veteran-class

[kindred creek]

Read

[somber axle]

Idk how warp travel works LMFAO

Tbh the bot usually dies anyway in Aurics

[kindred creek]

You're missing the point entirely

The bot doesn't die if you disconnect while downed then instantly reconnect and take control again.

[somber axle]

If the group is wiping and covered in fire, hounds, hordes, Crushers, bosses, etc. a bo spawning in alive doesn't change the wipe 9 times out of 10

[kindred creek]

You're being obtuse on purpose I hope. Done with the conversation about this

[somber axle]

The 10th time is a fun clutch that just makes the match go a little longer before the next wipe

[somber axle]

Man you need a break. You're in a bad mood dude LOL

[wild summit]

bait

[kindred creek]

Literally learn to read and comprehend

[somber axle]

Bruh

[inland orchid]

I’d be in a bad mood too if a lad misunderstood what I was upset about

[somber axle]

Just block and move on ezpz

You will not see them again

[kindred creek]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15401812

[inland orchid]

That doesn’t fix the problem if they’re online

They typed this already

[somber axle]

If you can't be bothered to block someone in a match repeatedly leaving that's on you

[wild summit]

also they can go offline

to avoid the block

[inland orchid]

It’s not that he couldn’t be bothered he legit can’t block them because they go offline

My god sneaky

[somber axle]

If someone leaves, rejoins, leaves, rejoins, etc. you're in an easy position to block

Also again it's a small community

It's pretty easy to remember a problem and block them

[kindred creek]

Yes and after I've blocked them my match has already been fucked with.

[inland orchid]

I can see why he wanted to drop the convo, jesus it’s like a brick wall

[somber axle]

I've done it before

[wild summit]

i am so happy that i can block that guy finally

[fast cargo]

Hey, playing around with the Vraks (formerly Columnus) Braced Autogun for the first time, what should I put on it?

[somber axle]

Remember the name and block next time

[wild summit]

LMFAO

nah bruh you baiting, good job

you got us good there

[inland orchid]

Sneaky we all aren’t speedsters that can block a lad at light speed after he leaves I’m sorry

[kindred creek]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-hi-guy-gif-21709341

[somber axle]

If you dislike matching with someone just remember and block like

It's that easy

I've done it before and my matches are cleaner for it

[kindred creek]

"Make the bot spawn dead if you disconnect while downed."

^ this easy to fix

[somber axle]

The community isn't that big LOL

[inland orchid]

We all aren’t you I’m sorry

[wild summit]

guys he is baiting you, are you all that gullable? you guys do not just feed him, you give him a free three course meal

[somber axle]

You don't need to be me to block people

[inland orchid]

No but at the speed you’re suggesting we might as well be

[somber axle]

The community being small is kinda fun because I've run into Darktide youtubers too LOL

Like if you're upset and wanting the devs to punish them it's probably not going to happen unless you report and leaving isn't a reportable offense afaik

[kindred creek]

"Make the bot spawn dead if you disconnect while downed."

[somber axle]

So the issue is the bot then?

[kindred creek]

The issue is people using the bot being alive when they disconnect while downed to instantly revive themself

[somber axle]

So they revive in match

You see them do this

They are still in your match

[kindred creek]

If the bot retains being downed as the player who disconnects does, this can't happen

You're being obtuse

[somber axle]

And you can block them

If they disconnect and stay gone then someone else joins in

[kindred creek]

And they've already made my gameplay experience worse

[somber axle]

You can block someone during a match

[kindred creek]

Now I'm done though. Definitely baiting

[somber axle]

It only takes a second

Not baiting. I just think the spawning the bot dead thing is silly. It isn't going to stop giving you games with leavers. Blocking them will

[inland orchid]

Again sneaky we aren’t you, I wish I had the practice to pull up the menu mid purging session

[woeful junco]

question regarding recons

[inland orchid]

Without anything happening to me

[woeful junco]

is headhunter worth it for infernus procs or is dumdum too good to pass up

[hearty panther]

dumdum is too good

[kindred creek]

Actually, it will. They won't be able to do what they are doing if the bot spawns dead. Are you slow?

[somber axle]

Do you think people stop ragequitting right before death/while downed (especially when trying to cheese Auric Storm Survivor title) just because the bot is dead?

[hearty panther]

and you should already be critmaxxing for shocktrooper making headhunter that much less relevant

[somber axle]

They will join a new match and you will see them again

[kindred creek]

I don't care if someone leaves while downed, I care that they are reconnecting and reviving themself to make the match impossible to lose

[somber axle]

Unless you just block them and then you don't see them again

[woeful junco]

so dumdum/infernus then? or is infernus itself not worth a slot

[kindred creek]

If english isn't a second language for you I seriously recommend critical reading courses

[hearty panther]

infernus is fun but exceedingly mid now

[woeful junco]

if it matters this is for the mkXIV. I dont enjoy the laserhoses

[hearty panther]

dumdum/deathspitter across the board for all marks is best

[inland orchid]

People casually removing their need to get help while getting up via rejoining does sound like a abuse of the mechanic so I’m with u on that

[woeful junco]

ok ty

[hearty panther]

for the XIV depending how you play it i do use sustained fire

[somber axle]

You can continue to match with them if you want to and pray the devs give you the solution with begging. Or block and move on

[kindred creek]

Learn to read

[idle swallow]

I do the fastest firing recon with headhunt/infernus but the other two I would probably take dumdum

[woeful junco]

🤔

that does sound

pretty neat as well

[hearty panther]

namely if you weapon swap a lot the uptime on susfire is much higher than deathspitter

if youre only usually killing one or two elites/shooters and swapping back to melee SusFire resets its cooldown

[tall torrent]

There’re a couple reasons why the clips are done with clumped together enemies

1. Scattered moving enemies greatly diminish high-stagger weapons’ clear speed in these trials because they’ll fly to the sides, taking longer to kill2
2. Meat grinder (due to only having 1 player) causes enemies to have flanking behaviour enabled, which is usually not present in live games outside of solo/duo/clutch
3. If a weapon isn’t good at horde clear even when enemies are stacked on top of each other, there’s no way it’d be good when they’re spread out more

[somber axle]

You definitely need a break from the computer to cool off. Take a breath, get a drink, and next time you see someone do this just block them

[hearty panther]

a drink of water ofc

[kindred creek]

https://tenor.com/view/resty-try-learning-to-read-gif-26338036

[somber axle]

Water is good LOL

Gotta stay hydrated

[hearty panther]

or do heroin idk im not your dad

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-pomni-well-okay-gif-10305131393694869771

[somber axle]

no

[idle swallow]

WatchMojo top 10 reasons to start doing heroin

[final hamlet]

Ja, makes sense!

currently trying to install creature spawner
and fail doing so, seems no mods then xD

[hearty panther]

Reason #1: to reconcile the fact you're watching WatchMojo videos

[idle swallow]

Are they still pulling the same multimillion views per video they do be pretty old

[hearty panther]

i have no idea

probably though

mr beast still makes money right

[idle swallow]

nah they're fading

[inland orchid]

With the previous drama with danTDM I’m not sure

But u never know with people that far into the YouTube contract

[severe gale]

real !

[stoic thorn]

I quite like the flight Lieutenant more than the other character

That mf is the only one out here actually supporting us

Flying around and bombing the heretics outside

[soft hound]

Masosi is a peach. I really love her, though I wish she wasn't quite such a token.

