veteran-class

[hearty panther]

otherwise the gun will lose its je ne sais quoi

also fucking nerf revolver already

[midnight totem]

Get your filthy hands away from my five shooter

[jovial aurora]

Volver ain't that bad lol. It's only really strong as fuck on vet. It's supposed to be a elite/special dropper and it's drawbacks make it balanced imo

[radiant chasm]

Great on zealot and gunker prefers automatics cause of true aim

But it’s still good in gunker

Def needs a nerf

We cannot buff every weapon to zarona level it is impossible

[jovial aurora]

Lol

It's ammo cap and reload deffo make it a solid a tier pick but not nerf level imo

It barely even one taps anything without crit proc or something else in the build helping it out

[radiant chasm]

It literally is all class plasma tier

[radiant chasm]

Omy it’s like it is ridic easy to guarantee a crit cause it has surgical

Wdym barely onetaps it one taps flamers it one taps gunners and shotgunners

And ragers

Massive kills per shot in more funneled maps

[jovial aurora]

Yes with its five shots in mags it will occasionally one tap one or two specials out of hundreds lol

[last parcel]

it has a cool name

[radiant chasm]

You mean it will one tap any special

And one tap multiple specials in a single shot

Since it doesn’t have cleave fall off

[jovial aurora]

If they're perfectly lined up in a line. It's almost like that's it's thing that sets it apart or something

[radiant chasm]

Ahh yes set apart by having a hitbox the size of a ballistic missile

[jovial aurora]

They literally nerfed that lol it's got a normal headshot box now

[radiant chasm]

And, check notes, positioning angles which is ez asf with A and D and dodges

[radiant chasm]

Def still big i just used it on zealot and cleaned house

The only thing it is weaker compared to is plasma which isn’t an all class weapon

[hearty panther]

it does not have 'a normal headshot box'

[jovial aurora]

Maybe its cuz you were checks notes hitting heads with a high damage low dps weapon

[hearty panther]

it still has a bulletray that matches the plasma gun

[jovial aurora]

I'd have to see proof of that to believe it tbh

[radiant chasm]

Low dps

That just ignores cleave at all

[hearty panther]

you need proof of the obvious?

[radiant chasm]

Add in it’s massive cleave

[hearty panther]

aim at a head in the Psykhanium. move your crosshair over until its off. enjoy your unearned headshot

fuck revolver

[radiant chasm]

Plasma has an actual magazine size and plasma can pen crushers/bulwarks

[jovial aurora]

Honestly kinda sounds cringe whining about the volver when things like the ciag exist lol

[radiant chasm]

I rank it slightly higher than rev

[radiant chasm]

Ciag is busted for dps but it isn’t game breaking so stfu with whataboutism

[hearty panther]

ciag is strong but you at the very least have to actually aim it

[radiant chasm]

CIAG got a little nerf, not enough, but it doesn’t cleave

[jovial aurora]

Salt

[hearty panther]

both need adjustment

plasma needs a soft rework

[radiant chasm]

It doesn’t multikill 5+ specials in a single bullet

[jovial aurora]

Zarona is hard capped by having butt mag size and the worst reload in the game lol

[radiant chasm]

I used a logical fallacy and you called me out hahah so salty, dude grow up it’s a video game xd

[jovial aurora]

Perfect storm scenarios where you can lime up 5 specials in one shot don't make it op, it gives it a appeal lol

[hearty panther]

ah yes the small magazine size that can only kill eighteen elites

[radiant chasm]

Bolter exists, twin stubbers exist

[jovial aurora]

More salt

[radiant chasm]

It’s not a perfect storm lmao not with that hitbox and auric density

[radiant chasm]

K

[radiant chasm]

Me singlehandedly making the scoreboard look like I’m hacking by turning a corner on zealot and blasting away an entire regiment of gunners

Big iron!

[jovial aurora]

I feel that zarona is hard limited by terrible mag size and even worse reload. You don't. To quote you grow up dude it's just a video game

[hearty panther]

like the only real drawback is having to fully restart the reload every time, it has no tiers

but one bullet goes a long fucking way

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-big-iron-gif-19017452

[hearty panther]

so its hardly one that matters

and wepspec as stated basically circumvents all of this

you legitimately just need the one bullet 95% of the time

[radiant chasm]

It’s a staged reload so it doesn’t matter you can always take WS or a reload speed talent

[hearty panther]

it is that strong

[jovial aurora]

The only char that has a real reload speed is zealot or vet and both come at a cost to the build

[radiant chasm]

Terrible magsize also doesn’t matter when it has some of the best ammo efficiency for a non lasgun

[hearty panther]

a reasonable revolver would look closer to the current boltpistol in terms of projectile

[radiant chasm]

Wow like i said, you don’t need either, simply if you want it

[hearty panther]

not zero cleave necessarily

[jovial aurora]

Ammo economy is only good if you have survivalist on vet lol

[hearty panther]

but not 6 point fukken 5

[radiant chasm]

And zealot since you are using it as a side arm

Imo bolt pistol would be fine with 1, even 2 cleave

[hearty panther]

Zealot doesn't really care about Revo because tknives

[radiant chasm]

Would make it less likely to be blocked by a single poxwalker

[jovial aurora]

Imo zealot is alot better off with a mk3

[hearty panther]

but revo is nonetheless an absurdity

[radiant chasm]

Mk3 what? Headhunter? I simp for that gun and lol no

Not even close

[jovial aurora]

It's fine lol it's a big iron doing big iron things in a hardly balanced pve environment

[hearty panther]

gee i wonder what's hardly balanced about it

[radiant chasm]

True we shouldn’t care about game balance

[jovial aurora]

If it were nerfed Noone would use it lol

[radiant chasm]

We should have a massive power gap between weapons and also power creep the game, never nerf

[radiant chasm]

Wrong

[jovial aurora]

Like what exactly do you want nerfex about it?

[hearty panther]

bulletray. handcannon.

[jovial aurora]

You'd literally just find another thing to cry about lol

And again ciag exists

[hearty panther]

cleave probably should be three

[radiant chasm]

Even before revolver was buffed and it barely hit BPs

[hearty panther]

thats it

[radiant chasm]

Slippery slope fallacy

[radiant chasm]

Agreed

[hearty panther]

right now its just babbys first specialist killer

except it also drops elite blobs

murders monstros

[radiant chasm]

Bulletray and nerf the cleave

[hearty panther]

doesnt care about your positioning

[jovial aurora]

And that's usually where it stays tbh not that many people run the volver on auric

[hearty panther]

and doesnt even care if youre precise lmao

[radiant chasm]

Like don’t talk to me about revolver im a pre order beta player

I remember when revolver sucked ass

[hearty panther]

its the pastiche of a skill weapon

[radiant chasm]

People still used it cause it was mobile and looks cool

[jovial aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[radiant chasm]

Because everyone who plays auric has already used it

Emperor forbid auric players don’t force meta every round

[hearty panther]

we are so fucking bored of revolver

[radiant chasm]

Keep attacking me personally it is really working out for you while exploits is dropping truth bombs

[jovial aurora]

You the one who jumped to stfus and all that lol

Cute strawman butt..

[pseudo fiber]

I think people would use the revolver for its fast draw speed regardless tbh.

[radiant chasm]

You literally started insulting me and using fallacies

[jovial aurora]

Where?

