#veteran-class

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pastel zealot
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and i'll be happy

stoic thorn
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Lasguns maybe

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Boltguns no

umbral scaffold
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i completely forgot to take this into account

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you right

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also i just noticed your pfp

stoic thorn
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The Psyker on the Tabletop uses a Laspistol

umbral scaffold
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banger Madness Combat reference

stoic thorn
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So they definitely are able to use Las weaponry

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Just that they choose not to

pseudo fiber
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Probably less augments than this

stoic thorn
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Because again, warp fuck people to death

umbral scaffold
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aren’t they also using some type of Laspistol in the skill tree artwork too

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on the far right side

shell python
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the boltguns we use in darktide are scaled-down versions meant for normal humans

pastel zealot
stoic thorn
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Same caliber I think

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Just that it's not as fucking unwieldy as the marine onrs

shell python
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i think lorewise they’re typically reserved for adeptus arbites enforcers and like, astra militarum specialists

stoic thorn
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The Death Korps use boltguns for a few

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The kill team has one

shell python
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but obviously we’re special since we’re official inquisitorial acolytes

pseudo fiber
stoic thorn
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IG sergeants can be equipped with boltguns

umbral scaffold
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i forget our warband isn’t a typical military unit so we operate far differently than an actual Guardsman company

pseudo fiber
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Yeah we're a inquisition warband!

umbral scaffold
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thanks Brahms

stoic thorn
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Wheres my fucking melta rifle

shell python
umbral scaffold
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deal with Grendyl while i purchase this dollar-store Power Sword

stoic thorn
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Give the ogryn a heavy bolter

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Would be funny

umbral scaffold
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give the Ogryn power fists

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throw people

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life good

stoic thorn
umbral scaffold
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yes…. YES

stoic thorn
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With flamers mounted underneath

umbral scaffold
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that would probably bring me back to Ogryn

stoic thorn
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Welcome to the world ogryn aggressors

umbral scaffold
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i love Ogryn but his lack of weapons really kill his gameplay for me

shell python
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i do wish we could get some more ogryn-specific weapons and, since i wanna larp as an ex tempestus scion
a hotshot lasgun complete with a backpack powerpack

stoic thorn
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Zealots should get a power fist too

umbral scaffold
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fuck it everybody can just punch people now

stoic thorn
umbral scaffold
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we’re putting a finesse modifier in for the fists too

stoic thorn
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I cast fist

umbral scaffold
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MAGE HAND (BUT FUCKED UP)

stoic thorn
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Wheres our fucking grenade launcher

shell python
pseudo fiber
stoic thorn
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If yall can somehow manage to get plasma guns

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Wheres the damn grenade launcher

umbral scaffold
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other Rogue Trader ship sorry

shell python
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ogryn eated it

stoic thorn
umbral scaffold
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true

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even then i feel like you could at LEAST give him way more melee weapons

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he’s the big hitty guy

shell python
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unironically a vehicle emplacement in the hands of an ogryn like an autocannon, las cannon or storm bolter would work

stoic thorn
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Ogryn with a Hellhound chem cannon

umbral scaffold
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not to be confused with the small hitty guy

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sometimes he can be a shooty guy

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but mostly he’s a hitty guy

shell python
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quote description from brunt like “a guardsman says some of the guns on the tanks still work, so i went and pulled ‘em right off!”

stoic thorn
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Ogryns are so sweet

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So like

umbral scaffold
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Ogryn named Kill:

shell python
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i appreciate that everybody hates eachother but everybody loves ogryns

umbral scaffold
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(sweetest being alive)

stoic thorn
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Yknow the Leman Russ Demolishers

pseudo fiber
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I feel ogryn could get a lot of melee weapons yeah I agree. They wouldn't be power weapons you can get street signs though!

stoic thorn
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We keep seeing those

umbral scaffold
shell python
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veterans are assholes and not zealous enough, zealots are annoying and loud, psykers are witches and freaks

stoic thorn
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Yeah I wonder where their Siege shovel thing is

shell python
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but ogryns?

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everybody loves ogryns

stoic thorn
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Everybody loves the ogryns

umbral scaffold
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that would actually be hilarious with the Enforcer set

stoic thorn
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What if we gave the ogryn

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The Leman Russ Demolisher Siege Shield

umbral scaffold
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hold on i gotta know

stoic thorn
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They got like a little digger infront of the tank

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We don't see those digger shields from the Demolishers

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So we can chalk it up to the ogryn just fucking stealing it and using it as a shield

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Charge and scoop up the heretics

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Actually

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Just get the fucking ogryn to pry off the multi meltas

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From the tanks

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Thanks moebian 53rd

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For the free multi meltas

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Would be cool if we saw other Leman Russ Variants in the future

umbral scaffold
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is Leman Russ like the Colt or Browning equivalent to the real world where he’s the backbone of most modern military firearms also he produces fucking tanks too

pseudo fiber
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I'm definitely interested in what the next weapons will be

umbral scaffold
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same

stoic thorn
pseudo fiber
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The double barrel model and bolt pistol model were in the files for ageeessss

stoic thorn
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The Leman Russ is the backbone of the Imperial Guards armoured might

umbral scaffold
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my favorite

stoic thorn
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Wheres my fucking baneblade fatshark

pseudo fiber
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THE BANEBLADE

umbral scaffold
stoic thorn
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The heretics when

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Baneblade

stoic thorn
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Like it's all shits and giggles for the Moebian 6th

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But they don't really have anything to deal with Leman Russ tanks

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Let alone a fucking baneblade

pseudo fiber
stoic thorn
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The traitors hardly have any plasma weapons

umbral scaffold
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highkey we win when Weapon Customization becomes base game

stoic thorn
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Not like plasma can take down tanks

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Nor meltas

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Nor lascannons

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They would be POWERLESS

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Against the baneblade

umbral scaffold
pseudo fiber
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53rd have one baneblade

umbral scaffold
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what do you think a tank is gonna do

