veteran-class

[thorny gorge]

Lmao

[red robin]

Yeah something like that

[thorny gorge]

So its just p2w garbo

[plucky linden]

What would be a dump stat for Hellbore crit build? Stability or charge rate? (Since you need to build up crits anyway)

[thorny gorge]

Stab maybe

[red robin]

Stability

It ain’t even that bad ngl

[thorny gorge]

Yea

Max dmg and ammo

Max stopping power ontop

I think its solid

[plucky linden]

gonna grab it then.
have also this recon lasgun in the shop, i guess mobility is a dump for them? Or is it stab again?

[thorny gorge]

Perfect roll

[plucky linden]

ic, ty

[thorny gorge]

Plz grab

[plucky linden]

did.
Still waiting for that bolter or plasma, oh well.

though mine is not too bad.

[thorny gorge]

With recon las tho basically all it needs is max dmg and ammo

But that thing really good

Whats the dump on the bolter?

Mobi or stab?

[bright cliff]

ayo peddlerbot offers good shit in the store now???

nobody told me

[rose gale]

got 59 instead of 60 in mobol, basically worthless

[terse idol]

it's good

[terse idol]

always dump mobi

I guess the question at the end of the day is like

Will it change anything if you had equal parts mobi and stab

But max damage and ammo

proobably not I think

[full nacelle]

ok guys here me out

vraks 3 vigilant autogun

with marksman's focus and camoflauge

the slide sniper

could be funny

possibly even goofy?

[frank ether]

stability but you could live with ammo dump too

[wind patio]

I actually like dumping collat because stagger isn't at all important for recon imo... sometimes even detrimental.

[thorny gorge]

Thats my current gun

[wind patio]

Most of the time the things you wanna lock down like gunners/reapers just get suppressed anyways. Ragers don't care either way most of the time.

[exotic birch]

What is plasma gun dump stat?

[rose gale]

not 100% sure but i think thermal resist ?

or maybe charge rate, idk i don't use it much

[blissful cliff]

It doesn't have one

Pretty sure it's the one weapon that doesn't have a dump stat

[viral swallow]

you want 69% thermal resist and 71% charge time

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have one

[exotic birch]

Ok thank you

[viral swallow]

gives you breakpoint for another shot before overheating

[thorny gorge]

Does it have to be exact?

[west cave]

how do you even build around plasma, I cant wrap my head around it

its my worst performing gun

[thorny gorge]

Exe i think

[viral swallow]

I mean if you have more than 69% thermal resist you'll still hit the breakpoint, it'll just be wasted stats

[west cave]

I understand the mechanics around plasma but cant utilize it

properly

[wind patio]

I'm pretty sure it's still uncharged shot spam

[viral swallow]

just use it like any other gun

yeah

don't charge it, aim for the head, click

[thorny gorge]

Bruh

[west cave]

then it just feels like a worse bolter

[wind patio]

noooo

[thorny gorge]

Its not tho lmao

[wind patio]

What it has over the bolter is staying power

[west cave]

its my own issue of skill

[viral swallow]

bolter doesn't pierce basically infinitely until it hits a slab shield, lol

[tall torrent]

I bought a 70 charge rate 70 thermal resist plasma
Empowered it a couple times
And now it’s at 69 charge rate 71 thermal resist
With it going lower to 68 if I continue to empower

[verbal burrow]

Now, I know that no one has done this in three years because the thing is trash, but if you were going to do an Infantry Lasgun build, what blessings/perks would you go for on the Kantrael?

[tall torrent]

Holy shit I’m actually mad

[viral swallow]

bolter cannot take out 9 ragers in one shot

[wind patio]

You can keep shooting

And never reload during an extended fight

[west cave]

ik

Im just having a massive skill issue with it

[blissful cliff]

[verbal burrow]

plasma gun can tho

[viral swallow]

that's what I'm saying lol

[thorny gorge]

Take it into heresy and throw your games lmao

[glad temple]

How should I set up a hellbore lasgun

[tall torrent]

I’m just gonna report and ask if they can give my weapon back

[thorny gorge]

Best way to learn

[west cave]

I already do that 😭

[thorny gorge]

Keep it up

[tall torrent]

I’ve spent way too much rolling for plasma I deserve a good one

[obsidian plover]

Shit no longer go thru bulwark

That's just sad

[blissful cliff]

I gave up on it

[thorny gorge]

Also i think plasma gets better the higher you go

[blissful cliff]

I don't even like the plasma that much

[west cave]

so does bolter

[blissful cliff]

Fuck trying to get a god one lmao

[viral swallow]

plasma is just way more flexible tbh

[verbal burrow]

Plasma is based

[viral swallow]

I want to love the bolter, but it just doesn't feel as strong in as many places

[west cave]

I have the inverse situation with plasma

[thorny gorge]

@west cave copy this

[west cave]

I want to love the plasma, but bolter just feels stronger

[west cave]

will do

[verbal burrow]

Remember that you won't explode like a psyker as long as you don't interact with the RMB

in fact being in the high 90% heat percentile means +20% weapon strength and +50% crit chance

[west cave]

I wish you could overcharge lasgun power packs

[verbal burrow]

You can

[west cave]

you can?

[viral swallow]

when I play bolter I feel like I spend 50% of the time reloading

plasma gun I can just keep whipping out to onetap enemies as needed through a whole fight

[thorny gorge]

Bolter pistol my beloved

[viral swallow]

and never reload it

[blissful cliff]

Me but with the bolt pistol instead

[west cave]

theres a perk at the top of the tree that reduces reload by like 25 or 30 percent if you killed an elite, which you trigger in 95% of reloads on higher difficulties

[viral swallow]

I'm aware, lol

[west cave]

and a flat reload speed buff right next to it

ah oka

[deft crystal]

is plasma gun still the bbest overall?

[thorny gorge]

No?

[viral swallow]

there's no 'best'

[west cave]

dont think so

[deft crystal]

its single and croowd control+1 shots everything

[thorny gorge]

Meta is kinda what ever clears hordes well

[west cave]

there is, however, the 'worst'

[wind patio]

I don't take it because I have no room past all of the necessary perks. 20% damage over distance alleviates damage falloff tremendously.

[viral swallow]

plasma is extremely good, but so is recon, new bolt pistol

[thorny gorge]

I wont stop running flesh tearer- lacerate

[wind patio]

Also is smoke grenade still being slept on

[west cave]

I think smoke falls short bcs not everyone in your group will play around it

[viral swallow]

I feel like smoke grenade is still a victim of survival aura being so good

[verbal burrow]

Plasma gun is the only gun I know that will go through everything except Bulwark shields and the edge of the map. That includes being the only Veteran weapon which goes through solid cover, which synergizes very well with the Marksman ability

The electric pixie tells you were the guy is, and you can just shoot through the concrete pillar or crate to tap him

[thorny gorge]

What melee do you recommend for plasma

[viral swallow]

pathing from smoke to survival takes an extra wasted point, so you're kinda priced into movespeed aura

[wind patio]

I genuinely feel the opposite. Smoke grenade is so good that you'd still take it over the others.

[verbal burrow]

I use this because I find the light chain good for hordes and the heavy attack good for pairing with rev up

[west cave]

maybe thats why plasma doesnt click for me, I dont have marksman

[wind patio]

Smoke grenade is an infinite HP psyker bubble: change my mind

[west cave]

I build around shout and tons of armor + team support

[verbal burrow]

once you gain the ability to see through walls, being able to shoot through walls gains appeal

[viral swallow]

you don't need marksman for it to be good tbh

[verbal burrow]

That's the main build I run too and I still use plasma

I can still cleave like 25% of a horde if they're coming down a corridor and slaughter lines of berserkers

[west cave]

I thought of giving it a try but felt like the other tree was better

[viral swallow]

with 80% damage, superiority/bring it down/precision strikes are generally all you need to hit breakpoints

[verbal burrow]

Why not both?

[west cave]

not enough points

[verbal burrow]

But you can do this

[thorny gorge]

Dire, how often do you set up good line of sight?

