veteran-class

[uncut pebble]

What bps do those help break? Dreg gunner 1shot? Dreg rager 1shot? Those are the only ones I don't seem to consistently hit across all 3 classes.

Genuine question, btw. I don't actually know.

[red robin]

Holy shit

That one thing that didn’t want in the update is gone

The crafting limit

Goated change

[tall torrent]

elite + superiority complex gives 1hs gunner, 2hs crit crusher, 1 crit/hs scab rager

[uncut pebble]

Crafting limit?

[tall torrent]

it's a bunch of stuff in one

[red robin]

Uh

[tall torrent]

maniac is just QoL so u can crit bodyshot 1 tap dreg ragers (on top of elite & superiority complex)

[uncut pebble]

That's actually really helpful.

[red robin]

This thing

[tall torrent]

ya this sucked

[red robin]

Idk if that’s the same thing as “crafting limit”

[tall torrent]

glad they removed it

[red robin]

But it seemed that way

[tall torrent]

now it's just "get good stat distribution = godroll"

[red robin]

Baller

What’s max 80 majority and min 60ish lowest stat for 380?

[tall torrent]

4x80 + 60

= 380

[red robin]

Nice

Can’t wait to murder the shit stats

[uncut pebble]

There are so many weapons I have tucked away with perfect stat distributions...

[red robin]

Maxing 80 finesse, first target, and penetration on the knife will be a god send

Might make 2 knifes with 60 damage and 60 mobility

[uncut pebble]

I have 2 revolvers on all 3 classes all with mobility dumps so I can use both the zarona and agri.

[red robin]

One is 80 and other is 60 either or

I love max mobility on my weapons

On some

Some don’t feel like they do anything for dodge range

Looking at you power sword

[uncut pebble]

That's why I dump mobility on chaxes.

[red robin]

I wonder if that thing on the bottom right is the crafting limit?

The thing they removed

[hard cave]

sord,,,

[red robin]

Zamn

Finally will get that 550

We are so back

[tall torrent]

ya

it was smth that capped how much u could modify ur weapon before reaching max empowerment

now u can modify ur weapons however u want

[red robin]

I remember watching tanner lindberg criticizing the crafting system, saying that this was the one feature to make the update shit

[red robin]

Truly unlocked and loaded

Cannot wait for new weapon variants in the future

[tall torrent]

[red robin]

Can finally look forward to testing something

[tall torrent]

watching tanner is crazy

[supple stag]

[red robin]

I find him endearing as a fellow AuDHD

[uncut pebble]

Tanner? Endearing? Are you sure we're talking about the same guy?

[red robin]

I’m what you call unlikeable and annoying as a personality

[uncut pebble]

Pretty sure he actively insults people on his livestreams and doesn't give numerical evidence to back up literally anything he says, ever.

[tall torrent]

tanner is basically just 🗣️ 🔥 💯

[supple stag]

Sounds like your typical schizo from a coop game that has more depth than L4D2

[tall torrent]

but with misinfo

[junior needle]

Uncanny bad

[uncut pebble]

🗣️ 🔥 💩

[supple stag]

I've seen similar kind of idiots in PAYDAY 2, during my time there

Wild times

[junior needle]

pre-buff recon lasguns good

[red robin]

All I gotta say

Agree to disagree

[red robin]

I just like varying opinions and pick what I think seems fun

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717550919260045362/1083761493016838184/cat_emoji.gif

[frosty falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/349276154118799391/827459191525343282/1617320346334.gif

[junior needle]

There's varying opinions, and then there's saying things that aren't factually correct or telling people things that are (objectively) comparatively bad are actually comparatively good.

[supple stag]

There's a major difference

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[frank basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2fjIm8hYJY

[red robin]

Yeah that video

I really just heard this feature might be lame

And now that it isn’t in there I’m happy

I only found out about that bottleneck for crafting from that video because the q&as were hard to gleam

[tall torrent]

This is very cool
They also added favouriting items so no longer do we need a mod for that

[red robin]

Thank god

[frank basin]

tanner linberg remind me like KnightmareFrame

[red robin]

Peak

[red robin]

Who that?

[frank basin]

bad warframe youtuber guide build

lot told

[red robin]

Damn

Good thing I don’t play warframe

[frank basin]

something about Primed Surefoot (100% stagger resistance is a must he like said it)

[frank basin]

the first descendant is higher grindful than warframe

[red robin]

I don’t play that either

[frank basin]

yes

[red robin]

My friends wanted me to

But it looked boring

[frank basin]

i suggest not with 2% mod drop

[red robin]

I don’t like mmos rpgs either

[frank basin]

mod item stuff with 2% drop rate

[red robin]

Ffxiv was just walking around in the first expansion and being told the good stuff is later

Sounds like a 2nd job ngl

[frank basin]

you also have to pay fees to play content

subscription

[junior needle]

Are there still arbitrary maximum stat caps in the shop so you need to keep digging for the rolls you want

[frank basin]

first buy the game mark yourself as trial

[red robin]

I mean I hope it varies

[tall torrent]

max is 380
brunt won't sell direct-380s anymore (?)
melk will only sell direct-380s
everything goes to 380 with enough empowerment

[hard cave]

tanner sounds like the equivalent to Mintz from the halo community

[junior needle]

As in specific stats had a stat cap you could only empower up to ie 70 in stopping power 72 in damage

[red robin]

I think at this point there’s people in every community who are either group thinkers or edgy contrarians

[frank basin]

just looked up his thumbnails, looking like clickbaits

[red robin]

I like when there’s fun

[tall torrent]

that varies based on weapons' stat distribution (RNG)

380 can be spread as 80x4+60

or a bunch of 70s

[red robin]

That’s literal just addition to 380?

[tall torrent]

ya

[red robin]

I never knew that

What’s the equal stat spread for 380?

Like every stat balanced out

[tall torrent]

76 x5

[red robin]

Yoo

That ain’t too bad

But some weapons would want dumps

Like plas or the staffs

[tall torrent]

unironically 76 x5 is plenty good on most weapons

[frank basin]

is x4 mediocre?

[junior needle]

So the exact same as now, just that low rolled can now be boosted up

[red robin]

Depends on the weapon and stat that’s 80/60

I for one like 80 mobility on weapons that make good use of it

[tall torrent]

in one way of explaining yea

[junior needle]

That's all I wanted to know

I will keep my review as negative

[tall torrent]

in the other way of explaining
everything is eventually 380 so u just need good stat distribution which is way easier to get than what we have rn

[keen carbon]

Found this bad boy for my vet : 51% damage -_-

[red robin]

I think imma fish for a mk5 duelling sword with 60 defence dump stat

[trim steppe]

Those 320 weapons you found with 70 in 4 stats and 17 in mobility can now be perfect 80/80/80/80/60 weapons

[frank basin]

save for 3 day later

[tall torrent]

if u were expecting them to remove the RNG stat distribution then it's not here, but the difference's been made minuscule to the point of not mattering on majority of weapons

[trim steppe]

RIP. Strip off T4 hand cannon for patch mastery

[red robin]

I should do that eh

I got a lot of weapons with tier 4 but there god rolled

Idk mang

[uncut pebble]

Free t4 hand cannon, though.