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it’s gonna be a murder

pseudo fiber
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Roll credits darktide OVER

stoic thorn
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I always get

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Very sad

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When I see a dead ogryn

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Idk why but these fuckers don't fucking decompose like the others

terse idol
umbral scaffold
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“something terrible happened here”

terse idol
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They just don't use them against the rejects

umbral scaffold
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actually yeah

green willow
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I'm convinced not even astartes could survive auric maelstorm

terse idol
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Maaybee

umbral scaffold
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they also have anti-air equipment too

green willow
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we are the most powerful characters in the setting

stoic thorn
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The most the Moebians have is chaos spawn

terse idol
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The anti-air is like already there to be fair

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But yee

stoic thorn
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They may have access to handheld lascannons

umbral scaffold
stoic thorn
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Because guard

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They only got the other monsters for the tanks

umbral scaffold
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do Daemonhosts count

stoic thorn
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Yeah they're pretty OP

umbral scaffold
stoic thorn
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The Inquisition squad used to have Daemonhosts

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On the tabletop

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Pre codex

umbral scaffold
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insane to me btw how they used to just

stoic thorn
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And the MONKEY

umbral scaffold
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have them in boxes and drop them wherever

stoic thorn
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The fucking MONKEY

umbral scaffold
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which is the monkey(

stoic thorn
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The JOKER monkey

umbral scaffold
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?

stoic thorn
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The Jokaero

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Other than the Daemons and shit

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The Moebians due to being an infantry regiment

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Simply don't have much access to Anti Tank

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Just bring a shit ton of Leman Russ Vanquishers and start gunning down them

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Oh a greater chaos spawn?

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Yeah yeah Demolisher go

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2 multi meltas

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A lascannon

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Why the fuck were the Moebian 53rd using an anti tank tank to guard a bridge against all infantry

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Are they stupid

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Just get a vanquisher smh

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And where's their heavy weapons platforms

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I don't see no 53rd manning the heavy bolters

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Or any heavy bolters in that manner

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Or ANY boltguns in general

pseudo fiber
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We haven't seen them much tbf

stoic thorn
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The REJECTS are the only people with boltguns I think

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No traitor bolts

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All shotties

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And plasma pistols

pseudo fiber
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We saw them take an area as a forward base and then also get blown up if you fail

stoic thorn
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Yknow

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I think they'd learn from the train

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The 63rd time

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Like jesus christ

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How many trains have we stopped

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Where are the trains coming from

pseudo fiber
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100000 trains

stoic thorn
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Get us on a mission to the train depot

pseudo fiber
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Apparently they're succeeding quite well the 53rd

stoic thorn
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We gonna blow up trains

pseudo fiber
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From some other blog posts

stoic thorn
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Oh

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That's cool

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Also

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Yknow on certain missions when you extract

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You get to see the valks offloading 53rd soldiers

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They walk kinda funny

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Like the stims mission

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They got some kinda BOUNCE to it

pseudo fiber
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They're 21st not 53rd

stoic thorn
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Oh that explains

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All that swimming

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Strong legs

pseudo fiber
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As of right now we only see the 53rd in Dukane and them getting blown up

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Lmao

stoic thorn
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You'd think they'd learn not to be next to the train tracks

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The 126th time they've blown up

pseudo fiber
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Millions must train

stoic thorn
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Train track fetish I guess

shell python
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missions on moving trains will always be peak no matter the game

stoic thorn
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The fucking Commissar going back to the ministratun to ask for more men because the batch they just sent got blown up again

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They all admiring the

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Moebian steel tracks

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And then the track goes chugga chugga choo choo kaboom

pseudo fiber
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What's fun is its filled with the blight from the intro cutscene so us stopping the train is actually super important

stoic thorn
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Damn

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So we do actually have to save the train mfs

shell python
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yep, its filled with explosives and blight

stoic thorn
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Has it ever occurred to them

shell python
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so the fact that rannick sends us is

pseudo fiber
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It's a question people ask "Why not just stop the train"

Because of the blight

stoic thorn
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That they could build a train sized ramp

shell python
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A Pretty Big Fucking Deal

stoic thorn
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And just have the train

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Ramp over them

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And into more heretics

pseudo fiber
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Comedic rollercoaster

shell python
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also imagine how it’d look from an outside observer
a runaway train at max speed trailing clouds of blight, but theres flashes of laserfire going back and forth and muzzle flashes galore

stoic thorn
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What's the blight

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Skipped all the cutscene so I could speed run plasma

shell python
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turbo aids
the green gas that turns people into poxers

stoic thorn
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Is it just generic nurgle disease

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Oh

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Ok

terse idol
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Its in the trailer iirc

elder fiber
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It turns people into smite users

pseudo fiber
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Also why we can't just stop the train

stoic thorn
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Can't we just

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Reverse the train

shell python
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controls are up front

stoic thorn
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Then put us there???

shell python
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too guarded

pseudo fiber
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Well we stop the train they blow up the bombs. Blight spreads more pox walkers.

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Bad

stoic thorn
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Have the rejects slap a few buttons

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Train goes backwards back the depot

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Blight goes off

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Nothing changes because everything there is a poxwalker

pseudo fiber
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We disable the bombs then they've only got the train which they still try to slam into the 53rd.
Hence them sending the captain to try and stop us.

shell python
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background chatter indicates theres also a furball around the train which also prevents our dropship from getting too close to the front, and also why they cant just airstrike the train

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(and also because that’d spread the blight)

stoic thorn
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Furball?

shell python
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massive air battle

stoic thorn
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Oh

tawny badger
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nvm ducky momo's saying all this

stoic thorn
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These bitches got an air force?

shell python
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:3

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yeah

pseudo fiber
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They do its in the traitors curse update

stoic thorn
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I thought it's all valks

shell python
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the 6th have their own aeronautica contingent

terse idol
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It does seem that they do have lasgun support and they dropped the cult captain off from a valkyr

shell python
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the valks are armed

stoic thorn
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True

shell python
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its kinda like how in real life, BTRs are APCs and they still have their huge autocannons

terse idol
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Oh! And they also like drop in squads of snipers in the Ventilation mission, via valk iirc