[tawdry jackal]

Power sword has been working out but sometimes I really need to swing wildly, constantly, without worrying about interrupts or pushing dudes off me.

Shovel?

I liked it cause swinging for heads usually helped out

[soft hound]

Been enjoying my chainsword recently. Need to make and learn a sneaky bastard build at some point. Do vets have an ogrynomicon equivalent?

[shadow dagger]

the humble pinned message button:

[safe sage]

are these the best blessing for a plasma gun?

[stray nebula]

Everyone always talks about doing heroin, but no one ever talks about doing hero.

[shadow dagger]

the guide in the pins shows a few options for this I think

[terse idol]

Imo gets hot and glory hunter is gooood enough

[peak salmon]

what is ideal dump stat on plasma gun?

[orchid hemlock]

what SH mark do yall use?

[misty lance]

yo

is weapon customization mod legal?

here

[sage agate]

why wouldn't it be?

[misty lance]

idk

[sage agate]

its only clientside

[misty lance]

so can I have laser pointer and ability to use bagnet in my helbore lasgun?

[sage agate]

sure altho idk what bagnet is lol

[sage agate]

erm what is SH

[orchid hemlock]

shock

[sage agate]

oh the shock maul?

kinda like the indignatus for the strikedown lights

[misty lance]

sorry i mean bayonet

[sage agate]

oh nah, if you add a laser or flashlight then it overrides the bayonet special action

[peak salmon]

what is the ideal dump stat for plasma gun?

[tawdry jackal]

There isn’t

[sage agate]

i dont think charge rate matters that much, its a few tenths of a second that it shaves off i think

[tawdry jackal]

Charge rate is the one you can at suboptimal levels but the ideal stats for plasma gun are extremely specific

[peak salmon]

does stopping power effect anything besides stagger?

[tawdry jackal]

#veteran-class message

this is your friend

[orchid hemlock]

also why is CC the dump stat on SM?

[peak salmon]

ty ty

[orchid hemlock]

i thought u want stagger to proc skull?

WAIT SHOCK MAULS CAN STUN BULLWALKS?

[sage agate]

stuns anything except monstrosities w the special

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but it cna stun them THRU THE SHIELD

[atomic zephyr]

it doesnt do the big funny number damage so people forget it exists lol

[tame lodge]

You'll be shocking them

Like

Lights heavies special

[atomic zephyr]

hit a crusher with a shock maul's special and they get trivialized

[tame lodge]

Bzzzzz

[orchid hemlock]

Shock isn't modified by the stat?

[atomic zephyr]

they'll just stand there are you beat their head in

[terse idol]

The biggest issue is the special only targets 1

Crusher hordes suck eggs for the shock maul

[hollow ibex]

Yeah usually better to run a high dps melee weapon and just kill the thing

[terse idol]

Its an okie weapon imo

But yeaahh

Variety is the spice of life

Shock maul is unique

[tame lodge]

It's more than ok
Those heavies have 11.1 cleave for some reason

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[tame lodge]

A spiked block of electric cheese has the same or similar cleave as the Hsword 9 H1

[terse idol]

Unfortunately without something like

Deathblow or brutal momentum

[dire olive]

Or a power sTreNgTh blessing

[terse idol]

Its got extra damage on shocked enemies so

[dire olive]

Without anything extra that 11 cleave is still getting stopped in mixed hordes more than I'd like

[muted prairie]

well frick now i have to try out the shock maul again

[tame lodge]

Just block with Lightning Reflexes

Kek

[dire olive]

Actually I wonder how a melee psyker with the cleave on peril and smite melee shock talents is

[tame lodge]

Oh uh
Charged Strike is really really bad

[dire olive]

Yes but do it for the meme

The shockiest shock maul

[frank monolith]

https://youtu.be/xBGhScoYoTY?si=BxyjZb-VaFMH9yjK solo vet damnation histg 👀

||all be it the easiest map to do solo||

[tame lodge]

If charged strike could stun I'd probably have a Skullcrusher devil claw with it
Hotdog water psyker node

[wise fossil]

Thinking about a Recon Mk XII build (the fast rate of fire one)

Idk if keystone-less is correct 🤔

[tame lodge]

You'll be fine without keystone

[terse idol]

For recon imo it's good

If you're taking Shocktrooper already I'd skip survivalist

But that's my opinion

[wise fossil]

Yes, I agree, but the build is super short on points already and survivalist is one point cheaper than Fire Team

I suppose I could drop Reciprocity or Counter Fire

[tall torrent]

Take rending strikes over superiority complex

And get 5% crit chance on the right over shooter highlight

Probably swap GBITF for catch a breath tbh

[wise fossil]

Gbitf only saves my ass once in a while, but I don't find that I really ever need catch a breath

[wise fossil]

Even with onslaught? The stacks go up nearly instantly

[tall torrent]

Yea

Flak, maniac & unyielding ADMs for recon are really low

Rending strikes is generally not a bad pick

[wise fossil]

So we end up with this

[tall torrent]

Works

[severe gale]

wha

hsword 9 h1 is an overhead

[tame lodge]

Yeah

11.7 cleave

Iirc

[tall torrent]

Yea

With max cleave target, 11.7

Same as empowered power sword attacks (max cleave target)

[tame lodge]

With the "Two targets takes the full damage" quirk

[tall torrent]

The falloff after first 2 targets is crazy tho

[tame lodge]

I think all the strikedowns have that quirk

Are the PAs considered strikedowns

[tall torrent]

Yea

For all 3 heavy swords

[tame lodge]

Oh ok
So all the heavy strikedowns have that quirk
Is that a better description?

Will probably have to specify heavy sword heavy strikedowns

[tall torrent]

PA is not a heavy strikedown, 2nd target has cleave falloff from first target

[orchid hemlock]

This is mine, if it gives u inspiration: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

@tall torrent is determined more important to have on recon now?

[tall torrent]

I don’t use it, I just hipfire

[orchid hemlock]

but would u still recommend it over, let's say Desperado or Bring it down?

[tall torrent]

Depends on melee weapon

[orchid hemlock]

I know all melee weapons like Des, but which ones are more valuable with it?

[tall torrent]

Anything that has major crit benefit

[vocal magnet]

is there a good build floating around for recon lasgun/infiltrate?

i suppose it's dipping a little too far into both the far left and far right

[muted prairie]

honestly, i think recon wouldn't have much trouble reaching the nodes you want. could go straight down the right tree and then grab the bottom nodes you want

[vocal magnet]

@muted prairie yeah, i'm finding that to get down to shock trooper it's getting me a little thin

[muted prairie]

smokes and close and kill should save you a good amount of points, then onslaught and shock trooper shouldn't be too hard to grab. lemme mock one up and see tho

[vocal magnet]

true, i think going with krak and demo stockpile isn't helping

i find kraks to be more helpful than smoke though

[muted prairie]

i personally have little to no experience making smokes work

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d411292-48c1-406d-beda-24b792ca1086/rough-recon-infiltrate

[tame lodge]

Thought you wouldn't be lacking on the big dudes damage with a recon

[muted prairie]

ye i agree here. hey, maybe recon time is good time to practice smokes?

[vocal magnet]

thanks

[muted prairie]

this build's rough but should hit the major nodes you want. lots of wiggle room tho

[tame lodge]

When in doubt
Pop a smoke at your feet
Stay inside the smoke

[vocal magnet]

i've actually been taking surprise attack on my infil builds too, is that worth the point for just 5s of damage?

