veteran-class

[somber axle]

because if the cap for stats is still 80% then breakpoints don't change

and even if you can upgrade stats beyond 80% it feels like it'll be niche for what new breakpoints that unlocks

[oblique totem]

I don't think- Ack.

Rude.

[last parcel]

if it was the case, i think they would've mentioned it here but don't, so probably not

maybe they're lying to throw us off though 🧠

[oblique totem]

Never trust what they say.

Unless what they say lines up perfectly with what you thought was going to happen anyway. Or helps you win an argument.

[somber axle]

this sorta sounds like outside of some blessings becoming useable on weapons they previously weren't available on + potential new blessing ranks it's mostly just a quality of life change for the better for everyone?

and maybe some new cosmetics

and the train map

[midnight totem]

DARK SEMIARID TACTICAL POWER SWORD SKIN REEE

[last parcel]

smear it with poop to darken it and add poison damage

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-40k-warhammer40k-alfabusa-disgusting-gif-27598945

[last parcel]

and joining random lfg groups only to find yourself surrounded by the cult of lacerate/fleshtearer/critdmg/critchance

[somber axle]

Bloodtide begins soon

[umbral scaffold]

Yo

[faint beacon]

soytide

[umbral scaffold]

I can make a vet bleed build

We get rending shit

[cedar imp]

Best recon lasgun?

[junior needle]

2 or 7a

They're all fairly close but the 2 and 6a have noticeably better ammo efficiency than the 6d, while the 7a also has cleave

Noticeable cleave that is

[fossil basalt]

how do the marks of Duelling Sabres differentiate again?

[teal abyss]

Are bolt pistols any good at all? Quit playing before they were added and started back up recently but yet to get one

[junior needle]

There's only one, and uh

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[teal abyss]

Damn lol

[junior needle]

The weapon kicks before it fires last I checked

So it feels like shit because it refuses to aim straight

And is just overall inferior to the zarona

Maybe this has been fixed since I played last

But I doubt it

[teal abyss]

That’s whack but good to know lol thanks

[fossil basalt]

it's got a fun build with bleed and lethal proximity on a weapon specialist vet with a combat knife but the weapon has that issue

[junior needle]

Is lethal proximity the explosion

[fossil basalt]

believe so

[junior needle]

Because when I tested it last, the explosion did very low damage (about 50ish max) and bleed only applied to the main target hit

[last parcel]

we mean something else
https://streamable.com/h5swcc

skip to 0:40ish

[junior needle]

what am I looking it

[last parcel]

it increases frag radius too

[junior needle]

Fatshark in charge of making not spaghetti code

[last parcel]

[fossil basalt]

I like a mercy killer mkVI combat knife, it's very fun as a primer

just "no" everything in there

[junior needle]

Like a fair few of things in this game, the bleed/explosion needs some more support to change it from "fun" to "fun-ctional"

I still can't believe they didn't let that be a synergy combo from the start

[fossil basalt]

where's using my warp energy to extend my lasgun mag

[junior needle]

Much like bleed on the ripper guns

[oblique totem]

Anybody wanna kill heretics with me?

[last parcel]

i just loaded into a mael

[oblique totem]

I can wait three minutes

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II: Best ammo economy
Recon Mk VId: Fastest fire rate + biggest mag size
Recon Mk VIIa: Cleave

I could share the whole chart thing but generally for most targets DPS/TTK is on par

Recon Mk VId is the only one that can kill Crushers with any effectiveness

[oblique totem]

I feel like you've said that so many times it should be a pinned comment at this point

[somber axle]

You need Onslaught for good DPS/TTK on Crushers though

[last parcel]

we should have a servitor for this

[somber axle]

It's ok as long as I'm not asleep or at work and busy I can usually answer whenever it comes up

[oblique totem]

That is not how I would feel about it. At best, I'd have the whole thing on a doc somewhere and just copy paste all 34 pages whenever someone even hints at being curious.

Kudos to you.

[somber axle]

I feel like this is also the most important bit to contextualize the ammo differences here:

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

[austere mica]

It can also open bulwarks if you are particularly stubborn

[somber axle]

You're paying a premium for the cleave

The slow fire rate offsets the extra cost somewhat and it's still less thirsty than the VId on full magdump mode but it's noticeably worse in ammo economy than the II

Your fav or "best" Recon will vary depending on your playstyle

If you like playing a Recon like an Infantry Lasgun you'll probably enjoy the II or VIIa more. If you like playing a Recon like an Infantry Autogun/Braced Autogun you'll probably enjoy the VId more

If you lean heavily into melee and use your ranged weapon sparingly you'll probably not care about how bad the ammo economy is on the VId and VIIa compared to the II

If you lean heavily into ranged combat vs melee you'll probably enjoy the better ammo economy of the II

And all of this is talent tree dependent too

They're all really fun and really solid choices for all difficulties up to Auric Damnation Quickplay and Auric Maelstrom

[idle swallow]

behold my current vld recon freak talents, perfect no notes keystone more like cringestone

[somber axle]

I think I see that you really, really hate Crushers LOL

It's the true way to play the VId

Onslaught Rending Strikes Shock Trooper Bring It Down Exe Stance

[last parcel]

i can tell you eat auric storm survivors and suck toes

[somber axle]

and burn the Crusher's face off

[idle swallow]

imagine that edgelord game hatred except all the innocent civilians and cops are crushers

thats me in this setup

[somber axle]

Tbh my fav flip flops between the II and the VId depending on if I'm feeling Moebian 21st or Elysian Drop Trooper

The gun HAS to match the outfit

[idle swallow]

also it should be relentless on exe stance for that tree oopsie

[last parcel]

-respect

[somber axle]

I love them both

[faint beacon]

It truly is something watching a devil spawn I created further infect others

SILENCE I WILL TALK ABOUT GRENADIER LETHAL PROX

[junior needle]

To be precise, the "noticeably worse ammo economy" described here is in actuality about 2000 damage per reserve. They are very close, numbers here: #veteran-class message

[scarlet path]

My name is not important

All that matters is I kill heretics

[somber axle]

In numbers sure. In practice no. When the VId and VIIa are running into orange/red ammo territory the Mk II is still sitting pretty in yellow. The II stretches ammo to funny degrees. It's like the Mk IV Infantry Lasgun of the Recons when it comes to using ammo and making those shots last throughout a match effectively

[junior needle]

Oh excuse me, 2430 to be precise. So about 2.5k damage difference.

[somber axle]

Whenever you shoot a target you'll often have a fair bit of overkill

The VIIa is the worst offender

Because theoretically if you are ALWAYS cleaving poxwalkers

the numbers sound good on paper

but you're not always cleaving things

when it comes to shooting a single target down it suffers

[junior needle]

We've had this exact conversation before

Let's not do it again

[somber axle]

Yeah that's fair LOL

I've played with the three a bunch and tend to nudge people who like using their guns a lot toward the Mk II just because it can survive ammo goblin squads best

[junior needle]

The 2 also goes through its ammo slower, which artificially limits how much ammo you can expel in a given timeframe.

