veteran-class

[full nacelle]

two grenades = more radius

[little path]

20% chance isn't a BAD chance

but also it's a frag grenade

I'll just throw two

[full nacelle]

that's 4 with twinned blast

I love math

[little path]

eeeeeh

more liekly to be just 2

[full nacelle]

I really hope so! It's such a cool gun

[little path]

wait, lemme do a bit of quick math

[last parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1269106508449321050/Dytq3mc.png?ex=66fb520a&is=66fa008a&hm=c01035fff3f5c5e03f6490c99c67829f5a3333e135c9847672db14c776e297d1&

[little path]

it's uuh

[full nacelle]

you're a god, thank you!

[little path]

4% chance to hit 2 twinned blasts

[full nacelle]

4%?! that's 2 + 2

[winter grove]

Yeah

[umbral parrot]

FRICK!

I knew it

[full nacelle]

which is exactly how many you throw out when twin blast activates

[umbral parrot]

Also, can someone explain Rising Heat?

[full nacelle]

so logically it's actually a 100% chance

[hasty otter]

Its just not worth it..

[little path]

I think it got changed during the patch

[hasty otter]

A lot of vets i've seen running the plasma gun have been blowing themselves up.

Not currently happy to see it.

[crimson pebble]

you just have him in the chamber at all times or

[full nacelle]

I honestly hate the plasma gun

I'm a hater

[little path]

It's still technically the best gun ingame

but man

Everyone is tired of using it

[crimson pebble]

im a heavy sword hater i tried but i just dont fw it

[winter grove]

VIAG5:

[full nacelle]

duelling sword master race

[little path]

giving duelling sword to everyone was wild

[umbral parrot]

Yea but i don't know what it does lol

But fine, i'll test it out myself. RIP Plasteel

[hasty otter]

Technically it is, but you have to do a lot of gymastics with it. It adds too much on the mental stack to be worth using honestly.

[little path]

doesn't cost plasteel to change blessings now

[echo vortex]

auric rolling steel is hell

[little path]

just gold

[winter grove]

Not anymore

It's ez to make a good plasma now

[echo vortex]

pub somehow people keep going slow

[full nacelle]

got it working! thank you kindly!

[umbral parrot]

Oh cool

And hey, nothing wrong with the Plasma Gun! It's fricking awesome.

[hasty otter]

I am not saying that its easy to make one. I am saying to wield and use it.

[full nacelle]

yeah I dunno I'd much rather just shoot and reload than have to deal with heat and... plasma reloads

[umbral parrot]

Plasma/Power Sword = perfection. I just want a Plasma Pistol to actually be like one of those Tempestus Scions.

[hasty otter]

I guess i am just not a fan lol.

[full nacelle]

same Nekuro... we can be crotchedy plasma haters together

[umbral parrot]

Boo!

[little path]

@umbral parrot okay so

[scenic merlin]

what perk do you guys run on powersword

[little path]

rising heat is actually supposed to be called energy leakage

and it gives power

[hasty otter]

Seeing the recent wave of Vets using it and blowing themselves up soured my favor for it.

Its probably because everyones saying that its good and newbies that dont know how to use it, use it and then die.

[umbral parrot]

THAT'S AWESOME~!!!!

So, extra punching power!?

[little path]

power cycler, slaughter

[umbral parrot]

Perks!

[little path]

oh that

I mean... flak maniac

[umbral parrot]

I go with %5 crit chance and 10% Weakspot Damage.

[last parcel]

nah gotta walk him every once in a while

[atomic zephyr]

just unlocked the mastery skin on bolt pistol

i love this thing now

[hasty otter]

Congratz

For some reason, the mastery skin's sight picture is actually just better

[atomic zephyr]

ooooooooooooooooooooo

[hasty otter]

Check it out

[little path]

I just use t he custom weapon mod for actual sights

[atomic zephyr]

im playing through geforce now

[little path]

not that I ever aim with the bolt pistol

[atomic zephyr]

so no mods

[atomic zephyr]

the posts are thinner and the tips of the posts are brighter

[full nacelle]

how much toughness do you get from a ranged kill on veteran?

[crimson pebble]

im going to walk you

[little path]

I thought every kill was 5

ranged or melee

[atomic zephyr]

i thought it was melee only

[hasty otter]

[full nacelle]

do ranged kills give toughness? do grenade kills give toughness?

these are the questions I'm asking 500+ hours into the game

[hasty otter]

If you have skills yeah?

Raw? I dont think so.

[atomic zephyr]

by default only melee gives toughness

[spark helm]

Is there a currency cap in this game?

[full nacelle]

gotcha ok

[atomic zephyr]

vet gets uh....20% toughness back on elite kill with confirmed takedown?

10%

[little path]

I imagine it's the integer cap

[atomic zephyr]

and 20% regen

[tame lodge]

Out for blood

[atomic zephyr]

i dont use the weapon specialist tree enough

mostly because i suck ass at melee

[full nacelle]

I'm doing a bolter exe stance born leader build

someone spank me

wait jk no I'm not

false alarm

I'm doing a bolt PISTOL VoC grenadier born leader build

[scenic merlin]

which power sword model is better?

[full nacelle]

VI

the push attack is nutty

3 is easier to pick up though

does anyone know if there is a weapon like the billhook from Vermintide in the game?

[scenic merlin]

gotcha

[full nacelle]

I don't think so but I'd love one

[umbral parrot]

Higher levels are amazing since you run across a lot of everything.

[tame lodge]

Ogryns pickaxe

[umbral parrot]

I still gow ith Out For Blood because i get a free 5% movement speed.

[full nacelle]

Really?! I'm gonna have to play more Ogryn

[umbral parrot]

I love going fast with my Powersword. Close the distance, longer strides, make a quicker escape.

[hasty otter]

I think it has to be the Branx pick or the Karsolas

[full nacelle]

oh thank you lord jesus 🙏

[umbral parrot]

Branx is SOOOOOOO FUN!~

[hasty otter]

if my memory serves, it feels like the karsolas

[umbral parrot]

It's like... using a glaive.... but like.... made out of a pickaxe instead.

[hasty otter]

Branx master race. We all know.

[tame lodge]

Borovian and Karsolas are hooks

[hasty otter]

[full nacelle]

I would go back and play some Vermintide just to play more billhook Saltzpyre

[peak badge]

Y/N?

[trim steppe]

Naw

[full nacelle]

fine for now, get a better one later with more stopping power

[umbral parrot]

Try something more like this.

Stopping Power and Damage!

And yes, that's my god roll Plasma Gun, it's awesome.

[full nacelle]

how does rising heat work?

20% scaling of what?

[hasty otter]

I am really happy that Godrolling is simple now.

[umbral parrot]

Apperently damage.

[hasty otter]

You can just pump out a god rolled weapon so fast.

[umbral parrot]

Whoops, did not mean to @ lol

[tame lodge]

Strength

[umbral parrot]

Yea, i fear the game will be too easy.... but then again, i look at my team8s and laugh.

[full nacelle]

Same Nekuro... I used to spam play the game just to dump everything into Hadron's rng slot machine when I wanted to try out 20 different builds

now I can just grind them out and make them

feels so good

[atomic zephyr]

can confirm, its one of my favorite traits

[full nacelle]

ohhh ok, thanks

[hasty otter]

Look, i am not going back to the casino we had back then NOR am i going to the lootbox hell that was VT2 and VT1

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[full nacelle]

yeah this update was absolutely MASSIVE

[atomic zephyr]

the crafting system was the last major problem i had with this game

i can finally genuinely recommend it to people w/o a caveat

[full nacelle]

yeah feels so damn good

I think I'm going to start making build vods on youtube

I'm that psyched about playing again

[hasty otter]

Well you can just say. That this game got soft-rebooted again.

[atomic zephyr]

wow i cant believe darktide finally released

[hasty otter]

1.0

[little path]

I would say the game still needs more missions before I fully recommend it

[hasty otter]

After 2 years

[full nacelle]

yeah that's true

[little path]

because frankly most people don't even reach level 30

[atomic zephyr]

more missions is a minor gripe compared to the crafting system imo

that's definitely next though

[hasty otter]

If you think about it now. They can solely focus on content now instead of fixing the game.