[west cave]

ik

[deft crystal]

You build around shout. Then go with ability CD foor your curioos

[red fox]

Is the bolt rifle poo, and can someone convince me that it's great cuz i love it and want to keep using it 🥹

[deft crystal]

Fiind corridor mark it

[verbal burrow]

My first build is shouty squad leader,
My second build is plasma marksman,
My third build is pure meme accatran glasscannon

[deft crystal]

retreat to it

[thorny gorge]

Plasma requires bit of setup

[viral swallow]

it can be good if you build around it

[red fox]

i heard palsma is a better bolter but i didn't really enjoy it

[west cave]

which is what I never have

[red fox]

also it felt worse ammo and heat management wise

[wind patio]

Like, why would anyone run krak when there's so many options that kill heavy targets like, instantly.
The only competitor for grenades is frag really.

[red fox]

I'm not 30 yet but what does building around it entail

[thorny gorge]

Setup?

[deft crystal]

did u bbuild aroound infinite ammo>

[west cave]

ye

[thorny gorge]

Try

[west cave]

would

[thorny gorge]

Then come back

[viral swallow]

it means you want to plan your talents around it

so with the bolter, the weaknesses are reload speed and ammo economy

so you want to shore those up with talents

[west cave]

ammo economy on bolter isnt that bad

[deft crystal]

Can anyone fix my build

[viral swallow]

it's not that good either, lol

[west cave]

true

[thorny gorge]

What build you doing

[red fox]

it's just so fun to punch a fuckin hole in a special with one shot

[full nacelle]

I'd love to! Pass it this way and let me know what you're going for

[viral swallow]

plasma can kill nearly every special in one headshot on damnation

uncharged

[thorny gorge]

[west cave]

not home atm

[viral swallow]

and also the three specials and 12 poxwalkers behind them

the real value of the plasma is the penetration

[thorny gorge]

Mb not you lmao

[red fox]

See i keep hearing that but i just used it for the first time yesterday and it didn't feel as fun

maybe im using it wrong

[west cave]

said my name tho

eh

[viral swallow]

well fun is subjective, I find it very fun but if you don't enjoy it, don't use it

[wind patio]

You can also supplement its weaknesses by focusing your specialization in a way that makes Bolter a utility rather than a secondary weapon, like a "grenade" of sorts.

[verbal burrow]

I actually find that the legs of the enemy are suprisingly often also a one shot

[viral swallow]

every gun is viable on damnation

and anyone who tells you otherwise is crutching

[west cave]

even autopistol?

[tall torrent]

No

[thorny gorge]

Greys are viable in damnation

[viral swallow]

sure, you'll just have to do more melee than shooting lol

[tall torrent]

It’s not horde clear

[wind patio]

wasn't autopistol borderline overpowered at one point

[deft crystal]

spammingg it down on maelstrom seems too work

[verbal burrow]

I've got a frag grenade and a chainsword for horde clear tho

[thorny gorge]

Yea

It was everywhere

[red fox]

i need to get better at that, im getting more comfortable on Malice now but still get crunched on melee here and there

[tall torrent]

It’s just not made for horde clear

[viral swallow]

just do a few matches focusing almost exclusively on melee

[verbal burrow]

What weapon do you use?

[deft crystal]

My bbuild and weapon are up in chat. Tear it apart peeps

[viral swallow]

get comfortable with the fundamentals and especially the rhythm of dodging

[thorny gorge]

Learn to dodge slide

[plucky linden]

what blessings for a marksman bolter?
I assume Pinning Fire goes there by default, and... Glory Hunter? Surgical?

[red fox]

power sword right now, i didn't love the chainsword btu again could jsut be using it wrong

[west cave]

chain axe is nice

[red fox]

im getting more used to dodging side to side more when melee-ing a hrode now

[wind patio]

Anyways, I like using Bolter as a "grenade" where I use it much like you'd use krak grenades. Full auto into a group of powerful enemies will decimate or at least severely weaken and disrupt them.

[final hamlet]

Dueling sword for hordes is quite nice 🤔

[thorny gorge]

You can slide at the end of a dodge

[red fox]

haven't had the luck

[viral swallow]

I like using the plasma as a gun, where I shoot into a group of powerful enemies and they all die of it

[verbal burrow]

There's two variants of chainsword. I find that the one with the higher mark number has a nicer move set. light attacking whilst dodging seems to do the trick a lot

[red fox]

Wild to use a gun as a gun

who are you, where did you learn such wisdom

[deft crystal]

The imagges are up

[viral swallow]

ok I'm joking but really, bolter is fun and fine don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[tall torrent]

It’s one of if not the worst horde clear option

[thorny gorge]

@red fox dragging also works in melee

[verbal burrow]

Plasma is very different from other guns

[viral swallow]

I just feel like the plasma gives you something no other gun on any other class can

[red fox]

yea no i got that down, i played mount and blade

[tall torrent]

Voidstrike on psyker

[red fox]

i know im just kidding, im really shit on it

[viral swallow]

when I see a line of 12 flak armor ragers on most classes, I get scared

on plasma vet, I get hungry

[last parcel]

stopping power’s too low and you’ll want elite perk for dreg gunners
longshot and volley adept are unnecessary
competitive urge is inconsistent
uh that’s kinda it

[west cave]

I find bolter more satisfying to use than plasma but I dont deny plasmas strength, I just suck at it

[final hamlet]

Really?
I have so far no horde problems with it, using the one with wide second heavy

[verbal burrow]

preach it brother

[plucky linden]

how important is this talent?

[full nacelle]

Plasma gun and knife, gotcha. Are you sold on using Born Leader or it it just there mostly for flavor? Born leader needs a specific kind of build for it to bring any value.

[red fox]

exaclty the same sentiment

[tall torrent]

Yea it just clears extremely slowly

[red fox]

also coming off SM2, the bolter is so sexy in this game

i can't help myself

[deft crystal]

just there for bursters

[viral swallow]

plasma will feel clunky if you're trying to use it as a primary weapon

[full nacelle]

On most builds it's nice but usually there are better talents to pick up

[deft crystal]

they can bbe inconsistent

[plucky linden]

you mean in Darktide, yes?

[viral swallow]

you'll overheat quickly and spend most of your time venting heat

[red fox]

Yea in darktide

terrible in SM

[wind patio]

The damage output of the bolter is superior to pretty much everything until the very moment you have to reload… which is extremely often.

[viral swallow]

just pull it out to kill armored enemies, specials, or clear a hole in hordes

[tall torrent]

Weapon dependent

[full nacelle]

Born Leader for bursters? Not sure I understand.

[plucky linden]

Marksman Bolter.

[tall torrent]

Not needed

[plucky linden]

ty

[final hamlet]

I tried Powersword, which feels slower to me, hmm

[viral swallow]

I like axe

[deft crystal]

o nvm one sec

[red fox]

the reload sound on the bolter in darktide is insane

the Chonk

[tribal pelican]

why do folks recomend the mk1 shovel over the mk7 the mk7 seems to have the same heavy attack pattern just with a signifigantly better sepcial

[last parcel]

toughness share

it’s not much but i use it for placebo

[tall torrent]

Without power cycler it’s not worth running
But that doesn’t change how duelling sword is flat out the worst horde clear on veteran and one of the worst in the game right next to Ogryn’s bully clubs

[rigid schooner]

so uh, how much did the skill tree change in UL&L?
i've gotten my psyker and ogryn situated but i guess i should start figuring out my vet, which was my least established character to begin with.

[viral swallow]

I like dueling sword for the drip

[frank ether]

but... my funny mk3 longsword..

[wind patio]

I like simply standing still with the dueling sword and looking cool doing it

It’s the most optimal way to play

[final hamlet]

Hmm, which would be best option?

[deft crystal]

what would i replace it with/

[tall torrent]

On veteran, Rashad combat axe

[viral swallow]

axe is love

axe is life

there is no problem that the axe cannot solve

[earnest bone]

Is it really? Well, at least with Weapon Specialist it feels pretty fine, but without WS, yeah, probably.

