veteran-class

[sharp trail]

it is undeniable though that the great helm is fucking awesome

[last parcel]

she codex my black templars til i crusade

[midnight totem]

It's disappointing to me, when all I want to do is crusade but then these fucks bring race into it. Tainting the purity of my holy rampage

Kill mer, not redguards

[last parcel]

kill argonians slaughter argonians roundhouse kick an argonian

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/pelinal-pelinal-walk-whitestrake-the-elder-scrolls-oblivion-gif-22007114

[scarlet path]

Please tell me this is sarcasm

Hes wearing a medieval crusader outfit lol

[shadow urchin]

Everyone knows the KKK only like cosplaying as Casper.

[urban steppe]

can someone explain for what was added bolter pistol ?

[last parcel]

because it is cool

[urban steppe]

just cool nothing else more ?

what i see from it biggest plus is a better aim , but cant kill armored elites only normal ones

[idle swallow]

It exists as a scourge enabler for zealot

[midnight totem]

It has the same damage stats as the bolter

It's more mobile, less max dps because the bolter can full auto, and has different blessings available

[urban steppe]

🤔 nah

[midnight totem]

If you think so

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/pou-gif-27568079

[tame lodge]

Bait used to be believable

[scarlet path]

https://tenor.com/view/dagoth-ur-voryn-dagoth-ur-morrowind-gif-17741480836687952424

This truly honors the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned.

[sharp trail]

how does it feel after a long day of hating argonians to come back home to your argonian wife

[sinful swallow]

It's ok she's conquered

[last parcel]

never ask a nord the race of his wife

[hard cave]

she infiltrate my bolter til I powersword

[fleet thicket]

how important

is stability on vrak 7

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

if ur gonna rapid fire, quite important

[fleet thicket]

vrak 7 isnt the rapid fire though no?

[tall torrent]

if u only take measured shots, not that important

[fleet thicket]

you watn surgical on it?

[tall torrent]

vraks 7 is the fastest firing semi auto 1 tap gun

240rpm (faster than MG1a and actually 1 taps things)

[last parcel]

that recoil reset time kreygasm

[fleet thicket]

i see okay

tbf i think damage is more important 78% damge and stop power means you one tap ragers

with surgical and deadly accurate

well scab ragers XD

[tall torrent]

yea it's a neat breakpoint

but it's not the most impactful cuz rager headshots are fundamentally unreliable in combat

they move way too much

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tall torrent]

No

It’s +crit chance based on heat lvl

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tall torrent]

High heat = close to max benefit from gets hot

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[last parcel]

not a 550 scrap for dockets

[arctic rampart]

up to 50% crit chance (+25% damage) is a top tier blessing. most people take gloryhunter or blaze away depending on preference https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/plasma-gun/m35-magnacore-mk-ii-plasma-gun. (the other options are weaker)

[faint beacon]

549 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

In all seriousness good roll

[quiet summit]

Worth getting?
https://imgur.com/a/31kEhKO

purple is my old weapon from emperor's gifts

[lean bloom]

worth?

[midnight mesa]

How do I do the funny grenade penance

Where you have to hit 5 enemies with a grenade without it bouncing?

[tall torrent]

throw at smth rly far away
or throw high up
goal is to have the grenade airburst

[stray stream]

Do u guys have some tips to manage the columnus infantry autogun recoil ? This thing is wild

[mighty anvil]

just hipfire

[stray stream]

U mean, no zoom ?

[faint beacon]

I just aim downwards

When it starts climbing

[last parcel]

shoot a wall a few times and try to get a feel for a it

[mighty anvil]

Yeah the hipfire in this game is extremely accurate

[lean bloom]

good perks for the agripinaa?

[tame lodge]

CSGO it

[mighty anvil]

on a serious note burst fire when ads

[tall torrent]

Crouching reduces recoil
Moving increases recoil

[obtuse oriole]

Which is thee machine gun lasgun

[lyric dock]

Recon

[last parcel]

Accatran mk II/VId/VIIa recon lasgun
VIIa is a bit less on the machine gun side though

[obtuse oriole]

I've only just started Vet

[heavy rover]

they're all pretty viable IMO. MK VId is good for time-to-kill and stacking Onslaught brittelness. MK II is good with ammo efficiency. VIIa is good for horde clear because it has cleave

[obtuse oriole]

yeah this needs a ammo factory to actually run

[lyric dock]

Once you get Shock trooper. Recon has decent ammo endurance

It can last a good bit before you get too dangerously low on Ammo

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is the fastest firing variant with the highest capacity magazine size

Lemme fetch the chart again

[last parcel]

The Recon Chart

[broken terrace]

do you need any talents to make dagger work?

mk 3

[somber axle]

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

Recon Mk VId has the highest rate of fire, Recon Mk VIIa has a cleave value of 3 on each shot. To explain the cleave it means it can shoot 2 poxwalkers down (each has a hit mass of 1.2) so the first shot will penetrate it and strike the target behind it too. This is extra helpful for cleaving through hordes to hit a Rager in the middle of them

If your brain screams for vomiting as many lasers as you possibly can in the direction of problems you will probably enjoy Recon Mk VId most

[faint beacon]

Lasers that cause moderate to severe burns

[lyric dock]

And a reminder you may have 3 other teammates that need ammo so remember to share it around. If you need to conserve ammo. You have a Melee weapon and Vet has good number of choices to choose from

Unless you're in a full staff psyker squad

Then go crazy

[obtuse oriole]

And this is the reason I stopped using Vet

[faint beacon]

Rare but that’s when you mag dump as vet

[obtuse oriole]

I could never get ammo boxes because everyone else took em

[lyric dock]

You're playing the low difficulties

Lot of players don't have the basic common sense stuff you see in the higher diffs

[faint beacon]

The better you get at Veteran the more you’ll realize you don’t need to fully rely on your gun

You mainly use your gun for anything that isn’t like trash or horde fodder

[pseudo pecan]

yep. I only use gun if i need really quick room clear

[obtuse oriole]

I struggle with melee at the best of times

[pseudo pecan]

or if i feel like shooting shtuff

[obtuse oriole]

hence why, gun

[heavy rover]

Yeah, even on my range build I still mostly rely on my mk III shovel

[faint beacon]

Melee itself or movement

[lyric dock]

Vet Will beat that into you

[obtuse oriole]

BOTH

[faint beacon]

Get a melee you like for horde clear for one

[broken terrace]

any good or save it for crafting? I have literally never used a plasma gun

[faint beacon]

And two grind it into yourself to learn dodging and sliding

[obtuse oriole]

Hence, staff psyker main

[faint beacon]

Fun fact Staff psyker only gets better when you learn movement lmao

[junior haven]

Doesn't everyone?