[little path]

most people play on normal or easy once of like every mission then stop

[peak badge]

ok i rerolled and made this, but i'm broke lol

[hasty otter]

They were concentrated in fixing the game for 2 years now.

[peak badge]

need to reperk

[umbral parrot]

Keep it!

[little path]

[full nacelle]

I honestly wish they'd lower the amount of exp it takes to level early

[atomic zephyr]

should i keep this?

[umbral parrot]

Stopping Power is literally all you need.... until you get more damage and less Charge Rate.

[full nacelle]

darktide doesn't feel like darktide until you're at least in damnation imo

[umbral parrot]

^

[hasty otter]

I mean if you put it like that, even adding more missions wont get to play more, it would just extend their playtime.

[atomic zephyr]

the gameplay sings in damnation

[full nacelle]

and auric is the true experience once you're comfy with the combat

[umbral parrot]

I do wish someone would do an All Grey weapon/No Talent run in Damnation with me sometday.

-sniff- No friends sucks lol.

[full nacelle]

I'm sorry Fork

I'm a build slut

[tall torrent]

Gain 1 stack (max 5 stacks) of +4% R.str upon reaching 19% heat, and further 1 stack per 18% heat generated after. Stacks decay as heat level drops below 91%, 73%, 55%, 37% and 19%.

[full nacelle]

I couldn't

[umbral parrot]

Yea, it do be like that.

[full nacelle]

now if they introduced a level above auric damnation

that'd be awesome

that isn't just maelstrom obviously

[umbral parrot]

^

I am afraid it will just be bullet sponges at that point tho

I'd prefer more enemies, longer missions, maybe -1 wound?

[tall torrent]

auric is as far as they're willing to go atm
higher statistical difficulty = completely new breakpoints = fuck everything u have

[hasty otter]

I'd do stuff like that, but I play after work and prefer to be playing stress-free as much as i can.

[umbral parrot]

Understandable lol

[full nacelle]

I'm ok with the growing pains. I'm ok with breakpoints being fucked. I just want something more to strive for.

but I get why other people would be pissed

[umbral parrot]

Oh

I would love an actual Solo Mode

No, not the stupid Single Player thing people are crying about

[tall torrent]

if ur complaint is like, power creep with players then new difficulty is not a real solution

[umbral parrot]

ACTUAL Solo, no team8s, just you in a default mission!

[hasty otter]

If they actually did that, it would either require another bump in gear score OR be extremely punishing with spongey enemies

[full nacelle]

Well I definitely think they need to nerf the top performing weapons/talents too

[hasty otter]

FS did that once and it costed them a lot of money

[atomic zephyr]

joins quickplay
loading screen
immediately lose

[hasty otter]

chaos wastes

[atomic zephyr]

i guess that's enough darktide for me tonight

[full nacelle]

I'm down for another bump in gear score now that weapon mastery is out and beautiful

[umbral parrot]

Context~! I skipped VT 2

[little path]

I mean yeah. That would kinda be the goal

[trim steppe]

free plasteel!

[atomic zephyr]

ya and mastery too

[full nacelle]

but again, this is looking WAY into the future

I'm real happy with the game for now

[atomic zephyr]

i didnt like VT2, something about it didnt stick

[little path]

Kinda like how most friend groups just play through left for dead once or twice

[tall torrent]

winds of magic has cataclysm difficulty
it's also a paid DLC that costs 20 bucks

[umbral parrot]

Not me. I want solo and more I-II-VEG

[hasty otter]

Chaos wastes was the community dumping ground for hate. I dont think FS wants to replicate that again.

[umbral parrot]

Pay for higher difficulty!? lol

[tall torrent]

nah it was winds of magic

[full nacelle]

I never got into Chaos Wastes

[hasty otter]

OH sorry yea

[tall torrent]

chaos wastes was a free expansion of roguelike

[hasty otter]

my bad i had it confused.

[umbral parrot]

Roguelike? WAIT WAIT

[tall torrent]

chaos wastes were generally well received

[umbral parrot]

HOW is a Tidegame work as a Roguelike? Lol, you randomly loot weapons till you die?

[hasty otter]

Winds of magic's rating is still low as hell AFAIK

[tall torrent]

u pick a class and go in, randomly acquire upgrades & talents while progressing through a level

[hasty otter]

I am glad that FS is learning off that

[umbral parrot]

I NEED THIS~! ! !!

[hasty otter]

At least i think.

[umbral parrot]

Very fitting for Darktide since we're all generic characters....

Well, as generic as a Veteran who can 1v1 a Beast of Nurgle can be.....

You know, lorewise, we can take on Space Marines at this point!

[tall torrent]

I don't think it'll work that well for DT because skill tree is much more complex than the 6-tier-talent system

[umbral parrot]

Dang....

[hasty otter]

4 classes with 3 subclasses. thats 12 different builds NOT accounting the custom builds people make.

[umbral parrot]

And yea, you're right. A long of talents work like a cog. Dotting them around would be weird.

[tall torrent]

and DT has some weapons that straight up don't function properly without specific blessings

[umbral parrot]

Vermintide had no such issues!?

[hasty otter]

Of course it did

[tall torrent]

vermintide has very strong weapon traits

but it's not on the same level of "combat axe without BM"

[hasty otter]

Also true yeah

[umbral parrot]

OOOOH

I SEEEEEE lol

[hasty otter]

I dont like VT2 because the classes are so ridged (except for grail knight)

[umbral parrot]

Still, I do want a Roguelike game tho in Darktide's fashion

Like, just trying your luck.....

OR SURVIVAL MODE! I want that too.

Random objectives sprinkled about in a arena and survive as long as possible.

[willow talon]

Any weapon recommendation for T5 auric maelstrom. My bolter pistol got too little ammo, and my recon needs constant fire so that I can protect myself.

[umbral parrot]

100 ammo on a Bolt Pistol is too little!?

[torn gorge]

revolver/caxe prob still the strongest

[fleet garden]

you can run maelstrom as anything

im currently doing bolter+duelling sword

[tribal pelican]

Okay this slaps

[umbral parrot]

Bolter+Chainsword is awesome.

But doing Powersword/Plasma Gun since i want to win 8 times.

[tribal pelican]

just did a auric mealstrom with randos and it went very well

[fleet garden]

power sword is ok but id rather run duelling sword, axe or like anything else after using it for months

[full nacelle]

Awesome! Glad you had enjoyed it!

[hasty otter]

Bolt gun gud.

[full nacelle]

Gonna have to run it myself soon

I haven't played a full-on bolter build since the buffs

[hasty otter]

Probably the best glow up for it so far.

I think they have more buffs in the pipeline

[tribal pelican]

I do think I got lucky playing with randos with very good horde clear on the auric mealstrom i definatly felt that if that was not the case id of gotten overunn

[hasty otter]

You'll realize you dont have to rely on using shout all the time.

Its refreshing.

[willow talon]

Too many specialists and elites, I guess. And also maybe my aim could be better.

[tribal pelican]

they made it sound that way in the patch notes I really hope that come up with a way for the bolt pistol to not just be a worse revolver in every way

[fleet garden]

eh its not worse, has way better clear and with the new blessings its actually really good

[hasty otter]

Revolver is too boring for me

I like the quickdraw one a lot more than the base.

[red robin]

so based

[full nacelle]

Yeah that's definitely where any bolter build is going to struggle! Luckily the knife gives it a great defensive option for when you need to reposition

[umbral parrot]

This Bolt Pistol does the work of the God Emperor.

Weapon Specialist for1 100% crit

[tribal pelican]

is stability dump stat on pistol?

speaking of dump whats bolters mobility presumably?

[full nacelle]

bolt pistol without lethal proximity though... you ever tried that blessing with a grenadier build?

funny stuff

[umbral parrot]

Context?

