veteran-class

[umbral parrot]

Well regardless, i'm badass. And that's all that matters~

[rigid pilot]

Do not slide

[umbral parrot]

It's a nice break from Chainsword and Power Sword builds i usually make.

[rigid pilot]

Slide doesn't break melee tracking afaik and it just eats dodge count

[umbral parrot]

Is a tac-axe the best weapon? No... I think that's really up to the Knife and Power Sword.

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ultra-instinct-gif-13958783

[umbral parrot]

But i just felt like playing around. Going back to Powersword tho.

[radiant chasm]

taxe isn't awful anymore but

[muted prairie]

any benefits of the tac axe over the duelling sword?

[shut talon]

oh, is it better to dodge back and to the side? I keep getting tagged a bit when dodging back vs crushers

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[radiant chasm]

it was the only weapon nerfed overall by the BM rework since it doesn't onetap elites

[misty delta]

you should give dueling sword a try if you want another fast weapon

[tall torrent]

Better horde clear as it has BM

[umbral parrot]

SO THEY KEEP SAYING, I hear how damn good it is. But like... tiny axe.

[tall torrent]

But tac axe vs carapace is just sad

[radiant chasm]

horde clear and more innate crit, otherwise worse in every other way

[rigid pilot]

It's about timing, depending on your weapon sometimes slide does give you enough space to outrange but it's not consistent

[tall torrent]

If they were fielded Rashad, Cadia wouldn’t have fell

[rigid pilot]

You know they love their ice-skating

[radiant chasm]

you know the weird caxe maniac interaction before it got fixed last patch? taxe has that with carapace

[shut talon]

noted thanks

[radiant chasm]

taxe lights have the same, if not better adm into carapace than the heavies

[tall torrent]

I think it also just generally doesn’t do enough ngl

But if it actually could deal with carapace quickly I think I’d enjoy it more

[umbral parrot]

It's okay that Cadia fell. Because we won't get cool memes like Cadia Stands and what nots.

[tall torrent]

And just generally more damage

[radiant chasm]

cadia stands until you crush a blackstone fortress into it

[tall torrent]

It’s like 20% damage away from being good

[umbral parrot]

Going ack to Powersword now.

BRB

[radiant chasm]

you'll def feel slower

psword has terrible dodges xd

[umbral parrot]

80% movement speed and Weapon Specialist.

[tall torrent]

Still just not good

[radiant chasm]

80% mobility is basically no diff from 60% ime

[tall torrent]

It’s 0.05m dodge distance

2.15m vs 2.2m

[umbral parrot]

I'll take any and every inch. Didn't think it was a dump stats though.

[orchid hemlock]

that's all I need

[umbral parrot]

Regardless, it's too good.

[orchid hemlock]

i thought the dump for PS was CT tho

[umbral parrot]

Also, Power sword push attack is AMAZING~!!!!

[fading yarrow]

Imagine unironically sacrificing Scriptures for a Medi-pack as a level 30 VoC Vet on Sedition Enclavum Baross

I am vexed

Peeved, even

[umbral parrot]

What a maroon.

[wild summit]

i think your guides helped guys:

infil performance went through the roof 😄

double tapping q to refill revolver inbetween kills is so fun

[crude fiber]

What popped the barell

[trim steppe]

Which one should I go in on?

[iron marten]

old mate was shooting the poxburster with his iag and somehow hit the barrel lmao

[trim steppe]

Collateral or mobility dump on autopistol

I'm thinking collateral

[worldly pulsar]

I would dump collateral, yeah

[tall torrent]

Dump mobility

Collateral is stagger power which sort of matters because this gun is all about stagger

[trim steppe]

Fair point, i suppose pinning fire is still one of the best blessings on it eh?

[muted prairie]

boy, going from the plasma's mobility to the recon las's mobility is just wow

damn thing's as mobile as some melee weapons

[tall torrent]

PF + blaze away

[junior grail]

Anyone run Double Barrel Shotgun without Weapons Specialist?

[grand perch]

ive done that for a while, did not have a good time, stopped

[shut talon]

ooh, killshot ready is much simpler with camoflague and a high cleave ranged weapon

[radiant chasm]

how tf did you only take 11 damage

GOD DAMN

[vague charm]

How are you supposed to complete armor bane in a timely manner?

[radiant chasm]

you aren't, it's a grind/overtime penance

best case, go kraks, go nade regen

throw kraks at every crusher, mauler, etc you see

[vague charm]

gross

[radiant chasm]

idk it's called variety to me

cause you have one match/one thing penances

and then you have your basic normal gameplay grinds

[crude fiber]

It does count scab bruisers so If you can find a group of them try tossing it onto one of them

[tall torrent]

Throw kraks at enemies that wear flak torso armor

[mighty anvil]

this itemization update reset all my builds, and i completely forgot my skilltrees

[novel stone]

What's the best gun to get the" 20 consecutive headshot" achievement

I was trying ye olde vigilant autogun and that seems my best bet but haven't made forward progress

[hollow phoenix]

Do Reapers count?

[fierce spoke]

Psyker's Brain Rupture

[trim steppe]

psyker brain burst, im not kidding

you can do it as a brand new lvl 1 psyker in 1 map if you dont have a psyker yet

[rigid schooner]

man, going from the bolter to the infantry lasgun was a bit of a whiplash

[novel stone]

Oh really?

Wow

Wrong chat then lok

Thanks yall

[rigid schooner]

i was using the medium stat one MK VII but i really wish i could just gib enemies with one shot like bolter

of course, i was using VoC with bolter, and exe stance with the lasgun

it felt like i had to hit enemies like 4 or so times, or manage to headshot them to actually get kills

and the gun bounces around a bit more than it feels like it should, for the damage it does

i don't know if using the MK IX would help my situation here

atm, i'm running
(Flak)(Maniac)
Headhunter Ghost

but idk if opening salvo is that much better

maybe i should try helbore lol

[last sparrow]

anyone know a good build for the Rashad axe? trying it out on my weapon specialist

[uncut pebble]

That's it.

Run weapon specialist.

There's your build, unironically.

[last sparrow]

oh based

[uncut pebble]

It would not, ilas is just a headshot gun.

[rigid schooner]

is that the case for any vet melee build?

[uncut pebble]

No.

Weapon spec is needed for Rashad due to its slow swing speed.

You can do dclaw or whatever with focus target and do just fine.

But Rashad needs weapon spec.

[last sparrow]

i assume i should take brutal/headtaker for blessings

typical combat axe stuff

[fading yarrow]

I tell ya what
There's nothing better than getting one of each Vet personality in the same mission

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[uncut pebble]

One of each psyker and any of the ogryns.

[last sparrow]

sweet ty

[rigid schooner]

I feel like it's just requiring you to put more effort in for the same or less result

[tall torrent]

no

[uncut pebble]

Why wouldn't reapers count?

Their chest is flak.

And kraks stick to them.

[nocturne mulch]

No it doesn't lol

[uncut pebble]

It is literally midnight. I neither care enough to entertain this argument, nor do I have the time to.

If you think it doesn't, more power to you.

[nocturne mulch]

You can take no melee talents and still do fine with rashad

Otherwise, why was antax meta before the skill tree and the rashad bug fix?

[lament stump]

hey guys how does damge percentage work?

[uncut pebble]

.