[faint beacon]

Well naturally but I feel like Ogryn can and if they’re in a horde manage to get away with dodging less

Or Crusher zealot

[austere mica]

Change perks to whatever lets you oneshot gunners and specials

[lyric dock]

Lot of things become better once you learn the basics of movement and melee

[austere mica]

If you already do go for Cara or unyielding

[obtuse oriole]

This is what melee leads too

[lyric dock]

Didn't push the doggo

And now Doggo is best friend 🙂

[last parcel]

with melee, you can push enemies, including poxhounds

[obtuse oriole]

Iwas staggering from the OTHER 2

[lyric dock]

Dodge and then push

[obtuse oriole]

dogee does nothing

you still get hit, you still stagger

[lyric dock]

Let me rephrase Dodge AWAY from the enemies and then push

[obtuse oriole]

you still get hit

I've never seen a successful dodge

[last parcel]

[lyric dock]

I seen peg leg turtles dodge shit. You ain't dodging at all

[obtuse oriole]

thjen i am uselesds

and I should give up right

[lyric dock]

Keep practicing

And god I forgot just how little damn info the vanilla hud gives you

[obtuse oriole]

YYou dodge once and your character also can't dodge again is something I'm finding too

[austere mica]

Enemies make a whoosh noise when about to hit you, even from behind

[obtuse oriole]

mine doesn't

[austere mica]

Eventually you will be able to dodge stuff based on that

[lean bloom]

Good perks for the agripinaa?

[obtuse oriole]

or it happens way after they swung

[austere mica]

That’s an entire forge world, which weapon

[last parcel]

you're more likely to get an answer if you specify which of the 5 agripinaa's you mean

[lyric dock]

Indeed. To the point you can dodge stuff from behind you just by sound cue

[lean bloom]

my bad

the revolver

[obtuse oriole]

there is no sound que

[austere mica]

Perks? Whatever gets you breakpoints against gunners or specials

[lean bloom]

this one

[austere mica]

This requires a bit of testing though

[austere mica]

Drop trickshooter for Handcannon

[lyric dock]

Do you play the game muted 0.o

Because Darktide is a very Noisy ass game. Everything has a sound cue from the weakest pox walker to the biggest Crushers

[austere mica]

Then drop stamina for maniac probably

Killing specials quickly is important

[obtuse oriole]

theres too much noise for mee

but no I don't I hear no sqing que

[austere mica]

Luckily you have an Agri so you can just fan another round if you don’t kill

[lyric dock]

If only most teammates learn this

The number of times a Dreg bomber is allow to live longer than .1 seconds

[austere mica]

Heresy gaming is harder than damnation

It’s really funny

[lyric dock]

I play a mix of Damnation and Auric Damn

[obtuse oriole]

I can't even pass malicee

[lyric dock]

You can easily tell when you have a Heresy group in Damnation instantly

[austere mica]

Yeah, true level and inspecting their weapons

[tame lodge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1247325838467399790/Dodge_.mp4?ex=66b0b276&is=66af60f6&hm=bf1d11b9326fb268391e15b364ed4691b6aa8b4d1ab55f859bf723d3316f99a3&

[austere mica]

I always give my teammates weapons a good look if I get to the lobby for a game

[lyric dock]

Same. I'll do a quick glance at what they havee

A luxury you rarely get with quick play

[austere mica]

I’ve seen terrifying barrage t1 modded onto a surge staff

On a level 120 psyker

[lyric dock]

~~Do wish you're given like a 10 or 15 second count down to at least change up-----

Excuse me

What the fuck

I seen some questionable weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s bricked

[lyric dock]

But that takes the cake so far

[mighty anvil]

Whats the best weapon for a full auto hipfire build

[tame lodge]

Graia mk IV, you brace it

[lyric dock]

Finishing this thought. Wish you're given a brief chance to switch loadout config you have before hot dropping into a mission.

[obtuse oriole]

You get to change gear before a mission

[lyric dock]

If the mission hasn't started

Joining mid mission?

You bring what you had equipped

[obtuse oriole]

melee is impossible

[austere mica]

My knife zealot addiction says otherwise

[pseudo pecan]

on pc can you dodge while moving forward at an angle or do you have to stop and strafe only left to right to do it

[faint beacon]

My 1.1k hours say otherwise as well

[obtuse oriole]

all it is is swing swinand then dead

becauyse your swings deal minimal damage and enemies just murder you fast

[faint beacon]

Are you not dodging mid swings or pushing

[lyric dock]

Because you're not using Movement to help you

[austere mica]

If you find melee hard try Vermintide 2 when it goes on sale for like 6 dollars US

[lyric dock]

You're probably standing there trading blows until you die

[obtuse oriole]

because you can't dodge

[austere mica]

But yeah every single class has to dodge in melee not to die

[obtuse oriole]

your always completely surrounded oncee you eveen step into melee

[austere mica]

Ogryn can hit trade reliably but that’s about it

[faint beacon]

If you’re surrounded push them

And then start dodging

Dodging makes you have them lose their melee tracking so it’s way easier to not get hit

[austere mica]

Oh yeah pushes are 360 in this game

For some reason

[obtuse oriole]

thing the fact this person was beat by 3 of em as a dedicated meelee class proves my oint

[lyric dock]

And blocking is 360 as well

[faint beacon]

Pushing also forces them to stumble giving you more breathing room

[lyric dock]

Remember you're on the lower diffs. So they're not as skilled compare to those that master the arts of melee

[last parcel]

the emperor punished me for hording so many clips by sending me out of town the moment I can use them

[faint beacon]

I- I think you’re just playing with other new players

[austere mica]

That is a skill issue

I’m not being sarcastic or mean or anything

[tame lodge]

Relatable

[faint beacon]

New player skill issue basically

Especially with Zealot

[austere mica]

I managed to get one of my friends into the game accidentally and he is actually decent in melee immediately

[faint beacon]

The class with an actual get out of jail talent that makes you avoid a death blow

[austere mica]

I am so fucking proud

[obtuse oriole]

and died again

[lyric dock]

Congrats your pal. May you teach them well!

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dsad-gif-25352352

[austere mica]

He also like devils claws because I taught him about the parry

[faint beacon]

Do they just spam dodge and it works? Lmao

[obtuse oriole]

you even try to get into melee and try to do anything with it you die

[austere mica]

Not really

[tame lodge]

Go into negative dodges my mate

[austere mica]

They can just fight decently

[faint beacon]

Shocking

[tame lodge]

Spam that dodge button (try not to jump)

[faint beacon]

Bet they just need to learn the sound queues and they’re golden

[lyric dock]

We love the bunny hop into Crusher overhead combo

[obtuse oriole]

There are no actual sound ques, what are you talking about

[lyric dock]

Mate. Do you even have speakers or any sort of sound device

I'm starting to think you play DT muted

[austere mica]

Every enemy has a sound queue

Every single one

[faint beacon]

My brother of the throne I literally know every single sound queue in the game even the rare conditional ones

[austere mica]

It’s either just the generic swing/shoot noise or special noises they make

[tame lodge]

This

[austere mica]

Every special has a unique one, gunners both have one, maulers crusher and bulwarks are all identifiable

Ragers are loud as hell

[faint beacon]

Ahem one moment

https://youtu.be/CRssfet26mI?si=KGb7vF8Yf2toKl_L

[lyric dock]

Give us your best Mutie impression

[faint beacon]

Get yourself familiar with the sounds

[somber axle]

It may be time to take a visit to an otolaryngologist and have a hearing test done. Alternatively buying a nice new set of headphones because the audio in Darktide is pretty good and my headset lets me hear what direction a problem is coming from too

[faint beacon]

Badounk AUGHHHHHH!

