veteran-class

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/hm-gif-24606491

I actually have a question about the graia brauto

It feels as though each bullet does less damage, sort of how the recon lasgun felt, where it seemed to take way more hits to put something down

So my question is: Is that what is happening or am I just imagining things?

[primal remnant]

recon 6d

[oblique totem]

Hm. Alrighty then.

[terse idol]

Well you gotta test

[oblique totem]

I try but I can't actually tell

[primal remnant]

Graia brauto has 800 braced, recon 6d has 1000.

[somber axle]

Thanks for the info!

[oblique totem]

It shoots so fast

[primal remnant]

its worth noting that the graia brauto has two fire rates

[oblique totem]

Braced and not braced?

[primal remnant]

Braced is 800 and unbraced is 666

[oblique totem]

Ominous

[last parcel]

sacrifice is going on tonight

[primal remnant]

get your behelits ready

[oblique totem]

I left mine at home, can we reschedule?

[last parcel]

there are no late members, only those who are left behind

[oblique totem]

Oh come on. Just give me a few hours.

It'll be worth it, I promise.

[balmy flume]

Right. Time to chill farm some penances before bed…

(Mostly mission completion lol)

[faint beacon]

So excited to get on Darktide only to immediately hear “Aren’t you full of vigor! What a feast you’ll make!”

[balmy flume]

Also enjoy my Bolt Pistol fix.

(Lol)

Well.
Maelstrom auric on new map.
Hopefully my lucky night and knock that penance out.

[last parcel]

or maybe you die a horrible death

[balmy flume]

I did.

[last parcel]

relatable

[balmy flume]

Lol, try 2

[junior vortex]

any recomandations for perks and blessings for mk7 recon lasgun

[last parcel]

headhunter dumdum
flak maniac

[junior vortex]

i was thinking for deathspiter and headhunter

ah ok

ty

[scarlet path]

I use Infernus IV and Dumdum IV on my Vld recon

It shreds and the fire damage is nice

(Keep in mind I am a Malice gamer)

[last parcel]

deathspitter is nice but only gains stacks through close ranged kills (<=12.5m)
dumdum stacks with repeated hits at any range so its easier to build/maintain when shooting beefier targets
outside of close ranged, deathspitter maintains the full power boost but you won't be gaining stacks. dumdum's boost tapers off but you'll maintain stacks

infernus is fun too but that's less of a VIIa thing because fire rate

[gilded rock]

Infernus can be good because of the cleave applying to multiple enemies and it's funny but yeah dumdum preferred

[mortal orbit]

That set up will shred any difficulty

[scarlet path]

It truly do go

[hollow turtle]

That's heresy. Off to Heresy with you.

[scarlet path]

https://tenor.com/view/tangled-dragged-no-help-flynn-rider-gif-6104364

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/tales-of-heresy-kldpro-vesp-eldar-gif-16165922775068830187

[scarlet path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJy38HNjMU

This is better

[rocky trellis]

Kentucky Fried Movie is great

[junior vortex]

nice ty for explaation

now i have to get that blessing

hopefully daily shop will help me

do all the lasguns share the same blessings or i have to get that blessing on another mk 7 lasgun?

[inland orchid]

if they share the same weapon name they'll share the same blessing

a good example being the difference between a recon lasgun and a infantry lasgun

they may both got lasgun in the name but that sadly doesnt mean they share blessings

the Pattern of the weapon type doesnt matter i.e MK 7, 5, wtv

so u can yoink a blessing from a different mark gun to slap on another one, they just need to be the same weapon type

hope that wasnt too wordly a explanation

[marble mantle]

Too many words sah

Try less words sah

[inland orchid]

got u hug

If weapon same shape weapon share blessing

[marble mantle]

Fank ya sah

[inland orchid]

not a problem

[marble mantle]

Hug still not get but Hug appreciate

[junior vortex]

Ok ty

[vapid orchid]

so I just hit 30 any advice on getting a decent build together?

[last parcel]

simplest start is by grabbing these

[vapid orchid]

thanks I was meaning more in terms of gear the loot/crafting system is a little opaque

[lusty sapphire]

You need to be specific

Every gun has its quirks

But baseline, you can make any weapon work as long as you play it right

Come here with a weapon you want to build up and someone will eventually help

[idle swallow]

always take +stamina perk on every weapon, very important

[heavy rover]

i raise you, recon mk VId with deadshot

plus celerity stim

[crimson pebble]

@somber axle you seem to be big on vet numbers after looking at the tree 33% from close order drill 5% from a node 10% from another node and 50% from iron will adds up 98% toughness dmg reduction is this real or is their some multipcative additive nonsense taking place

@tall torrent also if you know

[last parcel]

they're all multiplicative
edit: i should specify that the final tdr from close order drill is multiplicative but stacks additively within itself (.11 + .11 + .11), unlike exhilarating takedown, so there's the nonsense

.67 * .95 * .9 * .5 = .286
so ~71% tdr unles i brane fart

[uncut pebble]

Backup is simultaneously capable of delivering the most drool inducing brain rot through uwuspeak and handing out the most precise information possible at any given moment.

Truly, the duality of man.

[tall torrent]

no

The 5% TDR node is additive with 10% TDR

So u get x0.67 x0.85 x0.5 = x0.28475 = take 28.5% of toughness damage

[last parcel]

ooh even better

[crimson pebble]

So 69.5 actual dmg reduction or am i interpreted that wrong

[inland orchid]

Nice

[umbral scaffold]

Nice and a half

I avoid that

[tall torrent]

What

How do u get that number

[crimson pebble]

It came to me in a vision

[tall torrent]

28.5% damage taken = 71.5% damage reduced

[gilded rock]

No I don't think that's right

[tall torrent]

Do the maths urself

[gilded rock]

I don't need "math", only what the powers that be whisper into my ear

[last parcel]

fuck math all my homies do meth

[inland orchid]

Math is meth, just turn the a upsidedown

[serene bough]

chill walter

dont be cookin meth in vet chat

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-cells-unlock-your-brain-gif-14425366

[pine snow]

either of these 2 worth grabbing?

[radiant chasm]

only if you want to save wrath to put on an mk13g, mk4 prefers savage sweep and that one has low shredder

[pine snow]

will wrath be available to stick on once the crafting rework comes around since its the same family?

[lunar jasper]

I hope that’s a feature

[radiant chasm]

once crafting rework comes along all stored blessings will be converted to mastery while weapons in your inventory remain unchanged

[wicked epoch]

would a max toughness vet be viable

as many toughness perks, all toughness curios

voc

[tall torrent]

U still would want 200+ health and 20% sniper resist

Outside of that it’s basically whatever u want to run

[wicked epoch]

i want 300 toughness damnit

[hallow parcel]

problem is that health gives much greater returns due to the higher base

[tall torrent]

No longer possible

[hallow parcel]

I remember in beta toughness stacking was legit

[wicked epoch]

heresy

[tall torrent]

No, veteran scales rly well with toughness

It’s just that health defense breakpoints matter more

Highest possible veteran toughness rn is like 274

[slow sky]

what exactly did you want on a xiiig chainsword for vet
helping a friend get a better one than this

[tall torrent]

wrath + shred
Flak + carapace ?

