You definitely need at least onslaught if not both rending talents to make infernus a consideration but headhunter/infernus on vld in that case is fine
#veteran-class
idle swallow
crude citrus
i run fire team for more points
delicate hornet
collateral isnt really worthwhile since they have very low stagger
thin stone
check DMs, I sent you the image @delicate hornet
frank ether
more crits less ammo used with the right talent
they did make close damage less useless so some of those close dmg blessings are more useful in general I guess
but if you want shock trooper value then u probably want headhunter too
idle swallow
behold my current vld freak build rn no criticisms possible keystones are for the well adjusted
terse idol
More damage is less shots used
If headhunter only gives 5% extra damage like azrael said IRRC because I forgor
Then in the whole run you only gain so much ammo
frank ether
doesn't the tooltip already say %5 per headshot anyway
all of your crits and crit strings are basically free
but I guess its questionable how much ammo sustain do you really need
last parcel
If headhunter only gives 5% extra damage like azrael said IRRC because I forgor
it was effectively +5% crit over a few matches, given a build running reciprocity and the crit chance node above infiltrate
crude citrus
my submission (vid recon)
thin stone
Is the Veteran guide still up to date?
last parcel
it was effectively +5% crit over a few matches, given a build running reciprocit...
meanwhile deathspitter is +30% multiplicative dmg because darktide damage calculation
thin stone
Is the Veteran guide still up to date?
I want to use it for knife lasgun
the one with a knife in the front
last parcel
Is the Veteran guide still up to date?
it's 2 patches out of date but the general gist is ok
the helbores
thin stone
yeh hellbore
terse idol
Recon ain't updated so
crude citrus
my submission (vid recon)
for the emperor > born leader but i like it
terse idol
frank ether
meanwhile deathspitter is +30% multiplicative dmg because darktide damage calcul...
that sounds fair and balanced
if thats how the math works for it no wonder ppl hyping it up
iron marten
yeh hellbore
Mk1 and Mk2 helbores are good anti shooter cause of the infinite ammo with shocktrooper + the bayonet of those things are just hilariously good
last parcel
yeh hellbore
those pages are good. just ignore the radar charts and keep in mind that onslaught blessing was renamed to weight of fire
crude citrus
Mk1 and Mk2 helbores are good anti shooter cause of the infinite ammo with shock...
i dont know if they fixed it but the bayonet was legit one of the best melee weapons couple of patches ago
ridiculous dmg
iron marten
Ye, they patched it, but it’s still good in a pinch
Never forget the brutal momentum bayonet
iron marten
Mk3 helbore has a bad bayonet, but it has potential to absolutely mince monstrosities
iron marten
This is a pretty unrealistic showcase for what the mk3 can do, but just to show its potential damage
crude citrus
This is a pretty unrealistic showcase for what the mk3 can do, but just to show ...
wowowow wasnt aware it can do that
how do you get 5k dmg?
iron marten
I went absolutely glass cannon on that
iron marten
3 +3 stamina
Deadshot
FT with 8 stacks
Red stimm
And screwing up the Exe Stance setup
crude citrus
refresh my memory FT = ?
iron marten
Focus Target
iron marten
Think I also had the talent with +15% base damage on no nearby enemies
But didn’t really matter
frank monolith
🤔 that gave me an idea
plain drift
My journey has come to an end
last parcel
🤔 that gave me an idea
well then let's hear it. guessing it's a good one if you've been cooking for a month 
last parcel
My journey has come to an end
last parcel
too late i've already deleted your character
crude citrus
wai wait don't tier 2 stop dropping after lvl 20?
they deffo dont (at hadron) i had one drop on a random 300+ gun
but the chance is ridiculously low
lower than t4
plain drift
Already got one at max :C
frank monolith
well then let's hear it. guessing it's a good one if you've been cooking for a m...
doesnt work not enough points to run exe stance with weapon spec on db 
jaunty sphinx
almost pulled off a clutch
pain
at least my teammates called me "insane"
and so back to step one on the auric storm survivor grind
ive only got one point in my build should I use bring it down or superiority complex
red robin
So like
This revolver blessing
Doesn’t reset if you body shot or miss
As long as you refresh it with a headshot
This got me thinking this might be nutty
If it functions the same way
serene bough
stacks of trickshooter deplete far too quickly to be reliably used iirc
red robin
Bro this ain’t about the viability of trickshooter
It’s about concentrated fire
If it functions the same way as trickshooter
That’s just 20-25% crit chance
serene bough
if it functions the same way then concentrated fire will have similar problems
rigid pilot
what if it stacks infinitely 
serene bough
the point is if they function similarly it'll be a very unreliable and you'll have difficulty reaching 5 stacks
red robin
?
serene bough
how quickly does trickshooter deplete
red robin
That’s all you do with it
serene bough
yes i can read
red robin
Yeah it’s just 25% crit chance if there is no fall off if you miss
That’s huge
With opening salvo being buffed to be first 20% of mag gets 10% crit
It’ll be kind of nuts
serene bough
ok have checking in psykanium i rescind my comment
trickshooter stacks do linger for some time
red robin
You could be right tho
serene bough
i could've swore at some point the blessing was trash bc stacks decays far too quickly
rigid pilot
its because revolvers have little ammo
red robin
We don’t know how the las pistol blessing functions
rigid pilot
and reloads are punishing
red robin
Wasting ammo for that blessing ain’t worth it
serene bough
its because revolvers have little ammo
no, i mean I believe in a previous update missing or not hitting a weakspot removed stacks
red robin
It’s doable on the fanning revolver
serene bough
but i may just be misrememebring and be totally incorrect
red robin
I think you might be right
It could be bugged
Hard to tell for sure
Because the melee chained hits talents fall off if you miss
Idk if ranged weapon chained hits are more forgiving
Or should function the same way, unless it is bugged or intended
serene bough
I think you might be right
nono youre correct, missing headshots or landing a body shot doesnt remove stacks
so if conc fire works the same way it'll be great for laspistol
jaunty sphinx
Superiority
ty
red robin
It’ll be insane tbh
If there is no falloff
If there is it’ll still be ammo efficient
Ghost + 25% concentrated fire + 25% Reciprocity + 5% crit perk + 5% crit node + 15% las base crit + 10% opening salvo + 25% from deadshot is 100% crit chance
That’s not achievable 100% of the time, but that’s still a huge crit range of 60% to 100%
Honestly, it doesn’t concentrated fire doesn’t have the wording saying that it stacks,
It could just be 5%
Then desperado will probably be the better choice
fading rivet
How should I farm for power cycler? Lots of brunt to blue upgrades?
last parcel
How should I farm for power cycler? Lots of brunt to blue upgrades?
wait 2 weeks for the crafting rework so you won’t have to fight rng
but if you must, upgrading 360+ base weapons to orange works
fading rivet
wait 2 weeks for the crafting rework so you won’t have to fight rng
but if you m...
