veteran-class

[limpid bough]

Plus the game was crazy made for it like

holy SHIT the character creation

[faint beacon]

Trust me it feels gross but the only other Class I enjoy playing is Ogryn and he’s only 200 atm

[limpid bough]

It has 0 relevance in gameplay sure, but I've never seen a game of this scale that lets you go that in depth with your character's backstory

[faint beacon]

At least I’m not a lvl 1660 psyker

I’ve seen this

[limpid bough]

And the reactivity of dialogue and shit with your trust level like

[faint beacon]

This is real

[hard cave]

cadians,,,

[lucid hinge]

All my classes are high level and my og is still 43 💀

[limpid bough]

Darktide is practically an action RPG at this rate

[hard cave]

^^^

[last parcel]

skudie passed level 3000

[limpid bough]

Super Cadian Vets are always the funniest to me lmao

I love cadia don't get me wrong, my Zealot is cadian and my headcannon is their zealousness is essentially a coping method for the loss of her home

[faint beacon]

I’ve literally only seen like 2 types of vets with an occasional Krieger on their, Cadians and Inquisition

[limpid bough]

I just think the cutthroat always whining and everyone telling them to shut the fuck up is funny

[faint beacon]

I rarely ever see Steel Legion or 21st/6th

[limpid bough]

I basically never see 21st or 6th

[hard cave]

Ive seen more steel legion than red inquisition vets

[limpid bough]

One thing I wish I saw more was the proper rejects
I really like mismatch / ramshackled gear

Again, catachan fan here

[hard cave]

Ive seen exactly 1 6th of every class throughout my play time

and like 4 or 5 21st

[limpid bough]

I wanna see more vets who rock the penance jacket / tops and shit

[limpid bough]

I saw a full team of sixth in a mourningstar earlier
Shit was crazy

[faint beacon]

I use the 6th outfit for my Ogryn just cause it looks good

[hard cave]

reject veteran with a power sword 6 with ps4, you know that mfer is gonna be good

[hard cave]

got damn,,,

[faint beacon]

Either that or they’re terrible

[limpid bough]

Second time I even saw someone in the armor

[faint beacon]

Literally no in between it’s hilarious

[limpid bough]

Just like homeless knife zealots

[hard cave]

true lmao

[regal drift]

im still using the promotion material 1 reward top for my vet, just because it looks good

[limpid bough]

They're either top tier carriers or trigger 7 crushers and leave when they get downed lmao

I've never had an in-between on my team, myself being the only exception because I'm bad at the game but also understand that like, it's a 4 person co-op shooter and I don't need to run ahead

[hard cave]

hoping they add the factory finish black vox backpack, would go amazing on my 21st vet

[last parcel]

nah im gonna run ahead and aggro 2 poxwalkers and go down

[hard cave]

I usually only run ahead as ogryn because I'm trying to fiend for gernades because pennances, if im not, then I'm baby sitting a psyker who goes down every 2 minutes

[limpid bough]

Running ahead is fine

Running ahead and aggroing all the enemies and then dying because you left your team behind to deal with the shit you just took isn't

[faint beacon]

Joining in on this name Joke

[limpid bough]

Fuck yeah

We love steel legion

[hard cave]

steel legion my beloved

way better than krieg

[limpid bough]

mm tanks

[faint beacon]

I literally can’t use the PSwords just cause I despise how they play in general

Unless it’s my one gimmick build with Lethal Proximity

[limpid bough]

Power swords seem fun but I couldn't get into them

Though I also am only like, level 20 on my vet so

I haven't invested a ton into their specific weapons

[faint beacon]

Special + Light (3x) repeat

I mean it’s no better than Rashad with how they play but

Something about it just bores me to High hell

[odd sparrow]

heavy swings on powersword are a bit better at horde clear but yeah its a lot of speciall --> swing 3x

[midnight totem]

As opposed to

[faint beacon]

Strawhat just said the event isn’t active till Thursday just as a heads up

[midnight totem]

Swinging infinite times, occasional special on elite?

[faint beacon]

Curious what it will be

[midnight totem]

Apparently you can play the event already on solo mod

[faint beacon]

You what

[midnight totem]

You heard me

Spoiler next

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

[midnight totem]

||rinda karnak boss ambushes||

[delicate hornet]

is there any better way at doing the adept assassin penance (250 special/elite kills with weapons specialist) than the revolver?

[midnight totem]

With a melee weapon of your choice

[delicate hornet]

yeah i kinda assumed the melee wouldnt affect it massively

im using the mk3 knife tho

[faint beacon]

I did it once I’ll fucking do it again

[trail totem]

[midnight totem]

High crit melee weapon plus melee crit node

Shoot a poxwalker

Dive into elites

Do it

[delicate hornet]

time to faceknife poxwalkers

[faint beacon]

Comically sharp MK3 with Flesh Tearer

[midnight totem]

Me chopping the heads off four shooters with one crit swing

[faint beacon]

Non special based PS’s seem funny to me but I don’t think it’s possible

[last parcel]

unpowered sword

[last parcel]

it’s a mk2 with native surgical, just swap the perks

[faint beacon]

The deep regret that has dawned upon me when I forgot my Caffeine source at home

[last parcel]

damn

[hard cave]

I need to use the helbores more

[last parcel]

my greatest regret is that i have but one life to give for the emperor

[hard cave]

I love the bayonet

[midnight totem]

That's why I kill heretics

To give their lives for the Emperor

[normal pawn]

Surgical Vraks VII headhunter works ok if you also have Deadly Accurate

Just note: Using Volleyfire/Executioners Stance will NOT trigger weapons specialist, so if you're using that as both a timer and a highlighter, remember to manually trigger it after switching.

[umbral scaffold]

this worth 2k at melks shop u think? what does the Shredder component do

[delicate hornet]

u can inspect for the exact breakdown but its dmg modifiers to the revved special iirc

[umbral scaffold]

ahhh ok i rather find a high roll of that then

ty

[delicate hornet]

66% is pretty decent, im not sure on the breakpoints for it tho

the blessing and perks really arent great however

[vague smelt]

Does this ILG works or it's lacking

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s a solid ILG

[vague smelt]

Do I lose much from 10% crit weakspot?

[tiny summit]

Crit/weakspot perks are worse than the dmg type bonuses

[delicate hornet]

iirc crit weakspot damage isnt great

[last parcel]

yes that 3% damage difference makes the gun literally unusable despite the perks and good base rating
scrap for dockets and burn your gpu to be safe

[tiny summit]

[faint beacon]

Sell your entire PC its bricked

[umbral scaffold]

just rolled this bros.. i have a r3 handcannon i could replace sustained fire with and a few days ago someone said 25% unarmored is good for one shotting dreg gunners

[faint beacon]

In all seriousness unless it’s Power Cycler, T3-4 don’t really massively matter much in difference

[vague smelt]

What people prefer mk12 or IA?

[faint beacon]

1A and 4

12 is the bastard child not many people like even though I think it’s cool

[last parcel]

12 is for old people

[crude fiber]

mk12 was the best on release i remember but enemy and other weapon buffs made it irrelevant in current meta

[somber axle]

Mg1a has the best combo of breakpoints, fire rate and damage output imo but it will struggle more than the others on ammo. Not really a big deal though and you don't really even need Shock Trooper or Surv Aura to offset it depending on how heavily you lean into melee. Only really a problem with ammo goblin teams hoarding tins and packs

Mk IV feels like an infinite ammo gun but you will be spamming more shots per kill. Very fun if you like laser vomit and speed. Also feels very good to use because it has instant sprint to fire iirc

Mk XII is behind on fire rate significantly and the breakpoints it can reach are just a bit better than the Mg1a which isn't saying much. Not bad just outclassed by the other variants on DPS/TTK

[serene bough]

mk4 my favorite

i remember when everyone was running the mk12

[somber axle]

The only problem with the Mk IV is that it objectively had the worst base model but just use a skin I guess LOL

[crude fiber]

oh? update for darktide?

anything changed?

[serene bough]

i have the winter scar skin from twitch drops

[serene bough]

some ingame event with some mystery enemy apparently

[faint beacon]

It won’t be active till Thursday

Strawhat said that in general

[crude fiber]

new content?!

[faint beacon]

So we can’t technically do it till then

[somber axle]

New shadow monster...

