veteran-class

[rigid pilot]

1 shot them too

[deft crystal]

whehn miixed in a hhoarde

managiingg melee and ranged is hhard

[cunning birch]

what kind of stat distribution should a rashad have? i remember seeing in chat earlier it was another odd one with 77s across the board, or maybe that was something else

[deft crystal]

80/80/80/80/70

everythhing shhould be a mobiiliity stat

[plucky cypress]

???

[deft crystal]

everythhiing should be a mobiliity dump

[plucky cypress]

Its all 80s and a 60

[west cave]

I have installed the gun customization mod and this is my first creation

[keen sedge]

any changes?

also, does shredder matter that much

bc i still 1 tap ragers and muties

[plucky cypress]

stat spread is pretty bad

[deft crystal]

re roll stats

[keen sedge]

what should i be aiming for then

[plucky cypress]

Dump mobility

[deft crystal]

mobility should be 60 iish

everythiing else should bbe 70 min

[keen sedge]

oh cool

[deft crystal]

Thats perect

Literally perect

wt

[keen sedge]

well, this will be a replacement

[deft crystal]

wtf

Giib

now

I want

[atomic zephyr]

I wish executioners stance had different voicelines if you’re using an automatic weapon

like instead of “One shot, one kill” cutthroat says “Establishing killzone” or something if using a brauto

[tall torrent]

80 everything except mobility (60)

[pseudo fiber]

I believe in bolter supremacy

[tall torrent]

I got a Boltgun + Rashad build if u want

[pseudo fiber]

I'm using your old one to great success still actually

[deft crystal]

imo every vet should be usiing rashad

[atomic zephyr]

speaking of which I need to throw together an agri brauto exe stance build

[deft crystal]

that darn thiing one shots abboout everythingg

[tall torrent]

Kantrael IIb, ghost + headhunter, maniac & flak

[atomic zephyr]

I be using heavy sword

[tall torrent]

New (?)

[pseudo fiber]

interestin

This is how my bottom half is layed out

[tall torrent]

I found a way to squeeze in a Rashad into a Boltgun build

[tall torrent]

U don’t need determined anymore

The sway buff this patch also made Boltgun really resistant to enemy suppression

Same for Boltpistol

Superiority complex is nice and enables a couple breakpoints (in case killzone is disabled) but it’s just kinda hard to squeeze in

[cunning birch]

havent tried bolter since they changed it, been having fun with WS+DB, what kind of perks and blessings should i be looking to aim for?

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac
Puncture + pinning fire imo

[pseudo fiber]

I mean I got an extra point now so stam regen, one motion

[tall torrent]

Surgical is an alright choice

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need rending either tbh

[cunning birch]

ty, i'll give it a crack when i get the mastery on it up

[tall torrent]

Boltgun can actually afford some melee spec

[pseudo fiber]

I'm using chainsword on this build personally

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1291961285205823529/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.04_-_23.05.37.07.mp4?ex=67020035&is=6700aeb5&hm=5522edbb98c94d9b11b626148007aab888ea68990c2f5dfb1f1efb1741346546&

[tall torrent]

This is with Killzone working
Without, u need superiority complex to reach mauler 2 tap

Which is a nice breakpoint but

Limits melee options

Since u can’t afford atk speed

[pseudo fiber]

would you say puncture over cavalcade?

[tall torrent]

Puncture is nice for some breakpoints

I don’t run crit stuff on Boltgun anymore

If I had to I’d consider surgical

But I’m not a big fan of surgical + deadshot for Crit farming

[bitter nimbus]

how do you get this end of match breakdown like vermintide?

[tall torrent]

Scoreboard mod

[bitter nimbus]

no workshop?

[candid agate]

its a mod called scoreboard, needs a couple extra mods to get all the stats though

its on nexus

[bitter nimbus]

thx

[pseudo fiber]

What's the general thoughts on the other dueling sword marks?

[tall torrent]

II is ok, V is meh

[atomic zephyr]

anyone got any pointers for an agri brauto executioners stance build?

(i could use boltgun but honestly i prefer bolt pistol instead)

mostly wondering which keystone to go for

eh fuck it ill go ol' reliable for now

is ceaseless barrage any good?

[tall torrent]

No

[fickle narwhal]

Can someone give me some tips about veteran melee cause it’s frustrating have to hit like 7 or 8 times to kill a random horde npc

[umbral parrot]

Power Sword

There, solved all of your issues.

[sleek garden]

what do you use?

[fickle narwhal]

Power sword

Lmao

[sleek garden]

sorry ive tried a ton of different builds with the power sword and ive come to the conclusion that you simply should try not to use it unpowered

its garbage like that

use power cycler

[umbral parrot]

8 hits? You sure you're turning on your power sword too?

[sleek garden]

unpowered strikes take forever to kill anythin

g

i wish it wasnt like that

[umbral parrot]

Same

Would love to have Slaughterer with Brutal momentum. Turn it on once and BAM, snipe out a boss.

Here, showing you my build. Give me a sec.

[umbral parrot]

Wait, you're level 30 right?

[fickle narwhal]

Yes but where i’m turning on in mid of an horde attack they punish me with random hits idk feels unfair

[plucky linden]

what do you use plasma's charged shot for?

[fickle narwhal]

Level 20 at the moment

I use bolter spear and energy sword

I feel nude when I’m surrounded and have to reload

Thats why i was asking for tips cause i need some help at melee situation with hordes

[plucky linden]

post your weapon stats.

[tall torrent]

Don’t use charged shots on plasma

[tall torrent]

Ok you need power cycler + brutal momentum

As for Boltgun, it’s a pretty niche weapon that needs a whole build to support it

[fickle narwhal]

I’m trying to make my build arround it but feels so slow to reload sadly , thanks for the tips probably at 30 things will become better

[plucky linden]

finished leveling the plasma.
how do I build the weapon itself? I.e. Blessings/Traits.

[pseudo fiber]

Like that

[tall torrent]

Perks & blessings are fine

[plucky linden]

thinking if I should go Maniac instead of elites ?

[tall torrent]

No, you’d miss breakpoints

[umbral scaffold]

How am i getting an health damage even tho i have over 100 toughness still on me

[tall torrent]

Melee damage scales based on % toughness remaining

If you have 150 toughness total and 149 remaining, you’ll take some health damage

Toughness only fully negates melee damage (most) at 100%

[umbral scaffold]

How the hell am i supposed to finish that damn no damage penance now

[tall torrent]

Have you tried blocking attacks & dodging

[umbral parrot]

Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum is a must. Just gold it up and you should be good. The lowest my power sword in damage ever was, is 60 damage and i ran with it for months.

BUUUUUUUT

If you want a melee build... at level 20....

[umbral scaffold]

Ofcourse i tried

[tall torrent]

You can block every attack that’s not overhead

Every overhead attack is coded as unblockable

[plucky linden]

how do you view full build btw.

[tall torrent]

It only requires malice, literally matter of time & practice

[umbral scaffold]

And i thought my suffering ended after finishing make every bullet count

[umbral parrot]

I use the website, not ingame. Darktide.gamelatern.com/build-editor

[plucky linden]

so... they intentionally removed ability to view full build from game?