[lyric dock]

Have a 🍪

[pseudo pecan]

the only one I struggle with is if I have more than one rager. they literally take like one hit and a chainsword push and riposte

other than that I use gun

[faint beacon]

I literally know the trappers spawn before their fucking net rev sfx

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-gif-8384741647787006615

[obtuse oriole]

don't help with melee

[tame lodge]

Cinema

[faint beacon]

“Loyalist… HAHA!” Whirring

[pseudo pecan]

exactly

[faint beacon]

The melee sfx won’t play if they’re in front of you, only from behind

[obtuse oriole]

meleee don't have a sound effeect

[faint beacon]

There’s even a sound for when you’re about to be shot and Visual indicators

Yes they do

[obtuse oriole]

also these tend to get drowned out with eeverything else thats going on

[faint beacon]

Check what Higui linked

[austere mica]

You can very nearly play this game blind if left in an open room and given enemies

[faint beacon]

That’s something you’ll learn with time by playing the game

[faint beacon]

I should try that

[fading yarrow]

Pain.

[obtuse oriole]

Its why I like L4D2's system for it

[faint beacon]

Okay I really don’t want to shoot you down at all but if you’re telling me the spawn queue of a mutant followed with the distant “RAUGHHHH RAGGHHHH RAUGHHHHH!” getting progressively louder

[obtuse oriole]

its in the music track not the in game as well as rawrs

[faint beacon]

Turn the music down

[austere mica]

The special noises can cut through the loudest tracks in the game

[faint beacon]

I have mine at like 3/4s the master

[obtuse oriole]

anywa those i notice, mostly the hound and mutant, still doeesnt help meelee bing a completely impossible death sentance

[austere mica]

You can push a hound jumping at you if you push when it barks

Barring latency that pretty much always works

And mutants are a really easy first Zelda boss deal of let it charge into a wall then beat it’s lights out

[somber axle]

I usually recommend dodging every 2-3 swings depending on melee to get into the rhythm of dodging

It will help you stay out of danger while slapping hordes until you get used to things

[faint beacon]

It always makes a very distinct loud snarl when it pounces you either dodge to the left or right or push

Matters how comfortable you are

[somber axle]

Then you will begin to naturally feel out when to dodge and when you don't need to

The important part is beginning to work dodging into melee combat

Ideally you want to be able to wipe a horde without taking a hit

[austere mica]

You can also be a crackhead and dodge every heavy attack to extend your swings then panic when you are out of dodges in 5 seconds

[obtuse oriole]

Its impossible to wipee 2 away without taking a hit

[austere mica]

It’s possible to do an entire mission and do melee without taking melee damage

I’d know

[somber axle]

It's not too tricky tbh. With good movement, dodging, shoving, etc. you can very reliably control a horde

[austere mica]

It’s even possible on your class

[somber axle]

It just takes practice to feel out melee fundamentals

[tall torrent]

don't get urself surrounded then

[obtuse oriole]

which is impossible if your in the situation of getting melee

[tall torrent]

what happened to dodge / block / push

[tall torrent]

no???

[somber axle]

Try not to stay still while meleeing. Lead the horde to keep them in front of you or they will naturally begin to try to spread to your flanks

[pseudo pecan]

does pc get to dodge while moving forward at an angle or only while standing still and strafing? I know I can't do it on controller

[austere mica]

Controlling melee is pretty easy because all the ai is stupid

All they will ever do is run at you and swing

[tame lodge]

Try dodging backwards

[obtuse oriole]

then I muse be worse than stupid

[tall torrent]

dodge cannot be initiated moving forward

[austere mica]

They will occasionally surround you but that’s because of how melee slots work

[obtuse oriole]

because they beat me every single time no matter waht

[tall torrent]

what weapon are u using

https://youtu.be/V5k7qmAeIC8

[obtuse oriole]

shovel

[austere mica]

But just attacking horde is pretty easy to keep them back

[pseudo pecan]

okay sweet. Just making sure it wasn't like a bug

[austere mica]

Spam heavy attacks

Shovel has great stagger

[obtuse oriole]

theye can get enough hits to down you by the time you even consider swinging

[tall torrent]

no

[obtuse oriole]

in my experiance, yes

[tall torrent]

did u push enemies even once

[austere mica]

You don’t have to fully charge a heavy

[last parcel]

you can release heavies without waiting for the full charge btw

[obtuse oriole]

yup bu tthen guess what THERE WERE MORE

[austere mica]

You can release it as soon as it isn’t a light attack

[tall torrent]

u on pc or console

[obtuse oriole]

when then proceded to completely surround me and beat me in meelee

PC

[pseudo pecan]

is this decent?

[tall torrent]

download creature spawner mod and practice horde clear in meat grinder

[austere mica]

Hope for 2 good rolls

[pseudo pecan]

I just rolled it. I'm gonna prolly switch stamina out but

[austere mica]

But yeah that is pretty good

Unless you want to open bulwarks

[obtuse oriole]

I mean this is common

[austere mica]

I haven’t seen that one

Pretty funny though

[obtuse oriole]

so seriously assume latency might be an issue

[austere mica]

“Oh plasteel of the corridor, what is your wisdom?”

[tall torrent]

This is just a map change resulted bug

Being unable to handle any kind of dense horde is a separate player-side problem

[austere mica]

Playing vt2 on 200 ping and doing fine is something possible

[tall torrent]

Literally just go get creature spawner and practice in meat grinder

[obtuse oriole]

look how far away he is

thats hitting me

[tall torrent]

Why do u have ur gun out for close quarters

[obtuse oriole]

I was taking care of a specalist >.>

and you know because to me that guy looks far away

[austere mica]

That’s pretty normal

Not even a long range bs hit

That’s standard melee range

[tall torrent]

Well there’s no specialist killfeed on top left

[austere mica]

You can attack that far

[tall torrent]

But that’s very normal melee range

[obtuse oriole]

thats really far away for me

[austere mica]

That’s less than 2 meters

[obtuse oriole]

also the pox hound don't seem to jump on you properly

[tall torrent]

100% sure shovel can hit that far

[austere mica]

Fair game

[obtuse oriole]

like they look like they land infront of you first

[austere mica]

Yeah they check for a hit and then do the grab

It can be slow if you have a bad ping

[tall torrent]

If you’re super new to this game it’s just practice practice practice

Not much else can be said

[austere mica]

I was utter shit at vt2 for the longest time

Sadly this game has no solo mode as of yet

Without mods at least

[pseudo pecan]

I'm mainly trynna have a back up for crushers. is the collateral too low? I may swap out the stamina for carapace.

