veteran-class

[iron marten]

hi Keith

[thorn lark]

hihi

i wish my drop were good

[iron marten]

I could probably use it as a trophy piece, cause I already have this haha

[thorn lark]

but i never look at them tbh

[thorn lark]

god damn

[fleet thicket]

GUYS

is this good?

how important is surgical 4?

[thorn lark]

not at all?

do you need flak on a mk3?

is there a breakpoint?

[fleet thicket]

unfortunetly no

but

it one taps everything...

[fleet thicket]

i just had it for whatver

thing is

it one taps evertyhing

it even crit headshot one shot

crushers

[thorn lark]

welll

[fleet thicket]

i think at this point im just gonna put either elite

or unyielding

[thorn lark]

looks like you need sprint efficiency

[fleet thicket]

[thorn lark]

to charge faster

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-8197900

[tame lodge]

Hate to break it for you but the Mk3 doesn't have bayonet charge

It does have good cleave though

[hard cave]

theres a bayonet charge mechanic???

How many fuckibg mechanics do these weapons have bro

darktide coming in with a labor of loved, pissed on my publishers wanting money through mtxs

[idle pecan]

is good?

[radiant chasm]

Low pen and low cc stat (attack speed) hurts

I’d say swap hammerblow to the timed block blessing

[idle pecan]

is it better than this?

[radiant chasm]

HV is good but the perks kinda bleh, the 2nd one can be made better

Swap thrust for your scrusher 3 you can peel off and swap block efficiency off

[heavy rover]

you can make use of the block efficiency for the 2nd one by swapping thrust for lighting reflex

[radiant chasm]

Sadly smaul doesn’t use thrust well it leans into repeated hits hard

[heavy rover]

plus high voltage can build upon using lighting reflex

[radiant chasm]

No need

You don’t need block eff at all for LR, it’s whatever you block in the first second, and you can always cancel and re enter block, letting you counter rager packs

As for high voltage interaction, any of your normal swings that have the electric vfx/sfx will apply a 0 damage shock debuff

[heavy rover]

interesting, so would it be better to, for example, harvest skullcrusher on the first one, then apply it on the 2nd one?

[radiant chasm]

Yee

Unless you have lightning reflexes already

Imo lightning reflexes is the best blessing because it’s both utility and power

And strong utility as well

[idle pecan]

just want something insane for crowd clear using it

it looks cool

funny taser mace

[radiant chasm]

If you want raw horde clear and don’t care about wanting to use LR, go HV+SC

Tho i would simply time block a single poxwalker i know that isn’t everyone’s cup of tea

[idle pecan]

i need absolute minimum brain usage

also, for a ciagv and rashad build, is this fine?

[radiant chasm]

i wouldn't skip a keystone

you are right next to focus target and weapon spec

[tame lodge]

Guess you can drop that 10% melee boost

[hard cave]

finally 100% vet penances,,,,

what do I do now as a vet,,,

[inland orchid]

what you've always done, be the best vet your squad can ask for

that or go penance hunting on another operator, either or

[hard cave]

i,,,don't think a knife vet is the best for the squad

[inland orchid]

No matter the build, you have a aura that benefits ur team regardless of loadout

so dont feel too bad

all 3 are handy in their own aspects

[hard cave]

true

whats the

meta curios for auric maelstrom damnation

is it just health

[inland orchid]

all depends on what u feel u need imo, not much use multi wounding up curio wise if u arent planning on falling down often

i rock double hp and a wound on mine

[heavy rover]

i use 1 wound, and the rest go to toughness. I like to maximize iron will when I can

[inland orchid]

very cool use of iron will

[hollow ibex]

usually i do 2 tough and 1 stam

don't need wounds

[last parcel]

prnt scrn

[odd sparrow]

I go 3 toughness my faith is my shield

[hard cave]

here's what im rocking atm

[heavy rover]

looks good to me, do you also have iron will?

[odd sparrow]

2x flamer resist is pretty 😵

[fleet thicket]

Combat

Plasma gun

Shout wirh over heal and ammo regen aura

[hard cave]

Which one is iron will?

OH

yeah I have iron will lmao

[heavy rover]

I think you'll be fine then. At this rate for auric maelstrom damnation it's more like tuning your build until it works with what you want

[hard cave]

It is ngl

[scarlet path]

Who is ready to see every single vet rocking the Scion Helm and the trenchcoat flak vest

(its me im going to be wearing it)

[hard cave]

I want to see moebian 21st vets running around, instead I keep seeing krieg vets who die in the first 5 minutes

[scarlet path]

My Ogryn has a Moebian fit, wearing that new german looking helm from Hestia's Blessings

[faint beacon]

Reminding me I actually have to grind out Max Health and Toughness Curios sometime just cause I only have like 2 20% HP and all my Toughness ones are 16%

[hard cave]

beloved

[hard cave]

crying

[faint beacon]

That’s literally what mine is

Loyalist 6th + Spiked Helm

Winter Camo variant

[hard cave]

the moebian 21st drip and name to boot

[faint beacon]

I’ve seen you once

I saw “Moebian-Veteran” in the mourningstar and just went “I respect they’re sticking to the larp of the 21st outfit”

[hard cave]

lol

[faint beacon]

99% of the time I’m using the Tox-Pattern Steel Legion set

That or it’s the Loyalist 6th

[hard cave]

Tox is the brown variation right

[faint beacon]

Yes

[hard cave]

ive seen so many steel legion and krieg vets lmao

[faint beacon]

I see them once in a blue moon

Though Tbf I am that Steel Legion Vet

[hard cave]

and like 1 21st vet but they're using the entire fit, including the backpack

[scarlet path]

If you look very closely you'll see the moebian skull on his pickaxe

[hard cave]

id say swap the pants for black with boots because high waters are painful but 21st orgyn my beloved

[faint beacon]

Loyalist 6th can really only use like 2 helms that look good

Its actual full set, or the recovered flak helm

[scarlet path]

I thought it was 21st

isnt like ALL of the 6th turned traitor

[hard cave]

yeah, or dead

per the lore

21st is a different regiment that got pulled in by inquistion as they were making a supply run at atoma

[hard cave]

yeah,,,

I really hope they add more 6th cosmetics

or just more moebian color scheme stuff

[scarlet path]

I saw a veteren earlier wearing the full Moebian fit with the flakhelm/rebreather combo helmet from Hestia

I unlock that helmet soon

[hard cave]

that sounds like ftp,,,

[scarlet path]

I will have the moebian drip

[hard cave]

The helm + rebreather isn't in base game yet

[broken terrace]

is there a place I can find basic builds for vet, like the ogrynomicon has for ogryn?