[umbral parrot]

It was never there

[plucky linden]

since I remember I could see entirety of it at some point.

[umbral parrot]

I don't~! That would have been useful to have back then, and still right now!

[fickle narwhal]

Thanks for the tips i will try that build at 30

[umbral parrot]

I mean, since you're level 20, i'd go with this.

[plucky linden]

This is the one I currently run with plasma.
Survivalist takes quite a toll, but I really want it in.

how do actual plasma builds look like? This one takes no breakpoints into consideration since I have no clue.

[umbral parrot]

Normally, i would not go Krak grenades, since you can melee bosses with death if you can land your headshot damage. But since you're new, VoC is really good in order to learn how to read situations without dying.

[fickle narwhal]

What fire weapon do you recomend with that build, i guess as melee i should go with powersworf

[umbral parrot]

I'd say any range weapon. Power Sword can carry heavy on it's own. But since i go with Weapon Specialist, i'd say any hard hitting gun. Stub Revolver, Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun.... i've not yet tried Boltgun, but it should be good.

[fickle narwhal]

Thank u so much

[umbral parrot]

But you need to land those head shot damages. I mean, YOU REALLY need too.

[velvet estuary]

Columnus or Vraks autogun

infantry

[umbral parrot]

Man, i wish ther was a 4 vet power sword team. That'd be bomb.

[tall torrent]

Post-buff Boltgun is peak

[umbral parrot]

It's bomb. But head shots are wonky.

[tall torrent]

Both good, Vraks V usually considered better with higher dps but worse damage falloff over range & higher recoil

[umbral parrot]

This is what i mean by wonky

[tall torrent]

V & VIII infantry Autoguns have the same ideal perks & blessings so they’re very interchangeable

5% crit chance, 25% flak damage
Dum dum + deathspitter

[granite field]

what is the dump stat on the plasma gun

[tall torrent]

None, doesn’t have one

The ideal stat spread looks something like this
80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
69 thermal resist
71 charge rate

[granite field]

I got 1 roll with 80 on everything and charge rate at 60

[tall torrent]

Charge rate directly affects your rate of fire

Both uncharged & charged shots

U can play with low charge rate, it just wouldn’t feel as good

If u want a perfect roll, it’s what I posted above

[granite field]

okay, ill keep rolling then

thank you

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t recommend going for one unless u have a lot of resources

It’s the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game rn

[umbral parrot]

I play with the lowest charge rate. I love my power sword too much to keep shooting.

[granite field]

right now its the only gun that I use that isn't a perfect roll

[tall torrent]

This pic took me somewhere like 5M dockets

Good luck

[stark hollow]

havent used chainsword in a bit. do i spam auto attacks or charged attacks? cause the charged attacks seem to mainly be single target swing down

[tall torrent]

Heavy & light mix

Chain-rev atk is single target only, and is pretty meh at that

High risk, not that much damage

[umbral parrot]

1k is pretty decent.

I only use it against bosses tho.

[orchid hemlock]

69? 🤔

🌳

[tall torrent]

1k unyielding damage is pretty low

[umbral parrot]

Chainsword can't do much else against Unyeilding i believe.

[tall torrent]

When veteran can hit for 2~4k per hit

On other weapons

It’s just comparatively worse while also being riskier

[umbral parrot]

I have no idea how to buff up a Chainsword on it's Rev ability.

I only use it because of the Cadia's Teeth Skin! It looks amazing! Lol

[stark hollow]

arent almost all the heavy attacks just top down swings for the mark XIII

cant really make use of savage sweep and rampage that way right?

[umbral parrot]

Which is why it's amazing!

[tall torrent]

PA -> [L3 -> H3] loop for horde clear

Diagonal cleaving strikes

[stark hollow]

ah cause i was used to spamming heavy sweeping attacks with the mkIV

[umbral parrot]

The last heavy attack really feels slow tho.

[tall torrent]

Cope ig

[umbral parrot]

But love the first 2 heavy attacks. Knock off anyone's head with those.

It do be like that.

[tall torrent]

I don’t rly bother with chainswords

On any veteran build where I think a chainsword would be nice, I just run a Rashad

[umbral parrot]

They're fun.

[stark hollow]

gotta do my Yarrick larp

[tall torrent]

Horde clear one trick, super mid anti-elite

[orchid hemlock]

even for horde clear I would prefer the PS and Shovel every time

[hearty panther]

i just dont value horde clear tbh

a weapon that specializes in just hording isnt really that good in my eyes cause everything can handle hordes just fine if you pace yourself right

[orchid hemlock]

yeah wave clear is only really needed at a certain point

chain sword would be more useful if it doesn't just turn into as wet noodle every time it hits anything with armor

[hearty panther]

that said i totally do take the 13g chord to the new moebian hordes cause its just funny to mulch them that quickly

[plucky linden]

damn, plasma feels like the best gun there is for a melee focused character in current version of DTide.
Weird to find it on Vet.

[tame lodge]

Well uh vet is very melee

The hybrid class

[plucky linden]

well, de-facto he is

not the most melee, though.

finally got my ass into auric, t4 for a start. Only tried it when it just got implemented, last time.
I assume Tactical Awareness is worth sacrificing some dmg for, for Voice of Command? with that amount of specials around.

[tall torrent]

Revolver is better for that

Plasma’s swap-to-fire time is pretty slow

[umbral parrot]

I mean...

Lol

I'd prefer my spring efficiently still tho.

[tall torrent]

This improves it by 0.15s

[plucky linden]

Really dont like reload on revolver, and plasma covers that with it's magsize.

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist just removes the need to reload revolver

[plucky linden]

it's 1-2 bullets, no?

[umbral parrot]

Unless you go for more stamina!

Love my stamina!

[tall torrent]

Kill smth, swap, shoot, go back to melee

Unless you’re not actually majority melee

[pliant kayak]

What's dump stat for Helbore?

[tall torrent]

Stability

[old quail]

manstopper/flechette double barrel with chaxe4 is fun

[misty lance]

yo

cool recon lasgun builds?

[plucky linden]

not 70/70 with charge? I assume most hellbores are used with Shock Trooper and crit buildup anyway?
Like, difference between 45 and, say, 80 stability is pretty huge at distance.

[tall torrent]

Helbore is not plasma gun

Plasma gun wants a 69 thermal 71 charge rate spread

Helbore gets basically no benefit from stability (sway & recoil)

And the other 4 stats actually matter

[plucky linden]

eh, not sure how 60 would look compared to 80.
45 is extremely noticeable compared to 80 at distance. Had a chance to compare, today.

[tall torrent]

Charge rate is firerate
Damage & stopping power is dps
Ammo matters (kinda)

[plucky linden]

oh right, not with charge, with ammo.

[thorny gorge]

What is overkill dmg

Is it dmg dealt but not taken

[tall torrent]

That’s because Helbore has a really low sway minimum for stability

But generally it’s not a problem

[tall torrent]

Excess damage that’s wasted

[thorny gorge]

Ah

I get tons on zealot lmao

[tall torrent]

Don’t think about overkill damage too much

It’s only a problem if u have more overkill than total damage which rarely happens

[thorny gorge]

[snow cypress]

Is there any important change to the talent tree of veteran?