[somber axle]

Could do something like this

Keeps Kraks and Stockpile

[vocal magnet]

oh neat, thanks

[somber axle]

Missing a keystone but that's not a deal breaker with Recons

well

The Recon Mk XII specifically

[tall torrent]

Generally, no

[somber axle]

You could swap Low Profile over to Hunter's Resolve or Surprise Attack depending on your tastes but yeah Surprise Attack just makes the funny orange buff combo right as you hit Infiltrate slightly sillier

[vocal magnet]

i was worried about aggro dumping my teammates with low profile, lol

[somber axle]

Probably take Hunter's Resolve then (or skip a node under Infiltrate entirely) if you use it mainly for repositioning or rescues

Low Profile just makes pulling off rescues and doing objectives way easier

[vocal magnet]

that does make sense

[somber axle]

If you drop Low Profile and Bring It Down you could feasibly afford Focus Target + Redirect Fire for slightly more damage or go into Skirmisher and Weapon Specialist for the funny ranged attack speed bonus

More just to match your taste on playstyle

I just like Bring It Down more for better Crusher killing and fantastic Kraks into bosses

[vocal magnet]

yeah, bring it down has a chunky damage bonus

[somber axle]

Tinkerer Bring It Down Kraks are amazing

And with grenadier you have 3 to toss back to back into a boss to stagger stunlock them to death between melting a hole in their head

[vocal magnet]

i like it

thanks for the help

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

[queen elk]

Dump stat on the Zarona revovler? Mobility, I assume?

[supple stag]

Yeah

[serene bough]

the zealots are acting up today

[hollow tendon]

Looking for shotgun build suggestions please!

[misty lance]

forgot to disable random weapons on teammates

nitro rifle

[winter grove]

How it feels doing console darktiding?

[hollow phoenix]

I have come to a conclusion

I suck at using the Hellbore

[hollow ibex]

It’s not for everyone

I don’t do well with it either

[tough tiger]

Takes a keen eye and good aim to look thru those sights

💀

[green willow]

how to complete Make Every Shot Count

[wheat gate]

Agripina or columnus?

Inf autogun

[hollow ibex]

Colum is prob more meta but both are good

[wheat gate]

Why is it more meta?

Agrip seems to have better damage

[hollow ibex]

Because brrrrrt dps

[somber axle]

Revolver, Shotguns or Plasma. If you can roll a low ammo variant from Brunt that works better. Skip survivalist aura and fully loaded. I did mine with a Lawbringer Shotgun (recently renamed to Zarona Shotgun with Unlocked and Loaded) by accident because the game counts any pellet fired as a hit when shooting. If you're low ammo at the end of a match you can just dump your last few shots into the horde at the door to the dropship/elevator until you're empty

[hollow phoenix]

What I did

Was get kills right away

Then avoid ammo like the plague

and go mele only

But I had a non melee build

[somber axle]

It's easier now vs before because it was changed to 90%+ accuracy instead of 100% accuracy

[hollow phoenix]

I have only one Vet penance left that I’m not looking forward to doing

[somber axle]

Also Survivalist Aura was nerfed so not every Vet runs it anymore and it returns much less ammo even if you do run into a Vet with it

[hollow phoenix]

Kill shot Ready

Because i HATE MF

[misty delta]

eugh. MF penance…

[somber axle]

There are two easy ways to do that

[hollow phoenix]

Adept Assassin just seems tedious

But nothing my crit DB can’t handle

And also because melee crit in that tree is insane

[somber axle]

1. Rashad Axe or Power Sword. Get 10 MF stacks then toggle crouch and RP a Ratling in melee

2. Lawbringer/Zarona Shotgun with Manstopper/Scattershot to evaporate hordes

[hollow phoenix]

How long do MF stacks last for?

[somber axle]

Both ways trivialize earning the penance and with the new Unlocked and Loaded system it's easier to get Manstopper

[somber axle]

You get a 3 sec immunity to losing stacks from movement on any weakspot hit and a 6 sec immunity to losing stacks from movement on weakspot kills. 3 stacks per weakspot kill

But you don't lose stacks if crouched

[hollow phoenix]

Oh so Weakspot hits count too?

[somber axle]

Yes

[hollow phoenix]

Oh that makes it easier, somewhat

[somber axle]

Weakspot hits will maintain the movement immunity

[hollow phoenix]

Even melee?

[somber axle]

You need weakspot kills to get stacks though

Not melee

But all kills at 10 stack MF count toward it

Including grenade kills and melee kills

[hollow phoenix]

At least with shotguns you get accidental weakspot kills

[somber axle]

You could probably do it with Boltpistol grenadier build too but building stacks with boltpistol sounds painful unless you run Camouflage to build stacks automatically while standing still

[green willow]

can I reduce the stam cost of shoving

[tall torrent]

Yes (?) but that talent is bad

[green willow]

which is it

[tall torrent]

Conditioning (weapon specialist)

[green willow]

oh right

I have that

why is it bad

[tall torrent]

3s uptime, usually not being necessary, and doesn’t do a lot

[green willow]

oh that sucks didnt realize that

still unsure if ranged specialist ammo regen is worth

[tall torrent]

It’s very worth for weapons that have very frequent & lengthy reloads

Revolver & shotguns mainly

[green willow]

what about with large mags

[rose echo]

like boltguns?

[tall torrent]

Swap speed too slow, and focus target helps with breakpoints, I don’t bother with WS with Boltgun

[umbral scaffold]

Speaking of

Is WS still bugged with ES?

[grand perch]

it works now afaik but never tried it

[neat sinew]

whats the dump stat for power sword

[gilded wraith]

I'm thinking about a group of vets with lethal prox/glory hunter/shredder/voice of command builds, with born leader. Basically stack a lot of the coherency buffs, then one grab survivalist, one focus targets, and one maybe field improve?

[somber axle]

All Vet groups are fun

Would be a neat challenge to do the Moebian 21st Recon trailer squad and only use the weapons the characters show

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

[gilded wraith]

Any must have group buff auras I'm overlooking? Would stacked covering fire one each vet be useful?

[tall torrent]

covering fire is not worth

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, wasn't sure if stacking it on three vets gave it enough of a boost.

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t matter because u can’t apply it on yourself

And encourages u to spray into horde

[gilded wraith]

Right, I was assuming each vets kills would buff the other two.

[tall torrent]

Kind of? But melee kills them anyway

[gilded wraith]

Would shredder trigger it? I honstely don't remember if DoTs count as ranged.

[tall torrent]

It’s a very niche pick

If you want to share toughness with ur team, take born leader

[gilded wraith]

Yep, that was in the core talents. This was the core idea: I'm thinking about a group of vets with lethal prox/glory hunter/shredder/voice of command builds, with born leader. Basically stack a lot of the coherency buffs, then one grab survivalist, one focus targets, and one maybe field improve?

[tall torrent]

That’s jumping through a lot of hoops to spread toughness lol

Born leader on its own already makes ur VoC share like 75~80 toughness instead of 50

[gilded wraith]

Yep, I like hoops. I was even thinking about Charismatic on each.

[tall torrent]

Could be a decent role play kind of thing

Definitely better than commissar role play lol

[gilded wraith]

Three vets, then an Oggie mascot.

[tall torrent]

The thing is, not many weapons synergize well with covering fire in the first place
And it’s competing vs grenade tinkerer

The toughness replenishment component is actually good

[gilded wraith]

Yep, no issues dropping covering fire.