[scarlet path]

Yes it is

[hard cave]

are you talking about the 6th or the 21st version

[scarlet path]

its straight called "Moebian pattern flak helm" or smth

[last parcel]

not yet. the guide in the pins will have it whenever it gets updated though

[somber axle]

I am here

[scarlet path]

^^^^^^

[last parcel]

hello trailer

oh no chaos spawn

[hard cave]

hello brother

[hard cave]

OH mb

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-now-there-are-two-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-gif-11488909

[scarlet path]

ATOMAN PATTERN

thats it

[hard cave]

I wish we got the moebian leggings but not with the weird boots

it hurts my eyes

[scarlet path]

No backpack?

[hard cave]

I don't like how most backpacks look on the pm

[scarlet path]

understandable

[hard cave]

might buy the blue one from the ordo store though since it actually looks good on the fit

[scarlet path]

I love the progenium backpack with my cadian fit rn

[hard cave]

not to my knowledge

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

[hard cave]

the original 4 my beloved

[somber axle]

Chainsword Vet is my spirit animal

[hard cave]

I remember, b4 they added a lot of cosmetics, this was the closest I could get to the moebian look

[broken terrace]

anyone have any recommendations for damnation+ vet builds then? I have hundreds of hours of playing maelstrom only on ogryn but I wanna switch over to other classes for variety. Only ever played vet to level it up to 30

[plain escarp]

a buy?

[hard cave]

Ik there's a recon crit biild somewhere on Google that's solid

[clear lantern]

Bolt Pistol is so goofy; using the melee bash and then firing it immediately so the dude gets pistol whiped before their torso explodes is funny shit

[faint beacon]

Honestly it’s clicked to me how little I’ll see people cosplaying the 21st, the loyalist 6th are rare just cause it’s a penance completion reward

I’d say the most common I’ll see is Cadians

[broken terrace]

what are the most versatile melee weapons on vet?

[wise jackal]

Powerswerd

[shadow urchin]

I wonder what would happen if they had the powersword build peril like the plasma gun does.

[broken terrace]

are combat axes still any good?

[midnight totem]

always have been

[hard cave]

cadians or inquistor vets

or steel legion

I keep running into steels and kriegs

[faint beacon]

I don’t see Steel Legion or Krieg as much as I see Inquisition or Cadians

[hard cave]

theyre everywhere on malice man,,,,

[faint beacon]

That’s your issue it’s Malice

Auric Damnation I’ll see like

1 or 2

Every week

[hard cave]

well rn im farming the

15 downless missions in a row

[tall torrent]

it's not
u get helmet without mask & mask without helmet
but not both at same time

[hard cave]

it boggles my mind how people can go down constantly on malice

whilst being level 30

[hard cave]

he was referring to the 21st version

not the 6th

the fabled promo screen vet helm

atoma something

[thin stone]

Dayum

[faint beacon]

The state of malice players as I say

[thin stone]

Lmao

[faint beacon]

When you get adjusted and used to Damnation and Auric

You barely ever go down at all/if ever on heresy under

[hard cave]

the thing is I don't even play auric or damnation

Ive just been playing malice to get the kark and weapon assassin penance done

while prepping for auric damnation but holy shit

how do they go down lmao

its like 0 spacial awareness

[frank ether]

takes some real effort outside of disablers and getting isekai'd by a barrel

[tall torrent]

high skill floor game be like that

[frank ether]

like %99 of players are casuals as is with any game

even more so in a pve game

dont think expecting skilled players is reasonable in a game where you have the auric difficulty and then you have the tutorial difficulty

[hard cave]

my heart goes out to the krieg vet who dies twice before the first level transition

[frank ether]

I think part of it is average fps gamer is kind of

alien? to some of this games concepts

[tall torrent]

they were merely lore accurate

[frank ether]

like dodging, blocking, positioning and what have you

[hard cave]

krieg moment

[tall torrent]

stamina is a big one

[frank ether]

that too

and the fact that you can kinda kite enemies around if you really wanted to

[hard cave]

Id say a lot of the game's community comes from co-op shooters similar to l4d2 and deep rock

[frank ether]

you dont have to face every horde head on

[hard cave]

I feel a large proportion of it is just having shit gear lmao

[frank ether]

Idk l4d and deep rock are cool games

but

[slow spade]

Krieg vet with hellbore + shovel? I know its going to be a rough match

[frank ether]

they are incredibly casual

especially for today standards

there is little skill ceiling in them besides

shoot the bad

stick together

yada yadda

oh and you can build a bunker as engineer in deep rock, wowee, such skill, much ceiling

[tall torrent]

it's driller

engineer bunker takes a bit more effort

[frank ether]

you use engineer platforms for it

[tall torrent]

no, pure engineer platform made bunker is quite a bit harder than a driller bunker

[frank ether]

it works better in my experience

[hard cave]

Id say deep rock takes some skill when it comes to high tier levels

similar to any other game tho

but most casual players of deep rock don't do deep dive missions

[frank ether]

I did a few

thought of it as rather boring

its cool with friends

[tall torrent]

EDD is the hard endgame

[frank ether]

I wouldnt play it with randos

[tall torrent]

regular DD is just chill

[frank ether]

and if its not a game I wouldnt play with randos its not an interesting game period

thats kinda my own rulebook because I can't be honest to myself about what I like/dislike

so I use that scale system of ''do I really play this when I'm by myself''

[tall torrent]

the problem is that u can't join an ongoing deep dive

it has to be start to finish

only way u can join ongoing is if u were there at the start

[grand perch]

its not called shallow dive after all

[hard cave]

i

I don't play a lot of deeprock,,,

I just know its cool w friends and the progression is neat,,,

[grave cargo]

This is probably worth the loss in crit damage right?

The biggest hit is it goes from a 20% crit chance to 15.6%

[midnight totem]

depends on what the blessings are like

[faint beacon]

My stamina being instantly deleted by the three ragers that manifested

[midnight totem]

justdodge

[faint beacon]

The just dodge crowd when they continue chasing you keeping both your stamina and dodge in the negatives

[grave cargo]

Garbage

[faint beacon]

Look that’s seriously my only issue with the Dreg Ragers is the insane chase and stamina depletion they have, other than that they don’t really bother me

[grave cargo]

Can replace point blank with hand cannon but lose on maniac damage

[frank ether]

there was a time where I would consider that ideal roll

rending blessings are too busted these days though

[faint beacon]

The rending monopoly

[terse idol]

no da

[grave cargo]

surgical hand cannon is goated with the sauce

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

da on zarona?

