veteran-class

[wild summit]

as said there was a mind numbing amount of shooters

my las pistol was full and landed one hit after one hit

[balmy flume]

I think even as gunker you do need to close in on shooting.

Plan your plan on the fact that you WILL run out of ammo,

Less cover base shooting, and more closing in when your other 3 teammates are still meatshielding you (so you are not charging an open area on your own)

[wild summit]

i wish they were 🥲 i am usually the guy who has to push cause ... idk why

i usually get VERY messy teammates that just dont clean up proper, i feel often like i am in daycare, no offence

[balmy flume]

…yea I admit that is some really fishy PUG RNG going on there…

[wild summit]

dont get me wrong

i think we can all say we all have a game where we piss and shit ourselves

[balmy flume]

Actually is a pretty common thing…as a Vet I still see people who don’t kill downed zombies. Or people who lack backsapwn awareness.

[wild summit]

but it feels like i seem to get people that have THAT time each and every time

[serene bough]

lately ive been playing so sloppy and bad that i wonder if ive lost braincells recently

[wild summit]

yeah those suck

i mean the braincells

who needs them

not me

/s

[balmy flume]

Not just that, I have a feeling the devs fine tuned the AI spawning, and also subtly changed some of the older maps.

It can screw you over if you are not aware of certain things.

[wild summit]

one thing btw

i am almost certain the game spawns enemies where you are looking

[hollow ibex]

are or aren't looking?

[wild summit]

it seems like no matter where i look during a horde, thats where they come

but that could just be the warp messing with my mind

[balmy flume]

Can confirm, when you ARE looking.
Nurgle teleported a Trapper right in front of my face at one point.
Thankfully she spawned facing 90 degrees away from me.
So Power Sword went chop chop

YES IT WAS THAT CLOSE.

[serene bough]

tbh, i welcome these blindsided changes

there's nothing i love more than the sheer chaos of pubs in auric

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is fun because you can see the AI director shenanigans unfold in real time

[wild summit]

auric pubs:

https://cdn-useast1.kapwing.com/collections/Bike-Fall-iu2qe.jpg

[serene bough]

there's just something about auric spawns that really makes me feel alive

[somber axle]

Seeing specials spawning in behind a door, watch a team mate run over to the door to spawncamp them, they vanish and reappear elsewhere in the map behind a different door

[balmy flume]

This happened in a PUB game, mission was the Inter Void Foundry.
I think the other Zealot and Psyker somehow separated themselves from us (myself and Psyker 2) when we had to bash the ice off the heat mechanism.
I was guarding the entrance and Psyker was doing the ice things.
Then Trapper just proofed into existence in front of me.

[serene bough]

nothin like 3 trappers 4 flamers and a few muties all in unison to remind you that the warp is pulling more strings

[somber axle]

The director is smarter

[balmy flume]

And before you ask, yes, Zealot and Psyker 1 promptly got themselves killed.
And Zealot was whining at us to help (thankfully Psyker 2 had the same thought as me: namely, if we don’t do the ice thing, the situation will just rapidly deteriorate)

[somber axle]

Even better when someone goes face first into a door to try to camp the horde coming through it and a burster spawns just to remind them why that's a bad idea LMFAO

[balmy flume]

No, best thing is spawning a Plagur Ogryn right at the start of Inter Void mission..l

[serene bough]

the greatest treat though are glue eating gunlugger ogryns

[serene bough]

oh my god the amount of bullshit in that beginning section is enough to write a phd thesis

i love the extra barrel spawns on that map

[green willow]

how does Falter work on the shock maul? what does it mean by %30 stagger strength to your ranged

[tall torrent]

It has a wrong tooltip

It just makes ur weakspot attacks ignore 90% of enemy’s remaining stagger reduction

[green willow]

does it do anything to ranged

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for breaking rager combo on H1 weakspot hit, and bullying maulers

Doesn’t do anything for ranged attacks

[green willow]

ah, just shocking them with high voltage would be better

as well as skullcrusher which could proc on a crusher if you electricute it

[wild summit]

listen, deserved, you hear that fucking thing

unless some sound shenanigans are occuring again, you stop swinging on that door when you hear it

[gilded wraith]

Does the 10% crit chance on first 20% ammo after reload make sense for a laspistol with a crit focus and shock trooper? Or still a waste of a talent point?

[wild summit]

i would say it is a waste personally

[umbral scaffold]

imo, the spawn dirrection should be abble to tell when ppl do that and send a mutant or two or a burster whenever ppl do that

[wild summit]

nah

4 bulwarks and 2 crushers and to make sure, 2 trappers and flamers

fuck those rushers and door campers

[muted gorge]

i was sleeping on the bolt pistol the first few runs i used it, felt like trash, but i dont know what i changed but its actually goated with the sauce

[wild summit]

the gun is horrible early on

[gilded wraith]

It can definitely make shredders shine.

[wild summit]

later on and with the right investment, it gets much better

bolt pistol are insanely strong now

btw

is the las gun still nice on vet?

i remember WAAY back when the game came out, it was the best gun or one of the best

[serene bough]

many of the lasguns are great

[ember folio]

whats a very well rounded meta build

[serene bough]

ironically, the previous one which was meta is now kinda dogwater

[wild summit]

the xII i think it was?

the hard hitting one?

[serene bough]

yeah mg12

now the mk9 i think

[wild summit]

damn .... why did it get bad?

[serene bough]

it just became obsolete with various weapon and player buffs

[rigid pilot]

Vet with buffs can oneshot alot of things with the smaller ilas

[tall torrent]

it's maybe top 6~7 gun

[wild summit]

more important than being good

[serene bough]

used to be you needed the mk12 to 1hko things with exec stance, but after plenty of guns recieved buffs and the talent tree added so much player power it's become somewhat irrelevant

[wild summit]

it is ** F U N ** to use now

[rigid pilot]

Bistol or volvo

[tall torrent]

if boltpistol has like
5~8% more dmg, it'd be so much better

[serene bough]

the mg1a does everything the mg12 does but better, and the mk4 has its own viable playstyle

[wild summit]

oh?

how so?

[tall torrent]

because it's actually cancer to build for 1 tap breakpoints on it

[rigid pilot]

On vet?

[tall torrent]

yea

[rigid pilot]

I reach 1 tap ragers quite comfortably

I think

[tall torrent]

on crit, yes

without crit, no

[rigid pilot]

Yea surgical

[tall torrent]

but the point is, u shouldn't need crit to 1 tap for this gun

[winter grove]

They should swap revolver and bistol dmg

[wild summit]

well the guide makes it seem rather easy, but i can imagine having to figure it out must have been painful

[winter grove]

Because bistol should do more dmg logically

[rigid pilot]

Not dmg, cleave

[wild summit]

guess that speaks more for the amazing guide than for the bolt pistol

[winter grove]

Bolts enter the target qnd explode inside of it

[tall torrent]

problem is, it needs very specific talents to reach 1 tap
while wanting survivalist because it has low ammo pool

[winter grove]

It's not exactly

High cleave gun

[somber axle]

Sometimes the audio bugs out and the ticking noise doesn't come through for some players. I had a Zealot swing his Eviscerator into a horde wildly while a burster was approaching. I thought he saw it and would just shove before continuing to be a living lawn mower through poxwalkers. Nope. He hit it, detonated it in his face and caught me in the explosion too. We were on stairs. It sent us both over the edge. I love pubs LMFAO

[rigid pilot]

Just set it to non exploding bolt

[somber axle]

They're so funny sometimes

[rigid pilot]

The lore is fluid

[somber axle]

Dude was very apologetic and said he hates silent poxbursters

[winter grove]

Waiting for fem space marines for the entire community to shatter

[wild summit]

gotta love the awkward descend into the imperiums deepest depths by explosions and just thinking " fuuuuck ...."