[somber axle]

I've used the other two variants in ammo goblin squads and have to fall into melee Vet hard to ration ammo

That's part of it yeah

Even if you're actively shooting as often as you can you'll go through ammo slower than a VId user who magdumps once every other fight

[junior needle]

So it can subjectively feel like it can fire longer and more in a given timeframe, even though on paper they are very similar.

[somber axle]

The speed the ammo disappears just means you hear the sad click of an empty gun more often

As long as you're progressing a map in a reasonable amount of time and not wasting ammo on hordes you'll be fine with the VId and VIIa

there should be enough tins and packs to go around normally

but wow I've loved using the Mk II most when it comes to rooms full of Gunners and Reapers wall to wall scattered behind cover

it feels like it sustains uptime on firing much longer

you can swap from head to head putting down traitors pretty easy at range

you have to be a little more careful with your shots on the other two and not just go wild splurging your ammo away

OH ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE

if you are a Weapon Specialist user then be aware you will drink your ammo even faster on the Recons

the funny fire rate on a Weapon Specialist Celerity Stim Recon Mk VId is addicting

[midnight totem]

fire rate go brr

[last parcel]

haha i love drugs

[somber axle]

but be careful how much you indulge that addiction or you'll be begging for spare ammo tins on the street corners

[midnight totem]

turning tricks for the Emperor, and an ammo pack

[somber axle]

US West Auric Damnation Quickplay has been really good lately. Lots of good players. Even the players that struggle seem able to hold their own as long as they don't get caught out solo, and they're good about sticking together for their own safety

Plus they share ammo and pick up medpacks/ammo crates!

[harsh rune]

any advice for going for the On Overwatch penance?

[midnight totem]

ew, us west

[last parcel]

clown, post the essay

[somber axle]

I have something that can help!

Lemme find it

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

It's helped a few people get it

[harsh rune]

tyty ill give it a try

[somber axle]

Keep in mind you can underhand throw shredder frag grenades without breaking Infiltrate stealth

You can also earn the penance on Malice

Malice Low Intensity would be the easiest place to get it

[severe gale]

idk why but i’m reading this like ur talking about them like they’re just entirely below u and it’s really funny

yeah “they” can hold their own

lmfao

[somber axle]

I'm not that good I promise LOL

[severe gale]

i honestly have no idea how good i am relative to like

[somber axle]

I can sometimes solo clutch but not consistently on Auric Damnation or Auric Maelstrom

[severe gale]

arco, josho, cole level

[midnight totem]

Sneaky is a clown, we're all below such majesty

[somber axle]

1v1ing the bosses is pretty easy (even if 1v1ing the Burgle is awful)

[midnight totem]

Thats why Jokers are the highest cards in the deck

[severe gale]

the most annoying boss 1v1 is chaos spawn honestly

burgle is whatever

tedious but easy

[faint beacon]

Throw a horde and A handful of specials and its considered a decent clutch

[somber axle]

they're the #1 fools but I'm #3 at best

[severe gale]

i rarely ever get into clutch situations and i kinda wish i did

[somber axle]

I'd love to be as cool as the Harlequins

[midnight totem]

you mean other then the, "Don't shoot, we come in peace!" while murdering everything

[severe gale]

guy named peace

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/prince-cartoon-animaniacs-animation-drawing-gif-6044491

[midnight totem]

you know, I'm gonna adjust this bolt pistol/knife build

[somber axle]

Chaos Spawn was scary but after learning to dodge under the right arm during the grab they became sorta easy. They're fast but as soon as you get the moveset down they're ok. Plogryns are easy. Burgles are easiest to fight as a group. Burgles are awful to fight 1 on 1. If the Burgle is constantly aggro'd you're dodging slime, trying to avoid puddle trails and you'll get very short windows of opportunity to hit the back outside of vomit time. It's just all around a slog to fight them

[midnight totem]

it is theoretically perfect, improved frags

can either use uncanny knives and mercy kill with the bleed

or lethal proximity with the bolt pistol

[severe gale]

plogryns are the easiest to 1v1, i only find chaos spawns annoying because of how fast they attack, you don’t have much room to actually retaliate

[midnight totem]

BUT

... what if I just use a bolter instead

[somber axle]

Anyway yeah for a while Auric Damnation Quickplay felt rough. Some people would just fall into the meat grinder and play selfishly. Speedrunning, stealing resources and then dying super fast to take all their ammo into the trash with their corpse

[severe gale]

burgles are just whatever, unless ur locked in an enclosed space they’re easy enough to kite and whittle down

[somber axle]

But lately it's been really good

[severe gale]

yeah, i haven’t had too many bad lobbies

had a match earlier with a 6 wound ogryn level 500

he died very fast

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

It used to be just Loner Knife Zealots speeding across the map to be 3 rooms away and dying alone to a hound/net but then suddenly more people started trying to do it too LOL

even funnier when the person who went speeding through the map solo begins spam pinging the trapper who netted them

[severe gale]

i rarely ever see that

[somber axle]

people are addicted to the speed

[severe gale]

am i the speed running zealot?

hmmm

time for introspection

[somber axle]

not all Loner Knife Zealots are equal

some of them are just forces of nature

[last parcel]

it's like how every family got the weird cousin

[severe gale]

yah i’m good at the game

[somber axle]

rats in a hellhole and they cannot be killed

they can be alone 3 rooms away and fine

[severe gale]

i have a gay cousin and a lesbian cousin so to complete the LGBT family community i am bisexual

[somber axle]

but newer Zealots who saw a Knife Zealot do crazy things can fall into trying to run off and die in a net/under a dog

[severe gale]

yeahh

[oblique totem]

All of my cousins are the weird cousin.

[last parcel]

what about the Transylvanian cousin

[severe gale]

also me

[last parcel]

[severe gale]

i picked up the slack

[last parcel]

credit to team

[oblique totem]

Punching a bit above your weight, aren't you?

[severe gale]

lmfao

[faint beacon]

Thats just any new player, see a higher skilled player doing crazy shit try to copy what they did and horrifically die

[somber axle]

when I see a new Vet trying to do Plasma/Power Sword/Voice of Command they're usually too slow to try speedrunning LOL

[radiant chasm]

these are also post nerf chaos spawn, release chaos spawn had insanely faster tempo

[somber axle]

the only time they end up on their own is if everyone is busy fighting something and the baby wanders off solo

[oblique totem]

Ugh. Now the game doesn't want me to play

[severe gale]

did they??

i do not remember that

i remember how easy plague ogryns used to be

[radiant chasm]

where if you didn't bother to time your blocks and dodges and just panicked dodge it would wombo combo you

[somber axle]

The Dark Souls Fatrolling equivalent of mobility as a Veteran doesn't let them try to run off solo like crazy Knife Zealots

[radiant chasm]

yes

[severe gale]

they need another buff tbh

i want plogryns to be harder

[crude fiber]

I've been getting netted more often recently. Probably a skill issue but I also had one where I stepped off some train tracks and was "in the air" so I couldn't dodge

[radiant chasm]

cspawns have been nerfed from release state, grab hitbox and their attack speed iirc

[somber axle]

Make bosses get an attack speed and movement speed buff from tox clouds

[midnight totem]

anyway, anybody up for a game?

