veteran-class

[thorny gorge]

I get that

[fossil basalt]

Ideally speaking, your team is coherent enough that threat angles are dealt with it pairs, IMO

[orchid hemlock]

Also if your team mate doesn't have an answer to crushers, you have much bigger problems

[floral hearth]

exactly why i have a pub build and a playing with friends build

[thorny gorge]

But i can stack onslaught really fast with the recon

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but it is mostly for yourself not for your team

[thorny gorge]

True

[orchid hemlock]

The recon has horrific armor pen but onslaught removes that

That's the whole point

[snow oriole]

whats the perk blessings for shotguns?

for recon lasguns?

[thorny gorge]

Yee

[orchid hemlock]

It would be broken however if onslaught worked on multiple targets

[thorny gorge]

Oh definitely lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Imagine using Infernus and just spraying in a crusher line

[thorny gorge]

[orchid hemlock]

Even if it is just for 1 second and doesn't actually kill anything, you essentially turned them all into fat pox walkers

[thorny gorge]

That would be very satisfying but giga broken

[orchid hemlock]

Then yeah at that point y can consider it a support tool

[snow oriole]

dump stat for power sword is cleave targets correct?

[thorny gorge]

Yee

But its kinda bugged atm

The ps itself is

I think its with the special

[umbral parrot]

Why does everyone always consider team stuff!?

[snow oriole]

is devils claw sword good now?

[umbral parrot]

I so agree with your first statement.

Darktide ain't a team game.

[floral hearth]

this explains the average pub game

[regal smelt]

getting hit at certain points in during activation will only give one charged swing or none at all yeah. been that way for a while

[floral hearth]

a vicious cycle of people agreeing it isnt a team game, therefore don't play as a team

[umbral parrot]

Even if i were to play with friends, I would not count on them. Handle yourself and all will be fine.

And if everyone can handle themselves, it's easy. x3

[white minnow]

it's intended since getting hit interrupts the chained condition

[thorny gorge]

[regal smelt]

I know but it can be extremely inconsistent. again it will sometimes give you only a single full swing after getting hit, and sometimes you won't get canceled out of it at all

[thorny gorge]

You blow in from a certain town?

[umbral parrot]

As a matter of fact, i have~!

[regal smelt]

vermintide is definitely a better team game. darktide gives just enough player power that you don't have to rely on eachother, thus pubs never do

[thorny gorge]

Go install the solo mod and tryout some no bots damns

[white minnow]

you're feeling the inconsistency because you don't lose it if you haven't hit an enemy yet, but you'll lose it if you've already hit an enemy with your special

[regal smelt]

that's definitely not the case

[tall torrent]

The problem is that every class is very well capable of handling every threat on their own, and it’s by far the most effective strategy to be able to deal with everything just by yourself

[thorny gorge]

Kinda

[tall torrent]

The best form of supporting your team is “kill the enemies that are causing problems”

[white minnow]

you'll have to record some footage in question for me then because that's what I've observed

[umbral parrot]

You act as if i don't~!

[white minnow]

otherwise, I'll go record it once I'm home

[umbral parrot]

** I LOVE** solo mode~! I really wish you did not have to install a mod on it!

[thorny gorge]

[umbral parrot]

Yeeee

Still mad i can't solo with my Ogryn anymore. FNP was soooooooooooo good.

[thorny gorge]

Aurics?

[umbral parrot]

Along with super bleed.

2k hours. Doing anything less is boring lol

[thorny gorge]

Exception then

Not the rule lmao

[umbral parrot]

Wheeling back on this. It's a melee situation. Which is why i don't like it.

Hold the phone, i forgot. Bleed ticks more with brittleness right!?

[thorny gorge]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Exploit weakness is not worth it besides like 2 weapons

[thorny gorge]

And burns

[tall torrent]

And even for those 2 weapons it’s debatable

[umbral parrot]

I'm doing a chainsword build. Heck na, that's trash then.

[tall torrent]

Tac axe & DC swords get some mileage out of it

For carapace

[thorny gorge]

I think they dont let you stack like that with melee anymore

[tall torrent]

Knife & duelling swords don’t really need it, even without uncanny strike

Just because they have such high crit chance & finesse that it doesn’t matter much

[umbral parrot]

Yea, just now thinking how i'm going to build a Chainsword build.

[storm hazel]

What melee weapon do you guys think is the best at crowd clear that isn't the power sword? I'm trying to swap off to a different weapon.

[inland orchid]

devils claw goes brr for me

[thorny gorge]

The chain weapons are always good

[tall torrent]

Rashad III combat axe

[storm hazel]

are the weapons just categorically good at mob clear or is there a specific blessing set up I need?

[snow oriole]

whats perk blessing for power swords?

[umbral parrot]

True, but i'm kinda competing against my Power Sword build lol.

[thorny gorge]

Hey fork, do you gain mats from doing solo

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum + headtaker, perks can vary

[thorny gorge]

With no bots

[umbral parrot]

No. One of the reasons why i don't do it. Unless they somehow changed it, which i doubt.

[snow oriole]

rashad is better than antax right?

[storm hazel]

I'm going to try this out ASAP. Thanks

[tall torrent]

Usually yea

[tall torrent]

You’re also going to need some heavy melee talent spec

Need 10% atk speed on bottom right

[thorny gorge]

[umbral parrot]

I know.... -sniff-

Though with this new update, i kinda unlocked everything now. So.... maybe....

[tall torrent]

Find a friend who’s good enough to survive on their own, and just run private duos

Duo is the best mode

[thorny gorge]

That requires being social

[tall torrent]

U not only can go through a level fast while looting efficiently, you also get normal sized enemy spawns

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

Findings 1 guy who’s good at the game can’t be that hard

You’re already on discord anyway

[storm hazel]

I don't have any wiggle room on my build because it's more ranged focused. How big of an impact is that 10% attack speed?

[thorny gorge]

I live and die in the pubs

[tall torrent]

One of the strongest melee weapons vs not feeling good to play

What does ur build look like

[inland orchid]

you seem to be doing fine rn to me

[tall torrent]

I can squeeze in a Rashad into a Boltgun build, idk how you can’t

[small loom]

is there a list of the changed mark names? all the weapons besides combat axes changed names for some reason

[storm hazel]

typical recon lasgun copy paste build

[tall torrent]

Don’t play this please

[umbral parrot]

Lol!

[thorny gorge]

No repiocity is wild

[tall torrent]

Get iron will

Inspiring barrage is peak dogshit

Drop 8 stacks

[thorny gorge]

Take of the extra things from ft

[tall torrent]

Drop focus target even, it’s not mandatory for recon lasgun

[thorny gorge]

Its if you go dot

[tall torrent]

Nah

You get more mileage out of other things

[thorny gorge]

No keystone build OP lmao

[tall torrent]

Recon is the only case where not having a keystone is actually worthwhile

[thorny gorge]

Yee

[tall torrent]

Pretty much everything else is better off with a keystone

And recon XII is probably the only case where u can’t afford a Rashad

[thorny gorge]

I might try no focus target tbh

[tall torrent]

Too bad

[storm hazel]

. - Inspiring Presence - Focus Target Keystone + Iron Will + 10% attack speed

[thorny gorge]

Reiporcty

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately you also need desperado

And u should get reciprocity because it scales well for recon as well

[thorny gorge]

Take of the attack speed?