[rigid pilot]

If they do maybe they don't deserve them

[winter grove]

Commit the irl horus heresy

[rigid pilot]

Horussy*

[wild summit]

The bussy heresy

dont even wanna know what the plot would be

[somber axle]

I've started running with team highlight Exe Stance more often because I can make sure everyone sees the trappers, hounds and bursters coming when I need them to. At least they'll see the danger through the horde

[clear lantern]

you have a gun, and there exist exploding barrels. Keep your team-mates in check and make them aware you can rail-kill them at any time. That's how Cadia would have wanted it.

[wild summit]

actually ..

i put this into my repertoir

[somber axle]

I feel bad for Zealots tbh. The Flamer change is hilarious but they get sent flying so often

[wild summit]

also, when your to-be boss asks what your greatest weakness would be, what should you answer? Wrong answers only!

[hearty panther]

idont like the highlight because if i fuck up everyone will know my ult ended early and i will be judged as weak

[clear lantern]

I make too much money for what I do.

[somber axle]

Zealot charges at Flamer, Flamer explodes, Zealot gets sent flying back at the rest of the squad

[wild summit]

bro speedruns minimum wage thats actually hilarious

and funnily enough, that would be a great reason to be applied, if that does not make the boss laugh if you deliver that with a smirk, just deny him recruiting you, that boss is gonna be hell to work with

[rigid pilot]

I finally got voided by a flamer

Team lost immediately afterwards

[clear lantern]

I don't know what changes to flamers you're talking about specifically but I have found myself easier to dodge their flames and feint attack

[wild summit]

they never exploded

they changed that recently i think

i love the change honestly

[somber axle]

Flamers can now explode. If you shoot their back you can ignite them and put them into a suppression state where they panic and stop trying to spray flames at you. They'll explode shortly after. If you melee a Flamer with a broken tank they explode in your face and send you flying

My fav change of Unlocked and Loaded tbh

[wild summit]

yeah

[somber axle]

But it looks painful to deal with for Zealots. They always seem to slap an exploding Flamer

[wild summit]

i wish there were more interaction like that

like imagine an ogryn just keeps going after missing an arm and going berzerk

or zerkers just fighting with a limb missing

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-im-invincible-gif-3412315

[somber axle]

The models do get funny changes depending on what weapon you damage them with

[hearty panther]

They kinda have pox burster rules now

[tall torrent]

What region are u in btw

[wild summit]

Luxembourg ........ 😭

europe therefor

[tall torrent]

If ur still on in a bit I can play

[somber axle]

Maulers can have their faceplate melt away and show their skull but still be alive and swinging iirc

[wild summit]

sure 😄

just take care, i got covid so i aint on my peak 🥲

[tall torrent]

The “blow up” change made team communication way more important

[wild summit]

wrong

i just blow them up regarldess

fuck that knife zealot

[tall torrent]

Gotta call out if there’s a fuse-lit flamer and teammate is near them

[somber axle]

Gunlugger Ogryn is 100% going to accidentally light up a Flamer and make it pop

[wild summit]

boy wants to rush? I rush him to the hospital

[tall torrent]

Ironically ogryn doesn’t pop them as frequently

Cuz u have to hit right to their head to lit their fuel tank

So it has to be someone trying to hit their head (Ogryns usually don’t)

Or shooting from behind

[somber axle]

Idk the Gunlugger Ogryn last night kept popping Flamers in the Zealot's face

And it was a funny cartoon watching it happen repeatedly

[rigid pilot]

Anyone understand why pubs walk up to pox bursters on the floor and start spamming push

[somber axle]

Also idk what pugs use communication beyond the "yes" "no" "need ammo" and pinging threats if that

The odd time I catch someone using voice chat they're usually just chilling and asking how everyone's day has been

[wild summit]

also, i know its a vet chat, but i love my psyker build, it is basically set around the whole theme of definitely NOT being a psyker

[somber axle]

I think sometimes I'll see someone ask someone else to drop an ammo crate if they're sitting on one while the team is red/orange ammo

[wild summit]

i hate the hoggers

[tall torrent]

As long as u don’t play EK m1 psyker ur cool

[wild summit]

EK m1?

[tall torrent]

Electro kinetic staff, m1 spam

[somber axle]

RPG hoarding rules. Hanging onto everything just in case and not realizing how silly it is to hoard both ammo crates to the final objective knowing there is no way the team will need both for that last part

But just in case

[wild summit]

nah that build revolves around las pistol and duel sword ... what is bad about the surge m1 spam?

[wild summit]

yeah 😂

but tbh, some people have legit reasons to not use their even tho there are two, cause i had that when i place one and the other mate accidentially out of instinct palces it down as well!

[somber axle]

Even better if, when asked, both people drop their ammo crates at the same time

[wild summit]

this

me in the corner:

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-funny-laugh-laughing-weird-laugh-gif-3547058

[somber axle]

I like feeding Ogryns with field improv

See their big frag and tell them they can eat

[wild summit]

meanwhile the 600 hp ogryn sucking the whole med pack dry solo

[somber axle]

I always felt guilty even looking at the med pack when I was doing Ogryn penances

[wild summit]

meanwhile the ogryn after you ask where the med pack went:

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fat-fat-cat-standing-cat-standing-gif-10735767612654393346

[somber axle]

Feels like good practice to let the squishies use it first

[tall torrent]

It’s a super cringe but extremely overpowered playstyle

https://youtu.be/SdAdUdt6W9k

[wild summit]

i noticed, i used it once cause the build is fun but once i got better at aiming i was like: wait ...... uh ... this feels actually insane?

[serene bough]

i feel like if you bring shredders its more valuable to just use yourself

[wild summit]

wait ... how is he not generating peril?

[serene bough]

casually spawning a box which can give 16 shredders is pretty wicked when youre trying to hold some objective

[tall torrent]

Transfer peril + scrier’s gaze

[somber axle]

Idk. Ogryn big frag emptying a room is fun to see. And if I don't need it the Ogryn can take the extra ammo crate tap for extra nades. Plus it's just funny to watch LOL

Outside of Bistol Grenade meme I mainly just use Shredders to make space for rescues or to shove the rager pack off a team mate getting swarmed

Plus Vet has inherent nade regen anyway

[serene bough]

Its definitely more entertaining, but still shredders spam is still better

[somber axle]

I am ok feeding the big guy an extra helping of rations

[wild summit]

oh i build it differently actually! i got crit per peril + double ball on crit, so i just spam it quickly

[somber axle]

There's some magical about playing a melee Vet or a very ammo efficient Lasgun build and letting a Gunlugger Ogryn have as many tins and packs as they need (all of them LMFAO)

[serene bough]

if only there were a clearer indication that youre running field improv

most people dont seem to take advantage of it when I deploy

[wild summit]

honestly, i made it a challenge on certain build to run a whole mission without ammo pickup, even on recon, its REALLY fun

[somber axle]

I've had a lot of matches lately where I get 1 of each class. Staff Psyker doesn't use ammo, Zealots barely think about using their gun if the Vet is paying attention to ranged elites/specials

[tall torrent]

Play CIVI maelstrom

[somber axle]

Pinging ammo and letting the Ogryn eat it just so he can mow the next room down is fun to watch

[wild summit]

CIVI?