I think the only three unique would be the one survivalist, one focus target, and one.... improve maybe? Not sure if there's a must have third option after survivalist and focus.

[green willow]

what does impact do again

increase stagger?

[idle swallow]

yep

impact blessing good if you combo with skullcrusher

[lost reef]

Sorry to bother friends, first time interacting here, just a quick question. On a Crit setup heavier laspistol (forgot the mark) with a crit focused vet, is it better to run Dumdum or Infernus for raw DPS?.

[idle swallow]

dumdum

[neat sinew]

They ignored me maybe they will answer you since u have anime girl pic. I say yes(?)

[idle swallow]

infernus even on the faster firing laspistol is a very niche pick and you're better off doing a more consistent combo like ghost/dumdum

[tall torrent]

Ghost is non-negotiable, then either dum dum or desperado

Dum dum for more direct dps
Desperado is +20% crit chance for 6s on dodge, better potential

In-game tooltip for desperado is wrong

[lost reef]

Ahhh, gotcha. Been running Desperado Dumdum on it currently but am always looking for ways to improve the setup. Mostly run 4s.

[supple stag]

Ghost makes it so much easier to remove shooters as you can just stand still and shoot as long as you hit heads and they can't harm you

[green willow]

how good is get back in the fight

[lost reef]

I'll give it a go, ty for the tip.

[tall torrent]

Mediocre

[shadow fable]

Blessings and perks for bolt pistol?

[broken scroll]

for blessings, puncture and dealer's choice of lethal proximity, run n gun, and surgical. I prefer surgical myself, but there's good arguments for all 3

[tepid warren]

What's main difference between infantry autogun and recon lasgun?

[broken scroll]

i run unyielding/maniacs for perks, makes ogryn and bosses a little easier and hits a breakpoint on flamers iirc

[tepid warren]

Or rather what's better: bullet or laser

[shadow fable]

recon seems to be a better all rounder right now

the damage is almost the same too

[tepid warren]

Yeah I noticed

I figured maybe lasgun less effective against carapace

Certainly having trouble downing crushers with it

[shadow fable]

I find marksman's focus and chink in their armor is great with it you don't even need onslought

[shadow fable]

just bring dueling sword for them lol

lasgun isn't really meant for armor

unless we get a hotshot las by some miracle

[tepid warren]

Wait is that not the bayonet lasgun

[green willow]

is determined any good

[hallow drift]

Bayonet is the Lucius pattern. Hotshot las is what the scab gunners (green eyes) have

Loyalist for reference

[tepid warren]

Sorry I read helbore as hellgun 💀

[shadow fable]

are you sure they have a hotshot las? I thought hotshot functioned differently

[green willow]

man I wish we got those cable lasguns

[hollow ibex]

recon mk12 is ok with carapace if you take onslaught, but it's not super efficient

[hallow drift]

Very well could be different but I’m not a big 40k guy, I wouldn’t be a good source

[shadow fable]

actually nvm I think it is the hotshot but the volley hotshot las

[rigid schooner]

man, going from a playing with ranged based builds, to a melee heavy build was quite a jump

the same shovel goes from struggling to stay afloat to cruising through trouble no issue

[stoic thorn]

They've got a hotshot volley gun

Same shit the kasrkin use

[shadow fable]

I said dis

[stoic thorn]

Yeah

I literally got into an argument with someone like a day ago

About whether the scab gunner is a hotshot volley or a regular volley gun

There is no such thing as a regular volley lasgun

[shadow fable]

I realized it here

[stoic thorn]

Had to pull up the kasrkin sprue

[scarlet vessel]

+unyielding is pretty good on rashad lets me chop bulwarks quickly while bolter takes down flak, carapace and maniac and other general elites

[green willow]

is out for blood good

is it infinite toughness when chopping through hordes

[radiant sedge]

It's kinda meh, you already get Toughness back from killing hordes, Out for Blood just makes it more

[winter grove]

I think they just have volley lasguns

Because I don't feel like bolter tier projectile hits me

[hollow ibex]

it's good

it was good already, and then it got buffed

think of it this way. a rashad or power sword can kill four shitters in a single swing. that's 5% per heretic, 20% per swing.

or you can drop a shredder, and recover toughness from the 15 guys around you that'll inevitably bleed to death

and there's pretty much always hordes to farm from.

[green willow]

my build is gonna be nuts

does one motion even do anything

[hallow drift]

I’d just chalk that up to 40k having some of the dumbest wonkiest power scaling, which makes games very difficult to make. Ideally you want to strike a balance between the power fantasy of a iconic weapons like the bolter or power sword, while keeping things challenging enough to still be fun

Kinda like how the lightsabers in Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor don’t instantly one shot everything

Even though we’ve seen how fun that can be in Jedi Knight…

[winter grove]

I mean

[radiant sedge]

I use one motion on my Weapon Specialist build, it makes a difference there but outside of builds that are geared around WS, it's not really needed often.
But it always helps with getting out the bolter/plasma/helbore though

[winter grove]

Lasgun is a lasgun

[pastel zealot]

whats better for horde clear? power sword or rashad combat axe?

[winter grove]

Even if it's a volley one

Hellgun/Hotshot though

That would not be fun to get hit with

[hallow drift]

Lasgun in Darktide is -for the sake of gameplay- a generic “rifle” weapon. In practice it’s a glorified space M14 loaded with DeWalt drill batteries

The thunder hammer is meant to be an anti-vehicle weapon. If people wanted to be sticklers they’d complain that it doesn’t liquify any humanoid target

It pretty much does one shot everything short of monstrosities so people are like “Hell yeah, feels good enough”

[cries in eviscerator]

[tepid warren]

liquefy any humanoid target
Missed opportunity for exploding deaths

[rigid schooner]

according to "TEH LORES" the lasgun should be taking melon sized holes out of stone and killing normal humans near instantly

[hallow drift]

Yeah, lore wise it’s an impressive fuggin weapon

[rigid schooner]

Helbores should be a threat to ceramite, as Krieg troops that are sent with them set right on redline of their capacity can kill a Marine in under 10 shots

which is about as many as it could do, total though

[hallow drift]

Yeah I remember reading something about that once

The whole 10 shots thing mainly

[rigid schooner]

I feel like they should have had some kind of heat system in them though, as that is repeatedly stated for them for any kind of implementations they're in.

[hallow drift]

Basically like “I’m gonna overcharge my ammo because if the fraggin thing dies, I won’t need the other 40 shots in that battery”

And if you have to turn your las into an improvised explosive, for the emprah

[rigid schooner]

"the Krieger's weapons are very powerful, but struggles heavily with heat and limited shots"

[rigid schooner]

honestly, with how volatile lithium batteries can be, these things should be satchel charges in comparison

[hallow drift]

I only just recently maxed out my vet, I wanna pick up a good Lucius but the problem is that it’s job is done kinda better by the plasma

From what I’ve seen around here plasma tends to do everything a lil too good rn but hey, might as well try it while it’s broken

[rigid schooner]

charged shot on plasma doesn't exist

[wet ether]

whats so bad about shout vet? why do people be shiiting on it

[hallow drift]

Shout vet prolly gets the same flak that knife zealot and smyker do

Unskilled people see a YouTube video of a competent player using the build and calling it meta, so they pick it up and expect similar results

[rigid schooner]

very overused, and probably overtuned

[hallow drift]

To be fair your stealth mode is very situational even compared to shroudfield

And combat stance has the crabwalker memes

[rigid schooner]

it feels like vet stealth takes forever to recharge, zealot has it constantly

[hallow drift]

People prolly think shout is the way to avoid shame instead of embracing the glory of yelling at people to get them up

[wet ether]

....whats next you lot are gonna bitch about first it was shout having 100 toughness now its vet shout in general

[hallow drift]

I just like to play the video game

I cba to give a fuck about your build

I’m worried that I’m not pulling my own weight lmao

Scoreboard certainly helped with that anxiety, just a shame so many folks use it to get stinky

[wet ether]

fuck you lot are some ungrateful pieces of shit literally the vet shout is in a good place rn

so quit complaining

[pastel zealot]

whats better for horde clearing? rashad combat axe or power sword?