[nocturne mulch]

Lol

[uncut pebble]

I'd help you but I actually have no idea of the interactions between percentages and what they actually do short of burn stats on flamer/inferno staff.

[lament stump]

aight i was just wondering if theres a big diff between 60% and 80% on the double barrel cuz i think its a dump stat

[uncut pebble]

I just know what stats you're supposed to dump, and typically, how they work being either 60% or 80%.

[uncut pebble]

Damage is only ever a dump stat on flamer.

[lament stump]

i see

[uncut pebble]

And thats because it's literally a difference of 1 point of damage between 60%-80%.

[fading yarrow]

Me foisting Scriptures on levels 1-5 Rejects in Sedition to finish off a contract, coming to the realization that I was the pack mule when I was level 1-5 and being gifted assorted items:

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

[lament stump]

thanks

[dreamy vortex]

Y'all got any good builds for the agri shotgun?

[lament stump]

is that the one with the slug?

if so I like full bore on it

[fading yarrow]

^

Full Bore and No Respite

[dreamy vortex]

Yeah

[uncut pebble]

Full bore on agri is able to be procced on every shot.

So long as you load a slug, that is.

[lament stump]

slug with full bore is very fun

[fading yarrow]

I find it frankly incredible that Darktide can crash on an Xbox Series X due to upgrading too many weapons too quickly

How is this a thing

[wet ether]

Question how strong is the determined passive?

Like is it needed for any vet build?

[fading yarrow]

Yes

Determined is fantastic imo

[rigid schooner]

what makes no respite so important for shotguns aagain?

[wet ether]

Is it needed for any vet build those?

[fading yarrow]

It is very useful for team support and frontline assaults

[wet ether]

Ok good thanks

[fading yarrow]

It essentially lets you ignore any ranged enemies shooting at you

Which is great if you're trying to revive teammates or get through a crowd

[fading yarrow]

Because if your aim is good and your shot lands, your next shots are stronger

Oh my bad you said No Respite, not Full Bore

Actually the same answer still applies lol

[rigid schooner]

actually, how useful is full bore if you're boring or lazy and aren't constantly loading the special shot

[fading yarrow]

It's still useful

[rigid schooner]

part of me wishes it was a bit less clunky than only having one you could use

[fading yarrow]

I didn't use the special shot very often back when I used the Lawbringer for my old VoC build and still managed to get good damage output with FB and NR

[rigid schooner]

curious when/where it's worth using Mamstopper+scattershot

[worldly pulsar]

On a double barrel weapon specialist build. You weave shots into your melee, and you get great value from those in a big horde

Also the fire shotgun's special has like unlimited cleave, so it can be great there too.

[shut talon]

hello soldiers
would you have any recommendations for vigilant autoguns?

[crude fiber]

Not a fan of them personally I think the 3 shot burst one is the best of the 3

[grand perch]

aim for the head

[shut talon]

much thanks. Just trying them out while I grind for mastery and penance

[wispy sorrel]

Just wondering why the Armageddon vet helmet has GAK scratched on it.

[ruby hull]

i love the balls on fatshark, they have the gall to advertise a community commissar build but not provide us with a quality commissar outfit

and their cheap thrift store commissar doesnt cut it

[rigid schooner]

because we aren't commisars

[ruby hull]

well we arent enforcers either and they gave us enforcer gear

[rigid schooner]

the one psyker is/was

[ruby hull]

i just want a better commissar outfit than..........this

🤮

where the hell are my shoulder pauldrins and shiny dangly bits dammit

[oblique totem]

Where is the sash?

[ruby hull]

DAM YOU RIGHT, WHERE IS MY SASH

I DEMAND ANSWERS

[rigid schooner]

ogryn ate it

[winter grove]

I just want cool guard outfits

[fading yarrow]

Could be the name of an Ork that the previous owner killed

[broken scroll]

So random question, does the mk2 revolver have the ammo economy to be a primary weapon on vet, or is it still a special/elite deleter only?

[fading yarrow]

*Or it could be gak as in the Verghast swear word; "gak-head", "eat gak and die", etc.

[broken scroll]

Been fiddling with builds and trying to figure out if it's worth trying to make it work as a "vast majority of kills come from this thing" weapon, or to stick with using it as a sidearm

[ruby hull]

its less of an ammo consumption and more of a WHY THE HELL IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO RELOAD problem

[broken scroll]

Fair

[final hamlet]

They should add a speed loader for Revolver

[ruby hull]

it does, but only the fan the hammer mark has it

its annoying

[tall torrent]

Same, I need more armored veteran stuff

[tall torrent]

Just specialist/elite deleter, but it’s the best in the game at that job

[wet ether]

why on emperors holy terra would you carry a grim in auric damnation

[rigid pilot]

Rizz check

[trim steppe]

It's the "delete anything that isn't chaff" gun.

[rigid pilot]

No grims no rizz

[wet ether]

no my bad it was a maestrom

auric

[trim steppe]

Gotta get those penances done man

[rigid pilot]

Maelstrom doesn't have books.. right?

[trim steppe]

Pretty sure maelstroms dont have secondary objectives

[stone karma]

Gotta say some of them are really intimidating lmao

[rigid pilot]

Pants on fire

[green willow]

how could i make this work with a ranged specialist build

[trim steppe]

I carry grims in auric damnation idgaf

[wet ether]

ok my bad it was a auric damnation i just did

[trim steppe]

Extra ordos are life

[trim steppe]

jettison the crit damage perk immediately, it is one of the worst in the game. take maniac or somesuch and then shoot everything in the face. Profit

[wet ether]

why those i can under if the zealot had beacon at the time

[green willow]

is crucian good

for it

has 40 bullets

[wet ether]

but without beacon never pick that shit up

[trim steppe]

You're better off with headhunter for building crit

[tall torrent]

It’s merely a vibe check for those that don’t run +health on their curios

[green willow]

I havev that but what for a second blessing

[glacial marlin]

What blessings for recon

[trim steppe]

you have deadly accurate on there already it is goated.

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter + dum dum

[green willow]

headhunter is goated what im saying is that i have 2 blessing slots bro

[trim steppe]

Headhunter + Deadly Accurate

[glacial marlin]

Is infernus any good

[wet ether]

yeah i'm one of those people

[green willow]

oh because I thought when you said to throw away the crit damage perk i thought you meant deadly accurate lol

im going for flak and maniac damage

[trim steppe]

1 lets you crit, one does a ton more damage on a crit. No the PERK is bad, the blessings are good

[tall torrent]

Too bad, better run that >200 health breakpoint

[trim steppe]

Everyone thinks they're hot shit with 3 toughness curios until I pick up that grim

[wet ether]

CAN IT i dont wanna hear your nonsense

if the zealot at the time was running beacon than i'd be fine with it

[trim steppe]

I basically always pick up a grim if I see one if:

1. The team is doing well
2. It's not the first 30 seconds of the mission.
   If everyone's doing their thing and we're like 10 mins in you bet I'm snagging a grim

[wet ether]

but they wasn't

[trim steppe]

If people are barely holding it together I skip

[wet ether]

well we barely were holding it together

ended up losing those

[tall torrent]

Why not run 200+ health tho

[wet ether]

this is why also i just put on a +1 wound curio

[trim steppe]

Wait why run a wound instead of HP

[tall torrent]