[hearty panther]

good mobility numbers toi

[jovial aurora]

A gif attacks you personally? Maybe you should find a different discord to dwell in

[radiant chasm]

Yea, clarification i put this under mobility in my head but that’s another thing

[hearty panther]

and being able to cancel the reload at any time to fire is a big asset

[jovial aurora]

Yee but mobility pretty much has to be the dump stat

[radiant chasm]

Dude keep hyperfixating on me it is working out for you cause you don’t have anything else, cause you were proven wrong

[pseudo fiber]

But bolt pistol (almost) is in that niche its just not as fast.

And also the sights are bugged.

[radiant chasm]

Mobility as a mod score is a dump stat

[hearty panther]

there are better dumpstats

[jovial aurora]

That's because you keep replying to me lol

[radiant chasm]

Mobility in general is not useless

[hearty panther]

believe me or dont

[jovial aurora]

Quit being so mad bro

It's not good for your cardiac stability

[hearty panther]

and either way mobility on revo is quite strong relative to most ranged weapon options

[hollow warren]

lads, how can I make this work? I know Hadron fucked me over with the perks, but I'd really like to keep this. I should probably replace OF with High Voltage. But which perk should I keep?

[radiant chasm]

Most mobile weapons can dump a lot of mobility and still be mobile

[radiant chasm]

Oof you got skullcrusher at least

[hearty panther]

special for unyielding, force for hammerblow or high voltage

[pseudo fiber]

Keep specialist drop weakspot damage

[radiant chasm]

OF to lightning reflexes or high voltage and change weakspot damage

[hearty panther]

itll be fine

[hollow warren]

yeah, I know it's bad, both perks and one blessing are trash

[hearty panther]

shmaul is pretty neutral for perks

[radiant chasm]

I’d protest to hadron smh

[hearty panther]

almost all your BPs come from skullcrusher triggers

[hollow warren]

I told her that she can rust in hell, but she's unphased by that 😦

[hearty panther]

and the only specials youre gonna hit with it are probably dogs and muties

flamers sometimes

and its not gonna do anything new there

[hollow warren]

I'm hesitant with the perks though. would it be wise to keep the weak spot damage since I constantly use the heavy overhead smack and always aim for the enemy's head?

[radiant chasm]

keep weakspot

change OF to LR or HV

LR is great vs ragers

[hollow warren]

replaced it to High Voltage t4

[radiant chasm]

def wouldn't say discount LR entirely tho HV is fine

[hearty panther]

god i gotta stop buying coffee before i do my groceries

[hollow warren]

gonna replaced specials with +10% vs poxers/groaners for that crowd clearing gameplay

[hearty panther]

i end up waddling rapidly homeward as my asshole starts to part with no bathroom in sight

feelin like QWOP but with a dozen eggs

[hollow warren]

https://tenor.com/view/ducksong-duck-waddle-gotanygrapes-gif-5019876

[hearty panther]

yea so all the consequential bps on the shmaul are just

hit once

high voltage applies to everything hit

second hit skullcrusher adds another 40%

third hit 80% for 105% total boost

jumpstart the entire process on chunky targets with the special

perks are almost irrelevant as a result other than a handful of one tap breakpoints

but shmaul has such good control cleave CC etc. That it's almost moot

[tame lodge]

While that's
I'm fairly sure groaners are unarmored, bruisers also have unarmored
See what I mean?

[hearty panther]

honestly shmaul is just a good weapon

almost out of the box

you can gigajuice it but i dont think you could ever make it straight up bad

krak upon ye, monstros

it benefits more from VoC knockback and/or attackspeed than anything really

[pseudo fiber]

It's a very fun weapon too

Both variants are good too reminds me of chainsword in a way.

[hollow warren]

also I've just noticed. the max a weapon can go is 380, meaning points distribution like 80/80/80/80/60. how come my shmaul is 375, but it's missing only 4 extra points stats-wise?

[hearty panther]

warp fuckery

also rounding

[pseudo fiber]

Oh sometimes it does that

[hollow warren]

yeah, figured it had something to do with rounding

[pseudo fiber]

Tzeentch bullshit ignore it

[coral willow]

decimal is a wierd system when imperiums still use feets

[hollow warren]

🦶

do you think the US finally switched to metric in the 41st millenium?

[hearty panther]

at the desk, yes

in the field, also yes but no

[coral willow]

if nasa took over sure

[heavy rover]

I find it funny that the US imperial measurement definitions are based on metric measurements

[hearty panther]

yea it's almost like imperial is fucking nonsense

but my 3.5 cheeseburger per hogshead truck gets fifty three eagle screeches to the yard and thats how god intended it

[waxen tinsel]

recently coming back after a while, whats the best ranged and melee in slot?

[odd sparrow]

power sword 6 still best.

plasma- columnus mk 5 - zarona revolver

[midnight totem]

Zarona revolver is mostly fine. Buff agrippina revolver slightly, i suggest increased cleave. Fix bolter and bolt pistol recoil and increase their infested damage.

[hearty panther]

fuck revolver

im not doing this rant again

[faint beacon]

Did you post like a manifesto on why the lower class (normal weapon users) should dismantle the oppressors (Zarona mains)

[waxen tinsel]

i was testing out plasma and I was like, god damn this is good

it has better damage than bolter without the longass weaponswap time

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

(I don't even care, I just think it's funny seeing you rant)

[faint beacon]

I’ve never seen this rant and I’m morbidly curious

Just cause I’m in the same boat of intense hatred for the Zarona

[hearty panther]

once a day is enough

its up there if youre truly curious

[faint beacon]

Daily Zarona hate to keep the mental sanity strong 💪

[midnight totem]

It's baby's first specialist killer

Well, also the easiest specialist killer

[lucid hinge]

I hope it gets obliterated ngl

[midnight totem]

And elite killer

Gdi backup

[lucid hinge]

evil text

[marble mantle]

FINALLY GOT MANSTOPPER FOR LAWBRINGER LETS GO

[faint beacon]

Now get it

For the DB

[marble mantle]

I got it the day the DB came out lol

That’s an exaggeration but I’ve had it

[faint beacon]

I scrolled up and read the entire argument, nothing makes me more fucking upset knowing some dinky fucking five shooter completely shuts down the existence of literally ALL THE HEADHUNTER AUTOS

[faint beacon]

Also now get Flechette cause it’s funny

[marble mantle]

Just had a guy tell me our whole team was ass when he spent pretty much the entire game with either a red healthbar or a respawn timer

[midnight totem]

I love the headhunter autos

Except the 2 burst

Which is wierd because I love two burst guns in any other game

[radiant chasm]

agri revolver doesn't need buffs

zarona just needs to be nerfed

then you could prob nerf agri's unyielding damage by like 10% or something

[radiant chasm]

mk7 kinda yea, but mk3 is in another category, it more closely competes with CIAG

[wanton dawn]

I dont wanna scroll up

[flat crypt]

i'd like to get tiny bit of cleave for agri revolver, at least so it could penetrate 1 enemy

[wanton dawn]

Boltpistol could definitely use cleave

[radiant chasm]

doesn't it have 2 or 3 cleave?

bolt pistol 1 or even 2 cleave would make it a lot better and IMO i'll take it

lets it blast through a trash mob if needed

[faint beacon]

I actually really enjoy the Agri IX

I think it could use minor tweaking but it’s still pretty reliable

Fucking last night I was doing Agri + Taxe and was having a fucking blast with the build

[radiant chasm]

i don't see a reason to take hhmk9 when mk3 does the burst fire better and mk7 is just a based DMR

[flat crypt]

haven't used it in awhile, last time i used it trash mobs blocked bullets 🤔

[faint beacon]