[storm hazel]

You want me to take off 10% rending and 20% damage to ogryn/monstrosity?

[thorny gorge]

Yea

But keep the 20%

[tall torrent]

No, forget about Rashad

If you’re playing recon XII you can’t afford to run it

Too bad

Run smth else

Chainsword maybe lol

[thorny gorge]

Hang on

[storm hazel]

What's the next best thing?

[tall torrent]

Power sword / chainsword depending on ur preference

[thorny gorge]

Knife if you want mobility

[storm hazel]

I have 0 problems with power sword but it's just getting kind of annoying

[tall torrent]

He also can’t afford knife

If u can’t afford to run a Rashad, knife is even costlier

[storm hazel]

I'll try chainsword. What's the set up I need for mob clear?

[tall torrent]

IV
Rampage + shred

XIIIg
Wrath + shred

[thorny gorge]

Rampage

[storm hazel]

which variant is better for mob clear? I don't even know the difference between the two

[tall torrent]

Not much role difference, both are horde clear one trick

[umbral parrot]

xiiig is the blue one.

[tall torrent]

Just moveset variation

[umbral parrot]

And i take it for horde clear and hard snipe.

H1 and H2 is soooooo good.

Or L1 and H2. They're both Strikedowns.

Heck, even Push/ H/L1 and H2 works fine.

Not Push attack, just push!

On my Cadian character, i main Chainswords.... because of the weapon skin called Cadia's Teeth. FULL CADIAN GEAR~!

[thorny gorge]

I may have found a excuse for my troll knife

The bleed horde clears

[tall torrent]

It’s just very mid at it

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

U traded off everything strong about the knife to make it be mid at horde

[thorny gorge]

Its kinda funny

[storm hazel]

Is there a specific moveset I use to clear trash or is it just light attack spam?

[tall torrent]

Which mark

[storm hazel]

both, I guess

[tall torrent]

Again, they have moveset differences

And don’t use the same attacks for horde

Which one are you using

[storm hazel]

I haven't decided yet, I would need to know which movesets I'd actually be using in hordes to decide

[tall torrent]

13g ig

Push atk -> [light -> heavy] loop

On IV, you spam heavy

[storm hazel]

I have like 2 brain cells so spam heavy sounds better to me

that's one less step than power sword mk3

[thorny gorge]

so if i take off focus target, where should i put the point

[tall torrent]

What does ur build look like

[thorny gorge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cf52d-7eaf-49b6-b306-570ddad3e85b/bad-build

[tall torrent]

Rending strikes

[thorny gorge]

which knife mark for what im trying to do

im partial to III but thats for the heavys

[small loom]

what is the mark for the go to power sword now since the mark names cahnged?

[vapid nacelle]

dueling sword is fun

[shadow dagger]

pretty sure the mk didnt change right

just the manufacturer

[storm hazel]

Thanks for the advice - I made this based on what you said. I just have to go level up my mastery now.

[distant crow]

is there any functional build with lasgun ?

[vapid nacelle]

do I give in to OCD and get a new pistol with 80 Ammo 60 Mobility

[distant crow]

this one can reach 67% movility

idk what it means but it can

[vapid nacelle]

ugh but it's not 60

😠

[distant crow]

why?

[vapid nacelle]

Gotta get that extra 0.01 movement speed (no I don't actually know what the difference is but it HAS to be perfect because perfection 😠)

[silent cloud]

What's that 1 difference

[umbral parrot]

Let's see Paul Alen's Chainsword.

My baby~!

Get the added benefit of strike downs with that.

[silent cloud]

Very nice,impressive

[distant crow]

this one also good potential

[austere mica]

Horrific, thank you

[silent cloud]

This is a perfect chainsword

[distant crow]

this one idk

[vapid nacelle]

on the last one I could afford

[silent cloud]

But if the chainsword is 80 Penetration and 60 Mobility will be better

[vapid nacelle]

😭

[austere mica]

Wait are you actually taking them seriously

That is an intentionally bad chainsword

[vapid nacelle]

the 1 difference in mobility doesn't matter

its fine

just get 51 or higher I think is the breakpoint right?

[snow oriole]

can someone give me a link to a generic overall talent build

[austere mica]

Can you be the slightest bit more descriptive

[snow oriole]

lol

[vapid nacelle]

I can do that

a veteran build

[austere mica]

As in like

[vapid nacelle]

now get to it

[austere mica]

Any description at all

[vapid nacelle]

it has to use a gun

[snow oriole]

rofl

[silent cloud]

It is 500 build Chaindword.It can't be better.That's what I mean.

[austere mica]

It can be so much better

[snow oriole]

look i havent played in a while. i just wanna enter some points and start playing instead of reading everything for an hour lol

[silent cloud]

If I want I will not want a 80 Mobility Chainsword

[austere mica]

They could fix the absolutely destroyed perks and blessings

[small loom]

do the +XP curios affect weapon mastery xp from playing? A friend of mine just asked

[uncut pebble]

I doubt it.

Fastest way to get xp is to buy out brunts inventory of green and blue weapons and sacrifice them, anyway.

[small loom]

i doubt it would work from sacrificing weapons, but maybe from end of mssion?

[vapid nacelle]

it's not a laspistol but I have this, can I keep my account

[uncut pebble]

It's 61%, something else is lying in that stat dist.

i.e. it is being rounded up.

[vapid nacelle]

I have a weapon with 62% on someone

[uncut pebble]

Really it's fine, I'm just hyper autistic and HATE when it's a 61%.

[vapid nacelle]

I embrace the chaos as long as it's the highest numbers possible

[gilded vine]

Then does a weapon with 59% mean the other stats have a secret, illegal extra quarter of a percent

[vapid nacelle]

🤫

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[vapid nacelle]

I play Ogryn to have 579 HP because bigger number = better build, my logic is flawless

[uncut pebble]

Toughness and hp I ignore on the numbers side because the top curios are 17% and 21%, respectively.

You literally can't get nice round numbers with the best available curios.

[vapid nacelle]

I have all my curios on my character 21% HP with 5% HP, Tough, Gunner resist

Except for one with a 17% Toughness because I haven't gotten the third 21% HP on them yet

[uncut pebble]

That's way too much hp for a vet.

[tall torrent]

[vapid nacelle]

shhhhhh

big number

[uncut pebble]

I'm pretty sure the math doesn't work out like that, despite what common sense would lead you to believe.

Because... fatshark math...

If you know anything about how they do crit damage / weakspot damage perks on weapons, you know what I'm on about.

[vapid nacelle]

11th 17% toughness on my vet woooo..

[uncut pebble]

Go get all matching curios for your builds.