They added some talents

But idk...

[thorny gorge]

Survivalist is no longer a must take depending on build

[snow cypress]

oh

really?

That's good

[thorny gorge]

Yea

[snow cypress]

finally

[thorny gorge]

Its a 1% ammo fill on special kill now

[snow cypress]

ohhh I see

1% ammo on special kill is good

[pseudo fiber]

But with a cooldown of like 4 seconds I don't remember

[snow cypress]

huh

I see

[thorny gorge]

Yea you cant proc it like you could

So ive been running lasguns with shock trooper

[snow cypress]

So it reloads slowers the ammo...

*fills slower the ammo

[thorny gorge]

Yea

[snow cypress]

That's not good for plasma gun D:

[thorny gorge]

Its still kinda good for plasma

But yea

[pseudo fiber]

plasma is one of the lesser weapons that was hit by this change because you can kill several enemies per shot

it was a good nerf idc survivalist needed to be hit

[tall torrent]

Just melee better

[thorny gorge]

Bolter also kills multiple?

[snow cypress]

Looking it that way,it's true

[tall torrent]

3 cleave

Plasma is 50 uncharged, 100 charged

[thorny gorge]

Oh damn

[snow cypress]

SHIT

lol

there's some weapon in your cleave

[thorny gorge]

100?

Yea lmao

[snow cypress]

And any impotant change to infiltrate builds?

[tall torrent]

Basically none

[snow cypress]

Yeah right

I saw no significant changes

Psyker talent tree changed way more

[orchid hemlock]

aurics amirite????

[distant crow]

i can't find decent melee weapons wtf

should i consider this one instead?

[toxic leaf]

if there is one downside to the patch, its that you will never get a good weapon off of brunt for a something you dont have mastery 19 of

if you want to have a usable weapon for something that you still need to level, you need to find it off melk or emperor's gift

[inland orchid]

The upside being emperor’s gifts pop off more

[trim steppe]

True, tho melks weapons are like 95% of the way to perfect usually, like, better than we could do ourselves before the patch lol.

[toxic leaf]

absolutely, melk was just a blessing 4 fishery

[trim steppe]

Lol never heard it so well described

[balmy flume]

Finally updated.
Can’t run missions yet but gonna rebuild the tree nodes
And look at my weapon potentials

[wary solar]

So i wanna try the shotguns again since i didnt play for like 1 year, wich versions would you recommend?

[pseudo fiber]

the double barrel

[wary solar]

Isnt the range so short?

[balmy flume]

Brunt near perfect roll I think, but will have to level the damn thing up again lol.

[trim steppe]

Just a reminder that weapons you dont want to use can now be sacrificed for weapon mastery, or purples/oranges can be sold for plasteel and diamantine

[wary solar]

Ty didnt know about the plasteel diamantine, where do you do that?

[pseudo fiber]

that's perfect

[pseudo fiber]

yeah but it's got good minimum pellet amounts for sniping problmatic enemies

[trim steppe]

Just by selling them like normal (i think its still called "discard" tho?)

[wary solar]

Damn the update is CRAZY good than.

[trim steppe]

The mastery gain from sacrificed weapons seems to be determined from rating, NOT rarity. So a green and an orange of the same rating is the same mastery. So sacrifice your greens and blues, sell your purples and oranges

[true garden]

Chat what is a good build for doing on overwatch

[pseudo fiber]

it's also determined by the weapon your leveling up being the same one you're sacrificing

it's like a 5x boost if they're the same

[terse idol]

Anything with VOC

[pseudo fiber]

#veteran-class message

[terse idol]

At some point it just becomes being comfortable with your gameplay

[left plank]

Question does onslaught stack with shattering impact for up to 32 brittle stacks?

or is 16 brittle stacks just the max

[terse idol]

I'm conflicted on infil

For Ono overwatch

But it's good tooo

I just think you can just keep uptime on voc and you're gold

[tall torrent]

And u can harvest diamantine from dismantling gold weapons

[tall torrent]

No, up to 16

[left plank]

[tall torrent]

The 2.5% brittleness stack up to 16 stacks (40% total)

10% brittleness (from Exploit Weakness) is unique and stacks twice on top of that

Flame brittleness is new and presumably also work by stacking additively on top of that

Also, onslaught can only be stacked on a single enemy
If you hit an enemy and stack it, then hit another, the stacks on the previous enemy would disappear

[balmy flume]

Sorry lads and ladettes, where exactly do I check my Weapon Mastery for blessings?
Thought it was with Hadron…

[tall torrent]

Inventory - mastery

[left plank]

I was hoping puncture/shattering with onslaught would result in some hilarious boss damage, but alas.

[tall torrent]

Not rly

You’re better off going for direct damage over DOT for boss

Also, chain-rev atk is a single atk instance and does not stack onslaught multiple times

It u were thinking about that

[tawdry jackal]

tried the mk6 power sword

it worked for sure

but i miss sliding and powering up so gonna try to make the mk 3 work again

[left plank]

nah just mag dumping the bolter

[tawdry jackal]

this sounds like a super boss killer combo with the boltgun

[tall torrent]

U don’t need brittleness for Boltgun

[tall torrent]

Nah, Boltgun just doesn’t care about brittleness much

[tawdry jackal]

what about THE TEAM?!?! (only reason i think of brittleness)

[tall torrent]

Brittleness & rending’s effects largely depend on the weapons’ innate ADM

[trim steppe]

I feel the same way lol. I know the mk6 is better but I enjoy my muscle memory of sliding around with the mk3

[tall torrent]

The team won’t have to think about the boss when u kill it in 5 seconds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=6702cd5f&is=67017bdf&hm=94daf9bc0ad0b6781ab5b84a8d5aeda3af66ba45a0402657518fdb52f75febba&

This is not even a magdumping build for Boltgun

I don’t have +unyielding on it either

[left plank]

this is funny to me

I like this

especially if Im able to do this mid match before my zealot can get the bonk off

[cold berry]

how do you reliably hit all headshots?

[tall torrent]

Frag blast Center can stagger boss

Enough time

U can use krak for more reliable stagger (stick is guaranteed stagger)

[left plank]

oh shit you're so right

should i still take onslaught tho?

[tall torrent]

No

[left plank]

Im just trying to smear the boss

[tall torrent]

There’re like 2 guns that use onslaught well

Boltgun is not one of them

[tawdry jackal]

lmfao

that was hilarious

never see a boltgun stay that steady on taget either but i guess the combat stimm was why

[tall torrent]

Exe stance reduces spread & recoil

[supple stag]

Onslaught is a waste of a talent if you take it on other guns than VI recon or Vraks V inf autogun

God I hate the name changes

[tall torrent]

Recon lasgun XII and infantry autogun V

[supple stag]

It's silly how they changed named but the descripsions still bear the old ones

[tall torrent]

Don’t work them too hard, they’re still trying to fix the stat potential bug

[supple stag]

Give them 2 years

[trim steppe]

Do they really? Good, honestly, now I can read them to remember which gun is which

[tall torrent]

I’ve changed my guide to use the new mark names

Sooner we adapt, the less confusing it is for new players

[trim steppe]

I just want to know which new mark corresponds to the old mark, until I memorize them all again

Like the recons, wtf is that mess

[junior haven]

there's patch notes that conviently lists everything.