Thanks! Wasn’t sure if blue was most efficient plasteel wise or going all the way to fully consecrated was
tall torrent
Concentrated fire probably stacks up to 5
red robin
We are so back
tall torrent
That’s my guess anyway
red robin
Why have the wording of chained weak spots if it didn’t stack
If it was flat it would just say that
slow spade
Why have the wording of chained weak spots if it didn’t stack
Likely because it has 4 different tiers
2-3-4-5%
Yes this is shit but Fatshark has released worse before
delicate hornet
just had a lobby of shotgun zealots berate me for not carrying hard enough
lovely x)
grim scroll
Hey, if I'm running around with a bolter at leve 30, what should the perks I get for it be? Because right now I'm very, very not specialized, and I'm looking to re-consecrate my weaponi.
red robin
depends what you want to use it for
carapace and unyielding if you hate bosses and ogyrns
maniac and whatever for generalist
red robin
maniac and unyielding would be a good mix
alot of ammo sank vs carapace if you use the bolter on them, might be better to save ammo by answering them with krak or a melee that can handle it
grim scroll
Right now I've got it at 10% reload and Inrease Ranged Critical Strike by 4%.
red robin
you got good blessings?
grim scroll
Not especially. Least I don't think so.
red robin
what are they?
grim scroll
red robin
might be decent to keep reload and reroll the crit chance
grim scroll
I've genuinely done nothing with these things.
red robin
hp is good if a pesky sniper one shots you
i had a run with 300+ toughness and got downed by 1 sniper
another guy died after i became a liability
pinning fire and surgical are solid picks on the bolter
grim scroll
I'll have to look at the talents breakdown another day. I really just clicked and that was it. Didn't do any of the math.
lyric dock
The general rule with Vets is slap as much toughness as you can
And depending on which Vet you focus into you swap one of the toughness for HP (If going for Melee Focus) or Stamina (If going into Deadshot talent)
terse idol
The general rule with Vets is slap as much toughness as you can
I meeeannnnn
Little bit of diminishing returns
Maybe?
The biggest note is
Whenever you drain all toughness having the minimum hp will kill you
I'm running like, 1x toughness 2x hp? And because you already got high base toughness you get more value from keeping a high health value
lyric dock
Big thing is why you want to stack as much toughness as you can is get a lot of value from Iron will
Which gives you a good chunk of TDR while being at 75% or higher toughness
And having more toughness makes that 75% or higher point much higher
faint beacon
Veteran the Combo Curios is like
terse idol
Well it's 75% of that max value
terse idol
Well yeeahh
3x toughness is too much
Cause there's plenty of things that will blow your toughness away
uncut pebble
Cause there's plenty of things that will blow your toughness away
One (1) burster the ogryn pickaxe pulls for shits and giggles.
lyric dock
Or a teammate "Helps" by popping the burster before you can safetly shove it
last parcel
the burster that gets popped because the psyker suicided right as you were going to push 
lyric dock
This is why I tend to use shout when pushing bursters
uncut pebble
I did an excise vault auric last night where a bot walked up to it and fucking SMASHED the shit out of its face with a shovel and killed me.
lyric dock
223 Toughness + 203 HP total combo I have :))
Roughly 230 Toughness on my Vet. 209 if a Stamina Curio is equipped for Dead shot
And on 1 build where I snag both +25 Toughness nodes Vet has and my usual 3+ toughness Curio set up
broken palm
Alright y'all, how is executioners stance vet looking post update?
radiant chasm
well update hasn't hit yet but it will be a bit better
lyric dock
It no longer gets Point taxed
broken palm
Thank God
lyric dock
So now you spend that saved point on one of the other augments for it or used that point else where
thin stone
I got a chad specs plasma gun from mission rewards
It's too good to be true fr ong
I almost nut the moment I saw it
red robin
223 Toughness + 203 HP total combo I have :))
what array is this?
two toughness and 1 hp curio with hp and toughness perks?
faint beacon
yes
red robin
i need that 200 hp club so I wont be a clown
like 5% hp and 5% toughness on all 3?
what goes on this?
flak instead of weakspot?
lusty sapphire
Defence past 51% does quite literally nothing for your shovel
red robin
I might take skullcrusher on it for the special stagger into push attack headshot
Only weakness is armoured but in that case I should just take the impale shovels
My main gripe with the push attack on the standard shovel is that the headshot detection is iffy on mutants
What’s the point if I can’t special stagger his head and follow it up with an overhead swing that clunks into his shoulders
faint beacon
Uncanny + Skull work well
Uncanny + Deci is theoretically better if you have good aim
severe gale
Defence past 51% does quite literally nothing for your shovel
is it just block efficiency?
lusty sapphire
is it just block efficiency?
Sprint and push cost
And mobility is dodge distance, dodge limit and sprint speed.
severe gale
oh
lusty sapphire
So you can have both of them at 51 or above and it won't change anything
severe gale
i forgot shovel had mobility
crude citrus
for a helbore mk3 build with deadshot do you get more mileage out of MF or FT?
with exec stance
red robin
focus target 100%
mf is very restricting with slow fire rate weapons
you can even get the node to get toughness and stamina back
crude citrus
opinion on this?
im trying to max helbore dmg while keeping confirmed kill/iron will for survive
red robin
You can drop a handful of points there for more efficiency
Once update drops you’ll have another point to spend too
crude citrus
You can drop a handful of points there for more efficiency
sure which ones?
red robin
Marksmen can be skipped, it’s overkill on a lot of entities, the stamina delay could be skipped if you are efficient with stamina with target down.
Longshot is solid but most range might have it lose some mileage.
