veteran-class

[crimson pebble]

Also onslaught forgot about that its p good for recon las

[cerulean void]

I haven't played with it enough to notice much of a difference, personally?

defs needs to try it more tho

[weary acorn]

so question, this build obviously has you swap weapons, is there a reason not to focus more on either ranged or melee ?

[cerulean void]

🤷‍♀️ you don't have enough talent points?

lol

[weary acorn]

i meant more the build seems set up for weapon swapping

and i'm just curious to the thought that goes into that choice

[crimson pebble]

It is when ever youre swapping youre gaining toughness and stam for each swap after a kill it also gives big melee speed increase for a bit then guns gets increased rof and atleast one guaranteed crit i believe

[weary acorn]

basically making sure i benefit from frequent weapon swaps when in real combat i'm almost guaranteed to be swapping weapons?

[cerulean void]

it's pretty much "I use my weapons and would like to do more weapon"

[weary acorn]

intersting...

it makes a lot of sense now that i think about it, but i'd have never thought to pursue it normally

[cerulean void]

it gets pretty batty with the fact you have on demand chunk stam regen

[crimson pebble]

Also infiltration is not to be slept on very good imo lets you play pretty recklessly if you want

[cerulean void]

Infiltrate and "Leave No One Behind" is my bread and butter

[weary acorn]

okay so, whats the flow of combat look like for me, on my psyker i have an understanding to use trauma staff for cc and elite deletion, take out my melee weapon for monstrosities or mutants. Whats vet's flow look like?

[crimson pebble]

Leave no one behind is cooked no building around have to pick up other slack

[cerulean void]

it's less about picking up their slack and more getting a movespeed bonus as long as I'm facing them being bad

[crimson pebble]

Depends in your build w the one your thinking about using prob just hosing the monstrosities w the las would be best bet

Vet can be practically anything and has a lot more angles to how to be played then most ppl assume from the regular old basic gun guy class they appear to be on the surface

Ofcourse columnus super meta fart gun still exist but we dont talk about that

[cerulean void]

assuming VoC+shredder+recon+shovel+weapon spec?

shout as needed, it's free toughness/get-out-of-jail
shredders when you need breathing room
melee hordes
shoot elites/specialists
shoot bulwarks, shoot reapers, melee crushers
shoot monstrosities

aim for the squishy bits

[weary acorn]

gotcha

[cerulean void]

also, center-mass dump on maulers

[weary acorn]

yeah friggen helmet is carapace

[cerulean void]

maulers hate this one simple trick! (it's dumdum)

[weary acorn]

you guys were talking about infiltrate, I have mixed feelings on this ability as it sounds like stealth zealot,

basically go invis, all aggro is lost

[crimson pebble]

It is but in some aspects better

[cerulean void]

stealth builds, broadly speaking, are made better when your other teammates know how aggro works

if they can draw fire, flanking builds with infil are absolutely busted

[weary acorn]

if i wanted to say, alter this build you made for me to make use of infiltrate, what do you suggest i change?

[crimson pebble]

Zealots stealth is more dmg focused while vets has dmg nodes toughness reduction nodes and threat reduction nodes also being able to have two stealths banked and vets auto gives everyone in a radius suppression when exited unlike zealots

[dreamy spade]

Uhhh, so I just got 6 twin blast nades in a row

Is that supposed to happen

[cerulean void]

how married are you to scavenger?

[crimson pebble]

Would you be ok w no keystone

[weary acorn]

in answer to both of those

[crimson pebble]

Cause its either no keystone or no nade regen as your options

[weary acorn]

i would like to keep weapon specialist if i can, i like its effect, i however am not particularly tied to survivalist

if that can't be done

regenerating nades are too good to give up

ran a whole mission before this conversation happened without regening grenades, i was at 0 for the whole run

thats effectively a dead tool, so regen is important

[cerulean void]

this gives you a core with 3 talent points to spare

[crimson pebble]

I was about to say the node near the top thats like mini weapon specialist you get 25% dmg on switching weapons for 5 secs can work

[cerulean void]

you can do stealth build and take _ for having enemies pretty much ignore you once you exit stealth

or take _ for beeg tanking

that leaves two talent points for whatever else

[crimson pebble]

Low profiles more of a take then having 2 charges imo and hunters resolve is super cooked imo

[cerulean void]

low profile is goat once you know how it works with the enemy AI

I like on overwatch because it lets you have a longer CD in return for being able to use two infiltrates if needed

[crimson pebble]

Low profile would be so gamer if zealot had it to rlly rake in backstabs

[weary acorn]

okay lemme look over this...

[cerulean void]

but yeah, _ is definitely a personal flavour node

not nearly as bad as Only In Death on VoC but...

most people see cd reduc and go "ew"

[weary acorn]

so, if i get this right, this build would focus on making use of stealth soley to fuck with enemy AI is that correct?

[cerulean void]

and so you can push objectives like hacking while your team is busy

[weary acorn]

hmm that has some major useage

[crimson pebble]

It can also be used as a dmg boost, repositioning tool if yoh suddenly walk into a room of gunner or clutch revive

[weary acorn]

one of the things i loved about stealth zealot was its ability to revive

[crimson pebble]

Also i forgot to mention you get all your toughness back base from entering infiltrate

[cerulean void]

Infiltrate is a medium skill floor and high ceiling, I think

[weary acorn]

the only issue is i lose weapon specialist which concerns me a bit on stamina management

or am I overthinking that?

[cerulean void]

your stam curios should have stam regen on them, but also infiltrate is 8 seconds long. that's a lot of regen

[crimson pebble]

Itll only be and issue if you way way over extended ran out of stealth charges or got guard broken trying to block and attk and diedb

[cerulean void]

out of stam doesn't matter until you're absolutely surrounded

[weary acorn]

so i'll needs stamina curious with stama regen then

[cerulean void]

and then? well... infil XD

[cerulean void]

assuming this is still a recon build

[weary acorn]

it is

[crimson pebble]

The one downside to stealth tho is sometimes it wont exactly save you from a trapper dog or crusher over head thats already being thrown

[weary acorn]

I'll keep that caveat in mind

so these last three points, you' all have made suggestions but, is there a reason not to shoot for one of the two capstones?

[crimson pebble]

Also ragers theyll still finish out their combo in your last known location so they could still hit you in stealth

[cerulean void]

there is a LOT of vet nodes that are as strong or stronger than a keystone, and a lot of them are accessible on that build
you can spend those two on 20% more monstrosity and ogryn damage

[weary acorn]

in other words the keystones are a bit of a trap

noob trap*

[cerulean void]

to an extent, yes?

[weary acorn]

not in all cases, but in some of them

[cerulean void]

their efficacy in certain scenarios cannae be denied

but a vet who knows what they're doing really doesn't need keystones

[weary acorn]

i'd prefer to be the vet who knows what they're doing

okay so

3 points then

is the rending node good?

10% rending one

[main stirrup]

How's these stats for the recon lasgun? I know Stability is low, but thing's barely moving regardless

[weary acorn]

by the by, before i forget, thank you all for this assistance, i'm a psyker by trade so vet is uncharted waters for me

[cerulean void]

psyker main that was converted to vet, here 😛

[weary acorn]

more like psyker main, who will also use vet competently the world be damned for me

[crimson pebble]

Also vet didnt even have keystone till like last Decemberish i think is when they finally finished the tree but yea ketstone less vet build is def viable

[weary acorn]

oh you meant you

woops

reading comprehension, aint it a wonderful skill

[cerulean void]

stability will assist in keeping the spread tighter, longer, when firing long bursts

mobility is nice for the dodge boost, so it comes down to personal taste

I personally prefer higher stability as it makes the gun a bit more reliable in hectic moments

[weary acorn]

is tactical reload worth going for ?