[full nacelle]

the blessing increases explosion radius... which affects your grenades explosion radius

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[viral nacelle]

It’s fairly accurate

I’ve been doing auric maels with a shout/bolt pistol/caxe grenade spam build and had no issues snap shotting stuff long range. Its not revolver tier accurate but it will do long range anti sniper duty just fine

Also the right side key stone that gives you bonuses for swapping is a lot of fun

[low pagoda]

What are we using on the boltgun ?

[fleet garden]

pinning and surgical/bleed

it already oneshots any specials so puncture is really nice for bosses or big groups of crushers

[faint beacon]

Vets I hate to say it

Unironically had fun using this

[low pagoda]

Good for spam ?

[viral nacelle]

Lmao that does look fun

[last parcel]

yer a zealot | meta | no stealth now

[faint beacon]

kick on sight if using Stealth

[spark helm]

Yes. Shredder autopistol been fun.

[trim steppe]

Oh shit the emperor has upgraded his blessings with this patch

[rose gale]

who needs stealth when i can mow than a horde with a machinegun ?

[spark helm]

You just stealth with the machine gun.

[umbral parrot]

Ehh... I guess? I love Collateral because of supression and stagger and stuff. Regardless, Damage and Mobility. Run n Gun along with Skirmisher = 40% Damage. Factor in the 100% Crit Weakspot damage..... that's what? 2800 Damage from a single shot to the head while running at your enemies?

[faint beacon]

its notoriously weak

but I noticed with those two blessings it made it actually

playable

and fun

[spark helm]

That's why we pay attention to things that aren't just damage output.

[tribal pelican]

Id definantly love to see your full build in build edditor if you dont mind

[umbral parrot]

Always go as Weapon Specialist to get the most bang for your buck when it comes to Crits. Generally speaking however, you should be doing lots of melee.

Yea, givem e a sec

[trim steppe]

empowering it changed it to a 79% finesse RIP

[spark helm]

Being a toughness printer is incredibly solid.

[last parcel]

bro got fatsharked

[faint beacon]

It clicked to me how

dumb inspiring might be

with born leader

[last parcel]

that’s why you have born leader + inspiring gloryhunter bolter

[umbral parrot]

I take it back! I also get another 25% from Agile Engagement. So doing the math again.... umm...

[sick tree]

good perks for mkvii recon?

[umbral parrot]

1k damage on Crit Weakspot damage.... then another 40% from Skirmisher/Run N Gun, and then Agile Engagement gives another 25%... that's what?

BAH nvm. let me recreate the actual damage lol

[trim steppe]

flak + maniac/crit chance

[umbral parrot]

Regardless, this Bolt Pistol demands high aggression, and I LOOOOOVE Melee~!

Not bad if i may say so.

[full nacelle]

One of my current favorite builds is an autopistol support build based entirely around buffing the team while debuffing the enemy and constantly knocking stuff on its ass with the secondary fire

Autopistol haters keep hating

[umbral parrot]

For sure, with the Bolt Pistol, you can 1 shot anything else except Carapace.

[sick tree]

got a good build for it too? relatively new and still figuring everything out

[faint beacon]

its the weakest gun in the game but with the blessings I swear it made it actually on par with a lot of other

okay/solid weapons

[viral nacelle]

Share it?

[umbral parrot]

WTF is wrong with the Bolt Pistol!??!?!?!

That was clearly a fricking Head Shot!

[terse gate]

Unironically I used an infiltrator auto pistol build for aurics waaaay back in like 23. I used it for a long ass time and absolutely did work

[umbral parrot]

FINALLY~! ! !!

[oblique totem]

Rip

[umbral parrot]

Still, Bolt Pistol is kinda busted if that's the case. That was 100% a head shot.

[trim steppe]

This isn't optimized but runs pretty well. Go with deathspitter + dumdum for blessings

[oblique totem]

My strat: Accuracy doesn't matter if your rate of fire is high enough

[umbral parrot]

You can't have a high rate of fire with a Bolt Pistol!

Regardless, Bolt Pistol hits like a truck with my build.

To be fair, anything with Run and Gun can.

[stiff vector]

Wish i had the cool moebian armor from the penance pass. Unfortunately all i got is the bleh moebian 21st one.

How tf do poeple do penances enough to get it? im barely at like 2k penance points

[umbral parrot]

But unlike Stubby, I don't need to reload 1 at a time.

[trim steppe]

Its easy, you just have to play way too much

[last parcel]

all the operative penances
completing each mission on auric damnation
the natural killing stuff

[sick tree]

genuinely appreciate it man

[last parcel]

you can even skip some of the class penances

[stiff vector]

dam can barely do lvl 5 missions. i dont think ill get that armor. Plus i only play veteran.

[hasty otter]

if you play as another class, theres penances to those classes too

[stiff vector]

yeah i know

i just dont like palying them

i wanna play guardsman

[last parcel]

damn yeah class penances give a lot of progress. there’s also penances for each martyr’s skull and weapon mastery, but after that it’s just the map grinding ones

[hasty otter]

Well, do auric and damnation

Get good

[trim steppe]

dunno if you can complete the track right now by playing 1 class. Theres like 180 penances for the others

[hasty otter]

Beef up your armoury and try tackling higher level content

[stiff vector]

i dont like how they made it so you HAVE to play all the other classes to unlcok the cool armor for the class you want to wear it on

[trim steppe]

you can skip all of the big grind penances like playing 100 matches of a map type, but only if you do the class ones

[hasty otter]

What do you mean?

I don't think i've seen that myself.

[trim steppe]

well you get the armor for all 4 classes at once, its a big prize for "finishing" things

[stiff vector]

The moebian sixth armor

[fleet garden]

you cant

[stiff vector]

yeah i know. why couldnt they do it indiviual for each class.

[hasty otter]

Engagement

[trim steppe]

There are still individual class rewards, just not that one

[hasty otter]

[stiff vector]

yeah like the cadian armor with the still clipping hsoulder pad

honestly i feel like the devs try their hardest to not give us a good generic guardsmen armor

[trim steppe]

Dunno what to tell you brother if you dont play all of the game you wont get all of the stuff

[glad oasis]

Hey everyone. So Rashad. I've seen cases made for Maniac/Flak and I've seen arguments for Unarmored/Carapace... Is this based on build? Or what's the story here?

[stiff vector]

yeah i have to play all of the game to unlock what i want for the part i like. its dumb.

[trim steppe]

Devs have made lots of decisions, some good, some bad, but overall things are in a great place finally

[stiff vector]

still waiting for them to add adding different sights and bayonets to your lasguns. or make the kantreal lasgun full auto so you dont get carpal tunnel

[hasty otter]

Its in the code. I hope they're working on it.

[trim steppe]

Unarmored lets you hit scab bruiser 1-shot breakpoints, which lets you kill 4 in 1 hit instead of 1 in 2 hits. so its an 800% increase in clear speed against bruiser swarms. Dreg bruiser 1-shot can be reached without flak damage perk if you have a few stacks of headtaker, so you can take carapace to kill crushers and maulers in 1 less hit

[stiff vector]

its been 2 years. ive lost hope

[trim steppe]

I dunno what the flak/maniac benefit would be, honestly

[hasty otter]

I mean it took them 2 years to rework itemizations. You're playing FS game so this isnt the first thats like that

[worldly pulsar]

How does Weapons Specialist interact with Helbore bayonets?

[stiff vector]

honestly id drop darktide if a decent guardsman game came out.

[trim steppe]

That is honestly very unlikely to happen i think, they dont seem to be planning any gun customization features. Mods will be the only way

You'll get gun customization with solo play

[hasty otter]

We never know what they're woking on. I wouldnt say its out of the deck.

Hell no one expected them to just make god rolling this easy.

[trim steppe]

I said unlikely not impossible. Just my opinion

[stiff vector]

same when they update the non cash cosmetic shop (never)

[last parcel]

bayonet kills give the Melee Specialist stack, since it's a kill while your ranged weapon is out

[worldly pulsar]

Bummer

[dark echo]

Why is uncanny strike recommended for the duelling sword? Its completely unnecessary for meeting 1-2 shot breakpoints. Thrust + talents already let's you 2 shot crushers and 1 shot on a crit. You're better off taking riposte instead for more consistent oneshots than uncanny strike which takes longer to build and doesn't change breakpoints at all

[mental cloud]

I’ve tried uncanny and now relentless stikes. Notice no change. I’m about to try riposte on it and see how that goes lol.