Those two traits on focus target add quite a bit
shy oak
shock trooper las gun crit for competitive urge
i dont run out of ammo with the helbore with the extra ammo and survivalistr anyways
red robin
32% damage on highlighted enemies at 8 stacks and you have 12% damage buff that lingers for 10 seconds
Team wide also
crude citrus
ty both. i dropped marksman and shock trooper for redirect fire and competitive urge
i cant melee with vet without the stamina delay regen node. on the fence about longshot
it is a full 20% at range
crude citrus
is 8 stacks that useful? i barely reach 5
by the time it hits 4 ive already tagged an enemy usually
red robin
Be wiser with it
crude citrus
but elite packs
red robin
That 12% damage for 10 seconds will do a lot of work
crude citrus
ahhhhhh
red robin
Spamming it lowers its efficiency
crude citrus
that is wise
red robin
That’s 25% toughness and stamina at 5 stacks, 8 is 40% toughness and stamina
If you have +3 stamina curios, it’ll be way more efficient to use with deadshot
crude citrus
im running one +3 stam yea
red robin
That’ll do honestly
40% is a lot of deadshot shots with more stamina curios
But 1 +3 stamina is solid
What does the helbore look like?
crude citrus
i got 2 from my gun as well (locked)
red robin
Not an issue tbh
red robin
Yeah that’s all around solid
crude citrus
oh the stam isnt even locked
is carapace good? with maniac i could one shot ragers in the head
red robin
Yeah maniac would be good
crude citrus
im trying to figure out breakpoints in the psykanium
but theres so many buffs
hard to figure out the optimal
tawny badger
I wish I could use the hellbore lasgun
red robin
Depends what you want to kill with it
If you take flak your bayonet will have more breathing room in melee if you choose to use it
Again, +2 stamina is fair with that set up
More deadshot uptime
tawny badger
I guess so, it's just I get a really bad case of tunnel vision when I use it lol
vale ledge
I guess so, it's just I get a *really* bad case of tunnel vision when I use it l...
Use the Mk2 and treat it like a dmr
red robin
Where as a high firerate weapon like the columnus abuses the finesse boost with its stringed crits
And headshots are super easy to maintain on the columnus
But onslaught is hard to reach with marksmen focus being invested in
tawny badger
it's weird bc I'm okay with other headshot heavy weapons like the bolt pistol, revolvers and headhunter autogun (vraks vii)
hm
red robin
I just take the 10% rending in the MF node and 10% rending strike for 20% upfront rending on the columnus
red robin
It has a mid bayonet use
tawny badger
eh that's what my melee is for
red robin
Where as the other 2 has stabs for pesky enemies
vale ledge
Also bayonet charging increases movement speed briefly
red robin
Ya wanna maintain executioners if you use it that way
tawny badger
do bayonet kills proc relentless
vale ledge
Range weapon kill is range weapon kill as long as done with range weapon
red robin
Oo shit
I see no restrictions on how you kill them
The bayonet probably would refresh it
vale ledge
maybe I should try the mk2, thanks slab
Also use the mk2 more “passive aggressively”
tawny badger
wat
red robin
Fuck that huddle standing in one spot shit
Rush them fuckers in the mix of chaos
Movement is so underrated
last parcel
The bayonet probably would refresh it
it does
red robin
Inshallah
vale ledge
wat
As in sometimes commiting to a full charge shot isn’t always needed and hipfiring isn’t always a bad idea if your desperate (as the gun still hits hard but fast)
red robin
Ye ye, body shot cannon tbh
vale ledge
Like I said “treat it like a dmr” not a sniper rifle
red robin
M1 garand type beat
vale ledge
It CAN be used for long range, it doesn’t mean it needs to be used for long range
red robin
Also
Does the desperado talent increase attack speed at all? Since it’s just finesse listed
orchid hemlock
opinion on this?
ur mom
this is a troll build, but something like this IG: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb](https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cee53c5-6790-478f-88b0-9e58dcb16bbb/infinite-ammo-glitch?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button)
red robin
Like do these apply to each other
Or is the weapons finesse stat completely unique from the talent in a sense
orchid hemlock
I'm pretty sure what is saying is that all finesse stats on the weapon get a 25% bonus
but fatshark is soo vague that I have no idea
it is very good though
red robin
orchid hemlock
if that is what you are asking
red robin
So this number the heavy attack finesse bonus becomes 3.31?
But the attack speed is unchanged
radiant chasm
finesse bonus is only given to crit and weakspot power, attack speed is unchanged, only the mod score effects that
red robin
Ok thanks for letting me know
Does that finesse bonus from desperado function like how weakspot and critical damage perks function
crude citrus
this is a troll build, but something like this IG: https://darktide.gameslantern...
dont wanna go voc
exec stance = big dmg = dopamine
orchid hemlock
ur the first Vet in the world who doesn't VOC, truly a revolutionary moment today 😔
crude citrus
its not like i havnt VOCed a million times
red robin
Calculated separately from base damage and only affect the crit and weakspot amp
Variety is the spice of life my friend
It’s why I choose to not take uncanny on a lot of weapons
orchid hemlock
exec stance = big dmg = dopamine
somthing like this ig then:
i dont like exe stance, too clunky
I would rather use infiltrate if I want to one shot shit
red robin
It fucks on columnus and las pistol due to their mobility
orchid hemlock
the big problem with it is that it completely disappears if you switch back to melee
and I'm in melee 80% of the time
orchid hemlock
shout also has a lot of utility in CCing things like bullwalks so you can headshot them
crude citrus
yes shout is better
i know
i want big numbers
its like martyr zealot
its not good
but its fun as hell
plain drift
After trials and tribulations I have done it
crude citrus
After trials and tribulations I have done it
gz
crude citrus
are you trying to blessing max?
tame lodge
its not good
I will ignore this slander 
crude citrus
I will ignore this slander <:trolldisappoint:745336410499710978>
yknow what i mean. it is good but only if youre on no hp and you have to have perfect play then. if you have to play perfectly its not the best choice but it is strong
nothing better than putting on some music, queuing up to a normal damn on a martyr build and just lmbing away
plain drift
How usable is this and what kind of build would you go for:
tall torrent
finesse is +crit & weakspot dmg
only finesse stat in a weapon's stat distribution may affect attack speed
red robin
Thanks for the answer
So trench fighter and WS are the only attack speed nodes eh
Talents
tall torrent
So trench fighter and WS are the only attack speed nodes eh
For veteran, yea
red robin
Thanks, the desperado mystery alluded for a bit
I wonder what the headshot modifier is on the standard shovel
tall torrent
Fairly low
red robin
Especially the push attack
tall torrent
Push atk has higher finesse
red robin
By what amount?
tall torrent
But I’d mostly just run uncanny + decimator if I wanted to run standard shovel
tall torrent
Nah u don’t
Most weapons are fairly lenient on rolls
The only weapons on veteran that care about specific stat rolls are combat axes & plasma gun
red robin
I got this array spread here
Take a swing is locked in btw
Already changed weakspot to flak
Also changed decimator to skullcrusher
I know it ain’t optimal, but I wanted to try a push attack headshot build
I already have other shovels with uncanny and decimator
Special into push attack
Is what I wanted to try with it
gilded wraith
The only weapons on veteran that care about specific stat rolls are combat axes ...