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You can hear it lift off and they turn their laser sights on

stoic thorn
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Which ones the vent mission

tawny badger
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ventilation purge

pseudo fiber
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The foggy ones

terse idol
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The ventilation purge missions with the fog

thorn lark
tawny badger
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the one where you can't see shit with all the smoke

stoic thorn
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Don't remember it

shell python
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ventilation purge is a modifier, not a mission

stoic thorn
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What difficulty is it

tawny badger
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yeah that

stoic thorn
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Oh

terse idol
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That is one indication of them having the capability to drop off sniper team via valk

umbral scaffold
pseudo fiber
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They're not good eating though

tawny badger
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snipers acting like they're all that only to get blasted in the face because they thought it was a good idea to start sniping 5m from their target

pseudo fiber
tawny badger
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give us a las fusil

sturdy karma
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Did the columnus IAG get nerfed or name changed in the patch? Iv head people rave on it and trying it tonight it seems trash

pseudo fiber
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Viag

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Hrm.

grand perch
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so its a viagraks now?

sturdy karma
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Ah okay that maybe makes more sense. The Col IAG has like 50 rounds in the clip and doesn’t do all that much crazy damage

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It seems inferior to recon in every way

candid agate
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anyone notice swagger is in the mourningstar?

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terse idol
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Its waaayy better than recon

molten oar
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Quick question chat

Is charge power or stopping power better for helbore?

terse idol
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Recon still needs alotttaa supporting talents to make it better

pseudo fiber
molten oar
pseudo fiber
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Dump stability then

molten oar
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Melk got a gold helbore with 80% stability

But 63% stopping

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Is it worth it

sleek garden
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Well it'll be your own fault if you miss

pseudo fiber
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Post update? Not really. You can probably get one from brunt with good stats really quickly.

molten oar
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Huh.

Is Melk not worth it in general or?

pseudo fiber
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80 everything 60 stability.

The reason stability is the dump is because the helbore has a low fire rate. So you don't exactly need a stable weapon.

molten oar
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Cause them purplies are kinda enticing ngl

sleek garden
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my #1 gripe with the helbores is the trigger pull mechanic where your guy pulls the gun down from where you aim

pseudo fiber
tawny badger
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buy melk gold weapons
feed to hadron for easy mastery
shrug

pseudo fiber
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If you've literally never used a weapon before sure

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But right now? Melk is kinda pointless.

tawny badger
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unless you're a psyker because nobody sells warp weapons for some reason

uncut pebble
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Melk is only really useful for mastery now unless you're hunting specific curios.

molten oar
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Wait

So rn the best way is get a good hand in Armory and upgrade at Hadron yea?

sturdy karma
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Iv only found a decent curio from melk but I might use him for mastery Iv completely bankrupt myself leveling up mastery on items

molten oar
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That sounds too easy to be true ngl

terse idol
pseudo fiber
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Yeah it's literally piss easy

terse idol
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Stopping power is damage

pseudo fiber
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Go to brunt. Buy until 80 everything 60 dump stat

molten oar
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Damn

Is that easy KEKW_ogryn

pseudo fiber
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(As in potential max power not right now)
Upgrade
You're done. Weapon is god roll forever.

tawny badger
pseudo fiber
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You get a good helbkre you've got a good helbore for all 3 marks.

tawny badger
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I say we kill melk for his inadequate equipment

uncut pebble
tawny badger
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oh

uncut pebble
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As in, my zealout only uses the blue mechanicus curios.

molten oar
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If only Melk gives Aquila instead of whatever he does

pseudo fiber
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(This is purely aesthetic)

noble canyon
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Fatshark did mention they're planning to do some work on Curios; what form that will take - ask the Omnissiah.

lusty sapphire
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I'm still missing 17% toughness on my ogryn.

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This melk bastard refuses to drop me the good stuff

sleek garden
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I saw an ogryn in my auric maelstrom a few days ago with 90 toughness

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What is the build

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Not even a single toughness node

hollow ibex
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tbf he's prob still fine, because ogryn

edgy dove
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what's power sword mk3 dump stat?

pseudo fiber
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Cleave targetd

molten oar
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Huh. Was abt to ask that

Neat pogryn

edgy dove
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ah dang, whyssat? ain't it good for more hitsing?

molten oar
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Guess I can just consecrate this baby pogryn pogryn pogryn

edgy dove
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or is meta more of you always want charged attacks so cleave barely matters?

molten oar
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Cleave dmg 78 but thats ok I suppose

edgy dove
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at least i think charge does that

pseudo fiber
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Charged attacks have max cleave

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Therefore

edgy dove
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huhn

pseudo fiber
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Cleave targets does nothing

edgy dove
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here i am only using charge when ive the time to get a good sweep in as the first hit on a mob o goobers, or if i need better pen on carapace (bc im pretty sure it lets the psword do more to that??)

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idk haven't checked much

pseudo fiber
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You should use charge all the time really

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Try thr mk6 you'll see true power

edgy dove
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not like i am running very hard missions; mostly play with pretty new player friends

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ah, i went for 3 cause i like the flat heavy attacks; iirc 6 has angled

molten oar
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Bolt Pistol dump stat is mobility right

pseudo fiber
pseudo fiber
frank flame
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NO WAY

edgy dove
safe sage
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is collateral a dumpstat?

frank flame
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it is not

pseudo fiber
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It can be

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On recons

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For example

safe sage
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is it for a braced autogun?

pseudo fiber
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Mobility for brauto

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Iirc

molten oar
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Hmm earlier someone said Lethal Proximity on Boltpistol is bugged

Is this true

edgy dove
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i been running a gray psword on malice missions to get the gist of how it swings

been p fun ngl figuring out in-mission how to aim compared to combat axe, my usual default

molten oar
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Smth abt it only staggering instead of explody

pseudo fiber
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Not seen that myself

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Its "bugged" in a way that makes your shredder frags bigger

molten oar
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Eh fuck it

Point blank explody go boom KEKW_ogryn

pseudo fiber
molten oar
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Now I just need a longcoat to return to Vestments and my Comissar build is complete KEKW_ogryn

balmy flume
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You can even shoot your PB at your teammates if you need