[last parcel]

only real option is for the emperor dmg boost

[wind patio]

Chain or default

[viral swallow]

combat axe

[deft crystal]

yea wat i was thinkingg

[final hamlet]

Combat axe, ok, will try, avoided it because of vermintide 2

[viral swallow]

rashad has a horizontal sweep block attack and strictly vertical heavies

[deft crystal]

thiis knife is nice

[viral swallow]

plus the special staggers everything in the game

[deft crystal]

but i gotta trade out lacerate for finese

[tall torrent]

Carapace + elite, brutal momentum + headtaker
Grab the 10% melee attack speed node on bottom right

[thorny gorge]

oh plz dont run fless tearer and lacerate

i do it for the memes

[last parcel]

oh there’s the other problem

[earnest bone]

spreading the filth

[deft crystal]

Wait flesh tearer or lacerate

[earnest bone]

where's the inquisitors

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer is better
Take riposte/uncanny over lacerate

[viral swallow]

brutal momentum is the gamechanger blessing tbh

[obsidian plover]

Lacerate is ass

[final hamlet]

What do they do?

[viral swallow]

once you get it, you start slicing like butter

[wind patio]

One of the rarest weapons to see. I never see axe users.

[thorny gorge]

bleed stacks

[deft crystal]

yyeah this was when we had the sloot machine lmao

[earnest bone]

Tactical axes - yes, but Rashad should be common

[viral swallow]

yeah I see a decent amount of axes out there

not as many as knives ofc

[wind patio]

There’s so few melee weapons where Bromentum isn’t the go to blessing

[viral swallow]

yeah turns out ignoring enemy hit mass is broken on everything that can do it lol

[deft crystal]

omfgg i forgoot i had this 💀

[viral swallow]

Kantrael my beloved

[deft crystal]

3 80's

[tall torrent]

Stopping power too low, not worth

[last parcel]

flesh tearer is bleed on crit and isn’t bad when combined with other stuff
lacerate is bleed on non weakspot hit which is generally bad since weakspot hits do almost triple damage

[deft crystal]

Im saccing it rn :sobb

[last parcel]

for the mastery 🫡

[wind patio]

The 79% damage upsets me, I will need to replace this.

[final hamlet]

Is bleed dot worth it even?

[deft crystal]

YES

[thorny gorge]

it is if you build for it

[viral swallow]

if you build around it especially

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer yes
Lacerate no

[full nacelle]

Assuming you are leaning into the plasma gun as a special sniper, something like this would suit you better
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d27ca2c-67bf-4959-a2c6-400831b6a146/plasmaspecialsniper

[viral swallow]

this is a good example build yeah

[tall torrent]

Not having any stamina regen for playing knife is definitely a choice

[viral swallow]

I might switch out for stamina regen on left side

lol yeah

.25s makes a difference

[full nacelle]

yeah true

[viral swallow]

when that .25s is happening 1000 times a game

ok not 1000 but you get the idea

[verbal burrow]

You know tho

[deft crystal]

Yeah but im noot reload canceling

[verbal burrow]

The amount of shotgun pellets in my torso makes me think that I might want to take Gloryhunter on the plasma gun

[deft crystal]

so the relooad speed is my beloved

[verbal burrow]

Just reload during the quiet moments

[viral swallow]

I ended up nabbing 'target down' for the same reason lol

[last parcel]

you don’t have to. the mag size is massive and you rarely have to reload mid fight unless you’re charging shots into poxwalkers or something

[full nacelle]

In that case you play around knife when you run out of ammo because plasma's ammo pool is massive

[viral swallow]

it's basically better gloryhunter, you just gotta remember to ping before you shoot

[austere mica]

If you have to reload the plasma mid fight and are actually using it right shit is fucked

[viral swallow]

you won't always get the full 25% obviously, but it isn't nothing

[verbal burrow]

You misunderstand me, I'm gonna do both

[viral swallow]

blessed be

[verbal burrow]

I want all of the toughness

[earnest bone]

If you want a great starter knife to enjoy get

• Uncanny Strike (to reliably fight crushers and its dmg boost on unyelding/maniac/flak)
• Mercy Killer
  a talent that procs bleed on first hit in right talent tree
  for perks go
• Unyelding
• Flak or Maniac or whatever
  This is extremely solid option that does not rely on crit and offers skill based gameplay. You can punch them in the face to proc debuff and follow with extreme heavy weakspot boost damage

[wind patio]

what even is the ideal blessings for this. I feel like burst firing just gives me the best anti-ranged capability.

[full nacelle]

yeah the only bleed blessing I find useful is Mercy Killer with Serrated Blade talent

[wind patio]

I'm speccing to kill all ranged

[viral swallow]

tbh I've never given the vraks a fair shake

kinda curious myself

what are you using it for, mostly horde clear?

[wind patio]

Anti shooter/gunner

But I can use it for that ye

[viral swallow]

so kinda like the kantrael?

[wind patio]

Yeah

[verbal burrow]

I wonder if it's just called an autogun because they forgot how to rifle barrels

[red fox]

oh man i used the hellbore the other day for the first time

[deft crystal]

Heres my curios

[red fox]

i've never died that much in a mission before

[deft crystal]

God tier curios right here 🤣

[viral swallow]

I want to be a hellbore enjoyer, for the vibes

but I can't bring myself to like it

feels so slow

[verbal burrow]

Hellbore is like a plasma gun with a charge up time that doesn't go through a million ragers

[deft crystal]

I love donning my kkrieg ooutfit then going to lower difficulty. on higher it cant keep up

[austere mica]

Those are some of the worst blessings for that gun, pick between Dum Dum, Fire Frenzy, and Deathspitter

[red fox]

So not like a plasma gun

[viral swallow]

this is exactly how I felt lol

[wind patio]

Has extremely quick time to kill on most things, crits surprisingly often even after the nerf, recoil is very manageable especially in exe stance.

[wind patio]

All blessings that don't apply for anti-shooter???

[austere mica]

Oh they apply

[wind patio]

How so

[red fox]

i want the tox gear in shop right now for krieg vibes without the actual krieg outfit

[viral swallow]

dum dum is just good in general tbh

[austere mica]

The Ciag is not an anti shooter gun by percision

[deft crystal]

Dont do it

[deft crystal]

dont hate me in a second

[austere mica]

It’s a dump a mag in a direction and watch shit disappear weapon

[last parcel]

for the audience, ciag is the vraks 5’s old name

[deft crystal]

SHOVEL TIME

[primal dune]

Goofy ass helmet lol

[austere mica]

If you want a weapon to specifically counter shooters than you would be more suited with a recon or a vigilant

[red fox]

Hahaha i know what th krieg outfit looks like

but i like some variety

[austere mica]

Ciag is THE dps machine

[last parcel]

i can forgive the helmet but the mask lol

[deft crystal]

who?

[last parcel]

wait is that polish the rock

[austere mica]

Mk5 infantry autogun

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-and-loaded-machine-gun-lets-do-this-throwback-angry-gif-14840322

[deft crystal]

OH THAT THING

[wind patio]

It can easily do both in skilled hands. It bursts things down from any range, not just close by.

[deft crystal]

yeah honestly bbest gun iimo

[austere mica]

That’s not an imo

That’s a yes

[deft crystal]

Most versatiile

[viral swallow]

I'll have to try it out

never really gave guns a fair shake, they sucked so much on release

[primal dune]

Mk5 can snipe but you'll likely need a little modding help to do it consistently

[deft crystal]

THIS MF IS MY PRIDE AND JOY OOF THE SLOT MACHIINE

[red fox]

tried my first autogun yesterday and ugh recoil yuk

[deft crystal]

BEST GUN IN GAME

[wind patio]

Never needed it. I bet if I grabbed one it'd make it even better.

[primal dune]

aye

[deft crystal]

Slanesh almost toook me when I saw those stats

[wind patio]

Short bursts kill anything

[austere mica]

Either way picking those blessings heavily gimps your general effectiveness in favor of a specific niche but the basic power and damage blessings will still work for that purpose, while allowing you the ability to absolutely annihilate all targets, even carapace on veteran

[wind patio]

I don't use onslaught.

