veteran-class

[rigid pilot]

Other than buffing spear moves

[pastel yew]

who is this giant baby

and why do you keep bullying him

[tall torrent]

tri-spear gives u spear light attacks (4 atk combo) and when u do the backstep lunge attack it shoots out swords for additional dmg

[rigid pilot]

Oh this the NG+ weapon?

[tall torrent]

no u can get it in first playthrough

but it's most useful for NG+

[rigid pilot]

But it's like end end game

[tall torrent]

the first spear u get (chapter 3) is also good

thrust stance is the best overall stance in this game imo

[rigid pilot]

I prefer smash mostly

[tall torrent]

thrust > smash > pillar

smash is good for resolute strike

[pastel yew]

how varied are the weapons?

[rigid pilot]

Thrust dodge is wonky against some enemies

[tall torrent]

u get a staff (or spear, there're 2)

u can use 3 stances (changes heavy attack & varied combo movesets)

light atk is same between all stances

[rigid pilot]

There's next to no weapon variety sadly, although you get like 10(?) transformations

[tall torrent]

weapon variety is more for late game

there're some cool stuff in NG+

[tall torrent]

yea 10

[rigid pilot]

I heard you need to reach NG+++ to unlock the full thing lmao

[tall torrent]

no

by NG+1 u can unlock everything in the game besides the sage stance easter egg (which is NG+3)

[rigid pilot]

Yea, I meant that

[tall torrent]

sage stance is whatever tho

[rigid pilot]

But I heard it only lasts for 1min and it's not even permanent

[tall torrent]

it's a shame that Jingubang might be the worst late game weapon

[rigid pilot]

Am I skill issue for still using it

[tall torrent]

it's a fine weapon

[rigid pilot]

I liked the one that gives you focus on see through

I just love see through in general

[tall torrent]

it's just that tri-spear exists and outcompetes everything for high NG+ because eventually everything 1 shots u

and tri-spear is the only option that gives u safe stagger vs every humanoid boss

[rigid pilot]

Are the self poison builds even worth it

[tall torrent]

there's an armourworm poison build

poison is apparently really strong but

spirit spam (non-able) with gold fury mask for focus is just flat out the best build for high NG+

[rigid pilot]

Gold fury mask

Might have missed that one

[tall torrent]

u get after beating chapter 3 final boss

craft

gives u large amount of focus after spirit attack hits an enemy

pair with non-able (super fast recharge, stagger + dmg)

[rigid pilot]

I didn't know how large because I didn't use it

[tall torrent]

and at least 1 other gold set armor piece (2 piece bonus +15% attack for 15s after using spirit/vessel)

u become stagger spam machine

with permanent +15% attack

pair this with tri-spear

[rigid pilot]

I've just been using tiger for almost the whole run

[tall torrent]

the spears buff ur thrust stance dmg by 20%

which tiger

mad tiger or tiger's acolyte

[rigid pilot]

The old that nerfs your hp

[tall torrent]

oh that one

[rigid pilot]

Mad tiger

[tall torrent]

he's alr ig

but non-able is just built different

[rigid pilot]

His roars sometimes miss if you are too close lmao

[tall torrent]

short atk windup + stagger + super fast recharge

[rigid pilot]

Yea mad tiger takes awhile

[tall torrent]

and non-able's attacks change based on ur light combo

[rigid pilot]

That's kinda pog

[tall torrent]

if u go to L4 then use him, he does a ground slam that deals hard stagger on almost every boss iirc

can interrupt most moves

some boss moves are immune to almost every stagger tho

yellow loong's charge up flying thrust move

during his charge up there're only maybe 2 attacks that can interrupt

[rigid pilot]

Nice to see wukong following the sekiro style that gives you incentives to be offensive and not just passive

[tall torrent]

u can play it like a souls game and be passive

spellbinder exists

[rigid pilot]

Rocksteady lol

It does feel good to counter rocksteady your opponent's rocksteady though

[tall torrent]

rock solid?

man I wish rock solid was good

[rigid pilot]

Ah yes

Isn't it though

[tall torrent]

it doesn't stagger some bosses' attacks

[rigid pilot]

It's more matchup dependant for sure

[tall torrent]

if u read it says it won't negate some bosses' overpowering attacks

[rigid pilot]

But it just stops some of their more annoying chains

Looking at the 3 eyed bugger

[tall torrent]

and rock solid needs way too much building into

u need an armor set for it

[rigid pilot]

I kinda ran NG with a rock solid armor so perhaps biased

[tall torrent]

and that armor set (even though looks really cool) has pretty mid stats

and in the end it's still like

why wait for an enemy to attack so u can rock solid parry stagger

when u could attack first and stagger lock it

[rigid pilot]

I just wish the Raksha armor had better stats

[tall torrent]

besides cloud step is just busted

[rigid pilot]

Cloudstep with level4 focus yes

[tall torrent]

cloud step in general is just strong at base

even at 3 focus it's still a lot of dmg for free

and in NG+ u can get a rechargeable gourd so u can basically never run out of mana

spellcasting build is fun for NG+ early on but at high NG+ it falls off cuz enemies just have too much health

NG+1 u can do stupid stuff like this tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049217901825110056/1278530693697241158/RPReplay_Final1724895674.mov?ex=66de52ff&is=66dd017f&hm=d687b30e72066a0f3100ce402e4e7495bdd365e9d09e658951a95c27a197fc18&

[rigid pilot]

I'm at chapter2 and the bosses still die too fast anyway

Wheres my bossrush mode

[rigid pilot]

But yea that is goated

[tall torrent]

NG+1 is playing on easy mode basically

NG+3 is when enemies start to outscale the player

[rigid pilot]

NG+3, I'm already outta here

[tall torrent]

cuz player character has scaling limit

I think they're gonna have to do smth abt it

since they're already working on future content

2 expansions planned

[rigid pilot]

They are probably fools if they don't lmao, 10 million copies and counting

[rigid pilot]

Was this announced somewhere?

[tall torrent]

bloomberg reported they're already working on an expansion

but essentially they originally planned for 13 chapters

[rigid pilot]

13

[tall torrent]

but due to budget, had to cut to only 6

[rigid pilot]

Only

[tall torrent]

the other 7 are gonna be reorganized into expansions

[rigid pilot]

The last area was kinda unreal debug world though

[tall torrent]

DLC1 4 chapters
DLC2 3 chapters

from what I heard

[rigid pilot]

I hope they add new characters to play as

[tall torrent]

DLC1 will contain a chapter that's based on the bloodiest arc in JTTW

[rigid pilot]

Erlang or nezhar or even zhubajie lmao

[tall torrent]

Nezha will appear in expansion

and their next title

DLC2 seems to be mostly about rebelling vs celestial court?

