veteran-class

[primal zealot]

Idk tho I have mobility as a dump on mine and the stagger is still rather weak

[idle pecan]

do i want dumdum deathspitter or is dumdum infernus fine

[primal zealot]

Dd infernus lol

[rocky jacinth]

everybody will give you a different answer because the game is actually kinda good

[primal zealot]

+unyielding and it makes a pretty decent boss killer on top of being great at taking out the morbillion little shooters spread out all over every room in every map

[idle pecan]

wonder if i should run it with exe stance

💀

[primal zealot]

Do it lol

[idle pecan]

im tempted to go full left tree and pew pew everything

[vernal rock]

I find it hard not to take voice of command

[primal zealot]

Probably not a terrible idea but there’s some seriously indispensable shit to the right of the tree

[vernal rock]

Just makes getting out of tights spots that much easier

[idle pecan]

VoC is just fucking busted

[primal zealot]

Yea same tbh but I play vet as a support bitch rather than going for maximum killing capacity

[idle pecan]

i like to do a little of both tbh

[vernal rock]

Me too

[idle pecan]

should i go for MF or Focus Target

[vernal rock]

Lemme go get mine up rq

It'll take 2 mins bear with me

[orchid hemlock]

Niether, WS

[runic axle]

For Rashad do I want decapitator or headtaker with momentum?

[near sable]

go weapon specialist.. the attackspeed is addictive

[tropic abyss]

if you have the points, MF + camouflage >>> tagging enemies with a funny colour

[verbal burrow]

Middle purple, tbh

[idle pecan]

which one is good for handling like, everything

[orchid hemlock]

WS

[vernal rock]

Focus Target for me

[runic axle]

Focus Target is better for the whole team

Other two are better for you

[idle pecan]

would this be good

with this

[orchid hemlock]

NO

oh ur going recon

recon doesnt take a keystone

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[idle pecan]

oh really? damn

no crit nodes? or hh?

do we just not care about shocktrooper

[orchid hemlock]

i do have a crit node

[verbal burrow]

Shocktrooper looks cool on paper but there is so much else you could do with that

[primal zealot]

No survivalist or shock trooper ?

[verbal burrow]

Survivalist also looks cool on paper but there is so much fire team you could get instead

[orchid hemlock]

no ST is important on recon

[verbal burrow]

I can make it work without by just not roleplaying Arnie in Predator

[primal zealot]

Depends on team comp I guess

[orchid hemlock]

+5% crit for free, and reci which gives u 25%

[primal zealot]

If you’ve got 3 psykers who gives a shit but if you’re competing with a gungryn for ammo the match can quickly become annoying and shitty

Like I had one the other day 2 vets with recons and no survivalist

[orchid hemlock]

ST isnt just for the ammo, it allows u to shoot for longer peroids

[verbal burrow]

At least most people agree on this part of the tree

That's already a very solid foundation to build on

[tropic abyss]

I disagree

[primal zealot]

Lmk when fire team adds a real amount of dmg

[orchid hemlock]

for recon or in general?

the aura is ass

the reason u go this is because of krak and you save an extra point

if u want frag u can take survivalist, but u wil have 1 less point for the rest of the tree

[tall torrent]

survivalist pathing actually uses less points

because if u don't take survivalist

there's no reason not to take agile engagemtn (2 points)

[verbal burrow]

As a general thing

[orchid hemlock]

how do u use less if u are going VOC?

[verbal burrow]

Another good investment is

[runic axle]

Krak isn't that good too honestly.

[verbal burrow]

Because I don't have to branch from the left side to the middle and pay 4 extra points for krak damage and krak manufacturing

[verbal burrow]

I disagree

[tall torrent]

U can count

[verbal burrow]

If I do an auric mission the game throws like half a dozen bosses at us per mission

[runic axle]

The higher the difficulty the worse it gets. Shredder outperforms it for crowd control and AoE damage.

[runic axle]

The more bosses the are the less impactful is getting rid of 2 or so of them.

[tall torrent]

Frag, 5% ranged damage, catch a breath, survivalist, 5% reload
5 points

Krak, 5% health, grenade tinkerer, fire team, 10% melee damage, agile engagement
6 points

[orchid hemlock]

nah krak is very viable as a grenade

[hollow ibex]

I mean that’s what shredder is meant to do. Krak isn’t for aoe or crowd control

[verbal burrow]

Quite the opposite, the higher the difficulty, the happier I am that I have combat stim + saltzpyre tag + shout + twin kraks

[tall torrent]

What mode?

[orchid hemlock]

krak is very useful as an anti bullwalk and boss tool

[runic axle]

Yeah, but I feel like there are way more situations on Auric where a shredder is gonna save you/your team compared to krak.

[tall torrent]

You fight at most 2 bosses per game outside of monstrous specialists

[verbal burrow]

Mainly as an anti boss tool, any self respecting vet can deal with ogryns with their regular weapons

[verbal burrow]

Nah I've seen far worse and I will prepare accordingly

[tall torrent]

Do u farm daemonhosts or smth

[verbal burrow]

No aurics just get a little crazy sometimes

[hollow ibex]

Shredder’s usefulness decreases drastically if you have a strong melee weapon in my experience

[tall torrent]

Game spawns at most 2 monsters per mission

[runic axle]

I mean, there is a multiplier that makes it so that there are a lot of bosses, but they have their health cut or something

[verbal burrow]

Highest I have seen is 6 monsters in 1 mission

[hollow ibex]

I run both all the time though

I like shredders too

[tall torrent]

That’s monstrous specialists…

[orchid hemlock]

why would I take agile engagement for recon?

or 10% melee?

[runic axle]

If my Zealot and/or psyker is a moron I'd rather have a shredder to deal with 8 ogryns

[tall torrent]

That’s like the only case where u take fire team but don’t take agile engagement

[verbal burrow]

That's a big if in a premade

[runic axle]

None of my friends play the game, I'm always with randos

So in my case it's most of the situations

[orchid hemlock]

krak I actually prefer now, simply because it is useful at taking out key targets that are annoying

[hollow ibex]

Yah and it’s funny against bosses

[runic axle]

Problem is, again, teammates are morons. So if you throw a krak there's a good chance that it's target will get killed by someone else before it even explodes

[orchid hemlock]

it also has magnitization which means I can throw it into a horde and it will always stick to the heaviest armored target

[verbal burrow]

You can literally use #vox-lfg-nasa and/or #vox-lfg-emea

[hollow ibex]

I mainly run shredders when my melee weapon has bad horde clear

[hollow ibex]

Nah it’s called target selection

Pick a good target and that’s not an issue

[verbal burrow]

I'd run Shredders now that I'm levelling up this yee-yee ass axe

[runic axle]

I'm from Eu, more specifically ukraine and I don't feel like speaking with a scuffed accent, so I'll stick with randoms.

[verbal burrow]

English has ruined my Dutch accent and I do just fine

[runic axle]

The second veteran on my team on his way to target the bulwark on the other side of the map that I stuck a krak to instead of the other 2 that are mauling the ogryn

[verbal burrow]

If you're going with randoms then may the Benificent God Emperor help you in the depths of the Auric Storm

[runic axle]

It's like they're doing this on purpose

[verbal burrow]

That's why this is so important

[deft crystal]

THE POINT TAX

[verbal burrow]

You gots to pavlov train your team into following your superior target marking

[deft crystal]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[orchid hemlock]

what about vraks 5?