Shocking ik

[last parcel]

ok then you annihilate everything besides crushers still

[austere mica]

Well everything except crushers then

[primal dune]

Even a gray mk5 shreds

[wind patio]

I use my PS for bulky crap.

[deft crystal]

what doo i replace slaugghterer with>

[wind patio]

I went down the left side of the right path for extra crit/finesse because I neeeeeed self defense.

[wind patio]

Brutal momentum

It even dumps cleave targets

So you're good

[austere mica]

Bromentum for a mk6 or bromentum/sunder for mk3

[wind patio]

And the crit on dodge procs so much when I'm in the thick of things that armor is much less of an issue sans crushers

But lately because I've just been bullied by the 1 bruiser that always seems to sneak behind me when I go to shoot something that I opted to go down the middle for Iron Will...

Decided to grab that 10% rending and well, it works.

[blissful cliff]

I'm still trying to figure out if sprint cost reduction is better than stam regen when using a combat blade

[red fox]

oh yea are thsoe "burn stack" blessings good?

[deft crystal]

oon the really fast lasggun yes

anythiin else no

[red fox]

they don't sound that useful to me when comparing to other stuff but again im new so what do i know

[last parcel]

infernus? only really usable on recons and even then they’re outclassed. but it’s funny to use

[deft crystal]

Its soo fun to use

[red fox]

i thought recon lasgun would benefit more on like the close range kills and salvo ones

[deft crystal]

nah recoon+infernus goes hard

its also funny when u just run througgh with a hiiggh magg size and inf ammo(iif u bbuild for it) and just melt everythingg

slap carapace

[last parcel]

just the close range damage stuff. salvo stuff needs you to burst fire and wait a sec to let the recoil reset

[red fox]

How does an infinite ammo build work

[red fox]

Ahh makes sense

[deft crystal]

Theres a lot of ammo regen in vet tree

for killing specialist or landing crits

[last parcel]

shock trooper talent makes crits *for lasweapons not take ammo
stack crit chance through talents and damage in blessings

[novel stone]

@slow spade you were right the Rashad is pretty baller, can't wait to get BM on it

[red fox]

🤔 i see i see

[deft crystal]

arent there others

OH

im thinking of grenades maybe

[red fox]

ngl when i first saw and tried the game i was really thinking like meh basic l4d horde shooter will try for a bit and drop

but like, there's a lot to it

[deft crystal]

thats fine for casual difficultie

but for auric

everythingg matters

[plucky linden]

What critical stuff do I lack there that would be worth giving up grenade replenishment/better frag aoe for? Can free up 4 points this way.
Marksman bolter build, and my toughness sustain in melee situations is utter shit

[red fox]

I mean even on Malice for me now im like oh i have to actually pay attention

[red fox]

does Auric just pay out a lot or

[deft crystal]

when u gget to a point where everything is second nature

like dodgingg dogs, and nets

or just 1v1ingg ogryns

the boss

it gets boring

short answer iis yes hiigher payout

[red fox]

tbh im surprised im not bored yet cuz it's the same missions but the gameplay is pretty satisfying

[deft crystal]

but bloood pump is what ii need

[tribal pelican]

this is my bolter sniper

[tribal pelican]

used this to get auric survivor today

[last parcel]

you really shouldn’t give up nade regen
you could consider swapping to the right side starter tree since out for blood doubles the amount of toughness you get from melee (5 + 5)
longshot doesn’t matter much

[tribal pelican]

you need volly fire and tact reload to run exec on a bolter otherwise you cannot maintain streaks though reloads meaning the most you could ever chain is 15

[plucky linden]

playing marksman's focus build for now, but I'll save yours, ty.
Superiority Complex over Marksman?

[last parcel]

you don’t need both but yeah

[tribal pelican]

from my testing inorder to maintain exec though a reload on bolter you needed both did I f up testing?

[plucky linden]

Volley Adept though.
Bolter takes forever to reload.

[last parcel]

my tests were playing aurics like a month ago so idk

[deft crystal]

SM2 operatiions is stupidly difficult when it comes to the thousand sons

[verbal burrow]

For the fun of it I made a version of Squad Leader with as many buffs to toughness as possible:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d27d6c9-db6c-434d-9ddc-1ab43472c1e2/tough-squad-leader

[last parcel]

there’s still tactical reload if you go right

[tribal pelican]

unless your really attached to one shotting crushers in the head I do not think its needed its only for 10 sec where as superiority complex helps you make so many meaningfull break points 100% of the time including body shot breakpints that marksmen does nothing for

[last parcel]

i’m fine with the long reload when i go middle in no executioner’s stance but idk if you’re going exe or not

[plucky linden]

ty, noted.

[primal dune]

2 points for 25% seems too steep

[plucky linden]

which blessings/traits on your bolter?

[verbal burrow]

If you are within coherency and above 75% toughness, you have:

• 33% toughness damage resistance from Confirmed Kill,
• 5% Toughness Damage Reduction from the aptly named "Toughness Damage Reduction",
• 10% Toughness Damage Reduction from the also aptly named "Toughness Damage Reduction",
• 50% Toughness Damage Reduction from Iron Will,

Before one even begins to factor in all of the sources of toughness generation it has

[tribal pelican]

glory hunter and surgical what difficulty are you running on?

[full nacelle]

the best born leader builds are actually tanky melee builds that make use of the Rashad w/ Out for Blood for insane constant toughness regen

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d27d866-13ac-4139-983d-4f2860b41e07/bornleaderbattlemedic

food for thought if you ever want to try an alternate playstyle

[verbal burrow]

Tell me more of this Out For Blood

Oh I already run that

[full nacelle]

vets gain 7.5% toughness per melee kill and out for blood increases it to 12.5%... Rashad is vets best overall melee weapon especially for horde clear

[plucky linden]

currently leveling masteries with a shit 300 rating heavy sword (dont intend to use it later on vet, probably, just for masteries), so down to t4 until I work out the build.
Noticed keeping up toughness to 100% with vet seems harder for me in t4 than with other classes in t5. Normally I play damnation, no auric yet since I just got b into the game a week ago, after a year of absence.

[verbal burrow]

Yah but as a cadian sergeant I do need to rock the chainsword drip

[full nacelle]

You run around in stealth an unkillable gold toughness beast slaying everything and marking any elites and specials in front of you

it should still work fine with the chainsword though

[verbal burrow]

I am too busy sniping elites and specials with the plasma gun to do fun stuff tho

[last parcel]

base is 5% but yes

[full nacelle]

I was told it's 7.5 on vets

[plucky linden]

Rashad is?

[full nacelle]

unless that's been changed

[full nacelle]

Yeah it's generally the best melee weapon. Good at everything but especially cleaving through hordes.

[verbal burrow]

Like, I'll be chainswording things, living my best life, and then the team is like "Yo Marric kill the sniper" because people assume I am a marksman and I'm like the god-emperor gave you a revolver for a reason rejects but nooo

[plucky linden]

i'm asking what it is.
Guess I'll google.

[tribal pelican]

combat axe mk not sure what nummber

[full nacelle]

Oh combat axe

[plucky linden]

combat axe mk2 is best melee for vet? How so

[full nacelle]

absolutely melts hordes with brutal momentum

[plucky linden]

for one-shots on horde mobs?

[tribal pelican]

its just busted amazing horde clear great single target good survivability

[plucky linden]

oh

[full nacelle]

yeah just great all around

highly recommend trying it if you haven't

[plucky linden]

allright, thats the next weapon to get masteries for after I'm done with heavy sword then.

ty

[verbal burrow]

I will try that but chainsword is pretty iconic tho

[full nacelle]

you combine that with a born leader build that constantly generates absolutely stupid amount of toughness and gold toughness from VoC

[plucky linden]

I assume it'll also work on zealot then? If it works so well on vet.

[last parcel]

it’s been 5%. you can check kuli’s guide with the source code review and path’s pinned guide

[full nacelle]

and you become an unkillable tanky toughness generating frontline beast

[tribal pelican]

rashad does have one problem though, it does not go burrrrrr or bang bang or zap! or egrrrrrrrr. if im playing a 40k game my weapon must make cool sounds

[round canopy]

I prefer the mk12 chainaxe

[full nacelle]

I prefer the satisfying CHOP CHOP CHOP

[deft crystal]

rashaad axe best weapon?