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And don’t forget the Yarrick BP skin for the full Commissar getup

molten oar
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Hmm not sure when Yarrick skin returns

The hat with bionic eye is in store atm at least KEKW_ogryn

stoic thorn
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What's PB

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Polt Bistol?

radiant sedge
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Probable a typo

deft crystal
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what types of enemies are ragers?

radiant sedge
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Maniac if unarmored

tame lodge
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Uh
The ragers

radiant sedge
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The armored ones are... flak?

tame lodge
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Yeah flak

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Dreg Rager is maniac
Scab Rager is flak

marble forum
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Do you know if agile engagement is relevant with DS4/BP? Because it forces me to take krak nades and I wonder if shredder wouldn't be better with these weapons (especially with lethal proximity)

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But then I have to remove agile engagement or bring it down

deft crystal
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blessings for chainsword

trim steppe
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And I would take bring it down over agile engagement.

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So yeah I would drop agile to go grab shredders

marble forum
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Yes that setup is definitely focusing too much on single targets. I was trying to get all the good skills + shredder + survivalist but I think I have no choice to take Fire Team aura (and without agile engagement ofc)

trim steppe
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Yeah, vet struggles to have it all in their skill tree. The good news is you dont need survivalist, its just a marginal "nice to have", fire team works fine

marble forum
deft crystal
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which mark is best for chain swrod

trim steppe
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I'd probably lean towards a nade boost to lean into shredders as your horde clear, so probably demo team

gilded wraith
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Wasn't Rending Strike a key one for shredder spam?

sleek garden
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No? You really don't need anything like that, two grenades will shut down a full horde of bruisers

trim steppe
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Is it? I'm not sure tbh. Rending Strikes is usually not a good pick

sleek garden
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Not sure

kind hull
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Is there some fun builds to play ? I have a weap spe revolver build, the classic recon crit, I have a columnus VoC which I hate, and i'm looking for more options

trim steppe
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Born leader plasma is fun. Terminator agri brauto is fun. You can go exec stance bolter or iLas for a counter-ranged build

sleek garden
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Classic anti shooter role with a generic infantry las/autogun on left side skill tree, or lawbringer/zarona shotgun with manstopper and deadshot and marksmans focus

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The latter is my build of choice for rolling steel

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It's goofy but pretty functional

kind hull
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I really dislike Marksman's Focus, never saw the appeal to this rather than taking other, non-keystone, powerful nodes

trim steppe
sleek garden
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You can shoot down a tunnel and only hit heads

sleek garden
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Tunnel vision boosts the toughness replenishment from exhilarating takedown and kill comfirmed

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Marksmans focus takes my blue lasgun from 2 shots on a shooter to 1

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Tunnel vision also replenishes stamina now, so it is pretty nice on shotguns for deadshot

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Well replenishes stamina on headshots

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Marksmans focus also lets you reload faster

kind hull
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Thanks for all the ideas 👍

sleek garden
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It's not exactly meant for boss damage but it does help a bit for headshots

sleek garden
kind hull
hollow ibex
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I am not a fan of the double barrel at all

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Feels like having two melee weapons

shadow fable
hollow ibex
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Ehh. I would like it more if it felt like it actually did impressive damage for all its limitations

lament venture
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About veteran Infiltrate skill, overwatch grant you a chrage. Is that charge cooldown independently or not?

hollow ibex
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I don’t think so

sleek garden
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I don't have manstopper on mine and it blasts hordes

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But I am also not such a big fan

hollow ibex
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Whereas most guns can comfortably kill maulers at a distance with plenty of mag to spare

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Just not worth imo

marble forum
sacred spindle
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I've not played for a while. Has plasma gun ammo economy gone completely to shit?

sleek garden
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and you have a melee

hollow ibex
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I know, esp if you have double barrel blessing

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I’m aware of all that

tame lodge
sacred spindle
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maybe I'm just rusty / bad at game

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didn't hit as many headshots as I remember

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but it feels like I'm struggling for ammo now!

hollow ibex
sacred spindle
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that'll probably be it then

tame lodge
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🤷

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It went from S++ to S+

hollow ibex
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I hardly take it anymore

trim steppe
# sacred spindle that'll probably be it then

Yeah survivalist has a 5s cool down now so you cant have infinite ammo anymore. Plasma is a bit ammo hungry but nothing crazy, it works well still. Just don't charge shots and don't shoot at chaff

hollow ibex
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It’s fine imo, that’s it

sacred spindle
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I've mostly been playing around with the double barrel so I went straight back to plinking shooters

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which won't help the ammo situation

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ah well

somber axle
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There's more ammo on maps to compensate for the Survivalist Aura nerf

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Just means more back alley scavenging while progressing

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Usually ammo isn't a concern but sometimes you get ammo goblins who will eat tins and packs on white ammo

sacred spindle
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it feels like teams are scavenging more rather than doing objectives

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and nobody's tagging

strange crow
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That’s pubs for you 😔

somber axle
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I think Darktide got an influx of new players from Space Marine 2 and they're still adjusting

sacred spindle
#

that's an interesting take, hadn't thought of that

elder fiber
#

its probs mostly hang-ons from the recent update

hollow ibex
#

Scavenging good. The real objective of each match is plasteel and I won’t have anyone tell me otherwise.

sacred spindle
#

there's no sale on or anything

somber axle
#

People see the Guardsmen in Space Marine 2 and really want to play them

#

Unless someone is really into Arma modded servers their only option is Darktide

sacred spindle
#

helldivers 2 and squint

slow spade
hollow ibex
#

Dockets are good too

sacred spindle
#

also books - it's not vermintide, you don't get enough rewards to bother doing grims, wtf are you doing gimping my health?