[terse idol]

I mean you can survive with only survival da

[last parcel]

da nuts in ya mouth

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean

[last parcel]

what do you mean

[terse idol]

Woops

Me as I forget

[frank ether]

there is no da on zarona

[terse idol]

Handcannon

[last parcel]

[frank ether]

lmao

[terse idol]

Yes there is never not a situation where you don't run handcannon

[frank ether]

Its a good thing it doesnt have da

[hard cave]

quick draw revolver is so fun on weapon specialist

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

DA is the blessing that becomes must have on any gun its available

its terrible

[grave cargo]

Sorry which one is DA

[hard cave]

whats da

[last parcel]

dis anus

[grave cargo]

Does Rending apply to Maniacs

Ragers specifically

[terse idol]

Deadly accurate

[grave cargo]

Without that bonus vs even a crit doesn't 1 tap a rager, so unless handcannon will do that this thing is borked

[hard cave]

what does deadly accurate do again

[grave cargo]

Right

[terse idol]

Gives bonus critical weak point damage

[last parcel]

yes

[hard cave]

qwq

[grave cargo]

Anyways this thing misses unarmored ragers by like 150 damage

[analog mural]

Rending applies to everything except infested and unarmored

[grave cargo]

Let me see what happens if I slap handcannon on it

[hard cave]

do weapons have a natural crit rating

[midnight totem]

no

[last parcel]

what do you mean by crit rating

[hard cave]

damn so you have to build for crit

[midnight totem]

well, more like

"not really"

[terse idol]

It's like 5%

It's not 0

I can say that much

You will crit eventually

[midnight totem]

most weapons have at least 5 percent base

[terse idol]

But you'll crit more if you build for it

[midnight totem]

knives have higher, I think

[last parcel]

5% is vet's base crit and some weapons have a bonus (knife, tacaxe, maybe something else idk)

[hard cave]

like a recon lasgun having a default crit rating of 5% without any modifiers from the weapon it's self or perks

[grave cargo]

YOU have a 5% base, weapons don't have base crit chance unless they have a stat that gives them crit chance

[hard cave]

oki i see now

[grave cargo]

Anyways with handcannon it BARELY 1 taps maniac ragers

So, guess this'll do, pig

[last parcel]

oink oink

[hard cave]

how the hell do i build this

[last parcel]

add ghost and flak/maniac or whatever

[faint beacon]

Ghost or Infernus iirc

Seeing it has Crit chance

[frank ether]

those are maniac, unarmored doesn't help you there

whoops

forgor to quote

[tame lodge]

It's time to d-d-d-duel

[faint beacon]

I swear to god Backup this replacer just makes me upset everytime I see it without fail

[pastel yew]

nothing to do with stats

some weapons just have higher crit

like the laspistol

same with like

weird hidden finesse bonus

which I think the laspistol also has?

[scarlet path]

My dude

[pastel yew]

looks way better without the dumb goofy helmet

[scarlet path]

Tbh i just run my Moebian vet fit with the Armageddon Pot Helm cause the metal is the same color

[hard cave]

miscommunication because there's the penance moebian 6th helm, they were referring to that

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[grand perch]

bullets of the hh autoguns must be some wide bois for that to be a headshot

[thick kestrel]

was that the mk9? because it gets some funky spread off the crossair when you're moving ^^

[grand perch]

youre quite right, it is

[thick kestrel]

yeah, main reason I have trouble getting on with the III and the IX is because I can't stop myself moving to take the steady shots.

the mk7 is much smoother for that kind of play thankfully

[faint beacon]

It probably got hit with its ungodly spread cause I’ve had plenty of moments where a headshot wasn’t a headshot with the Agri IX

[lusty sapphire]

Why do y'all insist with infernus when dumdum is objectively better

[last parcel]

they have dumdum on it already

[faint beacon]

It’s up to if they want even more damage (inf) or avoid being shot

Which would be ghost

[lusty sapphire]

I mean instead of ghost my b. But still. The laspistol is really not an infernus gun

If you crit you'll just straight up kill them too fast to make use of the dmg ticks

[lean bloom]

Which is the best revolver?

[lusty sapphire]

Two different uses for the revolvers

One is closer range burst dmg on big hp targets the other one is a sniper gun in disguse

[grand perch]

(and the agrip revolver is shieeeet come at me bro)

[lusty sapphire]

Gimmicky but not shit

[faint beacon]

The other is the sole reason I get upset (I despise how overtuned the Zarona is)

[lusty sapphire]

Not having pen sucks

[lean bloom]

So Zarona es better?

[faint beacon]

Zarona is literally the best gun in the game

[lusty sapphire]

In most cases yeah

[grand perch]

apples and pears but yeah

[lean bloom]

Good thanks

[grand perch]

zarona - plasma - columnus IAG

[faint beacon]

I’m still upset it has a Cleave of 6

[grand perch]

those are the holy trinity of OP weapons

[grave cargo]

That's a stat tho

It's a hidden stat intrinsic to the weapon, but it is a weapon stat applied to it, same as their base damage, base headshot bonus, base falloff etc

Most weapons have a base crit chance stat of 0, all characters have a base crit chance stat of 5% you can boost with some perk points

[hard cave]

I can't stop drooling from looking at this

numbers hit my dopamine brain

[tame lodge]

It can go up to 8 at max stacks of Trickshooter 💀

[faint beacon]

The Zarona?

Or Agri

[tame lodge]

The Zarona

[faint beacon]

Debuff stackers keep winning

[faint beacon]

That only makes me hate it even more

[tame lodge]

Lmfao

[faint beacon]

Guys it’s NOT overpowered

Cleaves through 8 targets

[pastel yew]

I had assumed from your wording you meant visible stat, because if not then literally all weapons have a crit stat... its just not raised for a lot of the weapons

also I really am not still buying that the zarona is as good as the plasmagun

like its just objectively worse

with the exception of crushers and boss damage with some builds

zarona only veers into op with weapon specialist, and EVEN THEN its still worse than the plasmagun by a fair amount

+plasma gun doesn't have required blessings which mean you can take other powerful things

glory hunter is giga

[pastel yew]

so though?

it's limited by shit reload speed, and low base ammo before needing to reload

those things keep it in check

its damage and everything is A okay

it's just when weapon specialist comes along and removes its main weakness, then also boosts its main strength with guaranteed crits it gets sent into the stratosphere

[hearty panther]

shut up shut up shut up

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-gif-24881642

[hearty panther]

lmao

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-get-real-bura-nya-gif-26843847

[hearty panther]

i wanted to find the gif but loading them up would fuck my phone

[pastel yew]

yeah gif search on mobiles a bit fried

[hearty panther]

from the office

[pastel yew]

which one?

[broken terrace]

how do you build a plasma gun anyways?