[cerulean void]

you won't hear me speak ill of vanguard and tac reload

[crimson pebble]

I know @somber axle has a odd rending something something recon las build that works rlly well supposedly i dont know any the details tho

[weary acorn]

reloading faster is something i like so i suppose tahts a safe two points spent

[crimson pebble]

If you looks up their message history in this channel im sure itll be there somewhere

[weary acorn]

that leaves one point

[cerulean void]

I will say, it's two points you could also put into _

[crimson pebble]

Field improvs always a good 1 point sink

[weary acorn]

.... oh thats a hard choice....

maaaaan

[cerulean void]

and I'd like to make an argument for duck and dive

if you dodge under enemy fire, that's just more stamina for your crits

[weary acorn]

.... oh man what the heck do i chose now lol

[cerulean void]

see, yeah

[crimson pebble]

Longshot got kind of indirectly nerfed last update as close range got moved from 8m to 12.5m now so its less consistent

[cerulean void]

keystones are really not needed lol

[weary acorn]

whew yeah okay uh

[cerulean void]

yeaaaaaah, big sadge for my close range being usable

[weary acorn]

duck and dodge i think sadly is a deffinate take, i dont like getting shot

and when i'm running from being shot the stamina would be amazing

[cerulean void]

don't forget to also slide and dodge lol

[weary acorn]

I think sadly though its vangard and 25% reload

its more consistent, doesn't require a specialist or elite kill

and sprint speed reduction is... very nice

i want that ranged damage bad though lol

[cerulean void]

vanguard will make your stam go further when you move, yeah

luv me vanguard

[crimson pebble]

Theirs also stripped down blessing if you wanted to meme build that i think it might proc duck and dive if im not mistaken

[cerulean void]

it will, yeah

duck and dive+stripped down is stuuupid fun lol

not a great deadshot combo but still

[crimson pebble]

But at that point id rather give up infernus over dumdum and then the whole needing alot of stamina falls apart

[cerulean void]

and dumdum's interaction with infernus is kind of important on that

[weary acorn]

my current gun, its a pos i know but its what i got

[crimson pebble]

Just put flak and maniac on it for now

[cerulean void]

workable
if you don't have tier IVs for those, definitely just swap the two perks

[weary acorn]

okay, so maniac and flak then?

not crit chance?

[crimson pebble]

Never crit chance

[cerulean void]

nnnnoooooooo!!! 5% ain't shit

you're already using stam for on-demand

[weary acorn]

gotcha

[cerulean void]

personal opinion, pick flak OR maniac (who do you hate more, everyone? or ragers?) and add +unyielding

[weary acorn]

welp first things first, tikme to hunt curios

[crimson pebble]

I do love deadshot w surgical on bolt pistol for nearly guaranteed crits every shot

[cerulean void]

pump up those monstrosity melting bby

[weary acorn]

... i would like to kill monstrosities

[crimson pebble]

Iv never rlly played recon las tbh so idk much about its unyielding abilities

[cerulean void]

if you luck out with a combat stim, you can do 1 to 1 1/2 mags for pretty much any monster

BoN is just target practice on this build anyways

[idle pecan]

is this bricked

[crimson pebble]

You said you played pysker aswell you could do a pretty crazy scriars gaze build w recon insane amounts of crits

[weary acorn]

I could, but i'm married to my trauma staff, mages should mage

[crimson pebble]

Not entirely

[cerulean void]

psyker with a recon does go hard, say goodbye to your ammo economy tho

[crimson pebble]

Do you have manstopper already banked

[idle pecan]

no.

[crimson pebble]

Cooked

[idle pecan]

f

[thick needle]

When my teammates ask how I manage to be dogshit at the game with 550 hours logged in it

[idle pecan]

should i get infernus on this

[crimson pebble]

I like the shock maul a lot but unless you have kraks id be iffy to run it w recon

[weary acorn]

thank you both again, time to get used to this infiltrator

[cerulean void]

I do, haha

if they weren't there I would definitely be dust

but that falter makes short work of hordes

[cerulean void]

if you need a teammate who understands infil, I'd be happy to play sometime haha

[weary acorn]

i'd be okay with that

[cerulean void]

infil is made stronger by teammates who know how it works, like smoke grenades

soooo happy smokes work now

[crimson pebble]

My fav build has been knife double barrel infiltrate w the never reload manstopper weapon specialist nonsense

[cerulean void]

I'm trying to get that unlocked but I might wait for the crafting touchups

[crimson pebble]

Id wait i had to get a new character to lvl 20 blew tad of 15k steel building blues trying to get it

[cerulean void]

fatshark ID's in my username in this server, otherwise I'm sure you can find me on steam

[idle pecan]

what should i put on this

[cerulean void]

carapace to either flak or maniac and... yeah probably infernus if the final blessing is garbage

I... can't remember the ILG combos

I like a headhunter with deadly accurate, don't know how infernus performs without dumdum to back it up

especially on a 12, that slow fire rate won't really proc a whole lot

wish they'd buff Efficiency blessing

[jovial aurora]

okay veterans

so i've got this on my psyker but i don't need headhunter, does vet need headhunter?

[cerulean void]

recons with infernus should always be paired with dumdum

they've a decent base crit modifier chance as is

vet can use headhunter but they also have the option for deadshot

[jovial aurora]

you don't think open perks would be better with death spitter?

[cerulean void]

deathspitter's "only" +6.5%, dumdum is infinitely better than deathspitter, especially with the buff to what's considered close range

[jovial aurora]

deathspitter stacks

5 times, it's just not in the verbage

[cerulean void]

huh, I should test that

never noticed

[weary acorn]

this build is good but unfortunately teammates are ever the bane of my existance lol

but at least i was the last one left alive this time

[cerulean void]

as ever lol
yeah, this is why I always recommend people try all the classes. knowing how different kits work can make or break entire runs, just because you know how X person will behave presented Y challenge (provided they know how their own build works, too)

[jovial aurora]

notice the stack on status effects

[cerulean void]

I suppose then it's a matter of if you're closerange or not? 🤷

[jovial aurora]

dum dum is on close range hit too

both are

[cerulean void]

dumdum's just repeated hit, different trigger mechanic, yeah

[jovial aurora]

deathspitter is kills but power, dumdum is hits but damage which is weaker as the game defines it

that's if it's actually "damage" too

[cerulean void]

by what... 2%?

[jovial aurora]

rampage is defined as damage but is actuallly power lol

power is other things other than damage as well

power is damage cleave and stagger

@white minnow is dumdum actually "damage" or is it hidden power like rampage?

[cerulean void]

so deathspitter relies on the kill but you an added 2% on top of additonal cleave and stagger bonuses which you'd probably want on the heavier model, not the mk2

I don't know how that'd perform on a VI considering I've only tested it with dumdum+infernus and it also doesn't have a lot of cleave or stagger

[jovial aurora]

cleave has some unwritten mechanics with flak armor as well lol

ahhh the verbage of this game and what things actually do are a fucking rabbit hole worse than borderlands 3 lol

[crimson pebble]

Power is increased stagger and cleave if im not mistaken ontop of dmg

[crimson pebble]

Also the way they changed brutal momentum to no longer work on ogryn enemies but it doesnt say this anywhere in game now

[jovial aurora]

good that stinky blessing too stronk anyway

[crimson pebble]

We need tier11 brutal momentum now

I hope one day they buff fanning revolver atleast

[cerulean void]

gods yes, it was such a disappointment

[crimson pebble]

Iv not seen anyone use it since it came out either

[jovial aurora]

i see it on zealot a lil bit

i think if they just gave it like a 180 ammo cap it would be fine tbh

[cerulean void]

swapped my dumdum IV to deathspitter III and tested in psyk on my recon VI

IMO Dumdum is better because it's repeated hit. on-kill makes it super unreliable if you're only taking out elites/specials (which should be your main targets anyways)

[jovial aurora]

i really like this recon 6 on my psyker tho shit's got some hilarious interactions

[cerulean void]

is deathspitter at max stacks "stronger"? yes, definitely

the issue is getting there and keeping it between reloads

[jovial aurora]

my only feelings on deathspitter is supereasy to feed off kills so i think for killing psecials and elites it would actually be better but for bossing dummy would be the better grab

[cerulean void]

aye, and recons have some dummy thicc monster damage now

[jovial aurora]

the 6 being the worst but with infernus it's not bad. i like it cuz it just absolutely flattens everything that's not carapace, is stable unlike some guns that are praised, and does okay bossing

[cerulean void]

VI shines with infernus but it shines more on a vet with deadshot. we've, uh, actually been talking about that lol

luv me VI, haven't put it down since I picked it up

small side note too, the game calculates deathspitter at a lower total power than dumdum

for weapon rating, that is

not that that really makes any difference for weapons 350+

[cerulean void]

can attest, yeah

deathspitter pulls ahead by just the slightest bit on my VI with the caveat that the gun needs to do the killing

so using deathspitter with an infernus build gets kinda choppy when you're letting the burn do the killing

[wise jackal]

Is spamming l1 bc on shock maul valid? Or is it too low damage

[upper dock]

Is the VIIa as good as the Vld?