U don’t need flamer or bomber resist

[wet ether]

1 didn't ask 2 dont care

[trim steppe]

Might as well run blue curios

[tall torrent]

[placid portal]

Dueling sword is hella fun

Stab stab Stab stab Stab stab and we get a dead boss

[verbal burrow]

Hm

[trim steppe]

Still havent tried DS on vet. Does it play the same as on psyker or is it a different beast with the vet tree

[verbal burrow]

4 mins left on my break

Krak grenades

[placid portal]

What blessings you put on yours if you ever tried

[verbal burrow]

Discuss why they are the best thing ever

[tall torrent]

different because u will have to face the fact that it has abysmal horde clear

[placid portal]

Dont have experience with psyker but heavy into special loop is hella good vs single target

[verbal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/crackhead-crack-this-is-crack-gif-15866527

[placid portal]

But muh polish saber fencing

[trim steppe]

so pair it with an autopistol for horde clear?

yeah psyker has a lot of infinite ammo horde clear to support the DS

[placid portal]

Dueling sword has pretty insane finesse and crits fr

Actually had fun but it does lack any form of multi hit ability which makes me go why tf does it have rampage

[tall torrent]

prob smth like DB shotgun / recon / braced autogun

[placid portal]

Screw that we balling as a cavalier build with a revolver + saber

[trim steppe]

Hiding behind the zealot with the flamer

pew pew poke

[final hamlet]

Not true

[placid portal]

Sadly vet does not have a calvary charge move 😔

Not like he had a horse

[tall torrent]

?

[placid portal]

So just shout and stab

[fiery moss]

Once you're not going down a bunch, you don't need a wound curio

(or unless you're martyrdom zealot)

[final hamlet]

It's not abysmal against horde

[fiery moss]

Corruption resistance and +HP is MUCH better vs. grimoire

[tall torrent]

explain

[placid portal]

Martyr zealots when they realise it's better to keep hp topped off and have martyrdom stack naturally

[final hamlet]

What to explain,
It does pretty well against horde

[tall torrent]

but it doesn't?
did u check its horde clear speed at all

[placid portal]

Does so so, similar to non cleave knife or so I can recall

[edgy dove]

any stat considered dump stat for mk3 power sword? intending to try one for general-purpose killing, horde and anyone else that gets too close that i can't get away from

[tall torrent]

50 pox trials?

bruisers?

[placid portal]

Mobility

[final hamlet]

It does
What you mean, checked it's horde clear speed?

Don't see any horde clear speed number on it

[tall torrent]

do u use the creature spawner mod

[final hamlet]

No

[placid portal]

The only thing I can say is you are super slippery with dueling sword

[final hamlet]

I test weapons in missions

[edgy dove]

i see
ty
how much do the rest matter importancewise?

[tall torrent]

ok so u just don't know what ur talking about, that's fine

[placid portal]

Wait fack I forgot powersword stats

[tall torrent]

duelling sword has the slowest horde clear of any melee weapon outside of ogryn weapons

[edgy dove]

damage/finesse/cleave targets/cleave damage/mobility

[final hamlet]

Just because I don't use mods?

Shows you just some number pusher

[placid portal]

It need just enough mobility to get 3 dodges, high damage pen and power output is pretty much the gist

[tall torrent]

unlike u, I have numbers to support my claims

duelling sword takes around 36s to go through 5 poxwalkers

[umbral scaffold]

PS if you dont get hit has huge horde clear and devil claw horizontal goes crazy

[tall torrent]

there're weapons that take less than 10

[final hamlet]

I play the missions, have no problem
So yeah, sure

[edgy dove]

from checking stats i believe that uh. it cannot go below 3 dodges lol

[tall torrent]

u being able to play with it is not indicative of it having good horde clear

[crystal roost]

sorry to interupt but what are the s tier blessings for melee?

[final hamlet]

Yes, there are better weapons for horde
Doesn't mean DS is horrible

[tall torrent]

u just happen to be very wrong on this subject

[placid portal]

Brutal Momentum/ Death Blow

[tawdry jackal]

Dueling sword is single target

[tall torrent]

if a weapon is worse than every other available weapon in horde clear by almost 100%, I think it's safe to call it "abysmal horde clear"

[placid portal]

Does really good vs ragers, staggers em through their attacks with special

[tawdry jackal]

It’s not dedicated horde clear at all

[tawdry jackal]

Ya

But we’re talking horde removal

[placid portal]

Tru it is almost as similar efficiency vs hoarde as the mk 3 knife, but due to lack of bleed it does it worse tru?

[final hamlet]

And what is the proof for that?

[umbral scaffold]

bleeding out a horde over a long period of time is not horde removal

[tall torrent]

duelling sword 4 takes 36s to kill 50 poxwalkers
mk6 knife takes 18.5s, without a dedicated horde clear setup

that's almost twice as slow

[placid portal]

Brutal momentum axes, Death blow Heavy Sword

[tall torrent]

there's not a single melee weapon that goes through horde as slow

besides ogryn's melee weapons

bully club is around the same speed

[placid portal]

Do not bully club, not its fault it can only damage 3 enemies only

[tall torrent]

ogryn weapons are very polarized

[placid portal]

This was literally the old shovel issue

Only damage 3 and stagger rest so you feel like you do nothing but fling them across the map 😭

[umbral scaffold]

i mean fair ogryn weapons are more arround making space and staggering rather thankilling

[tall torrent]

karsolas and shield:

karsolas takes ~9s
shield takes ~10s

[placid portal]

Ogryn mains are using the power of minecraft to wave clear

[tall torrent]

bully club takes like 38s

pretty sure both chainaxes kill horde faster than duelling swords too

[rigid pilot]

All bully clubs have a 3 target limit?

[tall torrent]

they actually distribute dmg in cleave

[tall torrent]

all sweeping attacks can only dmg 3 enemies, rest are stagger-only (0 dmg)

[dry cloak]

unless you use haymaker

[tall torrent]

haymaker doesn't change it that much

it's still awful

[final hamlet]

Really?
Do you have any visual comparisons of the weapons against horde, so it's more visual clear, how they perform?

[dry cloak]

ogrynomicon begs to differ

[rigid pilot]

I'm sure they say it's better horde clear

[tall torrent]

haymaker makes it better, still doesn't come remotely close to karsolas/shield

[tall torrent]

yea, I have recordings

[rigid pilot]

Which is true, but it's also very underwhelming compared to shield or karssy

[placid portal]

Which one, the sticky one or the light spam

[tall torrent]

both

[final hamlet]

Nice, are they viewable?

[rigid pilot]

Either

[placid portal]

Love me sticky chainaxe

[tall torrent]

need to find them
i can record rn too if u want

Faster this way tbh

Psyker trial was SG-active, 24s with DS4
Without, 36~38s

[final hamlet]

No rush, but I think having a visual view how they perform, is useful, similar to the other pinged content

[placid portal]

Damn

[fiery moss]

wot you sayse

nothing is more stylish than a grenade punch

[wet ether]

why is the whole out of memory nonsense still going on

thought they fixed that shit

[rigid pilot]

With DD?

[dusky elm]

Change my mind: Playing Ogryn makes me wanna quit playing DT.

[rigid pilot]

Nah

[fiery moss]

skill issue (or mindset issue)

[dusky elm]

boredom is skill issue?