[pastel yew]

peaked damage stats, +10% elite on perk and then the talents dont matter

or the blessings rather

I think glory hunter is probably the one I'd prioritise though

most of what actually matters beyond that is your skill tree, you need certain things to make breakpoints

you need either ping, or marksmans focus (if you dont like spamming ping)

[faint beacon]

The voices are so loud right now but I’m not giving in

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

give in

when would strange voices in your head ever lead you astray

[hearty panther]

plasma took a bit of a hit

also i cant show the gif cause again giphy sucks lmao

also i dont really watch the office so idk character names other than jim michael and dwight

[pastel yew]

I mean the hit it took is now you have to use ping to reach a few beakpoints you could before with longshot

but the flip side is well... now you don't need to take longshot

and can be just as effective by using your keystone or taking mf instead if you're like me and hate spam pinging everything

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-gif-24390027

[tall torrent]

U can actually make it still hit breakpoints

Without focus target

Or MF

The downside is that u need both 5% ranged Dmg nodes and fire team

Which is a pretty cursed set-up

[pastel yew]

yeah I'm not massive on that honestly

[tall torrent]

It’s just better to go FT 99% the time

[pastel yew]

mhm

[hearty panther]

how the fuck does my roommate go through two rolls of tp every day

is she eating it

[pastel yew]

also if you go survivalist you already get both +5% anyway, then the bonus damage from fts add on will have you topped up for 10? seconds

I cant remember the length

[hearty panther]

this is unconscionable

[tall torrent]

Yea 10s + tag

It’s basically always up

Because u also have stuff like FTE & CQKZ to boost it when you’re somehow not tagging & don’t have RF up at the same time

[pastel yew]

but yeah I'm guessing next patch weapon specialist gets nerfed and

the plasma gun is untouched

again

[tall torrent]

Plasma just needs cleave nerf on uncharged shots

Then maybe reduce ammo cost for charged shots

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean, there needs to be a reason to use the charged shots

either they need to use less ammo, or do more damage and charge faster

[tall torrent]

Also remove auto-vent at 100% heat for uncharged

Or, make the auto-vent hurt

Either works

[pastel yew]

this I like

more than just disabling it

means you can play around it

and decide whether its worth taking damage

or playing slower

[tall torrent]

Either make auto-vent turbo hurt your toughness, or straight up health dmg

[pastel yew]

I dont really think the health damage it was doing previously

[hearty panther]

health damage pls

[pastel yew]

was all that bad tbh

I think people just hated it conceptually

and likely would again

[tall torrent]

I lean towards hurting toughness a lot more

[hearty panther]

plasma had many other more important issues than health damage venting originally

namely forearm cucking

[last parcel]

plasma is heavy so it should drain stamina while it's out

[pastel yew]

plasma gun is hot

it should make the skin of vets that use it bright red and burnt and ugly

[last parcel]

every 2 minutes of plasma use i have change my pants

[pastel yew]

nerf their drip

[tall torrent]

U can’t nerf this fit

[pastel yew]

so true, so real

[last parcel]

licks your neck

[pastel yew]

dope unbiform

honestly I kinda hate like

all of the vet helmets though

[tall torrent]

I’d rather not have a neck guard when 90% neck guards clip through veteran uniform collars

[pastel yew]

when we getting these

[tall torrent]

I want Tanith 1st & only and Tempestus Scion

[pastel yew]

oooooh tempestus scion would be cool but

only because I want a proper hot shot las

the gear I dont care for too much

I do hope when playstation port is done and we start getting new content theres a focus on weapons as

most weapon releases are just the same weapon with slightly different properties

no shields for humies, no dual wielding, loads of iconic weapons still missing

[tall torrent]

They have pretty great drip

At least I think the scion helm looks a little better than the kasrkin helm

[pastel yew]

some like hive ganger shit like on necromunda would be dope

fitting with us being rejects n all that

[heavy rover]

I told myself I wouldn't be buying anything else besides the Magistratum set. But damn... that fit goes hard

for better or for worse, the scion helmet is now available again

[tall torrent]

I still think it’s rly funny that Atoma prime is not one of the available player character origins

[pastel yew]

yeah I think its so like.. the setting can be somewhat mysterious to our characters

so everything can be explained

[terse idol]

We kiiinda got it

Without the helmet

[pastel yew]

its like how every "in another world" thing has the protag be clueless so exposition can be dumped on the audience

[terse idol]

Or well, with the mobian 21st version

Helmet

[pastel yew]

the mobian 21st set is good

I really like the rebreather

I use that a lot

I do find it a little odd that the zealot gets the hooded verison though I'm not complaining, looks better without the hood anyway

[tall torrent]

Except in DT the player characters know way more than they should

[pastel yew]

yeah though that I can forgive a little bit as it intros people to the setting

sorta whatever for the psykers

[tall torrent]

The fact that all 3 veteran personalities are canonically multi-campaign seasoned soldiers who’ve fought basically everything except Necrons

And loose cannon also knows about grey knights

[pastel yew]

I guess with them being inquisition they will be a bit more clued in, and its a lot harder for them to really show like.. misinformation and propaganda without confusing newer players who will just think its true

[pastel yew]

okay that ones a little

weird

as from what I understand if you meet the grey knights win or lose you're getting body bagged

[tall torrent]

All 3 veterans have fought against daemonic incursions at some point

They just don’t know that much about the warp (which is understandable)

[tall torrent]

They know way too much even for inquisition assets

[hard cave]

vet mains

what is the consensus for vet knife mains

[tall torrent]

Very strong, but not for everyone

[hard cave]

I see,,,

ive been using knife with weapon specialist and I feel awesomr

also the fact that I'm not eating up awesome is a plus

[winged warren]

How would you guys feel if voc (yellow toughness part)
Got changed to:
Last 5 seconds.
Non replenishable.
Non stackable

[pastel yew]

every knife vet I've met has been toxic

every single one...

all 3 of them so small sample size but still

[hard cave]

im not toxic,,,,

[faint beacon]

They’re diet Zealot mains

[pastel yew]

not met you in game yet

[pastel yew]

honestly I think voc is fine

its strong as hell

but like.. if people want an ability to carry them then whatever

[faint beacon]

Or well Knife Zealot I should say so automatically miserable

[pastel yew]

there is no strength level at which voc would be fun anyway, and it doesnt affect my play experience so idc

[hard cave]

voc is nice

[faint beacon]

Personally I think they should rework VOCs nodes to let you change up how you can use it but also nerf it’s CD cause it’s really damn short, that’s my take as a Vet main

[hard cave]

I forget I have voc half the time until someone gets down lmao

[last parcel]

voc stays the same but you get spit roasted every time you activate it

[pastel yew]

sounds interesting

what would you want the nodes to be?

it'd be cool if one of the nodes removed its like.. team shield

[faint beacon]

