veteran-class

[red robin]

volley fire makes the double barrel spread really tight, with dead shot it becomes a tiny circle

insanity

the damage falloff makes it not matter nvm

[last parcel]

fem professional uses traxis 12. i haven't isolated which enemy or if it's a group but i've only noticed it when fighting bulwarks

[frigid swallow]

so what are your guys' thoughts on the Cadian outfit in the current rotation? Debatin if I should get it honestly lol

[tall torrent]

oh

hmm

[terse idol]

Isn't this the same Female Vet as the Loose cannon?

For male?

(If so, iirc the male LC also says Traxis 12, like it's an actual code, it's not)

[faint beacon]

Traxis 12 is called out by LC

Male LC

On Bulwarks

[tall torrent]

yea those are listed below

[last parcel]

yeah he has the "traxis... 12? Y-YEAH! TRAXIS 12!" line but iirc it's for the wrong enemy

[tall torrent]

nah this is female professional
female LC is different

[last parcel]

to torment you specifically

maybe something you said

[faint beacon]

C-19 Smoke

Or as LC Says

[last parcel]

c-19 alpha smoke

[faint beacon]

C THINGY THINGY SMOKE

I’m glad I’m not the only one

Who has this issue

People say skill issue to that btw

Get punished for doing it btw

It’s so dumb bro

Use these or die

Gameplay

[radiant chasm]

okay i may be stupid but i can't reemmber exactly

[jaunty tinsel]

in pve you can do some crazy stuff in sm2

[radiant chasm]

does onslaught proc on dots?

[jaunty tinsel]

pvp is just sm1

[tall torrent]

used to, not anymore

[jaunty tinsel]

more soft skills than anything

[radiant chasm]

thanks

time to play more flechette manstopper shotgun

my teammates be like

anyways, i'm going out on a limb and also gonna assume each shotgun pellet does not proc onslaught

[tall torrent]

lv45, give them a break

[tall torrent]

no

it's all single atk instance

[last parcel]

they just like me fr

[radiant chasm]

im not the one going to break em

[terse idol]

I reeallly hate how being on low health literally impossible mode

No health regen, if you don't have medicai stims welp

Like the only possible way to get a little stronger is performing executions but the hormagaunts sometimes just slap your ass abit

Time to main knife

[faint beacon]

If you’re playing right now

Could you check to see if Tactical has the Knife

I literally only play Tactical atm lmao

[terse idol]

Tactical gamersss

[faint beacon]

The GL Bolter?

Or literally a GL

Cause I’ve been stuck on Heavy Bolt Rifle

Also what sucks is if you’re sprinting at all with CS you do the stupid twirl that doesn’t help at all

[muted gorge]

executioners stance on vent purge is so goated

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/true-feel-that-thats-true-gif-7410050725709839510

[outer lance]

yo i wanna get that one helmet with the rebreather but idk wtf "hestia's blessings" is, does anyone know

[pseudo fiber]

It's the penance system

that helmet in particular is from the path of redemption, the little level up track at the bottom

[outer lance]

oh alr thanks

[tranquil bronze]

Still waiting on proper scion armor

[austere mica]

I want more homeless fits

[unique orchid]

I want a vostroyan fit

[faint beacon]

Eventually

[faint beacon]

They ever add it force yourself to pick up heavy swords on Veteran

[unique orchid]

Im going to at least give them a try when UnL drop

[faint beacon]

Dead serious I already played it on Zealot the 9 is super easy to pick up

Try the IX

Literally light one Heavy spam

Oh yeah forgot Path already has this on standby lmao

[last parcel]

VII users flicking their wrist to turn the diagonal slash horizontal

IX users spamming heby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f64XgfaLWS4

[tall torrent]

the talent recommendation are for veteran tho

[faint beacon]

True

[tame lodge]

Mk6 still winning 🗣️

[pseudo fiber]

Noice.
Thank you melk.

[tawny badger]

infested enemies 💀💀💀

[serene bough]

Those pox hounds ain't gonna know what hittem

[tawny badger]

pack hounds when they see the +25% damage (infested enemies) boltgun

[pseudo fiber]

Listen it was this weak spot damahe leave me be

[serene bough]

You must forever feel bad about this decision

You will know no peace

[sinful swallow]

Forever (16 days)

[pseudo fiber]

Those locks never going away. I'll be stuck with infested damage foreverrrr

[faint beacon]

Damn those poxwalkers will really regret walking towards you

[pseudo fiber]

With the buff from 0.9 infested damage to 1.0 they better!

But also I'll switch to unarmoured when the update comes out and sit happy on my god roll bolter

[trim steppe]

Man I love seeing 4 digit plasteel after a mission

[tawny badger]

I wish I had plasteel

[pseudo fiber]

1100 plasteel on the tab screen

Ooooh no better feeling

[random tulip]

wat in the

[trim steppe]

I feel prepared for patch day but I still anticipate going fully broke rerolling everything I own

I wonder what the resource economy will be like

[last parcel]

it's all diamantine

[trim steppe]

Good I can finally spend my 77k on something, anything

Tho once I run out I may change my tune lol

Hopefully diamantine doesnt re-become the resource bottleneck

[marble mantle]

I can’t imagine it will, considering plasteel will still have high value in applying and upgrading

[tame lodge]

Bolter will receive infested buff anyways

He's just 2 steps ahead

[tranquil bronze]

What are the recommended perks for Kantrael again?

Flak and maniac?

[unique orchid]

Speaking of infested, im surprised the plague ogryn isnt considered infested armor

I understand being consistent, but i figured it would be an exception

[unique orchid]

S'what I run

[tranquil bronze]

Gotcha thanks. Just building a list so I can prepare for the 26th.

[faint beacon]

Unyielding seeing ogryn/monstrosities (minus Traitor Captains) share this for some reason

[unique orchid]

Traitor caps arent unyielding? Whatre they then flak armor?

[austere mica]

What enemy

[last parcel]

the people at the end of assassination missions who die in 15 seconds

[austere mica]

Oh I thought he meant helmets

[unique orchid]

Or wipe you in 15

Plasma pistol moment

[tame lodge]

My info also tells me they take 2x melee damage

[tawny badger]

traitor captains- those boss dudes with the energy shields in the assassination missions

I think they’re flak

[unique orchid]

I think thats only their refractor field

[slow sky]

ok so why did i never know how fucking fast the standard issue shovel swung
this is insane

[austere mica]

Yeah its fast

Stunlocks ragers with heavy

[slow sky]

teehee

[tawny badger]

bro thinks he’s soldier tf2

[last parcel]

perfect for serrated blade + exploit weakness

[slow sky]

wouldnt you want uncanny on it anyway

[last parcel]

yeah i was shitposting

[oblique totem]

Not surprising

[slow sky]

i assume like the other shovels the impact is enough to justify skullcrusher over decimator right

[last parcel]

i'm biased because i swing my shovel like a monkey and end up resetting my decimator stacks too often

[midnight totem]

No risk no reward

[slow sky]

havent decided on what the other perk should be, cara or unyield

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kentucky-fried-movie-take-him-to-detroit-david-zucker-jerry-zucker-gif-17906787

[tawny badger]

the heavy sound effect is just too good

clonk

clonk

clonk

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-bonk-gif-24279189

[lucid hinge]

this gif looks so scuffed

[tawny badger]

aw hell nah who beatin the fuck outta spinchburb 💀

[unique orchid]

Its because you never asked ME, john guardsman, famously noted for my combat shovel and ilas

[crude fiber]

anyone know what the silly lethal proximity grenade spam build was?