[tall torrent]

that's gonna be the next Black Myth game

there're 2 other Black Myth game trademarks already registered

[rigid pilot]

I wonder how are they going to scale the new dlc though

Maybe if they make it standalone you needn't worry about NG+ scaling

[tall torrent]

I hope they rebalance NG+ when they release it

it needs to have an end cap for enemy scaling

and maybe buff some builds while they're at it lol

[radiant finch]

got an error, mission aborted, my character died and was replaced by someone else, who's POV i was watching from - does this mean I was votred out?

[rigid pilot]

It will tell you if you were kicked, i think

[umbral scaffold]

bro just started playing in second person

[radiant finch]

psykers stay winning

[pastel yew]

possessed.

[frank monolith]

no leavers

[thorn lark]

That amount of players helped

[balmy flume]

Yes it does tell you.
I got kicked as a psyker once. Maybe I died too often, maybe I was a psyker.

At least it wasn't a kick vote triggered at the end of a mission (I was on the voting end myself for that)

[rigid pilot]

kicking is too difficult in this game

but theres also almost no reason too

[old prism]

Go kill it rn, I wanna watch

Lmao

[earnest bone]

dang, someone is still using this web app

[pseudo fiber]

Is there a better one?

[red robin]

Holy fuck, maxed out damage, pen and crit damage

The actual hand cannon

[hasty meteor]

Question: is the Veteran Guide PDF in the pinned comments still the latest and most up to date version or is there a newer one?

[idle swallow]

It's the newest publicly available one but numbers cat is working on an updated version, allegedly they're pretty close to finished

The current pinned one doesn't have shock maul or boltpistol on it

[hasty meteor]

Sounds good, thanks!

[lusty sapphire]

I need to buy this game. Man there's been a few good ones coming out lately. Spes marine 2 keeping me busy tho

[restive rock]

had one of my most fun games in a while today

and surprisingly it was on my vet ranged build

which is like my least used subclass of my least used operative

[hasty meteor]

some games just hit right

[red robin]

Man

What’s wrong with me

Im addicted to the gambling

Instead of saving materials for the crafting update

I JUST WANT IMPOSSIBLE GOD ROLLS NOW

[pseudo fiber]

Hell yeah gambling addiction

[red robin]

Ya ever rolling blues to try getting a specific blessing

Just to get 3 of the same one in a row

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah I do

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-nefario-pokies-spotto-gambling-gru-gif-17961400751430905015

[pseudo fiber]

I got run and gun 7 times in a row on trauma staff while looking for warp nexus

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

I just want reassuringly accurate on the las pistol

Also an 80 damage one too

I had a nice 77 roll, but I did some math and found out 80 adds around 50 damage to critical headshots

It’s such a worthless difference

But I want bigger number on crit headshot

[grand perch]

getting all blessings is a honorable endeavour ofc, but is there a bigger build plan for reassuringly accurate

[red robin]

Yeah I yapped abt it in chat yesterday

[grand perch]

ah k

the babysitter thing

[red robin]

Yeahh

Found out ghost is like

Amazing

1.2 seconds of dodging ranged attacks to proc duck and dive and reciprocity is insane

Deadshot, Reciprocity and Base Crit Chance makes the las pistol crit almost every attack

With the buff to the opening salvo talent being 10% crit chance on the first 20% of your mag will go hog wild on stormtrooper

I really want unarmored and maniac on the las pistol, because it already has a solid flak modifier

[somber axle]

Infinite ammo laspistol...

[oblique totem]

pew times infinity

[grand perch]

still not pew enough. its like dakka, never enough

[red robin]

Just saw these too

But ngl, ghost is a different beast

Also I never knew las pistols had innate suppression immunity

[earnest bone]

stap doing that to yourself

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/bets-tyrone-biggums-gif-24052847

[earnest bone]

nah, still dumdum + infernus or dum + ghost

too low values

[red robin]

True, I use ghost and reassuringly accurate for my support build

But if I wanted a fun las pistol I’ll use my dum+ghost las

[oblique totem]

Is this implemented yet?

[red robin]

Part of locked and loaded update dropping on the 26th of September

There’s a preview of the patch notes up

I keep coming back to it and reading it for theorizing build crafting

[faint beacon]

Concentrated fire + Reassuringly might be good for a toughness battery but then again Laspistol is just good at rolling crits anyways

[last parcel]

i read it once on the toilet and never again so i can forget the details and spread misinformation

[pseudo fiber]

The best idea

[red robin]

I don’t have useful high intellect autism, I have obscure tide gameplay autism

[oblique totem]

Hah! You read before spreading misinformation?

[faint beacon]

Yeah did you know they’re adding a new weapon

[pseudo fiber]

Did you know thunder hammer is getting power cycler

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[faint beacon]

True

Did you know they’re giving crusher super charged

[tame lodge]

Yeah 💀

[red robin]

I gotta thank the pinned vet guide

I had determined this whole time

Wasting a point for nothing

[last parcel]

putting on between the eyes for double suppression resist

[red robin]

Wait

Is that a useless blessing on the las pistol?

Like unironically

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Determined is really only good on like weapons that heavily suffer from suppression

Aka bolt weapons and HHAs

[red robin]

Am I being gaslit or did they remove the las pistol having suppression immunity?

[faint beacon]

It might just some are so minuscule it doesn’t matter

Reconlas, IAGs

[red robin]

Just referencing this

But it’s from 6 months

[pseudo fiber]

I didn't know that about suppression immunity.

If only it was on the recons so I didn't take determined

[red robin]

Man

I love hidden stats

[last parcel]

just hipfire

[red robin]

Makes you feel like a tech priest figuring out the gameplay machine spirit

[pseudo fiber]

I do! I'm not hitting SHIT

[viscid sparrow]

didn't know Shotguns have innate Determined, but now I do!

[red robin]

Agripinaa my beloved slug rail cannon

[faint beacon]

Sept 26th cannot come any sooner

[red robin]

I wonder what the headshot modifier is on the special loaded slug

[viscid sparrow]

I'm still gonna use Determined in almost every one of my vet builds though (I am a CIAG user first and foremost on vet)

[red robin]

Executioners stance also grants suppression immunity

[faint beacon]

You really don’t need Determined on CIAG of all guns

I literally run HHAs without determined and they tend to need it lmao

[somber axle]

Scriers Gaze is getting suppression immunity for the initial activation with the next update too

[red robin]

Man

I gotta play other classes

[viscid sparrow]

I just like having better hipfire...

[faint beacon]

SG really just being a better ES

[red robin]

Works for ranged and melee

Unreal

[somber axle]

SG + DD > ES + MF (except for funny CitA + RS interactions)

[faint beacon]

Its why I want them to make ES effect melee as well

They won’t they’re cowards

[somber axle]

If Psyker had Shock Trooper I'd probably be a Psyker main LOL

[viscid sparrow]

ES is meant for pure ranged builds...