But thrust is a must.

It’s fun as hell though.

[sick hamlet]

Is relentless worth anythign on duelling?

[mental cloud]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I didn’t notice any breakpoint changes….

[glad oasis]

That's really well put. I appreciate the insight. I saw that so many enemies are listed as maniac it kinda felt like a no brainer, but your reasoning makes sense!

[dark echo]

You have to hit the same target and you already 2 shot crushers at worst, so you get no value out of relentless

Uncanny technically let's you oneshot crushers on non crit heavies if you get 4-5 stacks, but riposte offers more value over the course of an entire mission overall

You should already have roughly 75% crit chance with riposte though which is virtually guaranteed crits every 1-2 hits

So 1/4 hits you don't oneshot a crusher, but you just fire off an uncharged heavy and instantly kill them anyways

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2166ed-a187-4cfc-9eee-5fc2792d69cb/autopistolsupport

Sorry, was out running for some late night Taco Bell... Here ya go! It's a full support build based around buffing the entire squad and "healing" them through born leader + inspiring barrage while you suppress everything you shoot at.

You could take powderburn over pinning fire for even more suppression but that seemed like overkill when Pinning Fire is always at max stacks.

[trim steppe]

When in doubt, flak + maniac is a solid choice as it covers the most bases. A lot of weapons use that combo. But some have specializations that give you better mileage

[full nacelle]

carapace is one to keep in mind, especially on melee weapons

they're usually your crusher killer in a lot of circumstances

also inspiring barrage + born leader = not bad?

it's on average 12.6 toughness per second for allies

[tribal pelican]

what vet melee weapon has the best horde clear

[full nacelle]

rashad axe

also good against carapace enemies and bosses

just slap brutal momentum and headtaker on and you're golden

[tribal pelican]

what IS hitmass anywho

[trim steppe]

It does everything, just take whatever gun you want along with it

[trim steppe]

hitmass stops your swing from cleaving and hitting multiple enemies

If your swing is a weakspot kill, your swing will continue and deal full damage to 3 more enemies. so you can kill 4 bruisers every swing by spamming left click at their heads

[wise wren]

Hey any guide on the dueling swords yet?

[trim steppe]

yeah a brief one in the link in the pins

[sharp epoch]

anyone know recon lasgun dumpstat

[tame lodge]

Collat

Always collat

[tidal rapids]

Ammo /s

[jaunty spindle]

Best powersword setup? Should I take sunder or bm, also which mark is better?

[tame lodge]

Mk 6
BM

[jaunty spindle]

Any benefit over mk3?

[tame lodge]

PUSH ATTACK has insane weakspot damage

[umbral parrot]

This! It's the reason why i go full stamina! 3 3 3 Stamina with Sprint and stamina regen. Pop heads left and right!

Which i am kinda mad thay removed the -50 sprint efficiency because I was able to run forever~!

[tribal pelican]

whats dump stat on bolter?

[umbral parrot]

Which also goes well with Brutal Momentum!

[tribal pelican]

mobility? or stability

[umbral parrot]

Bolt Pistol? I'd say stability

Mobility = survival. Anyone who says otherwise is doing you wrong.

[tribal pelican]

it depends on dodge break points does it not dodge distence is typicaly negligable

[umbral parrot]

Still stand with what i say

100%

[tribal pelican]

guess this is the shit then

[umbral parrot]

Also, dodge distance is very important, not negligable! I'd rather have a 60 damage powersword than 60 mobility powersword.... i've actually ran that for a good long while.

Which is another reason why i love Weapon specialist~! ! !

Looks like a fun weapon!

[tribal pelican]

i cannot help but feel deadshot might be overkill on a exec stance bolter build

[umbral parrot]

Oooh.... not sure if you're going left side.

[tall torrent]

Mobility

[patent birch]

power sword perks and blessings?

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol dump is collateral

Most weapons’ dump is mobility tho

[umbral parrot]

HALT

[tall torrent]

Basically dump mobility unless there’s something that does even less

[tribal pelican]

I am also interested in this

[umbral parrot]

Cycler and BM for me. Always

[trim steppe]

Power Cycler + BM or Sunder

This

Power sword has SHIT mobility so its a rare case for me to actually want as high mobility as I can get to offset the weight around my ankle. Cleave Targets doesn't do very much since you have empowered BM swings

[umbral parrot]

Yep, mobility is awesome with PW

[regal smelt]

i wonder if fs will start balancing the stat bars themselves now that we basically have full control if them. its easy to spot the dumpstats even if you're a newer player

[umbral parrot]

noooooOOOOOO

My game crashed and i had a grim!

I was even talking though ship too~!

Oh well....

[umbral parrot]

Anywho, let's see Paul Allen's Power Sowrd.

This is my beauty. Pop heads left and right, dunking on Beast of Nurgles with a clean hit. Gosh, I am in love with the Power Sword~! ❤️ ~! ! !

[blissful cliff]

"This is my Power Sword, there are many like it but this one is mine!"

[dark echo]

What shotgun sucks the least on vet?

[blissful cliff]

double barrel i would imagine?

[earnest bone]

double barrel with weapon specialist and manstopper

every 3 melee kills 100% critshot + 1 ammo autoload even at 1 kill (if you swap)

[blazing notch]

is "close damage" all close range damage, guns and melee included?

[earnest bone]

The buff is not retained if you switch to melee, as far as i remember

it works with zealot throwing knives though

[blazing notch]

oof, but with only 3.5 seconds it wouldn't even be worth it anyways lol

[earnest bone]

nah, it would work, talents like Agile Engagement propose that, with the node before you get 10 + 25% melee damage and 25% ranged damage

[radiant chasm]

Agri and double barrel

Agri is literally only worse than top meta picks like zarona

Oh wait lemme check if they renamed combat shotguns

[earnest bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283741449007009792/1289113696483676182/image.png?ex=66faefef&is=66f99e6f&hm=d649679a96ae897d8ba2d976c21550cee1a5ca9da744740466d1cc30ad127b75&

[radiant chasm]

Yea i pulled out my own screenshot xd

So slug shotgun is still agri

[torpid grotto]

why man

[torn moat]

Agri is best shotgun? Man I must have been away for awhile

Last I was active, Kant was best shotgun... But that was months ago.

[radiant chasm]

Kant was only best shotgun on zealot

[fresh mango]

so what does rising heat do again?

power?

[radiant chasm]

Strength aka the rename for power

[fresh mango]

alright, silly how its just + scaling

[torn moat]

Kant had the whole infinite pierce on it's flame shells (for crowds) and it had solid damage/spread as long as you ADS.

[radiant chasm]

It also has massive fall off and didn’t synergize well with pre 13 vet

[torn moat]

Agri's spread and damage falloff used to be worse... (Unless you loaded a slug and headshot).

[earnest bone]

i think they kind of nerfed that 4 months ago or was it bulwarks

i forgot

[radiant chasm]

And it’s the accatran now kek

[torn moat]

I'll have to give them all a try again... I haven't even used the pick axe or the double barrel yet.

[radiant chasm]

Agri has the tightest choke in ads with normal rounds, fall off is a bit brutal but it’s still completely good at cleaving through conga lines of gunners and shotgunners

[rigid pilot]

I really love the tight spread on normal shot

Oneshots consistently vs dreg/flak gunners at 15m range

[torn moat]

I just remember Agri used to be a joke unless you planned to use slug constantly.

[radiant chasm]

It was always agri vet, zealot used kanty, lawbringer was trash

[wise wren]

Hey what blessings / perks do I want on the dueling?