[lavish token]

Uncanny decimator

[slow sky]

decimator over skullcrusher for bosses or something?

im able to reliably get skullcrusher off against everything short of them

[lavish token]

Ye

[slow sky]

i think i still like skullcrusher over it anyway

cuz it is stupidly potent against everything else

and its not entirely wasted against bosses, not when this build has voc and kraks

very reliable staggers

holy fucking shit

[last parcel]

lethal prox + run n gun, elite + maniac on bistol
#veteran-class message

[slow sky]

i just had 2 memorly leak hard crashes within the same minute

any jump cut is a hard crash since this is from steams recording
this is just after a desync disconnect so im literally typing out "if i leave again ive dced" so they know not to finish the mission till i reconnect

i join back to a clutch situation and crash again immediately

oh the video is fucked too

[slow sky]

ends with another memory leak crash
god the game was open for literally less than 2 minutes

how does it have a SECOND MEMORY LEAK CRASH

[last parcel]

hehe memowy go weaky :3

[jaunty spindle]

Difference between power swords?

[slow sky]

literally the game was lost cuz i was constantly crashing or dcing when they needed me most

oh my GOD

ANOTHER MEMORY LEAK CRASH

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

[crude fiber]

does bleed DOT take the ADM of your current equipped weapon or is its own thing

[slow sky]

bleed has its own adm
it is affected by the perks and blessings of your current weapon tho

certain blessings dont tho, namely some power ones
just assume those dont affect it cuz whether it does is arbitrary

tbh

[crude fiber]

but having rending from uncanny does effect it for some reason right?

[slow sky]

rending does

yes

[slow sky]

movesets

[last parcel]

mk3 clears with heavies
mk6 clears with lights and has a high damage single target push attack
mk6 is generally considered the better one for reason i cba

[slow sky]

mk3 has a much simpler moveset with better heavy attacks for just charge spamming
but the mk6 has an insane single target combo with the push attack being a stab then a light overhead followup

which is enough to kill crushers when charged

[slow sky]

im rebooting this shitty pc

theres no fucking reason why my game should be running out of memory from this memory leak in 2 minutes all of a sudden

[marble mantle]

That what happen when I learn a new number. Forget oldest number.

[faint beacon]

@slow sky You just not verify your files or something?

Or did you and its just insisting on crashing anyways cause this is a certified Shartshark moment

[slow sky]

oh and there it goes again

i can try verifying files but like
it literally started to do this randomly after running fine

also do you mean verify in the launcher or via steam @faint beacon

[faint beacon]

I've yet to have the issue

Launcher

I had it pop up once I came home and just went

eehhhh may as well

and I've yet to have any issues

[slow sky]

for me it only ever pops up when hotfixes happen and i have mods enabled

[faint beacon]

Probably try through steam then

cause IIRC its similar

[abstract flare]

Which lasgun would you guys recommend

[marble mantle]

What the fuck is next to your name

[abstract flare]

A blade and sorcery guild

[marble mantle]

Oh

I liked the recon lasguns

I liked 2 a lot just because it felt very good to hip fire

[abstract flare]

I'll give it a go

[tropic notch]

What knife do y’all think that’s the best?

[austere mica]

I prefer the mk6 due to its versatility and it’s harder to miss the heavies

[red robin]

damn

turns out my support las pistol build does way better with 256 toughness + 50 bonus

[tropic notch]

What da hell

The vetgyrn

[spring spindle]

Of all the classes. Going into the right side of the tree at the end of the trees to get weapon specialist makes Vet feel natural to play

Of all classes it just feels the most passive and it scratches a certain itch

[sharp epoch]

just did a melee only malestrom with only 2 ppl

[stiff glacier]

I have started to enjoy exec stance with lasgun considerably

Just need to fit tagging keystone in there

[pastel yew]

falling to the dark side

all my homies love exec stance

it receives way too much hate for what it is

[slow sky]

getting really annoyed at how often the shovel stab doesnt stun things when it should

such as hitting a mutant or rager in the head and they just dont care

[severe gale]

mk6 as a primary weapon, mk3 as a supplement to your ranged

[grand perch]

is true

[frank monolith]

I found a fix and that is restarting my pc

[slow sky]

that didnt help this issue, it was powerdi data taking up a gig lmao

[frank monolith]

For me it works since mine would freeze and the enemies would start to moonwalk and phase through walls then ill get dc to character selection eith reconnect button. When i restarted my pc and it just freezes and doesnt dc me

||and i still have power di on||

[red robin]

man

imagine how insane this world would be

if the las pistol had deadly accurate

[trim steppe]

🔥

[last parcel]

aw cmon it can't possibly have dumped that much da-
oh

[red robin]

damnn

does skullcrusher still amplify bleed stacks from frag grenade stagger?

[red robin]

wtf

having limbsplitter active amps bleed big time

wtf

[grand perch]

Bleed is affected by lots of things, I'm not surprised

[austere mica]

Too bad limbsplitter is a dead blessing

[red robin]

lmao

[fiery ingot]

Where's me long-las, fatshark? Where the frag is it?

[red robin]

it might fuck with the bolt pistol LP blast radius grenades

[austere mica]

You need the pistol in hand for the LP interaction

Can’t have both at once

[grand perch]

I think path mentioned you don't need the pistol out yesterday

[uncut pebble]

Backup proved me wrong on this, iirc.

Don't need the pistol in hand.

[austere mica]

Oh neat

That’s fair and balanced

[uncut pebble]

I also thought you'd need to be holding it, tbf.

[red robin]

demoman build stay winning

[grand perch]

#veteran-class message

[grand perch]

So was I

[slow sky]

this was a normal board damn mael
what the fuck is this shovel dude

[uncut pebble]

I should get an SI shovel..

[pseudo fiber]

SI shovel is so good

[severe gale]

si?

oh

standard issue

[grand perch]

Never doubt the bonk

[flint lake]

plasma gun with shredder grenades

this is entirely expected

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent aon taxe still valid

cannot wait for the new blessings

[proud marsh]

every time I run into a veteran named 'harken' or 'dickot' I am driven closer to madness

[red robin]

wtf

does 25% vs damage type amplify bleed damage also?

[slow sky]

if youre holding the weapon with it, yes

[red robin]

wtf

[slow sky]

bleed can also inherit rending too

from things like uncanny strike

[red robin]

so if i wanted my grenades to fuck?

flak, elite or unarmored?

[slow sky]

i mean flak is never a bad choice cuz that covers a large majority of enemies

not just for that interaction, but in general

[uncut pebble]

Bleed, I'm pretty sure, bases its armor damage off the targets body.

So flak and unarmored is gonna be best across all the enemies in the game, if you're just using it for a stat stick.

[red robin]

isee

wtf

so opportunist abuses it

staggered enemies take 25% more rending

the grenade staggers and does more damage

[junior needle]

What is opportunist?