[red robin]

Man

What was pre post buff handcannon?

[trim steppe]

I was wondering about that yesterday, is defence or mobility a better dump stat (60) on mk5 duelling sword? Mobility gives sprint speed but defense gives better sprint stamina cost and push cost

[red robin]

100% rending?

[red robin]

Depends what you want, I prefer sprint speed, both add to 15% dodge range regardless of stat distribution

Mayb

[junior needle]

iirc it was 80%

at 4

But it's been a LONG time

[red robin]

13% dodge range on 80% mobility knife is huge

[tall torrent]

mobility is almost always better than defences

[red robin]

Depends if you need the block and sprint efficiency

[trim steppe]

Yeah. I was thinking I'd want either 80 defence 60 mobility, or a 70/70 split. Idk that it matters but my minmax brain wants to know

[trim steppe]

I believe you but can you elaborate?

[red robin]

Sprint speed goes hard mang

[tall torrent]

mild push cost & sprint cost reduction

[red robin]

You can alleviate with stamina efficiency perks too

Push cost is a big one tho

I like pushing on some weapons

[tall torrent]

sprint cost reduction is good but
it's too small most of the time
and 3x sprint efficiency is a big one

[tall torrent]

the difference is too small

ur looking at like 0.5 stamina difference between 60% and 80%

0.5 as in, 1/2 of a stamina bar

[trim steppe]

So while I'm post-patch picking all my godrolls, I will almost always want to dump mobility unless it also has defence, in which case I want to dump defence

[red robin]

What’s 80 on defences for standard shovel?

Just asking

That’s like 1.15 max?

[frank basin]

2.5?

or 2.1

[red robin]

That accounts for 100% and not 80%

Which is unobtainable

I love real weapon stats mod

[tall torrent]

80% is 1.4 stamina per push
60% (literal minimum after update) is 1.8

[red robin]

So that’s basically 10% difference?

[tall torrent]

if u can tangibly feel a difference of 0.4 less stamina cost from push I think ur built a bit too special

[red robin]

Ty, I think so too

https://tenor.com/view/autism-autism-creature-yippee-tbh-creature-gif-26771176

[trim steppe]

Makes sense, thanks for the clarity

[red robin]

How does that work with weapon specialists 25% reduction in stamina cost?

I’m just asking because I like take a swing on the sapper shovel and push a lot into hordes

[tall torrent]

flat x0.75 to all stamina cost for 3s

[red robin]

So 0.85 becomes 0.65 or math don’t work like that?

[tall torrent]

mb I read wrong, it's 1.4 (80%) vs 1.8 (60%)

[red robin]

Sorry for making you work on these extremely dumb questions

[tall torrent]

still very small imo

so 1.4 (80%) becomes 1.05

just not worth it

[red robin]

I see

Man I wish I was wired like you to know math

I see darktide math and calculate way off

I wish there was push cost reduction stuff

Ain’t there things like that in VT2?

Or am I just imagining 30% stamina recovery

God I miss VT2

[trim steppe]

I 100% believe in your ability to learn and integrate algebra

If you're "bad at math" you've probably just had bad teachers

[red robin]

Numbers cat really be this image for answering esoteric darktide mechanics

[frank basin]

sometime i feel i have bad academic privileges

[red robin]

In what way?

[frank basin]

when someone trying belittle my intelligent

[tall torrent]

That’s kuli

[idle swallow]

I took 2nd level calculus in college as part of my major, fuck that noise I ain't ever going back to those nonsense runes

[twin venture]

Everything in life is math. You make a multitude of equations every day doing simple things.

[tall torrent]

I have to ask him half the time

But hopefully my guide will simplify things a bit

Currently sitting at 102 pages and 19k words

[red robin]

I just admit I’m stupid and see if they want to teach or just stoke their ego

If they want to stoke their ego they’re the biggest morons around

[frank basin]

secretly stroking ego making me distrusting it

[red robin]

Not worth your time or energy

[viscid sparrow]

nonsense runes? you mean the symbols on the auspex when repairing a Data Interrogator?

[frank basin]

like i want work in game industry they tell me hard way: do you make game?

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1287832075801464863/Screenshot_2024-09-23_134444.png?ex=66f2fa95&is=66f1a915&hm=48a30f07ad02a61c4b111e155b9f53d1d6d3c935faa9ec35a57c8f61c34647c5&

[frank basin]

(coding, programing, level design, art design)

[red robin]

Hit them with the nerd emoji

[frank basin]

like jack of all trade those kind skill hurt my head

[idle swallow]

may as well have been for how much I understood some of the concepts

[frank basin]

no not front professional game maker

i just watched a boomer game developer tell viewer "i don't care if you have idea, everyone has idea to make game, only thing i care is do you know how to make a game"

[trim steppe]

Thats how I felt about calculus 3 until my final. I was getting like 20% on my midterms. Then suddenly it all clicked and I 100%'d my final lol. Math can be funny

[viscid sparrow]

I think the auspex symbols are actually Greek letters (or at least some of them are iirc, like the Alpha/Beta/whatever symbols)

[frank basin]

indeed has greek symbolic

[red robin]

That’s a hard one ngl, you can go at it humbly and overcome the challenges with the teacher, but you could be learning it in the dumbest way possible

[hard cave]

where are the ia enthusiasts in chat

[trim steppe]

I mean that's true to an extent. Talk is cheap, action is important. You dont have to be a pro while you're learning, but you DO need to start learning and making things if you want to go that direction in life

[red robin]

Quality of teacher is hard to find

One of the hardest jobs to do right

[frank basin]

that's is a hard way

[viscid sparrow]

kinda like the rest of WH40K human naming conventions, which are basically made-up versions of something latin-like...

[frank basin]

college doesn't offer video game class

[trim steppe]

some colleges do

[frank basin]

mine only had few but i got banned

[twin venture]

You'd be surprised what some colleges have as classes

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-open-eyes-just-woke-up-gif-14853707

[frank basin]

other places 45 minute away i would have to drive it (oh i don't have car to drive yet)

[red robin]

Love the darktide veteran player lore going on rn

[twin venture]

Online classes

[frank basin]

did once, didn't goes well

i got dropped

[red robin]

In class and working with hands on is best

[frank basin]

im not great taking like 3-4 class

that being forced to by state require

[red robin]

I’m a visual learner, i envy the people who conceptualize with words and numbers only

[frank basin]

sametime it eat the fund

[viscid sparrow]

ahhh... yeah, online classes are kinda bad... so bad, in fact, that I didn't participate in any of them during Covid.