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/double-rainbow-what-does-this-mean-gif-11850694

[thick kestrel]

main trick is you can sustain ES longer, used to be much more powerful back in the old days where being in ES let you get an absurd toughness damage reduction against ranged attacks (75% I think?)

the glory days of ES chaining kills at close range with a braced autogun to tank ALL the damage :>

[somber axle]

Scriers Gaze and Disrupt Destiny are better than Executioner's Stance and Marksman's Focus (except for the funny rending you get from Chink in their Armour + Rending Strikes with some weapons that have poor ADMs)

[faint beacon]

I really hate to say it but Veteran is not a pure ranged class

[earnest bone]

they'l give out Inspiring Barrage to braced autoguns

so Graia 4 and Columbus 2 can maybe do that

[red robin]

I view the skill tree as Ranged, Support, Melee

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, if memory served it used to work best with the mk8 and the immune to ranged attacks on close range kill blessing.

basically a really close range run/gun veteran loadout. this was back when we had the Vermintide style skilltree mind.

[tame lodge]

You're telling ME that 15 stacks of DD can compete with 75% finesse
Nuh uh
Melee doesn't count

[earnest bone]

it would be funny if they rework VT2 trees to be like Darktide trees

[tame lodge]

Then VT2 would be a good game

[somber axle]

I miss auto reload on ability activate with Exe Stance but Ogryns needed class identity so they shanked Vets in an alley to steal some of theirs

[earnest bone]

[thick kestrel]

aye, used to be great for helping shotgun loadouts work

but... yeah I can't grudge the big'uns the love

[somber axle]

Boltgun double magdump my beloved...

[red robin]

True

[somber axle]

Entirely overkill

[thick kestrel]

the perk is in good hands

[somber axle]

But it felt so fun

[red robin]

I loved blasting with the shotgun and immediately blasting again

Owell

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer40k-tactical-marine-bolter-adeptus-astartes-gif-16749240

[thick kestrel]

on the upside it does look like the relentless fold in is going to give us a bit more viability for ES builds. it's always surprising what 1 more skill point does for letting you reach relevent nodes

combined with the bolt pistol tweaks... not unreasonable chances of there being a pretty solid DMR boltpistol approach in there somewhere...

[red robin]

For me I can get quite a bit with 1 point

[thick kestrel]

or just letting you grab a bit more survivability/versatility for ES lasgun loadouts

[somber axle]

Now I can afford Enhanced Target Priority more often for the fun squad support

[thick kestrel]

now that is a fair point

[somber axle]

I used to exclusively run it on vent purge/lights out but with Relentless becoming baseline I might just take it always when running Exe Stance

Either that or The Bigger They Are for maintaining Exe Stance through Ogryn pain trains

[tame lodge]

Well, Bistol 1hk crushers is back on the menu

[somber axle]

Exe Stance refreshing on Crusher kills

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[thick kestrel]

I'll admit one thing I'm looking forwards to is the new blessings for the tactical axe... the new dodge blessing in particular is catching my attention for providing a really powerful survival tool

[red robin]

I got my eye on that with the duelling sword MK 5

[thick kestrel]

seeing as ES stance veterans tend to struggle a little bit on that mark (good at range, fold far too easily up close)

[red robin]

Duelling sword MK 5 15% dodge distance vs combat blade being 13%

I wanna combine it with weapon specialist for giant dodge sliding hyper mobility kiting with agile making it so I can chain it

[thick kestrel]

though... biggest thing I'm looking forwards to is the oppertunity to "fix" my perfect roll mg12 lasgun, it got stuck with 1 less useful blessing and I've been hanging on to it waiting for when hadron would take another look ^^

even if the mg12 isn't the "perfect" option

[red robin]

I just want to have a vraks 7 with 10% crit and weakspot damage

They should just combine those two stats into 10% finesse damage perk or tweak the math so it companies the total value

[faint beacon]

God can they just

Buff the MG12

[elder fiber]

no

its paying for sins of the past along with exe stance

[faint beacon]

ITS NOT GREAT COMPARED TO THE OTHERS

[red robin]

Is that the blue one?

[thick kestrel]

it really used to be absurdly good...

again, back in the day it would oneshot body shot pretty much everything when in exestance, jusy eclipsing the other options entirely.

[red robin]

I just know the three genders of lasgun being firerate/balanced/damage

[grand perch]

path mentioned it needed ike a 40% dmg buff at least to be remotely viable again

[thick kestrel]

aye, the big issue is that it's particularly vulnerable to breakpoints... just the nature of enemy balancing despite it probably being the most comfortable lasgun in terms of handling due to how bouncy they are

which, in fairness, is reason enough to use it. you don't NEED the best gun if you can get the preformance you want out of it due to the soft factors (which is why I still love it)

and the same reason I can't get on with the mk9 headhunter... I can't stop myself moving and destroying all of it's precision while doing so (where the mk7 just feels like silk)

[faint beacon]

I’ve used the Agri 9 so much the V3 feels pathetic in comparison

It’s recoil is just super jank and I’ve managed to tame It

[red robin]

mk9 is baller and hits like a truck

Just wish the headhunter guns had better maniac damage

I love shooting a mutants tiny head repeatedly

[faint beacon]

I honestly don’t mind it

The crits when they hit drop them so fucking quickly

I just care about dropping gunners more

[thick kestrel]

aye, it's more the aggressive loss of control when not stationary which makes me have trouble with it. bit too ingrained to always be moving or strafing even when ADS

[faint beacon]

Hence why I’m wanting to do Unarmored Flak when the update drops

[thick kestrel]

because the sheer damage output on it? definitely worth it, just would need to adjust my playstyle quite a bit to accommodate that effect

[red robin]

Chaining headshots stack it up well

[faint beacon]

I can use it on the move, though the best way is literally crouching and firing

[thick kestrel]

mhmm

[red robin]

Honestly tho

I wish executioners stance and marksmen focus had some leeway with melee

[tame lodge]

They'd have to cut some from MF

75% finesse would be too much for melee

[red robin]

I just mean like

[terse idol]

Crab vet but meta

[red robin]

Melee headshots maintaining stacks for 3 seconds and kills for 6 seconds on marksmen focus

[plush jetty]

is this good on a vet ?

[terse idol]

That wouldn't be had considering exe on a lasgun vs bosses is depressing

I wouldn't mind if exe kept it's duration if you swapped to melee and didn't instantly drop

[red robin]

Yeah

It would be nice

I need just need breathing room to push attack the one ambient groaner hating on me of all people

[thick kestrel]

one of the upsides of the guns with bashes in fairness

[tame lodge]

Not really

[red robin]

Or the helbore bayonet

[tame lodge]

However has meme potential

[thick kestrel]

yarp

[somber axle]

It's kinda funny how much interrupts Exe Stance

Allowing it to maintain duration through weapon swap and keeping the damage bonuses exclusive to ranged damage would be a nice QoL change

[red robin]

True

[last parcel]

plogryn boops your nose aw fuck cant shoot anymore

[red robin]

Man the greatest quality of life change was allowing bullets to pass through teammates

[plush jetty]

Apart from Power Cycler what do you put on power swords ?