I think it just needs a wee bit more cleave and recoil dampening and then it has a purpose compared to 3 and 7

Like barely any, it doesn’t need to be a direct upgrade

[radiant chasm]

yea but how headhunter (blessing) functions, that makes mk3 better

40% crit chance on crit hit chains vs 20% crit chance

surgical DA or OS+NR mk7

there isn't really any synergies for 2 round bursts

[faint beacon]

Tbf iirc we discussed what it still had

Apparently it’s Finesse on Bosses are still absolutely fucked

[midnight totem]

take both surgical AND headhunter on the Agri head hunter

xD

[flat crypt]

for me at least it's the economy and accuracy why i like mk9 more than mk3. Also the 3-rnd burst is too slow for my taste

[midnight totem]

I did that on my agrip and used it for a few rounds

it was funny

[faint beacon]

I’ve had the most luck with it with DA + HH

I seriously think it just needs super minor tweaks and it’ll be on par with the 3 and 7

Obviously it’s the weakest of them but it’s still good

[midnight totem]

it just needs its recoil adjusted

[faint beacon]

Literally

[midnight totem]

the side to side recoil is horrendous

[faint beacon]

Recoil needs to be dampened and maybe if they want to be very nice give it a tinsy bit more cleave? Unless it’s already rivaling 7 and I just don’t notice it

Don’t get me started on Zarona out cleaving the 7

That shit makes me so fucking upset

[flat crypt]

Might be wrong but wasn't it like mk7 cleaves 1 pox and 1 groaner, mk9 1 groaner and mk3 cleaves nothing?

[midnight totem]

I mean, the 7 feels like a 7.62×51mm NATO

[hearty panther]

they all have 1.5 cleave

[midnight totem]

the revolver feels like a .44 Magnum

[faint beacon]

Personally I think the heavy hitting DMR esc Headhunter should be able to pierce multiple heads

The Agri should be the middle ground

And the 3 should be the weakest for cleave but it’s because it can fire faster

But We can’t have nice things can we when the fucking Hand cannon exists

[clear lantern]

Agrippina has always been "slower firing, but larger caliber", versus the Columnus "faster firing, but lower caliber", with Graia the middle ground.

Then Vraks are off there to the side being vraks.

[terse idol]

If only that was the case

The columnus hits like a truck as a bullet hose

[faint beacon]

Vraks/Agri I wish just had a bit more going other than

What flavor of burst would you like

They’re good just

Ugh

[clear lantern]

I use an Agrippinna Infantry in auric that's a 549 and I just enjoy the hell out of it.

it doesn't do much against crushers but I have a chain weapon for them.

[faint beacon]

Actually no I know exactly why I’m using the Agri IX HHA

It’s my only 548 with extremely balanced stats with the “lowest being” mobility

Everything is like 78-70 range

[radiant chasm]

i mean mk7 got flavor

it's a proper DMR now

[faint beacon]

It pains me to see it being outshined by the fucking Zarona

I have a good 530 mob dump stat Mk7

[clear lantern]

I like the double-tap headhunter; it's really great in executioner stance. Live in that all day with that sucker, until the clowntime happens and it just locks up and misfires.

[faint beacon]

It’s when I want to snipe I use it

Extremely fucking fun

[faint beacon]

Agri IX, 2 round is just the weakest cause of its janky recoil pattern

[radiant chasm]

mk3 just abuses things better

yea janky recoil+ poor synergy compared to both what the single shot and triple burst can do

[faint beacon]

If they fixed it

I kid you not the Agri IX might be more of a Off-Meta type pick cause it’s really good when you know it’s strengths

It’s just that FUCKING RECOIL

75% stability and it still bounces all over the place like my Veteran has Parkinson’s

[marble mantle]

Is helbore 3 worth using just for the gun? I’m wanting to use a helbore but not really wanting to make it my main weapon, since my main weapon is definitely still the knife. That being said I’ll still use the optimal helbore even if it’s still 1 or 2, it just won’t be my sole focus. Besides, it’ll be fun to basically have 3 weapons lol

Also does ranged attack speed include charge rate?

[faint beacon]

3 is like the Agri IX of Hellbores

It’s the weakest

[marble mantle]

Ohhhh okay

[faint beacon]

Just it does hit harder against Cara

So you’re looking for like Crusher hunting it’s good

It’s just the harder to work with them

[hearty panther]

its literally the strongest, gun wise

[marble mantle]

Naw I got knife

[marble mantle]

Hmmmmm

[hearty panther]

but its an overkill machine for 95% of targets

[marble mantle]

Gotcha gotcha

[faint beacon]

Hence why it’s suggested to run 1-2

Plus your bayonet is a slash

Which is drastically weaker

Compared to the pokes of 1-2

[marble mantle]

Which one should I run if im looking for like heavy damage in short bursts? Again, not my main wep

I’ve got a great 2 and I’m almost done with a great 1

[faint beacon]

Fuck in quicker bursts

I believe that’s the 2?

Check the veteran guide

Make sure it’s the light variant

[marble mantle]

Okay, will do. I always forget about that.

[faint beacon]

But you want Rate of Fire + Surgical

[hearty panther]

Single target ass-blaster: I or III

[faint beacon]

That’s the go to blessing combo

[hearty panther]

rapid fire on several targets, I or II

[marble mantle]

Weight of fire you mean?

[faint beacon]

That thing used to be called onslaught

But then we had a talent also named that

And they had to change it

[marble mantle]

Ahhhhh

[faint beacon]

I’m still struggling with its name change

[hearty panther]

people talk a lot about charge rate and fire rate but the truth is that most of us are not acquiring and and drawing on a target fast enough for those milliseconds to matter

[marble mantle]

Okay so I’ll use 1

[faint beacon]

Tbh you kinda have to play Hellbores differently from any other vet weapon

Cause when you commit that deploy speed is punishing

So you start getting swarmed you have to use your bayonet

[marble mantle]

I also have knife so that’s like a fast pull out

Trying to make an assassin type build

[faint beacon]

It’s more so your deploy to Hellbore that punishes you super hard

Cause it’s like a solid second?

[marble mantle]

Yeah that might be a little pain but I’ve also got smokes and infil

So I can recover

[faint beacon]

You lift up the gun and have to turn the safety off before you can even use the damn thing

You will notice it

[marble mantle]

Oh yeah I’m using it in meat grinder rn

I definitely notice it

Why tf is it the only weapon you gotta turn the safety off on

[faint beacon]

Balance probably

It’s a good gun

[marble mantle]

They should’ve given it a scope

If it takes that long to pull out

[faint beacon]

You just don’t see many players use it cause it requires a lot of commitment

[marble mantle]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Also another reason why PC mods help a shit ton

Lmao

[tame lodge]

Krieg knows gun discipline

[faint beacon]

I can slap a scope on my Hellbore

[marble mantle]

Not me, if the safety is on, less heretics die

[marble mantle]

I wish

[clear lantern]

nice little ACOG on that rail'd be good

[marble mantle]

Absolutely

All the sniper-esque weapons in this game are so fuckin hard to use since they all got shitty lil irons

Only way to get a good look at anything down range is with exe

That brings me to ANOTHER point. How come the night vision from infiltrate makes it even HARDER to see on power outages??

[faint beacon]

I think I got Stockholm syndrome after playing with the Agri IX HHA for so long

I started using it’s iron recently

And found out they’re actually

Not half bad

[marble mantle]

The two burst?