Was Vraks 7 another picky one?
red robin
Doesn’t dmg affect the finesse curve of ranged weapons?
How tf would you even go abt calculating the finesse curve
tall torrent
I’d take uncanny over decimator
red robin
Aight
tall torrent
Was Vraks 7 another picky one?
It’s not that picky depending on ur talent set-up
red robin
Does rending apply to infected armor type?
tall torrent
No
tall torrent
Rending is flak/carapace/maniac/unyielding
red robin
How does first target modifier work?
At 80% it’s 1.15, is that just a 15% damage increase to the first target?
tall torrent
At 80% it’s 1.15, is that just a 15% damage increase to the first target?
x1.15 power
More stagger as well I think
red robin
Ooo
red robin
Does executioners stance and deadshot tighten the choke spread on the Agripinaa shotgun in ADS?
tame lodge
Does executioners stance and deadshot tighten the choke spread on the Agripinaa ...
Exec reduces the spread of any weapon
red robin
They do
The choke of the pellet spread tightens on ADS
I assume it’s because of the spread crosshair shrinking
And the hip fire has more cleave I believe?
On the lawbringer and kantrael I think
sleek garden
which braced autogun has the best hipfire accuracy
right now im using the graia
i hate not being able to shoot people midrange
tame lodge
Probably the Agri since you can tap fire it
Graia IV exec still my favorite build though
lavish token
right now im using the graia
That’s the worst one
stable oak
zonguses, i need the metaest meta meta plasma meta guide. meta. is there one and where do i look for it
unique orchid
Gets hot is one of them
unique orchid
Gets hot the blessing i mean
sleek garden
Graia IV exec still my favorite build though
Thats what im using with the blessing that makes you invulnerable to ranged when you hit enemies close
i sprint into the middle of a shooter column and hit f
its great
oblique totem
Where's the tire?
last parcel
Where's the tire?
it’s taking a nap
oblique totem
Well wake it up, it's swing-o-clock
stable oak
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/127632659347...
i will do your first suggestion first, million gone no damage/stopping
last parcel
i will do your first suggestion first, million gone no damage/stopping
don’t forget that crafting rework is in 2 weeks
stable oak
i am dopamines
last parcel
understandable
oblique totem
https://tenor.com/view/unlucky-tire-hit-accident-gif-17270722
Rude
stable oak
is the a porn game with all of the hadron's stupid casino crew members
idle swallow
You won't last 5 SECONDS with Hadron after playing this game!!!!! (she depleted your plasteel reserves instantly)
umbral scaffold
🤤
rigid pilot
thin stone
You won't last 5 SECONDS with Hadron after playing this game!!!!! (she depleted ...
As a hadron mommy enjoyer, I can confirm
meager topaz
Between DeathSpitter vs Firefrenzy which one is better to pair DumDum
unique orchid
Probably the one thats also close range hit trigger
Since theyll both proc at the same time
meager topaz
I think both deathspitter and firefrenzy are triggered in close range
unique orchid
Ah, i forget what they do
tame lodge
Well, Deathspitter is power
tall torrent
Between DeathSpitter vs Firefrenzy which one is better to pair DumDum
Deathspitter
because deathspitter is +power which is multiplicative with +dmg
unless ur looking at smth like braced autogun or combat shotgun
then fire frenzy can potentially scale better because it's inherently more close ranged
meager topaz
Well I know the perks are bad but hopefully the new rework would fix this. DeathSpitter it is then
tall torrent
Well I know the perks are bad but hopefully the new rework would fix this. Death...
this will serve fine for now
radiant chasm
Between DeathSpitter vs Firefrenzy which one is better to pair DumDum
DS is power so if your weapon has any cleave ds is better
For weapons that don’t cleave FF is better
30% power vs 50% close damage (same range as dum dum)
tall torrent
DS is power so if your weapon has any cleave ds is better
DS +cleave is usually very small to the point of negligible, it's more that it retains +dmg over range better and scales better due to +power being multiplicative with +dmg
example, at 5 stack Dum Dum and 5 stack of Deathspitter / Fire Frenzy
assuming veteran gets +10% ranged dmg (+5% ranged dmg node & fire team)
within 12.5m, DS gets (1+10%+30%) (1+32.5%) = 185.5% dmg
FF gets (1+10%+30%+50%) = 190% dmg
radiant chasm
I see
tall torrent
but as soon as u stretch the range beyond 12.5m, both Dum Dum and Fire Frenzy start dropping
radiant chasm
And the power would also continue if you swapped to a farther target for a duration
tall torrent
power doesn't decay over range so it retains effectiveness better
radiant chasm
I stand corrected
tall torrent
and it's multiplicative so it maths out better
radiant chasm
Agri iag is the cleaving one right?
tall torrent
I'd only consider FF outperforming DS on stuff like braced autogun & shotguns
because they don't have dum dum, and they're most relevant within FF's 12.5m max effectiveness range
tall torrent
Agri iag is the cleaving one right?