#

old man yells at hive ceiling

slow spade
#

yeah I feel sorry for the penance chasers

#

you have to get 75 grims lol

#

if they missed the 21st Moebian rush from last week, they're in agony now

sacred spindle
#

oh lord that's a thing now

#

stopped playing just before the penance update

slow spade
#

indeed, the new Weapon update added a bunch of weapon mastery penances

#

so you can skip a few now

shadow fable
hollow ibex
frank monolith
hollow ibex
#

Glad it’s working for you though 👍

shadow fable
#

plus weapon specialist feels like it was practically made for it

frank monolith
sacred spindle
#

it feels like a really fun gun if you can ignore everything more than 10 metres away shooting at you with imputiny

slow spade
#

I mean you have like 70 rounds

#

just shoot them back

sacred spindle
#

double barrel means DOUBLE BARREL

slow spade
#

just don't use the double shot for long range

sacred spindle
#

I literally don't understand the meaning of the sentence

#

"don't use the double shot"

#

😉

slow spade
#

:p

#

(for some reason, the single shot has better long range damage per shell. I blame Nurgle)

shadow dagger
#

minimum pellet count shenaniganery

hollow ibex
shadow dagger
#

good tradeoff

slow spade
shadow dagger
#

more burst damage, higher risk for less damage

slow spade
#

the Emperor guides my shells

frank monolith
hollow ibex
#

Shit I’ve been outed

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thick kestrel
#

well... in my ongoing little project to master all the weapons I'm finding myself using quite a few toys I've never really touched.

combat knife was actually a big one, still not sold on it admittedly but I "kind" of get the reason I see it everwhere.

#

and also why it's infamous for THAT kind of team mate ^^

hollow ibex
#

It’s fun but horde clear is quite lacking

thick kestrel
#

mhmm

#

the little burst of moment when going for the heavy attack is rather entertaining

#

but yeah, it "can" kill hordes but you need those 5 stacks of uncanny strike and a focus on hitting heads to get by

#

on the flipside, working on Recon las for ranged weapon now

#

dang they're a lot easier to keep topped up with ammo now xD

#

been a long time since I touched them

rigid schooner
#

So what's the complete inverse of the knife in terms of use and user behavior

woeful ibex
#

any good builds for the autopistol

#

gonna try it soon

thick kestrel
#

probably shovels?

never really found myself panicing when a Shovel Vet joins the team... probably heavy swords for Zealots

#

I don't think seeing a "Knife Zealot" is as bad as it used to be in fairness ^^

rigid schooner
#

Also, a guy ingame said to never dump mobility, especially/including the recon, which kind confounded me. Why wouldn't you? Did he dump damage?

hollow ibex
thick kestrel
#

for the Recon you can actually run high mobility, as the collateral stat is an optional dump stat?

#

it only provides stagger which is... fine? but far from essential

#

normally for mobility you can get strong bang for you buck with it as the lowest stat mostly because being over 51% means you get the max number of dodges out of it

#

so it's the least painful to have low on most weapons

rigid schooner
#

Well he said "never dump mobility", which may have just been for recon, but generally it's the thing to dump bec-

#

Yeah

thick kestrel
#

while damage, stopping power and stability tend to be much more essential for weapons

#

ammo can... be mixed? some guns can get by with non-perfect ammo stats... particularly if you're primarilly using it as a quick switch for specific targets

hollow ibex
#

I pretty much always dump mobility on guns

thick kestrel
#

and mostly working in melee... or have an alternate means to sustain ammo (Helbore lasguns + shock trooper for example)

#

there's probably an argument to be made to "buff" mobility as a stat in general by tying other factors to it

#

stability on the move for example?

make stability more about bloom perhaps?

there are naturally cursed statements I'm uttering into the world :>

frank monolith
thick kestrel
#

that's fair, but I think that the knife is going to go back on the rack for me. I can respect a weapon but personally not like it too much (powerswords are in this same camp)

rigid schooner
#

Man I just realized that the helbore I fully upgraded has dumped charge rate, max stability. I guess I was thinking of plasma when rolling

#

I've been having a rough time trying to get either, honestly

slow spade
#

you always just spend more dockets for the Brunt gambling machine

hollow ibex
#

At least most weapons are super easy to roll now

sacred spindle
#

not having to worry about blessings or perks

tame lodge
sacred spindle
#

I hate that there's still a load of RNG

#

but it's much less bad

rigid schooner
slow spade
#

the worst part of the RNG has been removed

rigid schooner
slow spade
#

the stats are the easiest to roll thankfully

cedar imp
#

Best Tactical axe Blessings? I definitely gonna rock brutal momentum but what the other one would you guys recommend?

rigid schooner
#

Oh yeah that armorbane blessings has a messed up description, what does it do?

rigid schooner
cedar imp
#

dang theres new one's but idk what to pick

#

this one seems pretty nuts

rigid schooner
#

Tac axe really needs "something"

slow spade
#

iirc Tac Axe is pretty alright on Zealot due to all the crit bonuses

#

but yeah pretty shit on Vet

tame lodge
rigid schooner
cedar imp
#

I mean, vet has reciprocity + Desperado for +35% crit chance

tame lodge
#

Pretty meh

#

Meme material on the fast firing one

slow spade
#

so the crit bonuses on tac axe matter more

cedar imp
slow spade
#

I'm not saying its the best but its definitely not the worst

rigid schooner
#

I think mine ATM has... Surgical 4 armorbane3?

tame lodge
#

Yeah uh
Helbores hit hard already and don't really have trouble with flak or cara

#

And uh

#

Not enough bosses around to benefit from brittleness

rigid schooner
#

So I'm guessing medium/fast models are the ones to go with, and blessings serve to make it faster to put out damage?