[full nacelle]

to the constant ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR of a chainsword

[deft crystal]

whats the best build for it?

[primal dune]

I like the shovel sounds

[full nacelle]

shovel sounds are great too

[round canopy]

thwunk

[tribal pelican]

shovel sounds are VERY good

[tribal pelican]

I'll add this to the list of acceptable sounds

[full nacelle]

I'll show you my born leader rashad melee build... it's a jack of all trades monster... huge dps, tons of support through constant toughness share, and can tank through almost anything because of all the toughness it generates

[tribal pelican]

shovel also just gets a pass on the slapstick of it

[full nacelle]

even has plasma for special sniping

[last parcel]

precision strikes
path down to +attack speed
grab the +10% melee dmg below smoke grenades if you can

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d27d866-13ac-4139-983d-4f2860b41e07/bornleaderbattlemedic

I honestly play this build when I'm watching something on the side

it's that strong

as long as you know how to dodge and herd hordes you're golden

[deft crystal]

semi circle is ur best friend

[primal dune]

That too but ever since they added the stabby shovel variants they're really good now

[tribal pelican]

OKay SO eralier here everyone was saying mk1 was the best but I cannot think of why it should be taken over the mkVII?

[primal dune]

Yeah me neither

[tribal pelican]

the stabby attack seems to much better than the poke and it has the same CC heavy pattern

[primal dune]

Mk7 is a straight upgrade

[full nacelle]

I think it's because its generally stronger in terms of its normal attacks

faster light attacks

the mk7 has the really strong special attack but worse overall normal attacks

[wind patio]

You'd take 10% melee damage over 10% rending?

[tribal pelican]

in the inspecter the heavy pattern seemed to have the same damage numbers I'm wondering if they are slower it did FEEL that way

[primal dune]

Lights maybe, it still has good horde clear and it can actually deal with armor

[round canopy]

The heavy attacks are so fast that I rarely find myself using the lights anyway

[viral swallow]

very similar to what I'm running rn

[last parcel]

it’s a bit faster

[full nacelle]

All day every day. Rending only really helps against carapace and bosses.

[wind patio]

ig if you're using rishad and plasma now that I think about it it's less important

[full nacelle]

Yeah that build has crushers taken care of already so it's not as important

[wind patio]

Neither of those struggle vs anything

[tribal pelican]

shovel vs shock mual

[round canopy]

shovel

[tribal pelican]

opinions on CC

[round canopy]

shovel every time

[full nacelle]

Honestly it's two of the most broken vet weapons on a great tanky melee build that happens to run born leader

[round canopy]

mk7 shovel has two perfectly horizontal heavy attacks for horde clear and great anti-armor

[full nacelle]

it's very good

can't go wrong with rashad/plasma

I really wanted to like the shock maul

but I don't 😦

[tribal pelican]

same

[wind patio]

I still think mk6 PS is just so good

[primal dune]

Though i must admit i've been cheating on my shovel with a heavy sword

[tribal pelican]

I really realllly wana like power sword but i just cannot stay upright in auric meal with the thing

[full nacelle]

I'll sometimes have a great power sword game where it feels good and strong

[round canopy]

it has the same light -> heavy chain as mk4 catachan so it's fine

[primal dune]

I can't stand the power sword either, the low mobility just kills me

[round canopy]

but catachan has parry so it's just better(?)

[tribal pelican]

its tooo damn slow like fighting in a jar of molasses

[full nacelle]

and then others where I'm struggling to constantly charge it and want to alt f4

[wind patio]

idk if it's intentional, but this update made upkeeping powered weapons more annoying, since you can't refresh the powered duration with another activation.

[tribal pelican]

what blessing for my shovel my dudes

just blew the last of my cash on shovel mastery

[full nacelle]

is that what's happening? I thought something felt off...

[blissful cliff]

i'm so happy rolling steel is out of QP.....

genuinely my life could not be any better

[full nacelle]

did they remove it? thank god

[round canopy]

If you're going with mk7 then thrust is really good

[tribal pelican]

is this true holy shit

[blissful cliff]

It seems to have gone out of rotation post the maelstrom

[wind patio]

Yeah, you have to make sure you're gonna attack or else it'll run out right when you're about to swing with no way to prevent it

[verbal burrow]

Hellbore really out there with these descriptions

[blissful cliff]

I haven't gotten a single QP rolling steel mission all day (been playing for 6 hours now)

[last parcel]

uncanny and skullcrusher/decimator for mkI
more details for the other mks in the pinned guide

[full nacelle]

well... I guess I really am deleting my power sword build

way to make a clunky weapon even clunkier

[round canopy]

why uncanny on a shovel though? when you've got thrust and already decimate crushers

[primal dune]

Skullcrusher let's you one shots maulers if you nade em first

[wind patio]

Honestly, I love it. no other weapon has such a powerful style. I just hope they change that back soon.

[full nacelle]

Yeah that's honestly an awful change

was it intentional?

[wind patio]

I don't know. I've seen questions about it but they went unanswered

[full nacelle]

I was wondering why I kept running out of charge when I played my psword build earlier...

[last parcel]

uncanny affects flak, maniac, and unyielding too
and even with carapace it gives the option to light/push attack if a thrust special is unsafe

[wind patio]

It'll still be reliable to upkeep if you get a hit since it resets the timer on hit. Much better when you space your lights.

Heavies peter off much quicker, so be sure to use a light after a heavy just to keep the chain going

[tribal pelican]

forgive me what pinned guide?

[full nacelle]

I'm already struggling to keep my interest in pswords. I really hope it's a bug and they're not trying to make us jump through more hoops to play it.

[last parcel]

in pinned messages
the ms word link

[thorny gorge]

buy?

[full nacelle]

Nah... Cleave Targets is the dump stat on Power Sword

[thorny gorge]

this thing?

[last parcel]

yeah go ahead

[full nacelle]

yup, that ones better lol

[thorny gorge]

got bis recon

[viral swallow]

@verbal burrow https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d27e1ce-a309-493d-ac86-7607c7aa5e0d/makes-me-wanna-shout

this is what I've been mostly using

feels a bit gimmicky, not quite as strong as the pure shooty version, but definitely fun

[wind patio]

If you want I can pair up or I can stream some PS gameplay. Running a marksman build with Vrak mk5 that uses a PS on the side rn
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d27e293-4e34-438d-8c1c-c97a2b55b1f8/this

I have a shout build with Revolver that uses melee most of the time tho

[tidal mango]

Anybody got any tips for the "On Overwatch" penance?

[thorny gorge]

plasma and powersword work?

[wind patio]

They do yea

Plasma always works with everything tbh

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[deft crystal]

Why krak ggrenades 😭

[tidal mango]

A dream, thanks a lot will try that!

[deft crystal]

what is on ooverwatch

aggain

[full nacelle]

better boss damage and gives you more points to work with

lets you thin out crushers/bulwarks

[wind patio]

finish a mission without taking damage

Funny enough I legit accidentally did it as my shout melee vet build

[thorny gorge]

for my crit recon build should i take the 15% elite damage or 5% crit

[wind patio]

Not able to fit both?

[thorny gorge]

not with reciporicty

i could cut focus fire

idk if i need the 8 stacks

[last parcel]

you don’t

[thorny gorge]

les go

15% base crit

and the 15% elite damage

unyeilding or carapace

which one for aurics

[wind patio]

fire melts unyielding, focus that if you want to be a boss killer. It's actually rather effective and very good at killing Bulwarks since the fire stacks apply even on shield hits.

[thorny gorge]

oh yea it does

[wind patio]

It's like you're a lesser version of gungryn at all times

[thorny gorge]

lmao wtf

i also have onslaught

[wind patio]

So ye, you can skip carapace

[last parcel]

just personal preference if that’s the case

[thorny gorge]

nvm my krak instas crushers

unyielding it is

[wind patio]

I sure hope it would

[full nacelle]

someone remind me, does exe stance give suppression immunity?

