a quick thrust and then backdodging again

[haughty cove]

do peeps mash lights or heavies when running mk1 shovel against hordes?

[thorn plinth]

DS4 is so safe with Agile

[tall torrent]

Idk

[tall torrent]

Get riposte

[thorn plinth]

I was using Riposte for a bit but then I stopped using Desperado and Reciprocity so it didn't feel worth to keep

[tall torrent]

Riposte is just worth in general

[ocean idol]

so i just tested, it basically does not add any damage lmao

Mercy killer is absolutely useless

[inner temple]

Combos but depends on weapon and skills.

[thorn plinth]

Does each dodge stack crit chance or is it only 20%?

[ocean idol]

it adds like 50 damage

[primal zealot]

Only 20

[tall torrent]

What

Which attack

[primal zealot]

Still tho a free extra 20% crit on dodge is awesome

[fast sundial]

not picking uncanny is pretty crazy

[ocean idol]

Can anyone else confirm how much damage mercy killer adds?

[primal zealot]

Way better than shred

[ocean idol]

push attack

[tall torrent]

It’s 60% weakspot finesse

[formal hamlet]

Are there any tricks for doing On Overwatch and Make Every Shot Count penances?

[tall torrent]

Which Armor target

[ocean idol]

it is not finesse lmao

[tame lodge]

Heavy heavy push attack

[ocean idol]

if it was finesse, it would be amazing