[red robin]

Nightmare era

[frank basin]

first time online class is confusion, know where to go

has to email but i use wrong platform to email it

so i got late turn in assignment until got dropped out

[trim steppe]

I say this with tough love but also from a place of kindness. There will ALWAYS be obstacles in your path. There is unfairness and discrimination in the world, thats just a fact. You can't control that stuff, and it can hold you back. But you CAN control YOU, and you will hold yourself back more than any other obstacle if you let yourself. You can see obstacles and give up, or you can try anyway because you see your goals as worthy of the effort. If you never try you'll never get what you want.

[twin venture]

Umm user error?

[frank basin]

yeah yeah yeah i control myself

everyone said that same thing

[trim steppe]

If college isnt an option for you, there are thousands of hours of free online tutorials you can learn from

[frank basin]

i really want to but online classes make me feel shit to understand

and I don't wanna learn from yotube like last time try understand Unity

[twin venture]

Nothing worth having is easy to acquire

[frank basin]

i could stuck in tutorial hell

[viscid sparrow]

I actually went to school with a facemask on (as soon as the school I was in at the time actually had restarted functioning at the actual location...)

I had to use public transport to get to school, and had to use a mask the whole time (no school busses here in Helsinki).

[frank basin]

taking non-school base online class i fear could be scam

[trim steppe]

If you only ever tell yourself you cant, you never will. Thats just life. Just be kind to yourself

[red robin]

Man I hated mask, sensory irritation everyday at work

[frank basin]

if i confident myself i would fall under tiger trap

like a fool

[red robin]

Take chances man

Be smart abt it tho

[frank basin]

how can i trust online site that isn't a scam

there's lot trickster

[red robin]

Yeahhh

[frank basin]

oh i remember is also expensive

[twin venture]

Do background research

[frank basin]

my parent can't afford it

online class also expensive as i remembered

[red robin]

Hard discerning between mentor and manipulator

[frank basin]

something like $200 per session

[lucid radish]

Heavy las pistols blessings are underwhelming, guess it’s revolver time

[frank basin]

i took piano class for $45 every thursday but i stopped because i missed too much cost my parent fortune

[red robin]

Did you enjoy it or did you feel forced?

[frank basin]

i did for my skill

incase if i didn't success my career

as game designer

just be musician for game

im still rookie

[viscid sparrow]

yup! I do game dev stuff as a hobby, and I had to get some code for game genres I had no idea how to make on my own...

luckily, the site I paid for access to (or rather, my dad paid for me) still lets me use the tutorial files, even though I cancelled the subscription (probably a bug/error on their end, but I will use it for as long as I can)...

[red robin]

10,000 hour rule is a lot to commit to

Engage it as it were a hobby

[frank basin]

i the only skill for piano just know the key but reading skill is also made me forgotten

[red robin]

If you have motivation, discipline and momentum, you get into the flow state of learning

Miss one of those three, it’s hard to sink your teeth into it

Being immersed in learning is peak, 6 hours feel like 1 hour

Time passes fast with that engagement

I’d check for any underlying disorders incase you went under the radar

Depression, anxiety, adhd, autism go under the radar a lot and can affect your progress

[frank basin]

oh yes, an old excuse depression

[frank basin]

2 correct

that's what i have

[red robin]

Depression ain’t mentally thinking sad, it’s a chemical imbalance in the brain that robs you of having interests not being invested into fully

[frank basin]

depression only make me not feeling mood to do something

[red robin]

Yeah man, that’s a chemical imbalance

Literally can make learning into dark souls difficult

Patterns of self sabotage and fading disconnections from any pursuits you had from the beginning

I’m not a psychologist so take everything I say as null

Just a suggestion to check on your mental health before you commit to a field of interest

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that depression =/= simply not feeling like doing something

[red robin]

You’ll avoid a lot of stress in the long run

[tropic notch]

God i love the mk3 knife on vet with mercy killer and uncanny

Makes me moist

[red robin]

Me too

Makes me hyper stimulated to dodge dance

[frank basin]

what's your interpertation?

[tropic notch]

I don’t think I’ll play another character

[red robin]

In my opinion, it feels like flexing a muscle all at once and maintaining that strain just to meet the bare minimum

Engaging your passions should be effortless and flowing with animated life

[junior needle]

If you want an official definition, it's "depressed mood or loss of pleasure or interest in activities for long periods of time." Typically attributed to a lack of serotonin, which in an oversimplification is the brain chemical that gets you to do things.

It can be environmental or chemical in terms of actual cause, but the effect is similar either way. Some people genetically have scuffed brain chemistry and require meds to get to a relatively normal, functional state. Others can see a reduction from environmental factors like stress/unhappiness.

[red robin]

Yeah man

[junior needle]

I'm posting the explanation for other people btw, I assume you know this already

[red robin]

Man I hate when my brain works against me, but I’m happy to have the treatment for my neurosis’s

[tropic notch]

Was gonna ask on zealot it precog and repoist right? Or should I run mercy killer with it

[red robin]

Good refresher tbh because I only have surface level views on stuff

[junior needle]

You generally don't give up uncanny or run mercy on any class except vet with serrated

[tropic notch]

Yeah that’s what I thought

I figured since zealot had so much crit and will bleed on crit it would be good

[junior needle]

Even with critmaxxing to 80% crit on zealot with piety, it's still not really worth it

[tropic notch]

Ohh

So just pregoc and repoist on zealot then?

[junior needle]

You can take it, it's purely additive value (unlike lacerate) but people don't like the inconsistency

[tall torrent]

It works

But it’s banking basically all of ur damage after dodges

[tropic notch]

I thought it would be the best

[tropic notch]

Well yeah because of duelist

[junior needle]

If you mean second blessing options apart from uncanny, then yes. Flesh tearer is an option if you critmax with piety, but it's a particular playstyle.