[fiery moss]

playing ogryn is all about the v i b e s

[fiery moss]

yeah, gotta learn how to have fun

[rigid pilot]

Peakaxe though

[fiery moss]

Headshotting snipers with a grenade gauntlet

Poking crushers in the face with ripper bayonet and killing them

hitting moving dogs and mutants with rocks

[dusky elm]

so clumsy and slow makes me wanna die

[rigid pilot]

My two mains are psyker and ogryn and I enjoy both very different feels

[tall torrent]

Yea

Idk where your case of DD being good for horde clear comes from

The problem is low cleave and bad distribution

[fiery moss]

same!

[fiery moss]

what's DD?

[tall torrent]

Disrupt destiny

[final hamlet]

Yeet rock against mutant, see him ragdoll highspeed into the sky
The vibe

[rigid pilot]

It just makes it less ass which you can't deny

I agree that it's still bad but not the worst

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s the worst

[rigid pilot]

[fiery moss]

Ah

[tall torrent]

My bad, DS4 base is 36~38s
With SG it’s 24s

It’s still nowhere as fast as actual horde clear power horse weapons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1295656392308424754/Duelling_Sword_4_Scriers_Gaze_24.2s.mp4?ex=670f718c&is=670e200c&hm=a9f37929ea3391cc3997dfb58fc7eea8a4c80ec502795a7a4614cd6141f486a7&

@final hamlet

old clip

[dry cloak]

heavy sword

[tall torrent]

PA actually made it slower than pure light spam

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1295656500815069244/Combat_Axe_2_7.5s.mp4?ex=670f71a5&is=670e2025&hm=2c677d9434760f796d22d931193bc9f14703675a41a989c10a17828ad672852d&

in comparison

same 50 poxwalkers

[dry cloak]

wouldnt antax be better?

[tall torrent]

they're roughly equal

[dry cloak]

ok

[tall torrent]

rashad is just the better axe for most situations

[dry cloak]

well im using achlys combat axe for the most part

[tall torrent]

achlys is much worse than antax & rashad

moveset is just wack

[dry cloak]

i know but it never failed me

[tall torrent]

it's fun, sometimes

[dry cloak]

well im using achlys CA just because i got a good one before the update

now im gonna test antax

[rigid pilot]

Rashad is the one

Truly the darktide weapon

[final hamlet]

Thanks! That is indeed quite the difference between the two. The DS looks so slow
How do they perform when the enemy approaches the full 180° and not only from the front?

Is playing with mods, similar to VT2?
Or is it more relaxed and you can use them, without being in the modded realm?

[rigid pilot]

There's no modded realm

[dry cloak]

well dueling swords are for killing elites

[rigid pilot]

Also games are server side so you can't* really host your own games

Rashad is also for killing elites but it deals with hordes so much better

Although it needs more commitment than a ds

[dry cloak]

combat axes can deal with most enemies

[rigid pilot]

DS you can just slap uncanny and call it a day

[final hamlet]

Ah, gonna check out that enemy spawner then!

[placid portal]

Do you really need uncanny? Feels pretty fast with crit build

Unless uncanny can reach almost 2k on carapace crit

[dry cloak]

use DS on zealot and it was not as good as i expected.

heavy sword better

[placid portal]

Zealot does already have plenty of good melee options of nuking afaik

[drowsy aspen]

Dueling Sword is nice for the pokey pokey but Zealot likes to be hitting a lot of stuff at once

[dry cloak]

eviscerator and hammer

[placid portal]

Ngl I love how dueling sword makes you slippery with so many dodges and dodge effectiveness refresh on weakpoint

[jolly hemlock]

I love duel sword can deal with anything on auric maelstrom elites hordes and monstrosities

[dry cloak]

one topic i want to touch. power sword need an rework to be meter based instead of activate and have 3 swings

or make it usable unpowered

[jolly hemlock]

I don't even need uncanny I run agile and thrust

[dry cloak]

because attack pattern is solid

[placid portal]

Unpowered powersword being normal claw

[placid portal]

I run agile precog, is thrust better?

[dry cloak]

what do you mean? please explain. english not hte best in ogryn brain

[jolly hemlock]

I can hit many one shots with it but alot of stuff depends on your playstyle alot of builds are viable

[placid portal]

Power sword that isnt powered is basically devil claw but without parry

[dry cloak]

ok

thanks

[placid portal]

Thrust seems like it helps kill muties mid charge

[jolly hemlock]

Yea I can easily one-shot them

[placid portal]

Been failing to kill mutie bc I didnt slot maniac

Have to thrust special to kill

[jolly hemlock]

I run elites and unyielding

[placid portal]

Such a disgusting single target combo

[placid portal]

Damn I do that too bc I wanna duel monstrosities

[jolly hemlock]

Yes

[rigid pilot]

You can oneshot mutants on crit, but noncrits you need alot of buffs

[jolly hemlock]

I can one-shot them without crit

[placid portal]

Crit weakpoint is nutty

[jolly hemlock]

Yep

[placid portal]

But then again crit is pretty high with right build

[jolly hemlock]

Just weak point heavy is enough

[rigid pilot]

Vets just built different

Headshot damage, melee damage nodes

[placid portal]

Me running movement speed coherency for 10% melee

[rigid pilot]

Yes

Movement speed is great

[placid portal]

Me with 10% movement speed

[wet ether]

Let’s be real we vets are a jack of all trades

[safe sage]

what does a burn stack do?

is it the same as bleed?

[rigid pilot]

Damage

Falls off slower than bleed

[austere mica]

They have different damage and ADM’s

[rigid pilot]

Bleed is better against unyielding

[austere mica]

I only know the bleed adm’s

[rigid pilot]

I think

[austere mica]

I need to learn the scaling and adm for soulblaze and normal fire

[wet ether]

ok what are you doing in the vet chat.....again go back to the zealot chat

shoo shoo

[rigid pilot]

SB is like >=1 for everything and 0.1 for carapace

[austere mica]

This prejudice is out of control

[rigid pilot]

Consult pinned guide

For soykers

[austere mica]

Well yeah no shit, I meant more specifically

[rigid pilot]

[austere mica]

There isn’t a table for normal burn though

Anywhere I can find at least

[safe sage]

ADM?

[placid portal]

Armor damage modifier

[austere mica]

I bet Dorn will feature it in holiest book but that’s not going to be for a while

[wet ether]

oi fellas is the veteran class a jack of all trades?

[placid portal]

Fun fact, you have more stamina bars when you have your grenade out

[safe sage]

do flame weapons/bombs usually do good dmg vs armor?

[austere mica]

What kind of armor

[placid portal]

Jack of all but also general ranged specialist

[austere mica]

All dot’s suck against carapace

[safe sage]

what enemies have carapace except crushers?

[placid portal]

Mauler head

[iron marten]

reaper shoulder pad

[placid portal]

But mauler on fire/ bleed count as flak btw

[austere mica]

Maulers have a carapace faceplate, and bulwarks and reapers have carapace shoulder pads

[wet ether]

i see so fat shark made the veteran talent tree basically a jack of all trades?

[edgy dove]

assuming mobility is dump on boltgun?