[austere mica]

Collateral is a dump stat

[obtuse oriole]

I'm trying to dodge guess what

[austere mica]

Unless you want to stagger stuff I guess

[obtuse oriole]

It does nothing but gets you killed

[pseudo pecan]

oh I couldn't care less then.

[austere mica]

If I had recording software I would send you some clips

[faint beacon]

Are you doing it before they get ready to swing

Cause they’ll track you

There’s a very specific sweet spot

[austere mica]

The enemy has to be actively swinging at you for dodging to break tracking

[obtuse oriole]

yeah I'm dieing before I get to swin

[lyric dock]

Which if you're hitting that consistently is quite funny

[last parcel]

top heby

[lyric dock]

Nothing still beats dodging away from one crusher overhead......into another one

[obtuse oriole]

https://www.twitch.tv/shizuka_silent/clip/EnthusiasticPreciousDiamondOpieOP-Gjch2ZPuSNsccOQD

This is pretty common for the game

also I was trying fo flip to melee and it was eating my inputs

[pseudo pecan]

at that point I just gtfo lmao

[lyric dock]

I have laughed it off a few times

[last parcel]

I pour maple syrup onto myself when that happens

at least I'll taste good

[austere mica]

Stealth overheads I can usually laugh at

[lyric dock]

I have caught the lovely crusher double bonk

[pseudo pecan]

there are some pretty funny moments in this game no doubt. me and 3 teammates went to rush help someone and all fell off the edge and they ended up not needing as after all lmao

[lyric dock]

Now to catch the rare triple bonk

[austere mica]

This is them totally mishandling that

[lyric dock]

Oh 100%

[obtuse oriole]

this is me

[tame lodge]

The rare 1 crushers team wipe on my back pocket

[somber axle]

I wish Crushers were louder tbh because I swear I can be following the squad and see the front is clear, turn for 2 seconds to deal with special spawns creeping up behind us and before I turn around 4 Crushers have surrounded me

[last parcel]

tip toeing crushers

[somber axle]

They're trivial to dodge but so sneaky

[last parcel]

hmmmm

[lyric dock]

Honestly same. The number of times I had a Crusher jump scare is quite....High

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/fel-reaver-fel-reaver-fel-reaver-brrr-wow-gif-24772128

[lyric dock]

Though there was a Era where crushers were completely silent

[inland orchid]

You’d think a Ogryn with massive carapace would at least have sounds when running but na, slient as a mouse

That era is TODAY

You have any size horde lookin at u when a crusher is tryna hit y’all

[wicked epoch]

they still are for me

[inland orchid]

He’s got +10 to stealth

[wicked epoch]

crushers and maulers have silent overheads for me

yes lets have trash mobs with fucking decaying muscles do half your health + have whoosh sounds

but not the 10 foot tall ogryn in full plate armor and a bigass mace

no woosh sounds instant knockdown

[austere mica]

Gotta get a mod where they have obscenely loud clown shoes or something

[wicked epoch]

neither the 6 foot football linebacker and a chainaxe

[obtuse oriole]

anywayI tried flipping to melee it wouldn't flip at all

[austere mica]

I have no idea about that one

[obtuse oriole]

server was eating the imputs effectivally

[austere mica]

There is a mod that ensures weapon swaps I know of

[wicked epoch]

oh no backup is on again

[obtuse oriole]

acting likee I never put them in

[lyric dock]

And ability usage

[wicked epoch]

prepare to see the worst shit possible

[austere mica]

But the amount of times I get inputs eat is very rare

[last parcel]

usually fucks up if you buffer an animation when trying to swap

[wicked epoch]

Not as bad as i thought

[last parcel]

it also fucks up if you use a bad scroll wheel

[wicked epoch]

thats off

[austere mica]

I don’t scroll to swap

[wicked epoch]

odd

[last parcel]

check under your fore skin for the punchline

[austere mica]

Haven’t since drg

[wicked epoch]

NOT AGAIIN

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/844362941226811402/1269734968523755572/Screenshot_2024-08-04_151242.png?ex=66b12457&is=66afd2d7&hm=7589c035b867732c3adf66ba840790abb2df116dee1b65f9d30ace81e47f784d&

[last parcel]

I don't either but figured it was worth covering my bases

[tall torrent]

Progress

[austere pine]

since when have there been 2 types of shock mauls?

[tall torrent]

Since their introduction

[austere pine]

...

i'd have never guessed if it wasn't for this

[obtuse oriole]

I get it quite abit at peek server times

[austere mica]

Then you should probably look into the ensure swap mods

I probably should too

And the one that prevents jumping when dodging

[obtuse oriole]

that affects gameplay so probally banneed

[austere mica]

Nope

[last parcel]

achlys stay winning

[austere mica]

It just changes how inputs are handled in a non interfering way

[tame lodge]

Achlys sweep let's go

[austere mica]

I put reflex sights on all my guns and use cosmetic parts I haven’t bought and haven’t gotten banned

[last parcel]

excuse my highlighting on the toilet

[pseudo pecan]

[faint beacon]

Thank you for sharing with us

[last parcel]

any time

[faint beacon]

Weapon mods are client

[austere mica]

Yeah I know I was doing to make a point

[faint beacon]

So they aren’t bannable

Gotcha

Anyways I got busy what subject are we on now

All I know was I was getting really fucking passionate about how well the special sound queues were lmao

[last parcel]

serrated blade + exploit weakness helbore

[austere mica]

Something that actually affects gameplay (better sights on my guns) isn’t bannable so something that changes input queueing a bit should be either

[faint beacon]

Based

[obtuse oriole]

meleee still worthless

[tame lodge]

As you're on fire

[austere mica]

Wait how do you have a level 30 frame

[tame lodge]

[obtuse oriole]

That happened AFTER I got downed

[austere mica]

While thinking melee is unusable

[obtuse oriole]

level 30 psyker

[austere mica]

How in the hell

[obtuse oriole]

how to handle melee as psyker, either Smite or assail

[austere mica]

I find that genuinely impressive

[tame lodge]

Is that a rager?

[austere mica]

You did 30 levels without melee

[lusty sapphire]

That is a rager

[austere mica]

Ironically psyker has some of the best melee weapons in the game

[obtuse oriole]

have you seen how many people Smite can hold in place

[austere mica]

Because they are psyker exclusive and psyker has no melee buffs besides flat damage buffs

[austere mica]

Yeah it puts me to sleep

[tame lodge]

Yes yes we've seen and we have our opinion on smite

[austere mica]

I say this with about 75 psyker levels

I hate smite

[pseudo pecan]

is smite the one where it insta kills everything around you?