[stoic thorn]

There's a scoreboard?

[hallow drift]

It’s a mod for PC

[pastel zealot]

its a mod

[stoic thorn]

Oh

1984

[hallow drift]

It’s fairly robust. I mostly use it to yell at my friends for not picking up any friggen plasteel

“YOU NEED THIS MORE THAN I DO”

Honestly there’s a plug-in I’ve fallen in love with

It counts your pings, only one per enemy so LMB mark spams won’t count as much

But it’s wild to see how even in auric folks just…don’t ping?

[stoic thorn]

Plasteel isn't shared?

[radiant sedge]

It is

[stoic thorn]

Oh

[hallow drift]

It is, but if they don’t pick it up and I’m not playing chaperone, they’re not going to have a lot to craft with

I’ve got stockpiles and good gear so I’m just happy to play with my boys, but they still need stuff

[crude fiber]

Discovering you can mute the ping sound was such a god send. LMB pingers were so annoying. That being said I probably ping too much, I ping almost every disabler I see and any enemy I am shooting to see them better

[hallow drift]

It’s like the samples to upgrade all your ship stuffs in Helldivers. Lowbies need them more than I do

[hallow drift]

I play Darktide like an RTS. I ping an enemy like it’s an Attack Move order, and suddenly my zealot is accelerating rapidly in that direction

Ping is also free wallhacks when your entire screen is fire particles

[pastel zealot]

well, if if nobody knows which is better for horde clearing, can someone please let me know which is the better mark for power sword?

[rigid schooner]

looking at the MS word doc in pinned for build guidelines, it says that plasma is headshot dependant.
maybe im not familar, but that's the first i heard of that. is it true?

[odd sparrow]

Its a necessity in a crowd trying to shoot that damn trapper behind 100 poxwalkers

[odd sparrow]

Most of the 1shot breakpoints can be met with crit or headshots. But headshots can be made consistent with skill unlike crit. Also plasma projectile is fairly big so its not that hard

[rigid schooner]

i think i was just concerned a tad after playing inf lasgun and basically coming to the conclusion that it's a
"headshot always or lose out" gun in my head

[crude fiber]

Mk6 is generally considered the better of the 2 but you'll need power cycler and brutal momentum

[odd sparrow]

Plasma will 2 shot on body shot against humanoid enemies

[pastel zealot]

too easy. thank you much

[green willow]

I have finally reached 30

[odd sparrow]

Infantry las requires good aim. Plasma certainly doesnt if you dont land the headshot just shoot em again lmao

[wise turtle]

Thats why i like hellbore, headshots are nice but its more forgiving on body shots

[rigid schooner]

yeah i switched from the medium to the heavy inf las and it behaved a tad more like i wanted.
i just got a decent hellbore, and im gonna do mastery on it, but i started out playing with the bolter like a DMR and i think that spoiled me a LOT

[crude fiber]

Rashad is very good as well but is very hard to build to well

[wise turtle]

Hellbore is also fun to poke pox bursters, 50/50 shot it just blows up on u

[rigid schooner]

the one that does the slash, is there anything interesting about it's melee?

[crude fiber]

Nope, objectively worse then the poke

[molten oar]

O chat

Gotta ask, what good stats should I look for in a Bolt Pistol

Running Power Sword x Bolt Pistol for Comissar larp

[rigid schooner]

80% max in everything, but a 60% in mobility or collateral

[crude fiber]

80 in everything with a 60 in mobility or collateral

[molten oar]

What does collateral do again

[rigid schooner]

stagger mostly

[green willow]

honor the Ratlord and go infiltrate

[molten oar]

Also I have this Explosiion on point-blank blessing, that good?

[green willow]

its great

had it on my zealot

[molten oar]

Noice

[wise turtle]

Now all u need is friendly fire implemented again so u can punish cowardice

[rigid schooner]

Lethal Proximity does currently nothing else except increases the explosion effect radius.
unless it was explicity changed just now

Lethal Proximity is currently bugged providing no explosions on near shots, therefore the only value it brings is a bigger AOE for the stagger.

[crude fiber]

I doubt they'll add it but god if they do it'll be so bad

[green willow]

@molten oar I just noticed you're from foxhole asean

[molten oar]

Damn

If it works it sounds mighty fine for CC

[rigid schooner]

ogryns with their grenade will be a menace

[wise turtle]

I say put it in auric, people always say they want more of a challenge there

[molten oar]

Yes

Used to run there for awhile

[wise turtle]

Or make it a modifier

[green willow]

what's the best build to complete make every shot count

[molten oar]

So far my Comissar build kills elites comfortably for what I got atm

But I'm royally fucked the moment I get swarmed

[wise turtle]

Anything with a shotgun

[molten oar]

I rely on Psykers for CC kekw

[crude fiber]

mission start
ogryn pulls out nuke
mission ends

[rigid schooner]

or swings a branx pickaxe once

[green willow]

it's a veteran exclusive penance right

[wise turtle]

I believe so

[crude fiber]

Friendly fire would have to be toughness only or something

[green willow]

im gonna have to fast on ammo with my columnus vigilant

[molten oar]

Also I have no fucking clue how to use Power Sword

[wise turtle]

I just wish for my mag dumps to be more impactful

[green willow]

bro just turn your brain off

and spam left click on that horde

[final hamlet]

Try this axe called Rash.. something

Combat axe

[green willow]

rashad

I wish the mark names would be more streamlined

I just say blue/green/tan

[rigid schooner]

equip sord
press power button
wave it around 3x
repeat

[green willow]

ok, I feel like I'm on methadone

im now a zealot, with guns

[tall torrent]

yes, not a lot tho

[green willow]

equip speed doesnt matter all that much when it's already so good

but its worth out for blood

[tall torrent]

O4B is not as good as CK for most scenarios

[green willow]

what's CK

[tall torrent]

confirmed kill

[green willow]

I haven't seen It yet on the talent tree. where is it located?

[tall torrent]

top, middle

[green willow]

oh yeah

I have that on actually, forgot its name

[green willow]

my build now that i've reached 30

[tall torrent]

you should take precision strikes

lots of questionable choices in that build

[green willow]

went for max grenades

[green willow]

what does it do

[tall torrent]

+30% weakspot finesse

[green willow]

how does finesse effect guns

I don't remember precision strikes giving you finesse

just 30% headshot damage (which I'll take over 1 extra grenade)

[rigid pilot]

Weakspot damage and crit damage

[pastel zealot]

sorry to bug again, but what perks to use for power sword mkVI?

[tribal tangle]

Power Cycler Brutal Momentum 4 @pastel zealot

ah you said perks sorry

[pastel zealot]

yee!

[tribal tangle]

Flak/Maniac can go on a lot of them, as far as specific breakpoints not sure.