Yeah I don’t mind it

[faint beacon]

Yeah

Used to fucking despise its irons

[marble mantle]

Me likey the vraks 7

[faint beacon]

I’ve just realized where I should actually aim and went

Wow

[marble mantle]

Mmmm dmr

[faint beacon]

This is actually good

[marble mantle]

Fuck it give me a silenced pistol

Even on the gun class it feels like we ain’t get no assassin type range weapons

[faint beacon]

HHAs and Hellbores are the closest you’ll get till they drop a stub rifle or long-las

[marble mantle]

Mmmmm give me a silenced pistol that doesn’t break infil

Mmmmmm

🤤

[uncut pebble]

FATSHARK, GIVE ME A LONGLAS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[marble mantle]

Seriously though 😭

And for the love of the EMPEROR please give it a scope

[uncut pebble]

Real shit, we need a LOT of ranged weapons.

[marble mantle]

Like were the gun class and we only have like 2 gun classes that no other class has I think

[uncut pebble]

Longlas, meltas, stub rifles...

[marble mantle]

Zealots have 3 exclusive melees

[uncut pebble]

Also remove unique class locks.

[marble mantle]

Fuckin please

[uncut pebble]

Emperor help us when zealouts get their hands on power swords...

[terse idol]

Well to be fair

[marble mantle]

We have plasma (boring) and helbore (too much commitment, take me out to dinner first)

[terse idol]

Because we have the most talents that affect guns

[marble mantle]

Wym? I’m not complaining that we’re the the ranged class, I’m complaining that our unique weps ain’t enough

[uncut pebble]

Ogryns also need lascannons and heavy bolters.

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

SHARTSHARK! GIVE VETERAN A STUBBER AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[marble mantle]

They also need an XXXXL eviscerator

[terse idol]

Sure we doo need more ranged weapons

[uncut pebble]

Are... those a thing?

[faint beacon]

Yeah

One moment

[terse idol]

I don't think we need more class exclusive but w/e

[marble mantle]

No but they should have it

[marble mantle]

I mean I get it with Ogryn

And Psyker with staffs and shit

But zealot and vet, there’s no reason we shouldn’t share all weps

[faint beacon]

They’re basically MGs for Infantry, Ogryns just use Double barreled heavier fitted versions, best example would be Dreg Gunners

[terse idol]

Well

[faint beacon]

That’s a Stubber for Infantry

[terse idol]

Okay if I'm gonna poke on it

Power sword for zealot would be insane

[uncut pebble]

No, no, I was asking if XXXXL eviscerators were a thing.

[faint beacon]

I

[marble mantle]

Even if they’re not, they deserve to be

[faint beacon]

Would not be surprised?

[uncut pebble]

Dsmk4, though...

[faint beacon]

But at the same time I don’t think so

[terse idol]

And

[faint beacon]

Honestly okay okay

[terse idol]

It has bad cara damage

[faint beacon]

Hear me out

[marble mantle]

They already have explosive punchy cannon, it’s not like they’re not already a danger to society

[faint beacon]

What if we give Zealot

[midnight totem]

Look

[terse idol]

It's an okay alternative for vet/zealot

Since the parryy

[midnight totem]

We need this for veterans

[marble mantle]

👀

[faint beacon]

The Scab Mauler Chainaxe

[faint beacon]

And Ogryn

[marble mantle]

Fuck yeah

[faint beacon]

The Crushers Maul

[uncut pebble]

Is that a fucking rotary stubber???

[marble mantle]

🤤

[midnight totem]

Yes

[uncut pebble]

[faint beacon]

Anything that lets me MG max on veteran I’m immediately down

[midnight totem]

Void armsmen have it as a weapon option

[marble mantle]

Imagine that with exe stance

Fuck

[midnight totem]

So naval marines basically

[faint beacon]

Wait I have

An idea

Regarding that

We just get stubber variants

That’s the “Light” pattern

Cause of High ROF

[marble mantle]

Give me a boltsniper (even if they’re not real)

Give me a railgun

[uncut pebble]

Mauler chaxe is just the chaxe we have with a longer handle.

[sinful swallow]

Infiltrators use bolt snipers

[uncut pebble]

Sniper rifle bolters do exist.

[sinful swallow]

They have modified stocks and barrels

[faint beacon]

Yes but…. It hits harder

[marble mantle]

We have infil but no bolt sniper 😭😭

[faint beacon]

I want to Mauler max

Do not deny me this

[uncut pebble]

That comes with the territory of having a longer handle.

That's how axes work.

[faint beacon]

Still I seriously think it should happen cause like

They have the Evis

[marble mantle]

Where’s my assassinmaxxing huh

[faint beacon]

Let’s give em the Maulers Chaxe

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, just make the chaxe 2handed instead of making a whole new weapon.

[marble mantle]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Imo they should slightly change the single handed

[marble mantle]

I don’t really fuck with the one handed chain weapons ngl

[faint beacon]

And add the Mauler Chaxe

[uncut pebble]

Chainswords are ok.

Chaxes being one handed just feels wrong, though.

[faint beacon]

Kinda like how there’s a difference between Chsword and Evis

[sinful swallow]

I don't think regular humies could handle them, they are much larger and based off more complex astartes patterns

[marble mantle]

Honestly man let it blow my karkin shoulder off I don’t know

[uncut pebble]

The one IG assassin group uses them though, no?

[marble mantle]

I yearn for it

[uncut pebble]

Vindicare, if memory serves.

[marble mantle]

I’m just mad we don’t have a sniper yet

Super wack

[faint beacon]

Hoping they eventually add the long-las

[uncut pebble]

Scuse me, vindicare assassins use exitus weaponry.

[faint beacon]

Hopefully they sneak more weapons in with itemization

[uncut pebble]

Close enough in function, though.

[marble mantle]

I hope so

[faint beacon]

But I doubt it

[marble mantle]

Probably not but

Would be nice

[tall torrent]

Vindicare is not part of imperial guard, and they use very specialized equipment that’s made on a person-to-person level

We’re not getting exitus rifle/pistol in this game

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I pulled up their lexicanum entry to brush up on my knowledge.

Quite sad that we won't be seeing stuff like that...

[tall torrent]

Best we’d get is a longlas

Or a lascannon for ogryn

[marble mantle]

I’ll still take it

[uncut pebble]

No volkite either, it seems...

[terse idol]

The best we could see is a premium shop Vindicaire 'like' cosmetic

[uncut pebble]

Volkite would be SO fun to play with.

[marble mantle]

Y’all think zarona has assassin vibes? Or nah

[uncut pebble]

You could quite literally melt a crusher with a volkite weapon.

Armor, flesh, and bone, all reduced to one heaping pile of slag.

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR, canonically a plasmagun would blow a hole into a crusher

[tall torrent]

Nah

[marble mantle]

Any suggestions for what we have already?

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, this is true, but volkite is plasma's cooler older brother.

[marble mantle]

Pairing it with knife obv

[faint beacon]

The crusher falling over and going “Too tough for Ogryn!”

Even though that fucker should be DEAD

[uncut pebble]

It's ok! The plasma only hit his brain!