Carapace I think gives u crit weakspot rev H1 crusher

Maniac and elite are also fine

Crit chance even tbh

[hallow parcel]

so in terms of effective HP, stacking health to a certain point is better than toughness

Part of that reason is that even with all the toughness damage reduction, you still have a much smaller base to work with, which makes gaining it too much of an oppertunity cost

[tall torrent]

Effective health is a very weird concept

[hallow parcel]

I played EVE

and POE

I'm used to it lol

[tall torrent]

You take health because u want defense against enemies that outright bypass toughness most of the time

That’s the main reason for health

If those attacks didn’t exist, toughness stack on veteran is better

[hallow parcel]

but they do, and here we are

[tall torrent]

And it’s not like u can’t do both

Usually 180+ toughness is good enough for veteran and it’s not really hard to reach

You can easily reach that while getting 200+ health and 20% sniper resist

[hallow parcel]

I personally don't run primary stat toughness. I throw 5% on each and run wound, stamina, health. I over-value stamina though

[crimson pebble]

Whoops all stamina curio knife

[slow sky]

the stats are sad but this is the one he chose to upgrade

[wicked epoch]

he chose to die

simple as that

[midnight totem]

-stretch- that was the wildest hist I've done in a while

[tall torrent]

Usable not great

I don’t like Mk13g much tho

Mk4 is miles better

[slow sky]

definitely better than what he was using previously

was just a stat stick before

[tall torrent]

Would recommend dropping +wound if you’re more experienced at the game

[midnight totem]

just nonstop specials, two bosses, and hit with a horde every other step. God I love the chaos

had to conserve ammo, killed most of the specials with my sword, still made it to the final boss (it was an assassination) with nothing left at all

[hallow parcel]

I am and I've considered it. Especially with the health booster mechanics and them actually fixing grimoire corruption resist

[tall torrent]

Not sure why u need grimoire resist

[hallow parcel]

you don't

[midnight totem]

because hes picking up grimoires

[slow sky]

?
health boosters are more effective the less wounds you have

[hallow parcel]

that's what I mean

[midnight totem]

oh he's not, nevermind

[slow sky]

oh i thought you meant that you were using wound cuz of how they worked

[hallow parcel]

I am considering dropping it because of health booster mechanics

[tall torrent]

Stop considering and just drop it lol

[slow sky]

plus at higher level stuff, half the time if you go down, youre not going to be in a position to be picked up anyway

lotta good those wounds do you there

[hallow parcel]

I'm not making an argument to keep it lol

[midnight totem]

if you haven't dropped it yet you are making an argument to keep it

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[radiant chasm]

grim resist works fine

generalized corruption resist is just better than it in every way

[hallow parcel]

McFucker I don't even have the game open right now

[midnight totem]

well what are you waiting for?

KILLING HERETICS WAITS FOR NOONE

[last parcel]

that reminds me of the vid where the guy says "THIS is h ow you eat a big mac" then sticks his dick between the patties

[radiant chasm]

huh

[midnight mortar]

*no one

[radiant chasm]

anyways

weapon spec dbarrel is probably the most fun i've had in the game in a while

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-among-us-airpods-amogus-gun-gif-20665741

[fading yarrow]

Is Executor fine or is it not as good as Uncanny

[midnight totem]

its good

[radiant chasm]

Uncanny is best but both perks are bricked

[midnight totem]

uncanny is still the best, executor, mercy killer are good secondary blessings

[radiant chasm]

swap executor to uncanny and save for crafting update

actually swap neither since you have niether blessing discovered

[crimson pebble]

Little sprint efficiency never hurt

[last parcel]

block efficiency for that one asshole who tries to lick your taint when you’re push attacking

[midnight mesa]

So what would generally be the best for relic substats

I was thinking of like

Toughness Regen, Toughness, and Max Health

[crimson pebble]

Relic

[midnight mesa]

Fuck too much hsr

[midnight mesa]

*Curios

Sorry I play another game that has a similar system

[thick needle]

How do yall think I should finish up this sword

[last parcel]

hammer -> rampage
groaner -> flak

[thick needle]

The one blessing I don't got lol

[last parcel]

not even t3?

hadron hates you

[umbral scaffold]

kinda wondering how to optimize my lasgun talents, i usually just use vld with this but sometimes i throw laspistol or helbore to change it up. should i go WS maybe or drop 10% melee and get a Focus Target upgrade?

i really like my melee talents dont wanna compromise on them (and i already have by losing agile engagement)

could i try your build ?

[bleak dome]

Is this worth keeping?

[umbral scaffold]

i mean if you are using a lasgun of some kind im sure its fine why not

my veteran is just lvl 11 so my lasgun is kinda poopie but i enjoy them

[umbral scaffold]

the modifiers are perfect, absolutely keep it

[bleak dome]

sweet ty any suggestions for perks/blessings?

[umbral scaffold]

well it came with Maniac which is one you want

Im not sure of the other. For blessings you want Manstopper and im not sure of the other

thats a god gun psure

cuz when craft update come out u can farm blessings for it

[idle swallow]

Just have melk or brunt sell manstopper the first time you check ez pz

[bleak dome]

oh already have that its odd there is only the T2 version of it

[umbral scaffold]

manstopper is only t2 yes

[bleak dome]

so replace terrifying?

[umbral scaffold]

yep

you can only stop so many men

[idle swallow]

But until you get it probably go either both barrels or deathspitter or speedload

[bleak dome]

this is it now

[umbral scaffold]

its a beauty man congrats

idk abt second perk or* blessing so just wait on those its perf to send matches with now til u know for usre

[bleak dome]

I also have the Flechete blessing for 4 stacks of bleed...

[idle swallow]

Flechette doesn't work on cleave shots unfortunately, only applies to the first enemy the bullet hit

[bleak dome]

lame sounds like the fun police got involved

ill take my crit monster has is ty for the help

[idle swallow]

Scattershot and manstopper will serve you just fine

Throw on weapon specialist and optionally deadshot to make those crits really likely

[crimson pebble]

Replace crit chance w flak then besides scatter only being t3 godroll

[fading yarrow]

I just got the best team of randoms ever and nothing comes even close
Not for a Damnation run, not for an Auric, but for standing by and helping me get the Vigil Station Oblivium Martyr's Skull, the very last Relic I needed to collect

The chillest guys I've met in this game so far

[bleak dome]

nice gratz

[umbral scaffold]

do this build with it

after getting a few melee kills you can pull out the shotgun and itll have a round automatically reloaded into it

you can swap to it mid fight pop something then swap back to melee w/ WS proc

[bleak dome]

melee weapon recomendation?

[umbral scaffold]

whatever u like imo i use shock maul III / chainsword

could use Rashad

[wary galleon]

when you take a lil visit to heresy, when your a chronic auric damnation player 😅

[fading yarrow]

Btw, since it seems builds are a pertinent topic, how's my current Stealth Vet looking so far?

[idle swallow]

embrace doomguy with Mk4 chainsword+double barrel

[crimson pebble]

Any particular reason for kraks

[fading yarrow]

They're Kraks

[wary galleon]

i think bleed is not that OP as people may belive it to be.
unless ofc you like the knife, no gatekeeping then

[bleak dome]

i dont have one of those i do have

[idle swallow]

A fine weapon indeed

[crimson pebble]

I feel like youv got the idea right but like everything youv got going on has something up w it thats not right

[limpid ore]

bleed is very OP

doubly so if you have brittleness

[wary galleon]

how do you apply it to armored ogryns, especially in a horde

[limpid ore]

throw shredder, shoot crusher with fast firing ranged weapon and the onslaught talent

[idle swallow]

The vet talent for bleed is really only applicable to enable mercy killer knives, otherwise it's just not enough at 1 stack per hit

[limpid ore]

boom, he's taking a lot of bleed dmg

plus, crushers aren't the only enemies in the game

[wary galleon]

ah well in that case its not reeally the knife anymore

[limpid ore]

anythign that isn't carapace and unyielding takes a lot of dmg from bleed

pretty sure bleed is the way to make knife not shit at horde clear

[idle swallow]

You better not say lacerate rn

[crimson pebble]

What id do

[limpid ore]

uhhh which is the crit one

that's the good one

[wary galleon]

i find that the knife lacks what i need in my stealth vet.
i use the Atrox Mk IV tactical Axe. its special can stagger if spammed, and spamming light is enough to dance around hordes.

it got enough AP to deal with crushers by itself.
and it got enough speed and dmg to deal with anything else really

[bleak dome]

and this

[limpid ore]

very based. love the atrox 4

[crimson pebble]

But i also run double barrel for stealth personally

[wary galleon]

of all the axes, i cant really justify using anything else.