[pastel zealot]

would maniac + elites work? or is flak + maniac generally the go-to?

sorry for question bombardments >_<

[tribal tangle]

Generally you're better to have some extra damage against the chunkier elites. Not sure overall though tbh, I don't use the PS enough

[odd sparrow]

Mk 6, power cycler 2 and brutal momentum.

Against horde you activate --> light 3x. Or activate spam 3x for thicc hordes.

Against crusher or for single target dmg. Activate --> push attack --> light(should be a strikedown if done correctly) --> light

[stable socket]

from the pinned guide

[pastel zealot]

its not outdated?

[tribal tangle]

Nothing changed during the update really, a lot the things they added arent meta

[pastel zealot]

oh capisce

thank you for y'alls patience

[wet ether]

fucking hell vet needs a talent that allows them to reload while sprinting

[tribal tangle]

just dodge

[stable socket]

there's a talent that lets you reload while meleeing! (sort of, it works best on weapons with small magazines)

[wet ether]

i'm meaning one that aint linked to a fucking keystone

[stable socket]

but sprint would be nice as well

[tribal tangle]

too op

just dodge

[wet ether]

like a vet being able to reload while sprinting would be a could QOL talent to have

like tactal reload talent would easily fit that

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-you-drop-this-clown-wig-rdbtc-stupid-gif-130400668885341298

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-only-game-why-u-gif-12588970809860221655

[wet ether]

take away the +25% reload speed while containing ammo in the mag and replace that shit with being able to reload while sprinting

[tribal tangle]

but you can dodge slide which is better because you're avoiding damage at the same time

[final hamlet]

Like class specific talents 🤔

[wet ether]

yes

because think about it militarum soldiers probs would need to be able to reload while running

[tribal tangle]

not lore accurate

cancel it

[wet ether]

also you shut up you only have 2 hours and 19 minutes on darktide

[tribal tangle]

lmao

This session yes

[wet ether]

so you have no right to speak on such matters

[tribal tangle]

Im sure i have more time than you

[wet ether]

this is mine

and this is yours dipshit

[tribal tangle]

i have nearly double your playtime 🙂

i play on steam

[wet ether]

dont care going off your xbox account child

[tribal tangle]

lmao

@wet ether

Its fake tho, found it online

its someone elses profile

[odd sparrow]

This is such a childish tantrum from azure king. Playtime is not an indicator of anything lmao

[tribal tangle]

I was just doing some light trolling but he genuinely mad

[wet ether]

like i was saying earlier before that child interrupted a vet should have a talent to be able to sprint while reloading

it only makes sense

[tribal tangle]

This guys mad he cant take the lightest of ribbings

[odd sparrow]

You are the one who took a mild jab at your idea so personally to start swinging insults and dick measuring contests. Chill

[tribal tangle]

but legitimately though, dodge sliding is better than being able to sprint and reload

yes it lets you advance but thats not always what you want

[final hamlet]

Reload while running would be good and logic for vet.

The many times the reload got interrupted because of running, just to find the weapon not ready...

[steep vault]

can I get advice on the build and curios?

finally hit the perfect plasma gun

[green willow]

which curios do oyu have

[pseudo fiber]

Curious about the pathing through close and kill over survivalist

[steep vault]

I like being fast

[green willow]

I chose 5% damage

[steep vault]

I have 5~ copy of each max curios except wounds

[pseudo fiber]

Fair. One motion is also a curious choice given the already fast draw speed of the plasma gun

[green willow]

I usually go for toughness

[pseudo fiber]

Kraks with plasma seems overkill but given what's going on with Bulwarks rn I get it

[final hamlet]

Thoughts?

[green willow]

what are you using to screenshot the whole build as one

[pseudo fiber]

What weapons?

[pseudo fiber]

Games lantern it seems

[final hamlet]

Duelling sword, laspistol

[pseudo fiber]

Onslaught on Las pistol?

[primal dune]

Yeah, you can skip the rending perks

[final hamlet]

Onslaught for both, yeah 🤔

[pseudo fiber]

I'd consider this perhaps?

[final hamlet]

Will test it, thanks

[native quartz]

why stamina regen instead of the toughness damage reduction?

[pseudo fiber]

Personal preference

[native quartz]

fair enough

[trim hemlock]

Why stamina regen or TDR when Shock Trooper is right there

[native quartz]

las weapon specific, might not be running one

[trim hemlock]

They mentioned using laspistol, though

[native quartz]

ah fair

they probably havent tried it or dont have ammo issues very often

i only picked up that talent in the last couple days despite using a recon

[grand perch]

Stamina regen node is superplusgood anyway

[trim hemlock]

It’s about uptime really, more than ammo issues

[native quartz]

true yeah

[trim hemlock]

It’s good, I won’t deny that

[lusty sapphire]

"Don't take the right side stam delay node take the left side one, more betterer"

[pseudo fiber]

Hell yeah

[native quartz]

most situations i only have to grab the lasgun for a half second to deal with one guy but shock trooper is nice for those big shooter room mag dumps

or just any situation where i need a big fuck off lmb hold

[pseudo fiber]

I totally didn't forget about the right side one

[native quartz]

idk what the default stamina regen delay is so idk how much that node actually knocks off

but i imagine its quite helpful in tight melee situations to keep being able to fend them off

[trim hemlock]

IIRC baseline for Vet is 1s

Correct me if I’m wrong though

[native quartz]

i have no clue lmao im not super in on those finer details despite almost 200 hours lmao

[lusty sapphire]

Also why would sacrifice onslaught for redirect fire instead of Rending strikes?

[trim hemlock]

All good, I just checked it and it’s 1s

[pseudo fiber]

Because someone already suggested removing rending above

So I just didn't include it

[trim hemlock]

So you effectively shave off 25% of that time with a single node, which isn’t nothing, it makes stamina management much more comfortable

[native quartz]

might give it a try

[lusty sapphire]

Oh it's laspistol I see

My bad

[pseudo fiber]

It's aight

If it was recon I wouldn't have said so

[native quartz]

this is the setup i've been feeling quite comfortable with using a recon

could probably be optimized a bit better but its been working quite well with how i play

[grand perch]

Every recon wants onslaught imo

[native quartz]

yeah after picking up im not getting rid of it

[coarse wolf]

using a zarona for the time being until i can build a bolt pistol properly for him, but what would one run on it if i have weapon specialist. basically already 100% crit chance, my brain locked onto hand cannon and it wants to take speedload but it feels like a mistake

[pseudo fiber]

People still take surgical because 1 Stack of WS is only 33% crit chance

[odd sparrow]

Yep. Also WS only applies to the first shot

[coarse wolf]

im using that 5 second buff for the entire duration

[coarse wolf]

no it stays for multiple

[odd sparrow]

Nope

[coarse wolf]

i would know i've been using it for the last 2 days

[odd sparrow]

Wish it did

The firerate increase stays

Crit chance is only 1 bullet

Otherwise people would be abusing that shit with recon for infinite ammo

[coarse wolf]

the game has been lying to me then

[odd sparrow]

It is in the text box but its really not made very explicit

[coarse wolf]

only really need the one anyway

[odd sparrow]

Which sucks it does limit the weapons WS is good on by a lot

[coarse wolf]

i dislike using a gun anymore than i have to

[odd sparrow]

Zarona does 1 shot most things in the head regardless of crit

[coarse wolf]

the cleave on it too

[wise turtle]

As a fellow veteran i will gladly take your ammo packs if ur not using them. I gotta hold down lmb for extended periods of time to get any dopamine now a days

[verbal burrow]

I would strongly suggest considering the right node instead of the left node at the middle-top choice

[verbal burrow]

https://youtu.be/5hDlMCBQg4Q?feature=shared

[pseudo fiber]

Amazing

[grizzled pebble]

Bistol good.