[wind patio]

yes

[full nacelle]

gotcha! thank you!

[wind patio]

It gives you stun immunity, too

[primal dune]

Can you prevent interuptions while rezing people with it?

[wind patio]

no, that's ogryn specific

[thorny gorge]

[restive rock]

Get up, boss!

[plucky linden]

Hellbore infinite ammo crit build is still going strong, or was it nerfed in any way?

[thorny gorge]

still the same

shock trooper unchanged

[plucky linden]

what does "cleave on weakspot crit" allows on it, btw?

[thorny gorge]

collat

[plucky linden]

i.e. in practical terms

[thorny gorge]

beam will travel trough heads

into guys behind

[last parcel]

it goes from 3 to 4.5 so you can shoot past two more poxwalkers

or through one scab bruiser when it’d have stopped you without

[plucky linden]

wait, so it's in % ? The blessing.

[last parcel]

yes they forgot the % in the description

[plucky linden]

eh, here I hoped you get +5 cleave or smth 😄

[last parcel]

if only

[plucky linden]

does it make a difference when penetrating berserker hordes?

[last parcel]

i think it lets you cleave one dreg rager? there’s an enemy section in the pinned guide that includes hitmass

[thorny gorge]

me when i have to play

[plucky linden]

if it does, that would actually give it a use.
Otherwise, what's the usual second blessing for infinite Hellbore? Given that first by default Surgical

[deft crystal]

I saw a veteren wiith a rashad just cleaving througgh everythin in 1 to 3 hits

wtf is that

[last parcel]

just ole reliable weight of fire

[last parcel]

but if you’re specifically only shooting at full crit i guess hotshot could work

[plucky linden]

don't you still have to wait for Surgical to build up, at least to 7-8 stacks? Kinda defeaets the purpose.
Unless for bursts.

[last parcel]

btw the bayonets for IV and V are swapped here

[thorny gorge]

[plucky linden]

though i guess, there arent really that many options.

Infernus looks like a meme on hellbore.

[last parcel]

i was speaking in general where you don’t need crits on every shot, so the passive 3-4 stacks are enough
and if you do need that crit, you still have the option to hold the charge

[plucky linden]

fair

[full nacelle]

why is Chink in their Armour such a bad node?

like why would it be 10% rending when at full stacks when there's a node that just gives 10% rending by default?

[last parcel]

swedish design

in theory it’s to save one point by not needing to grab the +25 toughness in exchange for less quick reliability
but lol
lmao

[thorny gorge]

ok so im done trolling

[last parcel]

no put back the crit damage

we need you

[thorny gorge]

i will keep the shit knife

[last parcel]

sexcellent

[thorny gorge]

i get 30% base crit now with it out

[last parcel]

[verbal burrow]

I wish Kantraels were good :<

[rose gale]

they are

[rocky jacinth]

Ok Fatshark, give CitA a +100% cleave bonus.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-joel-gif-27500782

[flat crypt]

CitA?

[verbal burrow]

At giving me finger cramps and not being plasma guns 😔

[last parcel]

chink in their armour
marksmans focus teats
10% rending at >=10 stacks of mf

[flat crypt]

Aaaa, i was wondering wtf weapon is called CitA and not thinking about talents at all

[carmine ermine]

whats the difference in marks for the infantry autoguns?

[pseudo fiber]

Can we get the name changes pinned at this point

But also
The old mk1 shoots slowest
Mk7 middle ground
Mk5 shoots fastest

[rose gale]

pretty much just rpm

[last parcel]

agri
columnus
vraks

slowest one has extra cleave

[dry drift]

gonna try to complete on overwatch, anyone got particular tips on how to complete it?

[supple stag]

VoC with overtoughness node on low intensity malice and hang back with an autogun

That's how I did it iirc

Can I get the copypasta regarding Infiltrate for this penance?

[rose gale]

i remember i got super lucky and joined a mission at the end

[supple stag]

@somber axle

[dry cloak]

Get yourself a taunt ogryn

[dry drift]

what about infiltrate

[blissful cliff]

i love that bots can trigger daemonhost :)

[strong pine]

how are people building their recon lasgun/talent tree?

[distant umbra]

usually burn + whatever seems good

[vestal minnow]

bolt pistol an ok replacement for revolver for sniping nowadays after patch?

[distant umbra]

it’s much more of a boltgun replacement for a faster feel

[slow spade]

Deadly Accurate + Surgical is funny

[distant umbra]

what do you guys usually run on your double barrel?

[vestal minnow]

ahh ok. been messing around with it but i dont have it leveld up enough/alot of resources so i cant test it out with max surgical if thats the weakspot damage one

[pseudo fiber]

Both barrels full bore personally

[flat crypt]

surgical is the ads crit chance, deadly accurate = crit weakspot damage

[tame lodge]

For sniping? Sort of yes

[tame lodge]

Manstopper Scattershot

[nimble wadi]

What blessings do I want on bolter with a crit build

[blissful cliff]

Two years ago i used to play this game on a controller. Now that i've gotten so much more used to playing on M&K in general, it is absolutely insane to me just how much easier it is to do literally anything

[pseudo fiber]

Pinning fire. cavalcade or surgical

[nimble wadi]

Did they fix bolt pistol aiming by the way

Or change it

[blissful cliff]

They slapped a band aid on it

[nimble wadi]

So it’s better?

[blissful cliff]

It's not fully fixed but it feels a lot better to use

Yes

I use it and can hit targets most of the time

It's consecutive shots that make me miss, but if you simply reset your ADS it'll be more accurate

[nimble wadi]

Hmmm I see

[errant sable]

the only 2 issues is aiming with plasma since the charging doesn't really help

and throwing knives being up on the dpad

[blissful cliff]

i had struggled to make micro adjustments on controller

[errant sable]

probably have alot of experience from v2 so it's an issue for me on this game

[blissful cliff]

I played v2 as well (not a lot lot but got a couple hundred hours) and i couldn't aim to save my life there either lol. It did however feel a lot easier than darktide as far as controller is concerned

[errant sable]

my friend said the same thing xd

I just hate when I play plasma I need to tone my sens down but forget to change it back so when I play anything else it's hard to turn

[crude blade]

I buy 20 quick draw revolver but can't find the Zarona 2a, is it that rare to get?

[errant sable]

go to inventory and select the revolver

then on the right pick " marks " and change it

[restive rock]

Tin rau after buying 200 quick revolvers

[lucid dune]

the pinned guide is lookin really good

[distant umbra]

maybe i should try it out

[distant crow]

keep or sacrifice?

[floral hearth]

sacrifice

[crude blade]

OMG I am so dumb, thank you so much for saving my money

[distant crow]

what about these 2 ?

[blissful cliff]

Playing with Mouse and keyboard? I highly recommend it, i personally re keybinded my nade and special attack to mouse buttons and just use Q exclusively for swapping

[nimble wadi]

Can someone explain the blessing points thing

[distant crow]

57 cleave

[nimble wadi]

How do I unlock the blessings for max mastery weapon

It says not available so I’m confused

Sorry I’m late to the party

[blissful cliff]

Cleave targets is the dump stat on the power sword

Does nothing for you when you proc it's power up and swing

You actually want high mobility on it cause it's base mobility is absolutely abysmal

[nimble canyon]

veterans i know heavy las pistol is not as strong as the other weapons but how can i make it work the best it can

[nimble wadi]

Oh nvm I got it

[tame lodge]

You have to unlock a couple of T1 blessings first

[tame lodge]

🫡

[errant sable]

nws it happens!

[distant umbra]

I would try and make it to where it can oneshot unarmored/flak on a headshot or even a body shot since I don’t think it would be good as and elite killer. I don’t know if thats possible though

I’m not very well versed with breakpoints so don’t take my advice too seriously

[tame lodge]

As a headshoting machine it could get 1k damage against flak

Needs crit though

Oh wait

That would be the Kantrael one

But yeah aim for the head

Unless Mauler but that's a given

[vestal minnow]

whats the combat blade dump stat? mob?