In everybody's fav modifier

LIGHTS OUT

Can't wait

[crude fiber]

at least ill get to finish the 50 lights out missions penance i suppose

[serene bough]

the flashlight meta is here

[somber axle]

Time for more Exe Stance squad highlight and lasguns with flashlights

[crude fiber]

shared exe stance highlight meta incoming

[somber axle]

Rip to anyone without flashlights good luck seeing in the dark

[serene bough]

on the topic to buff exe stance, highlight should be built in

or at least last until exec stance runs out instead of just 5 seconds

[somber axle]

Squad highlight and all shooter highlight. Add in a new node to highlight poxwalkers. I want to flashbang the team with my Exe Stance when a horde spawns and make hounds/trappers harder to see

[faint beacon]

I mean James found out you can do it early with a mod and now I know who it is

[crude fiber]

doesnt team highlight last as long as your stance is active now? or have i been lied to

[tame lodge]

Seems like it does

[serene bough]

I was under the impression it only lasts 5 seconds, unless its been changed

or is that just the refresh ability

says it only lasts 5s

[heavy rover]

I thought it would refresh for allies as well

Been a while since I've touched exe stance, so I may be out of the loop

[lusty shuttle]

read the rest of your nodes

[faint beacon]

The highlight for team is such a cool concept but you genuinely shoot yourself in the foot for running it

[tiny lichen]

space marine copying darktide's lobby is crazy 💀

[lusty shuttle]

?

[hard cave]

I wish exe stance was on par with viability as voc

[tiny lichen]

in the new trailer it looks so much the same

like darktide

[last parcel]

commander, advent are making progress on the avatar project

[faint beacon]

SM2s Lobby is similar

[lusty shuttle]

I mean, its in universe

[last parcel]

if we want to stop them, we'll have to move fast

[serene bough]

i did, others apply to common gunners but the enemy highlighting is still 5s only per activation

[faint beacon]

On par with VOC would need major buffs or changes

[lusty shuttle]

yeh for your teammates but not for yourself

my bad I was not thinking when I responded with that

[serene bough]

not a problem

[last parcel]

relatable

[serene bough]

VoC is kinda busted it would be better to tune overheal THP and buff exec

thing is, most weapons can perform well without exec stance, whereas previously you needed exec stance since most weapons were weak

[faint beacon]

VOCs golden toughness and Tactical Awareness are the actual issues

Cause like you have to admit yeah it’s more brain dead to spam out VOC cause a poxhound horde spawned

But you can manage multiple infils off the same situation with Tac Awareness

[serene bough]

if they give Tac Awareness the Survivalist treatment of activating every few seconds it would properly nerf

that's most likely what they'll end up doing eventually

[native cave]

your opinion on the bolter? 😄

[somber axle]

Kinda. On aurics there are usually way more than enough specials and elites to go around. Your team being able to see the 3 snipers, 8 gunners, 8 shotgunners, 2 pox bombers, 3 hounds and 2 muties coming their way should mean even in the worst case scenario you still have something to shoot to keep the Relentless node refreshing Exe Stance with squad highlight up

Ai director likes to be extra silly sometimes

When it comes to famine moments without many elites or specials in close proximity it's probably a wasted Exe Stance use and at best squad highlight is at least giving the squad wallhacks to see what elites are patrolling the next room over or what specials are appearing in the distance behind doors

It's harder to judge when is a good moment to pop Exe Stance because tbh it feels like it can have near permanent uptime with Tactical Awareness -6 sec CD per special kill and the 5 sec refresh on any highlight kill

So sometimes even when there are only a few targets it feels worth using just for the knowledge of what is where (especially when audio bugs out and the silent poxburster train clipping inside itself is sneaking up)

[tiny summit]

I think the mindset of thinking the team vision is stealing from your own performance is hella dumb

Problem still being Exe is lacking survivability of the other 2

So the dmg is still kinda meh to not make up for the usability of the others

[trail totem]

running voidstrike psyker you need to leave some meat on the bone and only get rid of targets in close vicinity/specials about to spam their bullshit or the highlight ends real fast

[somber axle]

It's a world of breakpoints and weapons being able to comfortably hit 1HKO breakpoints through other means invalidates Exe Stance for a lot of loadouts. If you can comfortably meet a breakpoint with perks/blessings/other talents then why would you need Exe Stance? It's really niche right now for funny boss instagib builds, team support on squad highlight for vent purge/lights out and to help hit breakpoints you otherwise couldn't dream of

Because there's no way you will ever comfortably reach a 1HKO (or really anything below 4 shots) breakpoint against a Crusher running Infiltrate or Voice of Command in any realistic scenario but you can bring Exe Stance to a reliable 2HKO vs Crushers with Exe Stance on the Helbore Mk II and push 1HKO with Exe Stance + Combat stim

It does funny numbers but mechanically doesn't change much for what we currently deal with

Except for hyper specific scenarios like the Helbore Mk II

[willow siren]

It's strange to me to go from psyker and ogryn where all 3 of the abilities have a strong use case, and then get on vet where 2 of them are full of hmm hums

[somber axle]

Infiltrate is unironically good

[wraith perch]

I like my veteran to scream

[somber axle]

It's just that VoC is so powerful right now that it feels weak comparably

[willow siren]

I like infiltrate, I am not good with infiltrate. But I am aware that's its my own skill issue

[somber axle]

But Infiltrate lets you make very interesting clutch plays

VoC's most interesting interaction is pushing a Plogryn off a ledge

[trail totem]

yeah the usual problem is if you spammed voc instead there would've been no need to clutch

[somber axle]

Pretty much and it makes the game extra boring as a result

The game is just so much more bland when you can lean so heavily into the survivability of VoC

[serene bough]

i like infiltrate because it lets you handle event objectives uninterrupted, you get threat reduction, and also pretty significant movement speed on activation

[somber axle]

It sorta trivializes a lot of encounters

[trail totem]

feels like golden toughness itself might need a bit of a tone down

or make it exclusive to chorus and make voc only give basic bitch blue toughness

[willow siren]

I enjoyed vet alot more doing the 10 stack pen with recon and ex stance than I do most games with voc

[serene bough]

you can beef up infiltrate to juice damage to the extreme but i prefer to use it from a counter-fire perspective

[somber axle]

The extra damage from Exe Stance is very fun on Recons yeah

[willow siren]

With recon the stacks were comically easy to keep up

Just sweeping hordes at head height

[tiny summit]

VoC was a mistake

[somber axle]

Lots of Vets have suggested changes to VoC but regardless of how it gets nerfed people will be upset when the nerf finally drops just like with Surv Aura (even if it ends up being objectively better for more engaging gameplay long term)

[last parcel]

so was my birth but let’s not let trivial details stop us

[trail totem]

if/when they nerf voc I'll just start using it off cooldown instead of like once or twice per mission

[tiny summit]

Wouldve been better if VoC was never conceived and there was another ability. Ogryn bullrush/taunt and Zealot relic shouldve been the end of the area stagger

[willow siren]

Don't worry, there is still time to correct it

[sharp epoch]

they should kinda make stealth and the shooter stance one actually good before they nerf voc

[somber axle]

Plus VoC getting a nerf will probably make a lot of Damnation, Aurics and Maelstroms feeling extra sweaty for a bit while people so heavily reliant on VoC adjust to the nerfed state

[willow siren]

Buff infiltrate to recloak you if you kill an elite

[tiny summit]

Right now the only reason I like Exe is because I like funny lights being taken out and the personal satisfaction to keep it rolling

[somber axle]

Nerfed VoC will kill lots of VoC Vets used to leaning into it so hard

I think it just needs an uptime nerf tbh

[hard cave]

I gotta complete my auric maelstrom pennances then b4 they nerf voc,,,

[somber axle]

It has permanent uptime with Tactical Awareness and having permanent gold toughness through fights is goofy levels of broken LOL

[trail totem]

fart smella build recloaking in pox gas on twin hardmode soaking up thousands of toughness damage

[tiny summit]

Problem being is that VoC with how it works in a horde based co-op shooter...its gonna be good and standout from everything until its nerfed to the point of circumstantial use

[sleek garden]

I use exec with a lasgun to boost the damage and get some zoom

use it with the 15% headshot toughness regen or ghost and you can wipe out columns of shooters or gunners

[somber axle]

It could be reworked to useful without being broken overpowered and still have people angry it was nerfed

[trail totem]

well they'll have to gut psykinetic aura too then

[willow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-guy-filthy-frank-papa-franku-gif-18540947

[trail totem]

like they did with the zealot crit cdr

[willow siren]

Don't forget ogryn has bruiser

And it's functions the same as vets

[somber axle]

Nah that's fine. What I mean by uptime nerf is cutting the duration substantially. Make it more of a reactive ability you need to time because as is VoC might as well just be a gold toughness aura for the team

You can nerf VoC without hurting Exe Stance or Infiltrate

Tactical Awareness nerf is an option but is a blanket nerf that hits them all

Cutting VoC buff duration would affect VoC exclusively

[trail totem]

that wouldn't change anything imo

[somber axle]

Tactical Awareness does feel too strong though

[tiny summit]

Usually blanket nerfs to hit one ability just makes its worse than the intended ability nerf

[willow siren]

It's funny that all the classes have a version of it

But ogryn and vet is just kill elite

[trail totem]

exe stance just keeps on going until its naturally off cooldown, doesnt need cdr

[somber axle]

Imagine cutting VoC duration to 1/2 or even 1/3 the current duration. The uptime is impacted massively. Now you don't have VoC gold toughness active throughout every combat encounter and it needs to be used more reactively vs high pressure moments instead of just spamming it on CD to have literal 100% uptime