[tall torrent]

Also I can play now

[tall torrent]

Waves of specialists
Scab faction only (chaos faction is neutral and can still spawn)
Mostly melee enemies
No ammo spawns

[trim steppe]

C-I-VI. Its a mode with no ammo pickups on the map and a TON of armor

[somber axle]

Yeah! It's really funny that Recons can be so ammo efficient now. I used to only do 0 ammo pick up matches on Helbores and sometimes the Infantry Lasgun Mk IV (I forgor what it got name changed to) but the Recons can really make it start to finish without needing ammo

[wild summit]

ooooh

[wild summit]

soooo ... how do i do this?

i am a pub only player so far

[trim steppe]

Its in the normal maelstrom rotation, just wait for it to pop up

[wild summit]

so this is a whole new world

[orchid hemlock]

ok now do it with the quell glitch

[tall torrent]

We can play pubs

[orchid hemlock]

[somber axle]

Constant Crushers, Maulers, Scab Gunners and Flak Ragers. No ammo pick ups. Such a fun time

[tall torrent]

It has almost no gunner spawns

It’s just mauler, bruiser, rager and ogryn spam

Best maelstrom in the game

[somber axle]

Yeah. Even the few that do pop in get body blocked by the walls of Flak and Carapace

[tall torrent]

@wild summit send me ur fatshark code or steam friend code

[wild summit]

oi sure

send ya my steam page to friend me

[tough tiger]

scab only melee my beloved

u either take 0 dmg or instadowned

[clear lantern]

sounds like a job for an ogryn

[trim steppe]

Or a trauma psyker

[winter grove]

Scabs only + only melee units

Hope you brought anticarapace buckaroo

Because it's now crusher and mauler spam

[somber axle]

Always do

Hate Crushers

Kill Crushers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[shadow dagger]

and somehow they arent the most annoying part of civi

its watching the hammer boltor zealot die to 3 ragers for the third time in 20 minutes

[twilit breach]

this blessing go hard

[fading yarrow]

Roundhouse kick Crushers
Curbstomp Crushers into the rockcrete

[edgy dove]

oh btw i guess i never asked; what pairs of blessings do y'all enjoy for power sword 3 :o?

[worldly pulsar]

Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum every time

It just performs so damn well

[frank basin]

Power cycler and thrust

That’s it

[fading yarrow]

Power Cycler and Brutal/Thrust/Slaughterer

I should try out Supercharge come to think of it

[frank basin]

Why we pick power cycler all time?

[fading yarrow]

Extra energized hits is extra damage

[worldly pulsar]

Triple the uptime on your charge attacks, yeah. BIS for sure

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-phantom-menace-droid-army-naboo-gif-15588671

Power cycler:

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/we're-independent-thinkers-roger-roger-b1-battle-droid-star-wars-separatists-gif-63547133892915330

[tidal rapids]

Is there any particular reason to pick the 3rd recon lasgun mark? It seems to be middle ground for damage and fire rate but significantly less ammo than either of the other 2.

[fading yarrow]

Because 3 is a nice number

[frank basin]

Someone who know recon lasgun is mark 3 deal more damage at slower firerate

And said something about ammo efficiency

[tidal rapids]

More damage at slower firerate is offered by the second one, and with only slightly less ammo than the first

[lucid heart]

does out for blood work on ranged kills with exilarating takedown?

[tall torrent]

XIV has 3 cleave

[crude fiber]

To anyone that uses marksman focus, what gun do you use with it? The only one that feels good to use with it is the slow lasgun

[lucid heart]

nvm it works with ranged attacks in general

[lucid heart]

ive been using the fastest recon lasgun

high ammo efficiency build lets you shoot like 80% of the mission

difficult part is literally not being able to hear anything cus ur gun is so loud

[lucid heart]

the kraks are just for penance. i'd go shredder instead

this allows you to just run around and hipfire everything to death

shooters highlight on ult is optional, i was just playing lights out so it was a must have

on the duelling sword i have agile, to replenish my dodges

if you run shredder nade and no shooters you can put on reciprocity which is really nice for ur ammo and damage overall

[crude fiber]

I guess I'll give it a try. I just like the feeling of being able to 1 shot everything with the slow lasgun and the damage boost for recons doesn't feel very significant

[lucid heart]

hey one shotting is valid

i just like playing really fast and its hard for me to sit still and maintain stacks

[deft crystal]

OK

[lucid heart]

my positioning isnt that good so if i play a slow MF build i get blown up

[deft crystal]

I have been converted from a rashaad to a dueling sword

[lucid heart]

duelling sword is busted

[deft crystal]

and holy shh what tf did they do to it

[lucid heart]

nothing

[deft crystal]

cause like WTF BRO

[lucid heart]

its been like this forever, they just gave it to zealot and vet

[deft crystal]

precog dueling

5 or 6 dodges

• voc

[crude fiber]

4 is busted good, I like mk5 personally

[lucid heart]

i like 4 cus its easy

[deft crystal]

they came out with that comissar fit gave us dueling and bolt pistol

for max imersion

[lucid heart]

@crude fiber i recommend this build actually, this one is safer and easier to play imo

voice of command makes u tunnel vision less :p

depends if u want to pick specials or be more allrounder

oops

replace bring it down with duty and honor

[woven coral]

is headhunter+deadly accurate the best combo for infantry lasguns?

there's infernus but do I really want 4 burn stacks on crit instead of double crit damage?

[hollow ibex]

that's good, or take ghost instead of deadly accurate

infernus sucks on pretty much everything

and is esp bad on lasgun

[earnest bone]

main usage of infernus are bulwarks and boss damage

[little path]

good gun

Ideally though you get a new one with 80 stopping power as well since that affects damage

Only time you run infernus is on the recon lasguns

[earnest bone]

and laspistol

[little path]

can but...personally I wouldn't

[woven coral]

yea I could roll for an optimal one but saw that the difference between 80% and 73% is like 2% off maximum

so fuck it ig

[little path]

2%?????????????????!!?!?!??!??!?!?!?!

but MAH BREAK POINTS

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[woven coral]

58% vs flak and 60%

I'd rather save the plasteel for other guns lol

[tall torrent]

No, headhunter + ghost

[woven coral]

is ghost that good compared to the extra damage?

[little path]

Honestly it's kind of personal preference

Ghost goes a long way in not getting shot to shit which is really really nice

[woven coral]

is marksman focus good for lasgun also? that's what I assume

[real osprey]

A thousand sufferings upon you!

[little path]

Marksman?

The lucius patterns?

[woven coral]

no the keystone for vet

[little path]

oh right, that

It's good

Don't NEED to get to it but if you do, that's fine too

[tall torrent]

Tank every ranged enemy ever
Vs
Somehow have 200k overkill damage playing infantry lasgun

[woven coral]

haha fair enough

[little path]

deadly accurate will usually only come up on elite enemies if you get lucky on the first hit

then you can 1 tap them sometimes

or ogryn reapers

also nice for fighting the beasts of nurgle since their weakspot is easy to hit

Against other bosses like the spawn, and plagyrn, it's gonna really suck trying to hit those heads

[woven coral]

yea and even for beasts of nurgle you rarely get the clear shot and time to focus on hitting the weakspot in maelstrom

so much shit to deal with around you you just have to wail on it from any angle you get

[rigid schooner]

Honestly for inf lasguns I just body shot everything, the game is so hectic that trying to fish for headshots on one of the 7 shotgunners seems Sisyphean

[uncut pebble]

Just saying, if you're in range of 7 shotgunners, you weren't going to be hitting those headshots fishing for them anyway.