[radiant sedge]

Bolt Pistol and DB Shotty with WS are fun

[edgy dove]

dump stat for helbore?

[pseudo fiber]

Stability

[edgy dove]

o7

[ornate ivy]

is the general consensous maxhp>wounds?

[winter grove]

Yeah

Generally you should go with with no wound curios

Or one max if you're not confident in yourself

[radiant sedge]

I need that extra wound 😅

[winter grove]

The thing about wounds

Healing stims either heal one wound or 25% of your hp

Whichever is a bigger number

So on damnation without any wound curios

Each healing stim heals 50% of your hp

Since you only got two

33% if one extra

[severe gale]

toughness > hp > wounds

most people say running 2 toughness 1 hp is ideal

i run 3 toughness

[severe gale]

also preventing going down is better than going down more

[pseudo fiber]

Or 2 toughness 1 stam

[strange crow]

Some weapons (like recon lasguns) have a 2-string crit tho, so it guarantees 2 crits instead of one

[slow spade]

I run 2 toughness 1 stam

I see 5 wound vets still

At least they use those wounds

[lavish solar]

not sure if I should be happy with that one but okay

[tiny summit]

Until fatshark adds a plasma gun detonate blessing

[balmy flume]

Currently running 2 Toughness 1 Health.
After minor curio blessings and nodes, I am actually over 200 for both Toughness and Health.

Actual tank vet lol

[slow spade]

Fat fuck vet

[lavish solar]

Recently I’ve found that going over 200 toughness on vet does a surprising amount for my survivability

Especially in melee, interesting how that works

[slow spade]

I would hope so lol

I usually run 210 to 250 toughness

[lavish solar]

iron will gud

[slow spade]

Take 2 hits -> still in iron will range

[severe gale]

iron will is balanced !

(it should only apply to ranged)

[slow spade]

Ironically this IS heavily nerfed

[severe gale]

i forgot what it used to be

[slow spade]

It used to be 75%

[severe gale]

ah

right

[lavish solar]

wait when did this happen

[slow spade]

Patch 13

[severe gale]

easy non conditional TDR like that is

not good

[lavish solar]

Hmmm weird I have no memory of that

[severe gale]

it was only in exec stance i believe

[lavish solar]

Literally didn’t make a difference I guess

[slow spade]

It was only when exec stance was active

Which was near always

[lavish solar]

Ahh okay

[slow spade]

Poor exec stance got kneecapped in patch 13

Rip +50% damage

[winter grove]

They should bring it back

[lavish solar]

I’m still kinda struggling to use exec stance when shit gets heated, kept wishing I had funny yellow toughness shout

[primal dune]

I'm doing pretty well with it, mk1 autogun and marksmans focus

[slow spade]

It was better when it was +50% which is both multiplicative and better than the +25% weakspot damage

[lavish solar]

Yeah I briefly used that with exec stance with some success, kinda dropped it after the one time I got fucked by a mixed horde

Maybe time to pick it up again

[winter grove]

Skissue

[lavish solar]

Yeah also I made the grave mistake of bringing a devil claw and frag

[slow spade]

It got buffed to save 1 point and allow you to toss nades and stuff while using

[primal dune]

The thing about mk1 is that it has some penetration so you can pick out ragers from the horde

[lavish solar]

Rip anti carapace

[slow spade]

A lot more reliable

[winter grove]

Frag is good wdym

[primal dune]

You can also use dueling sword for easy mode

[winter grove]

Nah that's ps6 and rashad

[slow spade]

Is DS on vet good? I thought DS was good on psyker due to their +100% cleave node

[lavish solar]

Doesn’t help a great deal against crushers if you don’t have a way to deal damage imo

[primal dune]

It is really good

[slow spade]

Allies make great bait

[winter grove]

2 frags drop crushers and then let allies deal with them

[lavish solar]

True

What I experienced on that one occasion was the edge case

[winter grove]

It's like mk3 knife but if mk3 didn't suck major ass

[slow spade]

Ah ok I saw the low cleave and was skeptical

[winter grove]

Still sucks at horde clear

[lavish solar]

Of the other 3 guys running off oblivious to the entire fucking horde on our ass

[slow spade]

Oh good to hear, I'll try to get one with a giga-frag build

[tame lodge]

That node is just making your lights reach 9 cleave at max peril
The CDD still questionable

[primal dune]

It's alright, not amazing but good enough. It more than makes up for it with easy clowning on maulers and crushers

[winter grove]

Nah, it's just as good at horde clearing as mk3

[tame lodge]

Hmm

[winter grove]

Which is

Not good

It deletes single targets for sure

[slow spade]

Oh

[winter grove]

But rashad and ps6 do that and they destroy hordes

[slow spade]

I guess get the full auto melee mod and go ham 🤔

[slow spade]

To be fair, those are the strongest melee weapons

[primal dune]

light attack with the occasional block push does the job

[slow spade]

So that's a pretty good comparison imo

[winter grove]

Did you see what kind of dirt does the ds4 on zealot do

[tame lodge]

It is quite impressive though

[winter grove]

It's borderline heretical

[lavish solar]

Plus, the ds is miles ahead on mobility

Especially compared to psword

[slow spade]

Tbh I haven't been keeping up to date on Zealot

[winter grove]

Me neither

[slow spade]

Indeed

Buff psword

[winter grove]

But I did get the news that ds4 is just like mk3 on zealot

Aka fucking broken

[lavish solar]

Pretty sure you can oneshot crushers with ds4 on zealot

[slow spade]

As the Emperor willed 🙏

[lavish solar]

So yeah pretty broken

[slow spade]

Those Maccabians make some good swords it seems lol

[primal dune]

Don't let em make a gun

[lavish solar]

Now, how about we get some of that good Moebian steel we risked our asses on for new weapons

Rumor has it they’re pretty good

[winter grove]

Speaking of moebian

There's Dukane and she's commanding the Moebian 53rd

Which wasn't shown to us

How they'd look you reckon?

[lavish solar]

I think you get a glimpse of them if you fail the train mission

[winter grove]

Some actual unique guardsmen like vostroyans or catachans, or the generic ass cadian copy paste like 21st?

[slow spade]

Blue 👍

[lavish solar]

21st actually look pretty nice imo

[slow spade]

I imagine not too different from the 21st imo

I think the 6th changed due to funny chaos magic

"No green? Sorry you guys got to change" -Nurgle

[winter grove]

I mean

All the chaos related soldiers change their colors to corresponding god

Except slaanesh

They just kinda use every color

At the same time

[edgy dove]

heavy sword dump stat :o? (am askin stuff like this a bunch cause im just chillin and tryin to find good rolls to buy then level up 'n upgrade for each wep type lol)

[lavish solar]

I’m using defense as dump rn

But I’m dumb and don’t like to actively push stuff

[edgy dove]

o7

[lavish solar]

o7

[edgy dove]

dueling sword dumps mobility yea or nay?