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1260622985673445426/yes.gif

Guys it’s okay

It only hit his head

[gilded rock]

No, brain so small it could dodge bullet

[tall torrent]

I don’t think any ranged weapon in this game fits for “assassin” lol

[marble mantle]

It hurts so bad 😭

Why did we get infiltrate and no assassin weapons

Damn you fathsark

[tall torrent]

Cuz the rightmost tree is called commando, not assassin

[marble mantle]

Nuh uh (I’m smoking copium)

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s rightmost tree is called death cult assassin

Just saying

[marble mantle]

They didn’t get any assassin range either

Also vet has better drip, and professional sounds more like an assassin

With those code callouts

[clear lantern]

this is like the 1-turn D&D railgun example

[tall torrent]

Nah zealot drip is usually better

Veteran’s drip is literally clipping hell

[marble mantle]

Personal preference I think

[marble mantle]

Ok yeah true

[tall torrent]

Incorrect muscle render / cosmetic clipping

Or it looks basic as hell

[marble mantle]

Best zealot drip in my opinion is the new Expiator hood

[tall torrent]

Waited 10+ rotations for an actual full body armor set

They’re really trying not to give veteran full body armor

[marble mantle]

Seriously yeah

[clear lantern]

at least we get gloves; psyker don't even got those.

[marble mantle]

I just feel like this is pretty close to a militarized assassin

[tall torrent]

Enforcer Psyker’s gloves are so much cooler than veteran’s

[clear lantern]

cohesive

[marble mantle]

Thanks! Especially because I play on Xbox and can’t do mods lol

[tall torrent]

Also all backpacks on veteran clip into the armor vests because FS messed up models

[faint beacon]

Sitting here watching you guys discuss veteran clothing

[clear lantern]

I use the blue digicamou pants/vest so with the digicamou backpack

[marble mantle]

That shit makes me angry I won’t lie

[umbral scaffold]

The desert-ish camo outfit from the vet penances is pretty dope

[marble mantle]

I fuck with that

[faint beacon]

And I’m contemplating giving into the voices and actually buying and playing Faith: Unholy Trinity

[hearty panther]

im always like "man these guardsmen skin look so stupid" but then i look at 40k models and go "oh right"

[uncut pebble]

I fucking HATE the collar on all vet's chest pieces. It makes fashion so bad!

[tall torrent]

This is what I settled for

[uncut pebble]

Like, I bought the one metal helmet with the blue coif underneath, but it clips through literally every single collar.

[marble mantle]

I fuck with that. I also bought that chest and legs.

[faint beacon]

Clipping hell

[uncut pebble]

The cosmetic is completely unusable.

[marble mantle]

Wish I had more helmets but I literally just started on vet so I don’t have much

[umbral scaffold]

I use the garrison cap

Need nothing else

[uncut pebble]

I like the waywatcher set with a krieger helmet.

[marble mantle]

I like all of my skin being covered

[uncut pebble]

The one that looks like it could be zealout armor.

[marble mantle]

It as much of it as possible

[tall torrent]

Yea that one goes hard, looks like krieg grenadier

[uncut pebble]

Chainmail and flak with candles on the shoulder.

I also adore the enforcer fits.

[marble mantle]

I same

[tall torrent]

Enforcer legs are peak

[uncut pebble]

The entire enforcer set for all 4 classes are peak.

[tall torrent]

I don’t like the big shoulder armor pieces on veteran tho

[uncut pebble]

They just look so good.

[tall torrent]

Other 3 have normal sized shoulder armor

[midnight totem]

They look terrible except ogryns

[uncut pebble]

I wish psyker head cosmetics weren't so atypically ugly af.

[clear lantern]

the thing is that, whether intentional or not, a lot of sets are mismatched, and the most cohesive pants are in a different set than the chest piece.

[uncut pebble]

Most psi collars are either way too large, have a piece that sits on the head itself that are ugly, or the entire cosmetic is just nasty looking.

[clear lantern]

just going off of color patterns

[uncut pebble]

And one thing that REALLY irks me is the witchshroud cosmetic.

[faint beacon]

It’s why I run the steel legion set

[uncut pebble]

It clips with just about every hairstyle.

[faint beacon]

Well other than I’m a SL fan

It’s just decent

[tall torrent]

Every single steel legion fan I’ve seen is a dedicated krieg hater

[faint beacon]

I’m neutral on Krieg they’re cool

I know why

SL used to be THE gas mask regiment

Krieg stole that from them

[tall torrent]

My main gripe with steel legion fit is that

For a regiment called the “steel legion” they surely do wear little to no armor

[last parcel]

steel is stored in the balls

[tall torrent]

Still waiting for tempestus scion fit

[faint beacon]

Their tactics are mechanized infantry

[tall torrent]

We alrdy got Cadian Kasrkin

[faint beacon]

They’ve been around for fucking ages

It’s the reason I don’t go oh they shouldn’t exist

[tall torrent]

The tempestus scion armor was added a while back but wasn’t finished

I’m not expecting Lucifer black ever

And Tanith 1st & only is prob not coming lol

[faint beacon]

Also by mechanized infantry I mainly mean they utilize chimeras to push infantry in as well as obviously Leman Russ tanks etc etc

[tall torrent]

Yea ik, still no body armor feels wrong to me

[faint beacon]

I know Scions exist for a good chunk of regiments

Honestly thinking about it I think the reason why SL doesn’t really have armor like Cadians do is cause they’re more focused on using their vehicles

Krieg has like minor armor

[tall torrent]

Krieg has very minor armor

[faint beacon]

But I think it’s the same situation with SL and DKOK

[midnight totem]

They have armor

Flak vests

[faint beacon]

They’re both from death worlds thus they worry more about the outfit keeping them alive then armor

[faint beacon]

I’d assume such seeing that’s standard issue

[uncut pebble]

Kriegers only wear armor to protect vitals iirc.

[tall torrent]

We need more voice types

[uncut pebble]

Everything else is "unnecessary" to them.

[tall torrent]

There’s no voice pack that rly suits krieg in this game

[midnight totem]

There are many different kinds grades of flak armor

[uncut pebble]

We do need a krieger personality.

[midnight totem]

Some are minor, some are major

[faint beacon]

Kevlar padding I can really assume?

[uncut pebble]

Well, yeah, obviously, but I'm saying the only parts they're covering up are their vitals.

Heart, lungs, etc.

[midnight totem]

Pretty much. It'd be under their great coat

[uncut pebble]

Stuff that'll kill you instantly or damn near instantly if shot.

[midnight totem]

And then you see officers and engineers

With heavier stuff

[tall torrent]

They have armor vests outside of their coats

[faint beacon]

I mean I guess to lay out some basics obviously here’s the standard uniforms

[midnight totem]

And because this is 40k

The cadian's obvious flak armor is just as good as the kreiger's not visible armor

[severe gale]

do it do it

[faint beacon]

Also honestly this makes the most sense for SL and DKOK

Cause those are pretty fucking big trench coats

[midnight totem]

Look at Ciaphas Cain

He's always got a flak vest under that coat

And we have veteran cosmetics where we have armor under a coat

[mortal horizon]

rashad + double barrel I use with this build.
Anything im doing wrong/missing that should really be used?
I was debating between precision strikes vs deadshot, and with the double barrel since i single fire hot swap with melee a lot i was thinking the 30% weakpoint dmg is better?