[radiant chasm]

It never was a joke imo people were just too harsh on it cause revolver/plasma existed

[rigid pilot]

You don't really need the slug now, although slug is really good current patch because it stills opens bulwarks shields

[torn moat]

Uncanny and Reposte for mk4

[rigid pilot]

One slug to open, one slug to head, dead bulwark

[radiant chasm]

Lawbringer got buffed, kanty got nerfed, agri got some good stuff

[torn moat]

Well... Uncanny for sure. Reposite is one of like 3 good options

[radiant chasm]

It also cleaves a ton with manstopper

Sure it can’t hit armor like revolver

[rigid pilot]

No respite might help with bulwark breakpoint but I forgor

[radiant chasm]

But it can still wipe a conga line of specs or elites

[torn moat]

Do shotguns punchthrough multiple bodies now?

(with regular shots?)

[radiant chasm]

Behold manstopper

Look upon it and praise templar

[rigid pilot]

Basically brumo for ranged weapon

[radiant chasm]

Uncapped brumo

[rigid pilot]

[torn moat]

brumo?

Brutal Momentum?

[radiant chasm]

Vet has so many tools to force crits to not be rng you just run manstopper on every shotgun

Cause it’s just that good

Someone pull up that like, dozen scab shotgunners vs agri shotgun with manstopper clip

Or maybe it was 2 dozen i dont remember

[torn moat]

Man stopper won't solve damage falloff over distance though?

[radiant chasm]

Doesn’t need to

Minimum pellet damage has been buffed for all the shotguns p sure

But who cares about distance when everything in close to medium range is evaporated

Or you have slug and wipe out a conga line

[rigid pilot]

It's not as good as volvo

But it's another choice

It also has better stagger than volvo

So it's great for stopping ragers even if you don't kill them

[torn moat]

Volvo? Is that the new shorthand for V. Revolver?

[rigid pilot]

Volvo you better kill them before they reach you lol

[tall torrent]

man I hate how hard plasma is to roll

[rigid pilot]

Yea

[tall torrent]

I think I spent a collective 2M dockets for nothing

[rigid pilot]

I usually get a perfect 80/60 spread within 20 rolls though

[tall torrent]

this system literally does not generate 3x80+2x70 spreads

[rigid pilot]

Oh 2x 70

[tall torrent]

yea that's the thing

plasma doesn't want 4x80+60

[rigid pilot]

Why 70

[tall torrent]

plasma wants 3x80+69+71

[rigid pilot]

Oh lord

[tall torrent]

but 70x2 is essentially the same thing

negligible difference

literally half the rolls rn are just 4x80+60

[radiant chasm]

Like i said, compare anything to revokver and it will come out short

[earnest bone]

it seems rng isnt really rng

there's like some patterns to that

[tall torrent]

it's actually insane how hard plasma is to perfect roll atm

[rigid pilot]

I like shotty stagger though, that's one thing it does better

[tall torrent]

there's literally no other weapon that's as hard to roll

also plasteel is literally worthless now

docket vs plasteel spending ratio is at like 100:3

speedrun is genuinely the best way to play and I'm not a fan

[agile finch]

whats the best helbore mark

[tall torrent]

IIIa or V

[thorny gorge]

Recon las still goes hard

Lacerate on my knife and its a wrap

[blazing notch]

Yeah instead of actually using the guns to level them up I have started to just play on my best class + loadout setup to farm materials to just buy a bunch of X weapon archetype, make them green, and sacrifice them

Might not be as fast but its much less painful lol

[thorny gorge]

^

This is the way

[hollow turtle]

Boy... Ammo starved autoguns sure are popular lately.

[blazing notch]

Buy or nah?

this one isn't in the veteran class guide, guessing we just got it from another class this patch

[last parcel]

no

[rigid pilot]

Nah

Finesse dump, ew

[blazing notch]

I haven't used them before, what does finesse influence?

[rigid pilot]

Press inspect weapin

[blazing notch]

Bruh didn't realize I could inspect weapons in the shop 💀

[last parcel]

and yes it is, even in the outdated pdf

[rigid pilot]

[blazing notch]

wym?

Are there 2 guides?

Or under diff name?

[last parcel]

that's the combat kknife search, not the combat blade page

and the ms word link in the same post is updated

[tall torrent]

No I mean like, the best way to farm resources rn is basically to speed through missions as fast as possible and ignore every potential plasteel/diamantine pickup

Because dockets outweigh literally everything else when it comes to spending, by a very significant margin

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

bruh it was under blade and I was looking up Knife... my bad pimps and pimpettes

[last parcel]

tbf reasonable mistake to make since everyone calls it knife

[tall torrent]

Even in like the best case scenario it’s at around 100:3 in terms of docket vs plasteel costs for getting a gold max power weapon

And that’s assuming brunt doesn’t scam u with RNG

[blazing notch]

My monkey brain could not see a big ass Plasteel or Diamantine pickup and not beeline for it lol

[tall torrent]

On a weapon that’s hard to roll (like plasma) it could very well be 10000:3

Or even higher

[tall torrent]

Trust me plasteel genuinely doesn’t matter now

You spend ~3k to upgrade a weapon from grey to gold max power

But you’re not gonna upgrade every weapon, only ones that have good distribution

Getting good distribution is all dockets

Empowering also costs dockets

[blazing notch]

and now getting good distribution is literally the only thing that matters bc unlocked

[tall torrent]

Swapping perks & blessings also cost dockets

[blissful cliff]

did i win?

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

Very close but not perfect

[blissful cliff]

[thorny gorge]

[tall torrent]

Perfect is 69 thermal, 71 charge rate, 80 everything else

You’re 3% off

Mine is also 3% off

[blissful cliff]

good enough

I'm not rolling anymore lmao

[blazing notch]

I am still a charge rate dump stat gamer

[tall torrent]

Rolling for plasma is genuinely the most frustrating part about crafting now

I think every other weapon besides plasma wants 4x80+60?

[blazing notch]

I assume this weirdly specific stat distribution is to hit certain breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

No, it’s so u have 8 consecutive shots instead of 7

And still get as high firerate as possible while having max damage & ammo

[blazing notch]

Ahh I see

[blissful cliff]

What build am i running for plasma? (At this point i've ran like 4 different vet builds and i don't plan to stop <.< )

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1290077509890736161/Screenshot_2024-09-28_205115.png?ex=66fb25ce&is=66f9d44e&hm=082c6d7c0dea1516380b0051f1b0fa9d00d50e10e85476a87430e90d03d6a6a4&

I’m running this rn

[rigid pilot]

Plasma can run anything

[thick needle]

Picking Dueling Sword and Helbore for a Krieg cosplay build may not have been the most meta option but it did unlock a new synergy I call "sprinting really fucking fast all the time"

[tall torrent]

Shame that it needs breakpoints

[rigid pilot]

Does it tho

Just shoot twice

[blissful cliff]

The Emperor Protects

[tall torrent]

If I had to shoot twice on plasma to kill every gunner, flamer & Tox bomber

[blazing notch]

I have started to like Smoke grenades

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t touch plasma ever

[blazing notch]

As long as I have something else in my kit for the big guys

[tall torrent]

That’s just a flat downgrade over every other DMR

[rigid pilot]

You would still have enough ammo to spare for sure

[tall torrent]

Sure but it’ll just be worse than every other DMR at doing its job

At that point it’s not worth running besides “haha funny cleave”

[blissful cliff]

What perks on the plasma and what melee are you running with it?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak
I run Rashad

[blissful cliff]

fuck, i haven't leveled axes yet lmao

I'll just use a shovel

[tall torrent]

This is made for scab no ammo but also functions well outside of that

[thick needle]

Also decided to try ABAG with Exe Stance
It does not work

It barely shrinks the reticle at all
The damage boost is nice but it's not worth it

[wise wren]

Yo, perks for the dueling sword? flak and what else

[junior needle]

SM2 pvp is hilariously unbalanced

The matchmaking is AWFUL and it takes so long to level up

[blissful cliff]

I was wondering why tf it wasn't doing any damage.