[lavish solar]

Not super familiar with dueling sword but I like high mobility for that

If ur not looking to use it for horde clear Id say use cleave targets as dump

[edgy dove]

makes sense

[lavish solar]

But again I’ve basically only used those on psyker

Which doesn’t really need melee for horde management with a lot of its builds so I genuinely only stab stuff

[edgy dove]

yea makes sense
id prolly pair it with a swarmcleary gun for vet; maybe the trusty ol recon brrt machine

[lavish solar]

Sounds pretty good

[shy barn]

Are infantry lasguns any good?

[tame lodge]

Weird spot rn

[shy barn]

Was trying to play vet and they feel undewhelming

[tame lodge]

Well you'll need crits and headshots

[shy barn]

I'm using Ghost and headhunter

Like it kills specials well enough, just against armor feels bad

[tame lodge]

Yeah flak is not their thing

[shy barn]

Any high capacity option that does work against it?

Or should I just rely on melee and grenades?

[tame lodge]

If you mean flak armor then Laspistols
If you mean Carapace then recon lasguns with Onslaught talent

Or melee and grenades

If you don't want to change your loadouts

[umbral scaffold]

late but i would actually say damage

mobility is pretty crazy on Duelling Sword and your other stats heighten your damage way more

specifically Penetration

as far as I know, damage doesn’t meet any breakpoints at its highest

(could be wrong)

[pastel zealot]

good morning! is cleave targets the powersword dump stat?

[thorn lark]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

but i’m running damage as dump and 2-3 shotting Maulers/Crushers and putting out good damage against bosses

[pastel zealot]

alright, so i didn't waste my moneys >:D

[umbral scaffold]

i thought the dump was Cleave Damage or Damage

isn’t Cleave Targets really good?

[pastel zealot]

i think the idea is what brutal momentum with the special makes that stat a bit less worthy

since it'll cleave it all anywho

[umbral scaffold]

yeah but doesn’t Cleave Targets have flak multipliers

specifically for damage

[pastel zealot]

stagger distribution

[umbral scaffold]

stagger distribution

thank you

it’s been forever since i used power sword

they dropped the Duelling Sword for other ops and i just never looked hack

[pastel zealot]

i needed a way to cleave through hordes and mixed hordes

_<

since im stepping foot in the tougher stuff

rashad axe just didn't feel good to me

[umbral scaffold]

base Shovel superiority

[final hamlet]

managed to install the mod and tested with various amount of enemies.

How does this cleave work, for example with the axe.
How does it kill so much faster, compared to in this case the duel sword.
What are the factors for it, as cleave damage seems to be not the only factor.
Is it like in Vermintide, that certain weapons ingore mass of the enemy differently?

[pastel zealot]

and i cant get over using a shovel lol

[umbral scaffold]

it’s SO FUN even if it’s very low tier

it’s so, so fast

[pastel zealot]

i was in the army for 13 years. cant stand those shovels

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

which branch?

[pastel zealot]

well, the army

lol

[umbral scaffold]

oh right right sorry

[pastel zealot]

all good, G

[stoic thorn]

Have you tried our lord and saviour

The catachan devil knife

[pastel zealot]

i haven't actually!

[umbral scaffold]

i come from a lot of Navy men so most of the time i have to ask like twice lol

[stoic thorn]

Start parrying

[umbral scaffold]

thank you for your service

[umbral scaffold]

yes and it’s an addiction

[pastel zealot]

oh im too lazy for parries xD

[pastel zealot]

ty for your support

[stoic thorn]

The parry is the whole thing about the knife

[umbral scaffold]

i had to drop it because i wouldn’t use any other weapon for years

[stoic thorn]

I have to use the devil knife

[pastel zealot]

currently im just rocking the power sword and my beloved recon lasgun

[stoic thorn]

Chainsword can't cut it for crowd control

[umbral scaffold]

[stoic thorn]

The recon is such a breath of fresh air

From the plasma addiction

[tepid warren]

yeah recon just feels nice

[pastel zealot]

i like it because i dont have to control freaking recoil D:<

[umbral scaffold]

recon is fun but i mentally can’t run it without onslaught or Shock Troop

and that makes it hard because i usually put my points elsewhere

[pastel zealot]

oh, im using a build someone suggested to me from here

and its amazing.

its made my other classes look silly 😦

[umbral scaffold]

FUCK IT

WE’RE RUNNING RECON TODAY

[stoic thorn]

I live breathe and shit plasma

However

[pastel zealot]

prolly want to get checked out for that..

[stoic thorn]

There's no gambling here

[stoic thorn]

Miniature sun

The toilet has been denurglified

[umbral scaffold]

the Plasma Vacuum is also super banger

but like

[stoic thorn]

You have nothing to worry about, Imperial Citizen

[pastel zealot]

i was trying for the Auric Exemplar title last night, only had 3 to go

and my first mission was so damn sketchy.

[umbral scaffold]

they buffed the Boltpistol and i seriously love it

[stoic thorn]

We need a plasma pistol

And I want gambling for plasma

[pastel zealot]

reason im having a hard time moving away from any other ranged weapon...

is this nonsense.

[stoic thorn]

If you aren't fucking supercharging and gambling your life on it

[pastel zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/hdRbmAZ.png

[umbral scaffold]

it’s always when you attempt challenges does things all go to shit

[pastel zealot]

idc about the damage, look at the players helped portion.

[umbral scaffold]

wait

that’s not gone to shit

that’s a full yellow scoreboard

wait a minute

[umbral scaffold]

technically we do

it just isn’t a pistol for us punies

[stoic thorn]

Yeah

Its on the bloody traitors

And they've got the hotshot volleys

And we've got the recon lasgun

HOTSHOT VOLLEYS WE DONT EVEN HAVE HOTSHOTS

These fuckers getting scion funding

We've killed so many scab gunners where's our hotshot volleys

[umbral scaffold]

yeah that’s probably my most wanted weapon

[pastel zealot]

i just want a Tech Priest class with Galvanic Rifle.

[umbral scaffold]

a Hotshot Lasgun

would be really similar to the Recon but it would be so awesome

[stoic thorn]

I want a hotshot weapon in general

[umbral scaffold]

this would be awesome as well

[stoic thorn]

No that's just the hotshot volley

Its probably gonna be a beefed up infantry lasgun

I mean a regular hellgun is a beefed up infantry lasgun

[pseudo fiber]

Could make it braced

[umbral scaffold]

well whatever the Scab Gunners use me want

[pastel zealot]

how about a Volkite Blaster?

[stoic thorn]

Mate

[umbral scaffold]

wait why is this a great idea

[stoic thorn]

Those are hard to make

[pseudo fiber]

We probably aren't getting those

[stoic thorn]

Volkites are for the space marines

Solely because they're extremely hard to make

[pseudo fiber]

The space marines just got those

[stoic thorn]

Even then the number of volkite wielders in the marines are going down

[pastel zealot]

pretty sure tech priests use them?

[stoic thorn]

It's all neo volkite pistols

The tech priests aren't going to let us even NEAR that archeotech weapon let alone use it

[umbral scaffold]

i feel like weapon implementation might be more lax in this game lorewise. i’m still getting into Warhammer 40K but wouldn’t Psykers being able to use Lasguns and Boltguns be heresy?

[pseudo fiber]

I just want a lightning musket and an omnissian axe

Shared preferable

[pastel zealot]

this

[stoic thorn]

No?

They can just shoot people

If they want to

But they choose not to because they can fry them with the warp

[umbral scaffold]

yeah but aren’t they considered like really Holy weaponry and Psykers are basically considered mini-anti-christs

especially Boltguns

[pastel zealot]

gimme this

[stoic thorn]

They're sanctioned psykers

They're tolerated