[vapid nacelle]

I could get my vet fully matching.. but then it would be toughness

but 21% HP is bigger number so I'm sad

:[

[uncut pebble]

I have mechanicus exemplar caskets only for normal and martyr builds on my zealout.

[vapid nacelle]

ugh fine I'll toughness spam

[uncut pebble]

I need to pull a 21% hp one to finish the set perfectly (current one is 20%) and then I never have to touch zealout curios ever again.

I will probably never pull that off though.

[vapid nacelle]

is Toughness regen speed still the wave

[uncut pebble]

No.

[vapid nacelle]

cool

[uncut pebble]

That's only useful on ogryn.

Because it's coherency regen.

[vapid nacelle]

I've been playing Ogryn wrong then

oh well, 5% HP and Toughness 👀

[uncut pebble]

The slabs know more about that math than I do.

[vapid nacelle]

Larger coherency radius and I think more baseline coherency regen

[uncut pebble]

I believe their delay is also faster.

[vapid nacelle]

I wish I could convert my plasteel/diamantine to ordo dockets

[storm hazel]

That's a handsome looking sword.

I'll have to try this iteration as well.

[vapid nacelle]

it has been fixed

[white minnow]

seems that i misremembered that you kept charge on hit even without hitting an enemy, but you don't lose it if hit during a swing since they're interruptible. I swear that psword swings weren't uninterruptible, but I guess I have dementia

[atomic zephyr]

whats the rashad special even do

[uncut pebble]

Stagger.

That's really it.

[atomic zephyr]

will it stop a rager?

[tough tiger]

Ye

[atomic zephyr]

good enough

[tame lodge]

Use your push attack

Better cleave

Stops ragers

Push attack light loop and and you'll be safe against at least 3 ragers at once

[vapid nacelle]

dueling sword stab them because dueling sword is based

[tough tiger]

Duelling sword trivializes the game

[tame lodge]

Not really

Bad horde clear

For single target

[vapid nacelle]

its horde clear could be worse tbh

[tough tiger]

Clearly u dont use the thammer often xd

[vapid nacelle]

it's no power sword but like I still handle the moebian hordes fine

[tough tiger]

Anything that horde clears better than a thammer is good enough for me

[vapid nacelle]

isn't the problem with thunder hammer horde clear the fact that it like sends half the horde to the moon but doesn't kill them

or is that old news

[tough tiger]

Still the case

[vapid nacelle]

:(

thunder hammer still cool though because hammer

[tough tiger]

Yeah

I wish they didnt reduce the unyielding multiplier for it tho

3 shotting a dhost was funny

Now its 4 or 5

[rigid pilot]

The buffs to thammer are so good though

[tough tiger]

They are

[rigid pilot]

The better headshot magnetism makes it much more consistent

[tough tiger]

Charged lights actually have a use now

[rigid pilot]

And they reduced the afterglow duration so you actually don't just die

[tough tiger]

One shots gunners, shotties

[vapid nacelle]

I haven't kept up with thammer changes, I like neveer play zealot

[tame lodge]

You can't 1 shot it?

[tough tiger]

No i dont build for that

[thorny gorge]

[rigid pilot]

Running stealth thammer

[tough tiger]

Same

[tame lodge]

That mf wakes up dead when I'm around

[tough tiger]

Stealth hammer is where the funny happens

[fading yarrow]

I've been deceived, Mk II Helbore melee is a chop

[tame lodge]

Nope

That's the mk3 now mk4

Mk2 now mk5

Mk1 now mk3a

Do you understand

[vapid nacelle]

makes perfect sense

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppet-muppets-gif-467850616214781464

[frank basin]

zealot topic in veteran chat?

crazy

[tough tiger]

Yeah ikr

So uh

When psword for zealots

[tame lodge]

Don't worry we don't talk about mayo

[frank basin]

what the fuck mayo?

is that hidden secret code of lustful topic?

[unborn perch]

What are the crowd favorite blessings for shock maul?

[tough tiger]

Slaanesh juice

[pseudo fiber]

high voltage, skullcrusher/lightning reflexes

[unborn perch]

Does Falter boost the ranged stagger of your firearm or am I missing something?

[tame lodge]

No just mayo

[frank basin]

okay

[atomic zephyr]

what's dump stat on boltgun?

mobility?

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think so it's just falter is also on ranged weapons

[tame lodge]

There's like 500+ mentions of mayo on zealot chat

[unborn perch]

Ah I see.

[fading yarrow]

Correct

[vapid nacelle]

I love this pistol

I just wish I didn't suck at the game so I could handle shooters with it better

[fading yarrow]

Alrighty
Mk 1/3a Helbore is my favorite
I 1-shot bodystab horde mobs on Malice and 1-shot headstab almost every Specialist and Elite

I also 1-shot headshot Reapers and Bulwarks and 2-shot Crushers and Maulers

[tame lodge]

[rain badger]

Did they nerf the plasma? Does it not 1 shot arms anymore?

[pseudo fiber]

no they only did something with bulwark shields

[rain badger]

Interadasting

[floral hearth]

If so, about time

[pseudo fiber]

The something

[rain badger]

Yeah, knew about bulwark. Felt like I was leaving scab/dregs alive with like no health when spam firing into crowds.

What’s an optimal VOC build? Been trying to get Auric storm survivor title. But it just ain’t happening

[jaunty spindle]

Best infantry autogun?

[pseudo fiber]

Vrak mk5

[thorny gorge]

man

harlock

if you here

that was bad

[placid portal]

damn they nerfed plasmagun punching through shield? damn I missed that?

[pseudo fiber]

It's either a bug or a nerf

[placid portal]

At this point I might as well +9 stamina Crit maxx my Claw

parry spam my way through 2billion ragers

[valid dragon]

Where is the For the Emperor (3) penance description? I can't find it in game or online and I'd like to know how to unlock the fully enclosed helmet for the veteran.

[gleaming zephyr]

bolter

the bolter is the best veteran gun

[little path]

damn, they made the plasmagun stop punching through shields again?

that kinda blows

[unborn perch]

I think Thrust is too good not to take on shock maul.

Change my mind.

[little path]

It really sucks to have a whole plasma shot eaten by like what, aluminum?

[thorny gorge]

you wanna know whats funny

[little path]

e

[thorny gorge]

infernus procs through the shield

[little path]

oh, yeah

all burn effects do, I think

[thorny gorge]

but big plasma ball

uhuh

how dare you

[little path]

Superheated ions capable of punching a hole through space marine cermite :

[thorny gorge]

is 60 charge rate ok for a plasma

[little path]

Same Ions running against a rusty piece slab of plasteel : 💀

yes

no one charges the plasma shots

[little path]

it's more efficient and better to use only non charged shots

[thorny gorge]

just rolled

[little path]

The other viable dump stat is ammo I think?