[trim steppe]

Taking advantage of the in game descriptions being old will help me learn faster if they forgot to change them all

[stray nebula]

Exactly what stat does the "Rising Heat" blessing on plasma guns increase?

[tall torrent]

Combat Axes
Rashad II => Rashad III
Shock Mauls
Indignatus III => Munitorum III
Power Swords
Munitorum III => Scandar III
Munitorum VI => Achlys VI

Infantry Lasguns
Ia => VII
IV => IIb
XII => IX
Recon Lasguns
II => VIc
VId => XII
VIIa => XIV
Helbore Lasguns
I => IIIa
II => V
III => IV
Infantry Autoguns
Columnus V => Vraks V
Graia VIII => Columnus VIII
Braced Autoguns
Columnus II => Vraks II
Shredder Autopistol
Ius III => Ius IV
Bolt Pistol
Godwyn-Branx Pattern => Godwyn-Branx IV
Combat Shotguns
Lawbringer VI => Zarona VI
Kantrael IX -> Accatran IX
Assault Shotgun => Double-Barrelled Shotgun
Ironhelm “Hacker” IV => Crucis IX

Ur welcome

[trim steppe]

strength / power

[tall torrent]

This is all for vet I think

[umbral parrot]

You have a list lol

[trim steppe]

Thanks

[umbral parrot]

Cool

[stray nebula]

What is a good blessing for power swords besides Power Cycler?

[grand perch]

good thing the rashad is now nr. III, II was just too confusing. ITS SO MUCH BETTER NOW THAT ITS III

[tall torrent]

brutal momentum / sunder

[tall torrent]

mark upgraded, now kills heretics even better
is what I'd imagine the munitorum would be saying

[grand perch]

[velvet estuary]

Scandar or Achlys powersword

[tall torrent]

VI

[idle swallow]

what are the tac axe goofsters running in this post patch era

all 2 of them

[velvet estuary]

ye? just better moveset to slice through heads or?

[tall torrent]

Better moveset & more single target damage

[lunar sedge]

I want to re-do my Infiltrate vet and wonder which knife and blessings to pick. Does playing around Serrated Blade actually worth it?

[thorny gorge]

yea

it opens up blessings

so you dont have to run lacerate

[cold berry]

Please let me know what you guys think of this build?
**Recon Mk XII Inferns Elite/Bossing Build **

• Build Guide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cab40-1665-43b8-a292-d328848d6459/recon-infernus
• Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLgATuQ-R7k

[grand perch]

unarmord / maniac (depending on mark) + flak and agile + bromentum

[thorny gorge]

take out the rending talent

take this

[real osprey]

what's laspistol good at? it just seems like a less punchy more mobile lasgun

[lunar sedge]

Lacerate sucks anyway when Flash Tearer exists

[thorny gorge]

jay also maybe take this

its no longer bugged on ranged attacks

[lunar sedge]

Oh this is a good news

[tall torrent]

higher mobility, high crit scaling, instant sprint to fire, minimal suppression, high flak dmg

[thorny gorge]

i would also maybe take out the threat perk

[tall torrent]

u can also push hounds & bursters with it

[thorny gorge]

the recon isnt high threat to begin with

[lavish dove]

anyone knows if deadshot stops being applied to you if you run out of stamina but you don't stop aiming down sights?

wondering because i see ppl pick it with recon lasgun but you run out of stamina super fast with that gun

[thorny gorge]

also the stam curios are kinda troll

take 2 toughness ones

[real osprey]

sounds awesome ty

[thorny gorge]

and one stam

[cold berry]

Yeah I've considered it,
I took it so I could 'guarantee' myself uninterrupted boss killing time

[thorny gorge]

you get that anyway

[tall torrent]

u can start by taking grenade regen over 2 charge infiltrate

[thorny gorge]

lmao

[tall torrent]

nah, it's the best node for infiltrate

[thorny gorge]

for a recon las?

maybe

[cold berry]

Honestly I'm just so used to it at this point.
Why exactly is it troll?

[tall torrent]

10s of uninterrupted "do whatever u want"

it's flat out the best pick

[thorny gorge]

ima voc gamer

[cold berry]

to be honest I'm not overly fussed about regening Kraks

[thorny gorge]

???

bruh

[cold berry]

my DPS on crushers is around 2000

[thorny gorge]

same

i still take the restock

[grand perch]

it does stop when you run out of stam

[ebon prism]

what's the best regular lasgun now?

[tall torrent]

boss stagger, remove bulwarks, it's useful

[thorny gorge]

frees up the nade box for others

[tall torrent]

also take +1 grenade over the revive speed talent

revive speed talent is only maybe worth if u play smokes but even then it's a tossup

[cold berry]

Yeah I think you're right
I already am running x2 Infiltrate charges so the revive speed talent is a bit overkill

this build was more oriented towards pugging

if I was an pre-made team, I'd remove the 2nd Infiltrate charge
Keeps the tempo up

also, if I was in a pre-made team,
I'd 100% be using VoC
let's not kid ourselves here

[tall torrent]

I think u can get away with 1 infil charge with low profile being there

[thorny gorge]

VoC is better for pubs imo

it keeps the stupids alive

[cold berry]

Yeah it helps prevent wipes in the first place, I get it
but man it's just so boring lol

[thorny gorge]

Infiltrate just lets you kill things, plus it gives agro to said stupids

[cold berry]

and no one does objectives so I enjoy Infiltrating to do the objective

[tall torrent]

infil and exe are not as strong as voc but they have their uses

exe boltgun

infil is extremely strong for actually winning (obj in event, flank, special sniping)

[cold berry]

I think for me personally, Exe Stance is a complete write-off this patch,
unless you're obsessed with being a Krieg helbore user or potentially IAG / revolver

[tall torrent]

nah u can boltgun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=6702cd5f&is=67017bdf&hm=94daf9bc0ad0b6781ab5b84a8d5aeda3af66ba45a0402657518fdb52f75febba&

[thorny gorge]

does plasma work with exe?

[tall torrent]

yes but it's kind of weird (?)

like, if u play plasma in the first place, ur already building for 1hs breakpoints

and exe doesn't change bodyshot breakpoints that much

[thorny gorge]

ah

i see

[tall torrent]

it's not horrible because u do get a wallhack wallbang gun

there's no situation where that's objectively bad in an fps game

[thorny gorge]

but not optimal?

[tall torrent]

but u could be doing more interesting things

[cold berry]

I just find it too difficult to survive in pug games with Exe Stance

but yes everything could be solved with 'git gud'

[tall torrent]

practice melee fight different elites etc

and melee-only bosses

if ur melee fundamentals are good u can survive with any ability

[cold berry]

I can't whip out my gun to chain Exe Stances because of the endless poxwalkers and trash

[thorny gorge]

they fixed that

[tall torrent]

bring a melee that kills things then

[cold berry]

psword?