[red fox]

chainsword or powersword for hordes

[slow spade]

Powersword though its a bit unreliable atm

[distant umbra]

yeah it’s kinda slow tbh

[tame lodge]

Chainsword got that no fall off on crit 🔥

[broken gazelle]

I'm levelling the knife right now

I miss my shovel.

[rigid pilot]

do we actually dump penetration on uncanny knife?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[red fox]

how so?

[broken gazelle]

I got Mercy Kill and Lacerate on my knife.
Is that still good combo? 🗡️

[tame lodge]

Charged attacks are being inconsistent with the charges

[slow spade]

Bugged so charged attacks don't refresh when energizing + turns off when hit/staggered

Very dangerous combo with the Moebian 21st condition

[broken gazelle]

I feel quite defenceless vs armoured target while using the knife. 😨

[pseudo fiber]

Use your huge dodge distance

[broken gazelle]

Dodge is good
It just takes a while to take em out

[pseudo fiber]

What blessings have you got?

[broken gazelle]

Currently low level Mercykill and Lacerate
In the process of levelling mastery.

[pseudo fiber]

When you get the chance replace lacerate with uncanny strike it'll help you deal with armoured guys better

[wind ravine]

What melee do you guys use for Auric missions?

[pseudo fiber]

All of them usually

[tame lodge]

Anything that isn't tac axes

[wind ravine]

I like tac axes 😦

[tame lodge]

They are on a weird spot rn

[nimble canyon]

if i were to make a headshotting machine like build for laspistol, what blessings would be best for it? also build wise whats best for weakspot dmg?

[blissful cliff]

Mobility

[blissful cliff]

Also if you're running mercykiller, when you replace lacerate with uncanny strike, make sure to pick up the serrated blade talent in vet's skill tree. Otherwise mercy killer won't be doing much for you.

[grizzled pebble]

Standard shovel

[broken gazelle]

Might be hard to squeeze that in but I'll try 👍

[blissful cliff]

If that's too hard to squeeze, will probs be better if you run a different blessing

Flesh tearer, executor, or riposte are good alternatives

[broken gazelle]

Will have to look over my options after work.
I wasn't planning to main the knife, but a good one dropped and figured I'd work on levelling knife Mastery.

[blissful cliff]

Personally, i struggle to use any other melee weapon on vet because i got so used to the mobility the knife provides, and it surprisingly works very well for whatever roll you need it to fill

[broken gazelle]

The mobility is very nice, I admit.
Still love my shovel though.

[restive rock]

I wish the stealth vet NVGs actually worked in dark maps

[spark helm]

Nvgs?

[tame lodge]

Ideally you'd want
Flak + Elites or Maniacs
Dumdum + Ghost or Infernus (haven't tried the new blessings can't really vouch for them)

[restive rock]

When you go in stealth you get a night vision filter

But it doesn’t actually help in the dark

[broken gazelle]

I never actually tried the stealth ability

[restive rock]

It’s good for repositioning and objectives

[broken gazelle]

I can imagine it being good
I just like VotE too much

[restive rock]

But I’d argue it’s weaker than the others

[broken gazelle]

VotE and the node that knocks off 6 seconds of the cooldown
I feel like it's almost always available.

[restive rock]

VotE?

[broken gazelle]

Voice of the emprah

[restive rock]

Oh lol

[broken gazelle]

The shouty one

[restive rock]

I thought it was callled Voice of Command

[tame lodge]

When the nvgs works better on Vent Purge than lights out

[broken gazelle]

You may be right.

Names of abilities is hard

Love me shovel

Simple as

[distant umbra]

why do i always see veterans snag literally every single ammo box

like you do not need to top off your 1200 shots after firing 4 rounds

[broken gazelle]

Because they poopy

I used to go entire maps without picking up any ammo boxes when I still used Shock Trooper.
Now I can usually get by with just 1 or 2.

[restive rock]

Vets are a shoot class, so newer ones are still training ammo preservation

Like how newer psykers might blow up, or newer zealots might need healing lol

[blissful cliff]

yea i can attest, i blow up on Psyker

[lost igloo]

Hey guys, I'm having quite an issue with the "On Overwatch" penance, what would be the best possible mission to do this penance on because going 20 minutes without a singular hit from melee just seems impossible after a few tries

[blissful cliff]

But even while blowing up, i do a goofy amount of damage

Psyker is busted until you get smacked in the face

Then you're just dead

[broken gazelle]

I don't think I ever blew up on psyker

I'd always take venting shout and use that before reaching 100%

[blissful cliff]

I do cause i'm a psyker baby (a darktide baby in general)

[restive rock]

OVERWATCH?!

TRACER?!

[broken gazelle]

I did On Overwatch by accident 👀

[blissful cliff]

Same actually, i did mine in Metalfab

[pseudo fiber]

You can take a hit you just can't take health damage

[lost igloo]

Still seems a bit hard

I only managed to get halfway through a mission before some random guy snuck up behind me

[pseudo fiber]

No it's tough but there are some builds to help
Someone has a copy paste

[broken gazelle]

Make sure to have your volume up high.
And music off.

[supple stag]

Run VoC on low intensity malice mission

Hang back with an autogun

[broken gazelle]

There's a sound cue when someone is behind you. I find that helps a lot

[supple stag]

Also that

Be aware of your surroundings

[broken gazelle]

Audio is very important in Tide games.
Which is a cool aspect.

You always know what's coming because of that.

[lost igloo]

I'm coming from Vermintide so not doing melee is kind of a new one for me

[broken gazelle]

I'd say you should always do melee. Regardless of class.

[supple stag]

Yeah, don't be like some Vets or Psykers holding their ranged even if enemies are basicly hugging them

[mortal orbit]

Gotta always be reloading, bruh

It's a shooter

[broken gazelle]

I'd say for On Overwatch you need to be Dodging/blocking/pushing

[spark helm]

Oh that thing.

[lost igloo]

So far I tried to hang back and just snipe off elites to atleast be of some use to my teammates

[broken gazelle]

Hanging back can be good
But it can also make you vulnerable

[lost igloo]

I only really got overwhelmed in chokepoints like hallways and small rooms, but other than that I usually do just fine

[broken gazelle]

I can often go whole missions with 0 health damage
Until a stoopid sniper or burster catches me off guard

Or someone wakes a DH

[pseudo fiber]

#veteran-class message

[idle swallow]

I've become double barrel pilled this thing is really fun with WS, just gibbing giant hordes in a single shot

[spark helm]

^ basically.

Not even trying to be that person, just develop your defensive fundamentals:

1. Take advantage of solid walls that cannot be scaled or crawled out from against hordes. Do not corner yourself, rather, make sure your flanks are covered either with people and/or terrain.

2. If you are aware that shooters are in the area ("they're dug in!" Is the quote that lets you know), focus on them prn.

3. Manage your shoves (assuming you have better crowd control going on with your melee weapon) within reason. Block as you must, but weave in shoves and rack up kills in melee.

4. Unless you're using a ranged weapon that doesn't have poor mobility innately, limit how often you dodge with a gun out. If you're pushed into a melee situation and can easily spare it, take it and go melee.

5. Learn how to react to every disabling specialist in the game. With the exception of terrain obstruction, gaps in spatial awareness for any reason and simply being overwhelmed with the right batch of enemies, everything in the game is reactable.

6. Get used to switching to hyper-aggression when necessary/volunteered to press your advantage to reposition.

[broken gazelle]

I run with two 3+ stamina curios
Might be a bit overkill but I can dance with a horde untouched for a while

[spark helm]

That's fair. I personally haven't set up anything for stamina in a while but it can be useful. I just don't know where it becomes more of detriment in some cases.

If you've play any of the Left 4 Dead games, those are really strong fundamentals to draw on when it comes to the rhythm of your shoves.

Simple weapons like the standard sapper shovel lends itself very easily with the timing and range you need to just keep a horde of little guys from tearing you a new one.

I quite literally just go 2-4 swings and drop a shove. I keep my eyes on the edges of the horde coming in to find where I'm going to start forcing a pocket for myself and others.

And yeah, if you're already familiar with it, just keep practicing and recognizing the differences in scenarios and you're golden within a few sessions.