[limpid ore]

although my finger got a bit tired so i've been using the rashad 2

[wary galleon]

ah yea thats why i have the auto swing mod

otherwise i would have arthritis on my finger already

or how you spell it

i really like the infiltrator torso. its got that grit and wear on it, without looking too "armored" you know?

[midnight totem]

just have the Chirurgeon give you augmentic fingers

[wary galleon]

your not a trash hobo, and not a glorified guardsman

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-in-the-shell-keyboard-gif-7519694

[midnight totem]

I don't need them yet, but by god my gal's gonna love it when I do

[wary galleon]

throw out the vibro rambo 3000 honey, i visited the chirurgeon and you are gonner love this one!

[limpid ore]

peak freebie tbh

along with the green waistcoat one

[fading yarrow]

The long of the short is that I essentially want my build to be a Get Out of Jail Free card for when it hits the fan; I start off down the middle to give the team a bit more extra toughness and damage to stay alive longer, then continue into Krak grenades for when Monstrosities or a Crusher/Bulwark/Mauler pack are coming along and the team is in a bad shape, so I pop invis and blow everything to kingdom come (with Grenadier, Field Improv and Grenade Stockpile to make sure I can do so whenever I need)

And then of course it goes down to Weapons Specialist, but with a quick early detour into Agile Engagement just to make it even more effective

[wary galleon]

ah can you screenshot it? im not sure which one you are talking about 😅

[fading yarrow]

(Sorry that took 10 minutes btw, slow typer)

[wary galleon]

weapon specialist goes perfect with a double barrel shotgun.
i dont think you need weapon specialist unless it suits the weapons you want.

its very similar to yours, until the end. this is how i setup mine

using this axe

[limpid ore]

took me a min to log in mb

[inland orchid]

all the ogryns in line in front of u

thats always my excuse for long login times

[wary galleon]

hmm dont recognise that one :S
is it a penance item?

[inland orchid]

yea if im correct thats the one related to voice of command

[limpid ore]

it is yeah

yup

[umbral scaffold]

God they really need to add a unlockable full helm already scion helmet so goofy </3 even if it sounds good

[limpid ore]

nah was just my pc being very slow bc windows is updating another program i never use

[midnight totem]

or unless you just like melee

[inland orchid]

valid

[umbral scaffold]

ONE (one) match after affixing this with r3 headtaker

i get this

[limpid ore]

did you take a pic with your phone or did you set gamma to max

[umbral scaffold]

I have auto HDR on and when I take a SS it brightens it up

[wary galleon]

you mean this one?

[umbral scaffold]

tactical axe doesnt share blessings with combat axe 😌

I love the scion helmet

Yes scion helmet is so out of place lol

[wary galleon]

luve me autogun vet

[limpid ore]

i hate the bare neck

[umbral scaffold]

ok the auto hdr is scuffing my drip

[wary galleon]

the other helmet is pretty good though and i use it more then the scion honestly

[limpid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[umbral scaffold]

that made me cackle

[midnight totem]

AUGH

GET IT OFF MY SCREEN

[umbral scaffold]

How does hdr make it look in a dark scene ?

[dreamy scaffold]

(max brightness)

[wary galleon]

ugly helmet i forget i have and will never use except for bragging rights that i have it in the first place

[dreamy scaffold]

tis a lil dookie

[umbral scaffold]

Ita pretty imo.

[wary galleon]

i look like a skater from an EMP store lol

[umbral scaffold]

Minus the ski mask

[wary galleon]

ye tru

just the motive is... feels kinda cheaply made.
like this one too

[umbral scaffold]

anyway scion helmet + killshot day chest & leg is bis

The helmet type shape tho i really like. Its more sharp and defined

Give that with a gasmask or the face rebreather and its really good lookin

[wary galleon]

i like it too, makes me feel like a spetznas cuz of the facemask

[midnight totem]

my new favorite melee vet outfit

groxhide leather pants

[wary galleon]

pants go hard actually

[midnight totem]

when I feel like using the bolter

[limpid ore]

nurgle's scurvy hit this man hard 💯

[wary galleon]

aaah i forgot about that helmet! its pretty dope.

would have wanted it too, but could not really justify buying it

makes me think of some action man figure from the early 2000

lol

[midnight totem]

its one of my favorite helmets, probably because its the closest I can get to Judge Dredd

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-burn-watching-apathy-karl-urban-gif-20285124

[wary galleon]

Yes!

judge dredd lmao

[dreamy scaffold]

and in turn, old age Arbites!

[midnight totem]

yup!

[wary galleon]

fits so well

[umbral scaffold]

Usually my outfits are either
Overwatch helm
Or the gasmask helmet
With the red chest piece with the straps w/the blavk and white camo pants or the red one with knee pads. Alongside the black vox caster (whivh imo was thr only paid cosmetics thats was actually worth it(that and gun skins))

[fading yarrow]

Fair enough
I use WS with a Zarona and Catachan MK VI because the ensuing rhythm is very easy for me to get into and feel good(and be effective) in

I also might take some points off of the WS additions I'm not utilizing often to branch back into the middle like you and Cole, since it does have some niftiness

[dreamy scaffold]

im loving the brig-commander jacket

[wary galleon]

what feels good to you is important i think.
dont matter much if a build is good if it dosent suit you or you like playing with it in the first place :p

[umbral scaffold]

Big commander i find hard to match i wish it wasnt tucked in

[dreamy scaffold]

been wanting a good outfit that wasnt screaming “covered in armor” idk

[umbral scaffold]

I just want to look like a kaserkin and have it be not be through spending cash i could spend on food man

So hard for this company

[wary galleon]

something like this no?

[umbral scaffold]

No...

[wary galleon]

idk i just googled kaserkin xD

[umbral scaffold]

Look at the scab gunner and it should give you an idea

[lucid hinge]

we have a kasrkin chest/legs

we just don't have their iconic full mask

[umbral scaffold]

The moebian loyalist sets are the closest thing so far anf a good step in the right direction imo

(The blue ones)

[fading yarrow]

Ain't this it?

[umbral scaffold]

Thats a just a rebreather helmet lol

[fading yarrow]

Or do you mean with the goggles

[lucid hinge]

yes it's missing the goggles

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[lucid hinge]

also the helmet that came with that set im pretty sure isn't that helmet

it's this one i think

[umbral scaffold]

Thats for the drip im 100% certain

[lucid hinge]

but it was one of the open face ones

yes the helmet is

but the chest and legs are shop items

[umbral scaffold]

Shop items 🤣

[wary galleon]

hey gotta work with waht you got

othewise its mod time

[fading yarrow]

Before getting back into the swing of Darktide I heard that Aquilae were going to be earnable through gameplay, is that ever gonna come to fruition?

[wary galleon]

maybe try the for the drip mod, its UI is shit. but you can make some cool drips with it

[dreamy scaffold]

[wary galleon]

i doubt it

[dreamy scaffold]

oh you are serious

[limpid ore]

big fuckin plasma

[umbral scaffold]

Unlikely

also where vet lmg and melta. Fatfish.....

[dreamy scaffold]

obeseaquatic

[umbral scaffold]

Still waiting since that initial leak and from vet art having an lmg.....

Graia autogun is fun tho

[dreamy scaffold]

but lmg

imagine stubber

[umbral scaffold]

A wish we could get the heavy and medium stubbers

Machine guns

Just something with alot of ammo and viable suppression value...