Better just to draw melee and start smacking them.

[rigid schooner]

If I'm in range of-

Yeah it's shovel time

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately they have really low bodyshot damage, it’s really all about headshots

[rigid schooner]

That said, ghost really is great, but coming from psyker who has it innately in some skills I sorta wish I could get more brute force damage

[tall torrent]

Outside of recon, las-weapons are super reliant on headshots

[rigid schooner]

Honestly the sights shouldn't bounce around so much then.

[tall torrent]

They have very little actual recoil

It’s pretty much all visual

[uncut pebble]

Knowing where the reticle actually is when flicking from target to target is the issue.

[rigid schooner]

Compare to the revolver which has no visual recoil while ads, and headshots when you point at the skull totem backpacks that shotgunners have

[uncut pebble]

Cool, I dropped that gunner, now I've gotta wait a half second for my reticle to return to normal and... the zealout has butchered the rest of the pack...

[tall torrent]

Well, that’s the best gun for veteran

It is what it is

[rigid schooner]

I feel like inf las is also too heavily balanced towards ammo economy over DPS/damage

Even hungry guns can mostly last a whole mission with deliberate use

Whereas I feel like I can't cram the ammo through the lasgun in a reasonable amount of time

You know, I feel like the bolter sights are better for 'sniping' and taking out priority enemies at a distance

I really should try out hellebore and plasma though

[lucid heart]

plasma feels really underwhelming this patch

it used to be my go-to but ive not been enjoying it as much as boltgun or boltpistol this patch

boltgun one tapping everything smaller than a mutant is really fun

[rigid schooner]

yeah it really is

the reload is just so painful though

[lucid heart]

for boltgun?

it aint too bad as long as u grab the 30% on elite

[rigid schooner]

yeah, i got that, and tac reload, plus i think theres'a base reload speed ones

[lucid heart]

now thats a bit overkill imo

[rigid schooner]

honestly not really

[lucid heart]

but granted im used to the plasma reload speed so bolter doesnt feel that bad

[rigid schooner]

i'm that guy that reloads at 49/50 rounds in an lmg type gun

[lucid heart]

lol

i did that on plasma

[fading yarrow]

^^^

When geared towards reload speed, the bolter still reloads just slightly slower than, say, an IAG

[rigid schooner]

https://youtu.be/Rto9D9vnSA0?t=120

[lucid heart]

well yea the iag is really fast

[rigid schooner]

literally me

[lucid heart]

the bolter reload is a good balancing point

it nukes literally everything

[rigid schooner]

that's why i feel it's worthwhile to go all in on reload speed for it

[lucid heart]

ive never been in a make or break situation that needed the gun to reload quicker so i cant say ive had much desire for faster reload speed

let me check my build

iirc you need to spend 2 points to get tac reload

imo super expensive for some qol

[rigid schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158835044006232215/1293475705069506580/image.png?ex=671165df&is=6710145f&hm=24a6827311b5ad694503cdd53b933daba753fed0a08090e5cf857f788175f6ff&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1297&height=543

i did drop out for blood and the movement speed node for longshot and volley adept, because i run it with the bolter, and it's desperate for reload speed

i forget how up to date this is, but it's something i threw together to be an "all explosions buid"

[lucid heart]

LOL ok nvm

i run no reload speed on my boltgun

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/torgue-explosions-borderlands-gaming-game-gif-16537893

[lucid heart]

yeah im not bothered at all by it

thank u torgue

my goat

oh thats why

its a ws build

i run the 30% on elite on my focus target build

[rigid schooner]

yeah, having it reload for you probably helps, but it usually is pretty slow creep

[lucid heart]

i dont shoot anything but specials and elites so its not a problem

and sometimes monsters

all times monsters

magdump monsters

[rigid schooner]

it's nice to make gunners and shooter go and stay go

just sneeze at them and they're back with nurgle

[deft crystal]

best dueling sword?

precog + what else?

[lucid heart]

do u want horde clear or infinite dodge

[deft crystal]

boss kills on weakspot mostly

[rigid schooner]

DS4 is best of the 3, but psyker wants uncanny and shred

[deft crystal]

doing veg maelstroms rn

[lucid heart]

probably want uncanny then

h1 special loop will stack it really fast

[daring sage]

space marine 2 build with the infinite dodge

[edgy dove]

recommended powersword (mk3) blessing pairs/perks :o?

[lucid heart]

powercycler brutal momentum

spam charged swings, cleave heads

[placid portal]

Gotta love how the powersword turns off after 1~3 swings

[deft crystal]

og powersword

was to op tho

[placid portal]

Yea I remember when it had 100 cleave mass

[deft crystal]

I do wish it stayed on

[placid portal]

Or was it infinite

[deft crystal]

but just dmg reduction

or cleave increase was lowered

cause yk

its a power sword

so like

[placid portal]

Give power sword power on forever but 3 stamina

Cant block shit and poor dodges

Does perfect block mechanic exist?

[rigid schooner]

is there any kind of use or purpose for hitting things with the psword with it not turned on?

[daring sage]

having no time to charge

[edgy dove]

damn i just charge when theres more'n'enough time for a funny big swing, or im vs a mauler at point blank
then again i just mostly play on malice with newplayer friends so i dont know if it matter that much what i use or do

[placid portal]

When you want a devil claw sword but with no blessings

Mk8 chainaxe my beloved, stunlock ragers all day

[jaunty tinsel]

whats your guys's favorite devil's claw sword?

[placid portal]

Mk4 is imo my favorite cheese hole sword but learned mk7 and mk1 has better parry damage

I guess it's fair trade bc 1st heavy is strike down

[grand perch]

I wish they did a little more against carapace. Just a tiny bit

[placid portal]

What can you expect from a strength 2 sword vs toughness 4 crushers 😔

Gotta roll 6+ to even wound

[grand perch]

My guardsmen are strength 3

[placid portal]

I forgot but rolls are 4+ if equal, 5+ if less, 6+if half of toughness iirc?

[edgy dove]

combat blade dump stat?

[placid portal]

Mobility

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[edgy dove]

pft

[daring sage]

oh its not mobiluty with the combat blade

[edgy dove]

i mean, the difference between 60 and 80 doesnt seem that big

is it a noticeably big difference?

or just noticeable

[placid portal]

Oh wait nvm it is mobility

Finesse/ Pen /First target/ Damage is too nice to pass

[edgy dove]

oh! woo lol

nabbed a green one with 80 in all those and 60 in mob

[placid portal]

Now slap on +9 stamina and get 12 stamina on knife

Push attack for days

[edgy dove]

epic

i am slowly gaining an array of good roll weapons, yippee

[radiant sedge]

Same, I am enjoying the U&L update so much, while getting a 360 weapon to 500 is a grind, it's at least a steady one 😅

[edgy dove]

mhmn
am only just comin back to the game since a few friends started playin again

[woven coral]

so is weapon specialist +33% crit chance a typo and should say +3% per stack or do you actually get 33% crit chance per stack?

[placid portal]

Ngl ever since I got a good Dueling sword I kinda not used combat blades

Stab stab Stab stab

[woven coral]

I just saw a youtube video where the guy said if you kill 3 enemies in melee you get guaranteed crit because of it, is that actually how it works?