[red robin]

the shock mace

it causes staggered enemies to take 25% rending

[junior needle]

Not seeing it on gameslantern, is it going to be added?

[red robin]

ooo

check shock mauls?

[frank basin]

You never met one named John Darktide

[odd sparrow]

Reminds of actually meeting a john helldiver

[dreamy spade]

How op is lighting reflex

[junior needle]

[red robin]

wild wold we live in

world*

[junior needle]

In theory it should apply to status effects while you have the weapon out

But applying them is a problem with a maul

And only while they're staggered

[red robin]

I'm just thinking abt the grenade build

where it staggers and the rending increase makes the bleed do more

tbh i think i just have a good melee instead

and put executioner on the bolt pistol

Lethal Proximity increases explosion radius by 25%, stacking with grenade tinkerer, and executioner makes staggered enemies take 25% more damage

20% my bad

[proud marsh]

I met a Yevgeny Prigogryn once

He used the russian accented voice type, funniest shit ever lmao

[plain drift]

https://tenor.com/view/ninersunited-elmo-idk-i-don't-know-who-cares-gif-11214577264606578545

[frank basin]

i like the bully type

"don't warry, a'll protek"

[lusty sapphire]

A lot of things like that. If you have uncanny up it also boosts bleed dmg

[trim lantern]

Wait - does this mean 400 is the implied "maximum base stat total?"

As in - a Profane Weapon can go up to 400, AT MOST

I stg, I remember getting rolls like that before... 0_0

Some of my favorite weapons have 500+ Power!

(Upgraded, ofc)

[midnight totem]

https://imgflip.com/i/934neo

[trim lantern]

"In the name of the Emperor... this Heldrake empty! YEET!"

[toxic leaf]

im gonna be honest, playing sm2 makes me want to play darktide even more

there's just more...killing

nothing tops cadian vet turning heretics into red mist and saying, every kill is a prayer for the dead

[somber axle]

Space Marine 2 has put into perspective how crazy the Tyranids are and how seemingly helpless even some of the best Regiments can be at trying to do anything but slow them down

[delicate hornet]

tyranids directly benefit from the AM's human wave tactics so theyre in a doomed battle from the start

[old prism]

brother, bring me the melta gun. The HEAVY melta gun (multimelta my beloved).

[idle swallow]

yeah turns out trying to overwhelm with sheer numbers an enemy that can direct convert losses on either side to supplies and fresh troops isn't the best battle plan

[sinful swallow]

Even demons look at Tyranids and say "nah"

[somber axle]

Even as silly as Atoma looks from the Nurgle infestation it's still much more manageable than what the Tyranids are up to LOL

[sleek garden]

I want it

[crude fiber]

Played a melee maelstrom last night with grenade build with an uncanny shovel and was clearing entire elite hoards with it, crushers, maulers, everything

[proud marsh]

Yeah, makes me think that if the flood ever slipped kalpas and ended up in 40k shit would be wraps for the Imperium in about a week

[subtle bolt]

Hey guys. I have a recon las and chain axe build I'm pretty happy with on malice

But I'm not sure what my curios should look like

[heavy rover]

Depends on what you want to build out of it

for example, on my recon build I use the Deadshot talent, so all of my curios are +3 stamina to maximize it

it's also very ammo efficient thanks to shocktrooper and headhunter. So I just hand ammo crates to my teammtes instead

Plus target down and focused fire keystone modifiers to replenish stamina in the middle of a fight

On the other hand, if you build your recon lasgun with something like Onslaught, you can probably run toughness curious for better survivability if you get caught in the middle of a mixed horde, since it'd be good to save the ammo for tougher enemies like crushers, bosses, or any ranged enemy

[trim breach]

||too bad its on my psyker ||

[silent magnet]

Just realized the rifles in starship troopers look like the Accatran

[faint beacon]

I’m going to scream

I’m sorry I just like hand rail designs but I believe the got it from the Carry handle ARs back in the 60’s-70’s

[austere pine]

how's this gun?

[undone ravine]

Am i hallucinating that the newer shovels have slower heavy attacks?

[last parcel]

can’t shoot 0/10

[austere pine]

tossable

[tame lodge]

But yeah, low finesse

1 good blessing

You can try using Decap to make up for the low finesse
Woops smite/Purg psyker

Woops Kickback/Rumbler Ogryn

[oblique totem]

Needs more ammo.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-bullets-gif-6493979152995335147

[oblique totem]

Were you just waiting to use that?

[faint beacon]

Backup is always waiting to use shit like that

[oblique totem]

BAKE UH7, I guess.

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1082792922258362368/ezgif-4-07a415a73f.gif

[civic knot]

Are powerswords worse to use since the latest patch that affected them?

[tame lodge]

They went from S++ tier to S+

[faint beacon]

Solid best in the game to

Still best in the game

[orchid hemlock]

I still have my Rashad 😔

[civic knot]

what they change to nerf them?

[tame lodge]

I don't really remember

Something something charging is part of the combo

[faint beacon]

Oh that

[tame lodge]

Not noticeable on the mk3

[faint beacon]

Heavy swing

Charge

[silent magnet]

Yeah there’s a wealth of similar looking guns, bullpups are not a new idea. I just noticed that they went with a similar design route

[faint beacon]

Heavy swing will change its combo

[silent magnet]

Didn’t say they based the accatran off starship troopers just said they look the same lol

[faint beacon]

Okay okay we’re good then

Lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Guess the Vet player:

[silent magnet]

The starship troopers are just mini-14’s in a bullpup kit with some movie stuff added

[orchid hemlock]

Same person who thinks uncanny is trash

You all love and know him 😍

[tame lodge]

The worst part is he's not half wrong

💀

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad: B tier

🗿

Chain axe: A tier

[tame lodge]

This list has no mk6 knife?

[austere pine]

look at what milk gave me

[orchid hemlock]

He thinks the MK3 is objectively better

[austere pine]

with how they work, it's subjective as all shit

same damage, same stats, just different movesets

[orchid hemlock]

He thinks the light spam in the MK3 has better wave clear

[tame lodge]

Nah, one has more strikedowns

Not same damage

proceeds to only use push attack on both marks

[red robin]

Push attack knife my beloved

I wanna get a standard shovel with the 60% weakspot on push

[tame lodge]

They did fix take a swing

[red robin]

They did I believe

But I think uncanny and skullbreaker is good on the impale special shovels particularly the MK 7 shovel

[somber axle]

I wonder why he has the Rashad Mk II Combat Axe so low

[red robin]

He values mobility over other stats

[somber axle]

That might explain it LOL

[red robin]

That the knife has better value with max mobility over damage as a dump stat

[lyric dock]

Nice

[red robin]

Solid

[lyric dock]

Always nice to grab any Possible god rolls for the new update

[red robin]

True

Man

I’m hella sold on riposte and precognition on the knife

Can’t wait for the new update so I can troll with 10% weakspot and crit damage perks

Same with my las pistol

15 stacks of marksmen focus kinda makes weakspot and crit damage shine

Damage boost against all mobs if everything crits

112.5% finesse kind of fucks on the accatran las pistol

[idle swallow]

Laspistol is for the professional head clickers

[red robin]

Honestly

With its fire rate

Just aim head range and pop heads

Carpal tunnel simulator tho without fullauto mod

[orchid hemlock]

u r rdy 😔 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[idle swallow]

adeptus nya-startes

[red robin]

That’s a tzeentch chapter if I ever seen one

Bro the chaos god that created sissy hypno to enact his master plan

Make femboy space marines

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-monster-rotfl-gif-14520250

[heavy rover]

I admit, that got a chuckle out of me

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[lucid hinge]

Gotta give em that commissar stare

[fading rivet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cfc5d55-9655-4e59-9bf3-1dbcf7726774/recon-las-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

New player, need advice as I head into Damnation+

[oblique totem]

Is that Commissar Caiphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium?