[trail totem]

vet only feeds off specials

[willow siren]

Ogryns is the exact same

I've chained 3 volleys fires back to back before

It's that good

In melee only maelstroms taunt has a 100% uptime

[trail totem]

inb4 everyone who overly relies on voc just starts playing 2+ vets and chain shouts back to back

[frank ether]

Having one fun ultimate was indeed too much for veteran

all vet ults must be useless dogshit larp ults

[faint beacon]

It’s almost like you use VOC to buff the team when a horde comes or multiple people are low on toughness

[frank ether]

Oh wow exe stan gives stun immunity

[faint beacon]

Then you have people who just

Spam it

[frank ether]

thats oh so damn useful

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[frank ether]

(zealot gets it passively)

[willow siren]

(So does ogryn lmao)

[faint beacon]

Hey no worries we get
checks notes

[frank ether]

oh wow you can go invisible how useful

[faint beacon]

Peaking over cover with 0 benefits

[frank ether]

(zealot uses it to one shot things)

[somber axle]

VoC has a CD of 30 sec
Gold toughness has a duration of 15 sec
With triple combat ability regen perks across curios for 12% CD you can drop it to 27 sec. You literally only need THREE SPECIAL KILLS when using Tactical Awareness node to have VoC ready to use again before gold toughness wears off in that scenario. Without combat ability regen perks you need 4 or you kill 3 and wait 2 extra seconds. This is trivial to do with constant special spawns in higher difficulties. Functionally a Vet will be able to spam VoC far more than just maintaining uptime on gold toughness and be a toughness battery for the squad

[frank ether]

you have one ultimate that beats the zealot counterpart at being generally useful and its immediately deemed a problem because the terminally online zealot mains told you so lmao

like sure dude

whats next

kruber is overpowered?

[fossil basalt]

VOC is fine buff exe stance

[lyric dock]

Can you speak up. I lost my hearing after the 3rd VoC in 20 seconds

[faint beacon]

I don’t think VoC needs to be gutted but I don’t mind tweaking

[lyric dock]

I wouldn't mind if it had a longer CD of like 45 seconds

[faint beacon]

I genuinely think it’s Tac Awareness it allows for a lot of bullshit

[trail totem]

would be kinda cool if the tax nodes buffed teammates at least

[willow siren]

I would rather we see the other 2 buffed over a nerf

[willow siren]

That's the nature of cdr nodes in all games

They have always caused balance issues

[frank ether]

Tac awareness in a game that thinks sending 10 low HP muties at you is ''difficulty''

but its voc that overperforms surely

[somber axle]

Cut duration for gold toughness in half to 7 seconds
Now you have to kill 4 specials in 7 seconds to maintain constant uptime on VoC. Not impossible but it narrows the window significantly and makes it more of a reactive buff to use vs sniper shots, poxburster pops, etc. instead of having constant uptime for trivial effort

[trail totem]

idk man that still seems too powerful especially on maelstroms or hishocks throwing softie special waves at you

[somber axle]

It is already more powerful than that LOL

[frank ether]

just delete the yellow toughness

[lyric dock]

Maelstorm is gonna throw so many specials at you that any sort of CDR skill is gonna go bonkers

[frank ether]

so we can stop pretending

and I can go back to playing zealot

[somber axle]

VoC is legitimately that strong already with a longer duration and an easier time spamming

[willow siren]

Most games put a hard cap on how much it can regen, and how often it procs

[fossil basalt]

I always just found it amusing that the best "let the shooter shoot more" is VoC and not EXE.exe

[willow siren]

Usually, in the 50% area

[lyric dock]

Oh 100% for most other games

[faint beacon]

Cause you can tank more damage is why

[somber axle]

Oh wait my math was wrong on my original post whoops LMFAO

[trail totem]

the problem is unless you quarter the duration AND double the cooldown its still gonna be very much spammable soaking up a lot of would-be damage across the whole team

[fossil basalt]

No toughness on exe is big dumb

[faint beacon]

Personally this is going to sound fucking insane, but I think it would be really funny on highlight kill you get a second of ranged attack immunity

Personally imo that would be really funny

[somber axle]

30 sec CD and 15 sec duration on gold toughness means you only have 15 sec of downtime to compensate for which means 3 special kills will allow you to use VoC before the buff drops and 2 special kills means you only have a 3 sec downtime between the next VoC gold toughness buff

The uptime is just kinda insane as is right now

[sleek garden]

i think they should take the increased cooldown of the res node for voice of command and make it part of the base ability

[trail totem]

so either rework the whole ability, gut cdr or dont touch any of that and release some bogus t6 modifier giving you idk 10 corruption every time you ult

[lyric dock]

And this is before we factor in other factors like Psyker aura to reduce CDs

[sleek garden]

so it doesnt feel like a throw point to grab res shout

[lyric dock]

10 corruption won't really matter because you can jsut have a Zealot with the aura to clean corruption go to town unless you make it like Grim Corruption where it can't be cleanse away

[faint beacon]

The idea is cool but they do need to rework it

[fossil basalt]

Cutting AOE for rez is still bad (rez shout advocate)

[somber axle]

I don't think you would need to go that far tbh. 4 sec buff on VoC with a 45 sec CD would be hilarious but also would probably cripple it beyond use in most Vet eyes. The window becomes too short and the uptime goes down the drain. You would need 7 special kills in 4 seconds to refresh VoC before gold toughness buff drops in that scenario and even though that can be feasible for something like hunting grounds the ability would start to feel too weak and unfun

I don't think it needs BOTH a CD nerf and a duration nerf

[willow siren]

Ogryns going the entire missions without ulting bc we don't need to to he effective

[somber axle]

Just an uptime nerf that targets one or the other

[lyric dock]

I'm fine with a general CD nerf

Right now you can have your cake and eat it too

[trail totem]

after they nerfed the god build exe stance post update 13 it just doesnt feel right when you use it not a fan of infiltrate either

[somber axle]

Exe Stance could use some QoL buffs like not dropping if you get pounced/netted/grabbed and not dropping when swapping melee. Could also improve it by making Relentless 5 sec duration refresh baseline so the talent tax is less awful

[faint beacon]

I mean I don’t really use VOC as a spam tool more so a “I’m taking way to much damage”/“my team is getting fucking hammered” option

[trail totem]

i know im still gonna be using voc no matter the timer or cooldown

[faint beacon]

To avoid pointless HP loss

[somber axle]

I would love if Relentless got a tiny buff in the form of a slight duration increase for improving Exe Stance uptime but I don't think they would go that direction because it doesn't have uptime issues like Marksman's Focus used to

[faint beacon]

I feel like if Vets learned that type of mindset more instead of spamming it out they very well could adjust to a nerf

[lyric dock]

Throw in a full mag refill on use (Hell I would accept a 50% refil to the mag)

[tall torrent]

Just run ghost

[willow siren]

Wild to me the ogryns gun stance refills mags, and yours dont

[somber axle]

It used to but something something Gunlugger Ogryn identity

[faint beacon]

Again I’m just saying it would be REALLY FUNNY on highlight kill if it gave you a second of ranged immunity

[fossil basalt]

Ghost pt2: shooter boolagoo

[trail totem]

it used to be an ultimate power fantasy some guy in mf rags slowly walking towards 7 gunners and 20 shooters with a shitty shredder pistol just MOWING everything and getting full ammo refunds

[somber axle]

That could be fun for some weapons that don't have Ghost as a blessing or for some builds to ignore Ghost and swap that blessing for a different blessing

[lyric dock]

Gunlugger is Melee ogryn, but for a few times a match they become Dakka machines

[tiny summit]

I would be a fan of longer base duration, Xs restore on kill over complete refresh

[fossil basalt]

Brauto go brrrrrrrrr

[trail totem]

what exe stance really needs is refreshing off ogryn kills

[fossil basalt]

Enemy ogryns, right?

[somber axle]

From what I've heard Shredder Autopistol was funny because of Pinning Fire and when that got nerfed both the Boltgun and Autopistol fell to the wayside but idk I didn't play during that patch/era

[willow siren]

It was oppressively good

[tiny summit]

Vet would never shoot (harming) big man

[trail totem]

it was exactly as i described. any ranged damage was a complete non-issue and every kill would net you more than you lost

[somber axle]

I'd love if they took a node for a more supportive role. Imagine a node that gives allies bonus damage vs highlighted targets too. Then you could do squad highlight and that to play the theme of a "spotter". Point out targets to set them up and help knock them down like the fun pairing of sharpshooter/spotter

Extra funny if the bonus damage combos with Tauntgryn to open up new funny breakpoints for some classes

[fossil basalt]

Mmm spotter build with kanXII

[tiny summit]

Problem being Darktide players and power level are selfish. Why help team dmg when everyone is building for their own bps

[sleek garden]

i think what would make the shredder autopistol a lot better

is cleave on bullets

[fossil basalt]

Boooo, x3 damage better than x1

[sleek garden]

i dont care if the bullets do a tenth of the normal damage

[somber axle]

Field Improv exists and despite people arguing about it being a potential wasted point if another Vet has it, people do still run it and it is a fantastic team support talent for trivial cost

[sleek garden]

if it punches through several it will instantly be better

[faint beacon]

I will never forget the Zealot mains getting angry at me over running smokes even when I was running highlight enemies for team lmao

[tiny summit]

I wont forget a shieldgryn bemoaning about smokes when a teammate was down and there was a whole squad of gunners shooting

[faint beacon]

The “blocking LOS with smokes” argument

[midnight totem]

No. Selfish only.