[runic axle]

I stick it to enemies nearby - they kill them quick, I throw it at someone in the distance - they fucking target that sucker with a boltor/plasma.

[runic axle]

I like to be an Ikea zealot, so i use weapon specialist.

[indigo edge]

I really felt this when I was doing the penance for the krak grenade lol

[verbal burrow]

I can respect ikea zealot

Yeah I generally save my kraks for bosses or when I meet a Bulwark in a dark alley cause it's faster

[tall torrent]

I can’t comprehend dropping agile engagement if u don’t take survivalist, outside of recon

[low wagon]

is ChainAxe okay nowadays for horde clear? which variant and how should I use it? mk4 heavies with headhunter slaughterer?

[hollow ibex]

Chain axe is pretty bad at horde clear

[verbal burrow]

The blessings in combination with those perks really seal that deal

This is also why I don't really bother with shredder grenade anymore. I am the shredder now

[low wagon]

:( anything else you could recommend aside from caxe, psword and devil? I wanna spice things up to pair with recon that's supposed to handle every though situation

[verbal burrow]

And since I also pick up Out for Blood I basically heal off Melee like it is Space Marine 2

[low wagon]

but I want sth that's reliable to kill hordes and few elites here and there

[timid wolf]

For my recon lasgun I got DumDum for the first blessing. Then the guide gives a choice of 3. Which ones do you guys like? I'm using the XII if it matters.

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword
It’s broken

[verbal burrow]

DumDum and the burning on crit are pretty standard

[low wagon]

I tried Chainsword few times, but it seemed to struggle with anything armored a lot

[tall torrent]

Horde clear is on the slow side but u can cope with it

[verbal burrow]

Duelling sword is pretty dope yes

[low wagon]

yeah, I guess, it's the only thing I was running on psyker for a long time

now they will nerf it...

[timid wolf]

Infernus?

[runic axle]

I honestly feel like the shredder could be swapped with mobility for a dump stat. It's only the special ability, no?

[tame lodge]

That's the XIIIg

Sure they could change marks

[tall torrent]

Wrong blessings

[tame lodge]

But XIIIg likes shredder

[runic axle]

?

[verbal burrow]

I enjoy the revving up for killing things tbh

[runic axle]

Rashad with Momentum.

[verbal burrow]

My happy horde clearing bonanza disagrees

[verbal burrow]

It really does

[tall torrent]

It can’t activate rampage & savage sweep vs bruisers unless u go into the PA combo

Which takes 2 attacks before heavy sweep

[verbal burrow]

I do the same thing on my zealot but thicker

[tall torrent]

Also wrong blessings lol

[verbal burrow]

Also overhead heavies with rev up

I disagree

[tall torrent]

Rampage is fine

Savage sweep no

[verbal burrow]

Sir Kruber would be very disappointed in those words

[tall torrent]

Cleave damage distribution disagrees with you

Too bad

[verbal burrow]

I am mainly concerned with it slicing through everything in the arc and staggering them

[tall torrent]

Take shred + perfect strike then

[verbal burrow]

Granted if I know that I am going to have to clutch I will change to Rampage and Momentum

But in general the cleave is just as nice here as it was in VT2

[tame lodge]

There's also the forbidden Evis15 Wrath Sweep that I can't recommend because it's purely meme material

[verbal burrow]

The best part being that the mark 15 Tigrus's light attack chain is just perfectly horizontally levelled sweeps that decapitate entire swathes in one go

[tall torrent]

Nah

It only damages 4 enemies per swing

[verbal burrow]

I see the heads flying my friend

[tame lodge]

Fucking target cap

[tall torrent]

If you wanted a stagger stick, you take perfect strike

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[tall torrent]

U can load into meat grinder and check right now

Swing at the 5 groaners grouped together

See if all 5 takes damage

[verbal burrow]

I shall

[tame lodge]

Well have fun

[verbal burrow]

I'd be very surprised if it caps out at 4 considering that wasn't a thing in VT2 and fatshark has no incentive or rationale for borking melee that badly

[tall torrent]

I’ve been trying to tell u facts the entire time

[tame lodge]

They rationale is that Mk3 exists

[tall torrent]

Which is just worse

Evicerator mk3 H1 has some abysmal cleave damage distribution

[tame lodge]

It does pack a punch on critspot against flak
I'll give it that

And maybe hordes

[verbal burrow]

I am seeing it damage all five in the cluster, yes

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Did u rev it

Do a regular light attack

[verbal burrow]

The mark 15 evi also has great anti horde light attack spam and great anti thiccboi heavies

[verbal burrow]

regular light attack

[tall torrent]

Can u show a recording

[verbal burrow]

it did only kill the first four tho

[tall torrent]

5 full health groaners
Just 1 light attack swing

[tame lodge]

[verbal burrow]

yes

[tall torrent]

Show a recording

Pls

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1288045280670781470/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.24_-_03.51.34.08.mp4?ex=66f3c125&is=66f26fa5&hm=bb0bac0898833f850b8867a8befc5856c0d0c3d9da18ee9282068056f492cd14&

Nah

[verbal burrow]

Seems like it's just a case of someone's HP bar floating over another dude and I am only damaging 4 per swing

[tame lodge]

💀

[verbal burrow]

That is a mood

[tall torrent]

Are u starting to understand what I meant

[tame lodge]

It goes up to 6 targets when revved

Or 7 if it bites
But it won't

[verbal burrow]

I can see that it is the way you are describing it, but I do not understand why they would do this, no. Makes no sense. Back in the Kruber days you could slice through entire hordes. Even so there is still the benefit of it staggering everything it doesn't damage

[tall torrent]

Like I said, if u wanted to stagger, you take shred + perfect strike

Savage sweep is entirely redundant on this weapon

This is not the only weapon with damage-target-cap either

[verbal burrow]

Will it complete it's entire swing and stagger the hordelings even without cleave?

[tall torrent]

Chainaxes’ sweeping attacks
Ogryn bully clubs’ sweeping attacks
Evicerators’ light sweeping attacks

[tame lodge]

Because Evis15 would be too good

[tall torrent]

Like I said, if u wanted to stagger, you take shred + perfect strike

Perfect strike is 4x effective cleave on critical hit

[verbal burrow]

But will the mk 15 Evi's light attack still stagger everything in it's arc without catching on a piece of bone?

Without the cleave?

[tall torrent]

Which part of “4x effective cleave” do u not understand

[verbal burrow]

The part where I am not getting an answer

The main reason why I would retain cleave at this point is because even if I can't damage all of them, at least hitting them will prevent them from attacking me. Will it still be able to do that without the 200% cleave?