[uncut pebble]

The only thing I can equate this to is a US DS grinning at you from ear to ear across the chow hall.

[lucid hinge]

The fear

[tame lodge]

Bad blessings

[uncut pebble]

Chainsword wants shred + wrath for the mk13 and unarmored + flak for perks.
Recon wants either headhunter + infernus for faster guaranteed crit strings or dumdum + deathspitter (?) and flak + maniac (?) for perks.
Curios look fine.
I wouldn't do the worm over to survivalist, considering you can take shock trooper and have decent ammo economy no matter what model recon you have. You can keep kraks for the anti armor. I would drop the top left 2 nodes and invest more heavily into nodes at the bottom, as those are significantly more impactful.
Alternatively, because you're using the mk6 recon with onslaught, you can switch to shredder grenades, keep survivalist, and path through voc like normal for optimal horde clear on top of having a solid anti carapace option through your recon.

That second option would also allow you to grab rending strikes and bring it down, if I'm not mistaken, further improving your anti crusher capabilities.

Yeah, just double checked, by switching to shredders you save 1 point and by dropping the 2 top left ones you can afford rending strikes and bring it down.

[fading rivet]

I messed on crafting some gear after I hit 30, so these are 360+ with no alterations yet, still trying to farm some 3/4 tier blessings

[uncut pebble]

The (?) on the recon stuff is because I'm not super versed in recons. I only really mainly use them on psyker and that's just to make up for my abysmal boss damage.

[trim steppe]

Usually T1/T2 blessings are good enough and can always be upgraded later as you find more. The important thing is having any version of hte right blessings

Overall I agree with Frog's assessment, though I too do not often use recons

[fading rivet]

Thanks for the info! I’m still a light spammer in melee as I have some work to do on combos but I feel like my mobility, dodging, and blocking skills have improved much especially for being a console pleb.

[trim steppe]

I've played a lot of this game and I still enjoy melees with light spam so I can braindead my way through hordes. No problem with light spam, you can work on your combos if you want, when you want. Just pick an appropriate weapon for what you want to do

[fading rivet]

I prefer to try to use any lasgun, bolt weapon, or plasma for secondary since it gives more 40k flavor to me. Same with chainswords and power swords just have not found a power cycler yet. And the recon seems the most forgiving for me right now as I’m still learning a bit. The MKII was my favorite for a while but it seems the VId is the more powerful option even if more ammo hungry

[trim steppe]

Chainsword, mk6 powersword, and combat axes are all great for light spamming

[trim steppe]

Yeah the mk6d is the stronger option

I believe the mk2 is the weakest of the 3

[fading rivet]

I used it for a while working on penances with executioners stance, not an ideal setup, but I had quite a lot of fun with it in heresy

[delicate hornet]

if you build the mk6d for crit chance it saves a lot of ammo through shocktrooper

pair it with onslaught and rending strike to shred crushers

[trim steppe]

Yeah putting headhunter and 5% crit perk on the mk6 pairs nicely with shock trooper to save a lot of ammo if you find yourself being ammo hungry

[fading rivet]

I’ve seen some mixed thoughts on rending strikes/onslaught but onslaught feels so good on high rof guns from what I’ve experienced

[delicate hornet]

onslaught is usually preferable from what ive found, but when both are combine on the Mk6d it becomes very good

[trim steppe]

I usually prefer to pick up Trench fighter and Desperado over onslaught, and use my kraks/melee for anti-armor. But onslaught makes sense for a recon build imo

[uncut pebble]

Don't sneeze at the mk2, that's the king of ammo economy.

[delicate hornet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1281733282114961482/Recon_vs_Crusher.mp4?ex=66e2b963&is=66e167e3&hm=317d3c27a6902717661d436d08c897686c7fd58d4b2bfc26bab9b3f5f22bc5f6&

(courtesy of azreal)

[uncut pebble]

You'd be saving significantly more ammo by having a damage vs armor type perk.

Like, even just maniac would mean you take 2-3 shots less to kill most any specialist and a handful less to kill a dreg rager.

That'll save you more ammo than a 5% crit chance boost ever thought of.

[delicate hornet]

5% crit goes crazy on the mk6d

[trim steppe]

Against that armor type, sure. But it depends on how youre playing, what youre shooting. 5% crit is an all-over boost

[analog folio]

what

[terse idol]

For the mk6 recon?

There has been alot of talk and it seems like running head hunter ain't worth it because the damage increase is much smaller

And you have a big enough magazine size that unless you're shooting every horde survivalist will hold you over

I guess like

If you take headhunter you can levy how many ammo tins you have to take

But imo I think there's enough ammo on the entire map that, unless you have 4 vets all shooting, you'll have ammo to grab

It seeeems like just running straight damage is the better option for blessings

If only because saving X amount of shots by killing enemies faster will save you ammo

[fading rivet]

@uncut pebble just testing out your suggestions in the psykhanium rn with dropping the top left 2 nodes, switching to shredder w/survivalist and grabbing rending + bring it down. Have a MKVId with infernus 3 headhunter 3, flak + maniac tier 3 each. Console so no mods, about 1400 DPS on crusher vs approx 900-100 before. Feels better, will miss my kraks though

[uncut pebble]

[red robin]

Do yall think the weapon mastery system will be flat gains based off of difficulty? Or would it take weakspot and critical hits, elites and special kills, and overall damage into account?

For exp gain

[fading rivet]

Should I be using 3 toughness curios or 1 health? I have a 17% toughness I need to upgrade still. Sitting at 195 Toughness and 183 Health. Just want to stay alive and not be burden to teammates in the higher difficulties

[faint beacon]

Probs flat gains

How it’s always been for XP

[red robin]

A man can dream

[faint beacon]

Play harder earn more

[fluid gust]

I'm hoping grims give a multiplier to the mastery xp

Probably won't, but it would be really cool

[red robin]

Lmao, if god is good there will be a quick play bonus for weapon mastery

Maybe 10% experience curio perks will actually see use

[lyric dock]

I won't be surprise if it takes at least 4-5 Damnation missions to max out a weapon family

[red robin]

At least there is some incentive to branch into different weapons

I don’t look forward to the auto pistol

[lyric dock]

At least it is per weapon family

So it won't be that bad thankfully

[red robin]

I’m just hoping the weapons equip level doesn’t neuter the update

550 is said to be obtainable eh?