[placid portal]

You got Shooty Shouty and Stealthy

[austere mica]

However maulers are counted as flak armor for dots and bulwarks/reapers are unyielding

[placid portal]

Collateral

[austere mica]

Either that or collateral

[edgy dove]

o7

[placid portal]

Iirc you still need enough collateral to open up bulwarks

Or did they change that

[austere mica]

There’s a specific stagger breakpoint for opening bulwarks shields in 1-2 shots

But it’s generally not worth persuing

[wet ether]

i'm not ogryn levels of stupid jeez

[placid portal]

But I am ogryn

[wet ether]

.....ok now i feel bad sorry big man

[lucid heart]

is there a way to reduce the deafening effect of exec stance?

[final hamlet]

You can damage Armor of enemy's to make them weaker besides brittle?

[lucid heart]

it becomes real hard to hear things behind me when im ulting

[edgy dove]

what about fer stub revolver :o? again mobility? or is it generally smth you want mobility fer?

[placid portal]

For DoT brittle is probs the only thing unless vet's 10% rending also applies on DoT

[placid portal]

Revolver has all 4 too valuable stats so mobility is auto dumped

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/what-i-can't-hear-you-i-cant-hear-you-cant-hear-can-not-hear-gif-5531856642353413593

[austere mica]

Mobility here, it has 3 damage stats and you don’t want dumped reload for a round by round

[austere mica]

Rending affects your personally damage versus armor

[placid portal]

Gotta love revolver 2.4x multiplier on crits

[wet ether]

whats better brittle or rending?

[placid portal]

Brittle is team wide, rending is self

[austere mica]

Uncanny strike let’s dot’s do full damage versus all armor

[placid portal]

So dot benefits from rending?

[wet ether]

ok well thank fuck for onslaught

love that talent

[austere mica]

Brittleness is typically worse due to it being harder to access in sufficient quantity and having to re apply it

[austere mica]

Yes

[placid portal]

Unless rippa gun with can opener

[edgy dove]

oh shweet
guess the one i realized i had sittin around is pretty neato then :D
(mobility 63 (once i get masteried and upgraded), 80 everything else)

[placid portal]

Nuce

[wet ether]

onslaught worth taking than?

[austere mica]

Yes, but I’m talking about brittleness versus rending in general

[wet ether]

ohhhhh ok cool

[austere mica]

Onslaught is a very consistent way to get better damage against crushers with guns like recon or mk5 IAG, but isn’t as useful with slower stuff

[wet ether]

is the vraks infantry autogun slow?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-anxious-nervous-bite-nails-gif-15423608

[austere mica]

No

It’s obscene in every way

[edgy dove]

meanwhile i have a powersword that is cool (lie) for having 80 in everything and then dumps damage
which tbh seems useful to have lol

[wet ether]

......well

[austere mica]

Accurate

It is offensive how powerful that weapon is

[wet ether]

yes she is a beauty

i've had this old girl for a long time now should i try for a better roll?

[austere mica]

Yes

[wet ether]

shame the old girl of a chainsword has always done right by me

[final hamlet]

What is Sainted?

[edgy dove]

whats the dump stat for braced auto? mobility again?

[austere mica]

Or collateral

[edgy dove]

o7

[wet ether]

here the new girl also dont ask how she went down from 80% to 79%

cause i dont fragging know

[frank monolith]

how did yo uget it red

[wet ether]

put simply the next level up from transcendent

[umbral scaffold]

it’s a mod that recently went up on the nexus

[wet ether]

just using a mod rn

those

sainted is in the files

[umbral scaffold]

i think the criteria is that any 80/60 item is turned red or something idk

looks way better than your other girl though

[austere mica]

500 rating t4 perks and blessings

[umbral scaffold]

yeah that

[wet ether]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/380

your welcome

shredder stat what does it do?

[final hamlet]

So Sainted is the next step from 80, to 100 hmm

[pseudo fiber]

Its the damage the chainsword special attack does iirc

[wet ether]

could be

[wet ether]

i'd say so yes

[dry cloak]

May reds be just like in vt2. Every stat is maxed to what it says whe you inspect it

For example agripinna IAG gest 40 round mag

[rigid pilot]

How does a reject own sainted relics

[dry cloak]

Reasons

[dusky elm]

how do you get sainted weapons?

[rigid pilot]

You cant (yet)

Maybe 2026

[wet ether]

more like 2060 lol

with how slow fat shark is

[stoic thorn]

Well yeah they're fat

Two steps behind

[earnest bone]

Sainted weapons? Reds?

[stoic thorn]

Saints? On my heretics?

[rigid pilot]

Heretical weapons

Grendyl will hear of this!

[winter grove]

...what the fuck is a commissar build

[vivid silo]

My version is Bolt Pistol with Run n Gun blessing, so I can sprint towards the heretics while firing, drawing my melee weapon when I get into melee

Bonus points for yelling at the same time

[placid portal]

Devil Claw: Catachan Commissar
Power Sword/Chainsword/Dueling sword: Standard Commissar
Chainaxe: Khornate Commissar

[winter grove]

I didn't ask how to make one

I asked why's there one on the launcher

[green willow]

is deadshow worth taking

[verbal burrow]

Colloquial name for the krak grenade + damage aura + toughness shout + vulnerability tagging Vet build that keeps ramming buffs down people’s throats.

[verbal burrow]

Would have to see it to judge it

Honestly it has more in common with an Imperial Guard Sergeant, but which one you are depends on the drip

[green willow]

deadshot

could it be used for the rapid fire weapons

[vivid silo]

I saw you literally asking "...what the fuck is a commissar build" and thus I replied with my take on it.

[silver oak]

I saw some melee focused veteran styles but how viable Is it to compared melee zealot? What advantages does vet get over zealot

[radiant sedge]

Very viable, imo

A lot of fun with DB shotty using Weapon Specialist and Agile engagement

[mental cloud]

I play zealot then zealot with actual grenades.

So yes lol

[radiant sedge]

Melee Vet with Shredder Frags and Close Proximity on a Bolt Pistol is also stupidy good at clearing mixed hordes

Picking a melee weapon for vet is kinda hard though... I have yet to make up my mind which ones I prefer over others

[safe sage]

is the heavy sword any good?

[mental cloud]

Dueling sword is really fun but so is power sword and chain sword.

[radiant sedge]

I'm currently rotating between Shovel, Rashad and P.Sword

[mental cloud]

Shovel and Rashad are fun too!

[radiant sedge]

P.Sword is fantastic but I don't like having to active tit all the time for 3 swings of death 😅

[radiant sedge]

#veteran-class message

I'd read this if you want to get a breakdown of what weapons are good in which situations.

[mental cloud]

I rolled a good heavy sword, haven’t concreted it yet.

[radiant sedge]

For the DB Shotgun + WS build I definitely prefer a weapon where I can just mindlessly swing to get my 3 stacks for the 100% crit braced double shot 😂

[green willow]

what's best for deadshot

[tame lodge]

Any weapon with surgical

Or Laspistols

I know I know

Surgical Deadshot is kinda redundant

But we are doubling down on that crit chance

[tame void]

tf are sainted weapons

[magic trout]

Helbore, bolter, infantry lasgun, Headhunter AG, bolt pistol

[green willow]

is the burst headhunter adequate

better crit rate with the blessing

[magic trout]

No, blessing is better

But there is a Headhunter AG with single shot

[green willow]

I'm going for an extra dps headhunter so which perks are the best

[magic trout]

Red items, max posible upgrade with 100% stats, not available at this moment.