[somber axle]

I want it back

[oblique totem]

Let the knife zealots go. They're great at drawing fire and making the ranged enemies expose themselves

[somber axle]

Can we get like

[oblique totem]

I'm trying to play now, but the game won't let me

[somber axle]

a Cultist Priest that begins chanting Nurgle nonsense and blesses random enemies in the area to be buffed like that Maelstrom modifier

but they can also buff bosses

[oblique totem]

No, a boss that can buff others

[midnight totem]

so kinda like the cult of admonition

priests

[oblique totem]

Bosses buffing bosses. Throw in a boss that can summon mobs and we have ourselves an infinite loop

[somber axle]

Traitor Sergeant shouting to make the 6th shooters fire faster, flak ragers run faster and attack faster, etc.

[crude fiber]

Unnamed boss like Ronda that buffs nearby enemies

[somber axle]

Tox Bomber + Priest buff or Tox Bomber + Traitor Sergeant buff would be hilarious

watch a room become a doom

[midnight totem]

traitor sargeant executes a random shooter in other to buff allies

[oblique totem]

That's why we have a grenade spam vet on call

[somber axle]

Ooo and maybe to make them stun immune/stagger immune/suppression immune

[oblique totem]

Just: "Right over there, officer. Get em."

[somber axle]

ok maybe not stun immune

being able to get out of a Zealot stun grenade would be bad

but a suppression immune Reaper would be much more of a threat

instead of dabbing 2 seconds into a fight they just keep shooting

[oblique totem]

I guess the fire grenade zealots would be useful here too.
I guess.

[midnight totem]

make them a priority target

like

when they die

enemies around them automatically get suppressed

[somber axle]

ok weird question how do people here even rank specials/elites on their priority list

[midnight totem]

"DEY KILLED OUR SPIKEY BOSS"

Trapper/Tox Bombers first

[oblique totem]

I do

[midnight totem]

followed by snipers

followed by bursters

followed by everything else

[oblique totem]

Tox bombers < Regular bombers < snipers < bursters

[faint beacon]

Honestly you know what I'd like to see as an enemy

Minelayers

They just fucking keep their distance like Tox Bombers and just set up random mines you can see on the ground

[somber axle]

Burster
Tox Bomber
Trapper
Hound
Flamers
Dreg Ragers
Snipers
Crushers
Bombers
Bulwarks
Scab Ragers
Reapers
Gunners/Shotgunners
Maulers
Mutant
Hordes

top to bottom clown priority list

[oblique totem]

Bursters over tox bombers?

[somber axle]

Yes always

If I hear one coming and it's close

and I hear a tox bomber in the distance

I'm getting ready to shove

I can't ignore the burster and just eat it to get a shot at the bomber

easy enough to shoot the bomber after shoving the burster

[oblique totem]

I would ignore the burster and go for the tox bomber.

I can deal with getting blown up, but I hate the gas cloud

[somber axle]

do you just outrun the burster on your heels while firing at the bomber

[faint beacon]

Bursters are instant damage + corruption

[somber axle]

or just eat the pop and continue shooting

[oblique totem]

Nah I just start shooting.

[faint beacon]

vs needing to move to avoid corruption

[oblique totem]

I run voice of command so. If it gets close I can pop that

Usually

[somber axle]

Bursters feel like a BIG chunk of easily avoidable damage and corruption
vs Tox Bombers being area denial and visibility reduction

ah ok VoC

[oblique totem]

Doesn't the gas also buff enemies?

[somber axle]

I run Exe Stance so my get out of jail free card is kill things before they get close

if a burster is close enough to be a couple seconds away from jumping I have to shove

[strange path]

Use the buster to rocket jump at the tox bomber and execute him

[faint beacon]

Yes, Increased Stagger and Cleave resistance

[somber axle]

yeah but aside from funny mach 5 muties I haven't really felt it being a problem

[severe gale]

this but instead chorus is replaced with a chant (making it an actual chorus) where the zealot is chanting (and can still attack) and as the chant progresses the buffs from it get stronger and stronger, and other characters under the effect of the chant may join in the chant/prayer

[faint beacon]

They also move faster

[somber axle]

I think it also gives damage resistance to enemies too

Crushers feel a bit tougher

[oblique totem]

The node you run would dictate your target priority, so I can see the reasoning there

[somber axle]

that would be really fun

[oblique totem]

I've noticed a big difference when they're in the smoke vs not

[strange path]

Burster. Rocket. Jump.

[severe gale]

damage resistance, stagger resistance, and they have a higher hitmass

[somber axle]

I read that and was so confused for a second

[midnight totem]

it does, its like, 15 or 20 percent damage resistance

[severe gale]

i want that so fucking badly but i doubt that it’ll ever happen

[oblique totem]

It is worth noting that, without exe stance, I can't see through the smoke

[somber axle]

exe stance doesn't let you see through tox clouds well either I think

[last parcel]

fear not, for THE MASTER guideth my bullets

[somber axle]

sometimes exe stance outlines just vanish when a tox cloud appears

[oblique totem]

Wrong chat, zealot

[somber axle]

it could just be me being colourblind though

bright yellow and bright green can mix LOL

[severe gale]

lmfao

it could be

[last parcel]

they do vanish sometimes

i can vouch for this because i am of perfectly sound health

[somber axle]

maybe a bug?

sometimes specials/elites maintain outlines through tox clouds and other times no

but it feels like it's usually no

so it sometimes showing through the clouds may be the bugged part

[oblique totem]

Finally got the game running. Anyone up for a few matches?

[marble mantle]

They would basically have to change everything that relic is. Which I mean, is fine, but I kinda doubt it’d happen

[last parcel]

let's a go

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-off-shades-mario-luigi-chris-pratt-the-super-mario-bros-movie-gif-15700143871107015353

Get in nerds, we're going to Atoma.

[severe gale]

ok now imagine it also inflicts a holy burn status effect on bosses

doesn’t have to do much just look cool

[marble mantle]

I mean to be fair I would like it more as anything other than what it currently is. I don’t really fuck with abilities that outright take you out of the fight

[severe gale]

yah ik what u mean

[marble mantle]

Even indom, which makes you put away your weapons, still has you actively participating in the fight

[severe gale]

indom?

oh

[marble mantle]

Bull rush

[severe gale]

the ofryn charge right

yeah

[marble mantle]

Yeah

Relic unfortunately kinda just exists as a “one player sacrifices their output to allow others a reprieve that they probably shouldn’t need”

It’s like VOC but if you somehow needed like 8 seconds of it

[oblique totem]

Nobody else?