[tall torrent]

Probably swap reciprocity to CQKZ

[mortal horizon]

oh decent idea, i figured the crit would be good in melee and also when hotswapping to hopefully trigger manstopper more reliably. but i probably dont need it

[tall torrent]

Also consider krak over frag? Saves 1 point for u to spec into smth like marksman

[mortal horizon]

yes, i also run the build this way for the +1 point. what is marksman i cant find it?
I just like frags better as a grenade, tbh. I can kill crushers with axe

i do swap back and forth tho

[tall torrent]

Bottom left side, red node

[last parcel]

right of superiority complex. +20% power on weakspot hit for 10s after ability activation

[mortal horizon]

I usually grab On Your Toes with that extra point toughness regen but that sounds good too

is deadshot at all worth it over precision strikes for rashad + double barrel? or nah

crit on double barrel mode is kinda nice

[tall torrent]

Deadshot is ok too

[mortal horizon]

ok cool ty

[marble mantle]

Honestly you don’t really need deadshot if you’re running WS

But up to you

[tame lodge]

I tried using Deadshot on WS because the Ciag has horrible recoil pattern until it becomes stable
Of course having Invigorated to replenish 20% stamina

Turns out I didn't like it

[marble mantle]

I mean it’s not bad it’s just kinda unnecessary

So hey

For tac reload

How does it work with zarona? You load one bullet at a time, so my assumption is that tac reload kicks in after the first bullet is loaded

Same with shotguns

Trying to decide whether I wanna run always prepared or tac reload

[tall torrent]

No

[marble mantle]

Wack

[tall torrent]

Tac reload only works if you reloaded while your weapon had 1+ ammo loaded prior

[marble mantle]

You have to start a whole new reloading animation?

Dumb

Always prepared it is

[marble mantle]

I’m curious what they’re gonna do with melk’s after the itemization update

Like what will be the point

It’s like a 1-100 you get an actually good roll on something, and probably by then you’ll already have a better version or close enough to it via mastery

[tall torrent]

U get weapons that start off with perks & blessings u might not yet have in mastery progression

Like a shortcut to playing with a kitted out weapon

[marble mantle]

Yeah I guess that’s fair, just seems strange. Rarely worth after the update

[tall torrent]

May not be as optimal as u want, but it’s better than having no perks or blessings

[marble mantle]

I hear that, and it’s not really a me thing since I rarely buy anything from melk anyway. It just seems like it’ll have an awkward position

[tall torrent]

It already is in an awkward spot because Melk’s garage sale is 95% garbage

[marble mantle]

Yeah

Should I change unyielding to something else? Or keep it

[midnight totem]

Writing up notes on implementing a long las lasrifle, power fist, and rotary cannon into vet's arsenal

[marble mantle]

Mmmmmmmm power fist

That would be cool

Mmmmmm longlas

That would be cool

[midnight totem]

Power fist would fill the niche of a heavier vet only melee weapon

[marble mantle]

Give em the ol’ 👊 💥

[midnight totem]

In comparison to zealots, they have the eviscerator and thunder hammer

[marble mantle]

A power knife would be cool too, not that I really know how it’d work

But neat

[midnight totem]

Powerfist with side to side vanguard lights, third light is an uppercut. Two strike down heavies. First is a punch, second is a hammer down

[marble mantle]

Block has arms up like in boxing, and the push attack is a sweet jab

[midnight totem]

No energize or rev mechanic for the power fist like the hammer or power sword

[marble mantle]

Oh damn always active huh?

[midnight totem]

It automatically energizes for heavy attacks

[marble mantle]

That’s sweet

It would be sick as hell to beat the shit out of a crusher

[midnight totem]

Push attack I haven't decided on. Thinking it'd be a backhand vanguard sweep

[marble mantle]

Oh that could be cool

[midnight totem]

Goes directly into the third light, the uppercut

Or the second strike down heavy

Could use the first for ragers, second for maulers and crushers

Push attack, uppercut to stagger, line up that energized heavy

This is what I have in mind for the special attack though

It's a sort of parry, you hold up the power fist defensively and energize it

If they strike it in melee, you lose no stamina and they get knocked back or staggered, or even briefly shocked and paralyzed

(Doesn't work on monstrosities)

[marble mantle]

I fuck with that

[midnight totem]

You'd have the standard blessings, headtaker, slaughter, thrust, skull crusher, hammerblow

And I have a couple of unique ones in mind too

Bloody Fisted - (totally not a heretical reference to xenos scum!) Killing elites or specials increases attack speed for a short amount of time

[limpid ore]

Doesn't a power fist need an exoskeleton

[midnight totem]

No

Thunderous Discharge - successful parries increase power briefly

Maybe that's a bad name

[marble mantle]

It is

Cool idea though

[midnight totem]

Righteous Retaliation? Fuck it I'll decide later

[umbral scaffold]

I live to see the day a dclaw parry can one-shot a crusher

[midnight totem]

Last blessing idea I had was one where everytime you used the special attack and charged up in the parry you regained a little toughness and/or stamina

[tame lodge]

[midnight totem]

Aye. It's like that

Except successful parries only

Retribution. Well call it retribution

[white wharf]

is the Krieger dream of running a viable helbore build dead? Or am I just doing it wrong? Been tweaking and testing and it just hits like a wet newspaper it feels like.

[wanton dawn]

Eww, zealot talk in vet chat

[tall torrent]

Helbore needs specific build for 1 shot headshot breakpoints

[hearty panther]

you can basically play it as more sword than gun

the bayonets are that strong on the I and II

[white wharf]

hmm, yea I noticed that

[somber axle]

Depends on what variant of Helbore and if you're doing Exe Stance or VoC/Infil

As an example I run a funny Helbore Mk II build using Exe Stance. Without Exe Stance the Mk II needs Unarmoured to meet the 1HKO Dreg Gunner breakpoint and Maniac for the 1HKO breakpoint on both flamers. Exe Stance clears both consistently so I can ignore both perks and grab Carapace on my Mk II instead lowering the total shots from 5-7 shots per Crusher for the Helbore Mk II without Carapace or Exe Stance down to a consistent 2HKO during Exe Stance per Crusher

If you want to run Voice of Command or Infiltrate you'll generally need Unarmoured and Maniac to consistently meet the Dreg Gunner and Flamer breakpoints unless you play around maintaining the Agile Engagement buff which makes it much less consistent

[last parcel]

fire team + skirmisher

[somber axle]

Lacking Carapace while using VoC or Infil means you will need 5-7+ shots per Crusher and at that point you will need to swap melee or bring Kraks instead for dealing with Crushers

Keep in mind that Helbore Mk II gets Surgical and Shock Trooper so you will also likely kill targets for free

Plus I prefer the Helbore Mk II (and the Helbore Mk I) for the bayonet thrust

Helbore Mk III can be built to one shot pretty much anything you see but it has the awful bayonet swing

[hearty panther]

but man the MKIII is an absolute cannon lol

[somber axle]

It really is

It hits VERY hard

I just prefer the breakpoints on the Helbore Mk II and how fast it fires with 75%+ Charge Rate stat and Weight of Fire IV

So speedy

[copper shell]

imo best part about mk2 is the insane boss dps

makes slogs like borgle really fast if you can get clean los

[hearty panther]

back when we had boss damage on ult pre-trees MKIII would crit one shot BoNs easily in the back

two taps for most of the rest

oh the weakened monstros i should say

it was funny stuff

a ranged thammer

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cum-50bmg-barret-demolition-ranch-nut-gif-21841016

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[wanton dawn]

Subtle (yes i saw your deleted msg)

[hearty panther]

get lasered idjit

[last parcel]

they didnt lie, that necronussy can squirt

[tame lodge]

Haha he died and gave her PTSD

Silly

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-guards-woman-guard-imperial-guard-gif-17348510

[tame lodge]

💀

[somber axle]

Idk how the Imperial Guard even fight the Necrons

[wanton dawn]

I though the laser just destroyed the brain ?