[lyric dock]

Yep and any weapons we made in the past won't be touched

But their locks will be broken

[red robin]

Nvm

It’s off of difficulty

[lyric dock]

And you don't need to use it

You can just slot in as a backup weapon to a main Melee vet build

[faint beacon]

Auric grinding time 😬

[red robin]

TRUE

[faint beacon]

Just means aurics are permanently miserable now

[serene bough]

aurics are more fun when you have wild cards you need to carry

more chaos

[red robin]

Man I hope in the future curios get blessings similar to traits on vermintide 2

I would kill for increased duration on stims

[terse idol]

Oh thank god

Locks removed from curios

[red robin]

I know that would break the balance of the game, but imagine if they introduced curio blessings with difficulty 6

Nvm auric maelstrom is basically that

[tame lodge]

We are turning the injectable stimm into a hookah and sharing with the team 🗣️

[red robin]

Man imagine if it were to do that or share with the closest teammate

That would hella encourage team play and coordination

My wishlist for a hypothetical curio blessing would be one increasing coherency radius

I need to abuse charismatic further

10%-20% explosion radius would be nutty too

[idle swallow]

If you bring smokes you infuse your kush nades with whatever stim you're carrying while inside the radius

[plain drift]

It had to be done

[idle swallow]

couldn't wait until the crafting update huh

[plain drift]

Tell me more about this mythical crafting update

[fallen plinth]

i made another vet to lvl 22 for it, then the next day i got manstopper in shop 🙃

[idle swallow]

are you /s or actually asking I can't tell

[plain drift]

I am actually asking xd I know we have an update at the end of this month

Is that the one you're talking about?

[idle swallow]

Yeah, every blessing that doesn't have 4 tiers is getting them added so they all have a full set of 4

[plain drift]

ah well

I'm already in too deep

can't stop now

[lyric dock]

#📢news-bulletin message

Good start to look into

[lyric dock]

#📢news-bulletin message

#📢news-bulletin message

And these

[plain drift]

Yeah, well... but you see

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-no-words-speechless-mal-firefly-gif-11786332

[lyric dock]

Let me guess

• Ran out of Dockets to spend at Brunt
• Ran out of Plasteel to spend at Hadron

[plain drift]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[lyric dock]

Sir. We need to check your room....You may be tainted by Heresy

[analog folio]

no!

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[uncut pebble]

Sorry I've been playing tarkov and just got absolutely demolished so I'm taking a break while my pmc heals. Seeing this now. I run 1 of each curio at max strength (17% tough, etc) with 5% toughness, 20% gunner resistance, and 5% hp on all of them.

Probably not the most optimal, but it is what I use.

[orchid hemlock]

pls tell me this doesn't apply to aurics

I can't handle the parasites in auric anymore 😭

[red robin]

Who knows mang

[red robin]

Stamina recovery and ability cd add to survivability also

[lyric dock]

I generally do 3 17% +Toughness with the perks +Toughness, Gunner Resistance, and Ability CD (Or better yet whatever perk I decide to not change from Hadron). Replace 1 of the Toughness for +3 Stamina if I'm running a Deadshot build

[orchid hemlock]

maybe, but I feel like knowing the fundamentals is what is more important than the curios

[red robin]

I run 5% toughness, 12% stamina recovery, and 4% cd on all my 17% toughness curios

[lyric dock]

Remember you have a Melee weapon and you increase your survivability as vet by 50%

[red robin]

Push attack and dodging have so much spacing in melee that you should never take chip damage for hp

HP is good if you want to survive a one shot

[orchid hemlock]

I use 2 HP, 1 tough

[red robin]

Crusher overhead, mauler overhead, sniper blast

Those are the only things I die to

And it only happens when I jump after a dodge

[lyric dock]

Only thing I die to is Getting trapped by a trapper

And that usually applies to all my classes

[red robin]

My fav bit is dodging the trapper but getting body blocked by some random mob

[orchid hemlock]

this is why I run with 2 HP, because all of the toughness in the world wont save u from a burster, overhead, or sniper

[red robin]

I hate to say it, but knife trivializes those

[orchid hemlock]

with 2 HP u can survive 3 of those

[red robin]

I can see power sword needing it

[lyric dock]

Shout is on a trigger finger

Oh no burster!

Anyways

[red robin]

Push and dodge sliding my beloved

[orchid hemlock]

but the extra toughness doesn't provide that saftey in case it does happen

[red robin]

True

[orchid hemlock]

the point of curios is purely defensive

[red robin]

Those moments really get me and make me feel like a liability

[lyric dock]

It prevents any HP damage you take

At least for Burster and sniper

[orchid hemlock]

fatshark never added the offensive stats 😔

[lyric dock]

Crusher is knocked down on their ass or stumbled

[orchid hemlock]

no, only if you overcapped the toughness

burster and sniper ignore toughness

[red robin]

Also I go down when a crusher aims for an ally when I use infiltrate and think I’m untargetable

[orchid hemlock]

this is why VOC is cracked, but book is trash

[lyric dock]

Crushers are the only enemy that never downs my vet unless I get disabled and one is near by

[orchid hemlock]

VOC only gives u a bit of overcapped toughness, which is all you need to prevent getting chipped by HP

the extra toughness Book provides is irrelevant because you will most likley never loose it anyways

[red robin]

My support build has 269 toughness + 50 bonus from shout, I just need the big number to maximize born leader boosted by tunnel vision

[orchid hemlock]

if you have at least 1 point of overcapped toughness you cannot be chipped in your HP

[lyric dock]

It's enough to survive a bad burster encounter. That's all I need it to do

[faint beacon]

I’ve only had downs from them from disables or pox hordes holding me in place whilst they’re already winding an overhead up

[red robin]

I tend to over rely on dodging and exhaust my dodge count

Snails pace slump to get overheaded

Imagine if the 0.25 stamina talents applied to dodge count

It would be busted as fuck on the right tree that’s already strong as fuck in melee

[lyric dock]

I make use of shout and frags to keep crushers CC and then Power sword them if needed or get distance form them and let someone else deal with it

[red robin]

I cannot wait for agile blessing on the MK 5 duelling sword with weapon specialist, 25% dodge range with WS up

15% dodge range vs 13% dodge range knife with 80% mobility

Best thing is that dumped mobility or defence still put the dodge range at 15%

[orchid hemlock]

me dodging with the dueling sword + weapon specialtist buff:

[lyric dock]

Pox walker horde: Puts itself in the perfect place to eat all your dodges

[red robin]

Thing is tho, I realized reciprocity, riposte, and precognition procs more on a low mobility knife than max mobility knife with WS

Because you are dodging so far that the I-frame window trigger doesn’t get proc’d

[faint beacon]

Crusher taking full blown advantage of it and turning your HP into down

[lyric dock]

Crusher: Hold still Nail!

[slow spade]

Just ask nicely to not get attacked c:

[red robin]

I think Uncanny and Agile are probably going to be my pick despite how much I want precognition on the super dodge

[faint beacon]

It’s just how it is sometimes

[uncut pebble]

More like zealouts dodging everything with second wind and IJ with dsmk4.

[faint beacon]

If it’s on vet

You have Recip talent

That and Desperado

WS

like

Exploit fucking weakness

[red robin]

Yeah I know, it’s just those are hard to proc with large dodges

[faint beacon]

DS is going to be fucked on Veteran

[red robin]

You gotta be a little in their attack radius for the buffs to trigger

[orchid hemlock]

literally everyone in the game is going to run dualing swords 😔

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-vibe-gif-24179784

High finesse and dodge is the sweat lords dream

[orchid hemlock]

but for me.....