Automatically I think there needs to be an Offensive and Defensive path right

[pastel yew]

kinda like how psyker shield can either be walls that stun, or dome that gives toughness

[faint beacon]

Obviously one gets locked if you choose the other

[pastel yew]

yeah, something like a fire speed/accuracy buff

[faint beacon]

Example Current Golden Toughness is the defensive path while let’s say

Offensive

[pastel yew]

if it did that I'd probably actually take it as, just pressing a button to get only toughness is pretty dead

[faint beacon]

Debuffs enemies you stagger with shout and buffs nearby teammates in coherency

I’m simply spitballing

But that’s a basic idea of what it should try to shoot for

Defensive should solely be to keep you and your team alive whilst offensive should heavily buff your teams ability to deal with hordes or deal damage at the cost of not getting toughness

Personally if it was like this I’d say make the toughness one have a longer CD shit is automatically stronger

Superiority talent

Right

[hard cave]

Theres also nodes that already buff ability use with teammates in coherency

[faint beacon]

I can’t recall its name but I know exactly what you mean

They’d have to hit it with a Survivalist nerf or shorten its CD reduction on time massively

[idle swallow]

take the CD increase from revive shout and put it onto the overtoughness node

[frank ether]

games idea of difficulty is sending like 40 hounds at you so at some point I thought someone would add 2 and 2 together on this

[tall torrent]

the problem is that it'll still be spammed

[frank ether]

you have like one fun ultimate and you're working overtime on how to make that one dogshit too

just nuke the CDR passive and be done with it

[tall torrent]

tac awareness needs to be nerfed

[last parcel]

what if tactical awareness was tactical freakiness and you sucked toes on specialist kill

[hard cave]

keep going

[hard cave]

to be fair

I die on damnation maelstrom :(

[faint beacon]

To be fair that’s the hardest difficulty in the game

I genuinely don’t care what people run on that difficulty

[lucid hinge]

The only modifier you need to give a thought about what you are running is monstrous specials and like no ammo pick ups

The rest is just normal auric with some spice

[faint beacon]

Unless you’re a loner knife zealot then I’m going to stare at you deeply concerned

Also yeah basically it’s just what if we make Auric Damnation slightly spicier

Imo Purity Coherency on Zealot is a savior on Pox Gas

[lucid hinge]

Forced to play hunting grounds mutant waves

Imo it's not really needed since that modifier drops stims like candy but hey it is what it is

[faint beacon]

The train of 10 mutants heading for the Zealot now heading for me cause he popped shroudfield

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[faint beacon]

We abuse it for free Health 💪💪💪💪

Personally I think it would be really funny if mutants just ignored Smite stun

[hard cave]

when they release another set of the moebian 21st cosmetics

[lucid hinge]

I need that scion chest and backpack so badly

Also hotshot and melta

[faint beacon]

Melta gun please…

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/784431925019541505/1256055129686147152/mutie_ball.gif

[muted knot]

Get this Person a Job at obese fish

[fathom wedge]

Uncanny Strike and what second blessing for knifing?

[faint beacon]

If you’re running serrated blade talent, mercy killer works

But precognition is also good

[midnight totem]

executor is good too

haymaker on the combat knife 6 for memes

[last parcel]

ogryn gaming

[little ledge]

stats tier list for bolt pistol?

[umbral parrot]

I can still save this, right?!

[hard cave]

awh nawh,,,,,

[umbral parrot]

Elite damage over Weakspot!?

GASP

But this has the famous push/stab and downward strike.

Ooho, good point.

Then Elite Damage it is. I'm testing the weapon without chaning anything up other than adding PC4, i can already 2 shot Crushers.

Sigh, i'll just spend the plasteel and try out both damages.

Yea, full on Vet melee build here.

Yee~! +

WAIT, there's a website that can crunch the num-

Oh

Sweet, had i known that.... let me look for it.

[last parcel]

join the darktide modders discord and go to this comment
#1170359714027155608 message

[warm swallow]

would yall say devil claw or knife is better

[umbral scaffold]

Knife

[radiant chasm]

Knife

[warm swallow]

ok

[radiant chasm]

Dclaw is great until you have to hit flak or carapace

[warm swallow]

i see

[radiant chasm]

It’s power is in the parry

Which imo is more useful on zealot

[warm swallow]

the build so far

yeah

i maxed my psyker and ogryn so now its vet time

these are my gifts from the emp rn but i hate this shovel it feels weak as hell

[hollow ibex]

poor standard shovel

neglected and abused

[last parcel]

boop

[fossil basalt]

I prefer standard Shovel:c

[umbral parrot]

Best mod ever

Real money saver

[radiant chasm]

Base shovel is a great all rounder

[faint beacon]

Mk7 shovel my beloved, but seriously the SIM and Mk3 need something going for them also

I used to be huge on using shovels but like the Caxes just show how lackluster they are in comparison minus the foldable special

I seriously do not know how to fix the Shovels

[midnight totem]

Regular shovel is still great

C axes are harder to roll

Regular shovel will still mulch hordes with most combinations of blessings

[faint beacon]

I know Uncanny is absolutely needed on them

Though I know it’s usually a toss up on what to use for the second

[midnight totem]

And uncanny is something c axes can't get

[faint beacon]

Skullcrusher usually

Though Deci can also be really good

[midnight totem]

I usually use decimator for the regular one

[last parcel]

i am decimatorphobic

[midnight totem]

50 percent extra power with 80+ Rending? Yum

[faint beacon]

Honestly I should pick them up again I’ve been using the Rashad for way too long

[midnight totem]

And there's my serrated shovel build

Or the

"Why am I running serrated on this shovel and why is it so funny" build

[faint beacon]

The spicy keys shovel

[last parcel]

because the shovel is also smeared in shit for +10 toxic dmg

[midnight totem]

True

[faint beacon]

Also for the life of me

I don’t know if shovels need trench fighter or not

[heavy rover]

wait serrated on shovel? that sounds hilarious and I want to try it out now

[umbral scaffold]

Tetanus DoT

[junior needle]

Serrated is not very good on shovel, or anything that isn't mercy knife

Especially since it's right next to a really good talent

Dots have been fixed for awhile now, no debuff stacking.

Only bloodletter/thunderous specifically slipped through the cracks for longer but it's been patched now iirc

[astral monolith]

Anyone have a breakpoint spreadsheet? I can't figure out the calculator for the life of me.

[weary acorn]

is the agripa shotgun still good or should i think about swapping it out for a lawbringer?

[austere mica]

Agri shotgun is the sniper of the combat shotguns

Lawbringer's standard shells are right inbetween the other two, but its alt shells allow for extreme Manstopper schenanigans against horde

[weary acorn]

I need to look over the talent tree again, whats manstopper do?

