veteran-class

[muted rapids]

[tough tiger]

i am the soldier from TF2

[quaint plover]

did i cook?

maybe

[tough tiger]

block efficiency?

why

[muted rapids]

I was gonna say

blocking

[tough tiger]

block is what u run on curios

not weapons

[frank basin]

If is 30% it would be useful

[quaint plover]

i meant the blessings

[frank basin]

Or not

[quaint plover]

fuck the other stuff

[frank basin]

Power cycler and sunder are good

It help deal elite horde

Like maulers

[quaint plover]

its mad fun

[frank basin]

Lol yeah

Except I use power cycler and thurst

[quaint plover]

i was thinking about using thrust

[muted rapids]

Yeah Dumdum and Fire frenzy slaps

the "close range" is like 50 feet

dum dum is a long range perk

[frank basin]

13 meter

Is that 50 feet?

[muted rapids]

O wait

it doesn't require close range at all

Fire frenzy does

dumdum just GIVES you close range damage

[floral hearth]

needing to convert to freedom units kekw

[muted rapids]

i see

[muted rapids]

idk i was exaggerating anyway

[frank basin]

7.5m close for fire frenzy, Death spitter, speedloader

Yeah it suck for bit

I remember I had speedloader on my graia braced

Did alright

Now i can swap to different blessing

[ocean rock]

Only 7.5m? I thought close range was buffed up to 14m in a patch a month ago

[tall torrent]

With redirect fire/fire team:
Unarmored: Dreg gunner 1HS, Dreg Tox bomber 1 bodyshot
Elite: Dreg gunner 1HS (with superiority complex), both shotgunner 1 bodyshot (with superiority complex)
Flak: both shotgunner 1 bodyshot, scab rager 2 bodyshot, scab mauler occasional 2 bodyshot
Maniac: both flamers 1 bodyshot, Dreg rager 1 headshot

[tall torrent]

Close range is 12.5m

[tall torrent]

This is just not true

[frank basin]

Yeah I dont remember accurately

[ocean rock]

Yeah that, I overestimated a bit.

[junior grail]

Is double barrel shotgun viable on Vet for Auric+?

[meager topaz]

What talent was it again that gives you ammo when you kill something?

[tame lodge]

Yes
Specially because you get lots of targets to proc Weapon Specialist

[tame lodge]

Always Prepared from Weapon Specialist

Or do you mean Survivalist?

It's an aura

[meager topaz]

I mean you have 0 ammo and you kill something and it just gives you ammo out thin air

try to do the penance where you need 0 ammo and 90% accuracy

[junior grail]

Was having issues of the shotty not killing elites

[junior grail]

Yea the aura, change it to dmg or movement speed

[meager topaz]

ok ty

[hearty panther]

longshot should really get a new keyword

[sleek garden]

I use block on power sword because of the dodges

If I try and use it more I'll use stamina curios as well

[left patrol]

anyone have guesses as to why my plasma is so chunky?
It's normal in the inspect screen and the pskyanium, but in missions regardless of skin it has this really gross low poly model. and only the plasma gun, too

[frank basin]

Weapon in 40k always chunky

[meager topaz]

1 more penance to go

[frank basin]

Are you playing low quality and high performance base setting?

[meager topaz]

any advice on overwatch?

the penance I mean

[frank basin]

I remember just try play hard as you can and if there ogryn can assist you

On heresy make forgiving

Pray for that

[meager topaz]

Ill try it on low intense malice then

wish me luck

[left patrol]

I am on default low settings but its odd that this is the only weapon that has this problem? and only in missions...

[frank basin]

Good luck

[frank basin]

Yeah I see the plasma coil is rugged up

Is like rendering still in process

[left patrol]

for me i literally just blocked anytime i wasnt actively shooting. also voice of command to constantly have extra toughness in case of a snarky jab from behind

[junior grail]

Mmm looks like melting ice cream

[left patrol]

right?? so odd

[left patrol]

yummbyyy

[frank basin]

Eating plasma gun ASMR

[meager topaz]

wait as long as it doesnt hit your HP

its ok?

[frank basin]

Yeah

I done that maximum sweat I can

[meager topaz]

Ill try stealth build first

[left patrol]

yummb....

[left patrol]

correct

[frank basin]

Lick it

[meager topaz]

then if it doesnt work Ill try voice

[left patrol]

good luck man

ive been here since pretty shortly after launch and i only got it last week

i am very bad at the game

[frank basin]

Is called rusty

Happened to my friend

[left patrol]

😔

[meager topaz]

does getting hit by a pox burster count it as a loss

doing the penance?

[iron marten]

As long as you don’t lose hp!

You’ll be fine for the penance

[meager topaz]

I did it doing low intense train mission

Now going to do the last one which is the most annoying one the zealot

[trim steppe]

Man people are v bad at train mission

Just campin around train cars like we aint on a timer

[atomic zephyr]

to be fair the entire rest of the game promotes that

[cold berry]

I think a lot of it has to do with people being on auto-pilot,
and also this is a new-ish game mode for Darktide.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall timers like this

[atomic zephyr]

it is the first timed mission in a game that otherwise rewards moderate but steady progress

[cold berry]

I get a lot of

"wait, really?! this is on a real timer?"
"yes, really"

[placid portal]

More reason to run infiltrate Trench raider vets

[trim steppe]

And it is not a very generous timer either

[cold berry]

after 3 attempts, I managed do it on Auric Damnation HISTG on 4th attempt,
but the run wasn't smooth.
I had a Recon Lasgun + Infiltrate build,
Most of the game was 3 party members, and I had about 2 or 3 total players rage quitting from 'being left behind'

Two chadgryns joined at the same time JUST before the main boss fight

so they joined after the psykers (smite) rage quit

[placid portal]

Enough time to say if you get set on a back foot you are quite fucked

[placid portal]

Can't believe the Empra would bless the run with Ogryns

[trim steppe]

Special deployment ogryns lol you love to see it

[frail hornet]

been enjoying reacon lasgun but i feel like i need a change of pace, but not quite boltor/snub change of pace, any suggestions?

[trim steppe]

do one of the autoguns for that rapidfire feel but with bullets

vraks infantry or agripinna braced are

[frail hornet]

nifty

[woven oak]

I think it's 10 minutes

It's definitely tight if you dawdle. I had a pretty good team today that kept moving and stayed together. It was amazing

[buoyant knoll]

is finese an important stat for chainsword? Or it doesnt really matter?

[woven oak]

Finesse is important on all weapons that have it

It increases your attack speed, critical damage, and weakspot damage

[placid shoal]

Attack speed to really?

[tall torrent]

Only the “finesse” stat on weapons improves atk speed

[placid shoal]

That's crazy I didn't know that part. Ya if available easily the most important Stat on a weapon

[tall torrent]

On some weapons it’s not the most important stat

But since there’s only 1 dump stat for most weapons, u should aim for 80%

[fathom turret]

What do you guys consider to be the best 3 guns to use on veteran?

[woven oak]

The three that make you happiest

[placid shoal]

I'm assuming that would change per build, vets got a lot of good options

[woven oak]

But in my opinion, Zarona revolver, Bolt Pistol, and Columnus IAG

[tall torrent]

Revolver, mk5 infantry autogun, recon lasgun 12 / 14 (preference)

[fathom turret]

Well I'm just getting them to 30 and want a reliable gun. There's so many options to choose from.

[woven oak]

I should build a recon lasgun at some point.