tame lodge
#

Well you can have the fast one with Armourbane
Since weight of fire is overkill

#

Surgical Armourbane on the V iirc

crude fiber
# cedar imp true

I just run head taker and brutal momentum with flak and unarmored. You need crits to 1 hit either of the bruisers though so it's not the most reliable 1 shot in hoards. Can't remember which mark I use

tame lodge
#

Uh what are the helbys blessings again

#

Surgical, WoF, Falter, No Respite

#

Infernus

#

Susfire

#

Armourbane

#

Hotshot

crude fiber
#

Hotshot and armor bane on the fast helbor seems meme worthy

tame lodge
#

Definitely one of the memes ever

#

Funniest part is that it might work

tall torrent
#

Hotshot is x2 cleave on all weakspot hits

tame lodge
#

You won't get much out of hotshot if your target is a Scab Rager, Mauler or any Ogryn

tame lodge
tall torrent
#

So essentially x2 cleave on weakspot hit

tame lodge
tall torrent
#

Yes

#

If u hit weakspot only, it gives ur shots effectively 6 cleave

tame lodge
#

Oh I need to rewrite my notes

#

Wait

#

If it still interacts with melee

#

What can I do with Sunder

#

It would probably be redundant but still

uncut pebble
#

Ragers? Minced. Maulers? Mauled. Crushers? Crushed. It doesn't even stop to consider what you're swinging it at.

coral bloom
#

Did they nerf helbore armor pen?
Tried em out more recently felt weaker vs carapace than I remembered

tame lodge
#

Check your marks

#

They can be built to one shot carapace
Well I guess the faster one for 2

#

Fully charged shots that is

misty lance
#

hmm

#

hmm

barren junco
#

what stats should i go for on the plasma gun?

tame lodge
#

Blessings are Gets hot + Rising Heat

#

Perks are Elites and uh

#

Yeah I don't remember

#

Flak or something

barren junco
#

ty

strange crow
#

Not quite as meta but if you want to help the team with toughness then it can be fun

slow spade
#

just make sure you stack toughness

#

as Born Leader is pretty shit if you have low toughness

terse idol
#

Not added toughness

faint beacon
#

Hence why you toughness stack when you use a BL build

trim steppe
rigid schooner
terse idol
terse idol
#

I've been confuuused

#

😭

trim steppe
# rigid schooner Curious why the 71/69

69% TR gives you maximum benefit in allowing 9 uncharged shots before you need to vent heat. 80% TR doesnt make that any better. And after that, every point of CR makes you shoot just a little bit faster, so you dont want to dump CR too hard, even though its the least valuable of all the stats on the gun

#

thus, 69/71

misty delta
#

^

#

the actual value needed for thermal is 68 with a decimal but we just say 69 for safety

leaden skiff
#

Peeps running boltgun with exe stance now?

misty delta
#

also because funny number haha

misty delta
leaden skiff
#

Lies but word

idle swallow
#

exe stance bolter is the way and always has been

leaden skiff
#

We collectively abandoned ece stance for like four patches. Frickin whippersnappers.

misty delta
#

I am boltgun’s biggest fan. If there are no boltgun enthusiasts left then I am dead.

tame lodge
#

I was not part of "WE"

misty delta
#

I used VoC boltgun during that time xd

idle swallow
tame lodge
#

But yeah bolter wants exec

leaden skiff
#

Running boltgun with Doom soundtrack has been the way

trim steppe
leaden skiff
#

Picking between plasma and bolter is hard again...neat

trim steppe
faint beacon
#

But it’s now decent with Relentless now being a base thing on Exe

misty delta
#

and the fact that we can switch into melee

leaden skiff
#

At least someone remembers the before times. Lol

terse idol
leaden skiff
#

For a while there Exe was the ugly redheaded stepchild, VOC was what team players brought, and Infil was the tryhards. This was...many moons ago

terse idol
#

Dats waack

#

I mean

#

VoC was what everyone brought

broken gazelle
terse idol
#

It was that broken

#

Still is KEKW_ogryn

leaden skiff
#

Still kinda is lmao

terse idol
#

No one but hipsters played infil

#

Exe was only for ilas

broken gazelle
#

It would take a huge nerf for me to stop using VOC 😛

terse idol
misty delta
terse idol
#

Infil is pretty good

slow spade
misty delta
#

I used to see vets trying to cosplay as loner zealots using infil

slow spade
#

the only non-% based toughness regen is coherency

tame lodge
leaden skiff
misty delta
#

vets are unironically a good melee class. It’s the running from the team that bothers me

rigid schooner
#

I just really really want extended mags talent for vet to make guns feel less painful.

#

Imagine: 20 round bolter mag

#

12 rnd bolt pistol

misty delta
#

we already have double barrels that we never need to reload I’m on board with this idea

midnight totem
#

Omnissiah unapproved

rigid schooner
#

85rmd vraks IAG

idle swallow
#

Mag size double but any ammo left in the mag on reload is lost

midnight totem
#

-stamps heretic label on your head-

rigid schooner
#

And a few other things I don't mind passing on

terse idol
#

If you got an extended mag talent you would need to give one to ogryn to be fair

midnight totem
#

And what were you doing

terse idol
#

Else there would be less point to playing gungryn

trim steppe
midnight totem
#

By hadron's locker

terse idol
#

If vets already got alotta ammo

#

Or well added magazine size

rigid schooner
midnight totem
#

Lmao

rigid schooner
#

Also, we should be able to stuff shotguns directly full with slugs, dragons breath etc instead of once per

#

You know what, give us two ammo pools for shotguns

idle swallow
#

Where the 40k KSG shotty with twin tubes at

midnight totem
#

Probably but that may be a bit spaghetti coding

faint beacon
#

Aka me

#

I’m the only exception

#

(Jk) still

#

Carry your fucking weight if you play like that

idle swallow
#

Nah I'd die

faint beacon
#

Tbf we wouldn’t have the peak comedy that is Uncanny MK Serrated if it weren’t for the right side

#

Bleed stacking with uncannys rending will never not be funny

narrow frost
#

@tall torrent shadow wants the stats for a perfect plasma

modern fern
#

what i got rn

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#

show me oh great one

misty delta
#

leave the cat alone, I’ll handle this

#

and by handle this I mean link to an earlier convo

modern fern
#

thx

misty delta
#

np lol

tall torrent
# narrow frost <@366562874039992331> shadow wants the stats for a perfect plasma

80 damage, 80 stopping power, 80 ammo, 71 charge rate (or higher, depends), 69 thermal resist (can be lower as long as it can fire 8 shots continuously)