I could be entirely wrong

[thorny gorge]

this what i heard

[little path]

but I think low ammo amount barely changes it or some shit

you only need charged shots if you're going for 1 shot builds

[little path]

so it's fine to not have a high charge rate

that's not at the correct numbers btw

since it's not maxed stat

[thorny gorge]

yea ik

im after the base

atm

good shovel?

[unborn perch]

It’s one percent away from a max roll.

[shadow dagger]

didnt they say its like a rounding error or something

[vapid nacelle]

I love dueling sword laspistol sm

[shadow dagger]

only stats that really matter are dmg pen first target anyways lol

i have plenty of resources but i just ran with a 65 mobility 75 defense roll

[tall torrent]

Playable, not perfect

[steep bear]

Anyone who has completed the "Focus Soldier!" penance. Do enemies marked by executioner's stance count?

I just finished my tour as a crab man (Killshot Ready) and not looking forward to mark 500 enemies.

[haughty juniper]

Hey quick question, friend has been telling me to try the headhunter auto gun but after the update I can't seem to find it on vet. Anyone know the new name of it?

[stable socket]

vigilant autogun, iirc

[haughty juniper]

tyty

[modern fern]

Does shock trooper even work with weapon specialist ?

[tame lodge]

Does it crit?

Is it laser?

[modern fern]

yeah

[tame lodge]

If so then yes

[modern fern]

no ammo use on crit hit with las guns

[tame lodge]

Although you don't really get much value if it's a recon

[modern fern]

pain

alright

[somber axle]

the extra attack speed is extra funny on the Recon Mk VId/Recon Mk XII but otherwise yeah it's not changing much

[modern fern]

hehehe vld go brrrrrrrr

ik vlla had cleave but idk which one it is now

[tame lodge]

Dunno the name but it's the brown/tan one

[modern fern]

blue is vld

xiv i guess

vlc is green

not really seeing a difference

[somber axle]

VId = XII
II = VIc
VIIa = XIV

I should make a new copy paste thing

[modern fern]

so xiv

yeah xiv

preview shit still broken thx fatshark

[slim juniper]

God I hate the adept assassin penance. It's my last vet penance and I'm having a bad go at it

[keen wharf]

i dont think ive experienced any more pain then trying to do literally anything with the Helbore guns.

[unborn perch]

Helbores are awesome. What are you not liking about them?

[tame lodge]

Spill your blessings c'mon

Tell us

[unborn perch]

I use the one for charged attacks. So the one with the highest secondary action. Surgical and weight of fire. Left side talent tree.

[keen wharf]

i guess using it like a Sniper isnt how im supposed to use it.

[unborn perch]

I use it like a sniper

[keen wharf]

this i love to use, the Helbore i just cant stand the charge up it annoys me greatly, in the time it takes me to charge up the gun and use an entire mag i could have killed about 10-12 elites with this in a mag give or take.

[unborn perch]

You gotta use Weight of Fire. Charge up will not be a problem. That blessing can effectively nearly double your damage from the sheer “weight of fire” lol

If you’re gona snipe with helbores any way

[keen wharf]

i did use Weight of Fire, i still could hardly kill anything.

[unborn perch]

I literally one shot crushers with mine and you don’t have to do full charge on small shooters.

[errant sable]

[keen wharf]

its not that i cannot kill anything, its the fact everything i tried shooting was already dead by someone else. im using a weird build though but i can 1 shot Reapers without using my special.

[unborn perch]

I just use the left side talent tree no deviations. Full blown sniper class.

[keen wharf]

ye, i use left as well, also 3 stamina curio's, im squishy but holy hell is it funny melting through hordes with the Columnus Mk V...

[earnest bone]

Its VId = XII

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[unborn perch]

If you think that’s cool you should try the MK XII recon las gun with weapon specialist and a celerity stim.

[orchid hemlock]

i got it by accident

[keen wharf]

i dislike the lasguns too, the recoil bothers me.

[orchid hemlock]

recons have recoil???

[keen wharf]

which is funny because i love the Agripinaa MK I

im talking about the Recon lasguns

[orchid hemlock]

yeah

recon lasguns have recoil??

[unborn perch]

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[orchid hemlock]

i dont see the recoil anywhere

[modern fern]

i dont like it ran out of ammo way to fast and mag is to small

im going back to being a shitter and mag dumpping everything with the vld

[unborn perch]

The 3 different marks of recon las guns serve different roles. With slower rate of fire you get more precision and ammo economy. With higher fire rate you get less precision but more burst damage. Slower rate of fire recons are best used with executioner’s stance and the highest rate of fire recons get a lot more mileage from the attack speed buffs from weapon specialist.

[modern fern]

that cap af

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/631715379151896576/1284122198105133109/rapidsave.com_anylnyw0chod1.gif

[keen wharf]

this is lasgun with ok blessings vs Columnus Mk V withgodrolls.

[unborn perch]

I see nothing wrong with this

[keen wharf]

this is the Columnus i have.

[modern fern]

hmmmmm yes recoil

[earnest bone]

tldr

recoil dont exist in this game

[keen wharf]

i always manage to make the Fleshbags mad when i delete half their HP.

[modern fern]

damn even the hip firing has RECOIL

[orchid hemlock]

recons dont have good finesse so yeah the collumnus is going to eat cake with finesse modifiers

too bad I dont play with MF 😔

[keen wharf]

i still like my Agripinaa Mk I more though, the slow Daka Daka is music to my ears.

[orchid hemlock]

yeah there isn't tech "recoil" in this game, in reality all weapons have a crosshair even when aiming down sites, that corsair expands or narrows depending what your character is doing

[modern fern]

on my final gun to master now

its the plasma gun

alright someone give me blessing to get

[keen wharf]

the only gun that bothers me is this one, i wanted to use the Mk IIb but i cant do it, my smoothbrain cant figure out a way to compensate the way the reticle moves when zoomed in.

[modern fern]

what is that skin on it wtf

[keen wharf]

i cant remember where i got the skin.

[radiant chasm]

Paid one

It’s the uhh

[modern fern]

name ?

[radiant chasm]

Fuck flamer had one as well

Jury rigged? Field repaired?

It’s on the commodore wiki

[modern fern]

noted not getting whatever that is (im broke)

[thorny gorge]

does stab matter on the vraks?

[modern fern]

on ?

[thorny gorge]

braced auto gun

[modern fern]

no

[thorny gorge]

cool

[modern fern]

just switch to melee

ez

[atomic zephyr]

was helping my friend out with heresy today, ended up kinda-soloing my first chaos spawn as a result

it was knocked down to 60% health before the team folded and they all died

but I’ll count it as a W anyway

[unborn perch]

What are the best general blessings on plasma gun? I usually take uncharged pop shots and do some charged shots on bigger targets. I’m not down to commit to one way of shooting. So for both kinds of shots what’s gona give me the best results on damage?

[shadow dagger]

gets hot blaze away is the classic

i dont think average plasma gameplay involves charged shots all that much

theres crusher packs and what, bulwark shields?

everything else just dies to uncharged shots

[unborn perch]

Yeah but sometimes I just want to completely red paste a heretic…no trace of life left.