[tropic notch]

That’s what makes it good

[junior needle]

Precog has extra synergy with duellist iirc

Where they multiply each other and do more damage or something

[tropic notch]

[red robin]

That’s insane

[tropic notch]

Evil knife

[red robin]

Zealot gonna be eating good with duelling sword

[junior needle]

THE NUMBERS can tell you more on that

[red robin]

Agile and Precog gonna be nutty

[tropic notch]

I know crit has diminishing returns with repoist that’ll be like 90 right

[tall torrent]

Nah I think duelling sword is gonna be uncanny + precog/thrust

[junior needle]

In terms of overall dps added, but as far as I know crit chance scales linearly

[red robin]

I just like dodging ngl

[tropic notch]

Just precog and thrust

[final stag]

Dodging idly is fun

[tropic notch]

That will one shot crushers

[tall torrent]

Crit doesn’t have “diminishing returns” when your damage solely relies on Crit & dodge

Riposte 20% is still pretty big

[tropic notch]

Oh I thought it did

[junior needle]

Also that, knives have shit non-finesse damage

[red robin]

Love finesse

Love build variety

[tall torrent]

Diminishing return in the sense that +5% to 70% is not as big of a percentile boost as +5% to 10%

But in terms of function not rly

[final stag]

Give me my shiv, I'll shank the bastarda

[tall torrent]

Especially as riposte is 20%, not 5%

[junior needle]

You can get get 100% crit on knife zealot with riposte actually

[tropic notch]

Yeah it seems like with all that crit you don’t need uncanny lol

[junior needle]

Crits are still affected by adm's

[tall torrent]

There’s like never a bad scenario to pick riposte because it’s just flat 20% crit chance for free

[red robin]

Adm?

[junior needle]

Armor damage modifier, it's a percentage of your damage that you actually do to something based on its armor type

[red robin]

Armour damage multiplier?

Ooo

[junior needle]

rending and brittleness adjust this

[red robin]

Idk really

What’s 1-2 hits more really

I don’t struggle without uncanny most of the time

[junior needle]

Going from 4 hits to 2 hits is halving the ttk

[tropic notch]

Now I’m thinking about what to change with agile

I mean im not one to spam Dodges

[red robin]

I do

[tropic notch]

But zealot works around them

[red robin]

Horrible habit tbh

[junior needle]

You should be dodging constantly

But not carelessly

[red robin]

Love carelessly having -7 on my dodge count

[junior needle]

Need a rhythym going

[terse idol]

Gotta condition yourself to dodge when it's needed for sho

Sometimes I'm out here playing DDR with the groaners

[tall torrent]

Also Tac axes might go crazy on zealot next patch

[terse idol]

But I really needed the dodges for the maulers

[red robin]

I just love siding and kiting hordes or elites to proc precognition and reciprocity

[junior needle]

What's obesefish doing to them

[red robin]

Or any of the zealot dodge talents

Getting agile?

[tall torrent]

Slaughter spree (new)
Crit weakspot melee kill makes next melee atk a guaranteed crit

[red robin]

Ooo

[tall torrent]

This allows u to basically bypass needing specific perks for BM 1 tap bruiser breakpoints

Once u get one Crit kill it starts chaining and zealot can force melee crits

[tropic notch]

A bunch of buffs

[junior needle]

So BM is unchanged and you still need to build around it

[tall torrent]

Which means u get to spec into more useful damage perks

[tall torrent]

Yea well they gave tac axes max 3 cleave it is what it is

[junior needle]

But you also lose headtaker

I hate the feesh

[thorn lark]

AoN + HT works very well

[tropic notch]

How do you even build a taxe

[junior needle]

Highly depends on what variant

[thorn lark]

Ask the government

[junior needle]

2/7 are brudal abusers

[red robin]

What’s dump stat on tact axe?

[thorn lark]

Mobility

[tropic notch]

I’ve just thought they were too niche

[tall torrent]

Tbh
With Tac axes’ finesse, Crit scaling is kind of better?

[red robin]

What would be second to mobility

[junior needle]

4 is a light spammer you typically don't bother using brudal with and go headtaker and shred or deci

[thorn lark]

Nothing

[tall torrent]

I wish Tac axes were better on carapace tho

[junior needle]

Because the lights can't, to my knowledge, hit bruisers bp's

And the heavies on the 4 are purely vertical

[tropic notch]

The uhhh one with side heavies but they say it’s strikedowns

[junior needle]

pure diagonal heavies is the 2

[red robin]

Damn I’m looking at the tact axe

Mobility really is dump

[junior needle]

Pure vert heavies is the 4 (light spam only)

[thorn lark]

7 is PA + H1

[tropic notch]

Damm

[red robin]

Critical Bonus, Finesse, Penetration and Damage all go hard at 80

[thorn lark]

Yeah

[junior needle]

Light spam does more dps to carapace on them btw

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1287186901270266011/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.09.21_-_19.00.53.41.png?ex=66f29bf8&is=66f14a78&hm=dedd70fee2415e9f6d715ba9536f412efb0fd239c33967ecfff77c2eae7810fc&

[thorn lark]

Yeah but that's specific to carapace

Unyielding a bit too tbh

[tall torrent]

I wish Tac axes were better on carapace

It’s like chainsword tier vs carapace, real shame

[red robin]

Would critical damage perk mesh well with tact axe?

[tropic notch]

That’s also a good one I thought that the best mark for them

[tall torrent]

No

[red robin]

So just flak and another perk modifier?

[tall torrent]

Idk if flak is necessary

[thorn lark]

Unarmored

Is really

Really

[tall torrent]

Would consider maniac + carapace tbh

[thorn lark]

Necessary

[red robin]

Ehh

I don’t really melee maniacs

[tall torrent]

Since slaughter spree makes u not need unarmored or flak for BM 1 tap

[red robin]

And 4x dmg on hounds and mutants are really the only ones

[thorn lark]

If you Crit you pass the BP requirement for flak bruisers

But unarmored is kinda a pain

[thorn lark]

We're talking rn

[tall torrent]

It cycles crits for u

Prob better on zealot but

Veteran can get to around 50% Crit chance in combat on Tac axes without shred

[thorn lark]

You need to invest in base DMG tbh

[tall torrent]

So it’s a 50:50 as to when it starts working

[junior needle]

crit damage is probably the worst damage perk generally speaking

[thorn lark]

Yeah vet taxe is so fucking good with just reciprocity

[red robin]

I’m punching the air

What buff even make crit and weakspot perks decent

That doesn’t rob other damage perks

[junior needle]

Giving them a lot higher values

[red robin]

15-20?

[tall torrent]

Not happening

Oh u mean buff number

Prob around 20~25% lol

[red robin]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

That’s like maybe

5~7% more damage on weakspot

On most weapons

[red robin]

That’s 10%?

Or is 10% even less

[tall torrent]

That’s around +30% W.fns for most weapons

+10% W.fns is like
+3~4% damage?