[placid portal]

33% per stack but only 1st shot

[woven coral]

damn so it's actually cracked on the double barrel huh

always thought it was an error

[placid portal]

Esp since vet has innate 5% crit you reach crit cap with 3 kills

Manstopper stocks keep rising

[sturdy karma]

Does anyone have a reccomended build for Ex Stance with Marksman focus - trying to knock off the penances for them I was running a build using Krak grenades and recon lasgun and it seems alright but pretty sure thats not maximising marksman focus

[winter grove]

my condolences

[dire olive]

Yeah recon headshot modifiers suck pure unfettered ass

I recommend the 15 stacks node, something with high finesse, and keep in mind melee/grenade kills still count if you have stacks

[dry cloak]

I did it with helbore and really liked the build

[dire olive]

I think I used laspistol personally

Can pop heads reliably even with hipfire

There's also the goofy zarona shotgun horde clear build with manstopper/scattershot

[lucid heart]

i was just gunning for the penance. this was the build i had the best results with

super ammo efficient, u can shoot like 90% of the mission with it

gun down hordes and u can easily get 100+ per horde

[rain verge]

anyone have a build for plasma gun vet they can share

[frank monolith]

You also have scatterbshot that gives you 60% crit on max stack

[lucid heart]

do you like using weapon specialist?

[sturdy karma]

TY ill check it out

[lucid heart]

abuse sliding and hipfire

its a very mobile build

good at sniping too, just melts anything you point at

[sturdy karma]

the weapon spec doomslayer build is so much fun

super mobile and in your face

[lucid heart]

yeah weapon spec is by far my favorite

[sturdy karma]

im loving the commissar build too

[lucid heart]

the MF penance was a pain in the ass to play cus i like being ont he move 😭

but i learned how to play around the 3s walk timer when u weakspot hit

[lavish solar]

Haven’t done plasma in a while and I’m mid player but this I imagine would be okay

I mean going from frag to the right aura isn’t great and I think what I’m currently using is just going straight down the middle, but I feel like frags and agile engagement can both be pretty helpful

[lucid heart]

agile engagement is a must on plasma i think

[lavish solar]

Plus the plasma doesn’t really need a ton of talents to be strong

[lucid heart]

agile enables gunner breakpoints?

i havent played it in a bit

but i remember it feeling really bad leaving gunners at 1hp

[lavish solar]

I believe it can do that yeah

[lavish solar]

Also maybe just do smoke and use the 2 extra points wherever you want

[placid portal]

Probs the only thing that stops you from slotting unarmored to get the dreg gunner

[rain verge]

which keystone is that sorry was in a game

[lucid heart]

i used the plasma as a fat revolver at one point

not bad

just have to shoot things twice

walls are never an issue though which was a lot of fun

[lavish solar]

But then you would have to give up flak or maniac which are both super helpful too

[placid portal]

Which is why agile engagement helps from the looks of it bc I recall slotting unarmored specifically for dreg gooners

[lavish solar]

True, I’ll need to test it out later today but I do think having agile would get you over the breakpoint

[placid portal]

25% dmg boost

[rain verge]

interesting thanks for the poitns guys

dont really like

focus target

[lavish solar]

Also I think breakpoints is why I took focus target

Extra damage on ping muh

[rain verge]

that much so weapon specialist seems fun

since i do pull out my melee alot with plasma

[lavish solar]

Weapon specialist is super fun

[lucid heart]

if you like weapon specialist plasma is quite alright with it

doesnt take too long to pull out and its revolver with like 7 shots before you overheat

[lavish solar]

Actually I haven’t tested this, does weapon specialist trigger when using exec stance to swap?

[lucid heart]

and it goes through 5feet of steel

uhh i think it does

[rain verge]

i have ammos issues tho with it

is it cuz im using it too much even on chaff

[lucid heart]

probably yeah

[rain verge]

should i really just save it for any elites or mobs that are running through a hall way

makes sense

[lucid heart]

id only use it to kill elites or specials

[rain verge]

what melee you rock with it

[lucid heart]

or make space with the stagger

duelling sword is a safe pick

[placid portal]

Indignatus is fun

[rain verge]

for wave clearing melee would you reco heavy sword or chainsword

[lucid heart]

either works but i like chainsword better

deals with armor better

[lavish solar]

Both are fine, hs struggles a bit with carapace

[lucid heart]

if you like onetapping specials with ur melee, heavy sword is better imo

[lavish solar]

Chain sword does too but at least you actually do damage

[lucid heart]

one shot a mutant without any need to saw or anything

tbh if ur running it with plasma gun, you might prefer heavy sword

[lavish solar]

Plus hs is quite a bit better vs hordes and elites ad tekona mentioned

I paired chain sword with plasma for some time

[primal dune]

You can also run the chainaxe

[lavish solar]

Is perfectly usable

[lucid heart]

chainaxe is also a fun pick

harder to use but fun

[lavish solar]

Horde clear is a bit mid no?

[primal dune]

Not at all

[lucid heart]

its horde clear is good

just low mobility

[primal dune]

It's no devil claw but it's good

[lavish solar]

Wait which mark are we talking about

[primal dune]

mark IV is my prefered pick

[lavish solar]

Ahh that one does have pretty nice horde clear

[placid portal]

I like mk8 sticky lights are good at pinning down ragers

Also really good at just chunking down enemies if you hit heads

[lavish solar]

True, I’ve mainly been using chainaxe on zealot but have been thinking about using one with vet lately

[placid portal]

Not bad if you know how to mix push attack and your heavies for mk8

[lavish solar]

Nice

[placid portal]

Hardly ever use rev up unless I am certain for kill or safe. Light spam is safer vs crushers

Head taker Slaughter is such a funny combo

+60% power if both stack at max

[lavish solar]

True

Bloodletter should be pretty good too

[placid portal]

Also really hilarious to time a heavy to bat a dog away

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-baseball-hard-to-hit-miss-swing-and-a-miss-batter-gif-25080357

Me trying to bat a dog:
I missed and teammate died to corruption OD

[green willow]

onslaught is so worth

[odd wind]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g5o8cx/veteranx_space_program_just_confirmed_its_first/
anyone seen this happen before?

[flint lake]

Wish me luck boiz

no cheese all skill

all on pub

[stoic thorn]

Curse of tzeentch

[flint lake]

The Emperor protects

(those who duck)

[novel dove]

Nice work, The Emperor Protects

[edgy dove]

hella

[green willow]

need help. penances is bugged and there are no rewards to claim

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-gif-26090688

[stoic thorn]

Holy shit I've got

A 78/61/80/80/80 chainsword

[flint lake]

noice

[slow spade]

no penance? Lost and the Damned for you

[tepid warren]

mfw i need to learn to block and push instead of dodging all the time
not so reliable when your ping is 200+

[slow spade]

yeah but you'll get the hang of it c:

just remember to keep some stam for blocking when you push

[tepid warren]

i know! but those knife blessings

riposte and precognition bonuses are so good 👍

[placid portal]

Agile is such a disgusting blessing, dodge refresh on weakpoint

[slow spade]

made my char the tallest height possible for easier headshots

[placid portal]

Made mine high enough to not aim lower

[slow spade]

the reason why the primarchs are so tall is so they can hit weakspots easier

[lavish solar]

shame then Bobby G didn’t have a dueling sword

Otherwise he probably could’ve dodged all the way back to Terra and saved everybody a great deal of trouble during the siege