[faint beacon]

The usual

[tiny summit]

No team. Only ego

[faint beacon]

What matters is number 1

[trail totem]

ally highlight kills giving half the duration refresh would be kinda cool

[faint beacon]

ME

[midnight totem]

No ego. Only the Emperor

[tiny summit]

Field Improv still provides value to you on top of bonuses to tean

[trail totem]

field improv is busted and absolutely carries most fucked up maelstroms

[midnight totem]

If the Emperor wanted me to get field improv I'd be doing Karnak Twins hard agai- ah shit

[willow siren]

Wait do other vets actually not use field improv? I love the node. On all my vets

[faint beacon]

I never use it

I just invest my points elsewhere

[midnight totem]

I only use it on my grenadier build

[faint beacon]

I’m less of a support through getting a drop midway through a run and worry about constantly supporting my team

[midnight totem]

If I ever need to throw 5+ frags in a minute

[faint beacon]

Smokes with Tinkerer

[serene bough]

I take field improv

[faint beacon]

I will never be convinced it’s bad

[willow siren]

In my eyes, as a career ogryn, it's as good as soften them up, not taking it feels like throwing.

[midnight totem]

Smokes should highlight enemies inside it

[serene bough]

its a very build dependent discussion but I'd argue if you can reach demo stockpile (which you should), then you should take field improv

[midnight totem]

That's my only gripe

[faint beacon]

I don’t really have a gripe with smokes at all

[trail totem]

killing a slug and CS in a tight corridor solo while running absolute dogshit armourbane farming build

[faint beacon]

I also don’t understand people getting pissed about the gunner halfway across the map with his other buddies hosing us down being an issue that I threw smoke in front of us to avoid taking damage

Like tagging is a thing

[midnight totem]

You ever install the scoreboard mod?

[tall torrent]

Field Improvisation is good when u can afford it

[midnight totem]

It will sadden you, at how little pubs tend to tag

[faint beacon]

Yes I don’t have the tag one set up though

[junior needle]

Don't need to tag things you're about to kill

[willow siren]

I tag anything I don't think I can kill in yhr next 3 seconds

[midnight totem]

I tag things I about to kill anyway

[faint beacon]

I fucking hate that argument in an unironic sense

[trail totem]

i usually only tag shit that is either a threat or i dont plan to kill so no one steals my kdr/warp charge refresh

[midnight totem]

"Watch this sick headshot"

[faint beacon]

Like what if the lets say Reaper manages to retreat

Or something important flanks behind us

[midnight totem]

"See that? Oh now you don't, aw yeah"

[faint beacon]

Aw yeah!!! Vector!

[junior needle]

If you can confidently kill it then it's unnecessary, if you can't then tag it if you want

[faint beacon]

I seriously just thinks it’s game etiquette to tag

Like it’s 1 second

Click button

[midnight totem]

Sometimes I tag just to make headshots easier for myself with all the shit flying around

[faint beacon]

This also, makes it easier to focus on the gunner in the back raising hell when a horde is coming

[slow spade]

You should never tag especially dangerous enemies

Sponsored by Nurgle

[junior needle]

I can't see any practical benefit of tagging something you're about to instantly delete, not only slightly delaying the time for you to delete it but also encouraging people to drop what they're doing to look at something that's about to be a nonissue.

[midnight totem]

Never said it was practical

[junior needle]

Didn't mean you, it was more of a consideration for it being considered "game etiquette"

[somber axle]

That would be a nice idea but I worry it would give it permanent uptime in Exe Stance in Aurics/Maelstrom LOL

If anyone killing any elite/special increases duration then Exe Stance will functionally be up the whole game like VoC

[trail totem]

thats bad why?

[somber axle]

I don't think buffing Infiltrate and Exe Stance to the crazy uptime levels of VoC is the right direction

You steadily create player power creep and further trivialize content

I don't want the game to be easier tbh

[trail totem]

tbh just make infiltrate into shroudfield 2

supression sucks ass

[trail totem]

t6

with 1 to 1 exact copies of t5 rewards

not a docket more

[somber axle]

I would double down on being support through Exe Stance tbh. Spotter fantasy giving allies in coherency suppression immunity and a small damage buff as a separate node to squad highlight. Zealots and Gunkers would love me

[tall torrent]

Nah

New difficulty just means all the current balance goes into waste

[trail totem]

what balance?

[severe gale]

contrary to popular belief fatshark's balancing is actually pretty good

just slow

[tall torrent]

Would u like a weapon u spent resources on crafting to instantly lose every single one of its major breakpoints

[trail totem]

plasma and revolver cleave nerfs are long overdue

[severe gale]

.

[tall torrent]

Difficulty doesn’t increase enemy mass

It’s just spawn/health adjustment

Spawn, cool

Health, no

[serene bough]

generally I agree, the state of the game is far more balanced than it was a year ago. Albeit player power is definitely a bit high right now

[junior needle]

Taking years to get things right despite tons of suggestions from the community about how to do it properly does not qualify as "pretty good" imo

[severe gale]

plasma's cleave is mostly fine, it needs some nerfs as to it being such a strong generalist weapon

draw time, ammo count

[tall torrent]

No it’s rly just cleave

[severe gale]

is it really?

[tall torrent]

Cleave & ammo usage

[severe gale]

tbf i havent seen many plasma guns lately in auric

[tall torrent]

If u want a strong generalist plasma it’s pretty hard to craft

[trail totem]

if they nerf draw time it might as well not exist anymore

[somber axle]

Make Relentless baseline for 5 sec refresh on highlight kill then replace the node with something like

Kill Team
Allies in coherency gain suppression immunity and +20% ranged base damage for the duration of Exe Stance.

Things like Covering Fire and Born Leader exist that provide no personal benefit to the Vet so it would feel fun to double down on that identity of a squad support role through Exe Stance. Infiltrate is the stealth ambulance. VoC is a gold toughness battery. Exe Stance has squad highlight for support but I'd love another option

[tall torrent]

U need super specific stat rolls to have a plasma that hits all of its breakpoints

[trail totem]

it would be worse than halving the cleave

[severe gale]

most of my comparison of balance is relative to helldivers 2, the other major PvE game right now

[tall torrent]

Balance via jank (draw speed) is not good

[severe gale]

and compared to HD2 fatshark is amazing

[junior needle]

HD2 has a different set of issues more related to design philosophy (Primary weapons can't be good because you spawn in with them and we WANT you to feel powerless without strategems)

[tall torrent]

It needs more than halving the cleave

[severe gale]

nobody would take it tbh, support in this game is not really a think

the best support is making sure everything is dead

[severe gale]

hd2 makes me sad

[trail totem]

that might be a good start to observe any changes in dynamic

[somber axle]

I would. There are some fun Medic builds too. I don't think Support is a popular playstyle but I would love more ways to play support in squads

[trail totem]

should still be more than enough for just special/elite dunking

[tall torrent]

Start by cutting cleave (uncharged shots) from 100 down to between 6~8

[somber axle]

Tauntgryn exists and is one of the most powerful support subclasses

[pseudo fiber]

They put out a new post saying they were revaluating that philosophy again.

Which... I thought they were already doing?

[trail totem]

so it chokes on a singular mauler? helll nah

[somber axle]

Skullcrusher + Taunt is a powerful damage buff to the team

[severe gale]

is it really support, or is it the constant stagger or the constant +20% damage thats strong

[somber axle]

So there's already precedent for a support class existing

[tall torrent]

Why do u need to spam plasma gun to kill maulers

[somber axle]

That's what support is, yes LMFAO

[tall torrent]

U want to make it less generalist, then make it less generalist

Besides that’s uncharged only

[trail totem]

you might want something behind maulers dead + a sizeable chunk of his ass vaporized

[severe gale]

the thing is you arent really using those to support your team, you use it to buff yourself. The benefits to the team aren't at all what you're using it for

[tall torrent]

Ok then charge shot

[somber axle]

Like you are directly assisting your team by providing them cover/additional power vs just giving yourself more power. That's just playing support

[severe gale]

something more specifically support would be zealot's chorus, which is not very strong

[trail totem]

that'd be a waste of ammo if its some softie special

[somber axle]

Wdym you are passively assisting the team by doing what you normally do. That's fantastic design. The player supports by doing what the player already wants to do

Even if you didn't intend to help others you are

That is the fun part

[tall torrent]

Against an enemy designed to block cleave idk why plasma has to have an exception

[somber axle]

Like VoC Vets

You help others by doing what benefits you

[tall torrent]

Ur argument does not make sense

[severe gale]

but then you arent taking it for support, you're taking it to increase damage to kill things more, and killing is the best form of support

[somber axle]

Zealot Chorus is also a very strong support tool tbh

[tall torrent]

Nerf plasma uncharged cleave down to 6~8 (I’m leaning more towards 7.5)
Buff plasma charged shot ammo cost from 9 to 6

If it still doesn’t feel right, nerf uncharged shot ammo cost from 3 to 4

[somber axle]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying that because you are taking it for personal reasons it doesn't count as a supportive option despite directly benefiting allies more than just "I killed it"?