[arctic rampart]

recon vld is like an lmg ish

[umbral scaffold]

Dont make me laugh

[arctic rampart]

afaikt its got suppression too

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo usage is terrible

[arctic rampart]

the 6d got some decent buffs so if you want something that shoots lots of bullets its fine

[umbral scaffold]

Plus its that elysian thing it looks awefull as anything

[arctic rampart]

the ammo economy changed a lot you might not need survivalist

[umbral scaffold]

I hate looking at it

[umbral scaffold]

Not talking about that

[arctic rampart]

well I usually just use plasma, I like fancy weapons

[umbral scaffold]

Ive mained plasma and graia for awhile now.and before the vld

[fading yarrow]

Ngl I don't understand how Suppression is a benefit
I feel like it kinda just makes ranged enemies harder to kill, most of the time

[arctic rampart]

does graia require exec stance

[idle swallow]

It helps as with most ranged weapons but its not necessary

[umbral scaffold]

In auric when theres a whole army shooting at you it gives you good breathing room to get to them

[arctic rampart]

I like melee vet too much to give up most of that right tree. vets so starved in talent points

[umbral scaffold]

(Like you walking a room with like 5 gunners and lots of shooters)

[arctic rampart]

suppression or cleave I'd rather just shoot through all of them than have them duck

[limpid ore]

When you're babysitting 30iq babies and have to dodge slide some 30 shooters and 8 gunners it helps

[umbral scaffold]

Thats fair. But sometimes the stars dont align for them being all lined up or out of cover

[limpid ore]

Other than that suppression is annoying. With the fast firing recons especially since it triggers so quick

[umbral scaffold]

Why i dont use vld is becausr if your enot carefull you burn through too much ammo for too little

[idle swallow]

Shock trooper las guns setups are quite nice for anti all the shooters and gunners

[umbral scaffold]

Ppl wasting a whole mag with infernus and killing a crusher aint a good thing lol

[arctic rampart]

I do auric randoms all the time. You typically get at least 1 good player. Sure sometimes you get the fall over for everything group though lul

That mobian steel map you get hi-int + shock you know you're in for it if your group is bad. Or I guess the tree one

[umbral scaffold]

Figured graia autogun was better anyway can kinda see how the shooting patern is and can two tap far enemies with it with luck or 4 5 tap

Autogun*

[arctic rampart]

headhunter + dumdum and just rending strikes kills crusher without exec stance in ~1/3 clip for the vld was just testing that

[idle swallow]

Scavenger/shock-trooper and headhunter recon with one or two 5% crit chance boosters can make the recons last a while now

[umbral scaffold]

Thats a given but id rather have shouty

[arctic rampart]

I only go shout, but I guess its better for exec stance. If you queue with someone else doing shout or book I'd consider going exec then though

[umbral scaffold]

Or having both can be doable just proc it when the other's expire

[idle swallow]

Exe stance vld is one of my favorite fun builds rn, just shreds everything in a hail of fire nice and quick including crushers

[umbral scaffold]

Infinite toughness.... you mad nurgle cultist?

[arctic rampart]

My vet got like 230 toughness hehe.. add 50

[umbral scaffold]

Real Toughness husler

[limpid ore]

Simply melee crushers

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah !

A good heavy chainsword rev hit or 2 (or 3 if its ass) usually does the job

Or a krak

Im so krakpilled. Fuck frag i tried coming to it awhile ago and its just... so bad. Why did i use this? Even on a plasma build id ratger have krak now... its litterally a sticky homing grenade for carapace...

[limpid ore]

I'll stick with my absurd CC nades with bleed tyvm

[idle swallow]

Not doing the lethal proximity nuke shredders build smh my head

[umbral scaffold]

Before i tought hey i could use the frag to balance my build for horde clear but... my chainsword has alot of cleave... my plasma has alot of cleave... fuck do i need frag grenade for....

[limpid ore]

Your plasma has a lot of pen

What do you need kraks for

[umbral scaffold]

I can just kill monstruosity faster now

[midnight totem]

Kraks remain my favorite grenades

[umbral scaffold]

My whole kit and play style is just anti unyielding and elites and the odd lining up good shots through hordes

[midnight totem]

For the simple utility of killing bulwarks quickly in a horde

[umbral scaffold]

And uh shooters ig... ammo economy aint toi bad for plasma for me not to do it so ig that too

[midnight totem]

You don't want a trapper to be behind the bulwark

Or ragers running in behind them, it's annoying

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly i user to just pladma the bulwarka before but it didnt kill them fast enough or spent too much ammo charging up plasma so i just use my recharging kraks on them whenever i see them

And crushers i can just 1 tap easily

Or 2 hit melee too if im feeling it

(I like doing it)

[midnight totem]

That being said

I just finished a terror in the dark mission

Where I used frag to disrupt hordes and picked out the elites with my bolter

[umbral scaffold]

Havent used the bolter in a good while

[midnight totem]

Hipfired it in the two shot bursts into heads

It's good fun

[umbral scaffold]

I always feel so bad hipfiring it.i burns through so much ammo

[idle swallow]

Exe stance bolter is the way, only pin the trigger if you've got a big boss or crusher pack directly in your face, two round bursts otherwise

And resetting ads between shots helps a lot if shooting longer range

[somber axle]

You can technically kill a Bulwark in one shot with a charged shot with the Plasma gun through their shield! But I forgor what all is required to do it and I don't have the recording saved on my phone

[trim steppe]

Jumped off a ledge with a trapper shooting at me, got out of line of sight but he netted me through the floor and pulled me into a support pillar

Peak gameplay

[hollow turtle]

Lol I was testing this yesterday. Perhaps Execution Stance+Focus Target stack on top of some unknown perk+blessing combination.

[last parcel]

bonus

[mighty anvil]

That gun is "Krak"ed

[last parcel]

oh i forgot to upload this one. cut to show most of the build

[somber axle]

Yeah it can do such goofy things LOL

[pine snow]

what do you want on the bolt pistol?

i know surgical/deadly accurate is one option

does lethal proximity go well with anything?

[last parcel]

observe
#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

Lethal is very funny for a shredder grenadier build that just demolishes things with extra powerful grenades

As it turns out the Boltpistol Lethal Proximity explosion bonus also buffs grenades LOL

[hollow turtle]

As a veteran main, I find it so odd that when I decide to play zealot, the quality of veterans I play with suddenly drops at Heresy and above.

Like, zero situational awareness.

[pine snow]

i find everyone i play with on heresy and up sucks most of the time

and im the only one capable of killing stuff so if im trying new builds the team BARELY gets by

[hollow turtle]

That is exactly what I felt. Zealot is my least played and least favorite class. Just on it for the penances, so I don't have any particular builds set up. Mish Mash of whatever weapons I had.

[pine snow]

well this is what hadron's casino gave me

[trim steppe]

Heresy is a skill deadzone. If you have the skillset you play damnation, Heresy is a training ground for malice players. Just jump straight to damnation and figure it out / get carried by skilled players while you figure it out

[pine snow]

i'll give my 2 blessings a try i think what perks should i go for

[hollow turtle]

As a returning player, this might be what I'm forgetting about.

[pine snow]

i havent done damnation often just cuz i dont wanna actually think

[pine snow]

also how does carapace/flak sound?

[odd sparrow]

Maniac is pretty required for boltgun/pistol as it allows you to reach 1hit flamer BP which is pretty important

[pine snow]

will that be on a headshot only?

[odd sparrow]

Yes

[pine snow]

does it also buff kraks?

[somber axle]

afaik yeah but it's less of a major change compared to lethal + shredder + tinkerer because lethal and tinkerer both boost shredder radius to silly levels while tinkerer only buffs damage on kraks

[stiff glacier]

I cant bring myself to use shredders without nade tinkerer

[inland orchid]

a lad earlier asked this and tested it in the meat grinder, sadly no noticeable difference compared to the lethal proximity bonus on shredders

might still work but krak's explosion radius is pretty small so i can see why the lad didnt see anything

[lavish token]

Not just heresy

[vivid silo]

Huh, I don't find that people suck in Aurics (on average). I don't expect them to be good enough to carry an entire match either though. I feel the skill-level problems are highly exaggerated by some people (and one can wonder why that is).