[last parcel]

you're locked in here with me

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-out-gif-18252480

[last parcel]

[umbral scaffold]

Has anything changed significantly for the vet in the last 4 months

I have been gone for those 4 months

[oblique totem]

Didn't die as much as usual

[last parcel]

W

[midnight mesa]

Wtf does thunderous do again

I genuinely forgot and the description is just

<unlocalized blah blah blah>

[midnight mesa]

I genuinely fucking hate you

But thank you

[last parcel]

np

[midnight mesa]

I have it on a Rashad Axe

Those Crushers are not living

[faint beacon]

yeah honestly same

[midnight totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kMDl35G-Sc

[last parcel]

goes hard

guy who knifed the ork is built diff

[harsh rune]

ty so much for the help took me a few tries but I got it. Knowing its hp damage and not any melee its in general was a huge boon

[somber axle]

Welcomes! 😄

[midnight totem]

average knife vet gameplay

[mellow adder]

Which Infantry Lasgun is the overall best to use for a Vet Sniper build?

[junior needle]

1a is generally considered the best overall

[somber axle]

Probably Mg1a

Mk IV is too spammy for a sniper theme

XII has a slow fire rate that puts the DPS behind the Mg1a for boss damage/TTK on beefier targets and makes killing multiple targets slower

the only saving grace on the XII is that it's higher damage per shot means less investment on talents to hit breakpoints

[last parcel]

XIi got that mouthfeel

[somber axle]

so you can save talent points to shove elsewhere

[midnight mesa]

Genuine question

What is the OST at the beginning of this video:

https://youtu.be/q3QpmpMMu30?si=j6PWdrtrKhYMrZFN

[mellow adder]

I feel like this can be better, what do I need? new to Infantry lasguns

[midnight totem]

Change falter blessing to headhunter

And reload perk to your choice of

Elite, flak. Or unarmored

Probably flak

[mellow adder]

I dont have IV Headhunter yet but would IV infernus work instead of falter?

[midnight totem]

No

Infernus is not good on semiauto lasguns

If you don't got headhunter 3 or 4

Opening salvo works imho

[mellow adder]

Should be good until I get IV headhunter

[midnight totem]

More then good enough, yeah

[stiff glacier]

Then use executioner stance and lower in tree +30% weakspot damage and plus 15% damage on elites and you'll start slapping specials with oneshots

[mellow adder]

How is the new Itemization update going to work? Once we maxed out a tree in a weapon family we'll be able to have all maxed out perks and blessings?

[sinful swallow]

Yeah

As far as adding stats to make a gun 380

It's random

So you can make 550s but you'll still be looking for stat distribution

[trim steppe]

Something like that, its not fully clear yet.

[sinful swallow]

You'll be able to swap the mark of the weapon freely too though

Example this can become a Rashad

Since they're both combat axe familt

(inb4 bricked)

[hollow turtle]

Hold up... Is that a 40k Saltzpyre hat for the veteran?

[trim steppe]

One thing they noted in the latest Q&A is that if you have all T3 and T4 blessings for a weapon family going into the rework, it should max the mastery out for that weapon. So no need to collect T1/T2 blessings if you have the high tier ones

[sinful swallow]

Yeah

Also F in the chat for everyone who made level 11s and 18s to grind t1 and t2s

[hollow turtle]

Lol.

[sinful swallow]

I see you all and acknowledge you

[sinful swallow]

This is awesome

[sinful swallow]

Really wish bio eye wasn't tied to specific headpieces. This in both 40k and cyberpunk settings was always so cool to me

[trim steppe]

I didnt do this, I just shop camped for blues a few times a day on all my characters. I didn't waste much time, just 3 mil ordos

[lavish token]

dink my ink

[midnight mesa]

I bought

9 plasma guns

And they were all bad

Did brunt accidentally get angry and somehow damage like

An entire box of plasma guns

Ah yes 24% thermal resistance

Totally what I want

[frank ether]

9 is nothing

you need to spend on average 400k to 1m depending on your luck before brunt decides to give you a good roll

[midnight mesa]

Ah yes

I guess Brunt decides to fly into a rage

And destroy the fucking gun shipments again

[frank ether]

They put an ogryn in charge of your equipment

[midnight mesa]

I know

It truly shows how much they care for rejects

[frank ether]

lmao

[midnight mesa]

(THEY FUCKING DON'T)

It is the Imperium after all

[frank ether]

I've quit the game over this before

played a few months of helldivers and then came crawling back

[last parcel]

now you make hit records

[lavish token]

8 million on 2 pickaxes and one shotgun

[frank ether]

itemization genuinely sucks but at the end of the day the game is enjoyable, and helldivers simply isn't

[midnight mesa]

The worst part is that this current system is reminding me of a game

Called

Genshin Impact.

The artifact system is arguably just as bsd

[frank ether]

yikes that would make me flip a table

[lavish token]

16 on rolling a god Rashad

I’ll docket cap the next time a good map shows up

[midnight mesa]

So damnation gives you like

28k right

[frank ether]

And I thought my rashad luck was terrible

[midnight mesa]

How much does auric give you

I haven't tried it ywt

Yet

[lavish token]

19

40 something for auric dam

[frank ether]

the rewards you get for playing auric beats anything else even if you lose a lot of your games

[midnight mesa]

I want to try auric damnation but I fear that I will get shouted at

[frank ether]

compared to playing like say, regular heresy or whatever

[midnight mesa]

[lavish token]

75 ish for I-II-V-E-G

[frank ether]

auric rewards in ordo are way higher on average

and if you add some ordo reward curios it will make a massive difference over time

[lavish token]

83 for J-I-II-IV

[midnight mesa]

Well ig tomorrow I'll try out auric damnation on my veteran

If anyone gets me in their game

[last parcel]

i never got shouted at in aurics even when i run troll builds

[midnight mesa]

Uhhh

I'm sorry

[last parcel]

the worst i got was a guy typing out that im a useless immigrant before rage leaving

[midnight mesa]

What even counts as a troll build

Like all greys?

[lavish token]

I have spent 48 million rolling mk2 taxes on zealot

No perfect one

[midnight mesa]

Although some weapons are definitely stronger than others. I haven't found one that's

Useless

Yk?

[sinful swallow]

Krourk twin stubber has entered the chat

[frank ether]

if you're EU I can tag along but honestly you should be just fine

[midnight mesa]

Also what's the general suggested prefixes for the

Curios

[frank ether]

I'd just make sure your weapons aren't like, complete rubbish and have a sensible build

[midnight mesa]

Like do I just run all toughness, hp, and Regen?

[frank ether]

one big tip I'll give you is do not rely on coherency for toughness gen

have a build that can replenish your own toughness in a pinch

you have many talents and ults that do this

[sinful swallow]

Have them compliment your playstyle

I run +9 stam because I sprint everywhere and run Deadshot

[frank ether]

for curios I like to do 1 stam / 1 hp / 1 toughness for vet, if you play deadshot you could add as many stamina as you'd like and compensate toughness in talents.

[midnight mesa]

Yeah I think I have for the main stats

Health, 1 wound, and 1 toughness

[frank ether]

I'd recommend investing a bit into things like sprint cost or stamina regen in curio perks instead of like, specific enemy resistances, but thats just my take on it.