[placid shoal]

Like I wouldn't run lasgun on shout of command

[tall torrent]

Start with infantry autogun then

Super simple to build, workhorse weapon

Doesn’t need many talents to perform well

[placid shoal]

That would make
Ke sense

I wanna try a dot lasgun build, looks fun

[woven oak]

Eh. I have success running any weapon with VoC. Optimal? Certainly not. But it works.

[frank monolith]

Revolver db plasma are the ones i like

[placid shoal]

Just seems like lasgun is something better built into is all I'm saying

[woven oak]

You're probably right

[woven oak]

You prefer your guns to be delete buttons, then?

[frank monolith]

yes

[woven oak]

Can't argue with that

[placid shoal]

Bolt pistol is pretty plug and play

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is really point-intensive to build for breakpoints

[real sorrel]

is there any valid reason for running movespeed aura other than "we have 3 veterans in the party" or speedrunning maps?

[shadow dagger]

theres always the classic 'i literally have no points left to spend because i want so many of the lower tree vet stuff'

[serene bough]

Extra movement never goes amiss imo

[junior grail]

It should be 5%movement and attack speed

[real sorrel]

oh does it have attack speed i cant remember

[junior grail]

No don't think so

[real sorrel]

wait your saying it SHOULD be

that would be fun

[real sorrel]

i just feel the ammo scav is too good and the +dmg ranks higher than the +movespeed cause it all helps with da killin

[junior grail]

Yea need more incentive for other aurad

Like the damage aura, could be power instead

[serene bough]

I guess 5% alone isn't anything to write home about but stacking buffs lik3aura + 5% node + stealth + mobility weapon would be more noticable

But I wouldn't go out of my way to get it, usually I stick with ammo or damage like you mentioned

[junior grail]

Perhaps if it was 5%damage but stacking up to 3 stacks as long as in Coherency?

Quickly lose stacks away

[serene bough]

In truth ammo scav is just too useful of an aura

Its far more balanced now but team wide ammo regen is going to be a difficult aura to compete with

[junior grail]

Even if its nerfed to be just for the Vet, I'd still take it

Guns are just too strong

...in a good way

[shadow dagger]

just make survivalist spawn a small ammo pack on the vets back when a threshold is reached instead of immediately distributing a handful of ammo to everyone in coherency

and force the vet to go through an animation if he wants to claim it himself

surely this wont encourage rat playstyles where the vet runs off every time he sees his ammo counter is almost full

[junior grail]

Oooh like Bardin

Almost as if they could have learned from past games but oh well

[serene bough]

Tbh I lean left on the tree more due to shredder frags as opposed to survivalist

Shredders are too good in many situations and it makes traveling to the right less appealing

[junior grail]

I'm now only running smokes to get them cosmetics

[tall torrent]

Best pathing nodes

[tall torrent]

Survivalist is not necessary on most builds

[real sorrel]

teammates tho

[real sorrel]

yeah fair, this might be the first legit reason ive heard

[tall torrent]

There’re like 3 non-veteran builds that actually care about ammo

[real sorrel]

yeah but ive been saved before by getting 1 shot back on rumbler ogryn, or like a few ammo for revolver. never been saved before by having 5% movespeed

[tall torrent]

In the same patch where survivalist got nerfed, they improved ammo spawn rate by ~20%

You just have to learn to loot efficiently

[native quartz]

and hope teammates dont ignore ammo pickup pings

[real sorrel]

im not saying scav is the end all be all, but it does help more than +movespeed imo

[tall torrent]

It does, it’s just that most builds don’t care about it that much

[frank ether]

good pathing for your build and hitting breakpoints matters far more than some free ammo

chances are you will have enough ammo anyway unless you have 4 players who are all guzzling ammo and doing no damage with it

I guess if you wanna enable teammates I can see the value? Its great for iag gunpsyker I get to shoot all day

[frank monolith]

If everyone shares everything you have enough ammo with ammo packs + random ammo

If one person hogs it then it will be 1 white 3 orange

[real sorrel]

what breakpoints can you hit with the +5%?

[real sorrel]

yeah i get off on helping teammates so thats the main reason i run it. same as the med/ammocrate talents c:

[frank ether]

What does more ammo do for you if you've never run in the red?

[real sorrel]

accuracy through volume, just dumpstering ammo into anything that isnt a poxwalker, lets me laser focus elites / bosses when needed or i can ease off and go melee

works for me

[frank ether]

funnily enough its a lot better for shooting every once in a while now

since its on a cd

[real sorrel]

1/s right?

[frank ether]

but at the end of the day having efficient pathing for what bps and talents u want to reach is number one goal

that %5 dmg is not much on its own

[frank ether]

I'm not exactly sure on that but probably

I dont really think it has that much value when lets say I'm playing executioner boltgun and just magdump at a shotgun patrol deleting them instantly

but the real value is I reached exe without tax talent and I got shredders while at it too

like if fatshark went ahead and put speed aura there on top of it, I'm not gonna go out of my way to get survivalist like I maybe would pre-nerf

I still wish we could just choose grenades regardless of talent tree but o well

[real sorrel]

yeah cheers for your insight mate, glad to hear from other players so im not stuck in my own head

[frank ether]

I've been there for very long where I kept forcing myself to run surv if not for myself then others so I feel you

pre-nerf there would even be ppl who would like call you a troll for not running it

[real sorrel]

i have a friend who has 2 identical setups for his exe stance so he can just swap from +dmg or +ammo depending on what other vet in team is running lmao

[frank ether]

I used to do that kinda just make builds around what I want to larp as these days

also speed aura can be nice sometimes don't sleep on the right path, smokes are useless but rest of that tree is very OP

[grand perch]

Smokes useless

Never have I been hurt so much in my DT life

[real sorrel]

smokes are aiight but they are boring as fuck

[frank monolith]

Smoke not unless, it can be handy in situations but outside from that ill take krak to kill balwarks

[austere mica]

Smokes are my favorite

[real sorrel]

i just enjoy kraks for the thematic nuking of enemies with anti tank nades and then also double shred nades for wiping hordes + saving teammates if it gets hairy

[frank ether]

Its just hard to compete with boss/armor nuke or map deletion every 2/3 minutes

[austere mica]

Kraks are too rare to be terribly useful and I don’t like using shredders

Shredders also happen to be on the wrong side of the tree for me to use them

[frank monolith]

Like i said it can be useful and a life saver at certain situations outside from that im taking kraks to kill balwarks

[frank ether]

kraks are nice when 2 morbillion bulwarks decide to corner you on a shady dark alleyway

[jolly hemlock]

Or thin out a horde of crusher on auric diff

[real sorrel]

what do you use smokes for, i wanna use them more when i play wep spec meme build. teach me your ways

i used them to do the smoke penance and ignored them otherwise

[frank ether]

yeah whatever remains you can just single out afterwards anyway

[grand perch]

You throw smokes down every time there's lots of gunners and/or lots of specials. It messes with the targeting of gunners, snipers, hounds, most notably trappers and more. So trappers, for example, have to run into the smoke and then reacquire their targets, instead of just running up and pulling you through the horde

Only bombers don't care basically

[frank monolith]

Mind control

[fathom turret]

What's the best weapon to try and go for 20 headshots in a row? Infantry Lasgun or Vigilant Autogun?