[austere mica]

Smite users deciding I can no longer have fun

[austere mica]

Chain lightning

[faint beacon]

No it’s the lightning

[pseudo pecan]

oh okay

[austere mica]

And not the staff

The staff is cool

[faint beacon]

10,000 volts straight to the nipples as I call it

[austere pine]

trauma doesn't instakill 🤓

[last parcel]

you missed out on a few days of #psyker-class

[pseudo pecan]

I just know I give up when everything starts exploding and just focus on obj

[austere mica]

I am sure I did

[faint beacon]

Reminder this is Veteran chat we’re going to be extremely blunt but tell you exactly how to improve

[pseudo pecan]

I'd rather this than be lied to

[last parcel]

so

about those femboys

[tame lodge]

Overrated

[tall torrent]

Well no it’s just that vet chat is very competitively aggressive abt optimization lol

[tame lodge]

Next question

[last parcel]

sucking toes

[last parcel]

opinions?

[pseudo pecan]

I mean isn't the whole game about optimization of build once you hit level cap?

[tall torrent]

Well no u don’t have to optimize to have fun

[last parcel]

you can get away with not optimizing a lot of things

[tall torrent]

Veteran just so happens to be the class with the most amount of optimization

Zealot & psyker have much more leeway with that

[obtuse oriole]

smite electrocutes everything around you

and can kill

[faint beacon]

What about them chief

[crimson pebble]

I was talking to other cole about it yesterday but i think precog might be able to slightly out do uncanny on knives for vet whatd you think

[tall torrent]

In 8s yea

[pseudo pecan]

oh okay

[faint beacon]

20s if it’s a crusher

[tall torrent]

If u run precog + riposte with a turbo crit chance build, maybe

But I don’t particularly enjoy the “all my damage comes after dodge” playstyle because I much prefer the “I hit things first and they die fast” approach

[last parcel]

just wanted some opinions

[crimson pebble]

I was thinking for mercy and precog over riposte

[austere mica]

It also has the drawback of putting your team to sleep

[last parcel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4169cb-12f2-44c5-af41-0f4371536164/god-tier-vet

[faint beacon]

Mercy wouldn’t be worth it unless you’re running serrated

[faint beacon]

ENOUGH with this damn picture

[crimson pebble]

I am so

[tame lodge]

Maybe you shouldn't have smite as a melee crutch

After all only psyker has it

[austere mica]

Smite is just hard to balance at this point I think

[crimson pebble]

True whats a guy going to do to the 7 crushers when they mangle your teammates smite them for the next 8 mins cause you have no melee?

[faint beacon]

True, me pulling out the sheets and getting comfy in bed when I get queued with 2 smykers who loop smite

[last parcel]

it's fire

[tame lodge]

Everyone else just throw hands when needed

[tall torrent]

No, make it tick peril up 20x faster

[austere mica]

I can’t think of a good way of keeping it in check without destroying it

[tall torrent]

Smite’s left click is rly cool

[obtuse oriole]

yeah like I said psyker don't need it

[austere mica]

Psyker has really fun melee though

You are missing out

[crimson pebble]

Do love deimos and mk4 ds

[last parcel]

dlay station 4

[austere mica]

Dueling sword 4, Deimos and Illisi force swords

Also Kinetic Deflection and parry spam I guess

[tall torrent]

Make right click generate peril much faster, keep left click the same

[austere mica]

Left click needs to actually feel useful

[tall torrent]

It already is

[faint beacon]

Okay so hear me out illisi with Soulblaze and Shred with the wildfire build talents

[obtuse oriole]

the charge for the psyker weapons takees too long

[tall torrent]

Instant hard stagger with no wind up

[faint beacon]

Holy shit it’s fun causing chain burns

From melee alone

[crimson pebble]

I remember newrly year ago smite was bugged and wouldnt cost any pearl

[obtuse oriole]

when I can just charge up a smite and help everyone

[austere mica]

What the force sword charge

You don’t need to charge for everything

[faint beacon]

🙁

[tall torrent]

This is a build u play when u rly just gotta reevaluate ur decisions in life

[last parcel]

Deimos charge because fuck that poxwalker

[obtuse oriole]

v

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing

[lusty sapphire]

At heresy maybe

[last parcel]

wait but it didnt work for me

[austere mica]

For Deimos you use it on crushers, maulers, bulwarks, and monsters

[tame lodge]

Hehe burn

[obtuse oriole]

Right now I can't even pass the upriding

[austere mica]

On illisi it’s quite fast

[faint beacon]

It’s what boredom does to man Path

[obtuse oriole]

thats right melee is that bad

[faint beacon]

It’s really fucking funny

[last parcel]

theyre on malice so

[tall torrent]

Ok you REALLY gotta practice melee

It’s not the weapon’s fault, it’s urs

[austere mica]

I have done entire missions without ranged weapons

[lusty sapphire]

Ah then I understand a lot of stuff

[faint beacon]

It’s also a penance on Zealot!

[austere mica]

Except throwing knives I guess

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not the primarily-ranged class, veteran is melee/ranged hybrid

Psyker is the primarily ranged class

[austere mica]

Yes

[lusty sapphire]

Actually yeah

[faint beacon]

It’s why I love vet so much

Really fucking enjoy being able to go to ranged to melee on a whim

[austere mica]

Your gun is for important things, you can’t go wasting much ammo on trash without a build for it, and in those builds your gun can’t kill armor

[obtuse oriole]

all I hear for melee is my toughness breeaking and then I fall

[last parcel]

revolver bash with serrated blade

[austere mica]

Unless you use a recon mk7 or a Columnus I guess

Then you just go wild and no longer care

[faint beacon]

Knife punch only with serrated

[tall torrent]

Download creature spawner and practice if you’re struggling so much

[lusty sapphire]

Learn to dodge, observe enemies doing attacks, use blocks, use pushes

[obtuse oriole]

its a mod that affects game play, thereefore I run the risk of getting banned

[faint beacon]

Imo people don’t block enough

[obtuse oriole]

also you can't do private games to what I've seeeen

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t ban u

[faint beacon]

Shit has actually saved me by blocking

[last parcel]

Psykhanium

[tall torrent]

Idk who gave u that information but it’s wrong

[lusty sapphire]

You don't, literally lmao

[obtuse oriole]

nearly every single online multiplayer game

[tall torrent]

Everything u can get on nexus mods is allowed

[austere mica]

I have been modded for over a year

[lusty sapphire]

Well that is not all

[austere mica]

Fatshark checks the nexus page too

[lusty sapphire]

So listen to the dudes playing with mods for the past 2 years lol

[sinful swallow]

Fat shark literally looked at the mods and said "oh cool. Just don't mod server side stuff"

[austere mica]

Drg has mod support, payday has mod support, vermintide (a Fatshark game) allows mods

[lusty sapphire]

Nope, they just said do whatever cause you CAN'T mod server sided stuff anyways

[last parcel]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/darktide-modding-policy/75407

[faint beacon]

They’re very pro client side cause I think they understand that accessibility via client side modding makes games more accessible

[obtuse oriole]

I've beeen trying nothing but meleeee this whole time, not one single pass

[austere mica]