[tall torrent]

counting on stagger to make space doesn't work nearly as good as killing things to make space 90% the time

rashad

power sword is alr but it's buggy rn with activation

depends on how many points ur willing to invest into melee talents

[balmy flume]

I currently run Curios on Total Toughness + Combat Ability/Toughness +5%/Sniper resist…still valid?

[thorny gorge]

gunner is a bit better

[tall torrent]

do u have 200+ health

[balmy flume]

Lemme check, I don’t think so

[thorny gorge]

this is what i get

[tall torrent]

I recommend getting 200+ health and 20% sniper resist
everything else up to u

[thorny gorge]

why hp

and not toughness

[tall torrent]

extra toughness, extra health, gunner resist, stamina regen rate, sprint efficiency, all good choices

[balmy flume]

I went crazy on Toughness, I am at 231 T and 158 H lol

[tall torrent]

because it just does more in the long run

[thorny gorge]

3 toughness curios?

[tall torrent]

there are unlucky situations where u get shot by sniper or get hit by burster

would u rather have 200+ health and survive multiple hits from these

or have a load of toughness so u can tank shotgunners

I think the answer is pretty simple

[thorny gorge]

toughness becuase my team cant deal with shotgunners

[tall torrent]

extra health also means u don't get hurt by grims as much

[thorny gorge]

all i know is if snipers are hitting people, im not doing my job

[split grove]

Which dagger for vet?

[tall torrent]

VI

[split grove]

Riposte uncanny?

[tall torrent]

nah

[tall torrent]

works

[split grove]

Is it the one with the good push attack cleave?

[tall torrent]

if snipers are hitting people, it's positioning problem
which is not entirely to blame on veteran

every class should have special sniping tools

[tall torrent]

both III and VI's push atk have 6.5 cleave

[split grove]

Ah ok

Whats the difference between for this one vs the other

[thorny gorge]

lights and heavy chains

[tall torrent]

but VI has higher base attack speed, which leads to higher dps since they have the same breakpoints

VI also has sweeping heavy attacks that help with mixed hordes

[thorny gorge]

does III have better heavys?

[split grove]

Combo is light spam horde with some pushatks then heavy spam head for armors?

[tall torrent]

do mind that if u want to play knife on veteran, it requires a lot of talent spec

[split grove]

Talent spec is the crit and rending stuff on the right?

[tall torrent]

no, heavy & light mix for horde, push atk & heavy for single target

[tall torrent]

crit, finesse
u don't need rending for knife

u need attack speed & stamina regen related things

[thorny gorge]

i get 30% base crit with my knife

lmao

[tall torrent]

knife without atk speed doesn't feel good imo

[split grove]

+3 stam ?

[tall torrent]

preference

[split grove]

Ok

[tall torrent]

just get 200+ health and 20% sniper resist

doesn't matter how u get to it

[thorny gorge]

this is what i run for perks

[split grove]

Whats the light heavy combo for this knife

[tall torrent]

5% crit chance not worth

[split grove]

L1 h2?

[tall torrent]

ur better off running smth like carapace

[tall torrent]

H2 + L3 for horde

[thorny gorge]

im fishing for flesh tearer

[tall torrent]

reciprocity + riposte reaches 75% crit chance

u don't need that 5%

[thorny gorge]

ohhhh

you dont know

im a troll lmao

[split grove]

For heavy its h1 patk?

[thorny gorge]

im running the shit knife

[split grove]

For armors

[tall torrent]

H1 / H2 + PA, spam PA until enemy dead

[split grove]

Ok

Any special anti rager shit

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=6702da23&is=670188a3&hm=04a08a232ae6018885cd620fc969aa6f19bc73848347ba0d3e33e31a82293aeb&

[tall torrent]

yea, u bring a gun

[split grove]

Lol what did i just see

🗿

[tall torrent]

u can knife fight 2 ragers with relative ease

rager groups, use grenades & gun to thin them out

[split grove]

I’ll just bring vraks since im running reci anyway

[thorny gorge]

try out a recon las build if you doing crit

[split grove]

I do wanna try those

[thorny gorge]

shock trooper refunds its ammo

i do infernus-headhunter

but others like infernus-dumdum

[split grove]

The recon las fastest firerate variant is midrange shredder of things?

[thorny gorge]

ye

[split grove]

Can u actually hit snipers with it?

[thorny gorge]

yea

[split grove]

Pull down or short burst it

For vraks i legit tap it

[thorny gorge]

no recoil

[tall torrent]

XII

[thorny gorge]

it moves side to side more than up and down

[split grove]

Oo ok

I’ll try it out

[thorny gorge]

this is what i do to reapers

[stray nebula]

Can you speak more on this? I've noticed I've been having trouble dealing with hordes with my power sword lately, and I think it's because of this.

[tall torrent]

it sometimes doesn't activate properly

[stray nebula]

I see. What's a good alternative until that's fixed?

[tall torrent]

rashad III combat axe

[viral swallow]

Rashad with bromentum is incredible, but it's not quite the same hordekiller that the power sword is

[earnest bone]

@tall torrenti did a quick roll with Carapace + Elite rashad, while it's something i would definitely use for Scab only MS, it felt less attractive to me in other situations, where i was using FLK/MNC, like losing shotgunners oneshot, sometimes 4hit on rager, etc. Operating at 45+% critrate with Rec isn't hard and that's where i felt the difference. (there's agile engagement in play too, but i always use it)

[tall torrent]

yea, it's better

[tall torrent]

it's 3 hit ragers tho

[viral swallow]

I prefer it because it's more flexible

[tall torrent]

and shotgunner 1hs is mostly just crit dependent?

u could get there with CQKZ / Marksman active as well

[earnest bone]

it should be a noncrit on flak one

[viral swallow]

but it doesn't obliterate an entire horde in one horizontal sweep like the power sword used to

[tall torrent]

then u swap elite to flak

works

[viral swallow]

rashad is strong because it's good at everything

[tall torrent]

rashad clears every horde type faster than power sword rn

[earnest bone]

i didnt test that

[viral swallow]

with a rashad and a plasma gun there is no problem you cannot solve

[tall torrent]

launch power sword was smth else

but rn, rashad is essentially power sword but always active

[viral swallow]

yeah that's why I said 'used to'

[balmy flume]

Yep, 17/17/16

[tall torrent]

downside is costing more melee talents to run so u can't afford it in every single build

[broken spade]

weak
go get your 3rd 17%

[viral swallow]

my only issue with rashad is the lack of horizontal attacks besides the pushsweep

but I'd say it's still my favorite vet melee weapon

[earnest bone]

they are somewhat manageable as "horizontals"

look at Achlys

that abomination is heavy 1 or push attack

[tall torrent]

[balmy flume]

Ok not to be a Whale but…
A bolt pistol skin of OLD MAN YARRICK’S BOLT PISTOL

[split grove]

For mkvi knife what does the punch do

[tall torrent]

remind the enemies of mankind that you're the emperor's fist
or smth, idk

[unborn perch]

So what is the crowd favorite shock maul? Seems to me mk 3 is decent.