[somber axle]

They're both good at different things tbh

I will fetch the chart

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

Recon Mk VId has the highest rate of fire, Recon Mk VIIa has a cleave value of 3 on each shot. To explain the cleave it means it can shoot 2 poxwalkers down (each has a hit mass of 1.2) so the first shot will penetrate it and strike the target behind it too. This is extra helpful for cleaving through hordes to hit a Rager in the middle of them

Keep in mind the Recon Mk VId has the most consistent and easiest to achieve DPS/TTK vs Crushers. The Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa cannot get good value out of Onslaught due to their much slower rate of fire. 2.5% brittleness per stack up to a max of 16 stacks hits max stacks FAST on the Recon Mk VId but comparatively you'll struggle to hit max stacks in any reasonable amount of time on the Recon Mk VIIa

Oh and single target DPS difference between the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa is very small. 200-400ish DPS dependent on talent build and target

Generally not enough to cause any significant change in TTK

The real difference between the Recon Mk II and the others is the much better ammo economy. The main difference between the Recon Mk VIIa and the others is the cleave. And lastly the Recon Mk VId has the crazy high rate of fire and massive magazine size for funny light machine gun vibes

They're all solid guns regardless and it's more up to personal preference because the differences in damage are pretty insignificant on most targets (with one notable exception to Recon Mk VId being the best and really only option for Crusher killing when paired with Rending Strikes + Onslaught)

Am at work so I gotta sneak off BYE

[jovial aurora]

6 basically makes you immortal on psyker as well cuz crit survivability talents

[upper dock]

That's a lot of information. Thank you

[idle pecan]

💀

[fleet thicket]

guys

what do you pair ghost with?

on knatrael 12?

headhunter

or deadly accurate?

[last parcel]

i use opening salvo

[radiant chasm]

Mk12 goes both headhunter DA to help it hit it’s BPs if you aren’t going both i’d try OS or NR

Opening salvo or no respite

I guess headhunter ghost?

[thin socket]

6-8 rounds with a speed loader

only way it'll be worth using

[fleet thicket]

BUT

the guide on

whats his name

path made

he has headhunter,ghost,deadly accurate

as the main blessings

[last parcel]

keep in mind that’s an old version and the current one may be different

[weary acorn]

what blessings am I looking for on a M3 powersword?

[last parcel]

power cycler 4 then brutal movementum or sunder

[weary acorn]

tyvm

[radiant chasm]

On zealot?

Anyways mk12 hasn’t been the good choice for a while it got power crept

We can’t hit oneshot bps with it on zealot, even vet has to massively invest to do it

Using a las pistol or the mkia will be more rewarding

[radiant chasm]

Get a laspistol and go dum dum ghost

[idle pecan]

is this good

[weary acorn]

oh wow really?

[idle pecan]

@formal lake would you reccomend any of the shotguns?

ah ok

just recently got a good rashad and wanted to mainly use it while switching to gun to delete bigger threats

that ISNT the plasma

[somber axle]

isn't there some niche value from Mk III charged heavies being easier to catch an entire line of poxwalkers/ragers at head height easier vs the diagonal lights of the VI

like the lights are easier to spam but the moveset is a more awkward angle for catching targets

was this changed? I remember the VI doing diagonal swings on lights

top right to bottom left, top left to bottom right

vs the completely horizontal swing of the III heavies

like the lights are still faster and safer to swing when fighting ragers/hordes but the angles mean things just on the edges of the screen don't get caught vs the III's horizontals catch everything

I want to check in the Psykanium real quick to verify I'm not insane LOL

[last parcel]

i think the answer to that specific question is the same either way

[somber axle]

honestly yeah LOL

[arctic rampart]

be a man and use a rubber band sling instead of plasma. the emp will see your deeds.

o .. 0 .. (unless the emp is a rotting corpse, btw)

[somber axle]

Yeah Azrael is right

L1 and L2 are perfectly horizontal

it's weird because I have distinct memories of the L1 and L2 being diagonal and the L3 being horizontal

clown brain rot is real

[severe gale]

that was the psword mk3

the lights are all horizontal

[somber axle]

Ah ok that makes more sense

[idle pecan]

what exactly makes the ciagv so strong

[last parcel]

kill good

[severe gale]

large mag size, high headshot damage, fast rate of fire makes crits more likely, along with building talent stacks (brittleness on repeated hit on hit for example)

[arctic rampart]

In a game with complete terribles, the ciagV is weaker than the plasma. the plasma has basically infinite cleave which is useful for oh-shit situations where you gotta clutch e.g. through a train of crushers, bulwarks, reapers, and 300 horde. however, the better your group is the more that gun shines as its fast to targets and all around solid damage.

columnus is widely viewed as strongest but the other ones are interesting so test them out and see which one is your preference

I didn't say anything about bosses. I'm sure onslaught etc. settings lots of guns are better at bosses than plasma though

[idle pecan]

HOW CAN YOU KILL A BOSS IN 5s with the CIAGV

[severe gale]

i wouldn’t use boss kill as a comparison tbh, thammer can kill bosses faster but doesn’t make it amazing

[severe gale]

psyker with true aim, DD, scriers gaze

dumdum

yeah i know but still boss kill isn’t a great comparison point for overall performance

i would say plasma and columnus are about the same tier

[radiant chasm]

exec stance

[arctic rampart]

yeah boss damage isn't the reason I like plasma. who cares about boss damage vet's job is shout and elites

[radiant chasm]

plasma and ciag are both 2 different roles

zarona is not > than plasma

no

one cleaves crushers and bulwarks

yea but then you aren't factoring in cleave

they are two different weapons in two different roles and they are both OP as fuck

at what they do

sure, reloading doesn't exist

no i'm saying ciag and plasma

revolver and plasma compete yes but lmao plasma cleaves way more than zarona

but that's just whataboutism

focus on the previous statements

CIAG and Plasma are two entirely different types of weapons

[severe gale]

neutrinokingg

[radiant chasm]

play with this karker

[wind grotto]

the zarona also comes out much faster

[radiant chasm]

i'm so shocked the mobile weapon can make the slower weapon harder to compete for elite kills

i'm not playing with you, weirdo

[arctic rampart]

Listen guys, this conversation is over. I'm invoking corgi butt https://media.tenor.com/sH-ejP8Em60AAAAM/cute.gif

[radiant chasm]

zarona is faster, and zarona has it's own things it's better at

[wind grotto]

I absolutely prefer plasma but the revolver is better in most ways

it's hard not to agree with that

[radiant chasm]

but plasma cleaves multiple bulwarks and crushers, and generally cleaves more

[severe gale]

i think we should all kiss

[last parcel]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/mauzy-mice-gif-12371265837555442738

[radiant chasm]

saying it's >>> is dumb

it is at most zarona>plasma

[astral ingot]

[radiant chasm]

triple greater is a massive exaggeration

except if there is walls/cover

[arctic rampart]

this is now a nerf zerona, buff plasma because its weak thread. thanks all

[hearty panther]

nerf zarona, rework plasma

[rocky trellis]

nerf HIS GUN, buff MY GUN, okthx dog bless

[radiant chasm]

this has nothing to do with what we talked about

[hollow dome]