[crimson pebble]

Is despardo even doing anything for psword or

[lavish token]

Yeah

[midnight totem]

Yes

[dreamy scaffold]

auric is at that level that you are only playing it if you are atleast semi confident in what you are doing, and have an almost perfect build. damn and heresy are just kinda.. not that

and other than penances, i have no intention of trying to play heresy and up, too much chaos imo

[limpid ore]

don't need a perfect build tbh

[crimson pebble]

No fun allowed straight to auric maelstorm blender with you

[lavish token]

That is the fun

[vivid silo]

I just see people complaining about teammates online regularly, even in Aurics

And yeah, minmaxing isn't needed if you know what you are doing. I'm running a Chain Axe + Shotgun build till they make the Plasma fun again (in my opinion)

[limpid ore]

of course

most players melt as soon as they're surrounded by more than 3 poxwalkers

[weak hamlet]

What's your issue with the plasma gun ?

[sinful jacinth]

Nothing is really needed if you good enough.

At the end of the day. Beter gear makes it all easier.

[weak hamlet]

You'll always find someone with dogwater gear to steamroll the game, but normal people need good gear haha

[lavish token]

It’s too strong

[weak hamlet]

After all the controversial youtuber did a maelstrom with grey weapons and no talent, it's doable but why would you

[weak hamlet]

Understandable

[lavish token]

I did a true solo with a grey void strike

Very balanced weapon

[woeful ibex]

who?

[weak hamlet]

Keep your inocence

[woeful ibex]

ok

who is it though

[weak hamlet]

His name's Tanner Lindberg. Insanely knowledgeable about the game, but very neuroatypical, very adamant he's always right and very polarising

[woeful ibex]

alright

[weak hamlet]

Also very annoying voice

[lavish token]

Well, he’s not that knowledgeable

Conditional damage kinda sucks

[weak hamlet]

What blessings are best on it ? Was thinking soulblaze because soulblaze wrecks but on the void it might be overkill

Same thing with surge, why would I shoot twice when one projectile already kills everything

[lavish token]

Surge is anti horde

[weak hamlet]

Never felt like I needed it

Even with hordes

[midnight totem]

Surge is great because funny heretic spasms before boom

[lavish token]

You play on heresy, no?

[weak hamlet]

Auric dam

[midnight totem]

For the heavy elites

Oneshotting crushers from crit surges is great

[weak hamlet]

That said I often run fire venting shriek and warp flurry so hordes are not an issue

[midnight totem]

Void staff is basically an ammoless plasma gun for psykers

[weak hamlet]

Feels like it yeah

Oh wait this is veteran chat

It's so easy to get sidetracked in this discord

[midnight totem]

It's fine

[ripe anvil]

I was confused I admit. I was like...wtf is this chat did i click the right channel?

lol

[midnight totem]

It's early in the day and a good soldier reads every part of the infantryman's uplifting primer

[weak hamlet]

Actually it's almost 3PM if you live in the civilised part of the world

[midnight totem]

I don't, that's why I'm killing heretics

[ripe anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/flat-gif-22311850

[undone quarry]

It's almost 9pm, what are you European???

[ripe anvil]

Civilised (chortles)

[undone quarry]

lmao

[midnight totem]

Nah it's almost 9 am for me

[undone quarry]

Ah, East Coast US Enjoyer

[weak hamlet]

Europe rules, don't diss your ancesters

[undone quarry]

I mean they aren't really ancestors If I'm only 2nd Generation Australian lmao

[ripe anvil]

All the cool people left or forcefully took independence. But I'm just offering playful banter at this point ^.^ I admit.

[weak hamlet]

I was more saying that if the countries themselves were talking, not the inhabitants

But true

[undone quarry]

Ah

lmao

[weak hamlet]

And now that you mention it countries don't talk

What do I hear all day then

[ripe anvil]

This isn't what the internet has taught me from memes....

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-heavy-tf2-heavy-team-fortress-2-heavy-team-fortress-two-thinking-gif-13167291159341927470

[weak hamlet]

Poland can into space

[ripe anvil]

Ah Poland, little America in Europe! We are proud of them!

[vivid silo]

It's boring and bland in it's current iteration. They need to make the Charged shots relevant outside of a few niche situations. It's just mindless uncharged shot spam, they might as well remove the charge mechanic all together. It has enough ammo to easily be used as a primary weapon, without Heat really being an issue either, since all you are doing is uncharged shot spam which doesn't have any risks.

I miss the days of having to decide whether an uncharged shot, a partially charged shot or a fully charged shot was optimal for the next shot. And then having to do the same consideration for the next shot too

[pastel yew]

it's as boring or bland as any single shot weapon

the issue is mostly that its too strong

it trivializes things

I'm not sure it's going to get adjusted any time soon

I'm seriously shocked that it wasn't touched in the last major patch

conspiracy theory but... I think most skilled players have already gotten bored of how strong the plasma gun is, which means they've moved on to other weapons. So if they've got stats for the plasmagun then they see its performing poorly given its mostly used by less good players

[livid forge]

What do people run on recon las guns rn?

[pastel yew]

dum dum, headhunter, and infernus are the three people usually gravitate towards

or I guess more accurate to say dum dum, then headhunter or infernus

[vivid silo]

That depends on who you ask. If it was strong, but required thought, effort and skill to get the most out of it, it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem. Or if it had less ammo so you had to actually consider when/how to use it. But due to the simplistic design (which invalidates everything that is special about the Plasma to begin with) anyone can pick it up and perform (too) well with it.

But for experienced users, like a long-time Plasma enjoyer from Dec. 2022 that I am, back when venting caused HP damage, it didn't pierce/cleave for shit on uncharged shots, the bland state is incredibly dull since it's 99% of the time just going to be uncharged shot spam with 0 risk and 0 worries about ammo, heat or anything else.

[vivid silo]

If you had to choose between an uncharged shot, partially charged shot, and fully charged shot (the latter 2 involving a risk of blowing up) AND had to actually think about conserving ammo then it would be significantly more interesting.

Now I don't need to use a charged shot unless I really want to pierce deeper cover.

[pastel yew]

more interesting yes but I dont think that it's innately boring because of its mechanics. there are lots of accurate aim requiring marksman weapons (which is what the plasma gun is) that arent boring like the bolt pistol, vraks 7, helbores etc

I don't really agree that high skill ceiling = high power level, no weapon should be that strong

even if you're the best in the game all weapons should be vaguely balanced

[vivid silo]

What makes the Plasma worse than other single-shot weapons?

I only said if it required some of what I mentioned it would at least it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem, because you won't find many people that could pull it off. That being said, there should still be balance

[pastel yew]

what makes it worse is that the power level trivializes the game, so you never feel challenged or struggle

without that the game isn't really all that fun

its just monotonous

[vivid silo]

So, you aren't at ALL challenged or struggle if you use the Plasma?

You literally have a 100% win rate?

[pastel yew]

thats why the plasma gun struggles to be fun when other similar weapons dont

[vivid silo]

What if it only had half the ammo, so you couldn't rely on it nearly as much?

[pastel yew]

with the plasma gun ? not 100% but I'd imagine pretty close

I think my usual auric damnation winrates 70-80% ish

with most builds

and with plasmagun it feels noticeably easier than that

[vivid silo]

That's not the same as there not being ANY challenged or struggle

But I guess that's semantics

[pastel yew]

that'd be a fair consideration for balance if you want the per shot damage the same

as is you can just use it constantly

its too ammo efficient

[vivid silo]

Which was one of my arguments

[pastel yew]

I mean definitely semantics ;p

I'd reword to "not enough challenge" in that case

[vivid silo]

I can get behind that

[sinful jacinth]

At the end of the day. It all boils down to "are you having fun". Nothing else matters.