If you have long history with VT2, just play like you're playing Cataclysm or modded Cataclysm in terms of how often you manage reducing getting hit by even one grunt level enemy and you'll be better off for it.

Slide dodging is really nice as well and quite frankly ridiculous. However, it's very good to just be strong as hell without it to take that kind of tech to the extreme.

If you use duelling swords or combat knives (idk if tactical axes are mobile like that), just don't over do it with dodging unless you're running something that can use agile.

That blessing is actually ridiculous lmao.

[tawdry jackal]

I need to practice 3 more

[tawdry jackal]

Just don’t take health damage. Gold toughness is apparently

[lost igloo]

I know there's a cheese for it apparently, I'm trying it with some people rn

[strange crow]

No no don’t give in!

You can do it

[spark helm]

It takes a sec with getting used to. Plus, there's enemies like ragers, crushers, and bulwarks that can make shoving mean a whole lot of nothing unless you're maybe an ogryn or psyker with a force sword.

My personal recommendation for veterans honestly is to get familiar with the default weapons we get since they're pretty solid throughout every difficulty barring an amount of auric damnation spreads.

I'd say they're still good but it genuinely takes time to create those opportunities and one can always just use anything else if they want.

But strictly for the sapper shovel, it's a beautiful starting weapon: good crowd control; stable damage output against most enemies you can take on; and, for the purposes of what I'm getting at, a deeply reliable weapon for conditioning oneself with the core basics of melee without relying on excessive dodges or committal special attacks for maximum performance (power sword, chainsword, etc.)

I'm not sure what changed but basically, you just cycle heavy attack into heavy attack maybe like 2-3, then weave the shove. If you hear that little "shhaaa" noise while shoving, dodge and be prepared to either shove again or set up another heavy.

Rinse, repeat, succeed. There's more to it in the heat of it all obviously, but that's some good fightin'.

[edgy fable]

stick to a good ogryn like BO, pack VoC and it's dead easy

[spark helm]

Oh yeah, and feeling out your melee spacing is key.

If you have a weapon with range, exploit it as often as possible. And even if you don't, learn what that max range is since that can help you judge whether or not you're popping a dodge to protect yourself.

[slow spade]

The Emperor gave me a health by Throne I'm going to use it

[spark helm]

I keep thinking that's Blue Mary somehow.

[lost igloo]

all my builds are ranged builds (am i cooked?)

[spark helm]

No. Just keep that in mind.

There's plenty of melee weapons you can use if your build is focusing on ranged weapons.

[edgy fable]

melee weapons are considered "Main Weapons" for a reason

[lost igloo]

I still have 2 slots left, I might not be as cooked

[spark helm]

I mean, what are you using then?

Combat knives, power swords, specific shovels (the special attack flip one) and Rashad axe aren't exactly made and broken by talent spreads in my experience.

Plus, if your ranged build is taking advantage of weakspot damage in any notable capacity, those weapons are freely complimented.

[lost igloo]

Slot 1: Recon Lasgun, Krak, Chainsword with Stance and Survivalist (no keystone)
Slot 2: Bolt Pistol, Frags, Axe with VoC and Survivalist (also no keystone I think)
Slot 3: Helbore Lasgun, Smoke, Shovel with VoC and Survivalist (no keystone)
they're all decent support build but only 2 is an actual support build, the other focus on ranged damaged, 1 is for hordes and slamming as much damage into enemies, 3 is a bit more methodical for elites and weakspots

[tawdry jackal]

I’m a mk 13 chainsword type of guy

Run it with a boltgun, VOC, and frags and weapons specialist

[lost igloo]

I was thinking of making a boltgun build but I'm not sure where to start

[tawdry jackal]

I can do insane burst damage and consistently cut through folks but I can still get overwhelmed

[tawdry jackal]

Right side tree

Plus the 5%

Keep a round in the chamber and it’s a constant 30% reload buff

Volley adept can make it crazy

[lost igloo]

Thanks to my first build I reload as often as a CoD kiddie

[tawdry jackal]

But it’s contingent

[spark helm]

I'd say those are fine, you'll just have to keep being consistent with how you address melee situations.

Taking things that just work nicely with crowds on range-dominant builds has never really let me down.

Standard issue sapper shovel doesn't fuck around in that regard.

...and VoC is VoC so it's just fundamentally great as a tool.

[lost igloo]

Honestly my first build is such a bulletstorm that I rarely find myself using my melee unless I'm pinned in a corner with no ammo (basically never)

[grand perch]

i finally got aorund to trying a suppression based build. man, i wish suppression would to something to all these enemies that are immune to it. like, maybe slow them down a little bit or something

[broken gazelle]

I remember the run up to release
I expected to main Zealot
But now I've been maining Veteran for 2 years

[grand perch]

holy shit its been 2 years

[broken gazelle]

I think so?

Unless I'm remembering wrong

[grand perch]

november 2022

[broken gazelle]

Could've sworn it was Autumn 2022
Or winter

Ok so I did remember rightly.

And still no new hairstyles

[pseudo fiber]

They're in the files

Haha

[broken gazelle]

Gimme

[blissful cliff]

Any datamined pics or model pictures?

I just want some decent hair :(

At the moment every character i have (except the Ogryn) had a helmet or something that covers the head/face enough lmao

[broken gazelle]

I quite like this hair
But it's veteran only

[blissful cliff]

That hair is Veteran only?

[broken gazelle]

Yep

[blissful cliff]

LOL

WHY?!

[broken gazelle]

I checked on my Psyker and Zealot and they're not allowed it.

[blissful cliff]

That's so dumb

[broken gazelle]

Shame it's veteran only
Else I'd probably use it on my Zealot too

[candid agate]

zola pays kral to not let anyone else have it lol

[broken gazelle]

Haha. Makes sense.

Oh that's right. It IS Zola's hair

[pseudo fiber]

@broken gazelle @blissful cliff
#theorycrafting message
#theorycrafting message

[tame lodge]

Which weapon you using?

[broken gazelle]

Top result when googling "Darktide hair"

[tame lodge]

Why is bald accurate

Lmao

[broken gazelle]

This one is Bald PLUS

[tawny badger]

where's the polished bald

[broken gazelle]

I love Darktide but it does have some of the worst hair models since DA Inquisition

[tawny badger]

I want my dome SHINY

[dry crypt]

is exec stance as cracked as voc

[pseudo fiber]

No

Because VoC is overpowered

[broken gazelle]

VoC feels almost too good

(which is why I use it)

[grand perch]

agrip brautogun so far. will try another build with recon. oh an i will try the graia brautogun as well, with ceaseless barrage on top

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

Exec stance can clear the map of enemies but VoC can be used in a more general sense whereas Exec stance requires, at the very least, clear sight lines to the enemy.

[tawny badger]

I dunno if it's really fair to compare the two

[pseudo fiber]

VoC is so good I think if you gave 4 bots VoC they could clear at least heresy

[oblique totem]

Four vets with Exec stance could probably kill anything in the game, four vets with VoC will basically have infinite toughness.

[blissful cliff]

nah, they'd all get netted

They go super braindead against disablers and specials

[tame lodge]

Try fire shotgun later and use special shot very often

[blissful cliff]

Meanwhile Saltzpyre yells "WAR FUNDING" and proceeds to unload his ult into whatever poor clan Eshin rat DARES to disgrace him with it's presence.

[tame lodge]

VT2 bots try not to waste ult in a single special challenge

[pseudo fiber]

1 ironbreaker bot could clear auric maelstrom

I trust ironbreaker bot with my LIFE

[umbral scaffold]

It serves well as a ranged highlighter and deleter but voc can get you out of really rough spot or completely break monstuosity's charges

Id rank voc above but its not saying exe is useless.

A good ranged remover is always welcome on my team

[grand perch]

i suppose i can but its not really what i was going for

[distant crow]

gotta love the team mate that as soon as it get downed it leaves

[umbral scaffold]

Also yes i concur we need better long hair

[tawny badger]

leaving as soon as you start reviving them >

[umbral scaffold]

Its so ass

[distant crow]

heavy pistol mkII or mkx ?

[distant crow]

just happened this game