Yeah rework plasma, I want a lore accurate one where 1 in every 6 shots kills me and anyone close to me 😐

[radiant chasm]

and this is 3 crushers

like what the fuck is your arguement

where is the 15 crushers

[hearty panther]

see yall on the other side

this was $10, ridiculous

[arctic rampart]

https://gifdb.com/images/high/corgi-puppy-wiggling-tail-j3lwkapvabwlqrco.gif

damn $10, that would get me hallucinating

I bet its fucking infused 30-40s % too

[rocky trellis]

what's the general consensus on the Bolt Pistol? and what do I even really want on it? I see Surgical+DA

[hearty panther]

39.1%

[radiant chasm]

like okay use plasma with a meme exec stance+ focus target build, put in multiple monstros for monstrous maelstroms

[radiant chasm]

nice

have fun

enjoy responsibly

[severe gale]

gamble

drive

[arctic rampart]

Listen @hearty panther you gotta try lamb's bread, forget that infused crap

[wanton dawn]

Az stop it, I know you are a melee main

[hearty panther]

ill do heroin but ill never gamble

[radiant chasm]

plasma takes forever to kill stuff

[severe gale]

heroin is gross

[radiant chasm]

okay templars

literally suffering from success

you lined up 3

and didn't post a plasma video

you dweeb

absolute weirdo

[severe gale]

fight fight fight fight fight fight

[arctic rampart]

Heroin, don't you mean fentanyl.. be careful

[last parcel]

that one hallowette line

[severe gale]

wha

[hearty panther]

zaronas niche is that its the best gun in the game, just a humble niche it has carved out for itself

[radiant chasm]

"play with me play with me" no you probably just run around and kill the elites faster than the plasma player can it's not rocket science

[hearty panther]

lmao

so its better

[hollow dome]

TaKeS fOrEvEr To KiLl

Its an one hit on almost everything, much like the revolver 🤣 ]

[radiant chasm]

i said that

my statement is that it isn't 3x better

[hearty panther]

it pretty much is

[severe gale]

they both are hitscan

[hearty panther]

its hard to affix a real precise number

[hollow dome]

No shit a pistol draws fast dork, who would argue otherwise ones a dam ncnnon

[radiant chasm]

post real tests and i'll consider playing with you (i won't)

[hearty panther]

but like yeah it is tremendously faster to fire and follow up shots with

[arctic rampart]

do you guys play with randos or a set group?

[severe gale]

randoms usually

[arctic rampart]

do you think your meme exec build is higher winrate or shout

[somber axle]

Clown's take: Weapon Specialist (specifically Always Prepared) is the only reason Zarona is meta

[radiant chasm]

you did 3 crushers and one monstro for revolver only

[somber axle]

if Zarona had to actually care about the awful reload speed people wouldn't use it

[arctic rampart]

cause lately the randos auric have been full of people you need to help

[radiant chasm]

give it 15 crushers and 3 monstros and test plasma

[hearty panther]

nah zarona even w/o wepspec is straight busted

wepspec just negates most of its drawbacks and even elevates some of its benefits

[radiant chasm]

zarona is busted I hope it and plasma are buried side by side

[somber axle]

still strong but without the auto-reload it becomes more balanced and the reload speed quickly begins to catch up to it on trying to kill multiple elites/specials

[last parcel]

everybody knows conditioning + deadshot revolver is the real meta ws setup

[hearty panther]

i would never fkn dare to call revolver balanced

[somber axle]

take away the instant reload on weapon swap and it falls behind

[arctic rampart]

I see lots of people pick tiny daggers and 1800s revolvers in the year 40,000. hey, why not use a stick while you're at it..

[somber axle]

could you still do the funny meme and instagib a boss in 5 shots? yeah but then you have to reload all 5 shots LOL

[radiant chasm]

like it's the same as when I'm using CIAG vs a revolver

[arctic rampart]

I'm not allowed to use weak tech weapons, Im Nikola Tesla god damnit

[somber axle]

the reload is what the gun is balanced around and the build that benefits it most is the talent tree that ignores the awful reload speed

[radiant chasm]

revolver is faster and oneshots, if the revolver player is better than me (easy cause i'm legally blind) I'm typically going to have my kills stolen by the time i'm aiming at an enemy

but if a boss is actually moving around, i'm the one doing more dps

[hearty panther]

the reload is not a negative

it is in fact a strong benefit to the revolver

you can cancel at any time and fire what you loaded

[somber axle]

Zarona reload is glacially slow without reload talents, Agripina speedloader for reloading all 5 shots at once is meant to be the thing that gives it a pro vs Zarona but because Always Prepared exists reloading all 5 shots at once doesn't matter because Zarona can just slap a poxwalker then swap and do that repeatedly

[hearty panther]

and when your bullet cleaves 7 mass and is the size of a cantaloupe and instantly draws

that means seizing opportunities immediately

[somber axle]

sure and if you had to manually reload each shot your TTK falls apart

[hearty panther]

sure but you dont really

[somber axle]

the cleave and Always Prepared are what make it crazy

[radiant chasm]

not what i said lol

[severe gale]

idk what kind of games ur getting

[somber axle]

take away Always Prepared and you'd probably see Zarona begin to fall out of favour

[severe gale]

my games the team takes like 4 years to kill a boss

[hearty panther]

you load whenever you can, you stop as soon as you see a great opportunity to fire, rinse and repeat

[radiant chasm]

she only plays premades i guess lol

[hearty panther]

i mean i dont run scoreboard

[last parcel]

no i've quickplayed into him and that did happen

[arctic rampart]

how dare you assume gender, @radiant chasm ! Azreal is a girl cat.

[hearty panther]

but of the two matches weve played

[somber axle]

the problem is that in Aurics/Maelstroms reloading whenever you can on a weapon that reloads as slowly as Zarona Revolver without Always Prepared means not reloading much at all and leaning heavier into melee Vet playstyle

[hearty panther]

i didnt need it to see him crush shit lol

sadly i did dunk on him with my stealth shmaul build, totally dumped, he will never post the logs tho

[wanton dawn]

Though Az is abrasive he does back up his crap

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/log-cabin-log-logged-get-logged-lolol-gif-20978297

[hearty panther]

hes not abrasive hes just french canadian

[radiant chasm]

like take any gun and compare it to zarona, a good zarona player will absolutely choke other vets out of kills by sheer being faster, while most slower vet weapons are going to be farther back.

[arctic rampart]

is that the rosanne lady? she looks familiar

[radiant chasm]

where is the 10/15 crushers?

[hearty panther]

i do wanna see how far shmaul was from yall lmao

[wanton dawn]

On what ?

[hearty panther]

put it up

[somber axle]

I'd describe him more as very, very blunt LOL

[radiant chasm]

back it up with one vid with revolver killing 3 crushers and a single frozen spawn

[hearty panther]

i basically had the best case scenario to test it with all yall already running VoC for me

and it was still pretty mid, albeit safe

[wanton dawn]

Killing crusher and spawn is not hard though

[radiant chasm]

no plasma vids, and none of the numbers mentioned in the talk

[arctic rampart]

gaucherie inelegance unskilfulness ponderousness lumberingness heavy-handedness accident-proneness rudeness coarseness

[idle pecan]

do you have to charge fire plasma for it to kill them

[radiant chasm]

charging each shot okay

[hearty panther]

my last name is têtu 😦 azrael and mccraime do not mock me

[idle pecan]

i thought charge fire on the plasma was bad

[radiant chasm]

templars be wilding

[hollow dome]

Only a moron charges the PG for 90% of situations

[somber axle]

the charge only increases damage 2.6x and has more cleave value so generally spamming uncharged shots is the way to go but then I'm not a plasma main so idk LOL

[wanton dawn]

At least it is not Cocu

[hearty panther]

or Bozo

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[hollow dome]

Charging the PG is like manually reloading the revolver

[somber axle]

it's both more damage effective and more ammo efficient to shoot three uncharged shots vs one charged shot and generally the TTK will change very little

[radiant chasm]

we out here holding a charge

and blowing ourselves up

[wanton dawn]

No az

you cant cleave crusher

[hearty panther]

carapace is uncleavable barring like

is it two blessings now

[somber axle]

idk if you can kill a Crusher in 1 uncharged shot but I remember going into a comparison of charged shot vs uncharged shot on Crushers and generally Plasma kills Crushers in 3 uncharged shots, with some juice you can reach 2HKO but idk about 1HKO

[severe gale]

sunder and the illisi

[somber axle]

but the TTK of 1 charged shot vs 3 uncharged shots is pretty similar

[hearty panther]

pffft shit idk

06/08/2024

just in case you needed the year too

we did like

three? Four? We failed some lol

Melee maelstrom

[somber axle]

ok yeah

[hearty panther]

the fukken stairs

[somber axle]

you can 1HKO a Crusher with an uncharged shot and a weird amount of talent tree juice LMFAO

[hearty panther]

lmao

[wanton dawn]

That one ?