[umbral scaffold]

How do you like my Cadian Shock Trooper

[slow spade]

"but he uses a power sword how could he lose" UwU

[slow spade]

very shock, very Cadian

[lavish solar]

True

[dawn garnet]

@tall torrent hi why do i need to log into microsoft for the vet guide

pls fix

[lavish solar]

Wait for next patch where rannick gets a personal message from Bobby demanding that the mobility of pswords be buffed

[slow spade]

its so microsoft can hack you for bitcoin mining

[lavish solar]

looks pretty good

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
It's so they can collect data for slop AI

[lavish solar]

Shame that the pants either look too tight (and thus make the entire character look like he skipped leg day) or has MASSIVE boot covers that kinda look bad

[tepid warren]

gloves are cool and not enough vet armours have them

[slow spade]

calling me wrong? Blocked

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-kid-basketball-gif-5337014

Ah
The other kind of block

[green willow]

how do you do the Long Bomb achievement

shredder frag does zero damage

[pseudo fiber]

You quick throw by tapping left click in the air

[stoic thorn]

I just found a really long area and threw it

[slow spade]

shredder frag does like 600 near its explosion center

[crude fiber]

i got it on this mission at the end section

[slow spade]

so a good throw into a horde is easy achievement

the mission where you have to extract 5 ammo containers is where I got mine

[crude fiber]

Run grenade tinkerer if you want to be really sure you get it, maybe a lethal proximity bolt pistol but it honestly doesn't need either of those

[radiant sedge]

Does Shovel dump Defence or Mobility?

[pseudo fiber]

Mobility usually but you can do defence too

[shut talon]

just another recon lastree. should i take Superiority Complex over 5% crit chance node?

[radiant sedge]

Melk had a nice one, so I can work on my 60% Defence one that's still grey whenever I feel like it 😅

[wise fossil]

For lots of melee weapons I like dumping defense over dumping mobility, but shovels have good push attacks, so defense is actually kind of good

[pseudo fiber]

Get that 100%

[radiant sedge]

Now to figure out which shovel mark to use

[idle swallow]

Munitorum if you don't need armor kill for crushers, mk7 if you do need armor kill

[ocean idol]

Focus Target or Marksman focus for bolter?

Hot-spot seems interesting for helbore

[tawny badger]

it's awfully poetic that I master the psword once the mk4 finally clicked for me

[orchid hemlock]

No

Also if u want krak, why are u taking scavenger?

[ocean idol]

Also which helbore is the best?

[orchid hemlock]

If you go straight down thru fire team, u get 2 extra points

[daring sage]

depends what you wanna use it for

[strange crow]

I thought scavenger is kinda mid now?

[tiny summit]

Helbores are pick your preference and whether the bayonet makes or break your choice

[inland orchid]

It may have been crippled but free ammo is still free ammo

[frank sigil]

what a good weapon for a new veteran who's just leveling up?

[strange crow]

Fair enough lol

[tiny summit]

Scavenger just now isnt the no brainer choice. Its still nice to get ammo back but just no more ammo positive shenanigans

[tepid warren]

i just used the highest powered weapon in my inventory

also good excuse to get a feel for different weapons

[strange crow]

I find the Mk XIV recon lasgun to be pretty nice to use when I’m getting back into things

[tiny summit]

The crafting update ruined my bragging rights on getting sunder and pc4 on my first power sword

[tepid warren]

(actually this goes for any class you're levelling up to 30)

[tawny badger]

do yall fw agri revolver

[slow spade]

usable

but I wouldn't trust my life with it

[agile forge]

What ability and keystone should I take with recon 12?

is it free choice or is there one that's more highly recommended

I guess focus target is a lot better than marksmans focus if you're going infernus critty build

but idk between voc and exec

[pseudo fiber]

Idk it depends I use ws but it just buffs my melee

[tawny badger]

I use focus target and executioner's stance w/ counterfire

[pseudo fiber]

Focus target would be good though

[hollow ibex]

for fun, it's ok

[hollow ibex]

honestly, i run keystoneless lol

[tawny badger]

do talentless next

[hollow ibex]

nah

[slow spade]

its not like you can go wrong with Exec stance or VoC with recon

I suggest exec stance if you're running into point issues

[hollow ibex]

i just go straight down the center for voc, shredders aren't terrible useful with recon imo

[slow spade]

ah I'm used to packing something like Psword or rashad for armor

so Shredder + Survivalist is what I use

[hollow ibex]

i do too, but i skip surv since you don't really need it on recon anyway

[slow spade]

but I can see getting krak + fire team instead

[slow spade]

it also leads to the node that gives toughness regen when no enemies are nearby

which I find surprisingly useful being the team's plasteel gremlin

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah it can be helpful

[slow spade]

I've had less random sneak attacks because my toughness would suddenly cut out :p

would recommend just for the spidey sense alone

[agile forge]

Is it infernus and dumdum or infernus and headhunter?

And flak crit chance?

[austere mica]

For what weapon

[agile forge]

Recon 12

or whatever the speedy one is

[austere mica]

Also no crit chance perk

It’s not worth it compared to an armor type damage bonus

[agile forge]

Unyielding then?

or maniac or something?

[slow spade]

I usually get Maniac (fuck dreg ragers) and flak

I don't get carapace or unyielding due to my melee weapon though

[tawny badger]

why did horus heresy do all that to fight the emperor? he could’ve just sent a pack of dreg ragers smh

[slow spade]

The last thing Sanguinius saw before dying

[frank sigil]

is there a guide that has a basic leveling build for veteran?

[hollow ibex]

You just play whatever you want until 30

Not much to it

[slow spade]

preferably without dying

[misty delta]

(optional)

[slow spade]

I still find it funny my toughest match was an Uprising (diff 2) normal game

9 deaths and I escaped alone with 2 hp lol

[broken spade]

what

what happened?

[slow spade]

new players truly do be new

imagine if someone unbound the block key

[dire olive]

What is a dodge

[slow spade]

that's what I gueue'd with

[broken spade]

was this when you were new?

[slow spade]

no

I was leveling a Zealot

the only reason we won was because I knew how to play

absolutely should have lost otherwise

[tall torrent]

U don’t tho
Pretty sure u can just view it without logging in

[broken spade]

i think it was only an issue on mobile

wait nvm it works now

[tall torrent]

I can access it on mobile just fine

Without logging in

[broken spade]

didn't work like 2 days ago

[slow spade]

can't believe Microsoft denied you access 2 days ago

[dawn garnet]

huh

apparently its only prompting me for log in on chrome

🤔

[dawn garnet]

ye

i see it on edge

it still prompts me for a log in on chrome

[tall torrent]

Can u still access it

[broken spade]

i'm using the same browser i did last time and it works now but didn't before

[dawn garnet]

only on edge

god i fucking hate Microsoft so much

[tall torrent]

Welp

[frank monolith]

I can acess it on operagx

And internet on andriod phone

[agile forge]

do you get much out of exec stance for recon 12?

also lmao at the recon's recoil making you walk slow

all that light has so much momentum

[pseudo fiber]

Works on Firefox too

[hollow ibex]

You don’t get much out of exec stance for anything. Jk jk… unless?