[midnight mesa]

I am thinking of replacing the wound with stamina tho

[sinful swallow]

But there's arguments to make for stuff like corruption resistance and sniper resistance to hit break points like snipers not one shotting, being able to eat 2 poxbursters, etc

[frank ether]

wound is a bit of a trap for veteran

[sinful swallow]

Wound is a trap because health stim replenishes 50% hp if you don't run wound

[midnight mesa]

So replace wound with either toughness or stamina

Actually stamina would probably be better

[frank ether]

stamina has most value for deadshot builds

but on its own

I like to run one stam on all builds

because on veteran you usually dont have stun immunity

therefore you want to push enemies to create space

you don't want to be stuck and get lynched

and then you have push attacks

you do some blocking unintentionally while pushing

or you sprint around

stam is useful

[sinful swallow]

Also rezzing allies

I can rez in a full horde as long as there's no crusher/mauler dance party

Don't always have to spend the 2 nades

[midnight mesa]

Maulers kinda suck cause they can kill in a single hit

But they're easy to dance around

Too bad they usually come with like

A horde

Also I still haven't gotten Long Shot despite trying to throw grenades in poxwalker hordes

They're supposed to hit 5 enemies before exploding right?

[sinful swallow]

Hourglass mid event with the fans

There's a guaranteed horde spawn far enough away that you can get it there at

If the nade travels far enough it'll detonate on impact

Pretty much as soon as you drop down from the balcony you'll see them spawn and come out at the other side with the button

You can also sit up top while an ally drops

[midnight mesa]

The refinery or relay station?

[sinful swallow]

Relay station

[midnight mesa]

So basically throw it far enough until it detonates on top of the enemies

And then get it

[sinful swallow]

Yeah

[midnight mesa]

And finally get the first part of For The Emperor

[sinful swallow]

[midnight mesa]

Out of 3

Oh yeah there's also the stupid Uhhh

No melee damage penance

[sinful swallow]

I got mine on smelter repair extraction

[sinful swallow]

Just don't take hp damage from melee, don't focus on this one it'll come with time

[midnight mesa]

Out of curiosity do smokes count

[sinful swallow]

Or cheese it by jumping off a ledge at start

No, and I wouldn't recommend doing it with krak either

[midnight mesa]

So only the shredder nades

[sinful swallow]

If you REALLY want to juice it, get lethal proximity on your bolt pistol

[midnight mesa]

Oh boy more blessing farming

[sinful swallow]

With the aoe talent that increases shredder radius

[midnight mesa]

My favorite

[sinful swallow]

[midnight mesa]

I don't even have many blessings

I have like

10 I think

Idk

[sinful swallow]

New or just haven't been chasing them?

[midnight mesa]

New

I started like around a month ago

My vet is level 30

Zealot 13, really need to level him up

[stiff glacier]

I think i got this with smoke grenade

[sinful swallow]

How was the new player experience for you

[midnight mesa]

And I'm probably gonna go for Ogyrn after leveling up zealot to 30

[midnight mesa]

Honestly the community is fun

Had some really nice interactions mostly

[sinful swallow]

Ogryn is so much fun to play

But I'm addicted to bolter

[midnight mesa]

When Heavy Bolter on Ogyrn

Trust me it can take it

If the Guard can use it

An Ogyrn eventually will

...

eventually

[sinful swallow]

Ogryns are like giving an 8 yr old something lol

[midnight mesa]

It would be funny if it was like

Visibly ripped off from like a stand

Since that's what Heavy Bolters are used on

[sinful swallow]

The machine spirits REALLY don't appreciate being handled by them either

[midnight mesa]

They're used as General purpose machine guns

So I can easily imagine an Ogyrn just

"Ooo look gun makes big boom"

"Hey buddy please don't take it off the Valkyrie. We need that for suppressing fi- and you already did it."

"This is gonna be fun..."

[sinful swallow]

[midnight mesa]

Like I can imagine the Ogyrn ripping it off similar to how Master Chief does for the machine guns

[sinful swallow]

Sah, I think the gun broke...

[midnight mesa]

"Nah just pull the trigger big man. Trust me"

[sinful swallow]

We pal chat now

[stiff glacier]

Comically large double barrel for ogryns

[sinful swallow]

It's 2 kickbacks duct tapped together

[midnight mesa]

Also want Power Fist for Zealot and Veteran.

Along with big fucking

Brass Knuckles for the Ogyrn

[stiff glacier]

"Boss said i can have two"

[midnight mesa]

Or maybe Gauntlets

[stiff glacier]

I want shield/nade gauntlet combo

For proper bulgryn

[midnight mesa]

Actually fuck it.

Weapons I want in this game

-Power Halberd (Zealot Exclusive)
-Plasma Pistol (All human sized)
-Melta Gun (Zealot and Veteran)
-Neural Whip (Zealot again)
-Power Fist (Zealot and Vet)
-Spiked Gauntlets (Ogyrn)
-Heavy Bolter (Ogyrn)

I would suggest some for Psykers but I haven't played them yet.

Probably should tho

[stiff glacier]

Psyker needs mostly new staves

And maybe non sword force weapons

[midnight mesa]

Maybe a Daemonhammer

Although it's rare

Only used by high ranking Inquisitors, Grey Knights, and respected chapters

[stiff glacier]

Hammer would be bit out of place for normal human psyker

Force knife or axe sould be intresting

[midnight mesa]

"I CAST"

"HAMMER TO THE FACE"

BOOM

[stiff glacier]

I prefer i cast buckshot

All shotties to psyker

Flechette lawbringer with scryers gaze pls

[midnight mesa]

I would suggest witchblades

But that's a Xenos weapon and the Imperium usually doesn't use those

So yeah probably Force Halberds, Force Axes, a Force Knife

[stiff glacier]

Its fine

Put purity seal on it

[midnight mesa]

Deathwatch moment

Yeah it's shocking how well equipped these Rejects are

[stiff glacier]

I would like rest of shotguns on psyker for sure

[midnight mesa]

Thunder Hammers, Power Swords, Plasma guns

It's a game though so that's why

Though I wonder what's the universe reason

[frank ether]

restrictions of gear are silly

some are sensible

[crimson pebble]

My reasoning for it is theyve got both inquisition and a rogue traders worth of armory at hand and you do only get those at a high enough lvl usually to be considered apart of the inqistors warband

[frank ether]

but mostly silly

[midnight mesa]

We do canonically become an Interrogator at level 30

[frank ether]

there is no logical reason for why a psyker can't just hold a shotgun or bolter

[stiff glacier]

Remember you rejects are levelled and weapons got unlock levels. So technically something like level 30 operative would be rare and they could be given rarer tech

Well bolter is more closely tied to guard and raving zealots rather than wizards

[midnight mesa]

Actually have a funny idea.