ya
radiant chasm
Cause 1 cleave weapons yea 30% power is only 1.3 cleave
But 2.0 cleave weapons go to 2.6 and so on and so forth
Unless im fucking up the math
tall torrent
going from 2 to 2.6 is like, still negligible overall
radiant chasm
Which i could be im medicated and dozing off
radiant chasm
That’s one less groaner eating your shots for a special or elite
What’s agri brautos cleave
radiant chasm
Cause i know ff ds lets me kill a reaper through a horde
tall torrent
2.78 doesn't cleave more enemies than 2.1 does
tall torrent
both end at 3 groaner / 2 poxwalker / 2 flamer / 2 trapper / 2 shotgunner
radiant chasm
Stagger as a negative stat on range
tall torrent
still wouldn't go through gunners & ragers
tall torrent
Thats going to bother me since i view
I mean
the weapons that have access to DS
generally suppress gunners before they stagger lol
radiant chasm
Hmm
I wanna try
Manstopper deathspitter double barrel weapon specialist
Noo
Damage falls off too fast
Agri
It all comes back to agri
tall torrent
deathspitter is pretty cool for recon & IAGs
radiant chasm
And brautos
radiant chasm
What agri brauto cleave
tall torrent
3
tall torrent
actually no, 3
radiant chasm
I now feel validated
radiant chasm
Is there any sources of range power on vet tree
tall torrent
tall torrent
Is there any sources of range power on vet tree
yea
Marksman (+20% M/R pwr on weakspot hit for 10s after ability)
gl with that on braced auto
radiant chasm
Holy shit im stupid asf when im this tired id be telling myself
radiant chasm
gl with that on braced auto
Ill install the aimbot mod /j
tame lodge
Marksman (+20% M/R pwr on weakspot hit for 10s after ability)
Helbores hitting for 5+ cleave next patch
tall torrent
Helbores hitting for 5+ cleave next patch <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497244442072391...
lore accurate lucius pattern lasgun
shame I don't think Hot-Shot will be that valuable
radiant chasm
Psykers getting 100% cleave based on peril
And scriers stopping them from blowing up for 10 seconds
tall torrent
psyker's +100% cleave is basically just made for illisi
radiant chasm
Yea but now it can go through more everything that can be cleaved
tall torrent
and unless u put urself into a chokepoint that +cleave just won't matter all that much
radiant chasm
Cause im pretty sure it still has a limit
tall torrent
limit is at like 12 or smth
but surge makes it behave very weirdly
the double shot
radiant chasm
That’s the whole point of void is using chokes so it’s great for clearing hordes if you are in the right spot
Yea im thinking surge transfer peril void with scriers DD until i can deprogram myself not to edge myself to death
tall torrent
I think the cleave buff matters more for illisi and assail tbh
tall torrent
Yea im thinking surge transfer peril void with scriers DD until i can deprogram ...
that sounds like the most fun way to play psyker yet unironically
tame lodge
EP Assail
radiant chasm
DD void for crushers bulwarks and maulers, dd assail for everything else
Who needs ep assail
When dd buffs assail more
For a bit less angry bees
tall torrent
illisi + assail + cleave talent + Scrier + DD
radiant chasm
(Sorry void staff ruined me)
tall torrent
actually sounds fun
tame lodge
EP buffs the amount of targets Assail can hit before disappearing
tall torrent
Nah my melee is dueling sword
I'm considering perfect strike + bladed momentum for heavy sword on psyker
on that scrier's build
fuck it we ball
radiant chasm
Idk if pstrike will be worth
It’s just cleave
Deathblow is great and so is HT and rampage
lavish token
Deadblow far more worthwhile
radiant chasm
Both are power
tame lodge
But would Peril Cleave take assail's base cleave or extra cleave from EP in consideration 
radiant chasm
I didnt onow assail get extra ep cleave it dont say
It just base damage free charge and no peril cost
tall torrent
Idk if pstrike will be worth
for the meme
tame lodge
Yeah Pygex showed up and said that EP doubles the amount of targets hit by Assail
last parcel
but nothing else
you get the scab bruiser too
tall torrent
shame psyker melee choices would prob still be the same as pre-patch
tame lodge
Still not sure if it means actual cleave though
radiant chasm
Fix ur tooltips
faint beacon
Shit the talent reworks for Psyker are going to enable for more melee aren't they
tall torrent
Shit the talent reworks for Psyker are going to enable for more melee aren't the...
yea no
it's still the same weapons just made stronger
faint beacon
pain
tame lodge
I'm starting to think Assail doesn't really care about cleave
Psykers won't get bolter but they would probably make the Bistol have more cleave than the bolter
Lmfao
tall torrent
Psykers won't get bolter but they would probably make the Bistol have more cleav...
No
austere mica
Does deathspitter work on the activating shot
tall torrent
Does deathspitter work on the activating shot
Wdym
austere mica
If I dump a manstopper dbarrel shell after knifing stuff will the shot benefit from the deathspitter stacks it procs
tall torrent
The shot that stacks up deathspitter only benefits from deathspitter’s existing stacks
austere mica
Was wondering, stuff like this did work from the activating shot in vt2 if I remember
tall torrent
So if u had 0 stacks prior to firing that shot, then u do not benefit
tall torrent
Nah, both barrels
austere mica
I never do that
austere mica
I can count on one hand the amount if times I have reloaded manually in the past week
tall torrent
U don’t need to, double shot is followed by auto reload
U just get to shoot its highest damage shot faster
austere mica
I mean actually loaded a shell into my gun at all
I have been loading by weapon spec exclusively
cosmic needle
i havent played darktide in quite a bit, is there anything i should change about a veteran build? i was using camoflauge last time
austere mica
When was the last time
cosmic needle
um, when the veteran skill tree was changed
umbral parrot
Oh crap, how do i fix this!?
austere mica
um, when the veteran skill tree was changed
Just send your build and we can tweak it if you want
plush oracle
Oh crap, how do i fix this!?
Change two perk flak and maniac
cosmic needle
Just send your build and we can tweak it if you want
i kinda wanna use the bolt pistol, havent used it before
last parcel
Oh crap, how do i fix this!?
unarmoured/maniac for dreg gunner and flamer oneshots
umbral parrot
Oh yea, over Unyielding?
Oh, cool!