[pastel yew]

true

that's why usually I dont care for most things getting nerfed unless they affect the enjoyment of other people

[vivid silo]

Let me rephrase: I wouldn't mind it's current power level IF it involved choosing when to use it and how to use it beyond mindless spamming. And they absolutely need to make charged shots relevant again to have ANY hope of actually making it interesting to use. If they just nerf the power level but don't fix the mechanics, it will just be a terrible AND boring weapon

[pastel yew]

and currently I can think of only two things that strong, smite and the plasmagun

[lavish token]

Yeah

[vivid silo]

Huh, the Revolver and Columnus aren't much worse

In that regard

And as I wrote, I used the Plasma in it's absolutely WORST state, and still enjoyed it faaaar more than this version

[sinful jacinth]

Different strokes for different folks. It might be boring for you. For some it might be their favorite weapon.

[vivid silo]

It IS my favorite weapon, which is why it pains me so much

[pastel yew]

I can play a game with 3 zaronas and 3 columnus and it wont affect me

[vivid silo]

Look how they massacred my baby 😦

[pastel yew]

you have 2 semi decent plasmagunner players on your team?

I quit

[midnight totem]

I too have a 100 percent win rate, because when I lose I go again until I win so it don't count see?

[pastel yew]

plasmagun is also stronger than both zarona and columnus in current state

[pastel yew]

huge brain

[vivid silo]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree

Well, I think Plasma might be stronger, but only slightly so, and in different situations

[pastel yew]

the plasmagun is a zarona with 8 shots instead of 6

that reloads 2 at a time instead of 1

on a partial reload

the only way the plasma is worse is against carapace and bosses

hillariously

[midnight totem]

And only because zarona has handcannon

[pastel yew]

yeah

but who takes the zarona without handcannon

[vivid silo]

Pullout time is worse for the Plasma, and combined with delay before firing, it's worse as a quick-swap weapon

[pastel yew]

its not that long of a pull out time

[midnight totem]

_> (me trying out zarona handcannon-less builds)

[vivid silo]

It's longer, and the firing delay is what, 0,2 seconds?

[pastel yew]

yeah but the fraction of a second you save isnt all that important

also most of the time you dont need to pull out your melee weapon

because you can just keep firing forever

[pastel yew]

[vivid silo]

Average human reaction time is 0,25 seconds. Adding >0,2 seconds to your time literally means you react twice as slow

You said the "only way Plasma is worse", I just gave you a situation where it's worse

[pastel yew]

yes but if the way in which it is worse doesnt matter

[vivid silo]

To me it matters a LOT, because it's my preferred playstyle

[pastel yew]

it also ignores that the total uptime of the plasmagun is higher

because you can fire more shots off

where the zarona has to reload or swap to melee

so the fraction of a second you save is meaningless

[vivid silo]

Yep, Plasma is superior as a ranged-primary weapon. Zarona is better as a ranged-secondary weapon

[pastel yew]

I honestly think the zarona is balanced

if weapon specialist

didnt exist

[lavish token]

You don’t need weapon specialist to maximise the zarona

[pastel yew]

no but the max limit of the zarona without it is fine

and with it it is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger

[lavish token]

Not really

[pastel yew]

cap?

what are the primary weaknesses of the zarona

reload time

crit reliance

what does weapon specialist give you

guaranteed crits

no reload

[midnight totem]

I was trying to build glory hunter for a revolver, figured either Rending or crit was gonna go

[lavish token]

Focus target gives you 10k boss damage per shot

With exec

[vivid silo]

Also, most people aren't even capable of using the Plasma in it's strongest state: The Executioners Stance build

[pastel yew]

yeah both revolvers have good clear

can literally one shot bosses before having to reload

but that is not the optimal set up for them

also boss damage is meaningless

they're a none threat and every build blows them up

I honestly think they could just flat double the health of all bosses

[vivid silo]

I wouldn't mind that!

[pastel yew]

mhm me either would be cool

also probably give them one more attack each or so

[lavish token]

I would hate if that included beast of nurgles

[pastel yew]

so they dont just repeat the same basic chains

ahhh okay maybe burgle gets a pass...

[vivid silo]

Beast of Nurgle on no-ammo modifer, with double health would be interesting

At least no-ammo can't roll with Nurgle blessing, because that would just be silly

[pastel yew]

beast of nurgle spam maelstrom when

just constantly 1-2 of them floating about

[vivid silo]

If I was ever going to roll Plasma, that would be it I think!

We found it!

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mulsup-jessicasprings0-cheesepuffs3000-robert-pattinson-the-lighthouse-gif-25420114

bon is the only boss I hate but

I think thats because its the only one that does its job well

its disruption

pogryn needs some seriously love

[vivid silo]

Aye it's the only one where (in some situations) it can be incredibly annoyinhg

[umbral scaffold]

how can i maximise the toughness i replenish to myself ?

for the penence

[last parcel]

get shot before shouting

[lusty sapphire]

I do not get it. Why do you need to "think" about completing these kind of penances. If the penance wants toughness replenished with shout just play the game with shout while focusing on a penance that's more specific lol

[last parcel]

i just assume they hate the ability/class and are forcing themselves to finish the penance

[lusty sapphire]

I see

Makes sense i guess

[last parcel]

oh and stack toughness curios and nodes from the talent tree

[gilded wraith]

Wish I could see total toughness restored to party between shout and glory hunter plasma nurse build.

It feels significant, but I prefer a metric I can see.

[mighty anvil]

You want a parser

[warm harbor]

I switched to the smoke Granade to obtain the cool infiltrator leggings that has a knife on the ankle

[zenith sandal]

What’s good on bolt pistol?

Blessing/perk wise

[umbral scaffold]

because i find this game confusing as i was gone for a long time before starting to play again , i saw a cool coat and i want it so im trying to ask for advice to see if anyone could help me find a way to finish it faster

you dont have to get it

[lusty sapphire]

Cool

[umbral scaffold]

i just feel like i could replenish more and i cant

[lusty sapphire]

Run toughness curios. And play normally it won't take long

[umbral scaffold]

alright thanks

sorry if i was mean

[lusty sapphire]

You weren't it's all good

[umbral scaffold]

also i saw a player with a cosmetic from penance but i cant find it

any idea if there are penences removed or something ?

it was a shirt of veteran with a cloack

[lusty sapphire]

Never saw it in the penances tbf not on veteran at least

Psyker has a cloak penance cosmetic

While vet has paid cosmetics with a cloak, the latest one at least

[umbral scaffold]

ah i see

thanks

[umbral scaffold]

me during marksmans focus penance fr

[lyric dock]

Because there's some pens that kinda make you go into a playstyle you may not like or enjoy

[balmy flume]

Whilst I don’t “hate” the other classes per se, I do feel it becomes a chore to play as any non-Vet classes for their penances lol

[pine snow]

the vet one of take no damage and on overwatch were miserable

actually no the no damage one is on overwatch isnt it

[lyric dock]

On overwatch is a good bit easier since you have Shout and Stealth

[last parcel]

it is

[balmy flume]

There is a way to cheese that…

[pine snow]

the one where u had to get like 90% accuracy and end with a certain amount of ammo

that one sucked

[last parcel]

make every shot count

[pine snow]

i dont remember how i did that one

im fairly sure i used lucius

[balmy flume]

I cheesed it with the (now sadly patched) trick of disconnecting near end of match

[pine snow]

i tried that but didn't know it was patched

[last parcel]

[pine snow]

so we did it legit

[lyric dock]

The days of vet accidently getting a Psyker pen

[lusty sapphire]

Should have seen that in the days when you had to get 100% accuracy and survivalist gave 5% ammo back and was passive to the class

Oh man

Luckily shotties had a bit less ammo I believe

Nowdays should be easy with db

[heavy rover]

man, I miss the old survivalist days. It was hilarious to just mag dump

[scarlet path]

I remember doing it before it was patched by falling off a ledge at the very beginning of a level, letting yourself die and having your teammates not pick you up for the whole game gave it to you

[lusty sapphire]

3 ogryn rumblers and 1 vet

It was hilarious indeed

[heavy rover]

yes, dakka to the dakka gods

[balmy flume]

Oh so that got patched…but yea, that was the cheese.
I remember I managed to do it legit somehow.