Only available with mods

[magic trout]

Headhunter + deadly aim

On burst AG

[tame void]

oh...

[placid portal]

Also Agripinna Revolver because yee haw

[green willow]

its really good on burst AG since you get so many crits

[placid portal]

I mean .75 per sec drain and 1.25 stamina per mag isnt bad since revolvos want crits

[green willow]

what about for perks

[placid portal]

Aint no other weapon in the armoury where you can go high noon

[magic trout]

Agripina revolver with deadshot is a monster. 🔥

[green willow]

going for max Stam

[placid portal]

Fun stuff, only reason it isnt picked is zarona is busted

The buff to cleave was much needed for agripinaa

[magic trout]

All rounder: Flak + maniacs
Max damage: Flak + 10%vs. Experts

[placid portal]

So what do you think about Heavy Helbore with carapace and elite perk

I forgot the mks for new guns names 😭

[green willow]

I got flak and maniacs on

for talents I mean

[magic trout]

I prefer zarona over agripina because more ammo and quick swap.
Also hipfire is sble to catch sniper and with extra work you csn snipe them too

[magic trout]

Skill tree?

[placid portal]

Guh zarona having more ammo

[green willow]

is weapon specialist the only one that buffs firerate?

[placid portal]

Yep

[green willow]

yea

might get that juicy 30% to weakspots

[magic trout]

Give me a moment

@green willow

[green willow]

that goes hard but I'm focused on being a close quarters type with weapon spec

[magic trout]

I tought you were runnimg with deadshot?
Ok

[placid portal]

So I probs asked this every once in a while but I really like out for blood for some reason

What is your opinion

[magic trout]

@green willow

Not perfect but more melee focused

You can change 25% more ammo for deadshot if you will still use it

[green willow]

was asking if its worth draining your stamina when you're going for a melee+ranged crit

[sharp trail]

ah, so it's the red rarity from vermintide

by 100% you mean all 80s, or do you mean they're are all at 100%

[magic trout]

You can go kind crazy with a +3 stamina curio and a weapon with +2 stamina perk

[placid portal]

Positives: stable gun and crits
Issue: Tunnel visioned gunplay will punish you

[green willow]

why not take the melee specialist mode that replenishes 20% stam

[magic trout]

You can

But if you are running deadshot with a melee focused build its not that necesary, revolver does have a lot of CRIT

[green willow]

I'm gonna get on and post my build hold on

[tame void]

so youre telling me theres people in my games rn with 100% stats?

[magic trout]

No

They are not craftable and you can get banned by using th his files

They are using mods and cheat engine to search in game files

[green willow]

is it cut content

[magic trout]

Maybe later, Vermintide does have red items but i doudt that we will get a difficulty above of auric maelstrom that is similar to cataclysm in Vermintide

[tame void]

well you dont need to play cataclysm for reds

[magic trout]

Maybe new missions with a different reward

[green willow]

@magic trout the build currently. still didnt reach 30

[magic trout]

Yes, but red items are more common in cataclysm chest.
I opened 30 chest of Legend and i didnt get any red item.
Then i opened 5 cataclysm chest and got 2

[pseudo fiber]

Hello I am here to provide unasked for build advise

[green willow]

yes hello it would still be appreciated

[pseudo fiber]

Switch these

Only in death does duty end is a bait node

[magic trout]

Change sacred blade for agile engagement.
Thats 25% damage is awesome

[green willow]

omfg...... I missclicked and didnt realize

thank you so much

[pseudo fiber]

If you run shout it's usually enough room to get a rez anyway
On top of that +50 gold toughness is goated

Nvm you knew

[magic trout]

Sacred blade is not that useful even with bleed blessings

[green willow]

noticed bleed sucks yeah

too bad its only for 5 seconds

[magic trout]

Dont worry is enough time to kill and repeat mostly in close combat
Kill a mob with your rifle then change to your melee weapon

[tame void]

it really is, detrimental perk imo, using it for saves means youre not using as often as you should, and the reduced radius and increased cooldown isnt worth for 1 save every 3 games

[green willow]

is always prepared even worth

[pseudo fiber]

Path this way

[green willow]

such a small amount replenished

[magic trout]

Yeah 1 save every 3 games...
On my experience this have never happen 😅

[magic trout]

Yeah, you should change both secondary keystone perks for 50% damage reduction
@green willow

[stoic thorn]

I JUST GOT INSTAKILLED BECAUSE A BURSTER FLUNG ME TOO FAR OUT THE WINDOW LMFAO

[frank monolith]

what weapon are you using btw

[magic trout]

@frank monolith

[frank monolith]

melee

[magic trout]

He is using a headhunter AG

[tame void]

ive ran it for around 30 games and got like 5 or 6 saves, is a really bad node

[magic trout]

Common situation 💀

[dry cloak]

VIGILANT auto gun

[tame void]

sure when it happens it feels really good. but oftentimes you dont really needed, the normal shout plus a revive is enough

[magic trout]

It depends, in my experience is a lifesaver.
That perk is the reason i use a rescue/support build

[green willow]

im tripping is it headhunter or vigilant or are they the same

[dry cloak]

Headhunter became vigilant

[tame void]

the increased cooldown probably means it might be on cd when somoene goes does down. and if its not. youre probably hoarding it for the special occasion, meaning youre not using the perk to its true potential

[magic trout]

Same, they changed the name in the last update 😖

[green willow]

lol

[tame void]

latest update changed a lot of names

[green willow]

its because headhunter is a blessing now

[magic trout]

Wait
Are we talking about "leave no one behind perk" or "overwacht"?
I was talking about the first

[tame void]

im talking about revive on shout

[magic trout]

It was already name it like that

They even changed marks name 😒

[tame void]

neither xd. only in death does duty end

how many krak grenades do you get?

[dry cloak]

2 or 3

[junior grail]

Does Scattershot apply if its just one enemy?

[supple plover]

What is this built?

[pseudo fiber]

Just helping someone leveling vet see where to go next

[wet ether]

Well ya know what I need to do as a vet?

[magic trout]

No

[wet ether]

“I’m gonna pop the top off a can of whoop ass”

[slow spade]

Win 😎

[stoic thorn]

Recon lasgun is such a breath of fresh air

I can actually kill shit now

[placid portal]

seems like it, but just 1 stack

[slow spade]

Has it been 22 days? Brb giga-nerfing again

[green willow]

what's the John Wick build

[slow spade]

Revolver weapon specialist?

[green willow]

close range stuff

[slow spade]

Still probably revolver weapon specialist

[green willow]

what for melee

[slow spade]

Yeah that one I'm not too sure

[placid portal]

Use Mk6 combat blade

Kill a rager with a PENCIL

[green willow]

shock maul feels nice and martial

[slow spade]

Probably knife

[tiny summit]

Try out laspistol weapon specialist if you want more pew. The mkx with some ws stacks will 1 tap the priority specials reliably

[placid portal]

mkx has pretty good flak modifier vs the spammy

[green willow]

might i suggest the benelli m4

what's shotgun build

[daring sage]

i love that weapon

but only the first one we got the heavier one has too much spread

[placid portal]

The Agripinaa Shotgun (Slug) is good benelli

[daring sage]

what curios do you want as a vet

toughness?