[tall torrent]

You take savage sweep to stagger hordes through cleave (no damage)
Perfect strike makes your critical attacks’ cleave hit significantly more mass (still no damage) therefore staggering them (if they are to be staggered in the first place)

This weapon also has innately very high cleave

11.7

You’re most likely going to hit 4 targets before that 11.7 cleave is expired vs a horde

[verbal burrow]

Shred + Perfect Strike does look extremely tasty

[tall torrent]

It’s shred + rampage/perfect strike for this weapon

[orchid hemlock]

u only go perfect strike with piety tho

[verbal burrow]

I was also considering Rampage + Momentum for the additional Toughness intake

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1122f5-8a50-4b29-a5a8-561f71ddb3a7/eviscerator-thru-butter?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tame lodge]

Oh it's butter

[orchid hemlock]

nobody has upvoted it tho 😔

i spend a good 1 minute making that image

graphic design is my passion

[verbal burrow]

It did feel like a scourge moment

Speaking of Talents, I noticed this one doesn't seem to be doing what it's description says

[tall torrent]

Usually not worth

[tall torrent]

You should really look at guide sources
In-game tooltip are not always accurate

And the game doesn’t tell u many things

Like that evicerator damage-distribution cap of 4

[tame lodge]

There's a pinned video on Zealot's class about it

[serene bough]

i never understood why some weapons have damage caps

[tame lodge]

It's tied to the sprint dodge mechanic

My beloved

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211063504174583940/1295014145066012672/Utiyu1X.png?ex=671655e8&is=67150468&hm=6f431d5760000288b274555f5ed3730ab88de844c825031979c168e2a6156886&

Swift certainty allows u to keep avoiding ranged attacks via sprinting (from green directions) when out of stamina

Normally u only avoid them if u have stamina

[verbal burrow]

That's unfortunate

[tame lodge]

I lost a game recently because a stalker spawned from thin air at a good angle and shot me once, taking me out of sprint

Hmm
Guess they are named stalkers for a reason

[runic axle]

Is having a dump stat of 59% better because that means that small .X% that aren't shown are going elsewhere or is the game just scamming me out of 1% mobility.

[verbal burrow]

I need to go test this new eviscerator shenanigans

I also just realized that you can add a ranged weapon with puncture to ensure you get the bleed crits from the start

[tropic abyss]

got this from a random drop

[tall torrent]

Ideally u want defense dump

[tropic abyss]

see, you brought this up now

you recomend the same on the shovel

argue your point

defence on the shovel makes a huge difference on block cost

[tall torrent]

Extra dodge distance & sprint speed > marginally lower push & sprint stamina cost

[tall torrent]

It’s not block cost, it’s push & sprint cost

[tropic abyss]

push is good

[tall torrent]

0.4 less stamina use per push

[tropic abyss]

the dodge distance is 2%

[tall torrent]

Not very relevant in the grand scheme of things

[tall torrent]

That’s 0.05m more dodge distance

Push attack is mainly a single target attack for shovels

[tropic abyss]

that's 5cm

[tall torrent]

I fail to see what 0.4 less stamina use per push does in the long run

For a weapon that’s not push attack heavy for the most part

If you’re using pushes a lot, you’ll still be at low stamina in melee fights most of the time

[tropic abyss]

what about the sprint cost? sprinting is good

[tall torrent]

The rate at which you’re able to push in that scenario is not related to push cost, because you can push whenever you have stamina

[orchid hemlock]

i prefer defense on shovel because the push attack does a lot of damage and is ussually part of a lot of combos

[tropic abyss]

will the spring speed make up for it?

[tropic abyss]

which shovel?

[orchid hemlock]

but tbh both of them are ok dump stats, it isn't the end of the world

[tall torrent]

Sprint cost reduction is not as good as sprint speed generally

You can get a lot of sprint cost reduction from curios

The amount u get from defense is very low

[orchid hemlock]

standard

[tropic abyss]

the curios will give a higher reduction if the sprint cost is shit, right?

[tall torrent]

Curio perk 3x sprint efficiency is x61.4% sprint stamina cost

Which is ~63% more sprint duration

Defences basically just don’t matter that much overall

Push cost is meh because the rate at which u can push is more dependent on stamina regen delay than push cost

Sprint cost difference is marginal

[hollow ibex]

You didn’t just spam heavies with it?

[orchid hemlock]

that's for hordes

[hollow ibex]

Oh you PA single targets?

I haven’t used push attack much

[tall torrent]

For mk1 shovel, PA is the main single target atk

[orchid hemlock]

yes it's extremly potent as an overheadshot

[hollow ibex]

lol I need to try it out

[tropic abyss]

it's good, but still not the answer to carapace

[hollow ibex]

Haven’t used the shovel much recently

[tropic abyss]

for hordes you spam the heavy and for single targets you most of the time don't need it

the special is the big deal

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I’ll always take other things to deal with carapace if I’m taking standard shovel

[tropic abyss]

I mean, you can kind of deal with carapace, it just takes a while

[analog yacht]

what breakpoints btw?

[verbal burrow]

sign from the omnissiah innit

[tall torrent]

Unarmored gives Dreg gunner 1HS
Maniac gives both flamer 1HS, and crit 1 bodyshot Dreg rager

[verbal burrow]

Tested it, gotta say I noticed the toughness influx reduction, still contemplating this.

[tall torrent]

What zealot build are u running

[verbal burrow]

The theoretical crit stacking from the hit blessing and the bleed talent promises spiciness tho

[green willow]

is infernus and headhunter the way to go for the recon

[tall torrent]

Not for veteran

[tropic abyss]

all weapons are gifts from the Omnissiah

[verbal burrow]

Very close to https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1122f5-8a50-4b29-a5a8-561f71ddb3a7/eviscerator-thru-butter?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button but I wanted Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude to help randoms with their skill issues

[tall torrent]

But like
If you’re using chain weapons, it’s really just FotF

(Also it’s just FotF in general)

[green willow]

should I switch one of them out for dumdum

[tall torrent]

Build for ur kit first, then support teammate

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter

[verbal burrow]

I mean, sure, but since the randoms are clueless I sometimes have to take out a... ranged weapon and DMR specials and elites

[green willow]

that's the max damage build?

[tall torrent]

You can do that better with FotF

[tall torrent]

That’s recon in general (for veteran)

Why rely on DOT to kill things for u when u could kill things better more directly

[green willow]

Although I like infernus/headhunter as a crit build

why deathspitter

[tall torrent]

Because strength is good

And recon has very little value from crits

[verbal burrow]

Sort of like how Helldivers 2 has an orbital EMP strike but you could also just call down an orbital artillery shell

[green willow]

how does it proc again?

[tall torrent]

Ranged attack kill within 12.5m

Stacks 5 times

Up to +32.5% strength

Multiplicative stacking with damage

[green willow]

I use focus target as keystone

[verbal burrow]

Very well, I'll look into Fist of the Forth star

But 3 AM so defo snooze first

[tall torrent]

Zealot only really has 1 ability lol

The other 2 are purely for variety sake

[quartz breach]

What are the most important stats to get on 80 for plasma guns?

[verbal burrow]

I have chronic vet brain so I still try to pick off Specials and Elites with the Boltgun

[tall torrent]

Damage, stopping power
If you’re looking for perfect roll, you’ll need a very specific distribution
I have it written in detail in my guide

[tall torrent]

You have throwing knives

[verbal burrow]

I do, but battle sister cosplay

[quartz breach]

Where can I see it?

[tall torrent]

If you’re gonna play Boltgun on zealot, just take throwing knives

[tall torrent]

Check pins

[verbal burrow]

considering levelling a Flamer for it since Throwing Knives are a thing, yes

then she can woosh

[green willow]

what keystone is best

[verbal burrow]

Not gonna say best but I find middle to be least annoying for vet

[tall torrent]

Depends

If you’re using breakpoint weapons
Usually focus target

Otherwise, weapon specialist

[tropic abyss]

marksman focus is fun

[green willow]

I have weapons specialist for the weak spot damage and how frequent it activates from stealth

[tall torrent]

What

[rigid schooner]

you know, a thought about weapon specalist. the reload for melee kills is probably very useful for weapons with short/tolerable short reloads, but super long long reloads

i wonder which weapons qualify for that the most

[verbal burrow]

If you find you struggle with long reloads there's always the top right of the vet talent tree

[tall torrent]

For smth like Boltgun, take reload speed talents

[neat sinew]

is charge rate the dump stat for plasma gun?