I see the heavy swords and wonder

[red robin]

I love maxed fov, immersive evasion mod with high camera tilting on dodges and sliding, and high mouse sensitivity to spaz around like a crackhead

Motion sickness simulator

[orchid hemlock]

Blair Witch Project????

[red robin]

Inshallah

[orchid hemlock]

hey guys do you see the witch?????!!?!?!?!

[red robin]

Me on that one part of the clandestium gloriana mission (the one with snow) that just starts fucking shaking my screen for no reason

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1283509783344713738/Screenshot_2024-09-11_152929.png?ex=66e34122&is=66e1efa2&hm=ceef9d0b7149d02a9d27c7688ac4ae9049dcd01b9ef0c05db88388cd503c5351&

New blessing page format

[lyric dock]

It's the celebration you survived the mid point hold out

[oblique totem]

Hah! I Don't study either!

[lyric dock]

We all study in the way of killing Heretics

[oblique totem]

I'm self-taught

[tall torrent]

Guide might exceed 100 pages lol

Blessing section is taking up a lot of pages

[last parcel]

what if you just don’t add them

[tall torrent]

I like to be comprehensive

[last parcel]

yeah i figured

[tall torrent]

After blessings
Curio
Then stagger breakpoints
Then example builds

Then it’s all done

[faint beacon]

Huh…

Might abuse that even with people straight up telling me skill issue

Cause I’m not gonna respect the mechanics till they tweak them cause I’ve gotten punished off of parrying

[heavy rover]

Writing proper testing procedure and documentation for work? I sleep. Vet guide gets updated?

[faint beacon]

We simply await UnL

[umbral granite]

So... I've been messing around with a "No keystone, max-grenade recovery and max shout replenishment" build... Holy crap is it fun.

[red robin]

dude get a bolt pistol with lethal proximity

the increase in explosion radius works even if you don't have it equipped

rn im on the rabbit hole to see which blessings are inherited from your equipped weapon on grenade blasts

so far its the bolt pistols executioner (20% damage vs staggered enemies)

and the shock mauls opportunist (25% rending vs staggered enemies)

[umbral granite]

Dang... and here i've been just roleplaying an angry kreigsman who's shovel and helbore got stolen, so he borrowed a chainsword from his Cadian friend and a slug-shotgun from the local enforcers...

side note: I feel Agripina shotgun is underrated... the slug hits like a revolver shot, and full-bore + no-respite is funny.

Admitedly, the weapon probably isn't top tier, but It's still good.

[somber axle]

Agripina Shotgun slug has funny cleave

Also it is currently the only gun in the game that can stagger a Bulwark with one shot to the shield

[umbral scaffold]

plasma can stager bulwark on heavy

[somber axle]

Boltgun can also technically stagger in one shot but it's not actually one shot and it requires a lot of silliness to reach the impact breakpoint

[somber axle]

You can one shot a Bulwark through their shield without needing to care about staggering but also a while back they buffed Bulwark stagger resistance a bunch so Plasma can't do it very easily

[red robin]

wait

thrust applies to grenade damage

i think

[somber axle]

The one shot is with a funny build using the charged shot but like most people will just bait the swing and spam 2-3 uncharged shots into a Bulwark face instead

[crude fiber]

So I didn't need to try timing having my bistol out while maintaining uncanny stacks

[umbral scaffold]

its so weird that plasma has this amount of cleave but no high damage has it should have

or any kinda of blast

[red robin]

disregard this im stupid

didn't realize i dropped two grenades

[somber axle]

It is kinda silly Plasma has comparatively weak boss damage to a lot of other top Vet guns

[last parcel]

relatable

[umbral scaffold]

yeah ...

really... not ticking my heavy weapom feel checkbox

do not want to use a pistol to kill shit in 1 shot

[oblique totem]

More grenades

[tall torrent]

No

Thrust is M.pwr

[red robin]

i know

i threw two grenades

bad test

but opportunist and executioner apply

[tall torrent]

Only very specific things in this game boost explosive damage

Bleed is not part of “blitz damage”

[red robin]

i see

OOO

[tall torrent]

Bleed damage can be affected by a lot of things

But blitz damage (basically explosive) only benefits from a few things

[red robin]

25% vs damage type on your weapon?

[tall torrent]

That does, yes

Because that’s T.damage

[crude fiber]

Does lethal proximity effect barrels?

[red robin]

no i dont think so

[tall torrent]

No

And thank god it doesn’t

[crude fiber]

The better to ledge your teammates my dear

How's everyone's barrel kill penance looking? I'm around 1300

[radiant chasm]

like

1/5th there

i simply don't care enough if there is a horde or big pack walking by a barrel sure

[tall torrent]

I think I’m at like 1195 lol

[red robin]

@tall torrent would run and guns close damage apply whilst sprinting?

[crude fiber]

Toss some nades and then sprint in circles

[tall torrent]

Well it only applies when you’re sprinting

[red robin]

damnn

it does

[lyric dock]

Last I checked. Just past the 500 kill version of it

[lavish token]

Completed

[lavish token]

what

[umbral scaffold]

Why does it have more anti infantry cababilities over single target like it should be. Why do you what me for.

I just do not like this iteration of the plasma gun. Specifically.

This depiction. Kinda like the melta in sm1 is so bad

[lavish token]

Both should be dramatically nerfed

[umbral scaffold]

Idk i guess ill wait and see in the next update if its not slop

[tame lodge]

Blast? Like explosion? Like charged shots?

[lavish token]

Game breakingly op

[umbral scaffold]

Charged shpuld have a minimum of aoe. And on both not have cleave lol

Clearing a horde with it feels wrong honestly.

Idk how else to pull it

[tall torrent]

Cuz it is

It’s not meant for horde clear in the first place

[crude fiber]

Lies

[merry oak]

when do the cosmetics in the shop cycle again?

[lavish token]

One sec

[marble mantle]

I’m at like 900

I don’t really do it with intention though

[marble mantle]

[crude fiber]

That's insane lmao

Already 50 runs the "new" mission too

[lavish token]

mhm

[lavish token]

I think I was first to do it

[crude fiber]

Do you still play the game regularly? I need a goal when playing a game and penances are all I have left

[lavish token]

yes

[marble mantle]

Your goal is killin hairy tiks sah

Never endin

Your duty is krumpin

Hehehehehe duty

Doodee

[red robin]

holy shit

first time using the block feature

[terse idol]

It's got some of the highest single target damage in the game

[red robin]

some chud was going ape on my team

[vernal harbor]

lol of course its not even an even number

https://tenor.com/view/elphelt-elphelt-valentine-shiggy-wiggy-guilty-gear-dance-gif-103491837482122313

[crude fiber]

only used it a hand full of times myself. people are either pretty chill or don't interact at all

[red robin]

bro was berating the team when he was going down

said he was carrying

i pulled up scoreboard and told him he was bottom fragging

bro had 80k less damage than our ogyrn

ngl tho he was clearing house

ty ogyrn

[umbral scaffold]

Me when the

[red robin]

bro told me he doesn't believe me and that i was lying

and I'm like ok lmao stay delusional

https://tenor.com/view/prince-of-egypt-the-moses-gif-21088026

me when he started shit talking the ogyrn minding his business

[oblique totem]

Leave the Ogryn alone!