[red robin]

I like brutal momentum

But like I’m starting to like sunder

[thorn lark]

It's the ass penance. At least you're sure the bad teammates won't stay forever to be rezzed and will be recycled.

[red robin]

400% cleave on energized attacks

20% heavy attack damage on energized attacks is nice too

[terse idol]

Doesn't the cleave still max out?

It's why I value BM higher if you got it considering the weakpoint damage

Plus cleave

[red robin]

Shrug

It’s either or

15% weakspot damage do be nice tho

Can’t wait for brutal momentum and agile on tac axe for 25% + 10% perk for weakspot damage + 30% from precision strikes

But I think it has a way stronger crit damage modifier tho

I love useless jank math on weakspot damage bonuses!!

https://tenor.com/view/pim-scream-gif-11745587167248793422

[tame lodge]

Well good luck having 44+ mass to stop Sunder
Cleave Damage distribution is slightly altered because of the special

[red robin]

Simplify in terms a moron could understand

So does it do more cleave damage?

Nvm I can’t read

[tame lodge]

Technically it loses less damage on cleave

[red robin]

So sunder good?

[pseudo fiber]

yeah

[tame lodge]

Sunder reduces mass so it's good

The charge is the one reducing the loss of damage on cleave

[red robin]

Me rn

https://tenor.com/view/asombro-gif-16344572098879129030

[tame lodge]

Mfw you can hit 4 crushers because of sunder

[red robin]

Man

I think the knife made me into a bad player, I need dodge range and man does the power sword require some thought into how and where you dodge

[terse idol]

Don't you still just 1 combo a crusher with BM pc4 with the ps6

Me as I am bm pilled because of rashad

[red robin]

True

I am for it on axes

[tame lodge]

You see, I'm trying to remember how BM works

Like

If you were to kill 1 crusher and hit the other 3

[red robin]

Vermintide 2 trained me that axes are single target and don’t have any cleave

[tame lodge]

Would they take the first target damage

[red robin]

So something that gives an axe cleave is goated in my book

[tame lodge]

Or would cleave damage distribution be a thing

I just can't remember

[terse idol]

I think cleave distribution still applies, it's the whole "Ignores enemy hit mass" that's the big important part

[radiant chasm]

well BM no longer works on crushers/ogryns because of ogryn shovels being busted

cleave distribution does not apply if you oneshot weakspot kill the enemy, up to 4 times per swing

[red robin]

so sunder is the real goat in the end

[radiant chasm]

you will deal first target damage, as if it was the first target hit, after you consume all 4 or you don't oneshot weakspot an enemy, normal cleave distribution starts from that point

[radiant chasm]

not really

sunder is good on mk3 vs like packs of thick maulers/crushers BUT

[red robin]

ooo

[radiant chasm]

it still gives you normal cleave distribution

[red robin]

i need a reason to use the MK3

[tame lodge]

Totally forgot the nerf 💀

[red robin]

Mk6 got that thwack push attack chain

[radiant chasm]

BM is strong because it lets you kill multiple elites in one swing, ragers, shotgunners, etc

and it makes it easier for mk6 to one combo a crusher

(Activate PA-light-light)

[real helm]

Can anyone give me a carry for “On Overwatch”?

[somber axle]

I am at work but I can share something that may help!

[last parcel]

do it yourself and read this
#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

OH

There it is LOL

Easier than copy pasting

[real helm]

Thx for the advice

[junior needle]

How nice of obesefish to refrain from doing simple and easy balance changes only to pile them all into one patch for no reason

[last parcel]

[red robin]

how does 100% rending work with 25% carapace damage?

is that redundant?

[faint beacon]

Anything above 100% is redundant iirc

[red robin]

isee

i heard its just goes 1/4 over 100%

[last parcel]

they're different effects. rending affects the armor damage modifier (damage multiplier to the damage amount) while 25% carapace damage affects the damage amount

[red robin]

so meaning that i do more damage vs crushers when I stab their back?

keeping carapace is decent?

or would another stat be better for my knife

[last parcel]

keeping carapace is fine, i'd rather swap ruthless backstab for uncanny strikes based on what you're saying

but you could just post the whole knife so we can know

[red robin]

i use infiltrate and low profile to just stand behind them

[faint beacon]

Get uncanny

Ruthless you could get away with on maybe Zealot

But Vet uncanny is just more useful

[tall torrent]

even on zealot, uncanny is better

[faint beacon]

I was mainly taking into consideration the Backstab CDR talent

But yeah uncanny is just generally more broad use

[last parcel]

i can see how that works, but the thing is that ruthless only applies to the stab itself, while uncanny gives a lasting buff to yourself (which would also boost the bleed from flesh tearer) and lets you keep refreshing it even if they turn around afterwards

[red robin]

OOO

is that real?

more rending boosts bleeding?

I only got uncanny 3

[last parcel]

functionally the same as uncanny 4

[red robin]

does that 20% to 24% do much?

[tame lodge]

Just reach 100% rending on different times

[odd sparrow]

rending above 100% does nothing

[red robin]

ok

so instead of carapace damage should I take 5% crit to get about 40% crit chance?

+25% from stacking reciprocity

65% total

or would 10% weakspot damage be a decent addition since the knife has high finesse mod

[odd sparrow]

5% crit chance is never worth it even on weapons where crit is massively beneficial

[red robin]

aight

[faint beacon]

Yes that and Exploit weakness massively help with knife based builds

[red robin]

oyes

[faint beacon]

You should always focus Weakspot on knives

[grim scroll]

This is more a general question I guess, but I'll ask it here - I'm worried about over-consecrating my Bolter. I suppose I must have bought it from the armory, and now it's Gold-level. I can't keep modifying it, but is there a CHANCE that I'll get a better rating bolter as loot or something down the line? I'm level 30, for reference.

[red robin]

does the stacked uncanny from melee apply to ranged weapons

or is the buff function solely on melee

[junior needle]

It applies to everything you do while the buff is active

It has a duration

[junior needle]

Weakspot and crit damage perks are almost never worth taking

Due to how they work

The damage bonus applies only do the bonus damage, ie the difference between the normal hit and the crit

So if you hit for 100 and crit for 110, 10% crit damage makes you do 111 damage

[last parcel]

base rating goes up to 380 so probably yes. though with the update on the 26th you can just upgrade the base stats on your bolter and modify all 4 slots so

[grim scroll]

So I don't need to worry about hording plaststeel and such in the event I DO get a new bolter to modify it up, right?

[last parcel]

if you get a better bolter it's not like it'll get moldy if you don't consecrate it fast enough

so feel free to do whatever with your plasteel in the meantime

[slow spade]

Well it might still be very expensive

So I horde just in case

[last parcel]

true

too bad i'm a fiend for novelty

[severe gale]

don’t take weakspot, it’s really bad

same with crit damage

oh soldier gave u that spiel already

[slow spade]

A shame its such an easy mistake to make

Like you wouldn't even know unless you extensively test

[severe gale]

yeah

[red robin]

the way i see it

it's a damage increase to everything if the finesse modifier is high enough

[junior needle]

It's a damage increase to "everything" regardless, but because the damage gained is so low, it's very unlikely to shift breakpoints and especially across multiple enemies.