Have a "weapon" for the Psyker that's literally just them throwing bullets

I mean technically there's already a mind bullet spell

[frank ether]

they already have funny darts

[midnight mesa]

But have this one just be the Psyker throwing a fucking bullet and using their powers to make it fly with force

Actually fuck it. Make it a cannonball

TALLY HO LADS

throws cannonball with mind

[frank ether]

and they can already shoot ''magic bullets''

[midnight mesa]

explosion

[frank ether]

the only thing gun psyker lacks is ammo economy

but you get abilities instead

[midnight mesa]

Instead of lacking ammo

You get voices in your head

Fun trade off

[stiff glacier]

"Are you sure beloved i should blast that fanatic?"

[frank ether]

the concept reminds me of revenants in guild wars 2

except in that game you do get to hear your character talk to those spirits I guess

[stiff glacier]

My profile pic is the 99%peril psyker

[frank ether]

in this game its kinda up to you to decide if the psyker really does talk to their beloved or if its just good old schizophrenia

[midnight mesa]

Or if their beloved is a Daemon or the Emperor

Because the answer varies

On one hand it could be a daemon

On the other hand it could genuinely be a random tiny shard of the emperor

Because either way, the Psyker talks about shit they shouldn't know

Mostly about the past

Probably a Daemon

But then again the Psyker isn't floating with spikes so maybe it could be something else

Or looking like this

[stiff glacier]

"Oh look, stars."

[mighty anvil]

Smash next question.

[stiff glacier]

That head would burst like ripe tomato

[midnight mesa]

I think he might have a headache

Idk guys

I think if he takes some ibuprofen he'd be fine tho

[mighty anvil]

headtaker 4!!!

[ocean idol]

anyone else hates ogryns on any class?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[trim hemlock]

Nope

[tame lodge]

Good Ogryn bad Ogryn they still draw aggro

[ocean idol]

Ogryns always obscure vision and shots

[austere mica]

You can shoot through them with anything now at least

[tough tiger]

ogryns are great

i love ogryns

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[slow sky]

terrible stats
hold x

[warm harbor]

Once I was in a team with 3 ogryns

Felt like that girl of the meme with the black guys

[tough tiger]

you are the girl in that meme

now spread em

[thin stone]

Wtf

[merry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-disappointed-out-of-pocket-angry-wtf-gif-18848024

[uncut pebble]

Nah, ogryns do their best even if they hinder me a bit. Gotta learn to play around them instead of getting angry with them.

[hoary horizon]

Oi!

[hoary horizon]

I like you. And tbf vets, some of us try to get out of the line of fire, but were big, we cant help it sometimes.

[austere mica]

I personally do not care if I obstruct the line of fire, you can shoot through me

[uncut pebble]

Ogryns make up for their obstruction of sight by killing literally everything within arms reach before it can get to me.

[hoary horizon]

I mean ill mark the enemies for you guys if im in front

[uncut pebble]

It's a worthwhile tradeoff.

And yeah, they ping enemies so I can shoot them.

[hoary horizon]

Hell i love vets that kill any snipers

[uncut pebble]

Though typically I'm rubbing elbows with them because I'm a zealout main.

[hoary horizon]

Well

If you kill heretic your good with me

[uncut pebble]

Nothing feels better than watching a crusher about to overhead me get lobotomized by a pickaxe.

Point here is, ogryns good.

We like ogryns in this house.

[austere mica]

Nice boss you got there, be a damn shame if it was suddenly 135 rounds of achlys heavier

[uncut pebble]

Me, taking the time to line up a shot to drop a sniper:
(from behind me) "WILL ROCK YOU"

The sniper instantly explodes into a bajillion pieces.

[hoary horizon]

Oh man! Today is grea- IS THAT A DOWNED LIL UN IN A HORDE?!?!?! "OUT OF THE WAY!" proceeds to revive the adorable lil un

[austere mica]

I love the gib where they are a red bubble for like 3 frames

[hoary horizon]

Bootiful

[real iron]

hmm

i got one more modification slot for the Kantrael MG Ia

what should i add

[austere mica]

What does it have on it

[real iron]

it got

20% Damage to flak and carapace

and for the blessings

one added by me

Headhunter and Deadly Accurate

[austere mica]

Pull carapace for a different armor type

[real iron]

Maniac?

[austere mica]

Probably

[supple stag]

Get 25% Maniac tbh

[austere mica]

I don’t know too much about inf las’s

[supple stag]

Shit on them ragers

[real iron]

yeee

i usually use the

columnus mk5

this is just another build, in case i get bored of that one

[supple stag]

Lasgun is just a funny laser DMR

If you can hit them heads

[real iron]

i used to run MG IV

[austere mica]

If you can’t grab a recon

[real iron]

in 2023 november

now i heard MG Ia is better?

[real iron]

the recon i got

[supple stag]

Ia variant has better breakpoints

[real iron]

has 60% + on all

lowest is mobility 61%

and i got

[supple stag]

But shoots slower and has lower ammo capacity

[real iron]

20% unyielding and 25% flak on the recon lasgun

[velvet wyvern]

Ia and IV have similar theoretical DPS, but Ia’s breakpoints are more practical.

[supple stag]

Overall I'd say Ia is the best out of Infantry lasguns

[real iron]

so, MG Ia is better

and for the blessings on the recon lasgun, i got Infernus and Hit and Run

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

[supple stag]

Infernus ain't bad, but it depends on which recon lasgun

[real iron]

VId

[supple stag]

Wouldn't pick it for VIIa

[velvet wyvern]

Definitely want dumdum instead. Infernus is fine, but not all it’s hyped up to be.

[austere mica]

Oh then that’s a solid 2.5/4

[velvet wyvern]

For VId that’s fine.

[real iron]

so

should i add Dumdum instead of hit and run?

[austere mica]

Or headhunter for procs

[supple stag]

Just get headhunter instead of hit and run and replace unyielding with maniac

[real iron]

i got one modification left

[austere mica]

Headhunter

Unyielding is ok

[supple stag]

Headhunter with shock trooper talent will make you eat less ammo

Which is really good for recons

[austere mica]

And also proc infernus

[real iron]

i should add headhunter instead of hit and run

alr

[summer mason]

one of these days they'll bring back the trench coat, then i can finally complete my inquisitor glam

[ocean idol]

if only

[ocean idol]

Well i don't

Fuck ogryns

fuck ogryn players

Fuck me

Fuck you

Fuck everything

[atomic zephyr]

man am i glad the crafting system is getting redone

hadron just bricked a 377 laspistol i got

[magic trout]

Dont spend materials on weapons atm, save your weapons until update

[uncut pebble]

Methinks you need to sit down and really rethink the way you approach this game if that's the attitude you're gonna have...

[serene bough]

hold onto it

glad the crafting rework is coming but tbh im more interested in the new mission

[hoary horizon]

Your getting revived despite your lack of understanding. Your hate towards my kind will not go unnoticed. But as an ogryn i shall keep doing my job and protect the team. But you shall be awarded no rashuns.