[vernal harbor]

Don't try to resolve the situation I'm telling you, just lazily instigate them

These players who even for a second cross the border into taking any of this jank ass game serious should be instantly disregarded

[red robin]

true

[vernal harbor]

You won't change their mind but you can piss them off at least

[red robin]

as i left the game i told the other players that the block feature exists to never match with problematic players again

[vernal harbor]

One time i just kept alt tabbing and pasting line after line of ellie goldings lights lol

[red robin]

and left 🙂

[oblique totem]

Block is a button that works

[red robin]

bro got a good "fuckk you"

[vernal harbor]

That's exactly why I'd say dont do a damn thing, that feature doesnt work

Blocking does dick all

[red robin]

kms

he dont know that

🙂

[vernal harbor]

I've matched with known krak jackers for months

you guys are fucking garbage

[red robin]

me

ngl why does this face model look like willem dafoe

my vet is named Dafoe because of the resemblance I noticed when I made a character in the beta

[oblique totem]

Krak jackers?

[stiff glacier]

Dude turns into fergusson from wolfenstein

[crimson pebble]

@weary peak holy shit

[proud marsh]

veteran named 'Jurgen'

🤢🤢🤢

[weary peak]

best veteran just dropped

[distant girder]

I'd love these in darktide so much!!

The ones we have currently are OK. More cadians please

[midnight mortar]

There's helmets with rebreathers that have visors too.

[trail yoke]

If only we had infantry lasgun with bayonet attachment without having to use a mod

[proud marsh]

How about no?

We have enough cadian gear honestly.

[austere mica]

I want more deep hive fits

We need a ganger rotation

[proud marsh]

When was the last one?

Months at least

[austere mica]

Wait that already exists

Damn

Need to watch for that

[proud marsh]

We had random scrap passed off as ganger attire

we haven't had a dedicated ganger set since the savlar chem dogs dropped last year

[austere mica]

Chem dogs are a regiment

[stiff glacier]

Catachan set is missing

[somber axle]

There's something that was originally labeled Catachan iirc

the very first premium cosmetic set released when the shop started

though they could definitely do another since Cadia has like

3??

[thick kestrel]

good set, the trousers are actually pretty good at slotting into other cosmetic combos :>

tends to be a must have on any combat specialist loadout I'm running

[somber axle]

I'm almost positive this was before they started doing the fun tidbits of lore for "characters"

but I still checked the wiki anyway to see what lore I could dig up

[proud marsh]

uhh

then we have no actual ganger sets

[somber axle]

the set was later released with a change of bandana without the goggles under the name Trooper Ston "Blind Man" Makkar but there's no reference to him being Catachan other than the weapons

[distant girder]

You can never have enough

[topaz lance]

I want Tanith gear. It's overdue from the poll they did.

[proud marsh]

Real

Anything other than bland ass cadians

we need real drip

[shadow basin]

god roll?

[stiff glacier]

Brunt struck rock with it

[frank ether]

I'm so tired of that vet leg piece with the partial chainmail

Idk how they even make money with this same slop reheated over and over again

[severe gale]

what’s the vet page

[woeful ibex]

theres a bug right now that you can preview some cosmetics from different class

[slow sky]

power di damage breakdown to prove that im not crutching on plasma

[severe gale]

thanks pookmeister

[severe gale]

erm bragging much

[slow sky]

[severe gale]

helbore looks cool, and maybe the cranial augment (but that’s for all 3 humans anyway)

that’s it though

[thorn lark]

new drip?

[woeful ibex]

yes

[plain drift]

I just want a full on Medieval Armor

Can you imagine Ogryn with something like this:

[frank ether]

I want to not pay twice for the same assets with minimal changes

[plain drift]

well... you can always not pay for them xd

[delicate hornet]

the psyker legs this drop r literally the penance legs

[frank ether]

If you've asked me the entire cosmetic store needs its own revamp update but from what I'm told its outsourced so good luck with that lol

[delicate hornet]

yeah its definitely shambles in its current state

im not even necessarily opposed to recolours, just make them a reasonable price and available whenever

[frank ether]

I mean I complained and coped about this so much in the past but clearly they are happy with their profit margins

but it makes me think how long can they keep selling the same slop recoloured month after month

like at some point if they just said fuck it and revamped the weapon&skin system, maybe look into customization systems while at it

I don't know what else could breathe life into the game with their current speed of adding content

[delicate hornet]

i mean how popular cosmetic mods like for the drip are, theres at least precedent for them to move to more modular customisation

predatory mtx practices probably r more profitable sadly tho

[frank ether]

To me its insane they don't implement these systems directly into the game and monetize them

I guess the idea is they want to profit from recoloured assets

[delicate hornet]

id attribute the constant slop as a way of making the better cosmetics more desirable so people jump on them when they eventually come up because itll be months until the next good set comes along

[uncut pebble]

They'll eventually figure it out.

I feel like whoever is in charge of their cosmetics department is not going to have a job for much longer, if this keeps up.

Some items are nice and some... blatantly garbage.

[midnight mortar]

I doubt they'd lose their job considering the shop model works well enough that FS hasn't changed it.

[uncut pebble]

Like, there's a bionic eye implant cosmetic that has a sort of turtleneck for zealout, and they recently had a rotation where it was just the eye implant from that cosmetic.

At that point, just sell the bionic eye and have a modular system.

[midnight mortar]

The cosmetics have consistently had QA issues, but that clearly hasn't affected sales.

[proud marsh]

They're literally just the RT legs but reshaded

[uncut pebble]

It's shameful when you consider the amount of work the rest of their people are putting into the game.

[delicate hornet]

60k dockets / a penance OR just under 5$, take ur pick

[proud marsh]

I mean like I have the RT pants, and fatshark literally didn't change a single polygon on that mf

The penance pants have different boots.

[delicate hornet]

RT?

[meager topaz]

Whats the dump stat for the recon lasgun?

[uncut pebble]

Stability.

[delicate hornet]

stability

[meager topaz]

ohhh so this gun is good

[uncut pebble]

They have basically non existent recoil to begin with and suppression affects them very little.

[meager topaz]

so which mk is good for the lasgun?

I mean the recon

[delicate hornet]

ye its a good stat roll, mk 7a is good for horde cleave but the mk 6d is best for dps at the cost of some ammo efficiency

[agile finch]

havent played since they added the bolt pistol, how is it?

[meager topaz]

so how is this?

[delicate hornet]

kinda middle of the pack imo but it has funny interactions with grenades

[agile finch]

can you elaborate on the nades thing?

:o

[fossil basalt]

Lethal Prox increases grenade aoe

[agile finch]

ooh

funny

shredder frag gaming...