[placid portal]

+9 stamina

[slow spade]

Toughness and stam

[green willow]

Does the fire shot even do anything

[placid portal]

Remember how you only have 3 stamina on Dueling/Knife? Now you have 12 bars

[slow spade]

Against hordes yes

[placid portal]

has infinite pen iirc?

[slow spade]

2 shots to be safe

As the stacks are pellet based

[daring sage]

fuck i dont have enough plasteel

[placid portal]

Prefer Agripinaa for Slug sniping

[daring sage]

i am back to before the patch

[slow spade]

I use double barrel

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rael-gif-943215023730044045

[green willow]

me but diamantine

[slow spade]

You can scrap items for resources now

[placid portal]

my small hoard of 20k plasteel

[placid portal]

hardly any scrap no?

[slow spade]

Compared to the dockets only before? Its infinitely better

[placid portal]

fair

[daring sage]

i sacrificed and scrapped everything i had to max out all weapons lol

[wet ether]

Can I be honest about something some of vets talents need a massive rework like comp urge for example

[slow spade]

Rip

[green willow]

maybe someday we could have a plasteel diamantine exchange

[wet ether]

Or at least buff the proc rate for that talent

[slow spade]

I mean its not like its bad but its just other talents are better for when you get it

If it was higher up, it'd likely be better received

[wild summit]

there a reason why mk6 dagger is better than mk3?

[wet ether]

Truth

[slow spade]

Especially because its competing with 10% rending and 15% ogryn damage

[placid portal]

thought it was 20% Monster/Og

[slow spade]

Replace the 25% suppression node with competitive Urge

[slow spade]

Something like that

Either way, competitive urge is cooked

[wet ether]

Please and thank you

[placid portal]

Made my Heavy hellbore 2 shot crusher w/o Volley but marksman stacks

[wet ether]

I mean I love comp urge

But just wish it was buffed

Cause the proc rate is to low

10% wouldn’t be to much to ask

[green willow]

my beloved

it crits SO MUCH

I never see anyone using the 3 burst vigilant

[slow spade]

Indeed, such is life though

2.5% -> 25% ez fix 😎

Hire me for balancing

[daring sage]

is orange a crit or headhsot

[green willow]

does infantry autogun have headhunter blessing

[slow spade]

Crits iirc

[slow spade]

Sadly no iirc

[wet ether]

Nay fairly sure

[slow spade]

Oh the infanrry ones

Nope D:

[green willow]

would be even more busted if yes

mk3 columnus vigilant is best

[wet ether]

That be way to overpowered

[daring sage]

i use the vraks because i cant aim

[slow spade]

250%

[green willow]

y aim if you spit lead fast

[wet ether]

Ok now ya just trolling

[slow spade]

But am I wrong?

[green willow]

is the ranged specialist that replenishes your magazine ever worth it

[slow spade]

It rounds up

stares at double barrel and revolver

[green willow]

oooooh

not good for big mags tho right

[slow spade]

Not as good but still useful

Like plasma has a 9 sec reload compared to just swapping every so often while meleeing

[hollow ibex]

Plasma actual reload time is much shorter with animation cancel

Not really worth using with weapon spec imo

[slow spade]

100% crit plasma is funny

[slow spade]

Compared to just swapping?

Saves a lot of time

[hollow ibex]

Gonna need to swap like 30 times to get a full reload lmao

But go for it my dude

[slow spade]

As if you ever fully deplete

Be for real

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think it’s worth it expect on guns with really small mags but whatever works

Weapon spec is good either way

[tawdry jackal]

@tall torrent what are your thoughts on rending strike for boltgun, shredder grenades, etc

trying to understand the value of bleed more since i'm running it as you suggested (puncture blessing)

[restive rock]

The loose cannon in question

[daring sage]

i wish the mark iv helbore had a stab

[tawdry jackal]

my experience is that the weapon specialist keystone that reloads your active gun in between melees ensures that you never really need to reload the plasma gun fully. Its not about a full reload, its always about having enough rounds to do the job, at any time

[hollow ibex]

i mean plasma already has incredible uptime even without the need to go for weapon spec or spend an extra talent point grabbing the top-off perk

is it nice to have? sure

is it meta for plasma? no

[tawdry jackal]

yeah its definitely a QoL thing

all im trying to say is I reloaded maybe once or twice a match, if that, with that running and doing serious melee work in between

[tawdry jackal]

theres also this fact

[dreamy spade]

Shred is super useful for infernus

It's an extra 20% crit chance on your first few shots

Which allows for the infernus stacks to apply quick

[hollow phoenix]

What’s the best gun for a shot caller squad leader? IE an asshole that sits in the middle and spam pings targets

[hollow ibex]

another thing is that melee spec only procs if you actually kill something with your ranged weapon upon swap

[placid portal]

plasma

[hollow ibex]

so if you want the sweet melee bonuses with weapon spec, you'll need to fire plasma

so you're not gaining much in terms of ammo back to the mag

[hollow phoenix]

I never see that one in Brunt’s stuff, I’d need to buy a…. eugh, fresh one

[placid portal]

melk gacha

[hollow phoenix]

I forget that dumbass exists

Lmao

[placid portal]

Hallowette do be right

Yawning Feeling, Feeling tired, or Murderous rage?
Must be Melk nearby

[daring sage]

what blessings should i take on a hellbore

surgical and?

[placid portal]

Weight over fire is pretty much a must for Heavy Helbor

[daring sage]

i use the medium one

[placid portal]

Still good

Other blessings are.... meh

can't say much about armourbane but not much to say

Flak Maniac is normal Blessing setup but If you use Mk4 I personally like going anti crusher with carapace + elites

[daring sage]

i have to say they are growing on me a lot

yeah i got those

flak+maniac that is

[placid portal]

mash bayonet to win

[wild summit]

i will never understand zealots

they always feel like the dumbest of the group without fail

either spewing nonsense or dying first

meanwhile the ones on discord seem to be the ones that do not come straight out of twitter

[inland orchid]

Zealotry is a mixed bag like many in this beautiful lineup of rejects we got, sometimes you get ones that think speedrunning maps is a requirement

Then u got one that’ll relic on you while you’re down to give the team time to get u up

[wild summit]

others feel like they made talking bullshit their discipline

like for real, i have never seen any class talk as much pure misinformation or bs as the people playing zealots

and thats not just stereotyping, that is my honest to god experience

vets just tend to be insufferable sweats at worst

that and vets that think they know the game well enough to take a whole shooter horde on themselves only to get hit by a trapper seconds later

[steady ibex]

What are the best blessings on Power Sword to level?

I'm guessing Slaughterer and Power Cycler?