It's cause i forgot to change the perks lmao

[tall torrent]

I use maniac + unyielding

[undone ravine]

Had it been explained how the mastery and blessing points were retroactively given to people? Like i used the hell out of the sapper shovel for months but the only weapon with significant blessing points in it was the shock maul that id just recently started using like the week before the update

[tidal rapids]

The mastery points came from existing blessings you had in your library, that is blessing you've acquired through weapon sacrificing

[thick needle]

Flak & Maniac personally

[full nacelle]

Flak and carapace

[tidal rapids]

For example, I've sacrificed a fair few lasguns to fill up my blessings collection for lasgun and so I've gotten a fair headstart on the lasgun mastery track. On the other hand, my powersword which I used since forever didn't have any mastery because I didn't sacrifice any for their blessings to add to the library

[undone ravine]

Might be true but doesnt track in my mind, i had two level 5 blessings on my maul so i feel like i wouldve been at like 16 lvl mastery instead of the 12 or so it started me at

But my opinion i guess

[tidal rapids]

Having it on the weapon isn't enough

You need to have sacrificed a weapon for that blessing, as in it's in your collection of blessings that you could rebless a weapon to have later.

[undone ravine]

I see

[trim steppe]

I had 23 weapons 100% complete before the patch, I'm talking all blessings T1-T4. The rest I had a minimum of all T3 and T4s. I only had 8 weapons maxed after the patch, most were like 15-17, with a few 12s

[tidal rapids]

I can't really speak to how that was calculated, only that it's takes input from how many unlocked blessings you have and potentially the tier of the blessings.

But with mastery 15-17, from my experience that's generally very quick to max out with successful damnation runs

[last parcel]

they have some example calculations in the migrate section
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/itemization-overview-dev-blog/98828

[trim steppe]

Oh I maxed out everything before I never played a mission, I had 100s of weapons on each class and I just tossed a bunch at Hadron and she maxed me out

like 2 greens gives you a whole mastery level

[tidal rapids]

Well there's that as well

Though I'm pretty sure the actual amount of master xp form sacrificed weapons comes from its rating rather than rarity

[trim steppe]

Oh is that what it is? I literally only had 370+ before the patch so all my greens and stuff were like 470+ after the patch

I thought it was weird that I was getting so much so fast

[tribal pelican]

how come i never see comparative urg on builds on paper it seems dope near 100% uptime should not be to hard in auric damnation

[trim steppe]

And I thought it was weird that my greens and my oranges were sacrificing for the same mastery. But if its based on rating that makes a lot more sense

[tidal rapids]

I did some testing and saw that a blue weapon doesn't actually contribute more than a green one, and when I started power leveling my lvl 4 ogryn I was getting barely any weapon xp from sacrifice

[tribal pelican]

*competitive urge

[tidal rapids]

The main difference being that the low lvl ogryn was sacrificing sub 200 rating weapons, even if it's gold rarity

So, I'm pretty sure it's the rating

[trim steppe]

Yeah. Nice, thats a good observation, thanks

[tidal rapids]

Yeah, my hope was to give my low level ogryn weapons fit for damnation early through sacrifice

[trim steppe]

I was like "damn FS being generous with handing out mastery" not realizing that I've just been a dweeb hording fat weapons from a bunch of shop camping

[tidal rapids]

Then I saw how I was getting barely any mastery, I realised it would be quicker to just play with the weapons

And I had already burned through some 7000 plasteel and diamantine each messing with the crafting system for all 4 of my other operatives

[blissful cliff]

What's the best perks and blessings on the Rashad?

[tidal rapids]

It might've worked, if I spent all my time and resources going back and forth between Hadron and Brunt and really anything but playing the game

[trim steppe]

I have burned through about 80k plasteel since the patch... maybe 30k diamantine. I've been making perfect weapons on all the classes now that they are available lol

I've definitely spent 10x longer in the item menus than in game since hte patch lol

[tidal rapids]

Damn, I only ever had just over 20K of each saved up by the update though admittedly I haven't played for a long while

[trim steppe]

I had about 70k of each going into the patch and then I sold a shitload of oranges I had horded so I got like 50k more plasteel and whatever amount of diamatine

Felt good to finally get my inventories under control lol, I would lag a bit while scrolling my ranged weapon inv on my vet

[tidal rapids]

Oh? Selling gives crafting resources now?

[trim steppe]

purple gives plasteel and orange gives plasteel + dia

[last parcel]

it’s a strong but uncontrollable boost in a tree that has a lot of consistently strong options
you cant control the activation, so sometimes it activates only halfway through a fight or just at the end. it's not near 100% uptime. it feels closer to 60% but that's based on vibes from my usage of it and not hard numbers
with that uptime in mind, it's only really effective when your weapons aren't reliant on breakpoints
so basically it’s a luxury pick when most builds are already starved for points

[trim steppe]

and all still gives ordos

[tidal rapids]

I'll have to keep that in mind if I run short on crafting resources, though I don't imagine I will unless I really focus on sacrificing my way to full weapons mastery

I'll likely not since I'm not a completionist like that and I have a few favoured loadouts I'm loathe to change

[trim steppe]

It's a good amount, my oranges were selling for about 10k ordo, 225 plasteel and 50 dia

A nice little boost when the EMP gifts you some garbage orange

[tidal rapids]

The only times I ever used Emp gift weapons is during the grind to lvl 30 and only if that stats are higher than what I have already

And that was before this update when crafting was an expensive and unreliable endeavour

[thick needle]

I've spent 900k credits upgrading all my gear after this update lol

And I'm STILL not done

[tidal rapids]

An actual use for ordo dockets

Outside of buying junk from Brunt in bulk

[tall torrent]

dw after u max mastery it's all about docket grind

plasteel is worthless

[tidal rapids]

I think my zealot still has a dozen heavy eviserators sitting in inventory from when I was endlessly rolling the dice back then

Maybe one day I'll give them all one consecrate before sacrificing for another weapon mastery though I'm happy with the thunder hammer as my current default zealot weapon.

[junior needle]

Does that hit dreg bruisers without any melee boosts?

[tall torrent]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/weapon-stat-potential-fluctuates-when-empowering-and-general-stat-potential-distribution-is-poorly-done/99455?u=bath.rawr

Man I’m actually upset at how the current state of weapon stat distribution is

[jovial sky]

What weapons have people been using for Auric Maelstrom. I have heard shovel or power sword for melee. And then I am wondering what ranged weapons. Plasma gun is supposedly very good especially on higher difficulties. Imo it does feel good blasting through hordes of powerful enemies. But, it also feels super unwieldy imo.

[blissful cliff]

i've decided i dislike the plasma lmao

[tidal rapids]

Tried plasma once, didn't care for it.

That being said, I've seen vets do good work with it so probably a skill issue on my part.

[jovial sky]

I mean. It does feel super unwieldy imo. I personally really love the really quick swap weapons such as the revolvers. Makes the combat feel so good.

[blissful cliff]

I guess i just expected it to do more damage?

Idk, maybe i should pair with a knife so i'm not fully borked on mobility

[pastel geode]

How much does stability affect the shotguns?

[last parcel]

basically nothing

[tidal rapids]

Does it matter if you're using it at close range as intended?

[pastel geode]

Figured I should make sure before rolling for a 60 mobility shotty since I got a 60 stability already

[gloomy pollen]

kinda still is for upgrading weapon stats

my poor, poor plasteel

[last parcel]

there's a pinned message with a ms word link to an updated vet guide that includes rankings for stats for all weapons

[tidal rapids]

My face when I see empowering weapons uses as much plasteel as when I was randomly rolling for good perks and blessings pre update

[gloomy pollen]

economy is [still] in shambles...

at least weapon mastery is shared

[tidal rapids]

And thank the God Emperor for that

[gloomy pollen]

praise be!

[tidal rapids]

Except for Ogryns who have entirely unique weapons

[pastel geode]

The emperor demands his Tithe

[gloomy pollen]

ah, the horrible, horrible reminder
and i thought starting a new character was already a slog

[tidal rapids]

Which I happily pay so that I may spill the blood of His enemies better

[errant sable]

is precog/thrust the way to go on ds for vet?

[fresh mango]

bolt pistol dueling sword build is honestly pretty damm fun

[tidal rapids]

Me having created an Ogryn since the days of carnival but leaving it a lvl 4 and instead playing vet, psyker, zealot and zealot 2 up till now

And thus, got the new player experience as ogryn now

[gloomy pollen]

i have to switch to my veteran to take a break from levelling psyker

[fresh mango]

what blessings do yall use for bolt pistol?