Gets hot and blaze away was my initial thoughts though so I’ll just roll with that.

[fiery moss]

pretty much crusher packs

Jury's out for me on whether it's worth it against plague ogryn/beast of nurgle tho

[tame lodge]

Gets hot and Rising Heat

[unborn perch]

I’ll try it out.

[blissful cliff]

Is taking deadshot worth it for the Bolt Pistol?

[karmic moat]

so I'm new to the sacrifice system, dumb question but, I won't lose my currently equipped hellbore if I sacrifice a bunch of others I have right?

[blissful cliff]

Nah, but it'll give you a screen of all the weapons you're about to sacrifice before you click the button

So just run through it and make sure it's not the one you want to keep

[karmic moat]

oic thank you

[blissful cliff]

Also favorite it

[karmic moat]

gotcha

[blissful cliff]

you can't sacrifice or discard something if it's favorited

[karmic moat]

oh ok yeah I'm seeing the menu now

I was just scared to even click to the menu XD I fear losing this hellbore. it's my stabby friend

[shadow dagger]

irrational fears

my favorite

[gleaming zephyr]

whats the best veteran primary weapon?

[earnest bone]

All of them, aside from Tactical Axes.
https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg
Check pinned guide for additional details

[gleaming zephyr]

i use the combat axe

[earnest bone]

rashad mk3 brutal/headtaker for blessings and for perks carapace + elite or flak + maniac

[unborn perch]

What exactly does Rising Heat do on the plasma gun? Is it 20% damage scaling with heat?

[earnest bone]

someone said its scaling Power from 5 to 20%

FS forgot to put the word there

happens all the time

[shadow dagger]

"the best" in a game with no grind and therefore no incentive to identify and achieve the pinnacle of strength other than fun

true...

[gleaming zephyr]

i now have max level combat axe

[tame lodge]

Hoo wee
I'm not that rusty on Helby

We do be two tapping crushers

[wet ether]

dump stat for duelling sword?

[blissful cliff]

mobility

[glacial marlin]

Any good melee weapons for carapace enemies and horde clearing?

[tame lodge]

Orestes 12
Rashad combat axe

Power sword 6

[glacial marlin]

Thanks I'll try those out

[tame lodge]

Fold shovel 7 although more horde control than clear

[regal belfry]

do you know what armor bane brings and what hot-shot cleave is calculated

[tame lodge]

The karking XIIIg

[tame lodge]

Armourbane is brittleness

Meh blessing

[glacial marlin]

I have used the chain axe I felt it lacking in the horde clear was great at carving carapace thou.

[regal belfry]

so weight of fire and surgical or?

[glacial marlin]

Surgical for ammo efficiency

[thorny gorge]

i can stack brittleness on mutiple targets with onslaught i think

[tame lodge]

Hotshot is 50% cleave on spot hits
It's whatever really

[thorny gorge]

[regal belfry]

which blessing beside surgical would you recommend then

[tame lodge]

Weight of Fire

Lmao

[regal belfry]

so the two i statet...

[tame lodge]

Yeah nothing changed lol

[regal belfry]

i use the medium one of the helbore rifles

i hope we get a las fusil

[frail skiff]

Hotshot volley gun and a heavy stubber plz

[tame lodge]

Well the fast firing has some niche with Armourbane

[frail skiff]

And throw is a longlas

[regal belfry]

oh right las fusil was astartes weapon the heretics used longlas

then the longlas

[earnest bone]

Rashad mk3 with Carapace + Elite would be your go to (blessings Brutal/Headtaker)

You can also try Dueling Sword IV, the horde clear with lights is okay'ish, but heavy obliterate everything singletarget

[solemn niche]

hey anyone here wants to make a party for rolling steel ? I'm starting a mission that's not on the mission board anymore so I need to make full party

[viral swallow]

do y'all prefer to dump stability or mobility for recon lasguns?

[thorny gorge]

mobi

[viral swallow]

or maybe even collateral?

[earnest bone]

i dump collateral on VId (XII)

[unborn perch]

Mobility is in general a dump stat on almost everything that has mobility as an attribute. But on weapons that don’t have mobility you’d be better off with a 70 70 split between your 2 least desirable attributes.

[west cave]

are there any prosthetics options for upper or lower body?

Ive seen prosthetic eyes but wonder if there are also arms

[blissful cliff]

I know there's a prosthetic leg but it's a paid for cosmetic that's currently not in rotation

[unborn perch]

I don’t believe there’s an arm prosthetic yet.

[regal belfry]

is there a dumpstatt by helbore

[unborn perch]

You can dump charge rate if you take weight of fire as a blessing.

[minor iron]

why does the pinned vet guide recommend dumping collateral? i figured it would just rec mobility like everything else, but i just found this one and now i want to use the bolt pistol lol

[regal belfry]

collateral is stagger

and i think it is used as a anti specialist weapon

[pallid shoal]

Which catachan sword is good?

[regal belfry]

i like the mk 4

[pallid shoal]

And what should I put on it?

Never played with em

[regal belfry]

maybe savage sweep and rampage it is a anti horde weapon

mk4 cause first heavy is a strike down which you could chain with blockattack

[errant sable]

the ones ive seen and I have run shred/rampage

[earnest bone]

You'l have a hard time proccing SS on Dclaw, either Rampage/Shred, Wrath/Rampage, Wrath/Shred

do note it does almost zero damage to flak

if it's not a crit

[regal belfry]

isn't rampag same condition as ss

[earnest bone]

that's the shittiest part of this weapon

you can proc it via crit or with wrath

[regal belfry]

thats why i use the mk4 but you want a anti armor range option

i am confused why rampage is good and savage sweep is bad if both have same condition and brings similar cleave as wrath on max stacks

[karmic moat]

what is brittleness? and is it good for n axe?

[regal belfry]

brittleness is armor reduction debuff 2.5% per stack by enemies

[karmic moat]

oic

what about strength? I never bothered figuring out what these terms meant.

[placid portal]

Shred claw is based imo

[earnest bone]

you gunna be so slow, also dump defense

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-low-battery-battery-low-battery-battery-life-gif-9720770834740186529

[broken spade]

saw some people complaining that power swords suck now and this is their sword

[thorny gorge]

the shit knife build performs

[broken spade]

guy who was using this

[earnest bone]

Sucker Tier 1

[thorny gorge]

rate the drip

[earnest bone]

tho Sunder is at least useful compared to everything else

he has there

[earnest bone]

now go and recolor it

[thorny gorge]

my pc didnt like it

[broken spade]

Dude was in auric damn too. No way he didn't have the resources for cycler

[thorny gorge]

no for the drip for me

[earnest bone]

yeah, that's the downside for these mods

weapon customization is probably the heaviest one

[thorny gorge]

its max

[earnest bone]

im sure he has them, you only need like 3k dockets

to change

no resources

[thorny gorge]

anyone else run hard tide?