[red robin]

MonkaS

[thorn lark]

As I said

[red robin]

Would combining crit and weakspot into 10% finesse be a decent buff or still nah

[thorn lark]

Unarmored bruisers are a pain

[tall torrent]

Depends on the weapon tho

It’s not bad on some finesse orientated weapons

Especially since

Veteran gets a lot of finesse

[tropic notch]

So what is the best perks? Because I run crit damage on my zealot

[tall torrent]

30% W.fns for both melee & ranged
25% M.fns

[tall torrent]

Basically don’t run Crit damage perk ever

[thorn lark]

A pain

[junior needle]

Depends on the weapon, but crit damage is basically never preferrable

[tropic notch]

Oops

[tall torrent]

Consider flak/maniac/elite/carapace (usually) based on what the weapon is

[junior needle]

Breakpoints are particular and this is why the game is hard for beginners

Yep, very rarely some will want unarmored

[red robin]

What about crit damage perk on the zarona revolver?

Still dog?

[junior needle]

No

[thorn lark]

Bro. No Crit DMG perk.

It's useless.

[red robin]

Just asking questions

[tall torrent]

Just don’t do Crit dmg perk, period

[tropic notch]

I’m really think unyielding on my vet because of mercy killer and uncanny

[tall torrent]

What weapon

Mk3 knife?

[junior needle]

You might find some edge use case somewhere but generally speaking, never put it on unless you KNOW for certain it does something good for you others don't

[tropic notch]

The mk3 knife

[thorn lark]

We should explain how Crit DMG is calculated

[tall torrent]

It’s explained in my guide

[tall torrent]

Tbh
For veteran just go mk6

[frank ether]

me too but I'm trying to look on the positive

[red robin]

I wish finesse curve percents were listed on weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s flat out better

[thorn lark]

Nice product placement

[frank ether]

there will probably be a ton of broken OP things this patch

[tall torrent]

And for perks it’s carapace/flak/elite/stamina

[frank ether]

me personally I'm excited for exe stan buffs and also heavy sword on vet

[tropic notch]

My boy cole said it is not!

What makes it better? Just the hoard clear?

[thorn lark]

Hmmm why better? I do better with cb3 on psyker, vet and zealot oO

[tall torrent]

Shame that mk6 has better horde & better single target on veteran with like no downsides compared to mk3

[frank ether]

its always dog over crit chance in my opinion, the weapon perk that is

It would need way higher percentage to be worth it

[tropic notch]

It does?

[tall torrent]

Well I guess the moveset is more complex but that’s about it

[tropic notch]

How

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Faster atk animation speed

[tropic notch]

I mean I use both

Oh yeah I can see that

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=66f30823&is=66f1b6a3&hm=56fcd0c5ace96cc8d7067d8c769c8fbe26b2027e2f9929bb07278d47241ca08f&

[soft island]

why is there an 'on vet' specification?

[thorn lark]

Soon

[tropic notch]

Mercy killer

[thorn lark]

Power Zealot

[tropic notch]

Yeah I was using that on my zealot

But that push attack would wiff sometimes

[tall torrent]

I’m also of the opinion that mk6 is flat out just the better knife regardless of class but some people really like mk3 on zealot and I’m too lazy to attempt arguing

[tropic notch]

I just wanna know

[tall torrent]

.

Depends on blessing set-up tho

Flak isn’t necessary if u don’t run flesh tearer (enables Crit weakspot 1 hit bleed DOT kill scab rager)

[thorn lark]

It's my feeling, based on experience for hundreds of hours on both marks that the PA and the special + attack combo are faster on cb3

[tall torrent]

Special + punch is faster on mk3

PA is not

[tropic notch]

Pa?

[soft island]

push attack

[tall torrent]

Mk6 PA is around 7% faster than Mk3 PA

[tropic notch]

Ohh

[thorn lark]

I was sure for the special but ok the pa feels faster to me strange

[tall torrent]

But the thing is

Mk3’s 2nd highest dps combo after PA spam is H2 + L3

So u don’t need to bother punching whatsoever

[tropic notch]

What’s it highest?

[tall torrent]

So that “upside” is more or less irrelevant

[thorn lark]

I don't like punching tbh

[tall torrent]

PA is around 2.9k dps on crusher without +10% atk speed

[tropic notch]

Me either

[terse idol]

Just gotta do eett

[tall torrent]

But PA on mk6 is around 3.1k dps (on avg) on crusher without +10% atk speed

That’s ~7% difference

[tropic notch]

What has more range?

[tall torrent]

Mk6 can reach 3.4k dps on crusher with PA (no atk speed buff) but it’s hard to pull off in a live game due to connection

[tall torrent]

Around the same

Just give up lol mk6 is the better knife

[tropic notch]

I have both

[tall torrent]

The only thing mk3 really just does better than mk6

Is that, due to it having a slower atk speed (and therefore lower dps)

You get to hold the heavy atk charge longer which means speed boost over slightly longer duration

This means that if you can manage to pure sprint along a straight line of 150m+ without running out of stamina

You’ll be faster than mk6

(TLDR mk6 is better)

[junior needle]

Buff mk3 light attacks

[soft island]

but sped

vroom vroom

[thorn lark]

Buff speed zelaots

Paint them red

[soft island]

I want a talent that lets me just damage enemies by sprinting into them

scaling off speed

https://tenor.com/view/flash-lampo-speed-gif-18173027

[winter grove]

So what do we think about standard shovel?

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[winter grove]

Is it actually good with uncanny?

Oh

[tall torrent]

Not vs bosses but

[winter grove]

That's nice

[tall torrent]

Ok everything else

[regal smelt]

I mean the other shovel marks still beat it in every aspect for me

[winter grove]

Well yeah

High burst dmg special

[tall torrent]

Mk7 is ok too

Mk3 is unfortunately ass

[regal smelt]

when the hell did they change +20% power into +20% strength?

[tall torrent]

did they change description again

Fml

[last parcel]

when they hotfixed the broken blessing descriptions

[regal smelt]

new stat discovered lol

[tall torrent]

I guess I’ll have to change every “pwr” in my guide to “str”

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just +power

[soft island]

strength is just power but cooler

[tall torrent]

I guess they’re doing that because the new crafting system has a thing called “power” and they want to avoid confusion

[regal smelt]

oh yeah i guess

[last parcel]

still waiting for them to rename opening salvo

[tropic notch]

I feel like if I’m blocking constantly with that to reach said breakpoints I’ll get guard broken and stunned, then die

[soft island]

It's a shame they couldn't have named it literally anything else. Real shame.