[tidal rapids]

It's amusing being over 10 lvls lower than the rest of the team playing damnation missions

[tidal rapids]

I only run it on my zealot and it's currently got run and gun and weakpoint damage blessings

For vet, you may wish to take the blessing that gives more crit the longer you aim

The one that originally was for helbore lasgun

[blissful cliff]

I was running run and gun with lethal proximity on mine

[noble zinc]

I'm certainly enjoying not having to grind for manstopper or shotguns.

Praying the ogryn doesn't bull rush the perfectly lined up packs of ragers whilst I clutch the double barrel with malicious intent.

[viral swallow]

Been away for quite a bit, sounds like the pdf is outdated now?

[pseudo fiber]

There's a Web link

In pinned

[agile finch]

does vet make good use of the fan the hammer revolver

thinking i want to be a cowboy

[earnest bone]

yes

[agile finch]

does executioners let it hit fun breakpoints on things like ragers and gunners?

or should i be shouty

and i assume weapons specialist is ideal

[earnest bone]

i only remember it being able to delete bosses within one volley on weakspot with appr. buffs, so can't really help with that one, maybe someone who actually use it can answer

but its definitely viable on vet

(unlike zealot)

[agile finch]

you'd think it would be good on zealot given the -75% spread talent

alas

not really anything you need it for over the other revolv

[earnest bone]

yeah

zealot dont have access to strong ranged burst options

like vet

[agile finch]

honestly ive just started taking flamer+knives on basically all my zealot builds

[earnest bone]

previously there was one, but it was nerfed (aka deleted completely)

[agile finch]

rest in peace chastise gunning

[earnest bone]

because flamer is the best go-to choice for solo pub games, you can clear entire space from trash

and then fight crushers or boss

[agile finch]

also shreds elites with the new rending blessing it seems

sorry BRITTLENESS

!!

[earnest bone]

last time i went with it, you need 2 entire clips to burn a 6+ crushers pack

but i guess that's not too bad

[agile finch]

i saw a clip earlier this week of someone shredding a mauler pack in one tank

i assume you need anoint in blood

[earnest bone]

mauler pack in one tank is normal

even without 20% rending

[agile finch]

really? huh.

[earnest bone]

with overpressure its probably even faster

[earnest bone]

yeah, i burned 10 to 15 before crafting/blessing update

[agile finch]

i was told overpressure doesnt affect the burn stack damage?

[earnest bone]

was fixed (1+ year ago)

with crafting update

[agile finch]

[earnest bone]

FS aint the fastest

but they get the job done

so flamer has 3 options now

Blaze Away and

• Penetrating Flame vs Crushers
• Overpressure vs anything that's not Crushers
• Inspiring Barrage (mainly good for new players who take a lot of avoidable damage)

Penetrating Flame also extremely potent

if you got another Zealot with Flamer or Smuker Pusker

you can fart duo together

meaning its 1 clip to destroy 6+ crusher pack

https://tenor.com/view/teamwork-gif-11937128885494742584

[balmy dune]

Lethal Proximity because it works for grenades so I've learned here

room clearing frags

[frank basin]

i wish if is work with puncture

[balmy dune]

Me too. That would go too hard

[frank basin]

the good horde killing

boltpistol just go sniping as deadly accurate and surgical

[fresh mango]

If it worked with puncture that would legit be a fun alternate way to use it

[worthy lynx]

what does rising hit actually scale

[fresh mango]

strength (aka power)

[dire lagoon]

this

[worthy lynx]

okay

hm seems pretty strong then

rn playing around with gets hot/focused cooling

[tawdry jackal]

I wanna burn shit to death w zealot so probably time to do a 1-30 with that class

[uncut nest]

How are teh shock mauls compared to the power sword?

[wispy sorrel]

Anyone else wonder why the las guns have holes in the end of the barrel? It's a las gun, only light comes out of it. Shouldn't there be a lens there not a hole?

[topaz lance]

What does the 50% suppression node actually do?

what is more suppression? suppressing more targets? Longer?

[untold mulch]

🤷‍♂️ who knows

apart from "we wanted a laser gun that visually still is a gun"

[uncut pebble]

Bullets have a certain suppression value tied to them, and certain enemies need a certain suppression value to become suppressed. Anything increasing suppression affects these values. (this is what I assume it means)

[untold mulch]

maybe the barrel is protecting the lenses, or is vital for heat dissipation

[uncut pebble]

Consistent anti armor option with decent crowd control. Special opens up bulwarks and stuns anything you touch it with.

Can't really compare power swords to them because power swords are horde deletion implements.

[uncut nest]

Probably to protect the lens itself from damage and scratching.

[untold mulch]

yeah, like lasguns are gonna be roughed up

thats a fact

[gusty girder]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-wh40k-imperium-of-man-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-gif-1633196030595994455

[novel stone]

Is the chainswords dump stat mobility?

[pseudo fiber]

Yuh

[novel stone]

Are the best blessings still savage sweep and rampage?

[pseudo fiber]

For the MK4 yes

[tawdry jackal]

apparently depends on mark but yeah

[novel stone]

Which mark is better for what

I feel like a noob with these questions, just only started really using the ca

CS*

[pseudo fiber]

Light attack spam the 13g
With more heavy attack stuff the 4

And before you ask which is better there isn't really an option between the two

[novel stone]

I know that much at least

I'll probably use the 4 then, I like spamming heavy attacks

For 13 I'm assuming bloodthirsty and shred

[pseudo fiber]

Or shred rampage
Or wrath rampage

[novel stone]

Ah

Idk why but I've always felt worse using the cs

Too used to power sword crutch

[pseudo fiber]

Chainsword has more mobility but not as good horde clear.

Then again its hard to beat power sword horde clear

[untold mulch]

I have used the 13g so much taht using another melee feels kinda weird

[coarse plinth]

Which is the better of two power swords plus blessings/perks

[pseudo fiber]

6 is generally seen as better because of its light attacks

Brutal momentum + power cycler

Flak Carapace

[coarse plinth]

ty bb

[frail skiff]

When I got it to 500 it moved that 62 down to 60

[blazing notch]

God bless 🙏

[frail skiff]

So perfect combat axe ahoy

[blazing notch]

Lots of rounding errors on these weapons got us all nervous and shit 😨

[frail skiff]

Right?

If you look at that 60 bar reaaaally closely you can see the sliver of the 2% that got shaved off

[grand perch]

It's broken now throw it out

[frail skiff]

Cursed in just the right way

Now I just need one more 17% toughness Curio

[forest maple]

Did the hotfix for the weapon rounding error come out already?

[abstract kiln]

does 60% mobility give an extra dodge?

or do i not care

[untold mulch]

I believe is 51%?

[abstract kiln]

i ask cause 3 is default but 4 is possible. i just don't know cutoff on revolver

[untold mulch]

just bought some revolvers

53% mobility has 4 dodges

so my bet is 51% is the cutoff point

[abstract kiln]

ah ok ty

[slow spade]

Carapace? Does it bring hits to kill on crushers/maulers to 2?

I've been using Maniac to kill mutants with lights

[wispy sorrel]

How have they managed to make the mechanicus skin look even MORE like a flare gun? 😛

[quaint vector]

My thoughts exactly

[wispy sorrel]

I really wish we could have a revolver more like the ones in Necromunda. The revolver is good, it just LOOKS awful 😛

[forest maple]

Imagine if we got proper, new models to go with the skin and for it to not look like it does...

[quaint vector]

How do you guys run your Dueling Swords on Damnation? Blessings, Perks?

[tame lodge]

Hehe circumcision joke hehe

[forest maple]

uncanny and w/e you want. precog, the new one that resets dodges on weakspot hit

[quaint vector]

Honey, I circumcised the revolver

[forest maple]

and perks maybe flak/cara/maniac

[quaint vector]

Thx

[wispy sorrel]

Yeah, the barrel isn't even centered properly in the shroud....