[balmy flume]

It’s actually statwise rolled well, but they are definitely clueless about perks and blessings…

[thorn lark]

Yes

[thorny gorge]

i figured id install it

[minor iron]

so are the weapons with 80 in everything except 61% in the dump stat actually better than 60% or is it taking that 1% from somewhere else and not telling us?

[thorny gorge]

there can be hidden numbers

[balmy flume]

Rounding errors of some sort

Or that

[thorny gorge]

if you see a 59 on a 4 80s

one of the stats is jacked

[minor iron]

yeah ive seen that often too

[thorny gorge]

yea one of those 40 is above 80

[minor iron]

1% probably doesnt make a difference anywhere but it makes my brain feel good

[balmy flume]

I actually have a PSword that turned into that after the update (59 in mobility IIRC)
But if it slays, it will do lol.

[thorny gorge]

damn

i dont have damage blessings on my knife

still can kill a reaper in a combo

[regal belfry]

what is the dumpstat then?

and ps wants really the powercycler

[uncut nest]

Power Cycler and Slaughter if your clearing hoards.

[thorny gorge]

Why does 10% extra hp not use a wound when i go down

Wtf

Like i have a sliver of hp and the bar doesn't corrupt

[real flicker]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d24e6f8-8e8f-4469-819c-683cf6ed8eba/reginalds-cornerstone-cadian-comissar will this be good for higher end content? i really wanna play a comissar build

[wet ether]

hey fellas for the power sword whats a good second blessing to have

[thorny gorge]

take all the extra off of focus target

[dire olive]

Rounding errors

[wet ether]

already got power cycler

[thorny gorge]

#veteran-class message

[wet ether]

is sunder any good?

[real flicker]

and put them where?

[sick cedar]

Finally got my ideal helbore, so happy

[thorny gorge]

it takes 3 points for these

[real flicker]

Nice one just trying to find close quarters on the tree haha

[wet ether]

guess my question wont be getting answered

[real flicker]

thanks! 🙂

[thorny gorge]

there is everything you could need to know for powersword

[thorny gorge]

although

tryout collat as the dump stat

[real flicker]

thats the one im running with atm

just lvling mastery atm

[real flicker]

does it tell you blessings and perks there or am i blind?

[thorny gorge]

it does

[real flicker]

nvm i see it

is it best to ads or just fire?

[placid portal]

Depends

[real flicker]

loads better thank you

[thorny gorge]

[misty lance]

yo

this is my recon lasgun build

anythink to polish?

[golden ingot]

You definetly want rending strikes

[misty lance]

onslaught isnt enough?

[real flicker]

On?

[placid portal]

Types of targets, urgency, and ammo constraint

[golden ingot]

Try the difference out yourself, you'll definetly see a significant improvement against crushers and the like.

[thorny gorge]

exe is not usefull with recon i think

try voc

actually

[misty lance]

i picked it just because i like it

[thorny gorge]

i just read it

[placid portal]

I.e Crushers can take 6 shots of carefully placed shots but if you dont got the time for that you could mag dump for 8 or 9 shots

[thorny gorge]

yea give it go

ooh

instead of the suppression talent

take this

also take determined insted of presion strikes

[misty lance]

tbh idk why i picked it xd

[thorny gorge]

the rending is enough

also

go krak

you can save a bunch of points

cuz survialist is outshone by shock trooper

cuz it would be much better to get these 2

over these

becuase with covering fire you basiclly mag dump the horde and give your allies toughness

and with exe stance

lmao

[thorny gorge]

just superiority

also move that to middle

[misty lance]

why

[thorny gorge]

immune to suppression

the brittleness is enough

do you want a keystone or nah

becuase ive freed up 3 points in the build

[misty lance]

not sure

[thorny gorge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cf52d-7eaf-49b6-b306-570ddad3e85b/bad-build

this is the build i run

[restive rock]

what is the rashad? the heavy sword?

[thorny gorge]

axe

[misty lance]

lets see

[thorny gorge]

ignore the knife

[restive rock]

ah okay thanks

im guessing dump stat is defences

[thorny gorge]

1 sec

[silent cloud]

I found Boltpistol is really fun

[thorny gorge]

you can find all this in the first pin

[silent cloud]

More fun than boltgun

[restive rock]

ohhh nice thank you

[misty lance]

how suppresion works on players?

why do i need immunity

[thorny gorge]

aim goes to shit

[restive rock]

btw, does anyone use the chainaxe? I swear I never see it

[thorny gorge]

move speed is tanked

[silent cloud]

I use it.

Yes no so many players use it

[restive rock]

your aim becomes shaky, so you wont aim straight essentially

[silent cloud]

Modt player just use chainsword

[thorny gorge]

"Suppression versus players will heavily reduce your ranged accuracy, making
it near impossible to hit anything at range."

[restive rock]

oh crazy i just got a 59% stat

mobility at 1% without upgrading LOL

I got a 0% damage gun yesterday

[thorny gorge]

rare

[misty lance]

ok thanks for help

[thorny gorge]

maybe

idk

[real flicker]

For the MK4 what would you take blessing wise to pair with the bolter?

[final hamlet]

is this still up to date?

• Does the celerity stim only help with charge up time for plasma gun or the lasgun charge speed?

[thorny gorge]

rampage shred always does work

[leaden stream]

you guys prefer infantry autogun or infantry lasgun?

[leaden stream]

what is this wizardry?

[thorny gorge]

Look at first pin

[grave rover]

whats the recommended recon lasgun model?

[thorny gorge]

XII for fire rate, XIV for cleave

[grave rover]

thank you milord

[thorny gorge]

Just look at the 1st pin

It will give you more info than i can remember atm

[real flicker]

I think im stupid, what is this telling me to take haha

words

nvm i think i understand

[dire lagoon]

hey guys I'm playing an exec stance build and half way into the game my ult just stopped working ( I could not activate it) has this ever happened to you?

[balmy flume]

All else being equal, is PSword still better than any of the shock mauls (even though the mauls have more stamina pips?)

[hearty panther]

At killing, yes. At defense, no.

[torn root]

blue stimmies are my favorite

[smoky sequoia]

This gives me "ISIS propaganda video" vibes for some godforsaken reason

Like bro was helpless and you just badazzled his world

Straight up gave his retinas the Lady Gaga Concert Deluxe

Perchance his last thoughts were of lenses and energy with that absolute laser-accurate display

[smoky sequoia]

I shall expound on this in the most uncouth of ways

[tiny summit]

Mechanicus still wondering what kind of heresy is going on to have a blue crack affect their machine of war

[wet ether]

You know I use to not like the power sword but I must admit it’s growing on me

[junior grail]

Is there something off with the Darktide servers?

I can't even load into the main hub

[real flicker]

god bolt gun and chainsword feels so fun to use

[balmy flume]

I think P Sword started off with a reputation of being too clutch, but then actually you do need proper input to use it well.
And once you do…it is really, really, really hard to go back to anything else.

It’s basically a weapon designed to cream anything short of Bulwarks (which actually requires a bit of skill if P Sword only) or Bosses.