[hearty panther]

didnt help that i rezzed one into a crusher i didnt even see cause of the poopy stealth filter

[wanton dawn]

ONly have 4 minutes too

[hearty panther]

owel, we can only extrapolate that my shmaul performed so far beyond parameters that all systems failed to capture its output

its only reasonable

[wanton dawn]

Btw, beat this you scrub

very natural scenario

[hearty panther]

literal only use case for a charged plasma shot

not joking

whaaa

thats pretty specific

[wanton dawn]

Charged shot has some increased cleave on wall but not the one we have on psy

Its not worth though

[hearty panther]

but also i didnt realize they had different environment cleave

funny

that cant be right

handrails?

id test this but i refuse to use revolver lmao

[severe gale]

corrugated metal?

yay

i helped!

[hearty panther]

so not just an overextended enemy hitbox

ye the ray is phat

but like, enemies will press against walls

and expose bodyparts through it

i keep rewatching that clip

i just hate it so much

you can aim between two heads and hit both

its fucking magic

[weary acorn]

Man, stamina +3 curios are suddenly so hard to find

[lusty sapphire]

21% hp curios too

[last parcel]

and then when you finally find one it has 75 base rating and is fake

[idle pecan]

how do i instakill bosses with the ciagv

do i need to use exe stance?

[dreamy spade]

Zarona crit cleave makes my pants wet

[somber axle]

I'm off for the rest of today and the next 3 days so possibly! But not right now. I could maybe do later today or one of the next few days though

[fossil basalt]

I fucking love the Recon VI, I love hosing heretics in purifying lasfire

[bold sierra]

Quite late reply, this is just me but I probably use Kantrael MG1a a lot with Orestes Chainaxe with Marksmen Focus and Executioner Stance. The skilltree allows for a lot of different combination that round each other out but at this point I think it's mostly just people barely wanting to experience with other stuff and play around with variety, idk. I got 2.7k hours into the game and Vet is my 2nd most played class behind Zealot.

But yeah, I can see why people just use Plasma, I mean...it's just damn easy to use, but I do wish people would just experiment more. And hopefully FS will buff more weapons to make them more enticing to experiemtn with lol.

If it gets to a point where the Kantrael guns replaces the Plasma gun in its current position, I'm honestly all for that lol....cuz cmon, it's the Kantrael xD. Same with Bolter and Boltpistol to the Revolver.

[midnight totem]

The lasguns are in a great place tbh

It's just that plasma can deal with carapace, and has that excellent cleave to deal with dense groups of shooters

Even with a nerf to the regular cleave of plasma guns, you won't do much to the overall amount of plasma gun users because the other options you have just can't deal with carapace as well

[fleet thicket]

guys

osmeone told me rashad meant to 3 shot

crushers?

i dont think thats possible?

its 4 shot it seems

[somber axle]

probably with buffs and carapace perk?

I think the optimal Rashad is meant to have Unarmoured, Carapace, Headtaker and Brutal Momentum

[tall torrent]

Yea

[somber axle]

then if you go down right side talent tree and pick up the 10% melee damage and 5% melee damage nodes on top of Desperado you can probably reach it?

[muted knot]

It depends on your actual modifiers, it really Just come down to one tapping bruiser heads

[tall torrent]

With carapace u can 3 hit crushers, or 2 tap if one Crit

It’s quite good

[fleet thicket]

whats the minium damage first target and

finnese

you got for this?

also is this at max stack of headtaker?

[fossil basalt]

Gods
yeah it's really hard to make the KanXII have the cleave it (IMO) needs, but then you start edging into helbore territory and it just cascades from there

Plasma and revolver are just beeg problem

[tall torrent]

No u can hit it starting from 0 headtaker

[silent bison]

Hey just started playing again after not for awhile and vet got a talent rework so my setup got wiped clean, any tips on what to do? I don’t mind trying new stuff

[tall torrent]

I had just above 70 for everything

[fossil basalt]

What kind of weapons do you like?

[coral willow]

even like 67% finesse roll with carapace perk can reletively safely 3shot crusher from 0 headtaker stacks p sure

[silent bison]

Usually like melee over guns but for vet I used a mix of slow heavy melee and full auto guns

[tall torrent]

The problem is that most people suck at melee so they try to use ranged weapons for crushers even though it’s way less efficient most of the time

[silent bison]

Saw there’s a new shotgun and bolt pistol, they any good?

[tall torrent]

Shotgun’s nice

Boltpistol is not for everybody

[coral willow]

both arent for everybody

situational guns really

i think boltpistol suffers more tho

shotgun you can just run it and oneshot stuff

[plain escarp]

Does anyone have a build that use krak grenade, close and kill and weapon specialist? Or a combination of 2 at the least

Wanna do penance but now with terrible builds

[fossil basalt]

As a simple build overview, I'll recommend heading down the middle of the tree till the final third (after you select your career ability, voice of command) and then going to the far right side if you enjoy a melee lean with full auto ranged as a backup type deal

[midnight totem]

That's like one of my default builds but okay

[fossil basalt]

Your grenade will change to anti-armour as I assume you'll be having something like a braced autogun or infantry autogun

[plain escarp]

oh it is? Can you post it?

[plain escarp]

thanks 😄

[midnight totem]

This build is melee orientated

[fossil basalt]

This might be a good start

[midnight totem]

So bring your best knife, chainsword, shovel, axe, or power sword

[plain escarp]

One point away from weapon specialist

[idle swallow]

going both sides around the +25 toughness node in the bottom right gives me pain

[plain escarp]

I modified the right

[lyric dock]

Yeah. That's 25 free toughness being given up for no reason

[midnight totem]

Thr brittlenese on crit hit is

Objectively terrible

[thorn lark]

It's not critically important

https://tenor.com/view/brian-baumgartner-badumtss-the-office-kevin-joke-gif-15818642

[midnight totem]

More like critically disappointing

[thorn lark]

No reciprocity makes me sad.

No precision strikes too

[fading yarrow]

How vital is reload speed for the bolt pistol?

[thorn lark]

Not vital

[fading yarrow]

Sweet

[plain escarp]

The Emperor blessed me with a 380 base weapon

Worth keeping?

[vast edge]

GAMBLE

[fleet thicket]

okay then just one quesiton what

[last parcel]

[fleet thicket]

talents?

[tall torrent]

What does ur tree look like

[plain escarp]

what do I change, and is it usable?

[tall torrent]

It’s bricked unfortunately

[last parcel]

you hang it up on the wall so it looks pretty

[tall torrent]

4/4 bricked

[plain escarp]

But the locks will go away yes?

[lusty sapphire]

Copium

[plain escarp]

prudence

[weary acorn]

do 3 stamina curios actually exist?

[lusty sapphire]

Just keep it in the inventory, you don't get anything from selling jt

[lusty sapphire]

Yes

[weary acorn]

I don't believe you lol

gah i'm this close to just using the 2 stamina ones

[plain escarp]

bro just get a +3

[last parcel]

it’ll work for now

[languid terrace]

Need advice on how to build this

[lusty sapphire]

You gamble 1 more time and if you don't get any useful perk/blessing, it's bricked

[languid terrace]

Which blessings & perks should I look for?