[scarlet path]

I THINK it got patched

Could be wrong

Wouldnt surprise me if it wasnt

[terse idol]

Now to be fair all you had to do was miss 0 shots and then reach 0 and never swap to ranged

[hollow turtle]

I did it legitimately, but that was when camo perk meant staying still made it so you had -90% aggro.

[proven karma]

Worth buying?

[terse idol]

I did it legit too, while someone else was doing it

And they had surv

I just ran WS and the revolver

[hollow turtle]

Lol I still remember it too. There was another vet doing it. It was a captain fight mission and I got it by hanging back and staying in the elevator while the three of them did the fighting.

[terse idol]

Yah

Would keep for later but the stats are good

[hollow turtle]

Ironically, I wish there was a mission counter for how many times we took 0 damage because I know there was a mission I played normally; It was the defend the train mission at the end, and I don't think I got hit at all that round. The other 3 players were wondering if I even got touched by the time the transport arrived.

[hollow turtle]

Definitely would keep it and replace it when you find one with better perk/blessing combination.

[slate hawk]

I'd buy and hold onto it for the crafting rework

[proven karma]

Bought. Ty all

[slate hawk]

Np

[faint beacon]

Question you guys lately been experiencing some fucking insane Auric Spawns

I’m enjoying them but I feel like the director is tired of my shenanigans and has decided dump literally every special possible

[lucid hinge]

last night we did the maelstrom and it was normal and the next game (same maelstrom) we got hit with 500 specials

it's never been consistent

[primal remnant]

I'm running into a problem with Infernus on the Recon 6d

In that things don't typically live long enough for it to matter

the one exception is monstrosities

...the thing krak grenades delete

[lusty sapphire]

What difficulty are you on?

Anyways. You usually go dumdum/headhunter for that exact reason

[radiant chasm]

on 6d? at mid/long ranges, infernus is great for dregs and reapers

scabs if you have the flak perk

[lusty sapphire]

Admittedly yeah, and you run it with headhunter

[radiant chasm]

it also helps if you have rending for basically everything not infested or unarmored, rending strikes and onslaught will help the burn damage a lot, especially vs carapace

[lusty sapphire]

But still I find it better when I just go raw dmg and I murder targets within 12m

[radiant chasm]

at that point i'd just use my 7a

[plain escarp]

what is big E trying to tell me

[lusty sapphire]

"No balls, use it"

Btw it's so damn funny to me that stats can go that low but they don't reach 100

[plain escarp]

yea haha

[proven karma]

An auruc low rolls only group could be fun. Or grays/greens only.

[lyric dock]

I have seen weapons get 0 in one of the stats before

[bleak jackal]

[inland orchid]

happens to all of us dr, put it on the itemization pile

[bleak jackal]

cant wait

are we able to increase the rating too or just the blessings and perks?

[inland orchid]

not sure didnt do much reading on the dev post of them explaining the itemization

[hollow turtle]

Lol its all right. I still keep this for the memes.

[pine snow]

shoot it once and it flies outta ur hand

[hollow turtle]

Lol I shoot it once and my mouse irl flies out of my hand.

[errant sable]

Haven't played my vet in a long time and just getting into the game again, which of the new shotguns is the best to run? If there is one

[last parcel]

it's actually pretty usable already. elites is kinda a budget +flakdmg for recon and deathspitter lets VIIa cleave scab bruisers
you could go headhunter and use ds as a budget dumdum or go dumdum and make use it as a janky agri iag

[last parcel]

how long is a long time because the only new shotgun from this year is the double barrel (ironhelm assault shotgun)

[errant sable]

Ah I thought there was 2 and probably like 4 updates ago idk lol

Saw a friend using it and it looks pretty fun

[radiant chasm]

agri is probably the best in general for vet

[bleak jackal]

i want to go from VIId to VIIa so it has to be better than my recent gun

[primal remnant]

Have headhunter, also 5s, trying to gear up for aurics

Yes yes, change unyielding to flak, bank empty currently

[last parcel]

depends on what metrics you use for 'better' but VIIa is already going to be more ammo efficient than VId

[mortal orbit]

Dont the las guns have innate crazy good flak damage

[scarlet path]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-discord-gif-24306382

[hollow turtle]

Lol it was a late reply

[scarlet path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/382059818690805763/1183244068814340139/freeze.gif?ex=6587a0e9&is=65752be9&hm=742205bdb142b276bc7a1a6cf97807a344a3f5238101677d308e64c9b2880940&

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-shame-reaction-squidward-dump-gif-17358038841775626577

[last parcel]

no, recons are 0.75->0.5 flak adm and ilas are like 0.5->0.7, while iags are around 0.8->0.7 for comparison

[somber axle]

if you have to choose between flak or maniac I'd always go flak because better mauler body shots > shooting muties (and you can just stab them ezpz)

plus better clear vs flak rager spam

[rapid egret]

Bet you can't wait for the new crafting system.

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter is how I use the Recon Mk VIIa to make the cleave extra goofy

plus it gets really funny using it with weapon specialist + celerity stim and mulching a mixed horde

[last parcel]

that's how i run my deadshot VIIa

[somber axle]

VIIa is really fun with Deadshot

[last parcel]

this should not be allowed to work but it does

[somber axle]

slower fire rate definitely makes it way easier to control

the ranged impact bonus from Dum Dum + Deathspitter + Exe Stance can do funny things too

like staggering a Bulwark while they still have their shield up if you can angle shots over/behind the shield before they swing

the impact gets really funny for just telling flak ragers no

[last parcel]

accatran mk viia recon lasgun blast

[primal remnant]

Also fuck dreg gunners

[last parcel]

dreg gunussy

[lusty sapphire]

Deadshot? Aren't you gasping for air every 2s ?

[last parcel]

that's when you make use of recon's good starting hipfire spread to regen a bit

or just stab mfs

oh and focus target + target down but you cant ping when hud is disabled so

[grand perch]

new meta: VId with deadshot plus rashad axe with all or nothing blessing

bonus points for 0 stamina curios

[heavy rover]

wait that sounds hilarious and I actually want to try it out

[last parcel]

all or nothing + decimator + marksman for max power

[primal remnant]

I tried 6d with deadshot one time just to see how fast it would deplete my stamina, it was actually really funny

[somber axle]

nah because the fire rate is much slower than the VId and II so it's easier to handle

if you go Focus Target + Target Down and repeatedly ping elites/specials you can keep feeding stamina gain

it's also offset a bit with a stamina curio or 2

but if you want to go EXTRA silly you could go triple stam curios

[lusty sapphire]

I want to try that lol

I have a good 7

[somber axle]

Deadshot + Recon Mk VId was my fav build pre-Secrets of the Machine God but the fire rate buff made it too unwieldy to do on the VId anymore even with Target Down and extra stam curios

Deadshot still works fine on the II and VIIa though

[tame schooner]

thoughts on bolt pistol for veteran?

[lusty sapphire]

Meme tier. Mediocre at best for actual use

[tame schooner]

ah, splendid, any meme-worthy melee weapon to accompany it?