[junior grail]

If only smoke reduces fire duration or even puts them out

[junior grail]

Laspistol

Hmm plasma is good too if it pierces a bunch

[grand perch]

Yeah I had the same idea back when they sucked much more. Would still be a fine addition

[green willow]

Which does more dps, the blue braced or the blue infantry? (I forgot their mark numbers)

[real flicker]

Psyker brain burst

[austere mica]

Mk5 infantry, and by a lot

[green willow]

what does the braced have over it

how does the vigilant's Falter blessing work

[austere mica]

Falter is absolutely terrible

It makes enemies less resistant to stagger on a weapon where you never want to stagger anything

[real sorrel]

shotguns lmao

[green willow]

I don't think it's proccing tbh

[real sorrel]

im a fan of the braced autoguns cause i like playing fast skirmisher type vet sometimes. with the right +dmg and blessings you just stack damage on getting kills then melt mixed hordes and all the zerkers within it

[austere mica]

Oh it’s procing, it’s just absolutely useless to the point where it’s an active detriment

[green willow]

what about no respite?

[austere mica]

You want Surgical/headhunter and Deadly accurate

[green willow]

I'm running the columnus mk3

had crucian on it

[austere mica]

Doesn’t really matter between marks, consistent crits and deadly accurate is better than anything else available

[dry cloak]

Theb try running agrip vigilant rifle. Its better imo

[green willow]

i like the 3 burst

[dry cloak]

Fair

[green willow]

ok, headhunter is nuts

especially with the 3 burst

[wet ether]

oooooo you know whats a weapon i havent used in a long time

[real sorrel]

thunderhammer

[wet ether]

the shredder autopistol

[native quartz]

whats the recommended perks on recon lasgun, running maniacs and crit rn (for infernus)

[austere mica]

Don’t

Please

For your own good

[wet ether]

why not

[real sorrel]

get back in zealot chat who let you out

[austere mica]

I lurk everywhere

[dry cloak]

I like to play with shredder. Is ny main rannged weapon on vet

[austere mica]

I am just more a qualified to talk about vet and zealot compared to psyker and ogryn

[wet ether]

ok dump stat on shredder is mobility correct?

[real sorrel]

personal pref, the +dmg and +reload speed on close kills is dope, i also run +weakspot and crit dmg but im just a big numbers kind of dude half the time. use unyielding / flak if you wanna delete all gunners/reapers/bosses

[austere mica]

Do not the weakspot crit damage

Please

The damage calculations are utter shit

[real sorrel]

but its funny

[austere mica]

Being useless is occasionally funny, yes

[dire olive]

I love my 1% damage increase

TBF on recons it's probably worse

[austere mica]

It’s a 1.6 for headshots and less for crits

So that’s 6% damage

Wooo hoooooo

[wet ether]

wait a minute dont you belong in the zealot chat?

who let you out

[austere mica]

I have already answered this question

[wooden moat]

please go back

[austere mica]

What is it with the zealot chat prejudice though, I know we deserve it but like

To our faces?

Really?

[wooden moat]

every co-op game’s gotta have that one class everyone clowns on

[dry cloak]

because zealot chat is jsut anime girls from my experience

[wet ether]

pinning fire and blaze away are the blessings i shall use on the auto pistol

[dry cloak]

and knife zelots that go down in a instant

[austere mica]

I am an actually good knife zealot

[dry cloak]

powder burn and speed load

[austere mica]

But I am captivated by tac axe at the moment

[wet ether]

i just wanna goof around and see how well the auto pistol does

[austere mica]

It doesn’t

[native quartz]

i dont like single target melees much

i crave the CLEAVE

[austere mica]

Single target melees tend to be a bit more fun

Nevermind

Good versatile stuff is where it’s at after thinking for more than a second

[native quartz]

some of them definitely seem more unique

[austere mica]

Dclaw, heavy sword, tac axe

All very fun

[native quartz]

but i just love tossing wrath on anything with a vanguard light and just creating red mist

[austere mica]

Savage sweep tend to be better in my experience

More consistent

Missing and losing all your stacks sucks

[odd sparrow]

Yeah

[native quartz]

i havent really used savage sweep

[odd sparrow]

Hate losing stacks especially with high swing speed

[native quartz]

how often does it usually proc?

[austere mica]

Whenever you actually need any cleave

It’s hitting 3 enemies

[native quartz]

i shall give it a try

[wet ether]

@austere micai see why you told me not to use the auto pistol lol

[austere mica]

Yeah

It’s because it is possibly

The worst

Gun in the entire game

[wet ether]

i mean was able to kill a mauler in 1 mag

[austere mica]

Frankly impressive

[wet ether]

even the worst can be made viable

[real sorrel]

tac axe +bolt pistol is my fav wep specialist build rn, that or hacker shotty

[real sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-no-no-not-this-time-wag-finger-gif-15740192

[green willow]

how to use the shock maul

[dire olive]

Bonk

[real sorrel]

wack wack zap wack wack

[wet ether]

fire frenzy or deathspitter?

[green willow]

not zap zap zap?

[real sorrel]

boffum

[real sorrel]

the special attack is good for interupting flamers/ gunners / ragers when you need it but i honestly just dont like the attack patterns enough to use it rn.

[green willow]

could it weaken tanks

[real sorrel]

it has a really good setup with Taser special > overhead heavy so you can stack Thrust on it and do some good damage

[wet ether]

oi fire frenzy or deathspitter on the infantry autogun?

[real sorrel]

but other than that i havnt looked into it enough to know

[real sorrel]

BOFFUM

[wet ether]

can i get a fucking translation please

[dire olive]

BOFFUFFUM

[real sorrel]

use both cause damage is delicious. stacking damage on kills is nice. dumdum is also very good with fire frenzy cause you rip thru crowds

i also dont hate speedload but thats a personal pref thing

[wet ether]

fucking fire frenzy it is

[native quartz]

update savage sweep working as advertised

we ball

[austere mica]

Savage sweep is only 200% cleave compared to 250% but is infinitely more reliable

[frank ether]

I've been dumping it for shred

cause its funny

[green willow]

or would power sword be better with a cqc build

[magic trout]

Are any differences between catachan swords?
I have used all marks but i cant find any difference

[austere mica]

There is a pretty massive difference, at least between the mk1 and the others

It has no strikedowns

And therefore sucks

Mk7 has a clunkier moveset than the mk4 while having a similar effectiveness so most people use the mk4

[quasi pier]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3b9272-686d-4571-99ad-02c48ee6e74c/boltpistol-bananza

[magic trout]

What this mean?

[austere mica]

No attacks that come from the top 90 degrees of screen

They usually have way better single target damage profiles

[stoic thorn]

How tf do you get more talent points after lvl30

[native quartz]

you dont

[magic trout]

You dont

[austere mica]

The mk1 has nothing of the sort and is worse at clear than most weapons and is thus pretty useless

The mk4 and mk7 have actually good singletarget attacks in their move sets making them usable

[magic trout]

Easy to weakspot

[austere mica]

Did you think you could have the whole tree?

[stoic thorn]

What

[magic trout]

You dont get more points after lvl 30.

[austere mica]

30 points is very good balance wise

Makes you have to actually consider taking this over that a lot of the time

[magic trout]

At least we got the new skill trees.
I hated that in Vermintide all classes only have like 1 or 2 builds for cataclysm mostly because some perks were useless or not worth it

[midnight mortar]

It's called a talent "build" because you have a limited amount of points to work with. 30 points.

[daring sage]

image having access to all 3 zealot key stones

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[native quartz]

ok i understand the duelling sword hype now holy shit

way more versatile than the chainsword i have been running for ages

[wet ether]

is it more versatile?

like what can the dueling sword do?