[hearty panther]

with bodies

[somber axle]

It seems surreal to imagine that being anything more than just an absolute slaughterfest

[hearty panther]

same as everything else

[last parcel]

there was that scene where they dropped kraks from the tree tops

and that one where they bayonet charged to hold the necrons in place for artillery spam

[somber axle]

Necron rifles apparently destroy things on a molecular level and even things like Space Marines die in a single blow. To be shot by one is agonizing because immediately your body begins to fall apart and so does your mind. Memories begin to be erased one by one and very quickly. It's like advanced level alzheimer's and your body rapidly disintegrating all at once afaik

Or wait that might be the Deathmark Rifles only

Armour is basically useless regardless of the quality vs Deathmark shots though

Doesn't matter what kind of metal you wear because it will be dust

[hearty panther]

jesus, can i just install your shitty gif library discord

[somber axle]

They killed Gods at the height of their power

Mere men are no match

[hearty panther]

open it by accident and it just demolishes my phone for a minute

[wanton dawn]

Discord gif are my guilty pleasure

Guess it is like minion for facebook boomer

[hearty panther]

to be slightly fair to it i had YouTube going on a splitsceeen

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-chungus-weeb-poggers-gif-20483253

[hearty panther]

but like shit idk maybe dont load up all the gifs simultaneously

can we do that

[wanton dawn]

"Darktide" give some interesting result

[last parcel]

hop on

[wanton dawn]

I think i know who to blame

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[blazing fossil]

Recommendations for a vet melee weapon other than chain weapons?

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/nexter-hello-chat-darktide-drennt-ogryn-gif-287661548060805892

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/afham-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-jimmy-mcgill-gif-25559831

[tame lodge]

Knife
Power sword
Rashad combat axe

[marble mantle]

Knife 🤤

[tame lodge]

Ugh knife

[marble mantle]

Knife make me go ooh la la ooh yeah

[heavy rover]

Shovel

Power maul

[midnight totem]

Shock maul

Power maul is bigger

[lucid hinge]

good bye 3 krak nades

I will miss you

[shy oracle]

Anyone have a cool vader veteran VI psword build?

i just want to walk slowly foward and evicerate

[lucid hinge]

VoC with weapon spec keystone would work I think but idk I don't mess around with WS to really know

[hearty panther]

VoC pairs great with a talent tree, a melee, and a ranged option

[lucid hinge]

I was just saying WS thematically but you can already just walk up to things and turn them into dust with a decently rolled PS6

[terse idol]

WS is really good

[lucid hinge]

yes

[last parcel]

i took talents judging by how darth vadery the name is
someone else can make a normal build

[lucid hinge]

the lack of field improv does something to my brain

and it's not good

[last parcel]

improvise this fist up your ass

[pallid jetty]

i feel the need of grenades from crates so many times, i start to think that i need to pick it on my every vet build

[lucid hinge]

I will GET you

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/me-me-when-me-when-i-fucking-get-you-cat-meme-gif-11951524978932010156

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/angy-cat-angry-kitty-sitting-kitti-gif-20632614

don't wanna

[clear lantern]

Pre-C'tan rewrite, gauss weapons would destroy Space Marine geneseed, so the marines would have issues replenishing their ranks. Whether it's like that since the fluff was remake in the last decade is your best guess; I don't have the current rulebook for Necrons.

[hard cave]

how should I build this? I have it gets hot 4 on another plasma gun

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

That's extra terrifying. I didn't know about that part. Retconned or not it's wild that Necrons can so easily replenish their numbers, have such powerful tech and counter Space Marines to such a high degree

The only reason the Empire is still ok is entirely because the Necrons are too busy napping to care LOL

If they ever properly wake up it's probably over for humanity

[terse idol]

Yeag

I mean problemtically the necroms just have a planet destroying weapon that they just

Press sometimes

[hollow warren]

I've finally completed the smelly missions

[terse idol]

And a planet somewhere in the galaxy explodes

I try not to think how incredibly OP necrons are

[junior needle]

The orrery, and it's a sun going out iirc

[somber axle]

That's the galaxy map yeah? That's not a weapon

[terse idol]

Oooh

No there is a weapon like that like soldier pointed out

[junior needle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Celestial_Orrery

[somber axle]

Ah ok

I know the galaxy map thing can destroy worlds including Tera but it is currently in control of a Necron who just really likes looking at it and will absolutely murder anyone who tries to use it as a weapon

[junior needle]

Less of a weapon and more of a galactic gardening tool

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly

Destroying worlds is not the purpose

[junior needle]

It also makes the sun go supernova

[somber axle]

It can but that's not even a Necron weapon

[junior needle]

Not destroy planets

[somber axle]

I mean wouldn't the sun going supernova spell doom for any nearby worlds?

[junior needle]

I'm not sure of what the thing you're referring to is

Yes, but it's a big difference

[somber axle]

I have a very limited knowledge of 40k stuff mainly just stuff I've read or heard from friends so idk if this is the same thing you linked or something else

I haven't touched any of the Black Library novels, just read some excerpts online or watched tiny tidbits from YouTube vids

But anyway the Necrons supposedly had weapons so powerful they mindwiped the knowledge of said weapons from their race to prevent their use, yeah?

[junior needle]

Never heard of that

[somber axle]

It's something I've heard from something but idk what LOL

They killed Gods and those God killing weapons are not in their hands anymore. Humanity had one person who could approach God level power and Necrons could probably easily kill him if they ever woke up and made a concerted effort to do so

[last parcel]

my only source is youtube shorts

[somber axle]

Unironically that's probably where I learned it from LOL

Either that or heard it from a friend telling me 40k lore

[somber axle]

That sounds like the thing

It sounds like the Silent King still possesses the knowledge of said weapons though

The wording seems explicitly written to say he only removed that knowledge from his people, not himself

Even wilder is that the weapons themselves could still exist hidden somewhere

Who knows what toys he has hidden up his sleeve?

It's kinda wild how far behind humanity is behind a lot of the other factions as far as tech/weaponry

They're better than Orks and that's not saying much LMFAO

[arctic rampart]

Thermal resist & Charge rate AFAICT are useless on plasma if you're shooting it the most optimal way. These two stats are dump stats, so since you got multiple dump stats it's pretty easy to get a good plasma. How do you shoot it optimally? You get it to 100% heat then push the cooldown button => shoot twice => push cooldown => shoot twice (repeat as needed). AFAICT thermal & charge rate stats do not effect that part of the mechanic. Gets Hot is by far the most important blessing so I'd reroll that to 4. Personally I'd prefer 4 gets hot over switching unyielding 25% (to flak/elite/carapace).

Up to +27.5-50% Critical Chance (scales on Heat Level). it's a big crit rate difference

[lucid hinge]

better than modern orcs at least

kroks are a whole other ball game

[somber axle]

Yeah

Didn't the War of the Beast have Orks so advanced they bordered on Krork level?

[hard cave]

I have it gets hot 4 on another plasma gun

[somber axle]

And they were so powerful they pushed to Tera and told the humans to surrender to their faces

[arctic rampart]

Excellent, time to eat that gun and put it on the new one.

Did you finish upgrading that blue one, if so what did you end up with?

[junior needle]

Only a handful of the orks were krork level, but yes

[drowsy leaf]

more cleave on a power sword or more damage

[tame lodge]

Sunder

[clear lantern]

like, there's some fluff that the Necrons could close the eye of terror if they wanted to, they just don't care. They didn't seem to want anything to do with expansion, just leave their tomb worlds alone (but you don't get to know what are tomb worlds, hah hah hah); the Eldar kept trying to be like, "these dudes are going to fuck up everything" but they kind of get backseated to Hive Leviathan and the 'nids from the galactic northeast as an extragalactic threat.