[atomic zephyr]

i have a shitload just lying around ive got no reason not to try

ogryn man good
i just got out of an assassination mission where the zealot and psyker went down before the boss arena

ogryn drew aggro for me while i shot all the baddies in the face with my pistol

[hoary horizon]

I wanna get a burst fire autogun but i dont have the patience to gamble with it

[magic trout]

Itsfunny but very common 🤔

[atomic zephyr]

real

people dont use stimms enough i find, concentration stimm saved my ass

[hoary horizon]

Listen, if we gotta get hit we get hit. Better than you lil uns getting hit

[atomic zephyr]

three back to back shouts is op af

im not even sure how they went down
zealot ran to the far end of the room, got netted and then downed, we picked him up and then he got downed again
psyker got bullied into the corner by a bulwark and crusher

[hoary horizon]

PSYKER I FEEL BAD FOR

[atomic zephyr]

yeah the psyker just got rocked

zealot was a little too eager lol

[hoary horizon]

Zealot... not so much... psyker are my bestest friends in the game. Alongside vets.

Zealots are cool. So long they behave well.

[atomic zephyr]

zealots are either extremely helpful or completely useless

i say this after hopping on my zealot for a run and realizing that i missed the shooty shooty

[hoary horizon]

Best case for a bad zealot is being unremarkable. Its not a bad thing either

[hoary horizon]

Im sure your fine

[atomic zephyr]

i went down more than i would like on a regular high intensity, im just not as good at melee lmao

[magic trout]

A moment ago we were playing a maelstrom danmation the zealot, psyker and me (vet) , clandestinum gloriana a the fourth player another Vet with knife and revolver, running like a marathon and dying in the procesd, saying that we were slow and he cleaned all the zone before we pass through.
He was saying this while waiting to be rescue 😒

[atomic zephyr]

LOL

what a classic

[magic trout]

Psyker crowd control is the best friend of everyone, even if they are creepy... 😅

[hoary horizon]

If the zone was clean why did you guys still have to fight? Sounds like lies to me.

[hoary horizon]

Bah, not creepy... just a little sure but very friendly

[magic trout]

Thats the point 🤣

[hoary horizon]

Man, i reckon Murf would have a field day with that vet. "Yer too fast sah... need a rope round yer waist yeh?"

[atomic zephyr]

oh if you guys havent tried it, i recommend giving stealth sniper vet a shot

vraks 7 kicks ass

[hoary horizon]

Look at this beautiful baby boi

[faint beacon]

Pearly whites

[hoary horizon]

If i play vet im a stealth horde clearer

[magic trout]

I do this for my suport/rescue build

[lusty sapphire]

He's so handsome

His mama surely loved him a lot

[hoary horizon]

Canonical too. Despite him being an ogryn, he was told the Emp'rah loves white theets

[hoary horizon]

She sure did. Murf is the dumbest bone'ead and i love him

Murf is the kind of ogryn to respect veterans the most. When Murf thinks it hurts, so if the tiny guys think a lot they must be strong right?

[faint beacon]

Bro I literally just head-cannoned my vet as an Absolute POS Ex-Hiveganger that’s from Armageddon

Why I had to choose LC for him

[atomic zephyr]

i larp as a cadian sergeant

laspistol and chainsword

[hoary horizon]

Based

[hoary horizon]

Based

[faint beacon]

He’d most likely come from Hive Hades seeing that’s where they got a lot of their Hivegangers from in the Steel Legion

[hoary horizon]

Ooh steel legion is he?

[faint beacon]

Correct

[hoary horizon]

I like em

I head canon my psyker (Somia) as a daughter of a founding family in Pavane. Tho she cant remmeber much, neither does her beloved want to tell her.

[ocean idol]

My getting revived what?

also no, most ogryns don't even revive

[plucky pewter]

Neat. My headcanon veteran was a tank commander who got traded around regiments because of his expertise with Hellhounds and the Leman Russ Executioner.

[faint beacon]

I don’t revive if it’s too risky and I’m willing to take certain level of risks, I pulled a clutch for not reviving cause your team decided to split up after someone got insta’d by a Plogryn and I had to basically solo a Horde and the Boss because the two others got killed

[lusty sapphire]

I chose cadian. The flying rocks were too funny

"Yeah that debree is my homeworld"

[uncut pebble]

Was.

[faint beacon]

We frag our commissars with shredders in this regiment, send a bunch of us to die sleep with one eye open

[ocean idol]

Why no one chooses lowest height lmao

[magic trout]

Blessings for munitorum shovel horde clear?

[faint beacon]

SIM shovel?

[lusty sapphire]

Cause I like seeing over boxes

[hoary horizon]

Revive you! The team! My main priority

[uncut pebble]

He is just mad, big man.

[hoary horizon]

Either their newer, dont know the ability to help revival. Or your just mean to em, your answer is in there.

[uncut pebble]

It's probably that he's just mean.

[mental cloud]

Ulgo you can be in my team anytime!!!

[lusty sapphire]

He is a salty dwarf

[hoary horizon]

I will give people benefit of the doubt

[uncut pebble]

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt, Slab.

[lusty sapphire]

Ignorance is bliss for a reason. Just keep smashin and following what big hat man tells you to do

[ocean idol]

right, newer people on Auric

and i never say anything

because it is pointless

[last parcel]

and now we know

[faint beacon]

Do people just not toss grenades near the downed teammate for an easier revive?

[grand perch]

true to real life

[last parcel]

using achlys on short characters

[idle swallow]

fact: 5'3" people are 1/4th the height of 6 foot tall people

[arctic rampart]

That's what you get for using the english system. The emp does not will it.

[ocean idol]

excuses

[scarlet path]

Holy fuck i have not seen the "Slap your shit" meme since i used to still play on mario kart tf2 maps

[ocean idol]

There was a common meme?

[scarlet path]

OG internet meme from like

08

OLD SHIT

[hollow turtle]

After playing the new interzone map and the carnival part 2 map, I now understand why a lot of people don't go for those choices often.
It's a long walk

[serene bough]

personally those are my favorite maps

i do think the vol 3 soundtrack is kind of lacking compared to vol 1 & 2

when i think about it all the maps they released over time tend to be my favorite

the originials arent bad but the newer ones feel more dynamic

love the carnival district the most so far

[midnight totem]

I'm in a mood to shovel and boltgun heretics

[faint beacon]

Telling me you’re not a fan of very little cover on a majority of the map

[serene bough]

i like the new map but ascension riser is bad

[thin stone]

What's a good catachan mk sword?

And what should be the perks, blessings and stats on it?

Anyone?

[midnight mesa]

Actually uh

Related to the Catachan MK sword

How tf does the parry work

[tame lodge]

Parry everything in the game (except grabs and ranged)

360 degrees

Costs stamina

[ocean idol]

parry so op

[midnight mesa]

So like for example

If a mauler begins to swing

Do I press the funny parry button

[thin stone]

Maybe

[thin stone]

What about this

[tame lodge]

Costs less stamina if you parry right before you get hit

[midnight mesa]

different mks have different movesets so it depends on what you want

[thin stone]

I want something fast

[midnight mesa]

MK 1 is the fast board swinging one

MK 4 is the heavy hitter I believe

[uncut pebble]

Yes, you can parry any melee attack in the game. Mauler and crusher overheads need perfect parries.