[lusty sapphire]

Oh ho boy do I got news for you

No melee

But

It's not bad meme tier It's godly meme tier because lethal proximity enlarges the radius of your nades explosion

If you go tinkerer + lethal proximity with frags you get stupid large bleed application and damage in a horde

You just run this and spam nades on any horde or elite patrol

[clear lantern]

and the several second long stun while they're all bleeding; due to knockdown at impact and blastwave outwards. Works even on ogryn patrols.

and if you have grenade regen, you don't feel guilty at all about rolling a ggrenade at any patrol coming your way

[tall torrent]

It’s not rly a meme when it’s top 5 best performing veteran builds

[lusty sapphire]

It's a meme cause it's based on a bug

[tall torrent]

Don’t think it’s a bug tbh

It says +25% explosion radius and does exactly +25% explosion radius

[slow spade]

Frags are bad, you should spam smokes instead

sponsored by Nurgle

[lyric dock]

It's more the interaction because I don't think it was ever intended to be used with grenades only for the Bolt pistol

While the build is very funny. In due time it'll be patched out

[slow spade]

At least half a year to use it 🙏

[lusty sapphire]

Next week™️

[slow spade]

God I love that sticker

[lusty sapphire]

Unnecessary I tried it

Funny I admit

[mortal orbit]

4 frags

[lusty sapphire]

But not usually needed

[mortal orbit]

Vs 3

And demo team be proccing on hist

I value 2 grenades, will completely bleed out most trash and passively chunk a boss

[heavy rover]

4 > 3, therefore better

[faint beacon]

As the one who unironically tested it for sometime and had Path help me tweak it

Demo Team makes up for that extra frag

[umbral scaffold]

should add 2 grendaes instead of one, too niche of a node to ever fucking take, litterally ever

[faint beacon]

You toss it into a group of specials and magically you have more grenades back

[umbral scaffold]

if you take that ^ and the one that gives nades back every minute why bother with this one ?

[faint beacon]

The nade regen combined with Demo team basically guarantees you at least have a frag on every so often when you absolutely need it

Personally the extra grenade is nice yes but not needed

Focus Target is to make up for how mediocre the Bistol can be

And seeing you have to run Lethal you’re automatically making it even more mediocre

But your real power is coming from your shredders

[tame lodge]

What's it called, Execution? Extra damage to staggered. Does it have any value when paired with LP ?

[faint beacon]

I don’t believe it does

I suggested that to Path but it’s only on enemies that get hit MID stagger

So even then it’d probably be mediocre

More so better to run something like Hit and Run

So you can constantly be on the move and have close damage

[tame lodge]

Aight, so imma ask FS to make Execution enable friendly fire

[lusty sapphire]

Personally i had a ton of fun with run n gun bolter

I ran it with a rashad cause I didn't know what to expect out of it but you can be very eccentric with your melee with this build

Frags carry a lot

[faint beacon]

Mb meant RNG

The best melee you can run is Powersword with it

But that’s like a

No shit

It’s Powersword

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah

Like uh

Duh

I think knife would be unironically very fun with it too

Cause run n gun allows you to always be on the move

I don't have any knives tho

One more weapon I need to craft

[lusty sapphire]

1k hours btw

[faint beacon]

Considering trying Shaul as well

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-saul-goodman-saul-goodman3d-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-gif-25801565

[tall torrent]

Irrelevant

[lusty sapphire]

I did. It's not too bad

[tall torrent]

It’s not relevant because boltpistol wants 1 taps, not 2 taps

Run&gun enables 1 taps with pretty high consistency

And makes the gun way nicer to play

[faint beacon]

Plus it allows you to play far more aggressively with the build seeing you can fire it whilst sprinting

[primal remnant]

How does this look for a Recon 6d build

[lusty sapphire]

That 10% rending is a straight up 10% extra dmg on recon for most things you'll be shooting at btw

I'd take that instead of the "no suppression"

[primal remnant]

That one was a misclick, its supposed to be the rending

I like the no suppression one because I am consistently the only person who thinks gunners are a threat

[lusty sapphire]

I had issues with my game, it looked all fucked up with ui and characters glitching. I thought i was going crazy. Turns out I had the fucking nvidia frame generation on

[fossil basalt]

I personally skip the ignore suppression because what are they gonna do, stop drop and roll? (VId Deadshot with DumDum+Infernus is primo)

[primal remnant]

I thought deadshot node with 6d was a meme

[fossil basalt]

meme or not, I love it

[idle swallow]

If you have exe stance+tactical awareness, you don't need the suppression immunity talent since exe stance gives you that whenever you're using it. You'll have it back up pretty much whenever you need it in Damnation

[primal remnant]

Thats actually a pretty good point

[fossil basalt]

regularly outpacing the other recon vets that happen to be in my squad is also pretty funny

[lusty sapphire]

You can shoot hipfire with it

[idle swallow]

All the recons have pretty good hip fire accuracy and headhunter doesn't require you to ads if it's one of your blessings

[last parcel]

still a meme though, especially on the VId

[primal remnant]

I really hate that theres both a blessing and a node called headhunter btw

[last parcel]

we also have opening salvo and used to have onslaught

idk which talen is headhutner though

[primal remnant]

I was thinking of deadshot, never mind

[last parcel]

[primal remnant]

Why did I think that was called headhunter...?

Ogryn brain mystery even to Ogryn

[last parcel]

because dead... hunt... uhh

too hungry

have rashun

[radiant chasm]

Headhunter guns, blessing and talent

[last parcel]

hha hha hha hha stayin alive

[primal remnant]

Krunch's Big Gun Wishlist for Emprah Claus
-Ogryn get autocannon
-Veteran get hot shot volley gun
-Psyker get beam staff
-Shouty get boot to head. But also this thing

[severe gale]

@slow sky

could be a psykanium bug but

yah

[last parcel]

fixed

[slow sky]

#zealot-class message
yeah it didnt seem to be bugged for me

[hallow parcel]

not bricked yet

[severe gale]

the woke left lied to me

💔💔

[last parcel]

tragic

[primal remnant]

Come to me child, we have the best mechanics, I have space marines come up to me, they have tears streaming down their face they come up to me, they say, teach us the truth, we don't believe in the emperor any more. They do, its true. SO many space marines like this, the biggest crowds you've ever seen, bigger than Jimmy Space ever had, he's a very low IQ individual, jimmy space, did you know that? Thats why my crowds are so much bigger.

(A thought just occurred, I should flip the book upside down)

[tall torrent]

It’s not 100% in 1 stack

U can go into psykanium with any gun and just melee kill -> shoot on repeat

[severe gale]

yeah i see now

i was told before that it was bugged

but i was either lied to or it was patches

[orchid hemlock]

should I replace Maniac with crit? 🤔

[terse idol]

Nop

[arctic rampart]

@orchid hemlock High priority:
Stopping Power
Stability
Low priority:
Mobility (51%+)
Ammo
Perks & Blessings:
Flak
Elite
Maniac
Dum Dum
Deathspitter
Stripped Down

[last parcel]

i would, but it's not like it's a massive difference in performance

[somber axle]

I had to do a doubletake because I thought he wrote "Ligma" on his forehead

[slow spade]

in light of the new bolt pistol bug, I have decided "All In" build time

[last parcel]

this is the real bolt pistol grenadier build
onslaught + thunderous chainaxe XII hits for bleeding crushers

[arctic rampart]

Man not taking the melee skills would make me too sad

[balmy flume]

What is this “bolt pistol bug?”

[somber axle]

Lethal Proximity boosts the explosive radius of the shredder frag grenade

combo with tinkerer which also boosts the radius and damage

then it gets really funny

[balmy flume]

Damn. Carpet bomber.

You might as well chance a twin throw whilst you are at it…

[last parcel]

the kicker is that it also increases the bleed radius while tinkerer only boosts the explosive dmg/stager radius i just made that up

[somber axle]

oh NICE

I know tinkerer + 1 shredder will kill a horde of poxwalkers as long as they're hit by both the explosion and bleed

[lusty sapphire]

I ran deadshot on the recon 7a

It's actually not bad

[mortal orbit]

Sick new veteran cosmetic

[lusty sapphire]

I'd rock it

[last parcel]

dripped out

premium aquila priced

[lusty sapphire]

Goes so well with a chaxe

[somber axle]

people would 100% pay aquilas for a shirtless premium cosmetic

[last parcel]

vacuum capsule

[somber axle]

it's so hard to see tattoos otherwise

[lusty sapphire]

That's me