Would Elite be enough for Breakpoint
WAIT i have a mod for this.
umbral parrot
Frick!
austere mica
i kinda wanna use the bolt pistol, havent used it before
Bistol is in a weird spot right now with a role identical to revolver but really bad sway and recoil as well as zero cleave (target penetration)
I personally like it
As it enables goofy shit
Like crusher oneshots
cosmic needle
uh is there a way to check crash reports when using mods?
rigid pilot
Yes
cosmic needle
where at? cause switching to my gun crashes my game lol
rigid pilot
The instructions are online
Mod loader page or similar
Search for crash logs darktide mod you'll get it like immediately
last parcel
uh is there a way to check crash reports when using mods?
question 2
https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/#/faqs
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question 2
https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/#/faqs
Do u happen to know a fix for screen-tearing from using DLSS-to-FSR3 frame gen mod on DT
last parcel
Do u happen to know a fix for screen-tearing from using DLSS-to-FSR3 frame gen m...
sorry, never used it
cosmic needle
okay yeah my game crashes when i switch weapons
tall torrent
sorry, never used it
last parcel
okay yeah my game crashes when i switch weapons
just a hunch, but have you updated crosshair remap continued and extended weapon customization (assuming you use those)
rigid pilot
Do u happen to know a fix for screen-tearing from using DLSS-to-FSR3 frame gen m...
Enable vsync? Just throwing it out there
cosmic needle
just a hunch, but have you updated crosshair remap continued and extended weapon...
crosshair remap might be it
i thought it was weapon customization tho
but that seemed to be working
tall torrent
Enable vsync? Just throwing it out there <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
frame gen disables v-sync in game
so it's in an either/or situation for me
last parcel
rigid pilot
I'm not sure if you can force it on in the Nvidia/amd display settings
I use lossless scaling and it comes with its own vsync
cosmic needle
just a hunch, but have you updated crosshair remap continued and extended weapon...
holy shit it fixed it you fucking psyker
tall torrent
I'm not sure if you can force it on in the Nvidia/amd display settings
I tried turning on v-sync in Nvidia app & control panel but didn’t work, game still does tear
tall torrent
I use lossless scaling and it comes with its own vsync
What’s that
cosmic needle
lemme download the smaller skill tree mod and ill send my build in and see if yall can help me tweak
this is what ive got
how do you sell weapons again?
tall torrent
Hold X to barter
last parcel
how do you sell weapons again?
select the weapon in the inv
cosmic needle
ah okay
rigid pilot
What’s that
Software being sold on steam, gives framegen/superresolution to game you want
Even old rpgmaker games
trim breach
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Software being sold on steam, gives framegen/superresolution to game you want
Huh
How does it work exactly
cosmic needle
this is what ive got
what should i tweak about this build?
rigid pilot
Black magic
last parcel
this is what ive got
which weapons do you use with it
rigid pilot
It takes your screen and captures it, then returns another image upscaled/framegened
cosmic needle
which weapons do you use with it
im trying out the boltpistol rn
rigid pilot
For any game?
Yea any game from what I used it on
tall torrent
I’m gonna do the unthinkable then
rigid pilot
HD2, sm2, JRPGs, maybe even old flash games
tall torrent
What does that mean
rigid pilot
Literally quadruples your framerate
tall torrent
Like, render the game in 60fps but u play at 240fps?
tall torrent
Ok I’m buying it rn
rigid pilot
It's gonna feel like shit though lmao
tall torrent
Damn I never knew abt this
tall torrent
It's gonna feel like shit though lmao
I mean yea the bigger the discrepancy the weirder it’d feel
last parcel
what should i tweak about this build?
but in general i'd do this
with the circled ones being choose one to get rid of to afford iron will
iron will + tactical awareness do a lot for you
tall torrent
Cuz then it’s just making shit up essentially
rigid pilot
The developer said it's mainly for 60/240 memes
Anything below 60 is probably unplayable
last parcel
gonna upscale my 1fps to 4fps
tall torrent
The developer said it's mainly for 60/240 memes
Do I need it to be running in the background for it to work?
rigid pilot
Do I need it to be running in the background for it to work?
Yea there's a shortcut cntr+alt+S
tall torrent
Anything below 60 is probably unplayable
As in like, if the game natively runs <60fps, it’ll be bad?
rigid pilot
You will scale/unscale your current game
rigid pilot
As in like, if the game natively runs <60fps, it’ll be bad?
Input lag will be crazy, artifacts galore etc
tall torrent
Yea there's a shortcut cntr+alt+S
Ok so it needs to be running in the background
rigid pilot
But so far I use on x2 darktide
tall torrent
What about CPU / GPU usage
rigid pilot
And HD2 sm2 etc
Not too sure about that
If you use HDR there will be a hit to performance
But HDR and darktide lol,lmao
tall torrent
If I turn it on, it’ll apply to everything on my screen right
I can’t set it to work only for specific softwares
tall torrent
What frame gen should I use
LSFG 2.3 or 1.1
rigid pilot
So you can alt tab and it won't just framegen your other stuff
2.3
Scaling on the left side I changed to manual and set it at around 1.2(dlss quality)
1.5 is like dlss performances
tall torrent
Ok
cosmic needle
can i still use the assault shotgun on veteran?
last parcel
can i still use the assault shotgun on veteran?
yeah, it's really fun with weapon specialist and its always prepared subnode
tall torrent
1.5 is like dlss performances
Dm I might need some help
cosmic needle
yeah, it's really fun with weapon specialist and its always prepared subnode
would i have to switch off the marking special ability?
austere mica
Exposing your non-Newtonian death cone to the pox horde every 3 kills is great
Getting a 25 kill collateral with 1 shell is good shit
And it means you can run knife
last parcel
would i have to switch off the marking special ability?
if you mean executioner's stance, yes. executioner's stance + weapon specialist + shotgun is not very synergistic
and if you mean focus target, yes because keystones are mutually exclusive
austere mica
Infil works well
Full right side is very nice, smokes are important when you have a shotgun
cosmic needle
anyone have a build for it?
last parcel
i run infil with shotgun and chainaxe, call it the suprise butt secks build
last parcel
anyone have a build for it?
i left 4 points for you to play with
cosmic needle
i left 4 points for you to play with
can i use it with other weapons, cant get the shotgun on vet yet ;~;
faint beacon
Is this a DB build?
last parcel
Is this a DB build?
yes
faint beacon
Melee being paired with it?
faint beacon
hows this for chainaxe?