Unarmored/elite (depending on if u take superiority complex)
2nd perk is flak/maniac

Gets hot + rising heat/gloryhunter/focused cooling
Alternatively (if wanting to magdump), blaze away + optimized cooling

Plasma gun needs both 5% ranged damage nodes + precision strikes + either fire team or redirect fire to hit 1 tap breakpoints

faint beacon
#

I say

modern fern
#

thx

faint beacon
#

Watching path go insane

#

Dumping 5 mil on Plasmas

#

Fucking 5 million ordos gone lmao

tame lodge
#

"No more gambling" when plasma shows up

faint beacon
#

See I live a simple life of

#

I play vigilant rifles

#

So I literally just buy it once and get a god roll cause Mobility is the dump

modern fern
#

thx god i have buy until rating

tall torrent
#

It’s a specific distribution u want

#

And it’s basically up to RNG

modern fern
#

well im broke now

#

let see what i got

tall torrent
#

I don’t recommend rolling plasma

modern fern
#

bruh

tall torrent
#

Hardest weapon in the game to perfect roll and it’s not even the best gun

faint beacon
#

Bolter my beloved

modern fern
tall torrent
#

Boltgun + power sword + krak

#

Funny

faint beacon
#

I tried picking up plasma from a god roll stat off melk and it’s just

#

Not fun

tall torrent
modern fern
#

use or na ?

tall torrent
#

Nah, it’s missing breakpoints

#

Damage stat too low

modern fern
normal pawn
# modern fern idk

Once you teach people you can throw the guns instead of holding them when they over-heat, Torgue would like a word with you.

modern fern
#

which one ?

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tall torrent
modern fern
#

well im broke on cash so ermmmm

tall torrent
#

You can just
Not roll plasma

junior needle
tall torrent
#

It’s really not worth spending that much for a perfect plasma

#

When u could roll every other weapon to perfect within like 300k dockets

faint beacon
modern fern
faint beacon
#

Hell Lacerate of all things with Uncanny is pretty disgusting

#

We just have it way easier cause we can click on heads to proc bleed vs everyone else who has to do body and head swipes

modern fern
#

what would be good gun for stealth vet perfectly anti armor

terse idol
faint beacon
#

I’d argue Boltpistol but again

#

Revolver outclasses it

hollow ibex
#

Yes agri revolver best gun in the game pogryn

modern fern
#

what i got same gun i use on civi

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tame lodge
#

Not a lot of perfect anti armor

modern fern
#

something for crusher and maulers

hollow ibex
modern fern
#

ik

#

pain

hollow ibex
#

It’s not very expensive to get a perfect revolver

modern fern
#

i dont use it manly on civi so

hollow ibex
#

Would just get another one

modern fern
#

im broke cuz of plas buy

#

the grind never ends

#

well thank you all for the help

scarlet vessel
#

plasma still effective but now bolter more fun

#

couple patches ago ppl complain plasma, now ppl complain dueling sword.. ppl will always complain meta

terse idol
misty quest
#

Duelling sword on psyker is hilarious

wet ether
misty quest
#

Woops

#

Meant to say devils claw

broken gazelle
#

can't decide which greenaid to use 🤔

wet ether
oak aspen
misty quest
#

Scriers gaze and parry spam with the changes is amazing to watch

hollow ibex
terse idol
#

And that much is something vet needs breakdancegek

#

Simply not having a way to cleave hordes makes it not the best

misty quest
#

Its alright if you go voc

terse idol
#

So really it turns itself into a strictly 'kill a crusher with poke' which its okay

misty quest
#

Theres definitely better options

hollow ibex
terse idol
#

Yee

#

Its like interesting and you can larp pretty well but yeah

#

There are betterr choices its tough!

misty quest
#

Heavy sword is interesting

terse idol
#

Anything is good with voc

misty quest
#

Yeah

terse idol
#

Blehh

misty quest
#

Its a little like devils claw but has a better time dealing with maulers with headtaker exe

terse idol
#

and maybe unyielding? but it is my current go to

hollow ibex
#

It’s like an offensive version of dclaw

#

I just stick to the meta melee weapons though

#

Like the metaslave that I am

misty quest
#

I experiment out of boredom

#

Which is the best helbore? The brown one?

I had a phase where i went the blue one because i could just abuse the jab

terse idol
#

The slowest one is meh

tall torrent
terse idol
#

Yee

#

That's where I kinda check out
I'm addicted to horde clear

#

I gotta try it agaiin

uncut pebble
#

Ds4 db weapon spec.

#

Insane horde clear when you take always prepared, carapace means nothing to you, good dodge distance and count, etc.

tall torrent
#

Duelling sword is basically knife with worse horde clear & mobility but 3 (?) points lower cost

tame lodge
#

No stabby stabby

idle swallow
#

Will my aim and gameplay be enhanced by being partially inebriated, time to find out

hollow ibex
slow spade
slow spade
#

Fatshark pls

tame lodge
#

You can build it to kill one walker per swing

#

Rampage Precognition

terse idol
idle swallow
#

huge value

tame lodge
#

(or just use your heavies on a normal build)

cedar imp
#

Good setup for this shotgun or nah?