Also surge surge is about to exist sooooooo

[tropic notch]

But yeah on paper and with practice i can see it better better

[regal smelt]

I need some extra power on my 550 power surge staff with surge on it

[tall torrent]

Why do u need to block

[tropic notch]

I’m sorry pushing

[tall torrent]

Tbh

It’s not as bad as u think

[tropic notch]

To push block then attack

[tall torrent]

U still PA like u do on mk3 u just have higher dps

[tropic notch]

I’ve learned much

I have a god roll mk3 and mk6 on my zealot and vet

[trim steppe]

In 3 days you can freely convert between mks so as long as you have 1 godroll mk you're good

[tropic notch]

Oh

[soft island]

is that how it works? I thought it was just that you select your weapon via the weapon family first

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

YO

[trim steppe]

My understanding is that in the weapon customization menu you can select which mark you want the weapon to be within the family

[rose gale]

is there any resource or info on what perks and blessing are good ? just got back into the game and i got no clue if my lasgun is even any decent

[tall torrent]

Check link in pin

[trim steppe]

Check the pins for a guide

[soft island]

wack

[tall torrent]

Beware 102 pages

[last parcel]

hammer of the emperor:

[trim steppe]

Ctrl-f

[rose gale]

thanks

[tropic notch]

Damm I feel stupid for deleting a lot of useless marks

[rose gale]

oh wow, guess i got some time to kill

[trim steppe]

Only thing that matters on a roll now is stat distribution. Not even stats, just the distribution. A 300 weapon with proper dump stat is a godroll since it can be fully upgraded and customized

[tall torrent]

Example build section is not done
Basically everything else is ready for update

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1287831968905429012/Screenshot_2024-09-23_134358.png?ex=66f2fa7c&is=66f1a8fc&hm=ea2855d2100bb4731b5e2f7b21c2bd200557e099850f678d857c06bf104e5415&

[tropic notch]

@junior needle best chain axe for vet and it’s blessings?

I always thought to run thunderous and head taker

[tall torrent]

Headtaker + slaughterer, either mark

[tropic notch]

Ah

[rose gale]

ok, looks like atleast my las has all the reccomended stuff

[tall torrent]

Mk4 is generally considered the better one

[orchid hemlock]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1287832075801464863/Screenshot_2024-09-23_134444.png?ex=66f2fa95&is=66f1a915&hm=48a30f07ad02a61c4b111e155b9f53d1d6d3c935faa9ec35a57c8f61c34647c5&

(Testing stagger breakpoints was annoying as hell)

[orchid hemlock]

"babe wake up, new vet guide updates just dropped"

me:

[tall torrent]

Me watching the mauler do sweep 5 times in a row when I’m trying to test what can stagger him out of overhead

And then I get a Crit so I have to re-test

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-samuel-jackson-cheeseburger-tasty-gif-4511578

[tropic notch]

Where is this

[orchid hemlock]

wait so skullcrusher is now better than decimator for shovels? 🤔

[tall torrent]

#veteran-class message

[tropic notch]

Assault shotgun is my new favorite thing as well

[tall torrent]

After I saw Cole hit a reaper for 2800 damage non-Crit at 1 uncanny stack

I was convinced

[tropic notch]

Yeah I thought limbsplitter and that were the best for it

[last parcel]

limbsplitter resetting the timer every time you hit something

[tall torrent]

Limbsplitter is ass

[orchid hemlock]

Which shovel?

[tropic notch]

It is

[tall torrent]

Standard issue

[tropic notch]

I’m so restarted

[tall torrent]

[orchid hemlock]

is it better in all scenarios?

[tall torrent]

Not all but enough to matter for most enemies

Decimator is a little better vs boss because skullcrusher only activates through forced stagger but it doesn’t matter that much in the end

[orchid hemlock]

if someone else staggers the enemy does it still proc?

[tall torrent]

U can apply skullcrusher on every enemy, but the “+damage taken” part only works while that enemy is staggered

You can’t keep bosses very long

[random pecan]

how do you know which mission is the train one

[midnight totem]

its whichever one that doesn't exist right now

[red robin]

https://youtu.be/0wZ5H_psuh0?si=mBSoBPGI2FpGY35x

This mix makes it sound like khorne is the daemonic force invading Tertium

Also

I cannot wait for the new jesper kyd track for the train mission

[fading rivet]

Went from a melee WS build to finish Adept Assassin Penance to MF for that penance and got to say it’s really jarring to change play styles like that. Fell in love melee vet w/ PS just not the biggest fan of the revolver cause it’s not 40k enough

[toxic leaf]

even if the stacks persist after the stagger animation is over?

[tall torrent]

Stacks are there but the stacks are “+damage taken while staggered”

Not “+damage taken”

An enemy can have 8 skullcrusher stacks (max) and it wouldn’t do anything unless they’re staggered

[toxic leaf]

oh skullcrusher's wording confuses me

someone told me its the best for zealot crusher because that weapon always staggers no matter what

unless its a boss?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Mutant & boss

[tame lodge]

Sadly doesn't stagger boss

H2 hits hard on the stagger part

[hard cave]

mobeian veteran headass

[thorny girder]

Now that I've heard this, I wanna make a playlist for just playing darktide

Reminds me of like a hyper metal

[oak ivy]

so whats good for a vet?

where do i find the meta?

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[oak ivy]

ty

ahhhh its a guide and alot of explaining of what everything is

https://youtu.be/q2mKcgDe_Hc?si=LbjTyZExeeNekXjS ive been using this auto gun chain sword build good for lvl 3 and 4 missions

[tall torrent]

I might change mk3 & mk7 shovel back to decimator in recommended blessings

But prob keeping SC on standard issue

SP + PA applies all 8 stacks just before PA hits

It’s like
Take a swing but way better

Slaughterer + thrust next patch?

Idk if I’d take thrust over SC on crusher tbh

[vestal widget]

build isn't great; see the pdf instead for explanations of better nodes/blessings/perks. if you want something that has a similar build idea i'd probably run something like this from a five second sketch and skipping around his vid.

13g chainsword has wrong build too; you want wrath instead of devastating strike. 10% crit damage isn't a good damage node, flak/25% something else (idk 13g breakpoints for vet off the top of my head) better as perks

[winter grove]

Two days

[frank basin]

$80 for that model

[tall torrent]

These pants are not available in the game

[orchid hemlock]

Why is it every single popular build on games lantern or YouTube just striaght cheeks?

[hard cave]

looks like the cadian shock trooper pants

[junior needle]

Neither is the hotshot volley gun, which was on some darktide themed mini as well

[tall torrent]

I’m considering what to include in the example builds section

[tall torrent]

Not the same pants

[junior needle]

People don't know better

[hard cave]

close enough

[hard cave]

remember, the toys were created using concept art prior the game's release

Hence why a scab captain has a sword and pistol lmao

[tall torrent]

Ya ik

[orchid hemlock]

That chainsword build is 8 months old too 😔

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[idle swallow]

delet this

[orchid hemlock]

Not the same video

[tall torrent]

I’m currently considering

Plasma gunner 2 variants
Recon Lasgun 2 variants
Boltpistol grenadier
Weapon specialist

[frank basin]

delete this tweet*

[tall torrent]

But

Idk abt including exe stance builds

Or infiltrate

Yet

[frank basin]

go recon exestance

[oak ivy]

thanks ill try this out

[tall torrent]

Nah

[frank basin]

i run plasma infiltrate

last run with ciaphas and Gale

[idle swallow]

bolter exe stance hehehe

[tall torrent]

Oh yea

Boltgun exe stance

One Motion + Tac reload

[orchid hemlock]

This video is 1 month old https://youtu.be/AEyRvZMRM8E?si=pWG6jg_Fj2lh5Khp

[frank basin]

hes using Graia Braced auto, I praise him

my favorite gun

[junior needle]

Ah, and the RC for commander decided to get off their lazy asses and do something. Now fatshark has something coming in the next few days.