[severe gale]

confirmation bias yummers

[pseudo fiber]

Power cycler brutal momentum

[severe gale]

the most consistently incorrect players imo tend to be ogryns and vet

[wild summit]

nah ogryns to me are always great peeps

[severe gale]

ogryns are either

cool people

or the most toxic

[wild summit]

and idk what about my statement is confirmation bias tbf

[severe gale]

the most toxic players i see are ogryn too

[severe gale]

you likely tend to notice zealots being incorrect more often due to a preexisting notion of zealots being toxic and spreading misinformation

[inland orchid]

I can vouch for the toxic side, got ledged by a horde one time and both the ogryn and his vet buddy left me hanging cuz they didn’t like me LARPing

was only the standard issue zel yap too so idk how they got that annoyed by it

[severe gale]

yeah

[wild summit]

nope not really

[severe gale]

well, is the based on pubs or

[wild summit]

i am a rather neutral positioned person

[severe gale]

on discord

or reddit, or forums

what frame of reference r u using

[wild summit]

as said, discord zealots seem chill to me 99% of the time

[severe gale]

ah

[wild summit]

so yeah

pubs

[severe gale]

pubs are just wrong 99% of the time anyway

epic_cole, any time he tries to give advice to pubs

they always tend to be stubborn and set in their own ways

[pseudo fiber]

I feel zealot chats nice. Tbf they're all nice they just don't like wrong information there

[wild summit]

as said discord zealots are good

[severe gale]

yah most of zealot chat regulars (there’s a couple exceptions) are really chill, some only get mad when there’s someone being confidently incorrect and not listening

[severe gale]

i’ve just given up on pubs

i’ll laugh at their builds

[pseudo fiber]

Dorn bless

[severe gale]

but giving advice to them is a futile endeavor

[severe gale]

yeah lmfao

[daring sage]

i prefer a bad build pub to a bad playing one

[severe gale]

in b4 dorn grubs tell him he was mentioned

[pseudo fiber]

I don't give advice in pubs I just do double or triple their damage and leave

[severe gale]

i run bad builds for fun, but i’m good enough to actually use them lol

cica and i ran a shitty crit evis book

[pseudo fiber]

I don't dislike dorn I'm just saying he can be a bit of an ass sometimes.
Sometimes it's justified though

[severe gale]

and still out damaged a knife zealot

[severe gale]

yah agreed

he gets very argumentative

he’s very stubborn

i’ve told him this too lol

[pseudo fiber]

I try to give out good advise here

[frank ether]

I play ogy when I'm either drunk or half asleep

[severe gale]

i play ogryn never

ogryn stinky

[frank ether]

I put the bully club and then turn my eyes off

[indigo lark]

does choosing voice of command completely get rid of volley fire? asking because of the find your targets penance

[grand perch]

so...close...i can taste the godroll

[pseudo fiber]

Ges

[indigo lark]

i assume this means "yes" lol

[pseudo fiber]

Yes sorry yeah ahhaah

Yes VoC removes volley fire

Executioners stance is the version you want

[indigo lark]

ok so i need to either unskill and suck, or take ES

[soft hound]

ES is an upgraded version of volley fire

[daring sage]

i am at the point where my vet, ogryn and psyker are probabaly not good enough to do super well in auric but damnation is harder because i need to carry negative iq people all the time

it would be nice if you could trust people to like

shoot things

and not die in hordes

[soft hound]

I feel that. It's always a dice roll when I run Ogryn if my team has anything approaching adequate tools to deal with shooters. I can handle a few with the old ripper, but sometimes it's just like... Vet ffs please stand in my melee bubble and shoot this fucking gunner.

[daring sage]

a lot of time they do but just ignore it lol

[soft hound]

That's why my go-to vet is always a lasgun head popper XD

Or watching a fuckin psyker dump four or five mags of recon lass nto a poxxer horde when I'm RIGHT THERE WITH MY PICK

[pseudo fiber]

To bring this back up.

My opinion of pubs went down after the unlocked and loaded update.

Pre update you got shitty weapons it's like sure whatever like you lost Hadrons gamble shit sucks.
Post update its like you're using bad weapons on purpose.

[wild summit]

had a bunch of randos just meta game by quitting and rejoining when they went down

jesus christ i cringed

[soft hound]

Sometimes. Sometimes you just don't have all the stuff unlocked yet.

I definitely can see someone without a bajilion hours returning for the first time and dusting off their old 430 ascendent shovel with +2% crit chance and garbage perks because they don't know how the system works and can't get anything better.

[wild summit]

honestly leaving more than once to rejoin should just straight up deny you a % of resources

[soft hound]

Also the system is much better, but it's still got some nuance that you have to learn by interacting with the community and testing, and that takes effort.

[wild summit]

if you die, just take the L honestly

[soft hound]

Eh, it's kind of one of those cases of "is squashing the bad actors that only really harm their experience worth the cost in frustration"

[wild summit]

affects also my experience

and everyone elses

if it was just their experience, i couldnt care less

[soft hound]

Worse than getting your efforts halfed because you crashed twice?

[wild summit]

something has to come in place to fix that though, i get you having a bad connection and stuff, but that was clear as day NOT that

it was basically clockwork

dies: insta dc > reconnects when rezzed or situation stabilized

[soft hound]

Maybe an 'abandon match' style system, where exiting from menu permanently bans you from that game instance?
Won't stop alt + F4

But maybe it can help

[kindred creek]

Yea I ran into a duo that was doing this. They even talked about it in the match VC. One would go down and leave, then instantly reconnect

Basically impossible to lose a match and makes it incredibly annoying when you’re having to wait for the guy to reconnect over and over

[soft hound]

What are they trying to get out of it?

[kindred creek]

They literally suck at the game

[wild summit]

yeah whatever it is, i dont want innocent parties to get punished. Maybe just make a disconnected count as dead, idk but that then would let very bad actors troll games

[kindred creek]

So they are trying to get a win on a difficulty they aren’t ready for

[wild summit]

they can not take an L

[soft hound]

Does disconnecting while down revive the character?

[kindred creek]

Yes

It replaces them with a living bot. And if they reconnect they are alive

[wild summit]

also makes your team have one body back

[soft hound]

That feels like that should be an easy fix.

[somber axle]

I mean the system to avoid leavers already exists. You can add them to a block list and you will not match with them again

[wild summit]

idk if that doesnt work cause they dc'd but i can not find them in the "previous missions" tab

[kindred creek]

You shouldn’t have to do this though.

[somber axle]

They've always appeared in the previous missions thing for me so idk what's going on there

[somber axle]

Yeah but if it bothers someone enough there's already a solution to the problem

If people block leavers then leavers will naturally only ever get matched with other leavers

[wild summit]

also its stupid you can not block people that are offline, like ?

[kindred creek]

It's really not a solution. Blocking someone after they've already made the game less fun to play doesn't solve that my match was made less fun to play.

[wild summit]

like i can do some fucked up trolling, then later after it i goes offline so i can avoid you blocking me

[somber axle]

It means you will not find them again in future games. You could also kick them

[wild summit]

it is so dumb!

[inland orchid]

Is why I enjoy there’s a report system on this discord for that exact issue, I only wish it was a little more seemless so more deserving lads can get their just deserts

[somber axle]

Giving them a penalty on resources for disconnecting would also hurt people with poor connections and tbh Darktide isn't a big gaming community, especially at each region's Auric level missions so you see a lot of repeat names

If you don't like the repeat names just don't play with them

[kindred creek]

Yet I've already had my experience made worse. Blocking them after the fact doesn't change that. It simply shouldn't be something you can even do. Make the bot spawn dead if you disconnect while downed.

[wild summit]

meanwhile people going offline to avoid you blocking them

[somber axle]

Idk what solution you're hoping for. Time travel would be a fun way. I will call the space marines and they will arrive 5,000 years prior to the Atoma invasion confused and way too early to assist

[kindred creek]

"Make the bot spawn dead if you disconnect while downed."