[daring sage]

what cant it do

[native quartz]

Very fast light attacks with good crowd control

[daring sage]

its decent vs hordes and insane vs carapace

[native quartz]

Very very strong stab heavy attack

[wet ether]

ok you've caught my attention even those my chainsword is still my baby

[native quartz]

Real

I love chainsword been running the mk13 for a long time

[daring sage]

i will keep shilling the standard shovel

dueling sword feels a bit too strong

[native quartz]

But trying to push up into aurics i have had trouble with stronger things mixed into hordes and relying too much on mag dumping certain enemies like maulers

[wet ether]

i'll stick to my baby the chainsword

[native quartz]

Skill issue to get over yes but i tried a straight from the shop duelling sword and it helped me hold my own a bit which was nice

[daring sage]

with a vet i would either run a weapon that could deal with

[final hamlet]

Rending and brittle, taking out those even on damnation with light attacks

[daring sage]

or use krak grenades or pray someone else could deal with it lol

[native quartz]

Currently been running an infernus/dumdum recon lasgun which has been pretty fun

Just learning to stop grabbing it and spraying as much

[daring sage]

ive been trying to use hellbore lasgun with

limited succes

[native quartz]

I havent messed with it yet, seems very geared towards anti armor/anything big

[primal dune]

Not a little, it's completely overboard

[native quartz]

Doesnt seem like the kinda thing for the ranged side of my playstyle

[daring sage]

if you ever want to 2 shot a crusher

and be able to horde clear

[pseudo fiber]

You can one-shot crushers

DS4 is way way way too strong

[wet ether]

tried the dualing sword not a huge fan

gonna go back to chainsword

[green willow]

shock maul vs powersword

[pseudo fiber]

Like overall

[green willow]

against hordes

[pseudo fiber]

Oh then power sword by far

[green willow]

shock maul is cool for stopping ragers though

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it is. Its also way more fun than the power sword.

[green willow]

what's the blessing that gives more stagger to your ranged

how does that work

[pseudo fiber]

Falter?

It just applies to the shock maul I believe.

The reason it's worded that way is because Falter is also on ranged weapons

[green willow]

is it good on it

[pseudo fiber]

No really

[wet ether]

you know the only enemy i struggle against is?

[pseudo fiber]

Damage is king usually and shock maul has 3 good damage boosting blessings
Skullcrusher
High voltage
And Lightning reflexes
You can mix and match those three and see success

[green willow]

high voltage is nuts

does the maul at least 1 shot chaff

[wet ether]

Fucking crushers is the only enemy I struggle against

[pseudo fiber]

I think it 2 shots them

[pseudo fiber]

Just make sure your dodges have refreshed before engaging

[primal dune]

I feel like the shock maul loses the swing combo somtimes

Its the only weapon that i feel that with

[wet ether]

Ehh 🤷🏻 I do have my dodges ready normally

Just wish we had more dodges to work with

[pseudo fiber]

Agile blessing

[wet ether]

Example if dodges were tied to mobility

[green willow]

did you try carapace damage increase

[tough tiger]

They are tho

[pseudo fiber]

Good news they are!

[hexed forge]

any tips for a new zealot?

[tough tiger]

Wrong chat

Lmao

[hexed forge]

was a vet but tried zealot and its been pretty rough so far idk why

oops haha

[green willow]

go for the crit eviscerator first

V fun

[hexed forge]

really want to do a thunder hammer centered build

[tough tiger]

This sounds like you've been relying too much o ranged weapons

[tough tiger]

Never start with that

[hexed forge]

no lo, i use the dueling sword mostly

[tough tiger]

Get good with easier stuff first

[wet ether]

Wrong chat number skull

[green willow]

yeah. pair your kit with a max reload double barrel if you have the emperors bullet

[hexed forge]

damn aight

my bad people started responding so i went with it

[wet ether]

Go to the zealot chat if you wanna discuss shop about zealots

[hexed forge]

oh shit i clicked the wrong chat XD

[pseudo fiber]

Have you got let thy wrath be swift, until death and holy revenant ?

[hexed forge]

my bad guys

[primal dune]

What do you die to? Ranged or melee enemies?

[pseudo fiber]

Zealot chat is currently drunk (which is in character) so I don't blame them for asking here

[hexed forge]

vet i dont really die to anything, i guess trappers mostly lol, on zealot its been ranged mostly that i get stun locked by

i dodge alot but my dodge slows down and i cant do it anymore?

[pseudo fiber]

Let thy wrath be swift

Get that talent it'll change your life

[primal dune]

You might be neglecting your gun too much

[pastel zealot]

whats the special attack on rashad combat axe good for?

[hexed forge]

just got it!

[pseudo fiber]

Staggering ragers

[pastel zealot]

oh no kidding?

[pseudo fiber]

It removes gunner stun (I should have mentioned that)

[hexed forge]

yea i could be, using a bolt pistol currently, so i try to save ammo for big guys

[hexed forge]

BET

[pseudo fiber]

You got lethal proximity on it?

Because lethal on Bolt pistol has huge supression

[hexed forge]

on my bolt pistol?

[pseudo fiber]

Yea

[hexed forge]

ok ill level it enough to get it

[primal dune]

The same way the vet has to pull out his sword, the zealot sometimes has to pull out his gun

Also gunner resist on curios

[hexed forge]

thanks guys, only issue now is that my dodge doesnt work as well as on my vet

it seems to slow down?

[pseudo fiber]

Probably tied to the weapon you're using

What do you usually use on Vet?

[primal dune]

Which melee weapon? Heavy sword?

[hexed forge]

if they stop stunning me i can handle them,

[hexed forge]

dueling sword, chainsword, and powersword

onmy zealot i have a tac axe

[pseudo fiber]

Well dueling sword has the best dodge in the game
Chainsword middle
Power sword one of the worst

Do a dueling sword zealot you'll feel true power

[hexed forge]

REALLLY want to use the thunderhammer lol

id just stick to my vet if i was to keep using duesling sword personally

[pseudo fiber]

What level are you?

[hexed forge]

vet 30, zealot 11

[pseudo fiber]

Thunder hammer greatly benefits from being level 30 imho

You can run it but it won't be doing funny damage yet

[hexed forge]

dang

[pseudo fiber]

Doesn't mean you can't use it

Obviously

[primal dune]

You'll be able to run at gunner packs with your melee once you get a second use of your charge

[hexed forge]

yea but it wont be good

[hexed forge]

on thunderhammer?

[primal dune]

On anything

[hexed forge]

and yea on auric maelstrom i watched a zealot solo a pack of ragers and gunners in like 12 seconds and knew that was the class i was going to play next 🤣

one of the funniest and coolest things ive seen since i started playing again

but thanks for the advice guys ill put it all to use, and sorry for doing the wrong channel haha, iclicked the wrong one

[pseudo fiber]

It's fine

[frank monolith]

Zealot is fun but once you learn the class give weapon spec vet a try

[hexed forge]

weapon spec vet?

[frank monolith]

Its a purple node at the bottom right of the tree

[hexed forge]

pretty sure i have it on already

[restive rock]

IVe tried weapon spec a few times, I can never really tell how much it’s helping though

[frank monolith]

Yes but once you learn the zealot playstyle, like being used to 95% melee only, thats when that talent shines since it allows you to turn the game into an action movie 👀

[wet ether]

Look what y’all are doing possibly turning this man into a possible try hard zealot

[frank monolith]

He might come to vet

Since thats what happened to me

[wet ether]

I’m still a vet main through and through

Just wish they buff some of vet talents

Like competitive urge

It doesn’t proc allot sadly

[sweet gale]

Hey guys, friend is on Vet, I never play Vet. Does anyone have a talent tree for recon lasgun/chain sword gameplay I can share with him?