You are going to make me get reccording software working

[tall torrent]

At this point just go get creature spawner and practice lol

[austere mica]

Just to show you Vet melee

[last parcel]

obs gang rise up

[sinful swallow]

I'll parrot this all day long. Learned how to solo bosses because of this mod

[tall torrent]

Go for 1v2

Try 1v8 Dreg rager

[last parcel]

1v80 ragers
It was ep smite

[lusty sapphire]

I actually do this to test how strong a melee trully is lmao

[tall torrent]

Nah u gotta change the “mutant” text to Dreg rager

[tame lodge]

~~ Fine, get a devil's claw 4 and spam parry, at least you'll get something out of enemies attacking you ~~

[austere mica]

Or Maniac

[sinful swallow]

Someone posted this and literally my next game I got a clip of conga line clown car of the armored ones pouring out of a monster closet

[tall torrent]

The true melee stress test

[obtuse oriole]

see 3 basic pox walkers are able to take you down with ease

[austere mica]

Yeah mate, I hate to say this

But that is a genuine skill issue

You need to practice fighting enemies in a controlled environment like the Psykhanium

[tall torrent]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ilNRrOJxoo-29loa6/d13371PeDN3K?invite=cr-MSxBUWksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[somber axle]

I see Volleyfire as the ability in the screenshot so I think it may just be that they are new to Darktide and leveling still?

[tall torrent]

25 fucking scab maulers in 1 room

[tame lodge]

Level 30 psyker

[last parcel]

Just on vet. They hit 30 on psyker and have been struggling for the oast few days

[lusty sapphire]

Yes?

Deathspitter hit&run

[austere mica]

Level 30 psyker

[obtuse oriole]

which you only have tutorial

[tall torrent]

Nah

[austere mica]

Once again

Get mods

It’s fairly easy

And you don’t even have to update them every game update

[last parcel]

or practice on sedition if yoh really dont want to install them

[austere mica]

They just keep working until they break totally

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa IAG unironically wants smth like dum dum + sustained fire lol

[obtuse oriole]

oh yeah 3 gunners in melee are beetter than character

[tall torrent]

It’s a weird gun

[tame lodge]

Aiag my beloved

[lusty sapphire]

I have deathspitter4 ff4 on my scrier build and it genuinely munches mixed hordes

[tall torrent]

Yea DS + FF is fine too, dum dum just usually goes better

[lusty sapphire]

Should I take dumdum instead of frenzy generally?

[tall torrent]

I’d say yea

[last parcel]

dumdum is for dumdums take terrifyibg barrage to be terrific

[tall torrent]

Dum dum is free +30% close damage I think?

[lusty sapphire]

I'm just building a bunch of agrippinas just for the sake of it

[tall torrent]

Easier to upkeep

[last parcel]

nuh uh i cant hit 5 shots because the brainburst psyker kerps stealing the poxwalker kills

[tame lodge]

My honest terrifying barrage stripped down reaction

[obtuse oriole]

and of course you can't pick ammo up because everyone else takes it

even when you have none

[austere mica]

I will show you vet melee in a bit

[tame lodge]

Time to gun bash

[austere mica]

Trying to remember how OBS works

[obtuse oriole]

its very dead like all classes

[frank ether]

hello vet chat

what are we debating on today

[austere mica]

We are all dying

[last parcel]

hello ravioli

[austere mica]

Read messages by panmothxia

[frank ether]

uh

what difficulty is it .d

[last parcel]

google en passant

uprising on vet

[frank ether]

there are enough enemies on uprising to run out of ammo?

[last parcel]

melee is impossible

therefore shoot

[tame lodge]

They are mainly struggling with melee

[obtuse oriole]

loweest difficult at this point

[frank ether]

Thought we are in psyker chat for a moment

then again vet used to be that class lmao

[austere pine]

clown science

for the crucian build of revolver

[obtuse oriole]

once you run out of ammo you are screwed

[austere pine]

now that point blank has been improved, is it viable to take it over crucian?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[last parcel]

terrifying barrage is viable

[austere pine]

because while in the best case scenario for crucian you get 4% more crit chance but that's for 1 bullet. whereas you could kill a dude, switch to revolver, fire off 5 shots with 20% increased crit chance each and go about your day

[last parcel]

this conversation also happened there recently

[austere pine]

nah actually it's so much nicer to have point blank than crucian what

because you then also save a talent point by not going WS always prepped

[tall torrent]

Nah u still should

[tame lodge]

Ammo

[tall torrent]

Point blank just makes u crit successive shots better

[obtuse oriole]

welp I just failed a mission because I ran out of ammo

[austere mica]

I use crucian for the incomplexity of stacking crit per shot

[austere pine]

point blank even less complex

[frank ether]

same guy or someone else?

[austere mica]

I also run with deadshot and have like a 50% base crit though

[last parcel]

same one

[frank ether]

thats just amazing

truly the discord gets more content than the game at this point

[austere mica]

I got OBS working

[tame lodge]

Great

[last parcel]

did you see the copypasta yesterday where the guy callrd the devs disabled for not adding grenade launchers

[frank ether]

kekw

[last parcel]

they pasted it in every channel

[heavy rover]

no shot

[austere mica]

Alright it works

[frank ether]

Aw man

[obtuse oriole]

Thgouht Ogryn's had a nade launcher

[frank ether]

even if FS would add one at some point

now they're never doing it

[austere pine]

some revolver mathematicians able to work this one out for me?

[austere mica]

When darktide loads i can show you the horrors of 50 poxwalkers

[last parcel]

They do, that's the funniest part

[austere mica]

They have 2

[frank ether]

they probably dont add human varieties of such guns because its all ogryn has

[last parcel]

unleash 300 gb of clips

[frank ether]

nade launchers and big LMGs

[tame lodge]

Rumbler and Blastoon

[austere mica]

1 shot break action and a 4 shot melee ranged hybrid weapon

[last parcel]

the grenade fister

[austere pine]

it's actually nice

[last parcel]

please assume the position

[tame lodge]

Name myself Fisto and GG only

[austere mica]

@obtuse oriole

Shit

I have no idea how to get rid of the black bar

[obtuse oriole]

Your game makes a noise my doesn't

[frank ether]

why not just use gpu software?

[austere mica]

Because I already had OBS

[austere pine]

in obs?

[tame lodge]

Check your in-game audio settings

[austere mica]

Yeah

[last parcel]

Chrck the window preview in obs

[austere pine]

lemme boot it up rq

[obtuse oriole]

I have nothing disabled

[austere pine]

yeah

[austere mica]

This?

[obtuse oriole]

music down to 50%

[last parcel]

the capture box may be offset for some deason

it should be a literal oreview window

[austere mica]

Try a verification of game files

You might straight up be missing or have a corrupted sound call

[tame lodge]

Mix preset?

[faint beacon]

That’ll do it as well

Run through seffonis tutorial

Very easy way to check if your audio is working or not

[last parcel]

the advanced training

[faint beacon]

Suppression segment iirc

[austere pine]

@austere mica what's your in game resolution?