[tall torrent]

III

[tall torrent]

I'd buy it if it had the mastery skin's iron sights

[balmy flume]

Supposed to have stunning property…

[tall torrent]

but the mastery skin's sights are just better

[balmy flume]

Unlocked the mastery but haven’t tried it (only upgraded game and inventory/weapon management as family is visiting).
Looking forwards to the improved ironsights.

I guess the skin is proper for a Forge World skin after all lol.

[tall torrent]

vs base

mastery skin's iron sights are just so much better

[balmy flume]

Agreed, I see why

The colour difference actually highlights it better.

[orchid hemlock]

Do u need recip on it anymore? 🤔

[tall torrent]

I play reciprocity on rashad since they "fixed" how it works from ranged attacks

so u can actually stay at ~40% crit chance on it in combat

there just aren't many things in this game that a 40% crit chance rashad cannot solve

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but I'm asking if it needs it

[tall torrent]

well no, but it benefits from it quite a bit

[orchid hemlock]

Like let's say u have a build with no right side nodes

Is it better to go PS/Shovel in that instance?

[tall torrent]

yea

cuz rashad still needs the 10% atk speed node

lol

[split grove]

Is mkvi combat knife the one with the zooming heavies

Or does mk3 also make ur heavies give u movespeed too

[tall torrent]

both knives' heavy attacks boost move speed

approximately equal

[split grove]

Feels like preference

[tall torrent]

well, VI has better horde & better single target dps

[orchid hemlock]

Heavy knife?

[tall torrent]

pretty much a flat upgrade

[split grove]

Sure i rather horde clear with some combos rather than light spam anyway

[orchid hemlock]

U mean the objectively better knife?

[weak cape]

Has anyone else had a glitch with the hellbore? I just had it changing between the marks IIIa and V during the last mission I played.

[umbral scaffold]

lol?

[weak cape]

It was really weird.

[earnest bone]

What glitch? Non-readable stats?

never heard about weapon

changing its marks tbh (by itself)

unless you use Psykanium mod, that could bug out

[outer wolf]

Guys, is serrated blade worth for a no keystone build, shovel as melee?

[tame lodge]

Not with shovel

[earnest bone]

Mercy Killer knife worth it

[tame lodge]

If it was a mercy killer knife.....

[earnest bone]

otherwise i'd say no

[outer wolf]

I see, thanks. Any mercy killer build that is worth checking out?

[hollow current]

whats the best bolter build for vet?

[lavish dove]

ok good, ty good to know

[thorny gorge]

The heretics fear the flesh tearer lacerate knife

[deft crystal]

I heard thhat was bbad

[velvet estuary]

idk why but I love running the sprint fire blessing with the bolt pistol

just feels fantastic

[narrow bay]

I prefer the based irons but with the candle skin to light up the iron sights

[idle swallow]

did some qp normal damnnation with a friend who hasn't played for a bit and of course our 2 pub teammates are sub level 30 people who have never heard the concept of blocking or dodging

some things never change

[deft crystal]

playying this game with any lag or stutteriing is so noticeable

[radiant adder]

Anyone rock chainaxe / double barrel / weapon specialist build?

I love the auto reload thing.

[cold berry]

matches can be easier in auric qp because better player pools

(can be)

[deft crystal]

what doo I run oon rashhad

[thorny gorge]

It is

But

Its funny

Especially with focus target

[deft crystal]

Testing a voc build that focuses on melee

Ok

these are the nodes

Rip my insides out

I want every criticism

[somber axle]

idk it's very hit or miss lately

[cold berry]

no Iron Will?

[somber axle]

feels like it depends on when you hop on to play

sometimes you get a squad who just falls over in 5 minutes and you're playing alone until you get revives

there are definitely a lot more people confident they can step into aurics now with the new system giving them better gear

but they need more practice with it

[cold berry]

the way most people learn is by limit testing unfortuntaely
so it's just part of the game to have newbs join (imo)

pretty sure it's also how evolution + ML + AI etc. works as well lol

[somber axle]

yeah but there are so many of them learning all at once now

it is painful

[cold berry]

looool

[lilac mesa]

does the 33% crit chance from weapon specialist apply to the next amount of shots equal to the stacks? or does it give like 33% per stack, up to 330%? (which i dont think makes sense sorry might be a dumb question)

[somber axle]

yeah it's 33% per stack now

[lilac mesa]

wait

[somber axle]

it used to be bugged and 1 stack would grant 100% but it got fixed

[lilac mesa]

so how does that calculate

is it just after 4 stacks it just doesnt do anything?

[somber axle]

after 3 stacks you're pretty much at a guaranteed crit

any stacks beyond it doesn't really change the crit

[fiery moss]

Or people like me that used to run aurics but stopped playing for a while and realizing only now that I'm not used to some of the changes in talents/weapons or the darktide "dance" 😂

[deft crystal]

yeah At thhe top I also changed it so I go down the middle two right

[somber axle]

I feel that

[lilac mesa]

cool ty!

[somber axle]

I fell into FF14 for a bit and came back very rusty

[fiery moss]

I keep forgetting to push because that's in like no other game I've played

And then on my psyker I'm trying new weapons besides the FS and I keep blowing my brain up because I can't quell on... non-force weapons.

[earnest bone]

[somber axle]

I think we've had a trickle of players funneling back and forth between Space Marine 2

[deft crystal]

Im one

bbecause like

sm2 is fun

but operatiions

[fiery moss]

I'm one too

[deft crystal]

is repetitive

[somber axle]

I do SM2 whenever friends drag me into multiplayer shenanigans

[fiery moss]

Operations are so bone dry and boring

yeah

[deft crystal]

and pvp offers a lot

[fiery moss]

I can't play operations with a random group

[deft crystal]

withh friends

[somber axle]

it's just really fun but I tend to do Darktide if I'm solo

[fiery moss]

Darktide random groups are still doable

yeah agreed

[deft crystal]

but thats what makes sm2 fun

you can walk away

and pick it back up

anytime

[fiery moss]

And come back to Darktide

[somber axle]

Seeing the little guardsmen running around always makes me want to play Darktide instead

[fiery moss]

that

is kinda what brought me back

and the itemization rework

The itemization rework and skills tree rework are what DT needed to have been at launch 🫠

[somber axle]

also the funny shenanigans of people saying we could take on chaos space marines and then seeing that space marines can just casually run through normal people by accident and mulch them into paste

the Tyranids really put things into perspective LOL

[fiery moss]

...and then not being able to do that to gaunts..