[primal dune]

Voice of Command + Iron Will + Tactical Awareness + Survivalist will carry any veteran

Pick the rest of the perks according to your liking

[tame lodge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sweet gale]

Thank you

[regal belfry]

what best to sacrafice by helbore rifles

[slow spade]

Stability imo

Its not like you're mag dumping the thing

[slow spade]

2.5% -> 25% but now Dreg Ragers can cloak

[tame lodge]

Ragers become Lictor or whatever that one nid

[slow spade]

Lictor is correct

Fuck Lictors

[pure stream]

Just getting back into Darktide, all my veteran builds are dead 😭

I have a few saved on gameslantern at least

[slow spade]

To be fair, bolter is back on the menu

[flint lake]

Feels good man

[split sapphire]

So what can i use on shovel to maximise performance, perks and blessing wise

[pseudo fiber]

Flak maniac
Depending on the shovel mark
Mk1 uncanny decimator
Mk3 and 7 uncanny thrust

[verbal burrow]

As long as he does
Krak grenade
Krak damage buff
Damage aura
Unsanctioned Krak manufacturing (we cook jesse, we cook)
+5% dmg aura
Toughness shout with extra toughness,
Middle blitz,

And he is able to leverage his reading skills to spend the remaining talent points intelligently, veteran is actually pretty flexible

[pseudo fiber]

Iron will
Superiority complex

Easy dubs

[verbal burrow]

I will show you what I ran in Auric Maelstrom when I get home but once you get certain things it truly turns into freestyle

[tired trellis]

Is there a decent website or something where vets are sharing builds?

[verbal burrow]

Yes

Google darktide build editor and it will take you to games lantern

Leaving trsin brb

[pseudo fiber]

The builds there aren't great at times though

[verbal burrow]

Rolling steel shit rn

[tired trellis]

Well I mean like how the Ogryns hav the Ogrnomicon where they have some popular builds and go over all the skills, etc. and break down each part of the class

[slow spade]

Sadly the average player is only good enough for Malice yet queues for auric

[tired trellis]

Or a website where people post builds and explain why they use this or that talent or gun

[slow spade]

The problem is 2/3rds of every vet build is the same

Every good*

[tired trellis]

that's fine, I just want to learn the basics and start to learn

With out asking tons of questions here and annoying people with basic questions is my goal at least.

[slow spade]

The problem is a lot of experienced vets can't be bothered

Its just the same tree except for like the last 10 points

[molten hound]

All builds generally have like the same 20 ish points

[slow spade]

This picture was posted 11/23/2023 and its still mostly accurate

[molten hound]

This is an old tree

[slow spade]

If literally placed onto a vet today, it would have only like 1 genuinely bad pic

[slow spade]

Exactly the point

[molten hound]

Uhh...

[slow spade]

A good Vet build hasn't changed

[slow spade]

Read the convo above

[molten hound]

No you wouldnt take that many modifiers for focus target

[slow spade]

Again, read the convo above

[tired trellis]

so basically any build I make will be a "good build" so long as I put a little thougth into what I am doing?

[pseudo fiber]

The vet guide is also in the pinned

[molten hound]

Wtf lmfao

[slow spade]

Unironically, if you put all 30 points in the middle path. Your build will be better than most vets

[tired trellis]

https://onedrive.live.com/edit?id=E2A0A519389B2F30!sa7c48fc84c574f998848f62d41caaf9f&resid=E2A0A519389B2F30!sa7c48fc84c574f998848f62d41caaf9f&cid=e2a0a519389b2f30&ithint=file%2Cdocx&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3cvYy9lMmEwYTUxOTM4OWIyZjMwL0VjaVB4S2RYVEpsUGlFajJMVUhLcjU4QmJOX0xja01PQzRiYmEzcW5sTzhUSGc&migratedtospo=true&wdo=2 This?

[molten hound]

Just copy a build from tanner lindberg

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

Don't do that second one

[slow spade]

But yeah vet builds will basically be the same except for the last 10 points

Been like that for the last year or so

[tired trellis]

Why VOC over Executioners stance?

insta heal > DPS?

[pseudo fiber]

Yea

[slow spade]

Vet has no damage issues

[radiant chasm]

Ewww

[serene bough]

Most weapons don't need the direct damage buff of exec stance anymore after various buffs

[radiant chasm]

If exec doesn’t give you breakpoints/meaningful ttk it isn’t a dps gain, you are just overkilling more and losing out on melee dps

[slow spade]

It also leads to bad picks

As VoC gives grenade regen

[tired trellis]

What about the three bottom talents? Still middle is best overall due to DPS increase for the whole team vs. just for me?

[radiant chasm]

Overall team dps also doesn’t matter

[serene bough]

Keystones you mean?

Or auras

[tired trellis]

keystone

[radiant chasm]

No one builds around someone else’s build

[slow spade]

Middle keystone is because for a damage buff without much cost

[radiant chasm]

Also that tree is specifically not the best, it’s just really basic

[serene bough]

Well all keystones have their niche, if you're going for breakpoints or overall boss dps middle keystone is very useful

[woven oak]

Weapon Specialist if you use revolver or DB shotgun.

[slow spade]

I don't even remember why I made it lol

[woven oak]

Whatever the left keystone is called if you hate your knees

[tired trellis]

which tree?

[serene bough]

Weapon specialist is great for weapons with quickswap, and MF is just a straight damage boost

[slow spade]

I think it was some meme team support build

[slow spade]

The middle one

[serene bough]

Mf is admittedly weakest of the three imo

[molten hound]

?

[radiant chasm]

The one we are talking about and no not the middle one, the one posted

[slow spade]

Oh sorry :c

Didn't mean to confuse

[radiant chasm]

MF is hyperniche and high effort for it’s reward

[tired trellis]

So you don't like the middle tree, you like the right tree?

[radiant chasm]

#veteran-class message this is what we are talking about no?

[tired trellis]

well I was asking for a general build and that was one posted, but I wasn't specifically referring to that one with all my questions. I'm just trying to learn some of the basics of each tree

so far it seems like Executioner and the left tree bottom aren't good picks

with the bottom right tree being good for shottys and revolver

[serene bough]

Id argue this is the template for a general build

[radiant chasm]

Both other keystones are straightforward and reward normal gameplay without requiring you to be an crack addict cod player or a crab walking waste of oxygen

[serene bough]

Surv can be swapped with fire team + grenade damage

[radiant chasm]

This

[slow spade]

Yeah this is a build that won't go wrong

[tired trellis]

Is it worth picking up field improv?

[slow spade]

No one would fault you for that

[radiant chasm]

Sub out kraks/fire team as needed

[serene bough]

I think field improv should be taken

I always run field improv

[pseudo fiber]

Love field inprov

[serene bough]

Some people think its unnecessary so I left it out

[tired trellis]

so the short of it seems, my current build sucks 😄

[slow spade]

Field improv is good just sometimes other stuff needs the points

[slow spade]

Don't worry, inspect the average player in a lobby and you will see horror

[tired trellis]

between the two bolt guns is there one that is a clear winner? Both good, or better gun to use over them?