It CAN do this, but it's a very particular and unlikely circumstance

This is just for the perk by the way, as it does not compete well with other options

Something like the 30% weakspot damage talent is taken for most setups

[odd sparrow]

it is a decent amount of damage that is relevant on every enemy

the 30% talent

[slow spade]

Even then, taking the weakspot talent is because its just on the way to better talents

[odd sparrow]

Also vets taking executioners stance are getting +1 point next update

[faint beacon]

Blessed be

Now we can put it into Ogryns highlighted

Lmao

[somber axle]

Squad Highlight + Ogryns so everyone sees the 8 Crushers in front and tunnel visions them so they don't notice the 8 Crushers from behind until it is too late

[faint beacon]

Ogryns and Shooters for more up time tbh, but more supportive would be squad highlight + shooters

They seriously need to make it where if allies are in coherency their kills count towards your ES refresh

[last parcel]

OGRY AND SHOOTERSA RE MUTALLLYE XPLCUSIVE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

IM GONNA BUUUUSTTT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHGHG

[faint beacon]

This proves how little I play ES

CAUSE ITS BAD AND NEEDS SLIGHT TWEAKING!!!

[idle swallow]

virgin safety net VoC/infil vs chad I'm gonna kill you even harder exe stance

[faint beacon]

It just sucks ES is lack luster compared to them

I’m surprised it doesn’t give you like a portion of toughness on activation like a good chunk of abilities do

[somber axle]

Would be fun if each highlight kill granted bonus toughness

But then it might be too strong when combo'd with Confirmed Kill

[last parcel]

sounds like born leader maxxing

[hidden torrent]

Goo goo ga ga tbh

[radiant chasm]

Really depends on your weapon

Shredder, brautos, not really useful to take weakspot damage

But it’s a great talent

[hasty meteor]

Would you leave T3 Bloodletter for something like Flak/Elite or upgrade to T4 BL and replace one of the two perks?

[uncut pebble]

Infested to flak and bloodletter to savage sweep, imo.

[hasty meteor]

Bloodletter isn't that good?

[uncut pebble]

But bloodletter is also a good blessing if you would rather change the perks to flak and unarmored.

[uncut pebble]

Bloodletter is great, it is just a niche blessing vs things that synergize well or have good uptime.

Like, savage sweep and rampage will proc at the same time, every time, so they synergize really well.

[hasty meteor]

oh that makes sense

[lusty sapphire]

Shred*

[uncut pebble]

I was told that savage sweep was better for the mk4 because you're doing heavies a lot.

[hasty meteor]

the veteran guide suggested savage sweep as a top tier blessing as well for the 4

[lusty sapphire]

You're not gonna kill more than 2/3 poxwarlkers with each swing

Might as well boost your dmg

And lights are very good on it

[lusty sapphire]

Preference in that case

Savage sweep gives a lot of cleave but crits also increase your cleave + give you dmg

A bit of a trade off

[hasty meteor]

Hmm, okay. I'll think about it for a bit, thanks both of you!

[torpid grotto]

just read the patch notes, duelling sword on vet seems totally insane. Any posts checking breakpoints with it in here?

[last parcel]

mk4 heavies have enough cleave to hit 3 scab bruisers and that's enough for me so i go shred too

[lusty sapphire]

In dt cleave is not that good on weapons that have even a small amount of it cause dmg falls off drastically

That + the target cap on most weapons

[radiant chasm]

Chsword crit damage doesn’t fall off with cleave

Also rampage tooltip is wrong, it gives power not damage

[tall torrent]

Savage sweep is a very strong blessing for mk4 chainsword

[tall torrent]

Crusher 1 shot

[lusty sapphire]

Why tho

[tall torrent]

Because chainsword maintains high weakspot & Crit damage through cleave

[faint beacon]

Heavy's always hit through 3

[tall torrent]

It’s unlike other cleave weapons

[radiant chasm]

Chsword also doesn’t have a cleave cap

[faint beacon]

Unlike the Evis

lmao

[tall torrent]

Most things don’t have cleave cap

[radiant chasm]

Chsword doesn’t have a target damage cap

[lusty sapphire]

LMAO ok I didn't know this

So dumb

I'd rather still have shred tho

[radiant chasm]

Mk2 evi doesnt have a cleave cap, mk15 does. Mk4 chaxe and mk12 chaxe both have cleave damage caps

I’d go rampage sweep and get your crit chance from tree on veteran tbh

[faint beacon]

@last parcel Totally forgot to state this ages ago, the gif of you using the Thammer that has an Axe head instead goes incredibly fucking hard

[radiant chasm]

8.0 base cleave so having savage sweep lets you deal minimum damage to a lot more enemies, especially if you do the dodge/drag tech

And mk13g just needs wrath cause it uses lights to clear

[lusty sapphire]

Understandable

[torpid grotto]

any conditions? crit?

[last parcel]

that axe head makes me feel things

wait wasn't that literally yesterday

[faint beacon]

I think so

I literally just forget to state my opinion

cause I was literally in bed getting ready to sleep

saw it and went

holy shit thats metal as fuck

[last parcel]

i meant the ages ago part lol

[faint beacon]

For a shark, time is extremely short thank you very much

[tall torrent]

No crit

[torpid grotto]

amazing

I guess precog will just give boss damage then?

[last parcel]

that's why SharkTime rounds in and out punches for the day using a 7 minute rounding rule

[tall torrent]

It’s alr

But

Uncanny + thrust

[torpid grotto]

true

do you just need 25% carapace and heavy their head and they die

lol

[tall torrent]

25% carapace, maybe 10% elite? Then just regular veteran melee & damage talents

[torpid grotto]

the damage numbers on scab only melee are going to be insane

what do you guys think of the agility blessing? virtually unlimited dodges... but IDK it seems not needed if you know what youre doing

[radiant chasm]

It’s overshadowed

Both weapons (taxe and dsword) do not need it and while it’s interesting and def going to have some funny people learn to abuse it

Yea like old forcesword

[torpid grotto]

the DS5 will be flying

[radiant chasm]

They should at least make it on kill cause it’s so easy to get one weakspot hit per 5 dodges

[tall torrent]

Where does it sit in comparison to other veteran melee

Isn’t dodge reset 0.85s for all classes and only gets changed by zealot’s IJ keystone

[tall torrent]

Fun on paper but the +10% weakspot is very weak in comparison to other blessings

[radiant chasm]

Tldr it’s not going to be competitive unless you hit all your BPs with it only giving 10% weakspot damage+ your 2nd blessing

[torpid grotto]

I was assuming vet DS is going to feel like mercy killer knife on roids

[tall torrent]

Well no it’s like twice as slow horde clear as knife

[radiant chasm]

Probably the other way around tbh, for vet i dont see a point to run it over knife

[tall torrent]

It’s a single target one trick

[last parcel]

i'm just here for ds5 wep spec zoom

[radiant chasm]

Zealot ds4+ flamer going to pop off tho

[tall torrent]

Main upside imo is easier to manage stamina while also keeping high mobility

No need to PA spam and also has a strong stagger poke

[torpid grotto]

wont vet have higher damage with the DS4 than zealot?