#

On vet crit*

tall torrent
#

Might not even be 3

#

In a lot of cases it’s 4

#

DS doesn’t need stam regen delay reduction or atk speed

slow spade
#

save 30 points by not using nodes thumbsup_ogryn

tall torrent
# cedar imp

Ideally u want max damage & stopping power roll, and manstopper is basically a mandatory blessing

cedar imp
#

Why manstopper is mandatory? Also, im new to this shotgun and I want to make it as good as can be, I am still wondering who are my ideals targets and what is its gameplay loop

#

Do you think replacing flechette for scattershot better then? or this option also stinks?

idle pecan
#

Man stopper makes crits have infinite cleave

#

+enhanced staggering

worldly pulsar
#

I use manstopper + scattershot in my DB build. Works great with weapon spec's reload on melee kill

cedar imp
#

So the weapon would be in the anti-horde category?

slow spade
#

more like the anti-everything

idle pecan
#

Yeah

#

Fuck everything in that direction category

cedar imp
#

good stagger thjo

slow spade
cedar imp
#

lmao what do you even mean lmao

slow spade
#

sorry allies the Vet gets the ammo box 😎

cedar imp
#

nah imma use duelling sword to deal with crushers

#

But I love the mentality tho x)

slow spade
#

there will be a river of spent ammo in the Warp because of me

worldly pulsar
#

I just remembered I have a really good folding shovel, I should try that out in my DB build

opaque crane
#

I was wondering what a good recon talent tree looks like and if you can get away with using rashad with it?

pearl tiger
#

hi guys, dumb question but have any of the pinned guides been updated for latest patch?

hollow ibex
pearl tiger
#

or are recent enough, i know vet talent tree got a big shakeup

hollow ibex
tall torrent
pearl tiger
#

thanks!

opaque crane
tall torrent
opaque crane
#

I have the mental faculties of an ogryn

winter grove
opaque crane
#

sah yus sah

winter grove
#

Why not frags tho

opaque crane
#

I sacrificed* it so I could take all the damage stuff I probably don't need and get the shock trooper wtfgryn

winter grove
#

Let me tell ya

#

Recons don't have breakpoints

#

What's your melee btw?

opaque crane
#

ogryn brain only knows more hurt means more ded whatthefuck_heresy

#

uhh I was trying to bring rashad but I can really use anything I guess. Not sure what's most optimal for recon

winter grove
#

Oh it's just a simple rule here

#

If you use single shot ranged

#

Go for oneshot breakpoints

#

I.e plasma, lasguns

#

If it's automatic ranged

#

Then fuck it we ball

#

Like IAGs and Recons

opaque crane
#

like difference between going gunlugger and bringing rok

winter grove
#

Basically

#

You either oneshot enemies by shooting heads with semi auto guns

#

Or you delete hp by sheer firing rate

#

Both are fun

#

Just

#

Don't use shredder autopistol

#

For your own good

worldly pulsar
#

Fuck it's so bad

opaque crane
winter grove
#

It's DOGSHIT

#

There are still people who run it because "it's fun"

#

But I don't think it's fun to unload whole mag just to kill nothing

#

Okay maybe like

opaque crane
#

sounds like the krourk 😮

winter grove
#

2-5 poxwalkers

#

Out of 50

worldly pulsar
#

I remember back in the day zealot could ult and delete like, multiple crushers with one mag

winter grove
#

Krourk has damage

#

This shit doesn't

worldly pulsar
#

Sad state these days

opaque crane
#

oh god

winter grove
#

You can't properly aim with it either

wild summit
#

what are the differences between the two las pistols?

worldly pulsar
#

Very little IIRC

winter grove
#

Mk2 shoots faster mk10 shoots harder

#

People prefer MK2 more

wild summit
#

huh

opaque crane
#

whatever it's shredding I guess it ain't heretics

winter grove
#

It's shredding sanity of it's users

opaque crane
#

that sounds about right! :p

#

I have used all this new knowledge you've bestowed upon me and made a new tree

winter grove
#

Quick tip with frags

#

Throw two into the horde

#

For it to magically disappear

opaque crane
#

the double boom

winter grove
#

You could grab demo team too

#

More frags = more frags

#

Not really a fan of recons, but at least I love ilasguns

hollow ibex
opaque crane
#

I'll see if I can get demo team too! if I use a psword I could get quite a few more free points instead of the rashad. I never really used the recons too much but I've heard good things about em now. thought would be a good time!

#

thank you for sharing normal lasgun build I'll definitely check it out!

winter grove
#

Who would win
A genetically enhanced super soldier in a ceramite power armor or one shouty guy with uncanny pointy sword

winter grove
#

The blue fast one

hollow ibex
winter grove
#

Rather than standalone aura choice

hollow ibex
#

Yeah if you want shredders ig

opaque crane
#

wtfgryn ogryn brain going into overload. I'll use the mk2b for sure! My cat created her own beast of nurgle and it stinks like hell. I'll brb 😭 need to try and clean it.

winter grove
#

Vet isn't complicated at all

#

Esp melee one

clear lantern
#

it's entry-level, but has a high ceiling for excellence

idle pecan
#

What's the track that plays when you reach the auspex part of archivum sycorax

winter grove
idle pecan
#

Its so good. Ty

wild summit
#

honestly, people think i am crazy

#

but if i was a bit more crazy, i would just straight up make a whole doc of the times zealots ruined the damn game vs when they didnt

#

pubs zealots are genuinely the bane of my free time

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either they rush and die, or they just camp in the same spot and let us get overrun

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the area is just too open OMEGALUL

balmy flume
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Voice of Command is essential for PUG games, IMHO.

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i was all alone at that point

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So even if you get screwball teammates you can last a bit longer.

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especially in such a bad area 🥲

serene bough
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does anyone else associate the personalities with the blitz ability they'd most likely use? (professional Exec stance, LC infiltrate, cutthroat VoC)

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serene bough
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cuthroats lungs are filled with too much malice not to be associated with VoC to me

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but i was a psyker, not much you can do there at that point once shit hits the fan and you run out of ammo. Yes, i used up a FULL las pistol oneshotting and headshotting basically everything until it went empty OMEGALUL

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THATS how littered the area was with shooters

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it just felt like the game wanted to see how far i could be pushed kekW

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balmy flume
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Oh

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yeah kekW

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That’s even easier tbh?

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Psyker has ranged immunity on crit

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wait ..

balmy flume
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Also if you use your dome shield

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then why did i get sprayed Confused

serene bough
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what is this discussion about

balmy flume
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(I played psyker a bit for penances)

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We have a visiting psyker asking for tips on how to survive when the zealot is an idiot.

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so that wasnt an option

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Yea but u have ranged immunity when u crit

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It should be really difficult for u to go down to gunners

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like dont get me wrong, if you die you made a mistake, but there is a human limit man 🥲

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idk anything bout psyker gameplay other than i love the trauma staff

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