It's offset to the top

[forest maple]

it doesn't match any of the free/penance cosmetics and its very off-putting to look at

I have accepted that we wont be getting any good looking "free" cosmetics through gameplay

the flak armor sets could have been decent if we had both the open and closed helmets as one cosmetic

[tawny badger]

(don't) stop being good

[slow spade]

Wait until the patch has been out for 30 days UwU

"Recon good? Nerf it"

[wispy sorrel]

Actually, the evicerator chainsword is ok. Not great, but I'm actually ok with using it on my Zealot.

Oh, and the crusher, that one's actually good

[forest maple]

both bolters look alright aswell, i just wished it was a more dark red

[tawny badger]

trying to get the infiltrator's set :(

[wispy sorrel]

mechanicus red is a very bright orangy red though, so on brand at least

[fluid saffron]

ammo doesnt affect plasma at all does it?

[pseudo fiber]

As a dump stat?

[fluid saffron]

oh it does have an ammo stat huh. does it just give more enegery charge to max?

[pseudo fiber]

I think it's just max ammo total

[fluid saffron]

plasma doesn thave ammo though

it just has an overcharge meter

[tame lodge]

It does have ammo

[fluid saffron]

the reason i asked was i wasnt sure if taking fully loaded on my plasma build was worth in order to get superiority complex. but seems like it does

[tame lodge]

You get 2 power cells with 130 or so

[fluid saffron]

oh youre right it does have ammo lol. i dont know if ive ever even run out of it because of charge limiting how much i use

[tawny badger]

I thought the go-to strategy for plasma users was to make it so it oneshots everything without charging

[fluid saffron]

im just talkign about thermals, i guess

[somber axle]

Uncharged shots always cost 3 ammo, charged shots cost 9 ammo. The difference between a good ammo stat can be like 130/130 ammo vs having a bad ammo stat being like 90/90 ammo (but with the new system it's not like anyone has to use a low ammo stat Plasma anymore). But that's 80 more ammo or 26 more uncharged shots before going empty

[fluid saffron]

the vet guide still says ammo is a dump stat

[tawny badger]

that's a lotta damage

[somber axle]

I'm surprised he didn't write off charge rate as the dump stat tbh

[fluid saffron]

charge rate is the other dump stat

[somber axle]

Damage/Stopping Power are the most important for breakpoints

[fluid saffron]

but ammo is first

yeah i need a new one https://i.imgur.com/3LDpYx6.png

[tawny badger]

which guide are you looking at

this is in the word doc in pins

[fluid saffron]

not that one

its a pdf in the pins

[somber axle]

Aside from clown shenanigans stacking charge rate blessings for funsies there's not really a reason to care about charge rate since it's almost always worse than uncharged shots

[untold kernel]

first pin pdf is outdated, it says in the pinned message. the word doc is more up to date but still a work in progress

[somber axle]

I know the Thermal Resist stat he listed buys you another shot before maxing out heat though

[slow spade]

Charge Rate also affects uncharged shots

[fluid saffron]

i cant access the word doc for some reason

[slow spade]

But its not noticable

[tawny badger]

can't open the word doc's link?
https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[slow spade]

You're looking at roughly 0.07s difference between 60% and 80%

[fluid saffron]

oh there we go. the first time i tried it gave me some login error

[topaz lance]

Hm I see thanks!

[tame lodge]

Fun fact
Most weapons have low suppression which doesn't make that extra 50% better and others have enough suppression to not need that extra 50%

[fluid saffron]

death is the best suppresion

[topaz lance]

I was thinking if the node would do anthing for the double barrel, I guess not

[naive burrow]

Unless you are an ogryn, suppression doesn't exist.

[tawny badger]

I have some pretty good instances of suppressing w/ my recon lasgun

[strange crow]

Yeah I was bouta say the same

[tame lodge]

I think DB has 7-8 suppression

One shot is enough to make them flinch

[tawny badger]

the thing I will say about suppression is that it makes back-to-back headshots harder to do

[tame lodge]

Depends on the weapon
The slug shotgun has 15 suppression on kill

[tawny badger]

esp against reapers with how they sorta actively hide their heads in their suppression anim

like bro move your bigass shoulder

[neon estuary]

got a question for a chainaxe, which blessings is best for it?

[tawny badger]

headtaker slaughterer

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Slaughterer
Or Thrust Slaughterer if MK12

[neon estuary]

does that kill faster?

[slow spade]

It fucking better

[tawny badger]

uh
yes

headtaker gives power (+damage, cleave & stagger iirc) on hit
slaughterer gives power on kill

or is it the other way around-

the point is you're gonna be buffed up the wazoo if you're hitting things with those two blessings

[neon estuary]

i usually stick with power swords for fast cleave killing but i want an alternative to use other then the powersword as a veteran

[tawny badger]

mk 4 chainsword:

[slow spade]

Been finding a weird bug where my power sword doesn't energize when I press my special

Swapped to Rashad for fast cleave in the mean time

Not as good but at least its functional

[neon estuary]

i'll just stick with the chainsword or chain axe

[slow spade]

Such is life

[tough tiger]

Mk7 shovel says hello

[untold kernel]

I saw someone saying that it doesn't refresh the timer, so it could be that if you use the special just before it runs out, the special goes off and the time runs out without having refreshed

But yeah, annoying bug

[topaz lance]

Rashad?

[naive burrow]

"pretty good instances" = unreliable mechanic that won't save you

[frank monolith]

the new one is out or is it private access?

[tawny badger]

it’s the first link in pins

word doc

[tawny badger]

it’s fairly reliable in my hands and has saved me tho

[frank monolith]

oh kl it got edited didnt even notice

[tame lodge]

Except is reliable

Now the weapons aren't

Some have 0.5 suppression

Some have 20

Some have 15 on kill on a 14 meters radius

Getting shot by a Nurgle blessed Gunner/Reaper

Can't be staggered but can be suppressed

[hard cave]

bolter feels really nice now

[tawny badger]

Mk VIc recon lasgyn hip fire spray makes for a solid melee weapon

[next light]

lmao I just tested this and it actually works thats insane

you can drop a frag in the middle of the meat grinder and hit the entire room

[inland orchid]

Aye some madlad clipped it a while back I’ll find it rq

Here u go

#veteran-class message

[fiery plinth]

Hey does anyone have a good build for the sapper shovel?

[trim steppe]

I have the 5% melee talent and Desperado, with those I need 5 stacks of headtaker before I hit the 1 shot bp on dreg bruisers. It could be worth changing from Carapace to Flak just to reduce the wind-up on dreg horde clear, especially depending on if my ranged option has anti armor

[split grove]

gonna try out vet, can i get the giga meta slave weapons and talents

i'll try out other stuff from there

[tawny badger]

Which one

[pseudo fiber]

Survivalist
Shredder frags
Voice of command
Focus target

Iron will
Bring it down or whatever the cooldown reduction one is.

Plasma gun
Power sword

[tough tiger]

Pgun aint meta no more xd

[fiery plinth]

Ehh let’s start with munitorum mark 1 first

[pseudo fiber]

He said braindead

Oh no he didn't pkay

Fucking recon brittleness?

Uhhhh

[frank ether]

Idk plasma feels p braindead to me lol

[uncut pebble]

Meta will always be rashad zarona weapon spec.

[tawny badger]

you-
hm, these can actually go for all the shovels

decimator, thrust, uncanny strike and skullcrusher

you probably want thrust and uncanny for the mk III, likely deci and skullcrusher for the other two

[uncut pebble]

When picking between the two folding shovels, the mk3 is better. No reason to pick the mk7 or whatever the other one is. Mk1 wants skullcrusher uncanny.

Decimator is cool but it has the same issue as shred; if you miss an attack, you lose all your stacks.

[tame lodge]

My honest Rising Heat reaction

[fiery plinth]

Hey, I’m just trying to get a feel for that unfoldable shovel.

[umbral scaffold]

Colomnus is still top

[vestal widget]

okay, lethal proximity grenadier build is fun

[tame lodge]

Which columnus

[umbral scaffold]

The blue one