[obtuse oriole]

yeah its not making the noise of enemies swinging

[austere mica]

This helps I guess but no idea how to improve further

[last parcel]

320*480

[austere mica]

1920x1080

Or should be

[frank ether]

that noise is only played for off-screen enemies, its a backstab sound.

if I think of what you mean right

[obtuse oriole]

YEah its not playing it at all

[austere mica]

It only played a few times because stuff was getting around me

[obtuse oriole]

just testeed it by facing my back to enemies

[austere mica]

Fixed it

[austere pine]

neat

[tall torrent]

Dw I’ll do it for him

[tall torrent]

They need to try to hit u for it to play

[austere pine]

i'm not well versed in obs because i get to just use nvidia recordings

[austere mica]

Now I can not use OBS again for another several years

[obtuse oriole]

they were attacking...

[faint beacon]

That’s probably why you’re getting bodied in melee then

[obtuse oriole]

I went down

[austere mica]

Also damn that clip was 11mb i need to reduce my recording quality

[tall torrent]

Did u turn off backstab sound in audio settings?

[faint beacon]

The games audio is fucking you over try to fix it I’ve had this issue before I think I had to change my driver

[obtuse oriole]

nope

[faint beacon]

Or well update it

It’s been a long time since I had this issue

[frank ether]

sounds like either your audio mix is fucked or game files are corrupt

also sometimes the sound will just not play because this game engine is notorious for sound issues

but if it never plays you have an issue

[tame lodge]

Maybe it's vermintide backstab issue all over again

[austere mica]

Alright lesson learned remember to re enable psyk invisibilty before allowing the enemies to respawn

[faint beacon]

It’s most like audio mix

I think that’s what my issue was

Hell I recall firing my gun and literally nothing came out

[faint beacon]

Regret

[frank ether]

oh yea I remember having that in vermintide

still dont know what causes it

but I shrugged it off as game engine shitting the bed

[austere pine]

vet with heavy sword

i love bots

[austere mica]

When I updated my drivers firing a stubber would let me hear the casings hitting the floor only

[austere mica]

Its a 100/100/100/100/100 roll

They give bots better equipment than us

[radiant chasm]

right now i'm having the issue where the melee warning noise is playing ANYTIME some enemy does a melee attack near me

[last parcel]

me with my 300 gb horde for no reason

[frank ether]

if only 😔

fatfish please, let me have it

[tame lodge]

Something about 7.1 and stereo, idk

[frank ether]

I'll feed you tuna fat fish

[radiant chasm]

like, i can be 2 boxes away from a BoN and it will do the flop and I'll get the paranoia sound

[frank ether]

pls

heby sword

[austere mica]

I don't have a multi terabyte external

[radiant chasm]

pretty sure vet is getting dueling and heavy sword

[frank ether]

ooh, I don't have 7.1

[radiant chasm]

in the screenshot on the blog

[frank ether]

got a cheap ass studio headset

but maybe my settings are goofed up, I'll check it the next time I boot up rat bonkers 2

[frank ether]

you sure? don't give me hope fgdkhd

or I'll bite a ferret

[radiant chasm]

look at the top left

then look at the weapons

[last parcel]

traxis 12 aint seeing this coming

[radiant chasm]

if zealot gets dsword as well it's getitng fucking gutted

no way they would let current mk4 duelist exist on zealot

[frank ether]

alright, ferrets are my best friends now

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-dance-gif-18303104

[somber axle]

I would LOVE to have the Dueling Sword on Vet

I would never use any other melee ever again

[austere mica]

That sounds slightly insane

but also

Saltzpyre Gaming

[frank ether]

eh, you're not a zealot

it should be fine

[austere mica]

I will get to experience the joy of Bounty Hunter Griffonfoots yet again

[tame lodge]

Hope they link PA into H2 on the DS2

[austere mica]

No double shotted though

big sad

[frank ether]

I'm more excited for heavy swords though

[austere mica]

Hswords sound great

[radiant chasm]

if vet gets flamer i'm going to cry

[austere mica]

Vet has better carapace ranged in my experience

[somber axle]

Do you think they'll give Power Swords to Zealots and Psykers?

[hybrid torrent]

Finally we can play as vet bots with heavy swords

[tall torrent]

just uncanny nerf is enough

[radiant chasm]

no, cause then we'd go shred+riposte or riposte+precog

[frank ether]

I don't really like weapon restrictions so I see this as a win-win personally

[radiant chasm]

and get 100% crit chance with no investment

and then we don't even need uncanny at that point

[last parcel]

executioners stance flamer here i com

[radiant chasm]

not to mention, dueling swords are balanced around 0% attack speed bonus

[tall torrent]

hmmm ur right

[tame lodge]

Reduced spread flamer

[radiant chasm]

zealot can hit 54% or some shit in the right build

[tall torrent]

yea true the whole dmg profile is balanced specifically for psyker

[last parcel]

hell yeah

[tall torrent]

DS on vet would be ungodly amounts of dmg lol

[last parcel]

fuckthis guy ib perticukr

[tame lodge]

Got that beam staff

[frank ether]

yep

not even close to what zealot would do with it though

[crimson pebble]

The dream

[frank ether]

but maybe the addition includes some balancing to both the weapon and psyker as a whole, who knows

[crimson pebble]

Better yet power dueling sword

[frank ether]

like yapping is easy but I'd rather just wait and see first

[tall torrent]

idk, veteran's dmg scaling is higher
zealot just gets high crit & atk speed in comparison

when vet can prob push DS 1 tap every non-boss enemy

[radiant chasm]

nah

[somber axle]

Clown Science session time in the future to test 1HKO potential of Dueling Sword poke vs Crusher

[radiant chasm]

precog+ duelist is broken

interaction

that will let zealot def edge out

[tall torrent]

it's working as intended apparently

[frank ether]

I don't know about that, I've played a little bit of zealot and my eyes have been opened to disgusting possibilities

[tall torrent]

but

precog + duellist is not as high as 3 red nodes

[last parcel]

what about 6 red nodes

[frank ether]

vet has some highs if you stack all the damage steroids for ults

[radiant chasm]

i mean it's already a hypothetical yes in a perfect scenario on psyker, but it requires the stars to align and mercury to be in retrograde

[frank ether]

but the pathing forces my hand to take VoC

[tall torrent]

anyways @obtuse oriole https://youtu.be/cVTBLEtTVVo

[frank ether]

so the problem with vet nuke builds is that you have one ranged ult and two defensive ults

[crimson pebble]

Could you imagine for just a second mercy killer on vet ds

[radiant chasm]

this is the modern pan

[austere mica]

How many was that

[radiant chasm]

mercy is just worse precog so i guess i can?

i mean, vet makes mercy work

[tall torrent]

idk I just pressed spawn a bunch of times

[austere mica]

Oh neat

I made a clip for 50 and the lengths were nearly identical

[crimson pebble]

I wouldnt call infiltrate soley defensive it can give a sizeable dmg boost

[austere mica]

Different weapon though

[frank ether]

Its neither as good nor as spammable as the zealot build counterpart

[somber axle]

Vet hits ability, triggers Marksman, For the Emperor, Close Quarters Kill Zone and in combo with Desperado, the +10% melee damage node and the +5% melee damage node probably instagibs a Crusher for comparatively little effort. But we could lump in the +30% damage from Surprise Attack under Infiltrate too

It's absolutely possible in my brain but I want to see it

[frank ether]

also the infiltrate build has terrible pathing if I want to do the boss nuke with it

[somber axle]

Vet has so many damage stacking things

[last parcel]

sssuwupwise attyack :3 poubces on you

[tall torrent]

it's not necessarily that it's more that veteran's +dmg stuff goes in multiplicative ways

[radiant chasm]

where is my zealot red nodes smh

oh they are all cdr

fuck

[somber axle]

Huh? Isn't that what I said but with like one tidbit of clarified context?