[tall torrent]

Take elite damage

[lusty sapphire]

Both barrel, deathspitter, speedload, manstopper, scattershot. For perks either maniac or flak. I like maniac more cause it'll be easier dealing with stuff like specials and ragers

[lyric dock]

Manstopper is a T2 blessing iirc. You may have to yoink it from the lucky ass roll from Brunt's shop if it is in rotation or Melk having it assuming maxed out character and don't want to make a 5th character for the purpose of getting low level blessings

[radiant chasm]

so is flechette

commando/weapon specialist can run manstopper+flechette since the keystone gives a crit

[weary acorn]

mark 6 powersword, finiesse and mobiilty are the weak stats for that right?

[severe gale]

u want finesse

[weary acorn]

so this is an okay weapon then?

[severe gale]

yeah that’s like almost perfect

[weary acorn]

should i change the perk or the blessing? obviously i've already changed one

gotcha,

[copper shell]

carapace lets you get to reliable 2 shot with melee vet builds but its kinda iffy still

without carapace I sometimes hit 2 shot breakpoint with minimal ammount of hitpoints remaining with all melee buffs build but I might be mistaken since I last used pws 1 month ago

[rocky trellis]

I have been wondering about my PS6's performance, that answers it, thank you

[weary acorn]

How good is suppresion immunity?

[lusty sapphire]

You get 2 shot even without, reliably

Pa + strikedown should always seal the deal

It's pretty easy as long as you make sure the first poke is on the head

[lusty sapphire]

It's good as long as you're not being directly fired at

If you have a spare point you can take it but there's better thing to spend it on. Like demo or stam regen delay

[slow spade]

suppression immunity is useless because the ideal range for the Vet is point blank 😎

[weary acorn]

on curios, should i be rolling damage resistances at all?

keep in mind i need stamina curios to make best use of deadshot

[slow spade]

I don't

usually just sliding around solves damage issues

[somber axle]

Depends on the gun tbh. Some guns have immunity (Shotguns, Plasma) and some guns have resistance to suppression so strong they are borderline immunity (Helbores, Laspistol) but for things with lots of weapon sway it can be useful if you can spare the point. It's very useful for Boltgun and Boltpistol imo

[slow spade]

obligatory just kill the guy shooting you too

[weary acorn]

well i know stamina regen is a necessity

just wondering if i should get stamina, helath, or toughness regen speed

[somber axle]

You want at least one 20% Sniper Resist

also collectively +34% HP between all your sources of HP

there are two 5% HP nodes in the talent tree but it's not often someone gets both

you can comfortably reach it with 2 HP curios (21% x 2) or you could do 1 HP curio and HP perks on all curios with 1 HP talent (21% + 20%)

it lets you tank multiple poxbursters and sniper shots without going down so it's a very useful HP breakpoint

it gets you above 200 HP which is the important bit and the extra HP above that is to help account for chip damage

btw ignore Toughness Regen Speed on curios for Vet

it exclusively boosts coherency toughness regen and no other source of toughness regen

[weary acorn]

interesting, unfortunately i dont think i have room for an hp curio need the stamina

gotcha

maybe I should though h mm

[last parcel]

2 stam 1 health would be fine once you find those +3s

[weary acorn]

that is true

i can live with that

let me... set this up

[somber axle]

it's a very useful thing to have and if you really want a stamina curio you can either do 2 HP 1 stam or go 1 HP, 1 Stam, (Insert Third Curio of Choice Here)

just remember you need HP perks on all curios if you go with 1 HP curio

depending on build I like running 1 HP, 2 Toughness or 1 HP, 1 Toughness, 1 Stam

also FINALLY

brunt has gifted me the last tier 1 blessing for Recons

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

MISSION COMPLETE

[last parcel]

the red honky nose is complete

[lusty sapphire]

2? Just get target down if you wanna use deadshot tbf

[somber axle]

only missing one blessing for the Kantrael Infantry Lasguns too

OH ALSO

make sure your base ilvl rating for your stam curio is above 76

there's a bug where it will show +3 stam on the curio at level 75 but it only provides +2 stam in games

something something Fatshark spaghetti rounding up

but not actually

LOL

this is actively telling lies

[weary acorn]

34% health right?

[somber axle]

yeah

[weary acorn]

I think... i made it

[somber axle]

as long as you have 34% HP between all sources you're good

anything extra is just to give you leeway on chip damage

[weary acorn]

and one 20% sniper

should i do gunner as well?

or just do 5% more toughness

[somber axle]

some people really love Gunner resist so it's up to you

I run triple gunner resist perks on my Psyker curios

that's probably dumb but I have no idea what I'm doing on Psyker

I think the generally the good perks tend to be Gunner Resist, Sprint Efficiency, Stamina Regen and Sniper Resist (x1). HP and Toughness are ok too

I also really like Corruption Resistance though

how to be in a team with grims and not be constantly 1 wound

OH I ALMOST FORGOT
Combat Ability Regen is a good perk too

Infiltrate with Overwatch benefits immensely from it

[shut valve]

never thought about that tbh, ive probably been too focused on toughness this whole time

[elder fiber]

a lot of it is really just preference, but if you go multiple wounds (or any wounds on ogryn) I'm going to look at you funny

[last parcel]

+3 wounds suicide bomber plasma

[mental parcel]

I always make sure even as experienced as I am to have 3 Wounds instead of 2

[heavy rover]

i do extra wound, but everything else to toughness so I can maximize iron will

[frank ether]

finally someone leaked the martyrdom vet meta

[cerulean linden]

just make an all +3 Stam, knife + krak nade regen, voice of command build. Then play specialist hi-shock Aurics, feels like I'm shouting at and knocking over mobs of heretics every five seconds

[tame lodge]

Add a wave of muties

[real osprey]

does anyone know any strategies on how to fight Chaos Spawns?
I've always been a little iffy when it comes to them, they're scary and unpredictable so I just do my best to hit heads really

[quiet valley]

just shout

or krak

[torpid grotto]

Do big damage when they are on someone else, block and dodge when they are on you

[shadow urchin]

A tip I've found is when they do the big grab attack, to dodge into the swing and trust your iframes to get you through it. At the very least, do not dodge left following the swing, because it'll be a much higher chance you get nabbed out of your dodge. Also, when they do their crawling attack, consider blocking. I know there's a way to dodge it directionally, but I donnae know it. They have good openings on their stationary slam attacks if you dodge backwards and then hold a heavy to strike down when the attack ends.

Just remember their two-armed slam has two in a row

[mellow adder]

Is the bolt pistol any good? and if so what blessings are best with it?

[midnight totem]

alrighty

anybody up for games?

Sneaky? Azrael?

[pseudo fiber]

It is good. Deadly accurate is a staple for the damage increase and then you can try other stuff (surgical and puncture).
It's good at suppression too so you can try lethal proximity, run and gun for a fun melee focused build where you pop it out to supress enemies.

[mellow adder]

Melk has a Purple bolt pistol with Deadly Accurate IV and was wondering if it's worth it for the perk

[pseudo fiber]

oh yeah 100% get that anyway

[cerulean linden]

and IV perk you should acquire

Bolt pistol is too slow and can't one shot as good as revolver for my playstyle

[idle pecan]

You use the plasma gun because it is meta, I use the plasma gun because I love busting hot supercharged slime (gas?) all over heretics

[heavy rover]

when in doubt, can't go wrong with stacking brittleness on them

e.g. via plasma or using Recon lasgun w/ onslaught

[mellow adder]

this worth 2k for the blessing?