[junior haven]

Surprisingly, no.

[rigid schooner]

i think it's 69% charge rate, 71% therma eff, right? or is that backwards

[verbal burrow]

It's a split between Thermal Resistance and Charge Rate

[junior haven]

I dunno the exact numbers. Thats a path question. I just know a low charge rate is gonna mess up your left click fire rate.

[verbal burrow]

Personally I couldn't be bothered to use the charge function so it's my dump stat

[rigid schooner]

plasma charge shots are mega doodoo so nobody uses em

[tall torrent]

Charge rate is not dump

[green willow]

the node where you gain stacks when standing

[tall torrent]

Reverse

[tropic abyss]

charge rate is dump on helbore

[tall torrent]

Not true

[green willow]

forgot names

[tall torrent]

Stability is dump on helbore

[rigid schooner]

i thought it was stability?

[verbal burrow]

Charging is like the main reason why the helbore exists, why would you dumpstat it?

[tropic abyss]

the difference between 60% and 80% charge rate is 0.08 seconds

[green willow]

paired with voice of command

[rigid schooner]

weight of fire blessing.

[tropic abyss]

even without weight of fire, it's 0.56s to charge at 60%

[worldly pulsar]

Still more impactful than stability on a weapon you fire as slowly as the Helbore

[junior haven]

I don't know what you mean by that, max. Just in general. Why is it that charging is the main reason for helbore? I figured it'd be range anddmg.

[static dagger]

how to kill crushers with devil claw parry?

[tropic abyss]

that's time to build up surgical and to take aim

[tall torrent]

You’re looking at ~24% firerate difference because of that

Nice

[verbal burrow]

...

[tropic abyss]

firerate is pointless if you miss

[worldly pulsar]

Time parry correctly, aim at crusher's head

[tall torrent]

Have u considered hitting ur shots

[verbal burrow]

If you're scoped in the shot goes to the iron sight no matter what

[tropic abyss]

no, I use it as a spear

[green willow]

should I take a knife as a complementary to the recon las or is power sword better

[tall torrent]

[static dagger]

also which blessing or talent should i get?

[tall torrent]

Too bad the damage got nerfed like 7 patches ago

[verbal burrow]

So let's start over. The Helbore's main feature is that you get to charge it up, like the Las Fusil in SM2. Why, then, would you nerf it's charge rate?

[umbral scaffold]

one of the 3 bbayonet does alright damage, and fast the one that swipes is ass

[verbal burrow]

If you're not going to use it's charge-up mode you may as well just use a revolver, a boltgun, a plasma gun or even a kantrael

[edgy dove]

perks for power sword :o?

[tall torrent]

None of them does anything remotely impressive outside of first target

Cleave distribution drops u down to 60 smth damage on 2nd target

[tropic abyss]

helbore buff when?

[worldly pulsar]

Things that give rending

[tall torrent]

It’s only ever relevant in 1v1 Dreg ragers

[tall torrent]

Pray? Idk lol

[green willow]

pray for a Hellgun

[umbral scaffold]

🙏

[junior haven]

That's a valid point.

[tame lodge]

Don't need

[tame lodge]

Put some respect on that swipe

It has 6.5 cleave (with bad cleave damage distribution)

Hold up

Hmm yeah

Seems like the swipe traded some first target damage for a little bit of damage distribution

But it comes at an angle

So if it hits the body it's going to lose some

[junior haven]

Just don't miss.

[tame lodge]

[junior haven]

[vapid nacelle]

perks for rashad?

[tame lodge]

Was it Unarmored then carapace or unyielding

[tall torrent]

carapace + unarmored/elite

[shadow dagger]

watching auric quickplayers fail at basic concepts like object permanence and target priority is always a little entertaining

vent purge/lights out always brings out the worst of people

[vapid nacelle]

it's been nonstop zealots running off and dying almost immediately for me today

[shadow dagger]

just watched a zealot with an autopistol toss a stun at my downed body, push a sniper on his way to running toward me

[vapid nacelle]

and also auric maelstrom teams that are just.. astonishingly unwilling to do things about the problem at hand

[shadow dagger]

and get sniped twice by the same sniper he pushed trying to stick the res

[vapid nacelle]

two runaway zealots in the same mission for one of them, right at the end of silo cluster

I had to all but solo a Chaos Spawn while they were distracted by like, 2 flamers and a mutant

and then before we were done looting

one of them rushed into the final objective and died INSTANTLY to like 20 gunners

and then the other rushed in to save them and also died instantly

the most concerning thing was me having top boss damage by a landslide, as a psyker with a rashad and like no melee investment or scrier's..

[deft crystal]

is there a way to tell if a mission is auric on manymore tries

[orchid hemlock]

AYOO????

CW: Asmongold's house

[edgy dove]

revolver blessing/perks?

[rigid schooner]

man, playing with the power sword takes a bit of getting used to
and by the emperor it's dumpy without power cycler

[shadow dagger]

the guide in the pinned messages has these things for all weapons i think

[uncut pebble]

Is he redeemed???

[hollow ibex]

Playing it without PC is a special type of hell

[junior hawk]

Hello @uncut pebble could you help pls?

[uncut pebble]

That's a good talent setup.

Weapon spec benefits revolvers and shotguns the most.

Specifically those with hand cannon and manstopper, respectively.

[junior hawk]

got it. thanks

[uncut pebble]

What I would do to make it better would be dropping bring it down and the travel node and grabbing agile engagement and always prepared.

[tropic abyss]

do bruisers count for the armourbane penance?

[uncut pebble]

Run manstopper double barrel and you'll be able to quickdraw a guaranteed crit with 25% bonus damage after you melee kill.

[uncut pebble]

Anything a krak sticks to except reapers, apparently.

Crushers, bulwarks, maulers, scab ragers, scab bruisers...

I dont think it sticks to scab bombers or flamers, but I could be wrong.

[junior hawk]

nice, i just wanted to try db shotgun as well

[hollow ibex]

Using a krak on a bomber

[tropic abyss]

I'll use krak on anything that helps with that penance

I don't care

[junior hawk]

according to gameslantern bombers have flak everywhere except head and lower arms

you can use enemy list with armor filters there

[edgy dove]

oh theres a guide? nice thanks

[crimson pebble]

bro had the orthus offensive irl

[tame lodge]

The emperor burned the Nurgle's garden on asmon's house

💀

[covert folio]

Any suggestions on what I should change for my recon lasgun build? Not super knowledgeable on vet tree stuff.

[tall torrent]

Change perk & blessing
Unyielding -> flak
Dum dum + deathspitter

[green willow]

I don't wanna ditch headhunter for my recon since I want infinite ammo with shock trooper

unsure about infernus

[tall torrent]

headhunter is only about 5% higher crit rate in practice

it's not as high value as u think

infernus loses in dps against the other 2 blessings

[somber axle]

It's more than 5% in practice without Reciprocity

But you have Recip

No need to double up

[tall torrent]

because burn stacks cap at 12 for infernus

[dry cloak]

Then ditch it for helbore

[somber axle]

As long as you maintain stacks Recip, 5% crit perk and 5% crit talent node with 5% Vet base crit will be more than enough

[viral nacelle]

What about boss and carapace?