[radiant chasm]

well, 2/3 of them are good

[somber axle]

Like we have a lot of buffs LOL

[last parcel]

i see a red node and i want to paint it black

[radiant chasm]

idk how martyr purpose still exists

[somber axle]

Melee damage can do some very silly things on Vet

[tall torrent]

zealot has a lot of +dmg nodes as well u just trade defense for them

[radiant chasm]

zealot has consistent melee damage

vet can giga buff cause of how much stacking damage they can pick, but most of it is limited in a window

[last parcel]

what about linux

[somber axle]

I have all classes at 30 for the funny penance battle pass gear so I know Zealot can do silly things too. But a common thing I see you and others say is that Vet can more easily hit the breakpoint for Rashad Mk II Combat Axe

And that's usually without juicing via buffs

Vet can just do it for less investment/effort

[tall torrent]

that's only because zealot doesn't start every fight at max sustained assault

when veteran basically starts every fight with all the dmg buffs u need

and veteran technically does hit higher dmg more consistently than zealot

[last parcel]

i was self juicing

[somber axle]

Yeah so Vet can do some funny things and that's what I'm looking forward to doing when more melee weapons are unlocked for Vet

[tall torrent]

outside of martyrdom it's pretty hard for rashad on zealot to 1 tap 4 shotgunners (without crit)

veteran with CQKZ gets to do that for 10s

zealot with FotF gets to do that for 1 hit

[frank ether]

What is CQKZ uptime without the game throwing specialist waves at you?

[tame lodge]

Muhfuh when you ask if they are natty

[tall torrent]

Pretty high

[crimson pebble]

I think rashad on vet can also semi constantly 1 tap mutants

[frank ether]

Its like %33 uptime on voc and worse on infiltrate no?

[somber axle]

Plus as neat as it is to hear what Zealot can do, I am a Clown Vet so I am more interested in seeing what weapons can do on my fav class

[last parcel]

i am hiv aladeen

[somber axle]

The numbers are there for funny things and I already love Dueling Sword Mk IV on Psyker

[austere pine]

finally tbf

[crimson pebble]

I will say tho i started out playing zealot and vet was the last class to lvl as i hated having vets on my team but vet has become my fav class wether or not thats because i overall enjoy vet more or i just got super burnt on zealot idk

[austere mica]

I can play everyone

[austere pine]

you wouldn't even do the reset at that point i believe

[austere mica]

I do have 115 levels in vet though

[austere pine]

or maybe you would but you would just use it on hordes

alright vets

[crimson pebble]

I mean i also have every class to 30 and all class penances done but vet still by far fav

[austere pine]

mission type ranking from best to worst?

[last parcel]

i dont pay attention to mission types

All i knkw js i must kill

[crimson pebble]

The ones where we lose bad the ones where we win good

[austere pine]

all i know is that disruption fucking sucks

[last parcel]

you can still kinda extend it with ranged chaff highlight

i do that on my double barrel

[austere pine]

eh, ranged chaff tend to stay far away

and stalkers don't get into hordes much if they can

[last parcel]

I make them get in

[austere pine]

you could get lucky and kill ragers and maulers tho

[last parcel]

With my powers of attraction

got that scab stalker rizz

[austere pine]

wait when did they do this?

[tame lodge]

"You're mine, pretty one"

[tame lodge]

This patch

[last parcel]

Secrets of the machine god

[austere pine]

oh nice

[austere pine]

you're going straight to jail

[last parcel]

whats new

[idle swallow]

straight to jail, right away. no trial, no nothing

[faint beacon]

Latest patch where they dished out mini reworks

[crimson pebble]

Its still kind of dead tho sadly unless your a freak and play the mk3

[austere pine]

? sunder weak?

[elder fiber]

Bm better, mk6 better and that psword is the Lights dispenser

[tame lodge]

Just to be clear
Sunder BiS on Mk3

BM on the mk6

[quiet valley]

This applies to the Push attack on the 6 right?

[faint beacon]

I dont think it would

[last parcel]

she power my cycler til i supercharge

[faint beacon]

I think its classified as a light

[frank ether]

I think BM is better for push attack head nuke thingy

[quiet valley]

idk, on knives the push attack counts as a heavy

[faint beacon]

Interesting

Doesn't hurt to test later

[frank ether]

havent tested post buff so you might be right

I dont really touch pswords often

[faint beacon]

PSwords are my actual kryptonite

I do not enjoy them

[frank ether]

me neither

[faint beacon]

I know they're really good

[frank ether]

mobility too low

[faint beacon]

like really good

[last parcel]

i use uncharged psword

[faint beacon]

I just dont like using em

[frank ether]

they are a straight upgrade if you're a wheelchair player and can not do movement anyways

[quiet valley]

Its terrible mobility/dodge distance for probably the highest DPS melee in the game

I actually think they are bad for new players

[austere mica]

I don't think its that it counts as a heavy so much as they have the same damage profile

[frank ether]

It kinda is in a way

you are onto something there

[quiet valley]

It chains Haymaker

[faint beacon]

Thing is knife PA is classified as heavy

thats the funky thing

[austere mica]

Oh neat

[faint beacon]

so it doesn't hurt to test it

[quiet valley]

Dclaw/Shovel are my top picks for new players

[austere mica]

Dclaw is great

Parry boss to death

[last parcel]

parry every single target and use plasma for horde clear

[quiet valley]

Plasma user

[marble mantle]

Plasma 🤮

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-security-officer-tackling-me-as-the-suicide-bomb-goes-off-gif-14984245736024267589

[last parcel]

Shrek bj emoji

[quiet valley]

update sunder doesnt work with push attack

ggs

[hard cave]

[quiet valley]

was like 3006 with BM and 2841 with Sunder

[faint beacon]

Pain

I had a gut feeling it was Classified as light

Makes me wonder though

PS3...

[last parcel]

what if its a medium attack

[faint beacon]

Is its PA considered Heavy or Light

[quiet valley]

BM keeps its crown