[drowsy leaf]

ah, dont have that one

to the hadron casino!

[daring rampart]

hey just rolled a 380 cadian chainsword but the finese on it is only like 62

should i re roll or is that sufficient

[last parcel]

brutal momentum is also good

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR

[thorn lark]

chainsword are finesse weapons so...

[terse idol]

Don't forget the Necrons made the Krork to fight the tyranids

The whole 'war in heaven' certainly explains how powerful things really are

now to be fair, like Humanity before the horus hersey was doing pretty good

Alot of technology that was more advanced developed

Before... uh it was lost

[last parcel]

horse hershey's

[somber axle]

Yeah but like humanity is borderline bottom of the tech totem pole LOL

Eldar, Tau, Necron all have superior tech

Orks are the only ones with worse tech

And Krorks were way beyond Empire tech too

Idk if you can even count the tyranids but they cross unknown space in ways beyond humanity too

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIIR

Like pre heresy stuff wasn't thaaat bad

Maybe you're right doe

And I'm coping

Tyranids just

The issue with Tyranids is they literally were so powerful that the necrons made a new race to fight them

So yeeahh

The scale just kinda goes wacky

[faint beacon]

reminder they never really went anywhere big with the Dark Mechanicus Post-Heresy

and it makes me upset

[terse idol]

Real

Mechanichus but chaos

[faint beacon]

It literally could've just been like what Hereteks are

no its just

What if we put a daemon in this

call it a day

[somber axle]

The Empire is mainly carried by faith and being able to just war of attrition their way into victory through sheer numbers and collective firepower via the Guard. Anything the Guard can't win they throw the Space Marines at. If the Space Marines can't win there's not really many options left LOL

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kaiser-of-prusian-cat-gif-21902237

[somber axle]

And winning through sheer numbers doesn't work against something like the Tyranids

[terse idol]

If the space marines can't win they send Grey Knights

[narrow bay]

Real talk, pre age of strife humanity would definitely be very high up the tech totem pole

[terse idol]

Then, through plot armour a primaris wakes up

[somber axle]

They have the numbers advantage by a significant margin LOL

[faint beacon]

Look im just saying I love the idea of Hereteks simply being, those who still wish for the Imperium to improve right and simply wish to invent but obviously thats heresy

[terse idol]

See that works!

If they didn't just swear feality to chaos

This is

[somber axle]

Didn't they have the Men of Iron or whatever? The robot AI things that were so powerful they turned on humanity and ended up getting AI banned?

[terse idol]

Rapidly reminding me of Chaos dwarfs

From Warhammer Fantasy

[faint beacon]

Look im just

im a big fan of actual hereteks

not

[faint beacon]

Dark mechanicus

[faint beacon]

Literally why I find them to be cool

minus the slaving but 🤫

[terse idol]

A small price to pay

😌

[narrow bay]

Yes, none the less the tech is far beyond what most have accomplished

[faint beacon]

Literally just, you killed an entire ork tribe that was threatening our workers with a revolt? yeah you're getting honored big today

[thorn lark]

that's excellent

where does that come from?

[terse idol]

Hmm?
Warhammer fantasy mainly

[faint beacon]

Fantasy Warhammer

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-cheiften-skaven-cheiften-guitar-rat-gif-24492026

[faint beacon]

God one of my friends is a huge skaven fan

she refuses to not talk normally when referencing them

[somber axle]

Idk I think Necron and Eldar would still be beyond them

[terse idol]

As a major kobold enjoyer myself, I do prefer Skaven

[somber axle]

Probably Tau too but the gap is closer

[terse idol]

Wait.. .maybe there's overlap now that I think about it

[thorn lark]

I have been DMing wfrpg for 20 years now lol i am asking for the source of the comic

[faint beacon]

Im more of a lizardman enjoyer

I think its hilarious this prehistoric civilization just refuses to die

[terse idol]

Uh, it's most likely a

Reddit/4chan meme

With the ways things are repurposed and reposted, I have noooo idea

But it has that like reddit/4chan style so probably some artist

[faint beacon]

Good chunk of those jokes tend to spawn from 4chan

[faint beacon]

It will never not be funny knowing they use comically large hamsterwheels to smash into the nearest object

[terse idol]

for sure

[blazing fossil]

Which knife is it that's the best? and what perks should I have on it?

[thorn lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1220272869234184253/Veteran_Guide.pdf?ex=66a0046b&is=669eb2eb&hm=c5edf86009f0bd3388006f4d315f031fa0779000e75b4394a9791680bbcd6dda&

[narrow bay]

MK III Combat Blade

[junior needle]

Mk3 is not the best

6 is overwhelmingly considered the best

But that's if you're willing to not light spam

[pearl tiger]

are there any pretty general recommendations for weapon/talent loadouts for beginners?

[gilded rock]

Voice of Command is by far the most beginner friendly ability

Talent loadout depends on what weapons you are bringing oherwise

In terms of grenades, kraks are generally the best to have

[marble mantle]

Worth keeping?

[somber axle]

Yeah very worth keeping imo

80% damage and ammo stats are good, blessings are ok (even if no Headhunter). You could swap the perks to Flak + Maniac or Flak + Crit Chance

The crit chance might be more attractive since no Headhunter

Dum Dum and Infernus will be awkward without Headhunter but if you're a fan of Weapon Specialist or if you are ok with using Deadshot + Target Down you can still get ok value out of Infernus

Weapon Specialist is only the first shot as a guaranteed crit but Recons all have a crit string of 2 so that's a guaranteed 2 crits for 8 stacks on whatever you first shoot on weapon swap

Infernus gets the DoT damage improved by Dum Dum and the ticks also help stack Dum Dum slightly faster (which isn't a big deal but is also something worth noting I guess)

Usually I'd only ever do Dum Dum + Infernus on a Psyker but both perks are really bad so it's definitely better to swap the perks instead

Once the crafting update comes out and breaks the locks you could swap Infernus to Headhunter

or you could keep the Dum Dum + Infernus combo if you like it that way

I just really, really like Headhunter on the Recons for how well it synergizes with Shock Trooper and Infernus (though the ideal blessing to have is still Dum Dum)

[spare mountain]

worth nabbin?

[devout comet]

Unironically one of the best I’ve seen, change those perks to something else and you have a perfect recon

[devout comet]

Yep

[wary wharf]

This better not awaken anything in me

[last parcel]

you fool, you will now only be able to get off to surgeon femboys with bolters and getting pinned by superior numbers

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/what-facts-ikr-true-true-no-cap-gif-23653150

[fair river]

Idea

Hotshot starts with large spread but gradually becomes more accurate as you stabilize your grip on it

Wait shit I forget

Are hellguns automatic?

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

Most people who have proposed the idea in the past have gone for the "you become a relatively immobile emplacement while firing rapidly".

[tall torrent]

Hotshot volleyguns, yes
Hotshot lasguns, supposedly yes

[midnight mortar]

Like how the Scab Gunners stand still and take up a braced firing stance.

[narrow bay]

Tanner Lindberg Maybe?

[marble mantle]

Would be great for MF

[marble mantle]

Oh fuckin sweet

[tall torrent]

It’s alr, prob swap both perks and just run crit stuff in talents

Could consider 5% crit chance perk + 5% Crit chance talent