[heavy rover]

yes

can't go wrong with deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

Dodge to right

[quiet valley]

Boltpistol Deadly Accurate with weapon spec is unironicly good

[real osprey]

alrighty
thank you #veteran-class for the help

[tall torrent]

Brittleness is not that important unless ur weapons have horrible unyielding Adm

[quiet valley]

its actually the only use case I see for running the bolt pistol, the surgical deadly accurate blessing combo is a just a bad zarona tbh

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1252140950101430312/chaos_spawn_35s.mov?ex=66a68762&is=66a535e2&hm=69d1307b487a777d6ee1f34d2a39b77ef3f45a8ffbb0b966fba9bca9f59fbe75&

Mostly just dodge to right side

U want to loop its overhead attack as much as possible and avoid its grab

Both want u to dodge to right

The hard part is when it keeps switching targets between ur team

[pseudo fiber]

I gotta get me one of those axes lmfao

[real osprey]

this is super helpful
thanks a ton

[tall torrent]

If u bring krak on top of VoC, or if ur teammates have tools that can stagger boss (zealot chorus, ogryn rush/rock/taunt), you can kill it while it’s completely stagger-locked

[real osprey]

I don't typically bring either of those but it's good to know nonetheless
I usually can't ever tell what's going on when it comes to chaos spawns honestly

[tall torrent]

The creature spawner mod (if ur on PC) allows u to practice in meat grinder, it’s pretty handy

[real osprey]

never modded darktide before, but that does sound like a ton of fun
I'll try it yeah

[last parcel]

this should help then
https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/#/installing-mods
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/25

[tall torrent]

It’s fairly simple and the mods don’t need to get updated after every game patch to continue working which is great

[hard cave]

don't starve players fighting the most hardest boss with a regular axe

[tall torrent]

In the grim darkness of the far future humanity’s best melee weapons are a fruit knife and a hatchet

[hard cave]

phenomenal

wait until orgyn gets a mace skin that changes the pipe into some form of meat

[tall torrent]

I like the pickaxes

They’re basically the closest thing to combat axe equivalent on ogryn

[wicked epoch]

Can always just get it for the blessing and gamble for a good one at brunts

[fleet thicket]

Hey path

One thing I don't know if I can take elite damage on my infiltrate man

Specially when im running shotgun?

I probably have to give up my stamina regeneration delay

[terse idol]

You have stam regen delay on your weapon Or what do ya mean?

[umbral scaffold]

Don't give up the stamina delay

Unless you have 2, because then if you can play zealot, you can play that

[fleet thicket]

I see it's cuz

[terse idol]

It's not the worst, vet has decent stam regen delay iirc

[fleet thicket]

Path was saying I need

Elite damage

[umbral scaffold]

It has a base of uhhh 1

[terse idol]

Or was it the worst...

[fleet thicket]

For 3 shotting crushers

[umbral scaffold]

It used to be, I think, 1.5 or 1.25

They have changed it twice, that I remember

[terse idol]

For which weapoib

[fleet thicket]

Rashad

Combat axe

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

I mean if you want a consistant rashad yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Currently vet sits at 1s of delay and the two nodes give them zealot and psyker delays respectively

[terse idol]

It's worth taking out stam regen delay

Also elite damage in the tree is practically mandatory

[fleet thicket]

It's on the other side

[terse idol]

It's easier to build the rashad for a voc and focus target

Yeah

[fleet thicket]

Of infiltrate anyway

[terse idol]

Either you're gonna need to slide

Which I did

Cause I have your build

WS infil

Show ya tree

[terse idol]

Yeah give up stam regen delay

Or demolishionist

[fleet thicket]

Yeah

I guess

I guess stamina regen necessary for deadshot build ?

[tall torrent]

it helps but most guns don't need deadshot

[umbral scaffold]

Give up low profile

Normalize being the center of attention

Make every class have a taunt

[tall torrent]

he can't cuz he doesn't have demo stockpile

honestly would give up stam regen lol

rashad plays slow enough to not need it even though it's nice to have

[faint beacon]

Surprised you're not running the 2 uses on Infil either

[cobalt hollow]

what's a good bolter build?

[grand perch]

i run this for bolter. but you could always chose VoC over exec stance

[lucid hinge]

I would also grab the suppression immunity but maybe that's just me

[last parcel]

you'll have executioner's stance up most of the times that'd be relevant

[lucid hinge]

hmm should've specified my B, you should get suppression immunity if you take VoC

at least for bolter

makes them much less annoying

[cobalt hollow]

thanks

this is gonna be way better

[limber karma]

does the "always prepared" keystone work on no ammo maps?

[odd sparrow]

Yes

[limber karma]

i tried activating my range speclialist buff but i was not getting ammo

to be clear, i have to kill 10 in melee then swap to range and i should get ammo right?

oh maybe i'm reading it wrong, "missing ammo" from your "reserve"

how do veterans play on no ammo maps then

[odd sparrow]

Survivalist is the only talent that "prints" ammo

Use more ammo efficient guns like mk12 or hellbore with shock trooper, or plasma

[terse idol]

Don't need it for bolter iirc

[lucid hinge]

are you sure? bolter has some pretty bad suppression sway

[terse idol]

I might be wrong

I don't remeber hooo

[grand perch]

if youre going VoC i would recommend it yeah

[lucid hinge]

the only weapons I can think of that Don't need it are like

[terse idol]

I swear I didn't run it with supression res

[lucid hinge]

braced weapons

maybe las pistols idk I don't use em

[grand perch]

shredder, plasma, laspistol, braced guns, arguably recons. they dont really care about suppression

oh, and shotguns

[thorn lark]

bolter really like determined

unless you're doing exec stance

[faint beacon]

I recall its basically masochistic to not run Determined on Bolter cause when you're being suppressed it makes it borderline impossible to aim with

[mellow adder]

Can it be salvaged?

[shadow aurora]

Nope its bricked

Keep it on the backburner till rework ig

Although im not too fond of the base

[tall torrent]

Recon cares about suppression

[grand perch]

it doesnt seem to affect hipfire?

[elder fiber]

recon is affected by suppression but it doesn't feel as drastic as like boltgun or ilas

[tidal vine]

i have sunder and PC 4, do i change both blessings to those or get flak?

[odd sparrow]

Id change supercharge to PC4.

Then infested to maniac or wrath to brutal momentum/sunder

Check maniac breakpoints in meat grinder to see what seems more worth

[thick wolf]

how fucked is this shock maul? I've been using it for a while

because it was surprisingly usable so far

[placid portal]

Damn shock maul has some intriguing blessings

[thick wolf]

lightning reflexes is surprisingly useful against ragers long as you block just before they attack

dunno how opportunist works on it though

[odd sparrow]

Stun would imply a heavy stagger so seems like itd be a funny combo

[thick wolf]

ragers practically freeze when you time your block against their attack

much in the same way you freeze a crusher with the special attack

which is sad to say, it replaces the long-standing shovel in my guardsman lasgun build

that only because I have so many substandard shovels and I can't be assed to build another one until itemization comes out

[sharp cloak]

No one uses the braced autoguns?

I like the Graia MK IV. Perfect IAR for veteran.

[thick wolf]

I don't like braced autoguns because you can't aim with them

[sharp cloak]

10% DMG to elites and 25% DMG to carapace enemies aint cutting it.

Its the crushers or whatever they are called dont want to look it up.

You will end up shooting about 75% of your ammo on it if you are still alive.

[austere mica]

That’s because most guns have really bad Carapace armor damage

[sharp cloak]

Not talking about mag. I mean all of your ammo.

[austere mica]

The 25% damage is only adding like 4-6 damage per bullet

Switch it to something more useful like Flak and use your melee on them

[grand perch]

i enjoy braced autoguns in lights out, ventilation purge and pox gas missions. and always use them in combination with smoke grenades, dont need accuracy when enemies come to you

[sharp cloak]

Im getting there. Trying to get one with good blessings. This is what Im now using for Graia MK IV. Not bad actually I like using it just cus its rate of fire.