It's like watching the stars align

[junior needle]

lemao

[orchid hemlock]

look how he mascaraed your boi

[frank basin]

i only care him using it

let him be

[orchid hemlock]

hes not treating the gun with RESPECT

[tall torrent]

Ok so

Plasma Gunner

• Survivalist + FT
• Fire Team + WS
  Recon Trooper
  Boltpistol Grenadier
  Boltgun (exe stance)
  WS generalist

That’s kind of it

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[frank basin]

[junior needle]

Is 🅱️ istol grenadier actually practical or is it meme tier

It seems like it's meme tier

[tall torrent]

Top 5 veteran build

[idle swallow]

If you got both grenade regen talents and better shredders talent it's hot stuff

[junior needle]

Intredasting, I will have to take a look

But not before the patch drops, probably

[tall torrent]

It’s basically veteran’s smite

But unlike EP smite which kills things in 8 seconds

You kill things in 3 seconds because veteran

And u get a 1HS gun for flamer & gunner

[junior needle]

Very little can persuade me to not play stealth knife

I will try out az's setup for recons

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol grenadier might be the highest damage build for veteran tbh

U basically start with 50k more damage than everybody else from the first horde just because u threw 1~2 grenades

[junior needle]

But does it get me more elite/special kills

Number go up is my only source of enjoyment currently

It must be biggerer than the others

[idle swallow]

More ragers in a rager pack just means more value for boltpistol shredders

[tall torrent]

Kill 20+ ragers in 3 seconds in 1~2 grenades

You get to drop ogryn nuke equivalent every minute

[junior needle]

Well I expect that much, my concern was more sustain

Since you're taking a kinda uh

Bad weapon

[tall torrent]

Wdym bad weapon

Boltpistol with Run&gun + lethal prox hits all necessary breakpoints

Doesn’t need to ads

Highly accurate hipfire with pretty good range

And u get a power sword

Where’s the “bad weapon”

[junior needle]

You just sprint and hipfire it? pog

[tall torrent]

Run&gun removes sprint to fire delay

-30% Hipfire & braced spread

[junior needle]

When I looked here it was just "dogshit budget revolver"

[tall torrent]

And +12% C.damage while sprinting

[junior needle]

But I'm out of the loop

[idle swallow]

If you try to run it like revolver with surgical/deadly accurate then yea it's mostly a worse revolver but that's why you lean on the other options it has

[tame lodge]

Some people expected Zarona 2.0 but they got a weapon with more utility then got mad at it

Kek

(the bugged aim definitely didn't help though)

[thorny girder]

Zarona or Agri revolver?

[junior needle]

Zarona is massively better than agri currently

[stable oak]

gorlami

[crude fiber]

Buff for agri might make it more fun though

[thorny girder]

Ok, also, I'm making a playlist for when I play darktide, mind lending some song suggestions?

[frank basin]

it is "I STILL STANDING"

[thorny girder]

Huh?

[frank basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09y83XJJJU

[thorny girder]

Ohhh

[tame lodge]

Yeah yeah yeah

[thorny girder]

That's the space marine version of I'm still standing

Already got it

[last parcel]

taylor swift and britney spears

[thorny girder]

Ehhh no taylor

Started to dislike her

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-steve-meat-canyon-meat-canyon-gif-1658802658835191648

[thorny girder]

Britney a real one tho

[idle swallow]

It's Britney bitch

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/zWg5IWX20qw?si=nNJbMiY26zILq1k3

[thorny girder]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5ptZSnZ2LuxXw3yj33VbBV?si=tZOViwDKSZGEZBqWwJfKvw&pi=u-wFR-viH6TTOE

This is what I have so far

[tame lodge]

Get some eurobeats

[idle swallow]

https://youtu.be/imxSXI1IYVs?si=UBDP7DIts7q455Hw

[thorny girder]

I don't like how that sounds in my ears

[frank basin]

glop glop glop glop

[thorny girder]

Time to ask the ogryns

[frank basin]

damn im reading some note and i found this

focus cooling with getting hot combination

[tall torrent]

It’s the “transfer peril” equivalent on plasma

[frank basin]

true

sound fun

[umbral scaffold]

Isn't the last one already in the game?

I'm pretty sure there's a volatile-something blessing that increases charge time with low heat

[tall torrent]

No it’s volatile but better

[last parcel]

which is why i will run both

[oblique totem]

A shame that most groups don't have any good people in them

Sounds like a lot of effort.

[tiny summit]

https://youtu.be/cEflMmt3MzQ?si=BXh1xBbt0rnR25pn

[topaz smelt]

this any good? advice welcome https://imgur.com/tj0ILCV

[tiny summit]

Yea keep it for the craft update this week and put weight of fire and surgical and change the perks.

[frank basin]

Only 3 more day

[topaz smelt]

nice thanks

xD

[red robin]

https://youtu.be/jozqnG_32i0?si=KgeiGKnc9m8bRGcM gotta be the super edgelord with mercy killer and flesh tearer

[topaz smelt]

i like this one more than vergils

[frank basin]

I prefer bury the light

[thorny girder]

I'm looking for high pump horror/grim-dark

Idk how to explain

[frank basin]

You’re looking upbeat combat music?

[bleak coral]

https://youtu.be/N3472Q6kvg0?si=Ks0n1Gpw0h1DFSxX probably not this but subhuman reminded me of RULES OF NATURE

[thorny girder]

Gives you the pump of darktide

[trim steppe]

Immortal Imperium and Disposal Unit on repeat

[thorny girder]

Already got that

[frank basin]

Can a cyberpunk combat music help it?

[red robin]

Am I gross for suggesting death grips

[thorny girder]

It can

[red robin]

Industrial hip hop

[thorny girder]

Hmm

[frank basin]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3qtDZaGtUycE-YOmhTbwqjROV0gap6RZ&si=j9HCVjtkfl6-Et5i

[bleak coral]

honestly the Darktide OST is great by itself

[severe gale]

yes

be ashamed

[red robin]

I have no shame

I am the beast I worship

xd

[frank basin]

Ballistic Persuation is my favorite @thorny girder

[trim steppe]

Krigsgaldr - Heilung
https://youtu.be/QRg_8NNPTD8?si=u0XXgA8XV6OEKc1d

[trim steppe]

The Ascent is a good game, the cyberpunk aesthetic is incredible

[frank basin]

Good game no need stay long in development

They stopped since 2022

[red robin]

Love to see it

[trim steppe]

Was able to catch them live last year, they do an awesome show.