[serene bough]

Both feel pretty chunky and good to use, one had almost double the mag size and higher suppression over the other

The extra penetration really brought the weapon back to life

[tired trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[serene bough]

lols

[tired trellis]

What about the Plasma? if I make a build for the bolt gun, can I use the plasma in it's place?

[serene bough]

I havent played around much with the new bolt gun, and I haven't used plasma in a long time

[radiant chasm]

One is a boltgun and one is a bolt pistol so they are different drastically

[serene bough]

I think plasma uses weapon specialist / voc

[tame lodge]

Well boltgun likes Exec
Plasma not so much

[radiant chasm]

Boltgun is best used as a DMR, an actual cause for exec stance

[slow spade]

No because bolter has different needs

For example bolter takes 1.6sec to draw

While plasma takes like 0.2

[tired trellis]

So bolt gun/Boltor it makes sense for exec stance, but for plasma middle tree is where I'd go

[slow spade]

So bolter would get the top right path for the +25% swap speed

[slow spade]

Both can use middle but bolter would benefit from the instant swap speed of exec stance

[radiant chasm]

Bolt pistol is used as a discount revolver OR a grenade booster

Since lethal proximity blessing on bolt pistol works on nades

[slow spade]

Bolter would look like this

You can swing around for Confirmed Kill in the middle but I prefer to save the points

[radiant chasm]

Going bistol lethal proximity and puncture and grabbing everything that boosts nades and nade damage

Is ridic fun

[serene bough]

I wonder if they'll patch that interaction

[slow spade]

I hope not

[radiant chasm]

50/50

[slow spade]

Regening frag bombs is funny

[serene bough]

Shredders working with lethal prox/uncanny strikes make shredders so lethal

[radiant chasm]

Actual use case for twinned talent

Cause double shredder for free is so ridic

That to

Take shovel or knife

Get uncanny as well

[slow spade]

Oh Lethal proc doesn't need the bolt pistol out?

I see a buff when I pull out the bolt pistol

[serene bough]

I think it does

[radiant chasm]

No i throw nade, have bistol out

[radiant chasm]

Then swap to melee and farm weakspot hits

[woven oak]

(Hammer of the Emperor's boltgun build, not mine)

[woven oak]

Pretty sure it does

[slow spade]

Yeah I only showed the first few as idk if they were going for VoC or Exec

[woven oak]

This one can swap between VoC and Exe pretty easily

[slow spade]

Indeed here is what I did for VoC

Personally I swap Confirmed Kill for Charismatic

[pseudo fiber]

No reload speed boost for a bolter build?

[slow spade]

I reload cancel

So its not that bad

[woven oak]

I'm too lazy to reload cancel

[radiant chasm]

Eww

[slow spade]

The damage resist from Close Order is enough

Then I just have to kill 1-2 guys to get 100% toughness back

I find confirmed kill not that useful for bolter

[tired trellis]

what about Curio? what main blessing should I look for?

[slow spade]

So I went for the synergy with coherency + VoC + Focus Target

[slow spade]

Toughness curio and stamina curio are safe picks

Health is a trap as its only really useful vs snipers and bursters

Which you're going to shoot

[dawn garnet]

tag upgrades are wild

[tired trellis]

I thought you could only get health, toughness, and wounds for the blessing. There is Stamina?

[slow spade]

Oh you mean the other parts sorry

I get Sprint Efficiency + Stamina regen + Toughness

Sprint efficiency is only good if all 3 curios have it

[tired trellis]

Well there is the blessing at the top, and then the three perks. I am wondering for blessings.

[slow spade]

The blessing can be Toughness, hp, wound, or stamina

[tired trellis]

I was guessing that the perks would change depending on if you are doing grims, docket farming, etc.

[slow spade]

Vet wants toughness and stamina

[tired trellis]

Stamina for the skill that increases crit when aiming?

[slow spade]

Blocking and pushing too

[tired trellis]

I have like 20 curios and I don't have a single stamin one 😦

I haven't even seen em I don't htink

[serene bough]

I prefer to not use deadshot

[slow spade]

Rip

You can buy curios from Melk

[serene bough]

So many other dps nodes that aren't a chore to use

[tired trellis]

yeah, I've been buying all the 20% health, and 16% toughness he's had

but I've never seen stamina and only a single one for wounds

[serene bough]

Bolt guns with deadshot is acceptable though

[slow spade]

The cap is +21% hp and +17% toughness

[slow spade]

Its fine on single shot guns imo

Like the helbore, bolter, and revolver

Vraks mk5 or recon? I guess if you meme with 3 stamina curios lol

[tired trellis]

Does having more stamina make the it last longer? I thought it was a percentage drain so it didn't matter how much you had

[slow spade]

Don't worry too much, if 1% hp/toughness fucks you. There's other ways to improve

[serene bough]

Haven't tried on helbore but revolver has surgical so I tend to avoid

Still, its probably a good node for revolver

[slow spade]

It lasts longer, percentage drain was removed a long time ago so its still helpful

[slow spade]

Yeah weapon specialist revolver likely doesn't care

+33% crit per stack

[serene bough]

True actually

Wouldn't that make deadshot even less necessary

I dont play enough w/ revolver to know

[tired trellis]

Does this raiting mean anything at all?

[verbal burrow]

This is what I ran when I collected my Auric Storm Survivor title, and what I switch to when it is Serious time (tm). There are going to be people who have an opinion on it, and that is fine, but I solely care about keeping my team alive, so if their feedback involves reducing anything that has anything to do with toughness, then I will usually be predisposed to ignoring it.

I will also say that the build, not concerning itself with break points very much on account of just outlasting everything, is very flexible with regards to what you choose to do with your weapons. Obviously I am going to encourage Plasma with Gloryhunter since that's 25% + 10% + 20% toughness back on each elite kill, 15% of which you send to the lesser classes within coherence, but you could swap that out for whatever ranged weapon you want and it would still work. I also don't think it'd have much of an impact if you took the meta melee weapon instead of the horde clear jewel.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3e77b8-f23b-4052-ba66-240cd3d7e3c7/walking-toughness-dispenser

[slow spade]

If you don't go weapon specialist, Deadshot has value

If you go weapon specialist, deadshot is useless

[slow spade]

It does for stamina

[verbal burrow]

Now my main question is, is your friend comfortable with being a walking toughness dispenser, or does he desire something more egocentric and damage oriented?

[slow spade]

A +3 stamina curio that is 400 or less is actually only +2 stamina due to funny rounding I presume

[tired trellis]

oh ok, so my 16% toughness might actually be 15%?

[slow spade]

Should get Charismatic as a lot of the toughness regen stuff is only in coherency

[slow spade]

Potentially but 1-2% should not be a big deal

[verbal burrow]

I am fully aware that it is only toughness within coherency, yes.

[slow spade]

Personally I'd get the Focus Target upgrade for damage as +7.5% damage is pretty good

[slow spade]

No I'm saying increase your coherency range

So your toughness regen affects allies more often

[verbal burrow]

I might but I'd have to consider where to salvage a point from

[slow spade]

The 10% toughness damage resist probably

[verbal burrow]

I should get this person a more well-rounded build for a sane Veteran player who didn't go full medic

[slow spade]

As you're going to be regening toughness anyways

[verbal burrow]

Right but reducing damage mitigation might negatively impact my ability to solo everything

[slow spade]

Probably but its still probably better than some of the crackhead vet builds you see in lobbies

[slow spade]

Such is life

[tired trellis]

So max health isn't really useful for vet?