[tame lodge]

The machine spirit demands drugs

[wet ether]

True and I must say I probs won’t be switching from the p sword

Although I’m still curious if I should use sunder or keep using brutal momentum

[balmy flume]

I could barely tell the difference myself in all honesty XD

[torn root]

PS busted

[torn root]

BM more popular but I use Sunder because I like hitting everything in mixed hordes, also I use the heavy damage on bosses

and you need to be able to still kill shit with your tree if you arent taking BM

[long rune]

Helloo, I was wondering, is the recon lasgun actually somewhat good? Have seen quite a few vets running it so figured I would ask here. Personally been using the columnus, but the handling for the lasgun seems great, so that got me kinda curious. seems fun to have a very stable weapon sometimes

[strange crow]

It’s good yeah ir has next to no recoil, and also better pairing with vet crit chance stuff than iag because infernus and shock trooper

[radiant chasm]

No

Infantry autoguns has great finesse

[strange crow]

My b

Nvm

[long rune]

ciag? i'm not sure what that is sorry

[radiant chasm]

The point of recons is ease of use, ammo economy and generally less reloading

[long rune]

ahh i see

[radiant chasm]

Yea my bad the autoguns were renamed

[long rune]

ah autoguns, okay okay, yeah its why i use the columnus mostly

[radiant chasm]

The best one is now the VIAG, vraks infantry autogun

[radiant chasm]

Columnus was renamed to Vraks, and the current columnus is the old graia

[placid swan]

Lasgun got replaced as top?

[radiant chasm]

Not at all

[long rune]

oh good to know thanks

[radiant chasm]

Recons are just easier and fun, and they aren’t terrible at all

[strange crow]

The viag (old ciag) been busted for a while no?

[long rune]

lasgun as in the single fire one?

[radiant chasm]

But for sheer damage power, IAGs still outpace it

[radiant chasm]

Recons are full auto

[long rune]

okay okay, guess I'll try it eventually, mostly trying to find a gun that feels good to use, i wouldn't mind the autogun too much if it wasnt for the weird feeling of the ironsight + spread

[radiant chasm]

Don’t be too worried, basically every gun except shredder autopistol has a place

[long rune]

sweet haha

[oblique totem]

@somber axle has long since figured out how to turn the Recon lasgun (And most other guns by extension) into a devastating weapon. There's even a copy-paste and a whole chart showing all the info.

[placid swan]

Well, RIP Kantrael MGXII

[radiant chasm]

mk12 inflas (now mk9) just been power creeped

[placid swan]

Yeah just got the renamed. Same feel, same long distance zit popper. Nice.

[radiant chasm]

it takes a ton of investment to get 1 shot breakpoints when the next model down can get 2 shot bps with only a little

[placid swan]

Hmmm, opening salvo not primo anymore?

Oh the middle lasgun got buffed? Nice.

MKVII

[torn root]

Las gun kills slightly slower than this but can go through multiple -- i forgot who posted it a few days back but that shit is legit just as viable if not more

and i am a IAG 5 lover

oops wrong vid

[placid swan]

Autoguns? Pass 😦

[torn root]

either way wait until the ppl that actually use the las gun get on to show you, dont believe nay sayers cause someone legit posted them melting back to back crushers with las gun

not just tickling but melting

[hardy marlin]

whats a reliable weapon without putting any points into the tree for gun stuff? aside from plas

[torn root]

IAG 5

[hardy marlin]

im mostly poking shit with a mkiv ds

[torn root]

that gun is good off rip as a grey lmao

[hardy marlin]

columnus?

[torn root]

yes probably one less specific than mine tho

im weird

[long rune]

oh could i find that somewhere

[hardy marlin]

is vraks a columnus variant, or a different gun completely?

[torn root]

best gun

[torn root]

it got renamed

[tame lodge]

Vraks is the old columnus

[torn root]

it might be the 2nd or 3rd best gun now because that shit i saw with the las gun the other day was bonkers

[hardy marlin]

i dont think I have one of those yet. can i just brunt it? my game crashed, or id check

[tame lodge]

FS changed Columnus to Vraks
And Graia to columnus

Agripina still winning

[torn root]

tbh all 3 feel fine, ''Vraks'' just has the highest dps me thinks

the others shoot too damn slow

[placid swan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2e6e59-bf09-413b-8afe-745fb61c1b9d/counter-ranged
New update wiped my talent set up. Added my weapons+curios for your rotten tomatoes review as well. Returning player. Counter ranged vet role.

Any update advice would be greatly appreciated.

[radiant chasm]

yea vraks is best dps, agri infantry has cleave, and the new columnus aka old graia is the bullet hose

[grand perch]

its looks like you hyperfocussed on the left tree and just grabbed whatever looked good. at least you had the foresight to grab krak so you have some kind of anti armour, but otherwise thats just a mess.

[balmy flume]

Agri infantry is best Autogun for getting at that one trapper hiding in a Poxwalker horde (if not in melee distance ofc)

[placid swan]

Went off the top of my head what I could remember was used previously and specialized. What are your recommendations?

[grand perch]

something like this, but remove points from the lower part of the middle tree if you want to go for marksmans focus instead. you might also want to grab a better anti-armor melee like powersword or rashad axe if youre set on using lasgun

no krak grenades here, throw two frags instead if you need to deal with multiple armors

[placid swan]

So you're giving up 20% ranged based damage for 33% toughness damage reduction in coherency out of the gate.

[grand perch]

its not 20% base ranged damage, its conditional, and that condition got nerfed. bonus damage falls of sooner now

[placid swan]

I suppose I'm used to being in the back of the formation. Did the range get nerfed within the last 6 months?

[wind patio]

Yes. What constitutes “close range” was increased, and ergo, this talent was indirectly nerfed

I still take it for Vrak builds.

[torn root]

ngl this gun fawks, not even kitted yet

can probably get the ttk to 2 seconds

[wind patio]

I was considering using that variant due to the higher ammo counts/fire rate to apply burn/brittleness more.

[torn root]

i dont have the masteries yet not sure which is best

nvm The 12 seems the best

like why would i want to shoot slower lmao

[wind patio]

For this build I think the higher damage variant is the best dps, just the least amount efficient so it’s not as good for abusing burn/brittleness

[wind patio]

Eh, it seems to be worse ammo economy but that doesn’t factor in burn/brittleness

I use health bar and debuff tracker mods so I can very easily track who is vulnerable and who is going to die to burn so I don’t need to focus on them anymore.

[torn root]

well ammo is free when you crit

could also stack reciprocity for 55% crit

[wind patio]

It still shoots faster with less damage. The overall usage doesn’t really change with crits.

[torn root]

well i can clip how fast eac kills

but the 12 mos def was the fastest

and it would only get faster the more i upgrade the gun

[wind patio]

This isn’t about ttk it’s about ammo economy, how much bang for your buck you get.