[austere mica]

Drop terrifying barrage

It’s one of the worst blessings in the game across all weapons

[grand perch]

yeh its horrible

[austere mica]

It isn’t even useful in a niche, because anything you actually want to suppress is further than 8 meters and anything inside you can just stab

[grand perch]

you want deathspitter and fire frenzy, or maybe stripped down if thats your fancy or your build gets stamina on dodges

[austere mica]

I don’t actually know what could be worse off the top of my head

[grand perch]

falter

[austere mica]

Well that does something

Like

At all

It can even be considered potentially useful in some weird cases

[thick wolf]

how usable is my cursed indignatus shock maul

[austere mica]

It’s a 1/4 base so it’s pretty iffy but drop Opportunist for High Voltage and crit damage for Flak or something

Idk perks are really down to preference on melee’s

[thick wolf]

I don't know what opportunist really does to the shock maul

but so far this thing has saved my ass a couple of times

[lusty sapphire]

I'm so done with this shit. Apparently if the stupid ass matchmaking places you in a game that's been completed more than half you don't get progression towards this contract

Fuck you fatshark. Genuinely

I wondered why it seemed to take so long. Well no fucking wonder since I only do quickplays and most of those drop you into ongoing mathces

[odd sparrow]

Thats dumb wow

[pastel yew]

but what if people join a game right as it ends!! they'd get 1 progression for free! that'd be ludicrous

I assume its to stop certain time based penances from applying if you join right at the end but

idk

it is silly

[lusty sapphire]

Melk has garbage 90% of the time anyways. Who cares for contracts free progression. I just got mad cause I thought 8 game, easy money

And yet

Literally robbed

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I agree you should get it

its so meaningless to add but the time frustration is big

8 missions is a lot for the reward you get too

like literally the one beneath that is collect 200 Diamantine

which you will do in like 1-2 missions or whatever

the plasteel one is fucking +600 melk coins and you're gonna do that in 1-2 as well...

then theres complete 8 missions +300... complete 6 missions with no deaths (effectively like 500 missions with auric randos) +2 melk coins

[thick wolf]

or everyone's favorite

scriptures and grimoires lol

[pastel yew]

I wouldnt mind scrips n grims if they were in every game

I like grim missions but people can get really pissy about them

[dreamy spade]

Fr

[lyric dock]

Made slightly more annoying with the grim Pen

I don't mind grims, but I always tend to follow the "Ask the group before you pick it up"

[zenith helm]

thoughts?

[thorn lark]

Nope...

[cerulean void]

not bad not great, there's better blessing combos

don't know what the OG blessings were but locking in 2 stam might not have been the best?

[thorn lark]

1 important bad modifier, 1 bad perk and I am pretty sure precog is better on zealot

[cerulean void]

also that low damage hurts

if you don't have any other knife, it's workable but it's no room cleaner

[cerulean void]

I wish they would be, but the biggest thing of grims is that not only do you get a fat splat for touching them, but they also add more corruption very quickly once you pick them up.

Just by touching two of them, disregarding any time between them, that's a little over a full wound's worth of corruption
and when a LOT of people don't run a wound curio, that's a very fine line on a LOT of runs that we suddenly need to dance around

[pastel yew]

tbf you have to be quite slow usually to lose a full wound to the toughness damage

accounting for heals n such too

though it definitely puts some time pressure on you

Honestly I wouldnt mind just being at one wound if it didnt greyscale everything, its such an annoying filter

[zenith helm]

i guess ill brick it ty

[thick wolf]

is ghost blessing worth for infantry lasguns

[thick wolf]

the greyscale is at least way less annoying than how L4D does it

[zenith helm]

What blessings and perks would I want on a knife veteran?

[cerulean void]

debatably, depends on your build

[lusty sapphire]

It's a bad way to challenge yourself

[pastel yew]

I think they're fun

the books look cool

gotta get them penances too

[lusty sapphire]

You just build a bit of hp and keep toughness up and they're useless

[lusty sapphire]

They do

[pastel yew]

looking cool is all that matters

[cerulean void]

what's cooler than being cool?

[last parcel]

slipping ice cubes up your ass

[lusty sapphire]

[grave cargo]

Vermintide grims were perfect. There’s too many modifiers now. I would consider running corruption resistance if it also affected grims. But it certainly doesn’t so, idk

[lyric dock]

Grim resistance is own thing

[grave cargo]

Yes that’s what I said

Does Bomber res actually do anything now or is that modifier still basically dead weight

[lyric dock]

[grave cargo]

Because before all it did was give you damage resistance from their kicks lol

[lyric dock]

I never really run bomber resistance unless it was just the locked in perk of a curio

[grave cargo]

Well yeah it does as much as +6%exp on a level 30

I would argue exp is better because of the True Level mod, even

[heavy rover]

I'd replace opportunist with high voltage and melee crit with elite damage. It'd be pretty well rounded with good defensive options against ragers. Pretty solid imo

[drowsy leaf]

100 iron helm rolls, no man stopper. fat shark pls

[radiant chasm]

Are you on a level 30 character?

Cause then you are practically guaranteed not to get it from crafting

The only sources that generate a t2 reliably at level 30 is brunt’s hourly shop and big e gifts

You have to make a fresh pre 30 character and upgrade ironhelms as soon as you unlock them

And i forgot the unlock levels cause they vary between the 3 classes

[thick wolf]

yo this mg 12 is bricked lmao

hopelessly karked

[stuck solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[last parcel]

if you’re throwing plasteel at it, your best bet is a level 19 psyker since it’s a tier 2 blessing and psyker gets double barrel earliest
otherwise just camp the armory

[shadow aurora]

At least it has ghost ig

[scarlet path]

Me still with my all wound curios from 2022

[scarlet path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNMlHCHsKOc

[terse idol]

I mean, just replace infested with flak, efficiency with Surgical

Not ze best

Or well head hunter I guess

[thick wolf]

yeah and I just got lucky with the base stats too

[terse idol]

72% SP just ain't thaat good

Waaaa!

But yeah

It's alright

[thick wolf]

its that or I wait for itemization lmao

which we all know could be five years away

amazing stability stat

[terse idol]

End of summer

[thick wolf]

ik, but it still feels like five years away

[hollow ibex]

they didn't say which year

[idle swallow]

https://youtu.be/oO852i_QMWw?si=VRlcp73Ugs0lsDMq

[ashen hollow]

Levelling this class after mostly playing zealot and ogryn and oh my god

i love the helborne lasgun its so much fun

[slow spade]

Helbore with a team that covers you

fun times c:

[chrome pelican]

Blunderbuss

[tame lodge]

Like the founding primarchs intended

[thick wolf]

probably not one of the best combos to deal with a rager

[pseudo fiber]

speakin of shockmauls

[twin ingot]

nice one, Id recommend the stun on block blessing instead of dmg to electrocuted then you become the bane of Ragers

[thick wolf]

my shock maul has stun on block and dmg to electrocuted

even then I'm not so sure about the combo in that footage

[ashen hollow]

Love how powerfull the bayonett feels on it too btw

its great

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/banzai-banzai-charge-we-gonna-beat-you-to-death-meme-beat-gif-21690527

[thick wolf]

but yeah, are there better attack combos to deal against ragers with shock maul

[warm swallow]

What is the use of stealth vet

Isn’t stealth zealot just way better

[idle pecan]

how can i delete bosses with the ciagv

[twilit breach]

what blessings are good on bolt pistol

[slow spade]

longer duration

and Vet > Zealot

unbiased source btw (lvl 530 Vet)

[coral willow]

define better btw

[crimson pebble]

Vet stealth has a lot more utility zealot stealth is mainly dmg focused imo

[somber axle]

Two different playstyles tbh

Stealth Zealot sets them up to instagib something coming out of stealth
Stealth Vet is mainly a repositioning tool

Vet Stealth is really, really good though

Much longer duration + Low Profile means you can pull off rescues very safely

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1262793381310890115/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.15_-_23.25.42.01.mp4?ex=66a7b57b&is=66a663fb&hm=597d801aa9ae19536ef49ba02936e0c5ace3cb20636492f1c6a12606e13a5b7a&

[somber axle]

The longer duration gives you more leeway for finding a better position to re-engage from

You can also underhand drop grenades during Vet stealth without breaking it

[warm swallow]

I see

[sand oracle]

Stealth vet is basically the best support character in the game because the way their stealth works is super conducive to clutch rescues and revives.