[tall torrent]

nah DT characters can definitely take on space marines

[somber axle]

maybe an Ogryn could get knocked around by a space marine running and not instantly die

[tall torrent]

With some specialized equipment, it’s doable

[somber axle]

idk I think if a charging space marine in full sprint ran into any of the Darktide characters short of an Ogryn they're pasted

[fiery moss]

I just have a lot of issues with bulletsponge enemies in SM2

[somber axle]

that's a lot of metal at a high speed

it is dodge or die

[fiery moss]

And the weapons and combat don't feel as impactful/chonky

[somber axle]

and they're much, much faster

[fiery moss]

Like the bolter in SM2 feels like a pea shooter, in darktide the first time I fired one I went "whoa"

[somber axle]

I think I remember reading that their casual run is faster than the best Usain Bolt has ever been recorded at top speed

[tall torrent]

DT is canon therefore a veteran being able to stop a plague Ogryn’s charge shouldn’t be that much different from stopping a space marine’s charge

[somber axle]

that's very tricky to dodge vs the slower things we fight now

[fiery moss]

or being swallowed by a beast of nurgle.. LOL

[tall torrent]

The difference is that getting swallowed by BoN in DT can’t kill u

So you’re already built incredibly different

[somber axle]

yeah we probably should not survive that LOL

I think that's just game mechanics?

I get that there's some level of leeway with avoiding disease by sheer willpower

[atomic zephyr]

i mean we shouldnt be surviving getting hit by a lasgun more than a few times

[distant crow]

we are in need of vermintide 3

[somber axle]

but that is a horrible disease slug digesting someone

[tall torrent]

Factor into everything DT characters can do and you’ll see that they can 100% take on normal chaos space marines and win

[somber axle]

to come out alive is wild LOL

[distant crow]

idea.. vermintide 3 with orks

and new playable race like halfling

[atomic zephyr]

ehhh, dunno, i don't actually like vermintide 2 that much

braces for tomato throwing

[distant crow]

yhe u better do

[somber axle]

I think if you take a dedicated squad of 4 Auric level operatives and put them against a single unnamed chaos space marine they have a chance

if it's 4v4 it's over

and the chaos space marines stomp no contest

tbh anything more than 1 chaos space marine is likely instant death

[atomic zephyr]

it just feels too clunky to me + not enough guns :(

[somber axle]

seeing some of the crazy shenanigans in multiplayer weaponry of space marines vs what Darktide operatives get access too is insane

we can tank the shots of Moebian troops

no one is surviving a meltagun blast from a space marine

[atomic zephyr]

full size melta gun vs some dude's old lasgun dragged out of a trash pile

[frank monolith]

but we have yellow toughness

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun in DT breaks all ur toughness in 1 shot

[somber axle]

homeless man with a shovel fighting in the trash challenges genetically mutated supersoldier in the most advanced power armour equipped with the most powerful weaponry of mankind

[tall torrent]

So u’d be able to survive one Melta shot at the minimum

[fiery moss]

I mean I have issues with SM2's representation of a melta

[somber axle]

is this like gameplay mechanics vs gameplay mechanics

or lore vs lore

because couldn't Space Marines just parry literally every strike a Darktide operative attempts

and with minimal effort

[tall torrent]

Nah

[fiery moss]

Mechanics.

[tall torrent]

He’d get stagger locked

[fiery moss]

Why is a melta useless against single targets

and instead a glorified shotgun?

[somber axle]

there's the Ciaphas Caine thing where he lost a duel with a Space Marine but he managed to get a nice gash across the breastplate of the Space Marine and they thought he was really cool for managing to get off a hit

[tall torrent]

DT is canon so everything that happens in DT is canon

[somber axle]

idk if we're on the same level of named 40k heroes of the Imperium tbh

we do some very wild things

[tall torrent]

No but it is considered “canon”

[somber axle]

1v1 dueling a space marine doesn't feel realistic

4v1 maybe

[tall torrent]

4v1 win is entirely possible & very likely

[somber axle]

I could sorta see it if we get fire support from the 53rd or 21st

we've got tanks, we could lure a chaos space marine into position for something with more firepower to put them down

bonking them with a shovel is probably not going to work LOL

one of the biggest things that came up with friends recently is like

take the Darktide rejects and put the 4 of them in Space Marine 2

they're going to die 100%

[austere mica]

If we were to fight a marine we could just pull up with a kraks plasma ps vet, thunder hammer zealot, branx pick ogryn, and basically any psyker

[somber axle]

put the Space Marines into Darktide and they absolutely clean up here much easier vs the Tyranids

they can just walk through the vast majority of enemies that exist in Darktide

this is also Nurgle so it'd be Death Guard and aren't they particularly difficult to kill among chaos space marines

[austere mica]

tough 5 instead of tough 4

about it

[radiant adder]

Yeah tbh with the feats we got as players in Darktide we could handle a space marine.

[austere mica]

anything I just listed would largely disregard it

[tall torrent]

Thousand years of warfare experience getting stagger locked by kraks and killed in 20 seconds by 4 veterans with Rashad

[radiant adder]

Since we can nuke daemonhosts / beasts of nurgle like it's nothing.

[austere mica]

2 or so kraks is more than enough to outright kill them

[cold berry]

yes we can kill chaos spawns
how do these compare to a space marine?

[somber axle]

4 Vets all throwing Kraks into a Daemonhost is still the funniest thing to do in Darktide LMFAO

but idk if we could stagger lock them

it takes a lot for us to stagger the bigger beasties here

maybe stagger them briefly

but trapping them in stagger to death sounds improbable

[tall torrent]

Better comparison is plague ogryn
Bigger, tougher, spreads disease

[austere mica]

Live VoC reaction (you are literally just yelling really loud)

[somber axle]

make it so if you VoC them off a ledge they just use their jump pack to leap back up

[errant sable]

sees 4 zealots running into a slide with ds at him

[somber axle]

can't kill them with cheese

Plague Ogryns are incredibly slow though

[jolly bay]

is the shattering impact icon broken

[somber axle]

they don't have training, equipment, speed, etc.

they just have the size and strength

the parry/counter mechanic in SM2 feels really cool for playing at the insane reflexes Space Marines have without slowing down gameplay with slow-mo scenes

[atomic zephyr]

as far as i know (i've never played either) its just a repeat of the melta from SM1

so i guess they wanted to keep it consistent

i wish it was a beam weapon or something

short ranged beam

[fiery moss]

It really should be a "fuck you delete what's in front of you"

But also bolt weapons shouldn't feel so puny lol

[tame lodge]

So
Changing Power Cycler to slaughterer

Wait

Wrath on psword is 50% per stack?!?!?

[fiery moss]

Not like you really need it tho?

[tame lodge]

I know, that's not what I'm getting at

Thought they buffed Wrath for a second

[fiery moss]

oh

[tame lodge]

Every other Wrath goes to 40%

Huh

Yeah the psword one is different

[fiery moss]

Does survivalist proc mulitple times if you have multiple vets around?

I'm guessing not right?

[tame lodge]

Yeah it doesn't stack

[fiery moss]

Figured as much

Kinda feels like a waste when there's multiple vets with that aura lol

[thorny gorge]

[forest maple]

Random question but, does anyone know if enabling anisotropic filtering to x16 in nvidia control panel actually work and imrove visuals in Darktide?

[fiery moss]

What's the dump stat for a bolter?

Collateral I'm guessing?

[forest maple]

mobility i think?

[tall torrent]

No, cannot stack

[red robin]

Idk, staggering shields can be nutty

[forest maple]

i know collateral is the dump on the bolt pistol but i think mobility is the one on the bolter

[tall torrent]

Boltgun - mobility
Bolt pistol - collateral

[still pollen]

Does suppression affect boltgun or bolt pistol accuracy?