Change specialist to Flak and unironically have a really good one
Itemization can make it even better
last parcel
can i use it with other weapons, cant get the shotgun on vet yet ;~;
you can but may need to move around some points depending on what you use specifically
last parcel
also what does db mean?
double barrel. ironhelm assault shotgun
as opposed to the 3 combat shotguns
cosmic needle
is the shockmaul any good? what about the newer chainaxe?
last parcel
is the shockmaul any good? what about the newer chainaxe?
shockmauls are good generalist tools
chainaxe XII works. chainaxe IV feels better imo outside of meme boss damage builds
cosmic needle
i left 4 points for you to play with
trying to figure out what to put the 4 points in
austere mica
trying to figure out what to put the 4 points in
Fully loaded and superiority complex
last parcel
trying to figure out what to put the 4 points in
this is a safe investment
cosmic needle
Fully loaded and superiority complex
where is that?
faint beacon
Fully loaded and superiority complex
What I was thinking
Yeah
That
Far left tree
austere mica
Mine doesn’t go as far down bottom middle as to reach rending strikes but it takes grenade regen and field improv instead
Mostly because rending strikes falls in the face of uncanny
cosmic needle
how does one use this build proper? i never really used stealth
austere mica
Use it for objectives, wherever you’re getting beamed by gunners or jumped by crushers/ragers
Or for revives
I personally take the revive node over extra grenade
Because what the hell am I doing with a 4th smoke
faint beacon
It gives you toughness also
somber axle
Think of it as a repositioning tool too! If you're caught in a bad spot you can just leave and engage from a better angle
faint beacon
So if you’re getting shot and toughness is about to break just use it
somber axle
Like if you get caught in the center of a Rager reunion from both sides in a narrow hallway
austere mica
It’s 10 whole seconds of uninterrupted violence once you get out of stealth as well
Low profile goes brrr
cosmic needle
i got a 48% damage roll on my shotgun, i cry
somber axle
It is your get out of jail free card that can also get someone else out of jail free if you need to pull off a revive during a fight
cosmic needle
im all out of MUNEE
somber axle
Also you can use Low Profile proactively to deal with threats focused on others too
cosmic needle
im guessing double barrel is for nuking elites in stealth?
austere mica
Shotgun also has theoretically infinite cleave if built right so just stab like 3 things and dump a shell into clumps of anything except carapace
Puts a shotgun shaped hole in the horde
cosmic needle
was chainaxe buffed?
faint beacon
was chainaxe buffed?
Soon
But uh yeah it did receive a buff
You don’t get locked into committing to chain rip motions anymore
Dodging pulls you out of them
But the upcoming update they’re getting a mobility buff
unreal bone
what's new in the darktide shop
last parcel
what's new in the darktide shop
#darktide-driptide message
i think the helbore skin and one of the chests (?) are the only new things
umbral scaffold
https://tenor.com/view/sand-eat-eat-sand-yummy-gif-20549525
me when god accidentally drops the hourglass of time and i want to absorb the knowledge that mankind has accumulated throughout its history
faint beacon
It tastes bitter but the sheer knowledge is worth it
I can now argue with Redditors online and win the argument by default
faint beacon
True
Usually simply saying
Yeah I don’t use Reddit though
And you just immediately win
cosmic needle
is shock maul worth it on the infiltrator build?
woeful ibex
yeah
last parcel
also what do i run for curios?
main thing is to get >200 hp and 1 sniper resist, then the rest is personal pref
last parcel
vibes are key
cosmic needle
wait what?
austere mica
um do i need to get more wound?
No
Just run 2 wounds standard
It’s enough
Play vt2 and it’s all you get
last parcel
wait what?
wounds mean you can go down more. going down >2 times before a medicae is bad. it's better for you to learn what's killing you and prevent it instead of going down all the time and hoping you get carried
many wipes happen when someone goes down and things spiral out of control
austere mica
Also +17% toughness tends to be better than +1 down, prevention is key
Stuff that prevents you from downing instead of making downing less bad tends to be better
Unless you’re playing martyrdom
Then fuck it we ball 7 wounds
austere mica
Did you get stanned or is there some meaning to your name
last parcel
stanned
austere mica
Same
last parcel
i didn't even know your original name until like a week ago
i think i've only seen the stannified version
last parcel
cosmic needle
how to i make melee specialist reload my guns?
austere mica
The secondary node Always Prepared
last parcel
how to i make melee specialist reload my guns?
that's this one
austere mica
It rounds up btw
last parcel
stab someone --> pull out gun --> bullet inside big poggers
cosmic needle
stab someone --> pull out gun --> bullet inside big poggers
but using hammert
austere mica
1 kill loads 1 shell despite restoring only 3.3% of mag
last parcel
ok
bonk someone dead --> pull out gun --> bullet inside big poggers
austere mica
On dbarrel
I can count the number of times I have reloaded manually this week on one hand
cosmic needle
I can count the number of times I have reloaded manually this week on one hand
good cause god i hate getting my reload canceled
austere mica
The gameplay loop of weapon spec double barrel is just
Kill 3 things
Introduce a physics class shotgun to the enemy
Repeat
austere mica
You want a mobility dump
last parcel
you could've just said 'mobility past 51' but yeah
austere mica
Like every other weapon
austere mica
you could've just said 'mobility past 51' but yeah
My mobility 49 hs7
I will have justice
austere mica
I am going to have the best set of knives in vet
A godrolled mk3 and mk6
The mk3 has smackdown stuck on and the mk6 has t3 blessings and 35% mobility
tall torrent
My mobility 49 hs7
heavy sword doesn't even have mobility roll
last parcel
yeah but they're technically different stats so 
thorn lark
yeah but fatshark: what if we had impact and stagger?
slow sky
good cause god i hate getting my reload canceled
i use a similar build to the one they were recommending, i just use different top nodes, kraks (i hate smokes), and voc instead
both work equally as well but this is just what i use, the only difference between the two realistically in game is mine is a "get stuck in" build vs infiltrate having better repositioning on the fly
can also work with knife if you trade one of the "nice to have but not needed" nodes for the bleed talent for mercy killer synergy
i am also in a perpetual state of swapping close dmg on ability and elite damage because i cant make up my FUCKING MIND
slow sky
i cant play without zealot tree and WS
we've been spoiled
earnest bone
earnest bone
25% attack speed + finesse stuff
https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-kermit-kermit-meme-kermit-water-kermit-waterfall-gif-24226895
slow sky
25% attack speed + finesse stuff
vet reaching raw elite 1 shot breakpoints on knife heavy with no conditional buffs vs zealot not doing that
so fucked
hello itemization update
give me my +1 dodge
earnest bone
vet reaching raw elite 1 shot breakpoints on knife heavy with no conditional buf...