[radiant chasm]

Doesnt dsword only have 1 stam lol

[tall torrent]

Yea but it doesn’t need to PA spam

[radiant chasm]

Actually it will need to PA if you are vs a bruiser pack and above

[tall torrent]

Not as frequently as knife

[radiant chasm]

Lights won’t hit the 3 targets (if you are going rampage)

Plus duck and dive exists

I guess maybe with a shredder nade spam build?

Cause slower horde clear than knife and it being viable to burn all your ammo for hordes, you need to cover that weakness

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun

[faint beacon]

DB Manstopper looking at the poxhorde

[radiant chasm]

T4 manstopper t4 flechetee soon

[faint beacon]

TRUE

SO TRUE

I cant wait

CEO of Flechette

[torpid grotto]

this is a good ass update

[faint beacon]

@last parcel Mine crafte

[last parcel]

you'll poke your eye out

i didn't need to see the price tag anyways

[faint beacon]

Im going to go see how dumb this is in Pubs

Rashad btw

WAS a rashad

[tall torrent]

I hope this Thursday’s new rotation is good

[faint beacon]

He's so fucking ready

[last parcel]

the soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgha9S39Y6M

[dire olive]

https://youtu.be/8ZXBm1NXBaI?si=4-43jFkcxn_mo26o

[marble mantle]

Myyyyyy diaaaaaamoooooonds

[marble mantle]

Honestly I really fuck with this drip

[marble mantle]

Space marine ogryn or disgusting fart, call it

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

[sharp trail]

new zealot gimp mask

[marble mantle]

I foresaw it in a vision

[tame lodge]

Psyker's skinny pants

[marble mantle]

Guaranteed

Another green vet skin

[sharp trail]

this game somehow only makes cosmetics that i do not want to spend money on at all

[marble mantle]

I would do a twerk video for Fatshark if they gave me space marine Ogryn

[sinful swallow]

Go ahead and send them that anyways

[marble mantle]

I have a feeling it’ll have the opposite effect

[faint beacon]

Simple additions is nice sometimes

[sand wedge]

trying to do the every shot counts penance, anyone have a weapon recommendation for it? been using bolt pistol just bc its the one i always use

[marble mantle]

Plasma with low ammo count

[uncut pebble]

Shotguns are also a good choice.

[tall torrent]

I just want some kind of full body armor for veteran

No weird clipping problems

[austere mica]

Double barrel weapon spec

You are always firing into crowds in melee so you can just dump your ammo into singular poxwalkers at end event and get it easy

[red robin]

erm

what do

executor good blessing?

[austere mica]

Lacerate to uncanny strike, executor to Mercy killer (if you run serrated blade talent) or Precognition

Carapace is very liveable

[red robin]

what would be on it otherwise?

[austere mica]

Whatever honestly

I prefer Elites and flak

[tall torrent]

this is good

[austere mica]

But that is a quite good knife

[red robin]

yeah

[tall torrent]

lacerate to uncanny

[uncut pebble]

There's a certain zealout chat goober that likes to run both uncanny and executor for crusher deletion.

[tall torrent]

no need to change the rest

executor is good on mk6 knife

[red robin]

aight bet

I'm thinking i put on precog

[austere mica]

It just has consistency issues (you miss one headshot and it resets)

[tall torrent]

no

[red robin]

not massive

[tall torrent]

u need to land a hit that doesn't hit any weakspot in cleave for it to reset

[red robin]

I only aim for headshots ngl

[austere mica]

Well yeah thats what you're supposed to do

[red robin]

we are so back

[austere mica]

Just saying if you miss because enemy ogryn hitboxes or bosses it resets

[red robin]

not that big a deal

[austere mica]

If you run Serrated Blade in your tree Mercy Killer has 100% uptime

[red robin]

ya that's 1 point

[austere mica]

It is weakspot damage instead of straight power however

[red robin]

i love weakspot damage

[austere mica]

and Precog is Finesse so it affects crits

[red robin]

even if the math is dogshit

i decided to try precog and mercy killer

[austere mica]

Interesting choice

[red robin]

i just think penetration does more than enough than to warrant uncanny

[austere mica]

Rending gives damage if it overstacks

[tall torrent]

Nah uncanny is just broken

[red robin]

shrug

[lavish token]

You need uncanny for bleed

[crude citrus]

y? does armor rend affect bleed dmg?

[lavish token]

Yes

[red robin]

no i dont

i will suffer like a moron and grief my teams

I'll pass on uncanny

[tribal rune]

its overrated anyway. its good but not always best

[red robin]

bro a fellow free thinker

what's good

[tribal rune]

ive seen the light

knife already does good against carapace if built right. and you should be shooting crushers with plasma gun anyways.

[tame lodge]

Nah

Nah

Nah

Uncanny is always best

Just say that you don't want to use

Instead of trying to downplay it

[rapid plover]

Uncanny is a no-brainer
unless you are cooking something else

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-vibe-gif-24179784

[radiant chasm]

if you skip uncanny you need to get riposte and grab crit chance where you can,

works a lot easier on zealot tbh

[red robin]

i got reciprocity for that

[radiant chasm]

yes but knife has crit adms

[red robin]

adms?

[radiant chasm]

so they only way to bypass the need for uncanny is to crit as close to 100% as possible

[tall torrent]

Nah

[radiant chasm]

Armor Damage Modifiers

[tribal rune]

yah

[radiant chasm]

the listed values for effectiveness vs armor types on a weapon and it's swings

[tall torrent]

Relying on plasma for carapace is just wasteful when knife is the best anti-carapace for veteran

As of now anyway

[radiant chasm]

knife has a unique "crit adms" which are all above 1.0 (100%) effectiveness so rending isn't as important if you have enough crit chance and then slap on precog for boosting that damage further

but, if you are going bleed or not getting a ton of crit chance, or just want a safe general boost, uncanny is a must

serrated blade? uncanny mercy. want to force bleed, uncanny flesh tearer.

cause bleed has it's own ADMs

unarmored and infested aren't affected by rending

but unyielding, carapace, and flak all get a lot more effective if you have uncanny+bleed

[tall torrent]

I think he already zoned out lol

[radiant chasm]

(also go what you want lol idc)

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Playing around with some of the HS's

I think the IX might have the most promise with Veteran

[tall torrent]

It’s the best one overall yea

[faint beacon]

Noted

[tall torrent]

U wanna play

[faint beacon]

Possibly, but right now just running solos

[tall torrent]

Ok I’m getting on in like half an hour

[hearty panther]

man i love the chaxe12

[faint beacon]

M1 till they die

simple as

[hearty panther]

nuuh i throw in push attacks too

it goes poke

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ollie-boop-paws-boop-gentle-boop-gif-10872413038021902498

[faint beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862705157195694130/880559875745267763/Webp.net-gifmaker.gif

[severe gale]

doesn’t ds4 also have that

the adm crit

[radiant chasm]

It does not

Hence why i think anti uncanny on dueling sword is more stupid than anti uncanny on knife

[severe gale]

really

i thought it did

i am stupid

[radiant chasm]

Uncanny is core to your flak damage lights vs bruisers and carapace heavies being able to chunk so hard

[radiant chasm]

It’s mkay fatshark isn’t consistent

[severe gale]

troo

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/2C-bdsMGXlY?si=ZwPIrVw1ENuM6X9p

[austere mica]

I thought that was a joke video title over an actual demo of it being broken and went to watch it but saw the channel at the last second

[severe gale]

explode.