[severe gale]

removing yourself from the fight for 5 seconds, for a 20% damage boost, when you could just be killing and be dealing far more damage isnt really that strong. its a nice oh shit button but

[severe gale]

yeah basically

[junior needle]

I haven't been keeping up to date with it, but I'm sure it took them this long to do it because they were riding the high off of how popular it was at release. Massive declines in player counts are a hell of a wake up call, unless your companies name is fatshark.

[trail totem]

thats getting into too powerful territory again

[tall torrent]

What’s too powerful about it

[severe gale]

just make the charged shot useful

[somber axle]

It alleviates pressure in high stress moments. It can help a team safely cross pox clouds which makes it very safe to walk through gas phase on something like Karnak Twins as an example and stagger stuns nearby enemies to set them up for easy killing. And on top of it doing all that you can give yourself and others gold toughness. Being unable to attack for a short period isn't a bad tradeoff. Compare it to TF2 Medic. Is the TF2 Medic useless because they can't attack while using a Medigun?

[trail totem]

6 for fully charged?

[severe gale]

compares a PvE game to an entirely different PvP game

[tall torrent]

What’s wrong about it

[pseudo fiber]

This was like 3 hours ago. But basically it went
"Biggest update yet"
Nerf fire before fire warbond
New enemies have crazy ragdoll
Game runs worse.

All kinda joined together into madness

[trail totem]

unless you're glued to the plasma you're not gonna run out of ammo like ever

[tall torrent]

Charged shot’s current problem is that it has no ammo or dps benefits over uncharged shot x3, and has risk of blowing urself up

[severe gale]

high stress moments that something like charge or shroudfield can also eliminate or outright prevent, while also staying in the fight, killing enemies, and being sure that what you want dead can actually be killed

[trail totem]

im pretty sure you can use lmb quick vent on critical into full charge without blowing up

[junior needle]

Nerf fire before fire warbond
Eggs dee, I suppose it's better than nerfing it after people have already bought in

[somber axle]

That's is a confusing take. It is still legitimately a support tool. It just doubles as a personal buff too. It's supporting whether you are taking it for selfish reasons or for squad support reasons. It's objectively a support tool. It just also strongly benefits the one using it too. Like Voice of Command. It helps you and your squad. Exe Stance Squad Highlight would better fit the argument you are trying to make because it is exclusively a tool that benefits others and not the player directly, but by benefiting others you benefit yourself too (unless the squad wipes and you are solo)

[tall torrent]

It’s still less ammo efficient and drops ur dps

[trail totem]

well yeah

[severe gale]

remove the safety from the uncharged shots, nerf uncharged cleave, buff damage and cleave of charged shots

[tall torrent]

Then give it a reason to be used? What’s wrong with that

[trail totem]

but you're just proposing a shift to charged attacks for more or less the same effect

[severe gale]

charged attacks would make the PG much more skill based a

[tall torrent]

It won’t be because most plasma breakpoints are centered around uncharged 1HS kills

You’d only really use charged shot vs mass melee elite

[severe gale]

u have 2 decide when you actually want to risk spending the time to charge a shot, vs spamming out uncharged

[tall torrent]

And that’s fine, that’s still some reason to use it instead of not using it at all

[somber axle]

Weird comparison I know but supporting doesn't make you useless. Killing isn't the end all be all. Infiltrate Stealth is taking you out of the fight to reposition/rescue/do objectives but that doesn't make it weak either. It's benefiting the player and in all those scenarios it helps the team either directly or indirectly. The only selfish part of Infiltrate is Low Profile and even then it is a support tool if you use it for objectives, rescues and using the free time to focus high priority threats

[trail totem]

the charge is so fast the only thing you need to decide is if you want more damage in 1 shot or not

[severe gale]

in darktide killing IS the end all be all. Theres a reason why the #1 stat everyone looks at is damage done in a match, then damage taken

[tall torrent]

It’s really not that fast charging lol

27rpm is the slowest firing gun in the game bar none

[severe gale]

by this argument everything is support because you're killing enemies

[junior needle]

Death is the best CC

This is a widely known fact

I support my team by removing threats immediately

I am a team player

[severe gale]

hes trying to argue that actively going for support builds is a good thing, this started when he suggested an exe stance node that would reduce suppression for teammates and increase damage against highlighted targets

[somber axle]

I don't think Shroudfield is a good tool to compare. Stagger stunning an entire wave to let an ally safely rescue a downed team mate vs Shroudfield rescuing someone into a Sniper shot/Crusher overhead. Alternatively you stab the sniper/Crusher and still have additional threats. Shroudfield can be used supportively but doesn't have the team support power that Chorus does. They're just very different. If the argument is just "kill everything is the best way to help" then like yes and no because chances are unlikely everything will be dead to the degree things will be as low pressure as a Chorus in high pressure scenarios

[unborn sorrel]

its good to build support builds if its fun. the end

if its fun its good

[tall torrent]

With enough Rashad/Karsolas on the team u really can just kill ur way out of everything

[junior needle]

There's nothing wrong with support abilities if they're good, VOC is incredibly strong for obvious reasons.

[somber axle]

Support is anything that helps your team from Infiltrate rescues to Voice of Command buff and Exe Stance highlight. Some of those directly benefit you, some do not. That is the difference

[junior needle]

Turns out a constant stupidity buffer for everyone on your team is very helpful

[somber axle]

I am not interested in redefining what support means tbh and if it means something else to you then ok

[unborn sorrel]

in my personal opinion having someone go invis to do the objective for free is nice cuz we dont have to fight extra waves

[somber axle]

And if the playstyle doesn't interest you that is fine too

[junior needle]

Oh, if we're talking pure support in that you don't get any benefit either

[severe gale]

ok so killing enemy is support then because by killing things they dont have to deal with it

[junior needle]

It also has to compete with losing the offense and create an actually interesting gameplay element

[tall torrent]

If only covering fire worked for urself too

[junior needle]

Zealot book kinda does this but not as well as VOC

But you can stunlock bosses with it for the duration

[unborn sorrel]

zealot book has seen better days

so has VOC though

[severe gale]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/irySVEip9iv5gIucC/d1337kmSWq8z?invite=cr-MSxaN3osMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[unborn sorrel]

remember when it gave wayyyy too much shield

[severe gale]

voc needs to get nerfed

even more

[tall torrent]

The fact that u saw the heretic idol but didn’t immediately draw ur gun to pop it is heresy

[severe gale]

tbf

we were on sedition

it was only 10 plasteel

but we killed it after

[inland orchid]

It isn’t 0 plasteel so u have no excuse

[severe gale]

er

i meant i got it after

[midnight totem]

Good save

[pseudo fiber]

+100 toughness 30 second cooldown funniest buff ever what were they cookin

[midnight totem]

Heretic

[inland orchid]

Hesitation is a sign of heresy

[somber axle]

No? LOL

[midnight mortar]

Yeah offering something of equal value to the opportunity cost of not attacking/dealing damage in a tide game is a really tall order.

[unborn sorrel]

yeah old Voice of command was hilarious

[midnight mortar]

And as shown, is really hard to come by.

[unborn sorrel]

4 veterans running it

[somber axle]

Killing things is damage focus, not support focus

[unborn sorrel]

literally infinite shield

[severe gale]

what if golden toughness wasnt a number but how many hits it could absorb,
VOC gives 1 hit, chorus gives 2 depending on how long its held

[somber axle]

Things you do are not always supportive

[severe gale]

i think that would be cool

[somber axle]

You killing a mutie didn't support others

It just removed a threat

[unborn sorrel]

i think that wouldnt work with how hard some of the larger enemies hit

[severe gale]

chorus removes threats by staggering

[unborn sorrel]

imagine tanking 2 overheads fromt he crusher

[severe gale]

hm

true

[somber axle]

Buffing others, restoring team toughness, taking aggro, CC through stagger or suppression, etc. are support

[severe gale]

CC is removing threats. Killing is removing threats

what is the difference

[junior needle]

Sighs regretfully while giving backshots
"If such is the Emperors will."