[tall torrent]

infernus beats deathspitter for boss dps
but recon is a mid-low tier boss dps gun

deathspitter beats infernus for multi crusher kills

[somber axle]

If you really like Infernus use Dum Dum + Infernus. Dum Dum + Deathspitter is higher damage on most targets but Infernus DoT can be fun for killing fleeing targets and saving ammo

[viral nacelle]

I’d agree with that

[somber axle]

Carapace is also a valid perk if you want to kill Crushers faster

I usually run Carapace + Crit Chance

[viral nacelle]

Yeah same

Didn’t see much point in the rest, recon go brrr

I like infernus because clearing bosses with it while bopping weak points has saved a lot of runs with bad teams

[somber axle]

I like running Dum Dum + Infernus just because the visual effect and DoT are more fun to play with vs the passive buff Deathspitter gives

It never gets old setting a hound on fire and then it dies after it runs around a corner

[serene bough]

fun fact; if you use a health stim at full HP you just flip the little thing in your hand

[lime sluice]

Infernus is peak

[green willow]

how often does it proc

[dry cloak]

Go helbore and go sniping

[green willow]

this. I just want to have a pseudo flamethrower

[tame lodge]

More like
Big game hunting

[somber axle]

Reciprocity is this talent. It's easy to stack and maintain as long as you're in the thick of a fight

It can proc on both melee and ranged attacks. But it only procs on the first shot of a Gunner/Reaper volley iirc. It can proc on all three shots by the standard non-elite shooters for 3 stacks just for dodging through their shots

8 seconds is a very forgiving duration for fights so it's usually just a free 25% crit chance

The crit chance boosts both your melee and ranged crit chance

Reciprocity favours a very aggressive frontline style. If you tend to hang back behind squadmates the Headhunter blessing will be more benefit. But on Aurics being able to hang back behind squadmates without being threatened is a very rare thing so Reciprocity is just way more effective there

[rigid schooner]

honestly it just looks like a skill that you pick up, forget it's there, play normally, and get better stats

[somber axle]

It really is tbh

[rigid schooner]

rather than actively have to play around it or suffer

which is what i kinda fear about "on dodge" blessings, like riposte or precognition

[somber axle]

But it does require you to be more involved in fighting right in the middle of a firefight if you're playing on non-Auric difficulties

[rigid schooner]

which most likely aren't any different

[somber axle]

Precog feels so awkward because of the 2 sec duration on the buff. Riposte is more generous at 6 seconds

[dry cloak]

Its rather hard to snipe with helbore on aurics

[somber axle]

I've run a knife with Riposte + Flesh Tearer just to try bleed memes before and it was surprisingly fun. Less effective vs Uncanny + Executor on the Mk VI Knife though

[dry cloak]

Haynaker mk6 knoife

[stiff surge]

best weapon to get the no ammo 90% acc penance? Im thinking revolver

[austere mica]

Explode

[austere mica]

Double barrel with weapon specialist

Your playstyle involves only shooting at horde

Just be aggressive with ammo usage

[stiff surge]

Ill do that, cheers

[tame lodge]

Point and Click

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-gojo-meme-gif-8156098859967931179

[umbral scaffold]

Point and Click but replace your cursor with a cinderblock

[rigid schooner]

simply turn mouse sensitivity up

smh

[dry cloak]

Or mount and optic using weapon customization mod

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-bionicle-tahu-toa-mata-nui-gif-16394533599875169047

[austere mica]

I find magnified optics suck in Darktide

[umbral scaffold]

yeah but that requires too much effort and too many crashes

[austere mica]

All engagements are within 60m absolute max

[dry cloak]

That includes lasgun sights

Ive put a scope on helbore. You aim with the upper line, not the dot

[tame lodge]

Huh

[austere mica]

I wouldn’t consider the reflex’s magnified because they use the base zoom on every weapon I put them on

Because I use the laspistol sights

[dry cloak]

Fair

[austere mica]

Anything higher is a genuine impediment

[dry cloak]

Well i use martyrs gaze was it? And do good with it

[austere mica]

actually, I’m lying out my ass

I use exterminatus lens on Agrivovler and Dbarrel

[dry cloak]

Both do nothing because you brace

Unless mod changes something

[austere mica]

That’s the funny part

It’s just a goofy ass scope on a weapon that doesn’t use it so my gun looks stupid

[dry cloak]

My graia vigilant was made to looj stupid

I believe i posted it here yesterday

[austere mica]

Most of my weapons look decent, the big scope actually looks good on dbarrel

[dry cloak]

Give us elephant gun

[austere mica]

We have two

3 even

[dry cloak]

I mean a proper one. 700nitro express double barrel rifle

[glacial marlin]

Is plus 3 stamina a curio you can still get? I haven't seen one yet.

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bison-street-fighter-yes-gif-3718772

[stiff surge]

It worked!

[leaden skiff]

I thought there was a mod that showed you whether or not there's stuff in a chest, am I nutty?

[trim steppe]

Not that I've seen

[earnest bone]

there's only the autoloot one

but that's not markings indeed

[rigid schooner]

i have one that shows that chests exist?

though it's been so long that might be vanilla

[daring sage]

i really dont think it needs to click animation

[woven oak]

In VT2 you could ping chests to see what's inside. Haven't seen a mode for it in DT

[trim steppe]

LOL I just did a mission where I did more overkill damage than I did normal damage

[leaden skiff]

Yeah no, I'm just tired of getting fuckin jebaited into running over to a big chest only to find NOTHING in it

[dry cloak]

I dont undestand what are you trying to say

[daring sage]

the pullout click animation of the hellbore, makes it harder to use in aurics imo

[dry cloak]

Fair

[thorn plinth]

Finally found the melee weapon I like on Veteran, and it happens to be the weapon Vet just got

[deft crystal]

Ok boys

time for a d barrel build

We need one thats as brain dead as possible

[daring sage]

this is my current double barrel shotgun build, does anyone have any advice on how to improve this

[austere mica]

Why are you taking the 5% crit node

Also what blessings/perks

[daring sage]

i had one point left lol

\

[austere mica]

Take field improv, or a stamina regen delay node

[austere mica]

Both barrels is kind of useless for weapon spec

[dry cloak]

Changr survivalist to movement speed aura

[deft crystal]

No keystone

You dont need one with d barrel

[austere mica]

I would recommend scattershot or flechette

[austere mica]

Yes you fucking do

What part of load a shell every 3 kills sounds optional

[dry cloak]

You nee weapon specialist

[austere mica]

You can run without, sure

[deft crystal]

but mah reload anim

[austere mica]

But why would you

[deft crystal]

rule of cool

[dry cloak]

And with both barrels kill dont take upgrades to weapon specialist just he big node

[austere mica]

It’s also the only way to garuntee crits

You can’t get 100% without it unless you use deadshot or something

[dry cloak]

Im gonna try agrip shotgun exe stance

[daring sage]

ah yeah you get like 1 bullet back everyt ime you swap

[dry cloak]

Yes its useless o db with both barrels

[daring sage]

what shoudl i do what my last point lol

[austere mica]

Grab field improv or a stamina regen delay mode

[narrow frost]

I do think ammo aura is wasted points

[dry cloak]

Put it into weapon swap speed

[narrow frost]

path middle to save points

[daring sage]

yeah i swapped that one out

wait

[narrow frost]

[austere mica]

Or reroute through movespeed aura to get agile engagement

[dry cloak]

Path roght to save points and get stelth

[austere mica]

You really want agile engagement

[rigid schooner]

what about stealth vet so you can cram double shots into shooter heads etc

[daring sage]

i have this now

[dry cloak]

Drop agro and you go kill shoters better than stealth zealot

[daring sage]

and 1 point left

[dry cloak]

Because minus 90%threst bode on infiltrste

[austere mica]

You need always prepared

[narrow frost]

1 extra point

[austere mica]

Exploit weakness is a weird choice

[narrow frost]

ooh

mb

[austere mica]

Just worse than +25 toughness

[narrow frost]

didnt check weapon

[dry cloak]

Double barrels with both barrels blessing

So upgrade to weapoc spec is useless

[austere mica]

Both barrels is just kind of mid

It’s outclassed

By the sheer might that is Manstopper

[dry cloak]

Its outclassed yes

[daring sage]

what other blessing is better?