[austere mica]

Its a blessing that gives infinite cleave on crits

on a weapon with scattershot (up to 60% crit)

on a class than can get 25% crit by ADSing

You can see where I am going right

All of this for a shell with a perfectly horizontal and wide spread

[weary acorn]

yeah i can

got anyplace i can look at some builds? its been since the twins came out since i touched veteran

[austere mica]

I could send you my goofy Lawb build but other than that the best resource is Gameslantern and their builds are questionable at best

Just make something and send it here

[weary acorn]

i mean its somewhere to start

toss me yours so i can get some footing, and then i'll go from there

[junior needle]

Tell us what weapons/ult/grenade you want to use and someone can whip out a quick build

[weary acorn]

alright

[last parcel]

you can also take a gameslantern build then post it here and start saying it's the best thing since sliced bread, so everyone wakes up and optimizes it out of spite

[weary acorn]

thinking lawbringer, shovel mark VII, not too sused for grenade and the ult hmm

good old spite, best way to get the correct answer on the internet, post the wrong answer confidently

[umbral scaffold]

It's not quick if it doesn't take the 5% movement and aura

This post was fact-checked by real Atoman patriots

[weary acorn]

as for ult i'll probaly have to say voice of command

i want something thats got a broad range to handle stuff, dont like running into enemies i can't kill,

[umbral scaffold]

Weapon specialist plasma moment

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9e4abf-44ec-4e05-865f-73b69b1508f9/shitballs?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[muted knot]

I Hate how many Times I've been guilty of this

[umbral scaffold]

I don't know rashad and plasma perks

And the blessings are kinda different for people who use the gun more than the axe so idfk

Even on my plasma build I breathe melee

I just picked the dumbest stuff I knoe

W

[weary acorn]

gotcha, its a start at least

does out for blood work on ranged kills?

[last parcel]

yea

[weary acorn]

will this hold me on damnation till i get a better gun or should i start farming on other characters for dockets?

[tall torrent]

Missing breakpoint, need 1 more 5% ranged dmg on top of fire team + 5% ranged dmg

[tall torrent]

Rashad unarmored + carapace/unyielding
Plasma elite + flak

[weary acorn]

okay, lets see

Ahem, https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcc8917-d3ff-4e7f-8354-5eafb25a65ee/the-correct-veteran-build this is the best build to ever exist, it is so efficient and game breaking however will i find something better

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9e57d1-4243-495f-90de-620ffc240d85/plasma-meta

[weary acorn]

hey it worked,

ty kind stranger

[quiet valley]

You can swap Unyielding on the Plasma for Flak/Elites

If you want to outsource your boss dps to Kraks

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweakin-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-25519944

[faint beacon]

I've never beared witness to a psyker throw a match so hard in my entire life till right now

I am actually in awe

[heavy rover]

i have returned with my findings on using serrated with a shovel (Mkiii shovel w/ uncanny strike and decimator). Combined with the talents as shown. Is it some new meta? No, definitely not

is it hilarious? one thousand percent absolutely. 10/10 would recommend

also was done on auric damnation

[faint beacon]

not even WS?

[heavy rover]

WS?

[last parcel]

w w w weapon speciawist

[heavy rover]

Ah

I didn't find myself needing for it. 90% of the time I was on the shovel

[warm swallow]

Vet makes me feel like i can take on the world

But then mauler overhead

[midnight totem]

That's why 4 out of my 5 vet builds are usually melee vet

Overhead the crusher overhead

[stark badger]

Krak usually does maulers in, them and the ogryn enemies make me choose krak for all my builds.

[tame lodge]

Me when my teammate gets grabbed by mutie and Leave no one behind procs

[faint beacon]

my sanity drains

I swear Auric QPs are cursed tonight, on a 5 loss streak

[last parcel]

darkest dungeon ass line

[faint beacon]

I feel like im playing DD

except im getting nothing but unlucky rolls

[umbral scaffold]

Darkest Tide

[faint beacon]

I suppose when in doubt

Ogryn

I regret typing this out

I joined a match to a vet spam pinging

I think tide is telling me to stop playing

[midnight totem]

@faint beacon DAZED. REELING. ABOUT TO BREAK

[faint beacon]

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL MAN

Fucking 5 Auric matches

[midnight totem]

And now the true test! Hold fast... or expire.

[tall torrent]

Bring a melee that does solid carapace damage

[faint beacon]

UNHOLY FOULNESS! I WILL TAKE YOU WITH ME!

[midnight totem]

Kleptomaniac -whistles- -takes your healing stim and ammo-

If you want, I'll be on in 10 minutes

we can play a round for a win

[last parcel]

time to queuesnipe and throw

[lyric dock]

I must be really lucky. I never get the ping spammers

[last parcel]

what if you're the ping spammer

[heavy rover]

what if the real ping spammers are the friends we made along the way

[lyric dock]

Only because gold shiny outline make enemy take more pain

[faint beacon]

I actually hopped on Cyberpunk seeing I needed to get some gameplay in on that but Im most likely going to get back on here in tops idk 30 mins to an hour?

[lyric dock]

And people love gold shiny ping

[faint beacon]

Hopefully QP Aurics calm down by then

[tame lodge]

Bruh Darkest Dungeon

[lyric dock]

It'll calm down once the sale ends...Maybe

[tall torrent]

U wanna DRG

[midnight totem]

hey, up to you, hope it goes well in cyberpunk

[faint beacon]

I mean I've been enjoying it so far, literally first time ever playing it and so far doing a Netrunner build. But yeah give or take an hour I'll most likely be back on DT

[faint beacon]

Sometime in the future I'd be down

[tame lodge]

Will you be my bismor

👉👈

[faint beacon]

Sir this is #veteran-class

[last parcel]

you should add iron will

[faint beacon]

True!

Add rending strikes also

[wraith locust]

oops!

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/gamble-gambling-flipnote-raxdflipnote-gamblecore-gif-728096753915804447

another day and no DA4

[austere mica]

For use with an Agri revolver

I also heard that Always Prepared had an interaction with Crucian Roulette, but I'm not seeing that

[midnight totem]

not sure what you mean

if your revolver is loaded partially, you pull it out, crucian will kick in

[austere mica]

I think its fixed

Or just being hidden

[radiant chasm]

If you don't manually reload, the reloaded shells from always prepared won't count against crucian

[austere mica]

I guess its just really fucky behind the scenes kind of thing

Visually stacks of Crucian go down on your bar

[radiant chasm]

but the reason you don't see/feel it, is that weapon spec gives 99% crit chance after 3 melee stacks

imo

[austere mica]

But crit chance display jumps massively after I shoot

[radiant chasm]

it's just abusing for sake of it

[austere mica]

Time to run it anyway

Worst case scenario I just have cracked attack speed with my chainsword

[faint beacon]

me trying to get Perfect Strike on Evis's for the past week

finally got it Today

[umbral scaffold]

No stamina delay?