[severe gale]

one permanently removes the threat, the other is only as long as u hold it

[unborn sorrel]

peril 99

[severe gale]

LMAO

[unborn sorrel]

i keep it 99 peril

[somber axle]

The difference is in how you are alleviating pressure in a stressful moment. If all you are doing is killing things that isn't team support

That's just a damage role

Literally everyone is killing things

[midnight totem]

Unless it's a smite psyker without ep

[somber axle]

When it comes to support it comes down to assisting or buffing a team mate in a way beyond that narrow view of "I kill and do damage"

When you stop looking at it exclusively as "why not kill" then you can see you can save people or protect them in more ways than just killing things

Tauntgryn peels threat off the team while increasing damage substantially

VoC Vet is AoE stagger and gold toughness squadwide

These are not killing

They are supporting your team and yes you are part of the team

[unborn sorrel]

yes

[somber axle]

Even if something directly benefits you, even if you did not intend for something you do to help others, you are and in that way those things are supportive in nature

[unborn sorrel]

yes

thats what support means

[somber axle]

Take Smoke Grenade and Psyker Bubble

Neither one kills

Those are support tools

You could say "hey just kill gunners" but that's much easier when either of those two tools are in play

That's what support is

[unborn sorrel]

yes

[somber axle]

I know this sounds obvious and goofy but I literally have to go to this weird level because of the strange debate of "is killing support"

No Patrick Mayonnaise is not an instrument

[unborn sorrel]

i think it doesnt matter

[faint beacon]

Well if the gunners are all dead then you don’t need support

[severe gale]

killing does the job of support then does it not

[faint beacon]

Duh

[unborn sorrel]

need kill. cannot kill if die. need support to not die

[somber axle]

It does not

Let me put an example here

[heavy rover]

What about horseradish?

[midnight mortar]

Technically, the job of support is to enable faster, more efficient killing. This shows up best when you compare the time it takes to kill something with the opportunity cost of not killing something else. Hence situations like tauntgryn as an example when you've got multiple crushers, ragers, and/or other enemies that you cannot all kill at once.

[unborn sorrel]

that makes the most sense

[midnight mortar]

Support allows you to pick and choose without as much risk to yourself paying the opportunity cost of not killing those ragers directly next to you if you choose to shoot the trapper or sniper etc.

[somber axle]

A team mate just got their toughness broken and is being sprayed by gunners. They are in danger of going down despite slide dodging to cover

1. You attack the Gunners and the ally goes down. The immediate threat is gone but your ally is in need of a pick up
2. You pop VoC and give them a toughness boost. If you are in range of the Gunners you stagger them out of their attacks, preventing them from firing for a short time too
3. You drop smoke and the Gunners cease tracking your squadmate, letting them safely disengage and let's the team kill the Gunners

[unborn sorrel]

its also fun doing directly co op stuff

[somber axle]

One of these isn't supporting

[severe gale]

gunners kill fast enough that you wouldnt be able to react that fast

if someones toughness breaks against a gunner wall

they're basically dead

[crude fiber]

50 toughness is also practically nothing assuming they dont have a ton of TDR

[somber axle]

You'd be surprised. VoC is strong and giving them back that toughness + staggering the Gunners if they are close enough would save them. Getting a clutch smoke off during their slide dodge would save them too. Psyker Bubble can save them. Chorus can save them. So many support tools would save someone without killing the threat

[unborn sorrel]

not on my watch with my 3 anti gunner curios

[somber axle]

The point is that damage is not always the best way to support someone

Sometimes those support tools are there to support others and help them survive tricky fights they might eat HP damage or fall to

You cannot guarantee you will just kill everything always before anyone is ever in danger

That's why all those support tools exist

To help react to emergencies

Helping shoot a Plogryn isn't being a support anymore than killing poxwalkers is

[odd sparrow]

big true. In general the support abilities in darktide are incredibly strong otherwise everyone would just optimize for damage lol

[midnight mortar]

Another good example of support would be when the situation prevents you from immediately being able to address threats safely such as with map geography/spawns creating an enemy killzone that a bubble shield would nullify, allowing you to safely engage at no threat to yourself.

[somber axle]

A lot of people already do opt for damage and some people use their support tools for themselves but the game is designed in a way that even without thinking or caring they will inevitably support and help their team by using them

[midnight mortar]

Support smooths the curve and lowers the risk of time spent and opportunity costs to yourself.

By offloading the opportunity cost onto the teammate doing the supporting.

[somber axle]

Anyway this is a weird roundabout argument just to say that I would love if they reworked Exe Stance nodes to make Relentless 5 sec refresh baseline and add more team support nodes like squad highlight into the mix

Giving the team ranged suppression immunity and a ranged damage buff would be a fun team support talent node to add to Exe Stance and I would totally grab it for a fun support themed Spotter build

Gunkers and Zealots being able to fire back at the squads of shooters, gunners and Reapers without feeling like their gun is being yanked by a rabid pox hound would be a very strong support tool

[hot whale]

Yo, was wondering if anyone has a build I can use that has the one of the auto guns at its core. Looking for solid damage and enough ammo regen to use it as my primary

[mortal orbit]

Alot of the time ppl wont CC the boss and they run amok throughout a room

Where if you stunned it, theres a window for alot of ppl to focus its crit points

Just last night a shield brother triggered the DH, sat there planted. We were able to CC chain it into a corner with grenades and the shieldgryn eventually realized what he was doing wasnt the greatest strat and joined in after it was already 75% dead

Stagger is crazy underrated. Ogryn chat hates shield, when im running vet and a shield chad floors a mauler pack its the easiest way to set up a collateral krak

Or smite

Love smite psykers

[lyric dock]

Any sort of CC is crazy strong as it gives you a few moments to readjust, focus down a HVT in the group, get a revive, or push a objective

[odd sparrow]

columnus mk V is a crazy strong autogun especially when combined with deadshot as it has a crazy crit multiplier. Theres no way to increase ammo regen beyond having a high ammo gun, taking survivalist and the talent that increases max ammo by 25%.

[hot whale]

Ty! Gonna try this out

[radiant sable]

hi vets, any advice on make every shot count? i'm using a bolter rn

[lyric dock]

Pick your favorite flavor of shotgun

[supple stag]

Shotgun it out, no surv aura

[lyric dock]

Shoot at heretics, Run out of ammo, and play melee vet for the rest of the mission

[radiant sable]

oh shotgun? Why's that?

I'd have thought the pellets would cause mischief

[lyric dock]

Because as long as 1 pellet hits the enemy it counts

[radiant sable]

does more pellets overclock (so-to-speak) the accuracy %?

[lyric dock]

Or use the revolver so you can still head shot elite and specialists, but ignore ammo pickups

[mortal orbit]

Shotgun with focus target is really good.

[radiant sable]

I was doing that with the bolter

it was working well and I thought I was keeping my accuracy up but it appears not-so

[lyric dock]

Shotguns give the best milage for it

[supple stag]

I'd just go shotgun, it's easy that way

[lyric dock]

And try to find any sort of low intense Heresy missions

[supple stag]

Roll a low ammo stat profane shotgun and go nuts

I used Kantrael I think

[mortal orbit]

Try not to dump into a horde a teammate is already clearing btw

They kill one of ur targets itll tank your %

[radiant sable]

would the hacker work

[mortal orbit]

Ya.

Jus no survive aura

[lyric dock]

And if you see another vet with it

Stay as far away from as possible

And you should get it within a game or 2 and congrats. You got one of the more annoying Vet Pens to be done

[hard cave]

EASIEST WAY TO DO IT
Grab a low ammo plasma gun from brunt

and only shoot it using over charged shots (holding m2) since it uses more ammo

You'll end up shooting maybe 10-15 shots b4 you're out of ammo

then uh

just larp as a zealot

also make sure not to kill yourself with the plasma gun

[lyric dock]

And if you do blow your own dumb ass up. Make sure you take some fuckers down with you

[hard cave]

something something psyker explosion build

[lyric dock]

Before it got patched. You could get the Psyker pen for blowing your own dumbass up and killing a elite as Vet with the plasma gun blowing up in your face

[hard cave]

lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Anyone got any fun infiltrate builds I do not like it and want to try and get into a better groove with it

[fossil basalt]

I got lots but I'm oot n aboot sorry

[woven field]

My shameless plug https://youtu.be/0WPtTWQCJrs?si=aFS00JtEvxKhxsZA

Now back to slumber

TLDR use infiltrate for damage bursts over a longer period compared to a zealot’s shroud field single attack

[pseudo fiber]

I will take a plug I'll check teh video out

Not doing much otherwise

[fossil basalt]

Infil's the GOAT imo, can be used very flexibly

[pseudo fiber]

I'm too busy crutching on shout lmfao

[woven field]

Fulfills similar role to shout but with avoidance instead of mitigation

[fossil basalt]

Yeah shout's great

I started using it again and I need to go back to infil

[woven field]

Treat it more as a flash step than pure stealth

[pseudo fiber]

That's not true I've been using more exe stance lately

[woven field]

You pop it, close gap something, they’re all suppressed when you pop out

With the damage subtalent

You have stupid burst for 10s

[fossil basalt]

Infil with deadshot VId go BRRRRRRRRR

[frank ether]

best use case is to save points reaching weapon specialist

but then you have to live with speed aura and smokes lmao

[fossil basalt]

Smokes GOAT too

[frank ether]

I think I would consider it a fine ult if some of the nodes were built in

[lyric dock]

Highly depends

The number of times smoke was more harmful then helpful

[pseudo fiber]

Gotta be... 50... 50?