[austere mica]

And the stuff required to support it

[narrow frost]

manstopper deathspitter

[dry cloak]

He has bothbarrels and manstopper

[austere mica]

Deathspitter doesn’t work here

[narrow frost]

or fullbore

[austere mica]

It only applies to a follow-up shot

[narrow frost]

nice

[austere mica]

I would recommend Flechette

[narrow frost]

I still use it

[austere mica]

Or scattershot

[dry cloak]

Fullbore on db? Weird choice

[narrow frost]

its funny

point blank a sniper

[dry cloak]

I get fullbore on agrip shotgun

[narrow frost]

nice

[narrow frost]

Up to you, but manstopper is a need

[deft crystal]

Did they remove maulers and crushers from twins?

[low wagon]

how is Man-Stopper / Scattershot

[dry cloak]

Both barrels is funny because fsst realod

[dry cloak]

Good on all shotguns

[narrow frost]

irrelevant with wp upgrade

[low wagon]

gotta try it out sometime

[daring sage]

how much cleave does the db have by itself

[austere mica]

Not much

Manstopper is literally infinite

[dry cloak]

4.5 was it by default?

[austere mica]

Without it I can get like, 7 pox kills or so?

[dry cloak]

Not enough tonpierce throigh a rager

[austere mica]

With I can get 20+ instant with a few more from Flechette bleed

[dry cloak]

With manstopper the fun begins

Of one shoting hordes

[daring sage]

i used db reload thing because i can one shot ragers

[austere mica]

I’d post my Manstopper demonstration but it’s on my desktop

Give me a second

Silly

This is a stack of 50

[dry cloak]

I use caxe with weapon spec

[austere mica]

I didn’t have kill counter so no big funny number on screen

[daring sage]

lmao

for melee i use rashad braindead stuff

[dry cloak]

Similiar results with accatran pump shotgun

[daring sage]

wait i didnt think of using that one

can i use the same blessings with that

[dry cloak]

Yes

But with punps u choose between max damage or max accuracy

Accatran for damage and agripinna for accuracy

[austere mica]

Lawb is best though

[daring sage]

🤔

[dry cloak]

You mean zarona

[austere mica]

No

I don’t

I mean lawbringer

[dry cloak]

The blue one

Therr is no lawbringer shotgun now

[austere mica]

The new shotgun names are a travesty and I refuse to acknowledge them

[dry cloak]

Then be stuck in the past for eternity

[rigid schooner]

how many people still say the "columnus" iag?

[austere mica]

It will always be the lawbringer and you cannot convince me otherwise

It is an objectively better name

Being called the zarona also associates it with the zarona revolver and I simply will not stand for it

[dry cloak]

A lot. But colmnus is now the medium one

[daring sage]

is the blue one genuinely good

or are you pulling my leg

[austere mica]

Yes

[sharp trail]

what is it called now

[austere mica]

Cool fact, picking a shotgun for its primary fire is bait

You pick it for the alt shell

[dry cloak]

All of the pump are good

[dry cloak]

Vraks mk5

[sharp trail]

😭 what was the point

[austere mica]

GW being a bit too silly

[dry cloak]

James workshop tantrum

[daring sage]

Okay this build is nice sith the accatran now trying the green one

[dry cloak]

Green shotgun is accurate one

[sharp trail]

GW renaming the fucking double barrel shotgun from ironhelm to crucis even though the former has like one single mention of its existence from 10 years ago and the latter seems to have been introduced with darktide

[dry cloak]

Well obese fish answers to gw because LORE accuracy of manufactprums

[low wagon]

GW? any source on that?

[dry cloak]

License to make a gsme in wh40k

Thats the only source you need

[low wagon]

I'd rather have something more concrete before I repeat it

[dry cloak]

Its like signing a contract with a devil

[low wagon]

I mean, I know GW perfected ruining Warhammer long, long time ago

But is there any evidence that it's GW who wanted name changes, rather than FatShark themselves?

[austere mica]

FS wouldn’t randomly change the names of like 15 guns for no reason

[low wagon]

lol, they would

You must be new to FatShark

[austere mica]

They haven’t done anything of the sort as of yet, and no, I have 350 hours in vt2

[low wagon]

then you should recognize that unexplainable, perplexing decisions are par for the course since at least when I started playing their game circa 7 years ago, but probably they've done it much longer

[daring sage]

they are pretty strict with stuff like the rrogue trader game wanted to amke the sister of battle romanceable but gw said no

[low wagon]

and they made weird restrictions on Zealot / Warrior Priest weapons;
but one thing is fan speculation and another is some evidence of actual GW involvement in that decision (even if that evidence is just quote from dev or cm)

[pseudo fiber]

They removed the shirtless bug because GW said there weren't any shirtless minis

[narrow frost]

I saw a naked once

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1272982171598061578/image.png?ex=67174348&is=6715f1c8&hm=7ea2e78cecf6dac07a5225b3a74e9058b04cd1611070e1e99fc6f4578061892a&

[primal dune]

[regal smelt]

just found out infantry agri is fun if you build for weakspot dmg

and as long as the game actually does hitreg

[dry cloak]

Agri infantry is the best

[placid portal]

agripinaa makes some boppin' guns

Agripinaa Brauto, Headhunter Rifle, Infantry Rifle, and Revolver

[dry cloak]

Shotgun

Agrip shotgun

[placid portal]

Almost forgot

Can't stop winning Agripinaa Fans

[dry cloak]

From all agrip guns i only dont use brauto. Because im in graia brauto camp

[regal smelt]

vraks is still king for me, especially when the game likes to decide the headshot sounds it plays don't actually mean anything

[dry cloak]

Fair

[regal smelt]

without good heads to hit, the cleave isn't enough to warrant lower mag

Also misses out way more not having a scope than even helbores

[dry cloak]

Weapon custom mod.

[regal smelt]

I know but I don't like having to renable and disable it every time I switch on and off an infantry auto

[dry cloak]

Fair

[regal smelt]

more of a 'fatshark should of already done this' complaint

[daring sage]

like a good iron sight for the hellbore

[regal smelt]

infant auto sights would be fine for helbores since they are charged single shots, plenty of time to aim right without an actual reticle

I would probably prefer them over helbores since helbores are way too flat and it sucks not seeing anything below the head that you're aiming at

[daring sage]

Lol yes, you are tunnel vision-ing so hard when aiming with that gun

[wet ether]

ugh useless bloody teammates letting those stupid syncro whats it always overload

on that snowy map

[golden tiger]

any advice on how to complete the Long Bomb penance for vet? even from like 50 meters away i cant get the nade to explode before hitting the ground

[odd sparrow]

Let it cook a bit before throwing. Hold left click then throw.

[somber adder]

The nade has a shorter Fuse for quick throw than aiming, aim high. Very high

[golden tiger]

can it even cook? i thought it couldnt?