% used on a target

[torn root]

again you dont lose ammo if you are critting

also its vet

you dont even have to touch an ammo pick up

if 50% never dissapates

[wind patio]

Again that doesn’t factor into overall ammo usage

[torn root]

and you are refilling your pool

[wind patio]

Both guns crit at the same rate.

So it’s net neutral

[torn root]

im gunna say idk if you have played much, cause im a columnus head and can tell you this

YOU ARENT RUNNING OUT OF AMMO

especially when 50% is free

lmao

instead of nay saying its better if you gather the evidence for yourself but i am certain on the fact that you won't run out of ammo unless you have a bad build with no crit

shock tropper _ survivalist legit makes it nie impossible unless you are trolling

[wind patio]

I’m gonna say you aren’t really looking into what I’m actually talking about when I say what I mean.

I don’t run out of ammo either. So when I don’t run it of ammo, I begin to look into how much I can abuse having a surplus.

Ammo is a resource, much like everything else in your arsenal is a resource. Having a lot of it is always good but trading it for other things can be better if it’s not working out. I say I’m going to probably swap if it turns out to use my typical strategy better, and time to kill being improved will be overall beneficial to me rather than using my gun in more situations than my melee.

[torn root]

okay my response was to your efficiency comment tho

the higher ttk on the model with more ammo and fire rate IS more efficient for several reasons: Ignoring your obsession about ammo surplus -- you killing stuff faster and still maintaining a good economy on ammo is always more beneficial than killing things slower

the only diff is what ever you are obsessed about in your ammo bag isnt there i guess

holding onto ammo at the cost of ttk is a weird argument

in a game about killing

we focus very much on BPs in the cimmunity for a reason

mostly because killing shit slower is detrimental

[wind patio]

Not running out is a strawman. Say what you want but ammo is still finite and will eventually run dry. Saying I have an obsession over it isn't making your point more credible, only revealing what is typically more valuable to you.

That said, killing things quickly is valuable, but looking for different ways to abuse the game's mechanics in the most optimal and efficient ways is what I'm actually doing rather than what you seem to think is my "ammo bag".

I'm not looking to win. I already win. I am looking to branch out.

[mighty escarp]

People really put all their eggs into recon ammo saver huh

If you kill time in an encounter goes too slow, you will run out of ammo due to the director. The faster the kill, the better

[torn root]

exactly

idk what kind of logic they are trying to run here but the game is old enough where we KNOW that you legit don't give AF about ammo not when you have survivalist

ppl were ignoring ammo on it before when it was ass

they sure as hell are gunna continue now that its not ass

[mighty escarp]

Survivalist sucks now

[torn root]

still works, and its still taken a lot lmao

[mighty escarp]

No it's awful, but it's still better than the other options

[torn root]

much worse than it use to be tho

[torn root]

also this

that 5% damage go brrr XD

[sleek garden]

i like my 5% damage aura

[wind patio]

This is more of a trivial matter. Time to kill is finished the moment I stop shooting and the unit is confirmed dead. It's a unique case for damage over time weapons like these. If you hold down the mouse button to kill your enemy, that's fine, but you can move on sooner, and simply stop attacking, letting them burn out.

I am more concerned on my critical rate and how many stacks are on each target, and if they will die. Dodging is a non issue, I usually never take damage to begin with and usually any deaths come from specialists.

[sleek garden]

but i have the same build with both survivalist and fireteam on two presets

[torn root]

just because a weapon deals a DOT doesnt mean you should let the DOT run its eintire course to kill your target

that's not a good thing to try defending

that DUDE you left alive can still deal damage and apply chip

this is detrimental

[mighty escarp]

Not the main point but basically when it comes to builds, you have to factor not the ttk per enemy but the biggest overall number of kills in efficiency.

A massive massive problem with the community in this game is that most people test their builds in the pysk on only one enemy type at a time instead of factoring in what a real engagement looks like

[wind patio]

I'm not running its entire course. I know precisely how much is needed and what state the enemy is in and can adjust my strategy accordingly.

Like I said, I will not take "chip". I do not really take damage from this strategy.

[torn root]

the burn is legit just supplimentary damage to get to your kill faster and sometimes you have the space to let homie rock and die off

[wind patio]

If YOU take chip, I can understand your plight

[mighty escarp]

Why are you not taking chip?

[wind patio]

Because I don't take damage

[mighty escarp]

??

[torn root]

actual cap

[mighty escarp]

Huh...

[torn root]

but i digress

[wind patio]

I typically dodge and block almost all damage

And damage I take is negligible

[mighty escarp]

I mean.. that's good but . No stam refilling?

[torn root]

so you do take chip

lmao

[wind patio]

I don't need stam

[mighty escarp]

... Huh...

[wind patio]

You're kinda

[mighty escarp]

Strange but Kay

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[torn root]

oy im just saying the negligible chip could be avoided if the guy just died

[wind patio]

I don't get why you're arguing something I'm not even trying to make a case for though.
I don't care about ammo, I care about how much I can abuse it.

[torn root]

you abuse ammo by using it

simplest answer

GG

[wind patio]

I do. And having more to abuse is my point.

[torn root]

get more by killing more dudes

[mighty escarp]

I guess to put into context...

Vet has uniqueness to it as they can survive very interesting engagements based on the toughness build they take, especially if you are recon or iag.

Due to this, they can extremely tanky and handle gunner swarms extremely well. But you always leave one or two up so you can do infinite stamina for kiting and handling elite swarms..

[wind patio]

Huh
You can't infinitely upkeep with surv tho

[torn root]

valid

gotta feed my deadshot

[mighty escarp]

That's why it's weird to not take chip from a shooter to abuse the mechanic

Especially if you are going exhilarating

[placid swan]

The XII works pretty good for gunner swarms as well. Headshots.

[torn root]

its crazy because while you are abusing that mechanic you are using another one that saves ammo

[mighty escarp]

It does, especially when it was the goto weapon of choice for vet, still got but there are better options now... Unfortunately

[placid swan]

I've ran into ammo issues with other lasguns besides the XII.

[torn root]

the ammo pool on the 12 is really intuitive for survivalist

like actually

[placid swan]

Thoughts?

[wind patio]

Tradeoffs exist ig
Like, I already said I'm considering switching because I think it'll work better with how I play. In the end no one is really right or wrong, I already made it clear I don't have issues sans like, auric maelstrom random queue (everyone does)
Normally I wouldn't try to "cap" so much but people really value success rate so I have to tell them that I succeed despite their "optimal" playstyle being "better" than mine.

[mighty escarp]

Stopping needs to be 80

[placid swan]

For a las?

Whhhaaat

[mighty escarp]

Unfortunately

[torn root]

stopping power is damage iirc

[placid swan]

Stopping power was stagger I thought.

[hearty panther]

Both.

[wind patio]

You can inspect to make sure but yeah, stopping power is HUGE important

[torn root]

go into info and hover it

[hearty panther]

10% off the top is really no big deal though

[torn root]

pretty sure stopping power is the same for all guns

[wind patio]

It's "collateral" that's usually just stagger