[fossil basalt]

Sounds like bad smoke placement

[lyric dock]

More like 70/30

And 9/10 times. It's because the vet is working on that Smoke enemy pen

[fossil basalt]

Smokes are a big fat skill check

Bad vets give Smokes worse name

[mighty anvil]

Bistol or hacker shotgun for a melee focused build?

[inland orchid]

i love tossing smokes in choke points so all the gunners have to funnel into it to get a clearer shot

[radiant chasm]

hacker

[fading basin]

Did... they break a bunch of the blessing descriptions or something

[inland orchid]

of course, this is FS coding we talkin bout here

[fading basin]

hahahaha

i've found 4 already

[somber axle]

Switch Krak and Smoke in the talent tree please

[somber axle]

I want Smoke closer to Exe Stance

[inland orchid]

theyre a lil gift

[mighty anvil]

They just matched it with the calculator

[lyric dock]

Would be a nice thing for Exe stance vets

[lyric dock]

Why thank you for the red circle pointing it. Now I can focus my eyes there like some bad youtube click bait /s

[fossil basalt]

Yeah low-key smokes and frags are on the wrong sides

[mighty anvil]

I like to be inclusive for the mentally challenged.

[lusty sapphire]

"Saved" points are a myth in this case. Unless you just take the 2 charges

[fossil basalt]

Mmmmm 2 charges

[somber axle]

It combos so well but the talent tax to use both is awful

[lyric dock]

We love point taxes

[lusty sapphire]

How do you use smokes effectively, i never even bothered with taking them. Anyone had a positive experience with them?

[severe gale]

throw them at ur feet if getting shot at by gunners and cant really deal with them right now

throw them at gunners if you are going towards them

n thats it im pretty sure

[fossil basalt]

They block LoS.

Ranged units will continue to fire where they last saw you
Throw them at feet for cover

Throw between you and enemy to force them to move up

Never Throw on enemies

[severe gale]

ohg

fair

[fossil basalt]

It can turn "o shit room full of gunners" into "lol no melee? Nerd"

[somber axle]

The buff is from standing in the cloud and the initial pop staggers nearby enemies so you can throw it at a line of gunners if you plan on rushing into melee with them so gunners on your flanks can't shoot you while you stab

[fossil basalt]

That too, always forget they added stagger

[somber axle]

But generally do not throw at enemies unless you are certain you will be in the cloud soon after

[fossil basalt]

The very TL;DR is that it's psyker bubble without the actual blocking of shots

[somber axle]

It also stops stuff like hounds too!

[lusty sapphire]

Interesting concept in theory

But I like my shredders better since they will actually fuck up the gunners shooting at me

I will still try them out tho

Bet they can be useful for some objectives or when you get out of the horizontal elevator on gloriana

[mighty anvil]

what rolls shuld i go for on hacker

[pseudo fiber]

I like the build.
I think my main issue is I really don't like the hacker shotgun ahahah

Also the powersword is so strong it's boring etcetc we've heard that before

[woven field]

Swap it with an axe or anything else really

[pseudo fiber]

I do gotta grind out a rashad tbh

[faint beacon]

The Rashad grind will suck every ounce of resource grinding out of your pocket

[pseudo fiber]

I got the blessings I just gotta get lucky with perks

It's unarmoured rightm

[lyric dock]

And hides them in the smoke!

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + carapace/unyielding/elite

[heavy rover]

with the itemization update coming up I'm stocking up on materials and weapons these days

[lyric dock]

Crafting rework will be a huge boon

[heavy rover]

yeah, so hyped for it

I've even been checking Brunt pretty regularly just to stock up

[pseudo fiber]

I hope we get some inventory QoL as well.

Favouriting items.
Please.

[lyric dock]

And it'll be nice to actually use the other weapons instead of the same 3 I rotate through because they're happen to be lucky enough to survive the Hadron Casino

[heavy rover]

and more loadout presets pls

[uncut pebble]

More loadout presets means more strain on fatshark's already dying servers.

[somber axle]

That's what Exe Stance and squad highlight are for

[lyric dock]

If only vets I see run it actually use it

[somber axle]

Most sane Vets refuse to engage in such a steep talent tax

The worm is very silly

[severe pecan]

Best ability for vet voice of command, infiltrate, or executioners stance

???

[uncut pebble]

The other option is highlighting ogryns so I can chew through them faster. Take your pick.

[uncut pebble]

There is no "best ability," all of them are circumstantial.

Exe stance is probably the hardest one to use, though.

Voc is no thoughts head empty levels of easy.

[severe pecan]

Ye I suppose running infiltrate just doesn’t seem to do much over than save me

Other*

[uncut pebble]

You can't kill heretics if you're dead.

Nothing wrong with using infiltrate.

[radiant sable]

\o/

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

also congrats

[midnight totem]

Well I'm pretty so I ought to be saved

[somber axle]

VoC is the current strongest ability in the meta. It can fit into any loadout and provides a very strong and consistent survivability boost with functionally 100% uptime paired with Tactical Awareness

Infiltrate is probably second place. Strong personal survivability tool you can use to safely reposition, do objectives, get rescues with little risk, etc. You can underhand throw grenades without breaking stealth. If you use it with Low Profile you can shift aggro away to focus on special/elite sniping instead of meleeing poxwalkers constantly

Exe Stance is more niche imo and a lot of the time you can meet ranged weapon breakpoints comfortably without needing it. Squad highlight is nice for vent purge/lights out at least and the damage boost is funny for boss instagib builds

[uncut pebble]

Cat on their way with a wall of text:

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

I am bored at work LMFAO

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate is pretty strong u just have to play it very aggressively

[midnight totem]

why hasn't a pomni version of that been made yet?

[tall torrent]

It’s not an ability u keep to urself

[midnight totem]

internet is slacking

[severe pecan]

Yeah I thought so VOC being the meta

Just never seen too many vets using infiltrate

[midnight totem]

well you don't play with me

[somber axle]

Then Infiltrate is working properly

[midnight totem]

and you should

[somber axle]

Tbh it's also because it has the best pathing down the talent tree

[tall torrent]

It’s a point tax ability

[somber axle]

You can snag Demo Stockpile 1 min grenade regen without worming

[severe pecan]

You got a build for VOC

[tall torrent]

Very generalist

[severe pecan]

Nice one

[radiant sable]

it's time for On Overwatch

[lyric dock]

Congrats

[lyric dock]

Find a low intense Malice and be extra careful around you

And makes for good practice on dodging attacks coming from behind

And toughness damage is okay

As long the melee hit doesn't bleed into your HP bar

[radiant sable]

no low inten 😔

[lusty sapphire]

Columnus/shovel voc and you get it easy tbf

[radiant sable]

also these three fun ones to slog out 😪

tbf two of these are easy breezy

[lyric dock]

Stand up and fight and Focs you'll get in due time from playing

Armour bane is gonna be a bitch

[radiant sable]

well I'm no stranger to bitch penances

I hated knife stealth zealot

[lyric dock]

If you want advice on speeding it up. Look for Maelstorm missions that are Melee only and Scab only

[radiant sable]

but I got it done......

[lusty sapphire]

Lmao why

Just use kraks

And you'll get it

[lyric dock]

I say bitch as it

• Takes a long ass time if you do it the "Intended" way
• 2 kraks (3 if you use a talent)
• Basically have to pray no one steals your krak kill
• (Edit) 1 krak for 1 kill unless you get lucky

[umbral scaffold]

whenever i wanna know abt a weapon/talent/blessing etc i just search sneakycat posts with the keyword i need bros a saint

also copied their elite killer chainsword build and i refuse to acknowledge that its a meme build

[lusty sapphire]

I mean kinda I guess. You'll get about 20 krak kills each game if you play normally. Much more during melee only scab missions

[lyric dock]

If you abuse Scab melee missions. You'll get it much faster

[delicate hornet]

just came here to complain about armourbane and i got my answer lmao

[lyric dock]

If you do it the intended way it takes forever and a half (Using them on Maulers, crushers, and Bulwarks)

[mortal orbit]

Those moments the crusher gets focused down before your krak goes off 🥹

[lyric dock]

Yep

[delicate hornet]

re scab melee missions do u just lob them at the armoured chaff?