[golden tiger]

ill try that, thanks

maybe just point it straight up while im surrounded lol

[somber adder]

It can't

[golden tiger]

also does it have to be the frag grenade? or can it work with kraks?

[daring sage]

throw up?

[somber adder]

Some practice in the simulacrum goes a long way

[primal dune]

Around release i did it on that cancer map where you go across a bridge and wait for the elevator

[daring sage]

i cant remember how i got it

[golden tiger]

wait whats the simulacrum?

[daring sage]

practice mode

[hidden linden]

Hey, what build would you recommend bringing into damnation as someone who hasnt played on damnation yet? Recon Lasgun shout? Boltgun? Infantry Autogun?

[daring sage]

any shout build is good because it gives you like a more wiggle room

[hidden linden]

Okay, gotcha, thanks

[golden tiger]

where do i find that

[daring sage]

its like

when you face all the shops and stuff on the ship

behind you to the right

near the weapon shop and the upgrade place

its called Psykhanium btw

[wet ether]

question about that snowy map why do people let those generators over heat?

[primal dune]

because we're cold

[wet ether]

......i'm serious here just makes the process take longer to get to that fucking shuttle

[dry cloak]

Because people stupid

Or to many enemies

[golden tiger]

found it, thank you

[steady edge]

mmm...what melee weapon is best paired with infantry lasgun?

[supple stag]

Never can go wrong with Rashad, Power Sword tbh

Folding shovels are also okay? I suppose

[steady edge]

I'm still trying to fumble around with weapon builds

I do like the Infantry Lasgun (though I'm still not sure which variant), but I also want to try the Helbores

basically: Cadia or Krieg?

[primal dune]

Dueling sword, Knife, Chainaxe, Power sword - basically anything than can deal with armor

[dry cloak]

Helbores are charge up and deal a lot of damage

[regal smelt]

if you're still having trouble, smoke grenades count. enemies only need to be hit by the grenade explosion to count, not even damaged or killed. smokes are a lot easier than kraks and shredders

same strat though, need a decent stretch of space with a high enough ceiling and a horde or a few static enemies

[tame lodge]

Moebian

[green willow]

does fire damage avoid armor

[serene bough]

No

You need rending/brittleness to burn and bleed through armor

[dry cloak]

Fire as a matter of fact should bypass armor

Bleeding also should

[green willow]

wish fire does something more like slow them down/spread to chaff

I still believe 12 stacks of burn does more deeps than %30 damage

i just dont like dumdum's variable of less damage the longer the range

[magic trout]

Dum dum is better for the mark with high damage

[earnest bone]

infernus again is only effective vs bulwarks and bosses and in some super rare cases you can light up a pack of maulers

the others will never feel damage from it since they'l die almost instantly

[rocky jacinth]

okay, i've tried time and time again to make recon las fun and viable and every time i'm just sitting there wishing that i had a ciag instead
what's the secret sauce

[earnest bone]

idk, for what purpose you want this gun

im using it for bulwark infernus application and free kills, for boss damage and antielite(ranged)

it sucks vs mutants and mid vs ragers if there's no maniac perk, but it's still enough

It can deal with crushers with onslaught, but im half-half between melee and ranged on them

[rocky jacinth]

i mean just comparing dps, the ciag outputs over 10k on ogryn heads no problem, recon does sub 4k

takes ages to bore through carapace so i don't think it's even worth running onslaught on it

[earnest bone]

well it has insane mag/ammo efficiency + free ammo on crit, i can shoot for much longer without reloading

[earnest bone]

not really, but killing every crusher with it is a pain without full ranged build, but in situation where you need - you do it

[magic trout]

70% -80% damage/ammo/stability stats.
-Infernus + headhunter for marks VIc/XII
-Headhunter + Dum Dum for mark XIV
Aim for weakspot and you will kill everything and a lot of ammo economy with "shock trooper" talent.

[real sorrel]

hey does the vet +5% dmg apply to all teammate damage, incl burns/bleeds?

[magic trout]

Mid keystone?

Yes

[real sorrel]

unsure if it worked on burns and etc or just the basic attacks that apply such things

[rocky jacinth]

yeah i get the idea, i'm just really not feeling the weapon and i see a lot of people swear by it
i have to be missing something, right?

[real sorrel]

accatran?

[rocky jacinth]

i tried all the marks

[real sorrel]

ah

i like it cause its a weakspot machine

[rocky jacinth]

i mean, every time i go back to recon las because people say "it's so good now" i just get disappointed

[real sorrel]

you can also spray and pray with little downside if you can half control it.

[magic trout]

Like every other weapons it has it flaws, just play with the weapons you get comfortable.

[real sorrel]

but tbh if you wanna spray and pray the braced auto is better, and theres other better for picking heads

but it lets you just mow down people when needed

[rocky jacinth]

but i will say, it's really fun when you just hold the trigger down and hose dudes

[real sorrel]

im a fan of the recon las cause i love either mag dumping stuff on weakspots or just massively nuking all the elites/specials with infernus.

[magic trout]

Its a problem of perspective.
My friend likes a lot crucis shotgun but i cant make it work.

[real sorrel]

which ones that?

[rocky jacinth]

double barrel, right?

[magic trout]

Ironhelm double barrel name was changed it to Crucis

[real sorrel]

ew

i like it a lot, feels nuts with the wep specialist

free reloads

[rocky jacinth]

only problem with running it on vet is not having throwing knives

[tame lodge]

Onslaught is core talent on recons

[real sorrel]

it works ntb with the left tree, bonus range + tight spread b;essomg os meat

[magic trout]

Exactly.
Many people speaks wonders of that weapon but i cant make it work.
It feels clunky, sturdy, lacks range damage but thats my experience

[magic trout]

Even without onslaught is a good weapon against caparace at least mark 14

[tame lodge]

I would not shoot carapace without Onslaught

[rocky jacinth]

it it won't wipe crusher trains why bother

i can just huck some frags and whip my knife out

[primal dune]

the dueling sword addiction

[magic trout]

There is avideo here of a guy getting down 5 crushers in 8 sec.
Thats a lot of damage

[primal dune]

i need to stop snorting that shit

[magic trout]

Mark2 is asesome againts hordes
Mk4 is a monster againts elites

[primal dune]

Mk4 is really stupid strong

they need to tone that shit down

[magic trout]

Just poke -> back evade and repeat.
Now all enemies are ☠️

[tame lodge]

#veteran-class message

Onslaught is core talent on recons

[slow spade]

Onslaught is bad

crushers don't exist

UwU

[forest breach]

Duelung sword is busted

[quartz breach]

How important is ammo stat on plasmagun?

[odd sparrow]

my 2 cents is that recon is the premier anti-shooter gun, plenty of ammo and accuracy lets you delete shooters and gunners pretty quickly and ammo efficiently. The downside is however the DPS struggles against harder targets

[slow spade]

pretty important as ammo determines how much ammo you gain back from all ammo sources

also of course bigger mag = bigger mag dumps

[slow spade]

its also a pain to build :c

[rocky jacinth]

i mean i guess it does ok but it doesn't feel that impactful

[rocky jacinth]

infantry las is the real premier anti-shooter gun, you can put ghost on it

[odd sparrow]

true but that requires good aim

[fossil basalt]

yeah I was about to come in and ask, what's up with the base lasrifles now?