[verbal burrow]

That is because the first thing I was taught as a child when I asked the oldheads how to deck out my Leman Russ tanks for the tabletop was "Think about what you want it to do and give it a specialized purpose"

[slow spade]

200 hp and a curio with +20% sniper resist lets you survive more sniper shots

[verbal burrow]

Not really no, if you max out toughness capacity, toughness damage resistance and toughness gain from all sources, and pair that with a combat stim and two krak grenades, there's very little you can do to fuck up asides from being bad

[slow spade]

But imo that shouldn't be an issue in the first place

[verbal burrow]

Bro snipers can't even get through my toughness bar

[slow spade]

Indeed, just saying there is a practical use case

Its just a shit one

[verbal burrow]

Diverting anything on the Curios to Health means diverting things away from toughness, and it's a pretty zero sum game

[slow spade]

Maybe if you use some Sniper Gauntlet auric match lol

[slow spade]

I agree

[tired trellis]

What about bonus wounds for higher content?

[slow spade]

Defeatist logic sadly

You're better off preventing dying

By having more stamina to block or toughness to resist

[tired trellis]

well my choices are health or wounds right now 😦

I only have two toughness relics, and no stamina ones

[slow spade]

Obligatory buy curios from Melk

[radiant chasm]

Two tough one hp

[slow spade]

Its only 200 melk tokens each

[slow spade]

I will never understand why some of the experienced vet players keep recommending hp

[tired trellis]

I'll have to pick some more up after I complete some contracts.

[slow spade]

I would have thought that meme would have died

[slow spade]

Such is life

[tired trellis]

so if I get a stamina, I want it to be 400+ due to the rounding issue?

[verbal burrow]

Planning for failure diverts valuable talent points / blessings / perks away from the telos of your build. Veteran just derives far more survivability from toughness than hp, and when called upon to choose between wounds or toughness, the answer is always toughness

[tired trellis]

So the ideal blessings is 3 toughness, or 2 tough and one stam?

[slow spade]

Ideally yes

[slow spade]

Essentially yes

There is an argument for 3 stamina curios for crackhead vets that zoom around and never get hit

[verbal burrow]

I personally run triple toughness as the blessing and triple toughness from the perks, with damage resistance to the most dangerous threats

[slow spade]

That's mostly for funsies though :p

[verbal burrow]

I would say that wound trinkets are for that one funny zealot build that derives extra damage and damage resistance from being at low wounds

[slow spade]

Yeah that's the only reasonable one imo

Ironically one of the best players I've seen runs a wound curio lol

Like bro runs true solo auric maelstrom (no bots) for fun

[coarse wolf]

time to force myself to play ONLY vet until i can stop sucking

[slow spade]

And needs a wound curio

[slow spade]

I've just accepted that occasionally shit will fuck me up

[coarse wolf]

oh no like

[slow spade]

Usually teammates shooting barrels

[coarse wolf]

i die to 3 poxwalkers

just by themselves

[daring sage]

me witht he psyker

[slow spade]

Oh

[verbal burrow]

And I say that as someone who used to run wound curios because my character had the luck of a Lamenter space marine. But I discovered that this was because the AI director prioritized me due to being a glass cannon, and once I became a toughness tank it started throwing far less smoke my way

[coarse wolf]

im THAT bad with vet

[slow spade]

Rip you then :c

I suggest trying the rashad combat axe

It has no real weaknesses in melee so you can focus in getting into the melee rhythm

[woven oak]

https://tenor.com/view/vaas-gif-22751248

[tired trellis]

Is there a best melee weapon? Power sword?

[woven oak]

Rashad Combat Axe

[stoic thorn]

Devil knife for me

[slow spade]

For general use, Rashad Combat Axe

[stoic thorn]

Parry is godly

[slow spade]

Power Sword for raw damage

Knife/dueling sword for mobility (still very strong in melee)

[left patrol]

Whatever you like the most personally is the best weapon

[stoic thorn]

When the scabs hit you with that dollar store sword so you gotta hit them with the parry stare

[left patrol]

Play with what you want

Disregard meta

[slow spade]

Vet melee options are all usable

[stoic thorn]

PLASMA GUN BABY

WE MULCHING A POXWALKER WITH THIS

[woven oak]

It is not wise to use a plasma gun as a melee weapon.

[left patrol]

I used to love plasma but ive tried playing with it again and it just feels so... bad
What happened?

[slow spade]

We can BOTH lose though 😎

[verbal burrow]

It is a free country bro. I expect to wake up tomorrow to several A4 pages about why I am trash for not running x or y, but as long as the team stays near me they will survive so I achieve my objective

[stoic thorn]

I don't fucking know I just bought the game not even a week ago

[left patrol]

Damb

[slow spade]

They stealth nerfed it recently to not pierce bulwark shields

[stoic thorn]

I love my plasma

[left patrol]

Ive had the game for almost 2 years lol

Its still fun though

[stoic thorn]

This is not a problem for me

It's called the "weaponised racism scream"

[slow spade]

Indeed but it is a nerf

[left patrol]

VERY cringe that was like its one purpose

[stoic thorn]

Bulwark doesn't even know what's about to hit him

(Three miniature suns)

[slow spade]

I don't even know why they did that

[verbal burrow]

Plasma is stil as peak as it was asides from bulwark shields but I have no issue with shooting his shield with a krak grenade

[slow spade]

Its not like it was op

[stoic thorn]

I think I can one shot a rager with my parry

[tame lodge]

Just charge shoot it 8 times

[stoic thorn]

Not sure though

[slow spade]

Well that specific aspect wasn't op lol

[slow spade]

Headshot can

But I don't think a parry aimed at body can

[stoic thorn]

My parries on ragers are quite inconsistent

[slow spade]

Maybe you need a crit?

[stoic thorn]

This is a stain on my reputation as an ultrakill and pizza tower player

[stoic thorn]

As in I don't even get to parry

[verbal burrow]

What Fatshark should really do is make it so that empowering a weapon to 500 raises all stats to 80% so that tintin can be freed from samsara

[slow spade]

Oh weird

[stoic thorn]

I think it's a skill issue on my end though

[slow spade]

I haven't used a devil claw since patch 13 so idk how much changed

I know it got buffed recently to allow multiple parries at once

[stoic thorn]

I haven't used a devil claw since last week

Wait

Idk

I want blessings for the Parry

Longer parry window (it's already pretty generous though)

Hell I don't even know how the parry works all I know is that I don't take the damage but I deal hella damage to them

[verbal burrow]

I will point out that an ogryn with slab shield spamming heavy attack on ragers will not only stagger them but knock them down. Try finding a friendly bulwark and positioning it between you and the enemy

[stoic thorn]

Ragers when I use my weaponised racism scream and whip out the plasma

[verbal burrow]

Occasionally shout at your pet ogryn if it’s toughness bar has the audacity to try not being yellow

[tired trellis]

For Rashad combat axe, Brutal Momentum and headtaker?

[stoic thorn]

I like the chainsword

Would use it more if it weren't so shit at crowd control

The sparks when I chainsword rev strike into one of the metal helms so satisfying

[tired trellis]

yeah, and that's what I have my melee for. When thye get in close. It's sad that it's so bad since it's a chainsword and all

[stoic thorn]

I think you should be allowed to fire over 100%

[verbal burrow]

Smite psyker is for crowd control. Rampage + sweeping strike + unarmoured + flak chainsword is for crowd slaying

[stoic thorn]

But every percent you go over 100% is the percent you instantly blow up after firing

[hollow ibex]

yes

[stoic thorn]

The poxwalker when it looks at me funny

I think I've got like

80/60/80/80/80 plasma gun lying around

Absolute ass stats though

[verbal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/decapitated-snowman-daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-gif-10167272

[stoic thorn]

So I use the ol reliable

I don't got a clue how to charge shot

[verbal burrow]

What is the 60% on that thing?