[lyric dock]

Yep

[delicate hornet]

nice

[lyric dock]

Helps to have both the grenade Regen and 5% chance to get a nade on Elite or specialist kill

[delicate hornet]

yeah i normally run those with shredders so just assumed to take them with krak as well

[lyric dock]

Just chuck a krak in a decently big crowd of Scab melee fodder and hope for the best

After a couple good rounds you'll make some good dents towards it

[delicate hornet]

yea i already have 300 done through regular play so hopefully shouldnt take long haha

[inland orchid]

bring a lethal proximity bolter to make the krak's explosive range bigger

[delicate hornet]

does that actually work?

[inland orchid]

easier hopes

ya some lad in here tested it earlier, ill scroll up for ya to find his clip

he used shredder frags but it still brought the point across

[delicate hornet]

thanks, wouldnt have expected for it to work on kraks haha

[radiant sable]

FIRST ATTEMPT

[inland orchid]

finally found the clip, behold WIDE shredder frags

#veteran-class message

the trick is quickswappin to the gun so its buff carries over to the nade

[umbral scaffold]

Now try on overwatch

[radiant sable]

I diud that earlier

[umbral scaffold]

Now draw her bald playing the lute

[radiant sable]

.

oh, emperor gave me this earlier. thoughts?

[pseudo fiber]

Good enough.

Folks weren't lying it is a money sink

[inland orchid]

a small price to pay for all the damage in the world, love the modifier rolls

[delicate hornet]

good base for a plasma gun, slap gets hot on there for ur second blessing and itll bop

[radiant sable]

lol lmao

guess I gotta get rummaging

[delicate hornet]

that is comically big lmfao

[pseudo fiber]

Indeed you do. That is very good

[radiant sable]

luckily brunt had a green

bought, consec'd.....

[inland orchid]

its like hadrons in the comms

[radiant sable]

bless up

if I consec the purple and I get Get Hot on it i think i'm gonna bust

[thorn lark]

yeah, but losers stop just before winning

[thorn lark]

you want get's hot

[pseudo fiber]

why is this thing so fucking good lmfao

[radiant sable]

I know, I was just told that

[random pecan]

hwo do you do this puzzle/

[radiant sable]

stand in the doorway

there will be symbols above the door

match them using the buttons

you can't see the symbols above the door through the window

but you can in the hallway

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-25165864

[random pecan]

ah i see thank you

[thorn lark]

i didn't know that

[radiant sable]

I know every skull by heart

I learned them to help others and during a penance grind recently

[delicate hornet]

either the explosion radius on kraks is too small or i just cant get it to work sadly

[austere pine]

okay what do i do here. i've got deathspitter and dumdum available at lvl 4, but would it be worth it to only get deathspitter to replace sustained fire and then change one of the perks (possible the reload)?

[inland orchid]

Kark they mustve fixed it

[faint beacon]

Should probably test with shredders when I’m home

I pray they didn’t nerf it cause it was so fucking niche and funny

If they did I’ll be slightly depressed

Could use my video as an example to test with shredders

[delicate hornet]

its simply possible that the kraks have such a small radius that a % increase doesnt affect it as much as shredders

[faint beacon]

Most likely seeing kraks are extremely small when effected by Bistols Lethal Prox

Though it does make me wonder if they still silently patched the huge shredder combos

[idle swallow]

if im doing meme spray recon with exe stance do you think ill get more value from confirmed kill or exhilirating takedown

[hearty panther]

CK or OfB

[hollow warren]

meanwhile I barely have anything left to do

[hearty panther]

Even if you're very good at landing headshots it's hard to guarantee the killshot is one.

[austere pine]

WHERE'S THE CARNIVAL MISSIONS

[somber axle]

Confirmed Kill probably. Exhil sounds nice but sometimes you will need to swap off ranged to melee and you'll be happier to have chosen Confirmed Kill or Out for Blood when you need to melee duel Ragers, Maulers, Bulwarks, etc. while cleaving through hordes

[lusty sapphire]

Kraks barely have a 1m radius

[somber axle]

Getting triple Exhil stacks is surprisingly easy with the Recons but using it as your main toughness battery can be tricky

Also Longshot is kinda meh now

Close Quarters Drill and Vanguard are better imo

Triple sprint efficiency on curios, sprint efficiency on knife, Vanguard for even more reduced sprint cost

https://tenor.com/view/cat-anime-animecat-coffee-cat-coffee-gif-7085199699292763117

Never tired, always sprint

[austere pine]

no really where are the carnival missions

i need them in my life

[uncut pebble]

Have you considered playing the game for fun instead of penances?

[rose reef]

Fellow servants of the emperor what is the preferred recon lasgun

[true umbra]

whose out here rping as a palanite enforcer?

[rose reef]

why do that when you can join the legions of cadian survivors on the mourningstar

[true umbra]

bc i love the enforcers

my favorite gw model

the shock maul shotgun combo feels weak tho

[uncut pebble]

@somber axle I summon the wall of text for recon lasgun information.

[rose reef]

lmao

[uncut pebble]

They're probably the most knowledgeable person in this server when it comes to recons and their quirks.

[somber axle]

I just got off work give me a few minutes

[uncut pebble]

👍

I'm going to try and absorb some of this information as well so I can pass it on to others.

[lyric dock]

I'm a simple vet. I trust my little old heavier las pistol

[somber axle]

#veteran-class message

Here is the message link!

The copy paste is silly to repost all the time

[fossil basalt]

[somber axle]

Anyway the tl;dr is if you are new to Recons go with the Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa as your first one to play with

[wicked epoch]

brunt blesseth thee

[somber axle]

They're more friendly to someone trying them out for the first time

[wicked epoch]

whats the II on the spectrum again?

the VId with infernus and headhunter just go for that fr fr

[fossil basalt]

hadron kinda did too

[wicked epoch]

for once she did

[somber axle]

Highest single target DPS/TTK by a very slim margin on most targets, best ammo economy by a significant margin

[fossil basalt]

if you run deadshot on VId you can cut HH for Dumdum

[wicked epoch]

i like infernus

[tall torrent]

Because they’re kinda different purpose

[wicked epoch]

on everything

[wicked epoch]

say this in ogryn term

[tall torrent]

Shock maul is low point cost melee for exe stance

Shotgun benefits most from WS quick swap

[somber axle]

Oh I have something for this!

Recon Mk II: Good ammo efficiency
Recon Mk VId: Fast fire rate, good magazine size
Recon Mk VIIa: Cleave

[wicked epoch]

thank you

i prefer the VId

[somber axle]

Same

[wicked epoch]

VIIa is neat but for what i run it as

just no

i want to kill something dead fast

[somber axle]

They're all very good and fun now

[wicked epoch]

it doesnt do it as fast as the VI

i turned the VI into a hotshot lasgun lolo

lol

[somber axle]

They all play very different to each other though

[wicked epoch]

can cut down hordes with the VI

can delete bosses as fasr

fast

[fossil basalt]

drip check

[somber axle]

Vet/10

[fossil basalt]

I haven't swapped off muh VId since the buffs I swear

[wicked epoch]

Heres my kasrkin

[somber axle]

I was a Recon Mk VId main pre-Secrets of the Machine God and after the buffs I briefly dipped into maining Recon Mk II before returning to my funny Recon Mk VId

[last parcel]

ngl i thought you were a scab gunner for a second

[pseudo fiber]

So damn good

[wicked epoch]

silencio

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/death-peely-agent-fortnite-game-gif-21145978

[true umbra]

rp tho

[tall torrent]

U can play with a role play build

[true umbra]

exactly

shock maul and shotgun

[tall torrent]

Then just play weapon specialist

[true umbra]

i use pretty much every type of RP build

wish I could post pictures

[last parcel]

complain some more and the role with come

what is your opinion on psykers

[wary wharf]

Lol finally Power Cycler 2 but only after switching to Combat Blade!!!!

[true umbra]

I never played one, lol I have 200 hours between Ogryn and Vet

[last parcel]

perfect, uninformed prejudices are the best ones and grant the role faster

[true umbra]

didn't care for Sienna in Verm so figured I wouldn't even bother

[radiant chasm]

750k damage with weapon spec dbarrle

this shit is so fun

[last parcel]

it’s a drug

[pseudo fiber]

I was using it before

I'm getting it more now

I didn't like the Hacker.

Now you just both barrel spam and it does work

[tribal pelican]

overwatch is proving difficult

getting mixed messages online does toughness damage count??

[last parcel]

no, unless it’s a hit at <100% toughness which bleeds through and hits health

[lyric dock]

If you hear a "Whoosh" sound. Dodge or quickly bring our your melee and block

Blocking is 360 degress around you

[faint beacon]

Its any Melee

any, meaning if you even get hit once

by melee

restart the run

[lyric dock]

If you get hit by melee once while at full toughness you don't take health damage

[faint beacon]

You can get blasted to hell and back via guns

[lyric dock]

Once you dip below it

Then melee smacks will bleed into your HP

[hard cave]

also ask a ogryn to guard you

I completed mine by sitting in corners and asking an ogryn to escort me