[red robin]

I got so much envy

I bet the energy was surreal

[thorny girder]

Sounds fire

[umbral scaffold]

heilung ❤️

[thorny girder]

I like this because it gives the feeling of an opera trying to match metal

And it gives off Warhammer aesthetic vibes

[hard cave]

chat

I found the legendary +3 stamina curio from brunt

[thorny girder]

Send

[umbral scaffold]

😭 ❓ what does that mean

[thorny girder]

It means an opera group that sings with the netal

[orchid hemlock]

are people STILL sharing music? 😭

[thorny girder]

Metal

[thorny girder]

Dawg, this is a playlist for anyone

[umbral scaffold]

😭 ❓ so you mean that it got vocals

[thorny girder]

And I like to hear opinions on music

[thorny girder]

It's got them majestic vocals

Not metal vocals

[rigid pilot]

Gaming

[thorny girder]

It's weird to explain

[orchid hemlock]

gaymers unite

[orchid hemlock]

why?

[thorny girder]

Why not? Some people have similar tastes that someone hasn't heard

And I'm down for it

[orchid hemlock]

I'm not really big on "gamer music" because its mostly just soundtracks

[frank basin]

i uh made music

[orchid hemlock]

soundtracks are good within the context of the medium it is representing, but I rarely will listen anytime outside of it

[umbral scaffold]

i like alot of genras of music except country and like rap tbh

[frank basin]

sunflower post malone

[rigid pilot]

Is that a sentence

[topaz smelt]

any darksynth, perturbator most of all

[orchid hemlock]

hip hop is probably one of my favorite genres in general

but that is because currently we are going thru the "golden age" of it

new Jazz has been cropping up recently

[frank basin]

R&B very sad song

sad jazz

[orchid hemlock]

and Metal with Middi and Black vibes is currently reaching popularity again

[umbral scaffold]

Any one like Harsh noise

[topaz smelt]

as a machinist, i hear it too much

[umbral scaffold]

im partially deaf

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-throne-gif-11749679

[orchid hemlock]

recently I really enjoyed this album for metal: https://open.spotify.com/album/28gL6vjKVFaO7UG0ImRzkY?si=ycspcHeeTUuHB0I2PtBXKg

[topaz smelt]

imo best perturbator album right here https://open.spotify.com/album/1boANaRfN0OSTEiQaEuFMd?si=tMVrRcTHRm2gccy_5pMYbQ

he gets the grim future atmosphere down masterfully

you feel in bladerunner almost

[umbral scaffold]

https://open.spotify.com/album/73ZGJ0noQl8rYFmbJZz8jH?si=tKGFB2UxR_24MTz4XhWQxw
oner of my favourite album, more on the experimental spectrum of things

[orchid hemlock]

I never liked perturbator, most of his "dark" synth is just a less polished version of people like Maximum Love

[topaz smelt]

wym, perturbator started darksynth

[orchid hemlock]

pls dont compare perturbator with Vangelis 💀

[frank basin]

maximum love kinda like sythwave

[topaz smelt]

vangelis made his piece in a well known movie, but musically its bland

[frank basin]

music debate 🍿

[orchid hemlock]

"dark synth" isn't an actual genre

but perturbator didn't start synthwave

[topaz smelt]

never said he did

he was at the vanguard of the subgenre darksynth

[orchid hemlock]

"bland"

yikes 😬

defined a sound since the 80s

[topaz smelt]

yes, bland, with no layers

[orchid hemlock]

the fuck does that mean?

wait everyone they gonna pull out the "music theory" 🍿

[frank basin]

I go with flow

[topaz smelt]

haha

[frank basin]

not with music theory mind bogging

[orchid hemlock]

tru this is why I hate it when people try to be "technical" about what music "should be"

because the majority of people who came up with these theories are 1800s white guys that would puke listening to jazz

[topaz smelt]

music is way more than sound

psychology and music are closer than one might think

[orchid hemlock]

because in the end of the day, the execution is determined by mix and compression

[topaz smelt]

theres a reason why some notes sound "dark" and others sound "happy" or "sad"

[topaz smelt]

off by some 300 years

if you meant classical music

[umbral scaffold]

music can and should be interpreted in alot of ways

[orchid hemlock]

yes I am aware of how parallel music development can overlap with different conferment of key phrases and note combinations

for example, Northern India cultural music:

[topaz smelt]

well looks like im not allowed to interpret it my way

[frank basin]

we not gonna have art theory where drawing should be technical

[orchid hemlock]

this is very similar to a portamento or a pentanonic

[topaz smelt]

modern art shouldnt be a thing

[umbral scaffold]

nah it should

[topaz smelt]

i saw a dude take his shoe off and people flocked to it thinking it was part of the museum

i mean in a meta ironic way it is art

[umbral scaffold]

thoses are memes

[frank basin]

remember banana tape on wall

[topaz smelt]

the banana taped to a wall is a meme too?

[frank basin]

it become a meme

the artist took it off and eat it

people take picture it

[red robin]

Man

Y’all know so much abt what goes into music

I just hear something that sounds stimulating and I enjoy it

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

[topaz smelt]

people are different i guess

[frank basin]

see

we aren't that hive minded

we just entropy

[orchid hemlock]

no, I'm talking about people like Heinrich Schenker and Carl Schachter

these are literally the guys you need to learn from to be a musician in almost all parts of the world

[umbral scaffold]

https://youtu.be/t6HZ3TwmQWY?si=VFK37Pb_kZDzAAPT i play this in my head at work and i go in a work frenzy for the next 8 hours

unironically

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-vibe-gif-24179784

[umbral scaffold]

really good fuel

[red robin]

When you say I’m not going to take uncanny strike

[orchid hemlock]

dam bruh another nuclear take? 💀

[topaz smelt]

they are modern musicians

[orchid hemlock]

?????

[frank basin]

we talking about music

[orchid hemlock]

ok

[umbral scaffold]

@orchid hemlock

https://tenor.com/view/bait-we-fed-the-trolls-fish-this-has-gotta-be-bait-dont-feed-the-trolls-gif-4673057485460817879

[topaz smelt]

theres no way youre taking heinrich who modeled his theory off bach on a higher note

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/facial-animation-gone-wrong-joke-funny-roman-statue-lawsuit-gif-14222617

Chat rn

Nvm

Wrong gif