[stoic thorn]

Ammo.

[coarse wolf]

dont need to

[verbal burrow]

You hardly ever have to tbh

[stoic thorn]

It's a big number

I want the big number

[verbal burrow]

Please no

[stoic thorn]

How do I achieve the big number

[stoic thorn]

81/81 baby

We going broke

[tired trellis]

Is stability my dump stat for the Helbore?

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[verbal burrow]

Hold rmb until you hear a click, then lmb

[stoic thorn]

How do you unfuck the max stats on a weapon

[stoic thorn]

Good

The boss enemies gonna have a beating

[verbal burrow]

Brunt’s armory from hell

[stoic thorn]

What

So just

Fucking buy from there

That's it??

Not hadron???

[verbal burrow]

You can fix everything nowadays, but not the percentages

[stoic thorn]

This robotic razempoid can't unfuck the max stats

This mf not a servant of the omnissiah 😭😭😭

Mf a pawn of the everyprophet

[pseudo fiber]

You wanna piss off the machine spirit of a plasma gun be my guest.

[verbal burrow]

That is why I said that fatshark should make it so that any weapon leveled up to 500 empowerment should receive 80% for all stats to finally bring an end to worldwide animal cruelty

[stoic thorn]

The goat industry dies when they do this

And so does the lamb industry

[verbal burrow]

This would solve all our species problems

[stoic thorn]

Big Sacrifice is paying off fatshark

500 empowerment is

Is it the one in the blessings menu

[pseudo fiber]

Meta stats for plasma is fucked btw

[stoic thorn]

The 500/500

[pseudo fiber]

Good luck

[stoic thorn]

I don't fucking know what the meta is

All I know is that I am doing something to the boss enemies

How much damage I don't know

[verbal burrow]

I settled for making charge time my 60% since I never charged it since the game was released

[stoic thorn]

But I'm doing the Emperor's work

I two shot wlites

I four shot the ogryns

The ones with health bars I do not know

I just m1 away

And pray

I don't know if I'm critting but it's working I think

All I know is I am discharging enough heat to vaporise the state of malaysia

[verbal burrow]

If you see a health bar, pop a combat stim, mark with t, throw 2 kraks, done

[tired trellis]

What's the dump stat on plasma? Thermal?

[pseudo fiber]

Meta plasma is
80 damage 80 ammo 69 charge rate 71 thermal resistance 80 stopping power (charge rate and thermal resistance may be switched I don't remember sorry)

Welcome to the giga casino

[stoic thorn]

That is fucked

I don't know if my plasma is like that

I live breathe and shit plasma

I love gamblign

[frank monolith]

you can dump charge if you dont get the bist plasma stats

[stoic thorn]

Watching heretics blow up

Into blue

[verbal burrow]

Alternatively if you don’t charge it ever, just settle for a plasma gun which has everything at 80% except charge time

[tired trellis]

So the one I have?

[stoic thorn]

The fuck

Did you just pull out John plasma

[pseudo fiber]

No 71 thermal 69 charge but that's fine use that

[verbal burrow]

Blessed of the omnissiah

[tired trellis]

I was in the process of discarding it when I figured I'd ask

[stoic thorn]

What the fuvk

[pseudo fiber]

Keep that wait for path

[stoic thorn]

Give it to me

I need it

I need the John plasma

[pseudo fiber]

@tall torrent is this good

[verbal burrow]

Don’t, it is close enough, use it

[tired trellis]

Are the blessings and perks any good?

[stoic thorn]

Call me tzeentch because I'm turning people blue

[pseudo fiber]

Crit damage take that off

[tired trellis]

replace with Carapace?

[coarse wolf]

trying to learn vet
game: spawns 3 gunners directly behind me

while im being attacked by a chaos spawn

thanks

[stoic thorn]

This would not be a problem for my buddy eric

[tired trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-stank-vodka-gif-25961068

[pseudo fiber]

I checked myself thats a god roll

[slow spade]

You'll be John Darktide one day 🙏

[stoic thorn]

My buddy Eric would just

[slow spade]

Effectively perfect

[stoic thorn]

Despawn the chaos spawn

Like he just knows the chaos spawns true name

The man's always on some wacky ass side quest

[pseudo fiber]

Do flak maniac and the blessings can stay but I'm a fan of heat rising over focused cooling personally

[verbal burrow]

So, whenever I play smite psyker, the game will habitually spawn 1 poxwalker behind me to interrupt my Smite vibe

Even when I back myself into a fucking corner that was empty when I walked into it, and the entire room is in my screen's line of sight

[stoic thorn]

My buddy Eric once went on a mission to solemnace to steal back something

[verbal burrow]

To the point where, whenever I play backline Psyker, I order one of the peasants to be on anti-buttpoke duty

I am going to stun fucking everything. You prevent things from interrupting Papa Palpatine's groove

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as the psyker kills the 16th pot helmet man with mace that I was about to plasma into oblivion

With his

Unknown warp electricity

[verbal burrow]

Wanna know the really fun bit

The Electrokinetic staff is a Helbore lasgun with auto aim and 660 damage, with a Blessing that makes it's charge-up uninterruptable

[stoic thorn]

Unknown language

It's all high gothic to me

[verbal burrow]

It Helbores harder than the Helbore

[stoic thorn]

Are dregs the moebians

And scabs the cultists

[verbal burrow]

Psyker can also permanently block both ranged and melee attacks with it's sword to the point where, on multiple occasions, I have had Demonhosts just leave because they realized I would not die

[stoic thorn]

Because I need to know who to melee to death for my contract

[verbal burrow]

Dregs are the guys who look like you're somehow fighting the Taliban, Scabs are the guardsmen with spikes

[stoic thorn]

oh

Good

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[stoic thorn]

So I know its the cultists to kill

What

[verbal burrow]

IDK but I do know that half the community likes to dress up as them with the fucking sand flea cosmetics

We lose far too much ammo to people cosplaying as traitors

[stoic thorn]

"We are the moebian sixth, returned and redeemed" 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[verbal burrow]

Bro is fire, sadly he is also a heretic

[stoic thorn]

We need more Moebian 21st rep

[verbal burrow]

Still not Colonel Mael Radek from Killzone 2 tho

He ran Stealth veteran

[coarse wolf]

at this point im just trying to build something that WORKS

[stoic thorn]

Im pressing random buttons and it's working and I'm on heresy

And I hope there might be other chaos rep in the future

Actually no

Khorne could make an appearance

[pseudo fiber]

7 rager variants

[stoic thorn]

Oops! All ragers

[pseudo fiber]

I would say Tneeztch but another game got there first

[stoic thorn]

It's boltgun

Boltgun has both Nurgle AND Tzeentch rep

With the Black Legion coming too

Slaanesh has had barely any rep in 40k games

[radiant chasm]

Slaanesh is hard to do right and many companies are just scared of attempting

Tw wh3 did an amazing t rated slaanesh

[stoic thorn]

Slaanesh is more than freaky though but I can understand

[umbral scaffold]

Good evening, what stats should i want to have at 80% at knife and which one should be 60?