same goes even for light rashad swings with that +30% weakpoint damage, Agile/other melee boosts and even finesse boosts come in handy vs crushers and maulers and unyelding, rashad headshot heavy crit hit like a truck vs crusher
earnest bone
hello itemization update
give me my +1 dodge
would be funny if old weapons wont receive
bonus stats for 380 growth
slow sky
would be funny if old weapons wont receive
would be funny if i splatter my brains across the walls of fatsharks devs studio
earnest bone
would be funny if i splatter my brains across the walls of fatsharks devs studio
it will take you years to find which island they occupy right now for vacation
earnest bone
Yeah, so far this is questionable and i never saw if this was adressed directly
only the fact that you keep the old weapons "as is"
slow sky
earnest bone
so i missed this
slow sky
i dont see why existing weapons wouldnt be able to
earnest bone
but didnt they also say that "expertise" weapons are different from brunt weapons
slow sky
wdym
earnest bone
aka cant be upgraded, but this quote goes against that
so its fine i guess
i have like 900 weapons in my inventory
will take me weeks to sort that
but with casino remaining only for base stats will significantly improve the life of new players
unless some hardcore nerd will try to go for something like 80-80-80-80-60
good luck with that
old peak
i use a similar build to the one they were recommending, i just use different to...
would you mind if I asked what song was playing in the background
earnest bone
i use a similar build to the one they were recommending, i just use different to...
reminder to myself to create some shovels after update
uncut pebble
unless some hardcore nerd will try to go for something like 80-80-80-80-60
Don't call me out like that.
earnest bone
uncut pebble
I am power sword columnus gaming for the easy aurics.
7 more without dying remain.
My alt f4 is the speediest there is.
earnest bone
i still got that gut feeling that they will introduce a level 35 cap update, two new difficulties and item level 480 (all stats 100) somewhere in 2030
uncut pebble
Would make build diversity far easier because then you have the points to do the worm.
Smokes with survivalist and voc.
junior needle
New class or riot
old peak
https://open.spotify.com/track/2hsIDH1ylP1U7DjwipAr5I?si=98a5fb1ca4eb4ab5
thank you
junior needle
Go ahead. Riot.
pseudo fiber
but didnt they also say that "expertise" weapons are different from brunt weapon...
Expertise (or whatever its been renamed to) are different on a weapon by weapon basis.
For example you could get 2 chainswords with
60 damage
80 finesse
80 shredder
60 mobility
80 penetration
And on will be upgradeable to
80 damage
80 finesse
80 shredder
60 mobility
80 penetration
And the other to say
75 damage
80 finesse
80 shredder
65 mobility
80 penetration
And they tell you this before hand
uncut pebble
It's based on current stat distrubtion, apparently, so if you had 60 in both damage and mobility, it would likely increase them both to 70.
Hopefully most of us are right and having a really low dump will guarantee the rest of the stats get to 80 with the dump being 60.
Like, I pulled a plasma gun with a 20 something % charge rate in hope that it caps out at 60.
pseudo fiber
Thjs one system is the most "play with it to understand." System in this game.
uncut pebble
Yeah.
In other news, I HATE TRAUMA USERS.
This guy just ledged me with a barrel using his stupid staff because he didn't trust my power sword to kill 4 poxwalkers.
Now I gotta start untouchable operative over again.
pseudo fiber
He's got rending shockwave he's gotta brittle those poxwalkers
You should be thanking the psyker.
uncut pebble
I should be skinning him alive.
little solar
In other news, I HATE TRAUMA USERS.
I beg your pardon
uncut pebble
You are Trauma, not a trauma user.
little solar
you can still hate me if you want to ❤️
uncut pebble
Nah, there's only one person in this server that has irritated me to the point of actually disliking them.
little solar
Hadron
prisma pebble
any builds for vet with the energy/plasma range weapon ?
pseudo fiber
any builds for vet with the energy/plasma range weapon ?
Survivalist, shredder frags, voice of command, focus target. Melee of your choice you win the video game
weary tundra
got a recon vid and ive been trying to put infernus on it but cant did they change that?
if so wut would be the best blessings to put on the recon vid now?
uncut pebble
This is kind of a stupid question, but somebody needs to ask it. Do you have infernus unlocked? And have you already modified your recon twice?
weary tundra
This is kind of a stupid question, but somebody needs to ask it. Do you have inf...
yes i do got it unlocked and no i have not modified it twice yet
uncut pebble
Alright, now here's stupid question #2, do you have the materials to modify it?
weary tundra
yes
uncut pebble
Some people forget reblessing needs dockets.
Then... I'm not sure.
Infernus should be able to go on it.
weary tundra
ayt wait its not appearing in the blessing screens for options either
i do have the option to rebless to smt else just not the infernus i have in stock for my reg lazgun
uncut pebble
There it is!
Recon and infantry lasguns are different families of weapon.
The blessings don't transfer.
You have to get a recon with infernus first.
weary tundra
ah ty
uncut pebble
Anytime.
marble mantle
Nah, there's only one person in this server that has irritated me to the point o...
NOT ME
uncut pebble
No, not you, Hug.
marble mantle
prisma palm
Could I get anyone to help with the on overwatch penance
red robin
Nah, there's only one person in this server that has irritated me to the point o...
Also, how’s the parry timing with the devils claw in missions?
Is there any latency to miss the 0.2 window?
Or is it pretty solid
crude fiber
Parry is good, only things that latency fucks me over with is dodges. Haven't had problems with parrying. Plus if you time it well you can parry crusher and maulers overheads. Even if you time it poorly it'll just break your guard and not deal any damage to you
red robin
I see I see
uncut pebble
Also, how’s the parry timing with the devils claw in missions?
Very generous. Even when you start to put the sword down, a parry can proc.
frank ether
Nah, there's only one person in this server that has irritated me to the point o...
me me me
uncut pebble
No vet chat regular is that person.
frank ether
I blocked a few from general chat in the past
lavish token
Nah, there's only one person in this server that has irritated me to the point o...
Cat pfp dude
I have half the active people in vc permanently muted
hot whale
Nah, there's only one person in this server that has irritated me to the point o...
🙉
Please let it be me