They seem very (expectedly) middling

ye olde Kan12 had too slow of a firerate, IV needed a fullauto mod and Ia was just "good" in an arsenal filled with a lot of "great"

[odd sparrow]

yeah they are pretty alright. A good kan12 user is still great if you have the required aim, killing 2 specials a sec is a pretty high ceiling

[slow spade]

Spawn Director: "Only 2? This team is cooked"

[regal smelt]

theyre still generally a bit more ammo effecient than everything else, but the talent that gives free shots on crit works well enough to keep the helbores and recons above other weapons too, not to mention ammo shouldnt be an issue with a decent team

[spice wadi]

A mere TWO lives

[sick cedar]

What's the difference between the recon lasgun marks?

[magic trout]

RoF, damage and ammo capacity

[timid wolf]

And technically that the fastest RoF one uses one less ammo per shot.

[fossil basalt]

haha deep mag go brrrrr

[sick cedar]

Which one has the highest RoF?

[timid wolf]

Also, when you bash heretic heads in, ammo comes out (if you have the best aura).

[timid wolf]

Brown one = slowest, Green = middle, blue = fastest.

All the guns follow that color scheme.

[magic trout]

Mk14: Highest damage, low RoF, lower ammo capacity
Mark2: Highest RoF, lowest damage, Highest ammo capacity
Mark6c: Mid

[sick cedar]

Ah so I was already using the fastest

[wet ether]

I wonder should I replace my chain sword?

[timid wolf]

On paper, the blue and green ones are technically the highest performing ones, but they're all close enough that personal prefrence can make a difference.

[magic trout]

Just put infernus + headhunter and you will wipe out evrything

[timid wolf]

Replace it with the Rashad!

[sick cedar]

I use infernus and dum dum

[timid wolf]

Wait, on an infantry lasgun?

[sick cedar]

On the recon lasgun

[timid wolf]

Oh, yeah. Yes. Those are good.

[magic trout]

Thats max damage, if you want ammo economy change dum dum for headhunter

@sick cedar

[wet ether]

Yeah no

Not happening

[slow spade]

Rashad does its best :c

[timid wolf]

Rashad is so good though.

[wet ether]

Anything else I could probably use asides the tac axe

Combat knife is that good?

Would that work with my current build

[sick cedar]

I run it with the perk that lets me not use ammo on crits so

It's fine anyway

[magic trout]

More ammo economy: Sock trooper talent + headhunter blessing

[wet ether]

[slow spade]

the "if I run out of ammo, I'm killing myself" build

[timid wolf]

Use a dueling sword then

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

Why the hell on emperors green terra would you switch out dum dum for headhunter

[timid wolf]

No, he means switch out infernus for headhunter

Oh no wait... you're right thats what he said. My brain just auto-corrected the sillyness.

Why would you switch out dum dum for headhunter?!

[earnest bone]

depends on what you use, since that table doesnt list any weapons or perks/etc
For me it works in duo with melee for good perfomance

[slow spade]

why wouldn't you run DumDum + Headhunter in the first place

[earnest bone]

i guess its all personal preference

by itself this weapon isnt that OP like Plasmagun

[timid wolf]

I run dum dum and infernus and I think I'm fine on ammo.

[slow spade]

cut out the plasteel/diamantine pickups so we can't accurately judge

classic

[earnest bone]

[slow spade]

its not even ammo, shock troopers lets you shoot more which is far more dps than Infernus

[wet ether]

But why on emperors green terra would you switch out dum dum for headhunter

[tame lodge]

She shock on my maul til I munitorun

[wet ether]

That makes no sense

Feels like I’m having an aneurysm just thinking about that

[earnest bone]

for mk12 lasgun options are
Dum/Infernus
Dum/Deathspitter
Dum/Headhunter
Headhunter/Infernus
I prefer the first one for mk12 and Dum/Deathspitter for mk14(infernus feels like shit on mk14)

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

Headhunter/infernus

https://tenor.com/view/naw-mike-epps-nah-hell-hellnaw-gif-12618802

[slow spade]

while the combo makes sense, the output is lol

[wet ether]

That combo don’t make sense those

Ya losing damage from dum dum

[slow spade]

Headhunter gives crit + Infernus only works on crits

I never said it was good

[earnest bone]

it would be fine to use pre-craft era

[rocky jacinth]

yeah my bad, it was funny infernus on a 123 build with psword

no onslaught

[earnest bone]

for no onslaught i pretty much use mk14

[wet ether]

Bahhhh even precraft era still a

[earnest bone]

it basically erase elites nonstop

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/naw-mike-epps-nah-hell-hellnaw-gif-12618802

[rocky jacinth]

i feel like for that i might as well run iag for more damage, i want the spray bottle

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440

[magic trout]

True, infernus on mk14 is useless.
Low RoF you barely stack infernus

[wet ether]

Wait which one is the light green one on the las recon

[primal dune]

All roads lead back to mk 5 autogun

[earnest bone]

its similar, but you can kill much more without going into reload + better accuracy

[rocky jacinth]

even when i put onslaught on i don't even bother shooting armor i just take my melee out

[earnest bone]

whats light green

mk12 is the spam recon
mk14 is the slow one

and there's mk6c (new)

[wet ether]

Mk 2 recon lasgun I think

[earnest bone]

i forgot wtf is that

[timid wolf]

Why don't people just use colors?

[rocky jacinth]

ok i'm gonna venture into unknown territory and try the mk6c

[earnest bone]

[wet ether]

The one at the very bottom for las recons

The last one you unlock

That’s the light green I believe

Ya got the blue las recon =fast firing

And the brown las recon =slow firing

[earnest bone]

The output on mk12 still feels really good to me since i use a full melee zealot-like build and there's zero talents for ranged damage plus perks are critchance + unyelding for basically bulwarks and bosses
If you slap flak+maniac on it, i expect it to be much higher, tho maybe i'l do that later to try a different feel

i feel like they are decent condenders for Columbus XV aka Vraks VXI

[wet ether]

@earnest bone you’re in darktide rn right?

[earnest bone]

no, im going to buy some groceries in a few mins

[wet ether]

Ahhhh fuck

[earnest bone]

the fridge is fckn empty

[wet ether]

I need someone to check the las recon marks

[slow spade]

when in doubt, theft

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-dissapointed-no-food-my-excitement-for-food-is-now-gone-oh-nevermind-gif-17411460

[wet ether]

As someone once said to me when shit going to hell and ya losing blame it on the loner zealot

[earnest bone]

but then he will blame FS saying fatshark is forcing him to do it for penances

[slow spade]

Why can't i get knives in peace :c

[earnest bone]

they now have an excuse

[magic trout]

Theres is no new one, we always got 3 recon lasguns

[earnest bone]

i mean the name

i still didnt bother with new names

even my gun is still named

VId

the naming mod works well (after update)

[wet ether]

Ya know I speak the truth

[wet ether]

Send me the link please

[magic trout]

Yeah, we got "new names" but on equipment it still appears the old name

Annoying

[earnest bone]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/181

[magic trout]

Yeah very useful mod
I used to renane curios so i dont end mixing build specific curios

[earnest bone]

it should be really a base feature

[slow spade]

3x stamina curios

never change

UwU

[earnest bone]

so console (xboxcallofduty) slaves can enjoy it too

[slow spade]

poor console players

I saw the aim assist for Darktide and I understand how they get slammed now

[earnest bone]

is it bad?

[slow spade]

yes lol

[earnest bone]

overwatch (2) one is utter garbage

[slow spade]

aims center mass and snaps to the closest target

[tame lodge]

Kiss goodbye to target priority

[earnest bone]

at least you can make weapon builds based on that