[tame lodge]

My honest bolter reaction

[somber axle]

I like Exe Stance for an easier time keeping track of specials/elites during waves and faster TTK on priority threats. It's definitely a more proactive ability though

[carmine cradle]

i severly underestimatted heavy sword

[carmine cradle]

use recon las, kill everything, specialist or otherwise

[somber axle]

If you're popping Exe Stance when a bunch of ragers are on melee comboing you, you better know how to keep dodging them while shooting or you're dead. Voice of Command is the get out of jail free card if you turn around and suddenly find yourself flanked by elites or the silent poxbursters

[carmine cradle]

voice of command is something u press whenever
a) u want to top up someones toughness quickly during combat
b) SHIT SHIT SHIT THATS 12 RAGERS SHIT SHIT SHIT

[somber axle]

Plus it's neat for the stun immunity in case your toughness gets popped while shooting

[hollow ibex]

You say that until you come across a crusher patrol

[carmine cradle]

thats what my krak nades and recon lasgun are for

and voice of command

[hollow ibex]

As long as you got something to deal with carapace

[carmine cradle]

i have MANY options for carapace

most of them involve either BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

or BOOM

ive been having a lot of fun with recon las vet

[gilded wraith]

@somber axle How does this look for Laspistol/Rashad? Would the Laspistol X be a consideration for slower stamina burn with Deadshot?

Desperado/Ghost on the Laspistol

[thick kestrel]

I can always get why people choose not to grab keystones... but it still makes me sad ^^

[gilded wraith]

Teammate runs focus target.

[thick kestrel]

it's by no means a bad choice mind, veterans have a lot of good nodes at the bottom of the tree

actually, as a general question... how does the 5% chance to get back grenades feel vs the grenade regen these days?

[gilded wraith]

Definitely difficulty dependent. No bad on Aurics. Pretty rough below that.

[thick kestrel]

fair

[gilded wraith]

It does hurt passing up the 1/minute talent though.

[rigid schooner]

Yeah I really like having them for free

Let's me spam kraks for horde clear if there's a box around

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I think there are better options than laspistol if you want to run exec stance and deadshot

And mk10 is pretty meh

[somber axle]

Sorry for the late reply! Am at work atm. It looks good to me and similar to something I run. The only things I do differently are For the Emperor over Born Leader and Weapon Specialist instead of Counterfire. Rashad + Laspistol was probably my fav combo when the train mission first came out

[somber axle]

You could get the 1 min talent if you dropped Counterfire and Demo Team if that's more your style

[strange crow]

If it hasn't been changed you basically always want stockpile, demo team would just be in addition to stockpile

[somber axle]

Laspistol X is fun and is easier to control with Deadshot for sure but there's a special neuron activation using the faster variant with Weapon Specialist to burst down an elite or special on swap

I usually use the Mk II

[agile forge]

I mean I love exec stance, but I love it on weapons which can use all of the elements from it

[somber axle]

The Mk II requires more stamina juggling though

[agile forge]

so vraks 5 is a great candidate for it

[trim steppe]

¿Porque no los dos?

Usually I take both if I can. You pretty much always want to take stockpile for consistency. Demo is awesome on high difficulties

[gilded wraith]

I have no clue why I had Born Leader in there... left over from another build.

[agile forge]

I just take whichever one fits my build better

sometimes the regen node is a travel node

sometimes it's an extra 2 point investment when the 5% one would be a 1 point investment

veteran builds are point hungry

[tiny summit]

I use it more than the regen. It feels good to me. Yea you may not notice when you have one back but I think it works great since theres always a lot of valid kills to roll that 5%

Only really use regen over it if Im using VoC.

Because of pathing of course

[hollow ibex]

I usually take both if I can

[tiny summit]

Same if Im using VoC

[hollow ibex]

The main benefit of vet nades is regen after all

[tiny summit]

Or operator hotbox

[strange crow]

I'd say the only reason you wouldn't need stockpile is if you're taking smoke and don't use it too liberally

Otherwise you need consistent nade rgeen

[tiny summit]

Demo team is fine enough

[strange crow]

For frags? Idk when I use frags ig I just spam them too much

[serene bough]

holy shit indeed

i love when incapacitated gunners will just casually unload an entire backpack charge into your dying corpse and you just lay there and tank it for a solid 20 seconds

[tiny summit]

Yes for frags still. Well yes if your personal use case is more spammy, you may want stockpile. If you like nades for a pinch, demo team I find is usually enough

[tiny summit]

It gives a nice warm feeling

[serene bough]

gives a new meaning to the field of laser therapy

can no longer feel pain or inflammation if your body is fully disintegrated

[gilded wraith]

Does anyone know if a shredder grenade kill would proc Covering Fire?

[serene bough]

they do not

[gilded wraith]

Darn... no love for that Talent.

[serene bough]

the only time I think that talent is worth taking is if you bring an MG4 iLas and unload into a horde of groaners. its a pretty bad talent

[rigid schooner]

I feel like smoke grenades should apply some kind of confusion or weakness effect to enemies in it

[tiny summit]

Specials AI gets borked. Toss them on top of the team during a hound wave, dogs just run around in the smoke

[clear lantern]

good reason to have grenade regen then

[rigid schooner]

They got brainrot from the weed 😔

[tiny summit]

A mutant ran through the smoke and kinda stared into the wall for a while

[serene bough]

inb4vapegodvetbuild

[strange crow]

Thank u lol

[hollow ibex]

They got buffed but they could still use some help

I’d like to see them become impact grenades

Add set out fires

Right now it’s kinda like a worse shield bubble lol

[strange crow]

What would be diff between that and the zealot nades? (Not hating just genuinely curious)

I think maybe if it just made it so gunners stopped shooting at concealed targets entirely instead of last known location then that would really buff them

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think immolation nades set out enemy fires. It just confuses everyone lol

[strange crow]

Oh wait sorry I thought u meant set a fire

I'm so bad at reading

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn chat is down below

[strange crow]

I was thinking WP type nade

[hollow ibex]

Spicy gas would be funny

I just think smoke nades still need a bit more love

[slow spade]

just put stims into the smoke

ez fix

[strange crow]

Blaze it

[slow spade]

pox gas already buffs enemies so it can be done

[strange crow]

Seems a bit heretical doncha think tho?

[clear lantern]

oh man, what if smoke grenades nullified/destroyed pox gas

[slow spade]

maybe not -30% damge taken though lol

[slow spade]

ours will be yellow making it holy

[slow spade]

Big E > Chaos once again

[strange crow]

Holy piss fr

[slow spade]

as the Emperor would have wanted

[strange crow]

[tiny summit]

Its the Big Es private kush. No lies.

[worldly pulsar]

For the funni bistol WMD grenades, do you have to have the bistol in hand to benefit from Lethal Proximity? If so, only when you throw, or until detonation?

[strange crow]

From what I've heard you swap to BP before detonation

[spark helm]

It's okay when rejects do drugs. They're rejects.

It's also okay for members of the inquisition to do drugs, because they're "oFfiCIaLly-sanctioned".

Suffer not the unshifted goalpost.

[worldly pulsar]

Okay. I'm testing in the psykanium and I'm not seeing any difference with whether it's in hand or not.

[spark helm]

Also, it could just be somewhat similar to Ranger Veteran's regeneration talent on smoke. Considering just how much we can even do in this game, something as middling as that could be kinda huge. Bonus points if its effects stack to a cap or something like that.

A mini sort of medipak.

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, at least in the psykanium it seems like you get the effect no matter what.