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[austere mica]

Yeah I want some

I should probably push a few things around to allow for it

In other news this build is great

Pull revolver, brace, kill something

[umbral scaffold]

I would the uhhh

I have the agripinaaaaaaaaa shotgun

[austere mica]

I don't know where I could pull points beside grenade regen

Maybe deadshot since its basically an accessory

[mortal orbit]

Does the double throw of shredder grenades apply two sets of stacks

[austere mica]

Answer: don't use Twinned Blast

[faint beacon]

It maxes at 16 iirc

[faint beacon]

but answer is this

[austere mica]

If you throw like 10 grenades a mission you will get 1 extra on average

That point is much better spent on regen or field improv while you're there

Also because of how it works its basically useless outside of frags

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jaaaag-gif-19266466

make it a guaranteed twinned blast every 3 throws and i might pick it up

cause then i can be sure theres at least 1 twinned blast when im panic throwing all 3

[last parcel]

make it like ilas headhunter

[mortal orbit]

Ngl i wanna give frags a turn unless its monster night at the roxbury

Kraks dont really matter outside of CC locking a boss. More often im finding the issue of teammates getting stuck in wave clear instead of grouping or the legendary 8 rager group

And rager bad

Demo team+frag looks tasty. Large groups give a crazy refund chance on hist where i need them now not on a CD

[warm swallow]

Guys what exactly do the sticky nades stick to

[low yarrow]

kill crushers

[warm swallow]

I know its stopping power but for a sticky nade its bounces off a whole lot

[radiant chasm]

Carapace and unyielding sticks

And magnets too

Hard to miss

[grand perch]

kraks launch themselves at flak and carapace, but not unyielding. and it will stick to any sort of armour, flak or carapace

[tall torrent]

Only magnetic to carapace

Doesn’t home to flak & unyielding

[grand perch]

oh youre right, iut doesnt launch at flak

did they change that? couldve sworn i tested this months ago and they launched at flak when no carapace was in range

[radiant chasm]

Yea sorry

Only magnet carapace, but also stick to flak and unyielding

[low yarrow]

best rolls mkiii chainsword

[radiant chasm]

Wrath rampage

[low yarrow]

copy

what about bloodletter and unyielding

[radiant chasm]

Bloodletter kinda for single target but you need wrath so you can work in melee, and rampage is just good (gives power not damage)

Perks in the pinned weapon guides

[severe gale]

bloodletter is really gonna only be good against bosses

and maybe reapers and bulwarks

other than that

mostly everything will be killed by the charge attack anyway

i could see maulers too

[umbral scaffold]

Ayo

I wasn't aware they buffed the helbore 3's charge

Holy shit this feels good

[quiet valley]

@unkempt lichen @manic cloak

[narrow frost]

Feel free to screenshot

[quiet valley]

pic goes hard

[wicked epoch]

SOMEONE

WHO WANTS TO GO TO VEGAS WITH ME!?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-yes-man-gif-13241730073695760201

[wicked epoch]

LETS EMPTY OUT THE LUCKY 38 BOYS ALL IN ON BLACK 7

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

how do i build this mf now

what perks

[severe gale]

death spitter to headhunter

weakspot to flak

[wicked epoch]

bet

fuck it locked deathspitter

[last parcel]

how

[severe gale]

wh

why

headhunter is so much better

[wicked epoch]

i upgraded the maniac

[severe gale]

5% damage

[last parcel]

💀

[severe gale]

thats

[wicked epoch]

i mean close kill isnt too bad

[severe gale]

ur

something

[wicked epoch]

im using it for a cqc build

[tall torrent]

It helps against a bunch of elites

[wicked epoch]

dont ask i like the pew pew

[severe gale]

u should not be magdumping hordes

[last parcel]

headhunter gives more pew pew because shock trooper so

[severe gale]

headhunter lets u obliterate crushers

and reapers

[wicked epoch]

there is nothing we can do

[severe gale]

and gunners

[severe gale]

ur just

odd

[wicked epoch]

i have a power sword and krak to make up for this

[wicked epoch]

it LOCKED IT in me

i have no choice but to make peace

with the omnissiahs timing

[radiant chasm]

Dont upgrade perks over bless unless your blessings perfect

[wicked epoch]

mistakes were made.

[radiant chasm]

[wicked epoch]

lessons were learned.

[last parcel]

were they really

[severe gale]

yeah

very major mistake

[wicked epoch]

Lessons were learned

[last parcel]

now you can use it as a knock off agri iag

[coral willow]

doubt

anyways some guys do run mk7a as dumdum DS i think

lel

[wicked epoch]

agrapiina?

lmao idk what the agri is

all i know is Kantral Mk XII Infantry lasgun

[last parcel]

i gripped a penis

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ilNRrOJxoo-29loa6/d1337e1qcu0h?invite=cr-MSxlcFksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Daily reminder

its Scab Mauler Saturday: Featuring @tall torrent

[wicked epoch]

the factcyour pfp is the incest psycho doesnt help too

[tall torrent]

(we won)

[faint beacon]

Literally after the video ends like 15 more Maulers showed up

it TRULY is Scab Mauler saturday

[twilit plank]

is this good?

[austere mica]

Swap reload speed for flak

[twilit plank]

ah ok

[crimson pebble]

You think id still need the 30% weakspot node with a knife w uncanny and mercy killer

[lusty sapphire]

Yes? Both uncanny and mercy would work best with extra weakspot

The first ironhelm I got on zealot after reaching 20. Well this is nice

[median moss]

Got this today.

[grand perch]

das real good boss

[fast sundial]

not sure if slaughterer is more gooder than brutal momentum but it can probably do some funny elite damage if you bully some chaff beforehand

[bold sierra]

man, I have not seen another veteran that uses something other than Plasma gun or Revolver for a LOOOONG time, but maybe it's an Asia server thing, who knows xD

[dreamy spade]

I love having 6 enchanced, twin blast frag grenade

[wanton dawn]

Well, those are the best gun performance wise sooo

Ciag can compete in damage sometimes but you lose a lot in surv

[wary wharf]

Melk 🙌

[nocturne mulch]

I haven't used revolver since new map came out and only used plasma twice and columnus once, I like to use all the other guna for variety

Been playing ALOT of Mk X Laspistol

[weary acorn]

does anyone know if the rapidfire las rifles are any good now?