[orchid hemlock]

"the knife is good into carapace"

truly a masterclass analysis from the vet main here

[austere mica]

Know what’s also good

Free damage

[orchid hemlock]

crazy I know 😔

[tame lodge]

I karking hate the Ciag 🗣️

[austere mica]

It is so gross

I own one

And it’s just

Insane

[red robin]

lmao

I actually like his takes

his 9+ stamina curios vs vet not having any toughness curios is insane is profound

[austere mica]

That sentence barely makes sense

[red robin]

sowwy i am tired

im not going to edit it so i can look dumb and no one will bother to argue with me

[frank basin]

he's like "i can run around with stamina regen and sprint efficency all day i want"

[red robin]

damn that sounds like fun

[frank basin]

he said it

he put stamina effiency and regen

[red robin]

yeah?

[frank basin]

as i remembered that last 2 year ago

[austere mica]

Stam regen is good

All the efficiency stuff

Is not

[frank basin]

kek

[red robin]

ngl

skirmisher is kinda wild with the double barrel

25% base damage on a weapon with high base damage is nutty

[frank basin]

I never use double barrel

[red robin]

i like sprint efficiency and imma miss vanguard

[frank basin]

i tried boltpistol

[red robin]

its made for hotswap

[austere mica]

Not when compared to 10% attack speed

[red robin]

i take both

[austere mica]

Especially because it takes 25 seconds to get that damage

[red robin]

I don't mind it with run n gun on the double barrel

[tall torrent]

skirmisher has uptime problems

[tall torrent]

3x sprint efficiency can be good

[austere mica]

Can be

Versus 15% toughness or 60% gunner resist

I won’t deny the niche of extreme zoomies but I will continue to call it a niche

[umbral scaffold]

skirmisher bad

no skirmisher

ironically horrible synergy with sprinting from enemy to enemy

[faint beacon]

UnL Might make it useable though

8 seconds vs 5

[placid portal]

Screw gunner resist where is my shotgunner resist

[tropic notch]

What blessings do you want got the bolt pistol

I’ve tried to use it but it just seems like the revolver is better

[junior needle]

The combat in SM2 is kinda off

I'm disappointed

[junior needle]

Late reply but since when do crits have different adm's? It's supposed to just have different damage.

[severe gale]

real!!

wasn’t what i was expecting

[severe gale]

crits have higher ADMs

it manifests as higher damage

[junior needle]

I'm gonna need a source on that

[severe gale]

knife crits deal full damage to armor

[junior needle]

Because I thought the same thing at first and then was told no

[severe gale]

with bloodthirsty, you can one shot a crusher on a mk15

[junior needle]

A long time ago

[severe gale]

and you miss the one shot without the crit by more than the 25% damage added by the crit

or however much is added by it

[junior needle]

I will test this

[severe gale]

@slow sky

[slow sky]

almost full damage

max stacks of uncanny will deal more damage, but not enough for a piety zealot to care when theyre critting every time and dealing nearly as much

esp with precog existing, which applies to more situations

[junior needle]

And now my healthbars aren't working

lovely

[junior needle]

That's not a knife, or a knife blessing

[severe gale]

mk15

evis

i should’ve specified sry

[severe gale]

lmfao

awesome

[junior needle]

I figured it out

[earnest bone]

skirmisher with 8 sec could be viable, but better if it was 10, with the current 5 secs its atrocious

il definitely try it with 8 secs to check how it feels

[severe gale]

r you gonna elaborate

or stay mysterious

[last parcel]

edit: nvm fixed it

[severe gale]

literally lmfao

[junior needle]

Double checking, hold on. I suspect shit tooltips are to blame and that it's not actually any adm adjustment, rather that some strikes have different crit and weakspot multi's.

It is doing the damage it says on the breakdown, but the value is inconsistent with what it says on the finesse stat

[severe gale]

@slow sky crits have different ADMs right

[junior needle]

More damage (or less) is not necessarily a result of adm change

[severe gale]

i’m positive that crits have different ADMs

[severe gale]

a crit doesn’t spark blue against carapace

[slow sky]

honestly with fatshark being fatshark
i literally cannot say for certain

[severe gale]

meaning it has a level of penetration

[junior needle]

First time I've ever heard of strike sparking

[slow sky]

crits fundamentally are fucking weird

[last parcel]

tldr fuck this dogshit game

[severe gale]

light attack a crusher, the attack will spark blue and deal 2-3 damage

with like, a knife

[slow sky]

like how a weapon dealing 1 or even 0 damage to carapace dealing much more damage with a crit

[severe gale]

or a heavy sword

or dclaw

[last parcel]

of a ciag

[slow sky]

recon lasguns

[severe gale]

which the only logical (antithetical to FS i know) is an increase in armor damage modifiers

[slow sky]

0 damage from cara on a non crit

i wouldnt be surprised if its a mixture of a small adm bump plus the damage bonus

[severe gale]

it definitely is

certain weapons get a higher adm buff though (knife, dueling sword)

[junior needle]

I thought the exact same thing before, but was told it was bonus damage pushing it over the threshold of being nothing into something tangible

[slow sky]

idk how theyd code that tho

[junior needle]

I brought this up with regard to recons

[severe gale]

that wouldn’t make sense, a 25% increase to next to no damage would still be next to no damage

[slow sky]

since almost every single form of damage is still an increase of its base value

[severe gale]

it’d have to be multiplying the damage 3-4x to have an effect like that

[slow sky]

which we know its not doing based on the other armor types

[junior needle]

The base value is severely unreliable for melee weapons, as it's only for the first attack. A mod confirmed different strikes have different base damage.

And it's not an issue of adm between strikes

[slow sky]

i think this game is just fucking STUPID!!!!

[severe gale]

yeah different weapons do have different damage, that’s obvious

sorry

not weapons

strikes

for example, one of the dclaw’s has a strikedown light that does i think like 300 damage to carapace

while the other 2 lights spark off and deal like 2

the weapon would have to have an increase in both damage and ADM against carapace for that to happen for the strikedown light only

[slow sky]

153 at max dmg, but idk if the damage tables account for the finesse stat

[severe gale]

i think they do

not sure

[junior needle]

Different armor types also have different multi's seemingly arbitrarily, here's a very fine example.