[frank sigil]

what a good melee to carry without building around it or anything? i'm super new just hit level 12

been using an axe, but i was gonna buy a new weapon... but not sure what to spend credits on

[strange crow]

Power sword or duelling sword can't go wrong

[worldly pulsar]

What do you want it to do? Horde clear or armor kill or what?

[thick kestrel]

Shovels are also a decent pick for a low melee investment build

at the very least they're great at keeping you alive long enough for help to arrive

[earnest bone]

Mk1 shovel is awesome and perform almost the same as Rashad

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[rigid schooner]

Doing heavy spam right? LMB chains struggle without many melee talents imo

[thick kestrel]

aye, they're good at staggering and big sideways sweeps are good for making space. they're not the fastest killers in the world but they'll keep you up and standing in bad situations.

the mk.... VII? (used to be VII at least) tends to feel the nicest to me on this part. with uncanny and thrust it's just really damn versatile

a favourite pick for exe-stance lasgun builds

[rigid schooner]

To be honest I've only been using the OG shovel, because I've had more than my fill of the folding shovels on ogryn

[umbral garnet]

No such thing as too much shovel.

[pseudo portal]

Thoughts on Vigilant (burst fire/ single fire on brown one) Autoguns? Been thinking of investing some mastery into em

[thick kestrel]

very fair, I'd recommend them regardless though ^^

I often group them with devilswords and powermauls in a little trinity of "these are just solid picks"

powerful defensive weapons for the more shooty builds.

[hollow ibex]

They are all solid if you can land headshots consistently

[umbral garnet]

I haven't used them enough to tell you reliably. But from the little experience I have, they can be quite monstrous.

[hollow ibex]

If not they’re shit

[umbral garnet]

Correct, it's a weakspot weapon.

It's made to bust heads.

[tame lodge]

It's a
Ahem
Head
Hunter

laugh track

[umbral garnet]

Will you be here for the rest of the week?!

That was gold!!

[pseudo portal]

Yeah, I was like "what the hell happened to the head hunters?" when I was looking at the shop

[tame lodge]

💀

Oh yeah important note

[thick kestrel]

they're solid! headshot focused and tend to have two rather distinct blends.

the burst fire options have the most straight damage potential, but have handling quirks you need to work around, they can have bouncy recoil and become rather unwieldy if you try to move and shoot with them... better to stop and fire.

the mkVII singleshot variant on the other hand is much happier being used on the move but relies on scoring headshots significantly more.

[tame lodge]

The Bash is pretty strong stagger wise

[thick kestrel]

yarp, being able to bonk people with the gun is surprisingly useful

can even knock away bursters in a pinch

[hollow ibex]

The two shot burst one can have some annoying recoil sadly

The three shot burst and single shot ones zoom in on ADS

Which I don’t like

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, the single shot mk7 does work rather well on hipfire it should be noted. that first click tends to be pinpoint each time

an excellent pick for those who love the "crack" of the headshot notification ^^

tiz a very satisfying noise...

[hollow ibex]

They’re all good weapons overall

And can deal with carapace

Which is quite nice

[deft crystal]

what perks on dueling sword?

[earnest bone]

uncanny + whatever you want, usually precog

[deft crystal]

those are blessings

[earnest bone]

oh w8

[tame lodge]

Uh perks uh

[deft crystal]

unarm/unyield?

[earnest bone]

Depends on the build, im using flak + maniac to reach oneshot headshot breakpoints on both flak rager and naked rager

[tame lodge]

Yeah I'm using Flak Elites

[charred iris]

is there a general guide for veterans?

[earnest bone]

pinned

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[deft crystal]

I can give you a strong build

and explain it.

[earnest bone]

there's a lot to read though

[deft crystal]

I gotchu

One sec

[earnest bone]

[charred iris]

thx for the offer but I just generally want to read through some stuff for now

[slow spade]

"read"

fake vet spotted

go back to #psyker-class

[deft crystal]

tbf ogryns rely on us

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-gif-5889395026730118957

[deft crystal]

to help them

which is surprising

since pskyers

yknow

[earnest bone]

someone called me today a "typical CoD player"

[slow spade]

no one said we did a good job thought UwU

[slow spade]

AKA a normal vet

[earnest bone]

but last time i played CoD it was MW3

on PS3

[deft crystal]

me a melee vet:

[earnest bone]

like in 2009

[slow spade]

Commando Pro user

[deft crystal]

tbf melee vet is such a bad idea

[supple stag]

Wrong

[deft crystal]

but man does it feel cool af when u clutch a match

[earnest bone]

100% of my builds are melee

[slow spade]

as in making a melee vet or Fatshark making it the best build?

[earnest bone]

cuz im a lazy zealot main

[supple stag]

Veteran has really consistent melee damage

[earnest bone]

i just play vet as zealot clone with different F ability

[supple stag]

and overall does well in melee lmao

[hollow ibex]

Nah melee vet best class

[slow spade]

I do agree that Fatshark was on crack when making the melee side of Vet

[deft crystal]

Melee is good
BUT magdumping vraks into gunners is more efficient

NAH

yall crazy

[slow spade]

but its absolutely the strongest build

like uncontested

[deft crystal]

Vet gun output better

[slow spade]

cope

[deft crystal]

I will die on this hill u mf's

[supple stag]

You'll run out of ammo at that pace

[slow spade]

like its not even a comparison

[supple stag]

[hollow ibex]

Melee vet is incredibly powerful

[deft crystal]

Krieg mentality: Magdump to have an exscuse for shovel

[deft crystal]

also

[earnest bone]

im day3 like mk1 shovel fan

[deft crystal]

theres to much ammo

on maps

[earnest bone]

but still memeing with 333333333 ambulance (50% res speed) build

[deft crystal]

for u to run out

unless ur just not looking for it

[tawny badger]

fatshark explaining why they made the ranged class a better melee class than the dedicated melee class

[deft crystal]

Vet chat: Build arguments
Psyker chat: Reading and discussing best way to spend points
zealot: People who think they are him. People who are actually him.
Ogryn: 💐

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-explain-gif-25119725

[deft crystal]

80% dmg reduction FROM JUST 2 NODES

Are u serious fatshark

[idle swallow]

callin you in with 0118 999 88199 9119 725 3

[tawny badger]

iron will

https://tenor.com/view/santai-gif-6983900327723509557

[deft crystal]

We all know that if a build

doesnt include iron will

or close order kill

[tawny badger]

I slept on iron will until 2 months ago

[deft crystal]

wtf is wrong w u

toughness is like the main thing

we use

[earnest bone]

iron will facetank snipershot

[deft crystal]

yknow whats really funy

our stealth

is better than zealots

[tawny badger]

for lack of a better explanation,

[earnest bone]

its because they had insane damage increase

giving the same damage boost

would be overkill

so its more like utility

[deft crystal]

whod win?
jo/go?

[earnest bone]

for res or reposition

[deft crystal]

which half

LMAO

[tawny badger]

jojo

gogo

[deft crystal]

the author is semi mad that gojo is so popular

I think

source is trust me bro rn

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[deft crystal]

but like if thats true dude u wrote him

[tawny badger]

gojo is the perfect tumblr sexyman of the modern era what the fuck did he expect

and the anime only made it worse

[tame lodge]

Gege when I catch you gege

[hollow ibex]

There’s an author? I thought JJK was all written by AI

It’s the only way anything makes sense

[tawny badger]

if JJK was written by AI then call me the emperor of mankind

[deft crystal]

Bro theres a video

[tawny badger]

cuz I want that shit banned

[deft crystal]

of authors meeting their fans