[fiery moss]

Wait, why mobility for bolter?

Do we care about stagger that much?

[forest maple]

because after you get 51%+ mobility, you reach the maximum amount of dodges and thats all you care about

[fiery moss]

ahhh

[forest maple]

the spint speed and dodge distance are minimal and dont matter

[tame lodge]

Pinning Fire value I guess

[forest maple]

and that ^

[fiery moss]

But Pinning Fire is affected by how many targets you stagger, whereas collateral is how much they are staggered?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding how that stat works

also wait lol, when did darktide add loadouts?

I didn't realize that that was a thing

[thorny gorge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cf52d-7eaf-49b6-b306-570ddad3e85b/bad-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

rate build plz

[edgy dew]

https://i.gyazo.com/a4912146f54b1d6b3d00148c074945d3.png this is considered bis for infantry lasguns yeah? want the lower stopping power

[orchid hemlock]

Crit hit chance

Cringe make it block efficiency

[thorny gorge]

Must fish

Blocking is for nerds

[thorny gorge]

Mobi

Is a better dump stat

But i believe thats still good

[snow oriole]

dump stat for shredder autopistol. is it collateral or movement?

[frank ether]

movement probably

collateral usually is a dump stat but Idk what autopistol even has to offer besides mediocre suppression past breathing distance

[tame lodge]

Shredder Auto Pistol is the dump

Kek

[frank ether]

I love that I'm dumping on the shredder 7/24

but I kinda like using it

I like the idea of the gun I guess

[plucky cypress]

The inglorious Basterds gun

[frank ether]

at least with the exe buffs

its kinda not that bad on vet

[plucky cypress]

Spray your enemy full of holes while they comically flail back and forth

[snow oriole]

what are the most popular guns now?

whats the dump stat for brace autogun?

[plucky cypress]

Recon lasguns, infantry autoguns and revolvers

[snow oriole]

whats the dump stat for recon lasguns?

[plucky cypress]

stability is what i've heard

[errant sable]

I went with collateral

[snow oriole]

some people say its usually always collateral

since movement helps you survive

while other people say you max dodge count at 51% mobility and the distance barely matters

[tawdry jackal]

anyone got a solid right side build handy: infiltrate and weapons specialist?

[tall torrent]

For recon Lasguns specifically, collateral is a bigger dump than mobility because it basically makes no difference

[snow oriole]

u mean the stagger doesnt matter so u prefer to keep mobility?

[tall torrent]

Recon Lasguns have innately very low stagger & suppression that having it be a bit higher from getting higher collateral stat doesn’t make a noticeable difference

However, mobility directly affects your movement speeds

Including your ADS movement speed

Which imo is a bigger “good feeling” contributor in a first person game with guns

[snow oriole]

what about infantry lasgun. would you drop mobility instead?

[tall torrent]

Yea cuz the other stats contribute more

Damage & stopping power improve ur dps

Stability is recoil & sway

Which kind of does matter for longer ranged shots

Ammo is obvious

[snow oriole]

i used to sacrifice a bit of ammo on some guns

but i guess thats a bad idea

so its always gonna be collateral or mobility

hellbore lasgun is probably stability though right? since its naturally very accurate

[broken gazelle]

finally got around to working on power sword mastery
I don't like using this

[snow oriole]

what about brace autogun? do u keep stability or mobility

[tall torrent]

Stability

For a gun that doesn’t shoot straight, reducing spread size helps

[snow oriole]

ok thanks

[hearty panther]

not sure actually

mobility is also an accuracy stat

[tall torrent]

will need to check

[hearty panther]

ye

[snow oriole]

what about shredder autopistol, sorry if i already asked earlier

[tame lodge]

Just dodge and push often

[broken gazelle]

Oh yea I do that anyways

just gotta get used to a slower weapon after using faster ones

[tall torrent]

mobility

[broken gazelle]

Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum probably the best choice

[snow oriole]

drop mobility? because stagger actually matters for shredder?

[tall torrent]

kinda yea

[errant sable]

what's the preferred helbore?

[snow oriole]

ive been told that the super slow heavy one isnt really worth it

ur better off using the faster 2 variants due to break points

and ammo consumption

and having to do partial charges for the heavy one is annoying

otherwise it overkills

[errant sable]

I see

blessings/perks? my friend used it and had the worst time of their life with it

wanna try it myself

[snow oriole]

the chaining charge speed reduction one is non negotiable

flak maniac i assume

weight of fire and no respite

im 95% sure

[tame lodge]

Surgical

You really want the Crit

Check adms

[snow oriole]

anyone know the perk blessing for recon lasguns?

[tall torrent]

V
Unarmored + maniac
Blessings can vary, most simple is surgical + weight of fire

[gilded wraith]

Does Desperado on the laspistol trigger off ranged dodges from Ghost?

[tribal pelican]

so how are people getting boss ending dps on the bolter?

[ebon kernel]

Bleeds

[tribal pelican]

Ah okay so no room for that in my build it seems

[ebon kernel]

I could be wrong, but that bleed perk looks like it stacks quick

[errant sable]

it charges fast for the V, is weight really needed?

and ty!

[hearty panther]

if you cant actually acquire and line up a shot within the reduced charge time then strictly speaking no, it's not needed

i dont fucken know these new mark names tbh but the fast/weak one is honestly a pretty good contender for Sustained Fire + Surgical

was anyone psychotic enough to test out the new falter changes yet

[pseudo fiber]

it depends,
headhunter, infernus, deathsplitter and dumdum are all used
I personally use deathsplitter dumdum

perk wise flak crit chance

[snow oriole]

i was wondering if i should go the old infernus route or standard deathspitter dumdum (straight damage)

[tall torrent]

This is perfect

[snow oriole]

which variant do you use?

[tall torrent]

XIV

Because I’m a dedicated onslaught hater

[snow oriole]

whats that mean

[tall torrent]

I don’t like using onslaught talent

[snow oriole]

ah

whats the dump stat for shotguns and plasma rifle? thermal resistance ? and mobility or stability?

[umbral parrot]

I'm just going to say it. This sucks nuts.

[snow oriole]

can someone give me a good talent build

[umbral parrot]

Depends, what you want, and weapons.

[orchid hemlock]

if u stack uncanny + exploit weakness + onslaught + bleed knife

then COPIUM

[floral hearth]

isnt brittleness teamwide as well

seems like a great support talent to have

[umbral parrot]

I don't know, i just feel like you should not rely on your team so much. Need to nuke down stuff on your own for the most.

[orchid hemlock]

Both onslaught and EW only procs on one target at a time

Like yes assuming everyone is hitting the same target at the same time then it can be concisered a "support" tool

But in practice this only really happens when you are fighting a boss

[thorny gorge]

Try out a mobi dump one as well

Sometimes the rager stagger from 80 collat is nice

[orchid hemlock]

Brittleness in general is also worse stacking than rending

[thorny gorge]

Eh

Brittleness lets your team benefit

[orchid hemlock]

Nah fuck the team, play what I am targeting isn't always going to be what the team is targeting