[terse idol]

Mk4

[uncut pebble]

As for the "best" dclaw, the mk4 is regarded as the best moveset.

[midnight mesa]

and MK 7 is the inbetween

[terse idol]

What else is good...

Rampage

Wraith

[thin stone]

I want good hordeclear yeh

[uncut pebble]

Perks should be flak and unarmored(?), blessings should be rampage and wrath.

[terse idol]

Rampage, Savage sweeps

[midnight mesa]

fast swings for hordes, heavy swings for not crowds

[terse idol]

Rampage, wraith or rampage savage sweeps is alriight

[uncut pebble]

Nope, the h2 is a horizontal cleave.

[thin stone]

Better, what's the best weapon for horde clearing?

[uncut pebble]

L1 > H2, repeat.

[thin stone]

I'm struggling a lot with horde

[uncut pebble]

Mk13 chainsword is best for chaff.

[terse idol]

Powersword with pc4

[midnight mesa]

What does the unarmored blessing apply to btw

[terse idol]

Or a god roll rashad

[thin stone]

I kept getting decent chunks of my health bitoff

[midnight mesa]

Rashad my beloved

[terse idol]

Gotta practice mixing in blocking

And shoving

[midnight mesa]

Mfs be like "oh hey check out this cool chainaxe"

"check out this power sword"

[thin stone]

Right, is block 360⁰?

[midnight mesa]

Rashad

[terse idol]

Don't over-spam dodge

[uncut pebble]

Dreg gunners, dregs, and scab bruiser heads are unarmored.

Flak and unarmored will cover most everything chaff.

[terse idol]

Yah but blocking things behind you takes more stamina iirc

[thin stone]

That's what I tend to do right now while I panic

[uncut pebble]

Parry will kill anything that isn't chaff.

[terse idol]

You want to just learn how to push, block and stuff

[terse idol]

Yeah you gotta condition yourself

[thin stone]

Ok

So umm, what's the weapon you recommended?

[midnight mesa]

do i use parry instead of block generally

[uncut pebble]

Teaching your hands to play this game instead of letting your reflexes take over is paramount to your success.

[thin stone]

True

[terse idol]

Only dodge when you need to because getting into the rythmn of over-dodging will hurt when you need to actually dodge something you can't block

[thin stone]

This game is very tiring ngl

[thin stone]

Lot of active mental focus needed

[uncut pebble]

Parrying is better for elite killing. Ragers can be 1tapped but typically it requires two parries.

I wouldnt really try parrying mid horde.

[midnight mesa]

I like it because it requires focus tbh

Very skilled based

[uncut pebble]

Unless you've somehow trained the enemies to funnel at you one at a time.

[midnight mesa]

But yeah it is exhausting

Damnation when they spawn in 4 crushers at once in a hordE:

[uncut pebble]

You'd do better to use your stamina on a push instead of a parry or block in a horde.

[thin stone]

True, but it's not good for a student like me who is already exhausted from life, which is why I only try to play on Fridays or weekends lol

[midnight mesa]

yeah fair

[terse idol]

I'm just used to playing from like vt2

[midnight mesa]

itemization should help the load

[terse idol]

[midnight mesa]

since you don't need to grind as much anymore

[thin stone]

Yeh, itemization should help

So umm, what about the horde clear weapon

[midnight mesa]

depends which class

[thin stone]

Should I get some catachan devils sword?

[midnight totem]

I hope its because you're learning about the GLORY OF THE IMPERIUM that you don't have time to kill heretics!

[thin stone]

Vet boi

[thin stone]

[midnight totem]

I'd recommend picking up one or two devil claw swords

[midnight mesa]

Catachan, Sapper Shovel

[midnight totem]

they're fun

[midnight mesa]

Basically anything with "Crowd Control" in it

[uncut pebble]

Like I said earlier, a mk13 chainsword is the de facto best horde clear weapon in the game.

[midnight totem]

MK4 is widely regarded as the best moveset

[thin stone]

Devils sword?

[thin stone]

Ooh that's cool, I'll go for that

[midnight totem]

because the heavy cycle is strike down, then across vanguard

[thin stone]

Do you do big sweeps with it?

[uncut pebble]

Be aware, though, that chainswords are a pain in the ass to roll.

No it's a light spam weapon.

[midnight mesa]

agony

[uncut pebble]

Swings really fast and you take wrath on it for good cleave.

[thin stone]

So just spam left mouse button?

[midnight mesa]

[last parcel]

five. hundred. chainsword blessings

[uncut pebble]

Yup, just spam lmb.

[thin stone]

What are the perks, stats and blessings?

[uncut pebble]

Uhh...

Stats, I don't remember.

[midnight mesa]

Khornates often fall to chaos

Not because they fell into battle

[terse idol]

Depends how fast it is to grind mastery
Itemization will help when you know how to build ze weapoons

[midnight mesa]

But because they fell trying to FUCKING GET THE RIGHT BLESSI

[uncut pebble]

Perks are still gonna be unarmored and flak, blessings are gonna be wrath and either rampage or shred, iirc.

[midnight mesa]

at least it's a guarantee

like y'know what you will get and choose

instead of

gambling

just like genshin impact (tm)

my favorite ga-

seriously though if a system for a paid game is just as painful as a F2P gacha

There's something wrong

[thin stone]

How's the other chainsword ? @uncut pebble

I have one that's 380

[tall torrent]

Mk4 is better

[lavish token]

mk7 hs

[thin stone]

Flak + Carapace

[lavish token]

oh this is vet chat

lmao

[tall torrent]

Mk13g is PA > [H3 > L3] loop

[thin stone]

[lavish token]

mk4 chaxe both power blessings

[thin stone]

What do those magic numbers mean

[midnight mesa]

Better for shredding bigger folks

[uncut pebble]

Push attack, heavy, light.

[tall torrent]

Push attack -> [heavy 3 -> light 3]

[terse idol]

Push attack, Heavy combo 3, Light 3?

[thin stone]

Ohk

[midnight mesa]

All I call say is

"The chainsword has developed little since the Dark Age of Technology. As a brutally effective tool against heresy, why fix what isn't broken?"

[tall torrent]

They’re pretty similar, mk4 is just the better one

[thin stone]

I got a very decent chainsword I guess

What are the blessings and perks on MK4?

I got 25 flak and 25 Carapace on mine

[tall torrent]

Savage sweep + shred prob

[thin stone]

[tall torrent]

Flak + elite/maniac

[thin stone]

I got rampage and savage sweep

[dire olive]

Still great

[tall torrent]

Still good

[thin stone]

Cool cool

And I heard they will remove the locks?

With itemization update

[lavish token]

yes

all locks

[midnight mesa]

Also I am praying

that the next update

QoL

let me see stats

let me see how many heretics I murdered

what type

overleveled

etc.

I don't want to install mods for something

that should be in the base fucking game

[midnight totem]

Wish granted

Just pay 40 bucks for a QOL dLC