[delicate hornet]

u can get shredder radius up to stupid distances its funny

[delicate hornet]

very nice, u can swap infested out for something like flak

[meager topaz]

They said infernos is better

so which one should I replace for infernus

[delicate hornet]

infernus isnt supeer great on the 7a due to its firerate iirc, it also outputs less damage than dumdum+deathspitter on average from what i know

from what u have on it infested is probably doing the least for u overall

either way itll be a good base for when crafting updated drops in a couple weeks

[tame lodge]

Deathspitter good on 7a due to 3 cleave

So it's usable

[tame lodge]

Depending on the blessings it can be a DMR or an utility weapon
Run 'n' Gun with Lethal Proximity for buffing grenades, having your shots explode at close range and the basically instant sprint to fire making the weapon feel good

Then Surgical Deadly Accurate for hitting heads, but you'll have to make that shot count

[agile finch]

similar to the zarona revolv then?

[tame lodge]

No, not similar to the Zarona

You can actually perform anti ranged duty with the Bistol

More ammo to do so

[uncut pebble]

Bolt pistol also has this funny interaction with its bash.

[tame lodge]

More suppression

[uncut pebble]

You can shoot mid bash animation and the bullet will go exactly where the center of your screen is.

So you can bash a gunner or whatever and point blank execute them, commissar style.

[agile finch]

oooh nice

sounds like my kinda gun then

[tame lodge]

The problem is subsequent shots with the Bistol, massive recoil/bugged aim

So if you're going Surgical Deadly Accurate, treat it like a Vraks 7

[uncut pebble]

Bolt pistol is intended to be hip fired.

[tame lodge]

If you're going LP RnG, just shoot lmao

[uncut pebble]

It works excellently as a niche weapon for the right side of vet's tree.

You can run deadly accurate and weapon spec for a tight spread quickdraw crit on whatever you want.

Then your other blessing can be whatever.

Puncture would help you fudge bps if your crit doesn't outright kill something, but lethal prox also allows for wider aoes for your grenades.

[proud marsh]

rogue trader pants

[topaz lance]

It's not "intended to be hip fired".
The current bugged state of the recoil just makes ADS annoying, which they will hopefullly somewhat fix with the update. Exe stance + Deadshot already help generally with the handling though.

[meager topaz]

Is speed reload worth putting?

because i have fire frenzy 3 and dumdum 4 but I just got speed reload 4

[odd sparrow]

Speedload is generally not worth. Its ok to roll but not soemthing you should swap to

[meager topaz]

noted

[crude citrus]

go longshot > volley adept (top left of skill tree) if you need more reload speed

[bold comet]

I scored a vld with 80% dmg and 75s across the bored with dum dum and head hunter... I can bang in damnation after getting it but before I could barely do lvl 4s... should I go with flak and unyielding or flak / carapace or possibly even maniac?

[uncut pebble]

You look at the base hipfire spread and tell me it isn't intended to be hipfired.

[lusty sapphire]

Unfortunately bash barely staggers a shooter. It should have the same stagger as the headhunters imo

Push a rager, shoot him in the face

[grand perch]

It has surgical blessing

[crude citrus]

swap headhunter to infernus and put + ranged crit chance on it

[lusty sapphire]

I relaunch with "It has run n gun"

It has lethal proximity

[crude citrus]

for +x% dmg perks i think unyielding is bis

[lusty sapphire]

Execution which is clearly intended as a pair to lethal proximity

[bold comet]

I've only played for like two weeks and don't have crap in regards to blessings. The extra crit chance would give me a much larger mag though

Bis?

[crude citrus]

best in slot

[crude citrus]

headhunter isnt bad infernus is just better. you can keep headhunter on it if you dont have resources to roll for infernus

id put the +5% crit chance on it

[bold comet]

Is that a blessing or a perk?

[crude citrus]

perk. whats the current perks on it?

[bold comet]

Flak/unyielding

[crude citrus]

wow amazing roll

honestly can keep it like that or swap one of them for 5% crit chance.. i dont think it matters much

you get 32% crit from vet tree, so 5% is semi significant

30% from tree 2% (thats the base) from gun

(running deadshot)

[bold comet]

It's been shredding... I killed 10 poxhounds, a pox bomber, like 5 ragers and a few handfuls of walker/groaners with one mag... I fell in love immediately after that. Has a 190 beams per clip...

I was thinking about deadshot... I'll build another perk tree with it in there.

[crude citrus]

i love running deadshot on it but be aware that youll basically be at 0% stamina super often (so hordes are dangerous). i usually also pick duck and dive with deadshot so i can recharge stamina

[topaz lance]

Never said it isn't effective as a hip fire weapon. Just that "you should only hip fire it" is the wrong way to look at it.

[crude citrus]

stam regen delay node as well but i always pick that

[bold comet]

Seems like a great combo. I've been having difficulty making changes to my perk tree... I kinda found a sweet spot and deviation results in death for some reason. I start on the left go down the middle and back down to the bottom left... if I kill like 3-5 mobs I can melt a crusher in like under 5 seconds

[crude citrus]

for surviveability on vet the important ones are the top middle tree (close order drill and confirmed kill) combined with iron will at bottom middle

and if u take focus fire (keystone) then target down (left node)

[bold comet]

I went down the middle up until monstrosity for the 20% but decided not to go fore focus fire and got the bottom left keystone with a bonus to toughness regen per kill

You think focus fire is better?

[crude citrus]

in most cases yes. i almost never play with marksman focus tbh. it wasnt good when it launched cuz of the way the buff stacked and i havent seen a reason to switch from focus fire which is super simple to use and just gives u plain damage and toughness

they changed it so its decent now but i still think focus fire is more solid overall

[bold comet]

I'll try it out. Thanks man

[crude citrus]

sure thing

[tame lodge]

You're using a recon, MF is not top keystone for it

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist Recon

[tame lodge]

Brrrrrr

[crude citrus]

f u hadron

[agile finch]

wait is it multiplicative???

[crude citrus]

no, additive

[agile finch]

nvm

[terse idol]

Hmm? Wouldn't flak still be bis

Also!

Infernus just ain't that good

[idle swallow]

I gave up on deadshot for vld recon and just took reciprocity instead

I value my stamina not being at 0% all the time in firefights and I ain't doing the 3 Stam curio meme

[crude citrus]

infernus + unyielding for boss dmg

i dont know if flak or unyielding is bis tbh

[crude citrus]

i run both cuz i path to onslaught anyway

[idle swallow]

infernus is only worth on vld specifically and it's interchangeable with dumdum imo

[crude citrus]

you do both since the dmg stacks

dumdum boosts infernus dmg

[delicate hornet]

running high crit chance builds on the vId means headhunter typically isnt worth it as regular crits will reset the blessing stacks

[terse idol]

There we gooo

This miiiight

Be out of date

Last I talked about the recon, it seeemed like the consensus was headhunter isn't worth it anymore and going both damage blessings was betterrr

Infernus had a marginal damage increase

[crude citrus]

deathspitter u mean?

[terse idol]

Yah

[crude citrus]

could very well be

[terse idol]

Infernus isn't that good

[delicate hornet]

headhunter is more beneficial (compared to itself) if ur not already building for high crit chance

[terse idol]

Amd headhunter isn't that much added damage

I dunno

[delicate hornet]

higher the crit chance the more likely u are to reset the stacks

[terse idol]

I really still think survivalist and ammo tins on map will be in large most of your ammo gained

[delicate hornet]

why u wouldnt be building for high crit chance on a recon is another matter tho

[thin stone]

Is collateral important on Recon VId lasgun?

[crude citrus]

with shock trooper u dont even need survivalist

(with deadshot)