Wherein what does more damage between a headshot and a crit just changes for no reason

[severe gale]

crit ADM fuckery

[junior needle]

Again

An adm adjustment wouldn't account for this

Having more adm on crit wouldn't make headshots suddenly do more damage for no reason

[severe gale]

that’s just ADM fuckery

[junior needle]

It's not, adm's are only part of how damage is calc'd

[severe gale]

also pretty sure different armor types have different weakspot modifiers innately

[severe gale]

if you look at the crit damage vs carapace, it’s much higher than 6% of its normal crit damage

[junior needle]

I just said that

[severe gale]

oops

:3

[severe gale]

which could only be explained by a crit having a higher ADM

[junior needle]

You had an answer before

[severe gale]

for what

[junior needle]

I suspect it's the crit modifier just being arbitrarily higher for some armor types and not any kind of actual messing with adm's, which are apparently supposed to be consistent based on a statement by a mod.

[severe gale]

hmm

maybe

i really don’t know

[junior needle]

So it SEEMS that crit on carapace just has beeger multi

For the ciag at least

It'll vary with each weapon

[severe gale]

this behavior is consistent with every weapon, just to different degrees

[junior needle]

or the multi for the weakspot is just weaker

[severe gale]

oh darktide

to understand your messy ass code

[junior needle]

So looking at the numbers for ciag

It seems like it has a 2.21x damage for weakspot on carapace and infested

But a 2.67x for flak

Of course these damage tables could just be arbitrary numbers assigned to damage types and not an actual multi based off a base damage

[tall torrent]

sorta
depends on weapon

[junior needle]

Is it actually different adm's, or different crit multipliers? It's an important distinction.

[tall torrent]

I mean
if u see a weapon with higher crit dmg than weakspot dmg (in the chart) against an armor type

then that crit has different ADM (base & weakspot has same ADM)

but this only really applies to carapace & unyielding for the most part

for most weapons, crit is same as weakspot on most armor types

[junior needle]

[tall torrent]

TLDR
base dmg & weakspot has same ADM
crit increasing ADM (the so-called crit rending) only works on carapace & unyielding most if not all the time

[junior needle]

Can you confirm that this is actually an adm adjustment and not arbitrary damage number increases based on armor types, as is easily visible a variety of weapons?

Because some just have weakspot do more damage for no reason as well

[tall torrent]

I said it only really applies to like 2 armor types

[tall torrent]

which one

and on what armor type

[junior needle]

Take this ciag

unarmored and flak, higher headshot

infested and maniac, the exact same

Then as you said, unyielding and carapace crits do more

It very much seems like it could be attributable to arbitrary number differences based on damage type with some favoring crits or weakspots for no real reason, as a result of swedish game design (TM)

[tall torrent]

yea it does do more on weakspot than crit bodyshot for unarmored & flak

[junior needle]

If it were rending, then the ciag wouldn't have such a YUGE amount of damage bonus to unyielding on a crit compared to a weakspot

Because the modifier is already stupid high

[tall torrent]

but the so-called "crit rending" effect only really applies to carapace & unyielding

[junior needle]

and then the weakspot does piddly damage comparatively for no reason

[tall torrent]

in what

[junior needle]

unyielding

it does 166 to unyielding weakspots with a much bigger modifier, while flak weakspot with a much lower modifier does 195

flak has about 96% adm, unyielding has about 147%

[tall torrent]

Yea weakspot bonus can vary by Armor type on a weapon

[junior needle]

Yep, that's what's making me think this is not an adm matter but just fatshark arbitrarily making crits/weakspots better/worse on certain damage types by messing with multipliers.

[tall torrent]

Weakspot bonus can vary by armor type
Crit “rending” only applies to carapace & unyielding

That’s the gist of it

[junior needle]

I strongly suspect the "crit rending" phenomena is just fatshark choosing to make crits do more damage and weakspots do less on those types with multipliers

Just like how the inverse is true on other damage types, and on others they're matched

[tall torrent]

don't think abt it too hard, it's all arcane maths

[last parcel]

so to summarize, fuck this dogshit game and anyone stupid enough to play it

[tropic notch]

Mad cause bad

[junior needle]

Most entertainment this game has provided me for months is some minor sleuthing in the psyk

[red robin]

man

I wanna download the mod power DI to track a match of my born leader las pistol build

i think concentrated fire is gonna make the las pistol essentially infinite ammo

[junior needle]

Laspistol becomes the better recon, again

[red robin]

its nuts what 15 stacks of marksmen focus does to the las pistol

its has wild base finesse modifiers on it

[junior needle]

And recons didn't get any of the really thematic blessings

[red robin]

god bless mods

there's one that adds full auto

[junior needle]

They didn't get any new blessings at all

[red robin]

carpal tunnel saviour

[fluid gust]

It doesn't say how much Concentrated Fire stacks

[red robin]

idk man

if it is a nutty amount

im game

even 15% is alot

if it winds up being 25%

it's joever

"Up to +2-5% Critical Chance on Chained Ranged Weak Spot Hit (Any Target)"

based off this wording, if I bodyshot or miss the stacks drop?

[fluid gust]

I love how the kantrael laspistol outdamages the kantrael XII lasgun so goddamn much

Stacks drop if you miss a head, yeah

[red robin]

ok

[fluid gust]

At least that's what I'd guess

[red robin]

still solid

[fluid gust]

Ghost + Desperado would be a good combo as well

[red robin]

true

[fluid gust]

• Reciprocity

[red robin]

ngl

i went into a match

and did not pull my melee out once

[fluid gust]

Though that'd also be reliant on enemies attacking you, whereas Concentrated Fire is more skill

[red robin]

las pistol wild

yeah

I liked ghost

but man

I could just dodge and weave these guys

[fluid gust]

Ghost Deadeye Duck & Dive is a classic combo

[red robin]

yummy

[delicate hornet]

is this headhunter blessing? if so it resets on regular crit so its not a massive bonus to critchance

[red robin]

that's for the las pistol

[fluid gust]

New blessing, incoming in the next patch

[red robin]

headhunter is worded so it resets the crit chances upon crit

i think that las pistol blessing is basically shred

[fluid gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1274438938651791440/Capture.PNG?ex=66e13c80&is=66dfeb00&hm=48e69bf938b773d522be886b1c8a451442ca1fdff19a89a89c947ad6143ff911&

[delicate hornet]

yeah just checked the notes, it seems like it will be a better headhunter provided you can keep hitting heads

[fluid gust]

Rat loves his laspistols...

[delicate hornet]

stacks will probably drop if u miss weakspots tho, thats typically what "chained" type stuff does

[red robin]

still huge in my book

[delicate hornet]

ye its easy as hell to click heads with the laspistol so itll end up being an easy crit boost

[red robin]

super true