[somber axle]

Recons are good yeah

All three variants are solid but if you are new to Recons you should probably try the Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa first. They're both more friendly to first time users

Probably the Recon Mk VIIa since the extra cleave makes it more fun for a lot of people

Recon Mk II has better ammo economy and slightly higher single target DPS but the Recon Mk VIIa has cleave

[fossil basalt]

And then there is my love, the Mk VI with deadshot and 3+3 stam curios on the infernus+dumdum combo

Knowing just how many shots you need to kill a unit with the burn is an art form I aspire to

Sends your ammo economy through the roof when you pair it with crits using no ammo too

[weary acorn]

what role does the gun serve? anti horde? elite/special?

[fossil basalt]

Anti shooter + elite/special

And, with the right blessings, a whole heap of monster damage

[weary acorn]

okay, i can get behind that

[fossil basalt]

It can do horde clear but you'll need to pace your bursts to maximize headshots

It's a very finesse style of gun compared to others, I think

You can make it work for a lot of things but it definitely gets overrun by numbers on its own

[weary acorn]

so keep a good horde clear melee weapon when needed

suggested ults?

[fossil basalt]

Aye, I've been using an indignatus shock maul with ignoring stagger resistances on weak spot hit and thrust

Any of them, really

Recon's flexible like that

[weary acorn]

well here unforunately i'm lacking education, mind giving me a run down of the ults and their intended purposes?

i've only ever used the shout

[fossil basalt]

VoC will let you do the most versatile, making space and upping general survivability

Exe stance if you want to really tell them shooters to go away, you just don't have instant toughness on ability activate (which can be a hard sell)

Infiltrate's all about maximizing your positioning and being support and burst damage, but you won't be buffing your allies

I'm an infiltrate main but I've been using it with VoC
It's a shame the least shootery ability is the one that tends to let you do it the most

I have builds for all three on recons and they all serve different uses but kinda perform the same

[weary acorn]

sounds like my playstyle fits more into VoC

I have a build here i'm looking at from gameslantern but i've been warned they're not very optimized

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c3fb8b1-21c2-41fc-bc0a-a5b033fbbde0/auricmaelstrom-recon-lasgun-mk7

[fossil basalt]

Wow yeah that build is... very all over the place

[weary acorn]

i like all rounder builds

my psyker is that, with trauma staff

i like having an answer to most problems

[fossil basalt]

Not using all three Stam curios and still going deadshot is brave, considering the costs scale appropriately now

[weary acorn]

reason?

[fossil basalt]

If you have more stamina bars, you'll use less overall stamina per shot, increasing your efficacy with deadshot and on-demand infernus tagging

I also personally shaved off keystones and the two nodes in right bottom tree for all three at the very top (Longshot, reload speed on elite kill, toughness DR on weak spot hit)

Also means picking up people in melee is easier but I digress

[crimson pebble]

I wouldnt bother w the crit chance on dodge as im assuming your wanting it for porcing infernus on recon it wont make a noticeable enough diff and crits on that shovel aren't rlly going to be game changing enough to be worth the 2 points

[weary acorn]

gotcha

[fossil basalt]

^ this, yeah

The weapon perks are off too

Recons really like +flak or +maniac
It's not much but that's most of your targets

I love unyielding tho, so it's one or the other

[crimson pebble]

Also the 20 power on weakspot kills node is a bit iffy without using exe stance but theirs worse choices

[weary acorn]

if i'm using deadshot looks like i'll need to get stamina curios...

i have toughness and health atm

[fossil basalt]

Yeah, getting all 3+3s really makes the moment once you practice actually having a stamina economy

[crimson pebble]

Also have you tried any of the other shovel mks @weary acorn

[weary acorn]

yes i have a favorite actually lol

i need better blessing but this is mine

[fossil basalt]

That's honestly brilliant for this build haha

[weary acorn]

accidental brilliance lol?

[crimson pebble]

Idk kinda cooked w that shovel imo

[fossil basalt]

Well, yeah, it's not the best

But all or nothing on a deadshot build pulls some serious weight

[weary acorn]

sounds like i may have found my niche then

i love that shovel its my favorite

[crimson pebble]

You want uncanny strike w either thrust or decimator w flak and carapace is how id build it

And to top off even when the crafting update comes around youll still be stuck w 65 dmg modifer as its already 380

[fossil basalt]

Thrust is 20% more damage at the maximum stack than all or nothing, so it (all or nothing) is weaker, but it also depends on how frequently you hit at least 2 levels of thrust compared to having no stam

[crimson pebble]

Also deadshot w bolter boltpistol and revolver arent nearly as stam curio centered if you wantd to try those

[weary acorn]

interseting thoughts, i have a recon mark VIIa atm and no dockets though so

also i rather like rapid fire weapons

instead of single shots or semi autos

[fossil basalt]

No dockets? :c

[weary acorn]

i am broke as of right now lol

[crimson pebble]

Also to consider weapon specialist can work really well with bouncing your stamina back out from deadshots drain and turns the shovels into blenders

[weary acorn]

okay then, help me build this, i'd like VoC, a good all round answer to most problems, and if i can get it, good ammo economy on the las gun

[fossil basalt]

Well, recons and "good ammo econ" tends to be left tree with crits taking no ammo? Otherwise it's a bullethose

In the most literal sense, mind

[weary acorn]

yeah i've been testing the gun out while we've been chatting, no talents allocated, it eats bullets

[fossil basalt]

A good team will know to feed their recon vet

[weary acorn]

unfortunately i can't rely on that

[fossil basalt]

Yeaaaaaaaah

[crimson pebble]

Could do this and if you wanted to switch iron will for the middle node on specialist and get 20% toughness every 3 sec on weapon switch @weary acorn

[weary acorn]

lemme peek at this

[fossil basalt]

Iron will is a goat but there's ways to be similarly tanky

To an extent...

[weary acorn]

no krak grenade though, so i guess i need to know what shredders are best used for

[fossil basalt]

If I wasn't such a chronic weapon swapper I'd be all over this lmao

[crimson pebble]

Use shredders as your crow control in between voc cooldown

[fossil basalt]

Shredders give space, yeah

[weary acorn]

whats its answer to crushers then?

[crimson pebble]

Your shovel

[fossil basalt]

Whack

That's where uncanny strike comes in

[crimson pebble]

The mkII specifically

The reg shovel wont cut it

[weary acorn]

Mark VII?

[fossil basalt]

The special attack on the newer model is busted v crushers

[crimson pebble]

Ya use the alt mode on it

Ogryns alt mode for their shovel was insanely busted with brutal momentum up untill last patch

You could also try knife or powersword theyd both work in the same role as your anti armor

[weary acorn]

interesting thats why you want stamina, deadshot deactivates now when you run out

[cerulean void]

yarp 😄