veteran-class

[hearty panther]

i would prefer they just fire straight through the bulwark entirely

that interaction is immensely unfun

[hidden torrent]

new penances to claim btw

[shadow aurora]

I was a little made earlier sorry about that

[hearty panther]

nah i getchu

[shadow aurora]

The one bulwark issue i was talking about was

A very specific situation

[hearty panther]

its frustrating because they are literally made to frustrate

but its a bit like reading comments about the tox bomber where people said it sucks how he can zone you out of entire areas and force you to reposition

and its like

yeah??? <.<

and??

[shadow aurora]

I didnt like tox bombers at first but i dont mind them now

The real issue is the people who don't prioritize shooting them

[hearty panther]

correct

pizzaaaa

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-spin-gif-2682561540212899714

The fact this gif isn't a perfect loop makes me want to hurt people

[uncut pebble]

My problem with bombers in general is that they like to sit in places where you physically can't get a sightline on them and spam grenades.

[somber axle]

I love tox bombers

Mach 5 Muties

I wish Exe Stance highlight worked through tox clouds but it is neat that they don't

Makes them more threatening

[shadow aurora]

Hard to tell where they are sometimes. I had one on the library final event that was constantly chucking grenades up at the servo writer from down below

[uncut pebble]

I'm meaning more like they sit at points of no return and spam their grenades.

Chasm terminus is notorious for this.

[shadow aurora]

Yeah i know

[somber axle]

Sometimes tox bombers like to throw their first bomb from the comfort of behind spawn where you literally cannot shoot them or see them but they always properly run into the map after

[shadow aurora]

I was just adding that

[uncut pebble]

Well yeah they're in the map but nobody can physically see the bastard.

[hearty panther]

fukken hab dreyko

[shadow aurora]

Hab dreyko my beloved❤️

Favorite map

Unironically

[hearty panther]

i'd mind it less if i wasnt always the guy doing the auspex lol

[somber axle]

The best is when you have three tox bombers loose and blanketing the entire map in green

[shadow urchin]

Mayhaps they be too quiet? Some skull jongling might help. Ye know the sound when you rattle skulls together? That's a jongle.

[uncut pebble]

I dont think you're understanding what I'm saying.

I know where the bomber is, but I can't physically kill him.

I can neither get to him or get to a spot where I can see him.

[somber axle]

I've got skulls~
That jingle, jangle, jongle~

[shadow aurora]

He means theyre chucking nades from behind cover where you cant shoot them at all

[shadow urchin]

Aye, but they could be jongling back there and ye wouldn't know.

Tis an additional note, not a substitute

[hearty panther]

aim for the jongler

[uncut pebble]

Give them the pole rat sound from vt2 (I forget their name).

[shadow urchin]

Aye, now that's a rat that knows how to jongle!

[shadow aurora]

Why doesn't batemen kill jongler? Is he stupid???

[somber axle]

Can we get a pole rat in Darktide too

[uncut pebble]

NO.

[shadow aurora]

YES!

[somber axle]

I want more disablers LMFAO

[shadow urchin]

Holy shit it's the Jockey from L4D2!

[uncut pebble]

We don't need more disabler specialists...

[hearty panther]

what we need is a blightstormer

[uncut pebble]

Leeches...

[shadow urchin]

Leech stormer

[uncut pebble]

Leeches are so much worse than blightstormers.

[shadow aurora]

I think a duelist type enemy would be really cool

[somber axle]

Can we get an enemy Psyker

[shadow urchin]

It's a leechnado!

[shadow aurora]

Fartmancer

[tulip shoal]

anybody have a good method to do on overwatch?

[shadow aurora]

Take knife

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[tulip shoal]

thanks

[shadow aurora]

WAIT OVERWATCH IS HEALTH DAMAGE???

I did that entire thing without getting hit at all by melee

What a waste of time

[marble mantle]

The huh

[marble mantle]

: (

I think mutants are the closest thing we have to blightstormers

They forcibly displace you

[tulip shoal]

wish id have known that

[shadow aurora]

Really gotta love how good fs is with descriptions

[somber axle]

Yeah LOL

[shadow aurora]

Thats such bs

If i knew that i would've gotten that penance out of the way so much earlier

[somber axle]

Infiltrate makes it much easier to with Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes

You can do it on Malice difficulty too

Malice Low Intensity

[shadow aurora]

I did it with voc knife

[somber axle]

Plus you can underhand drop shredder frag grenades without breaking Infiltrate Stealth

[shadow aurora]

Cant hit me if you cant catch up to me

[somber axle]

I am at work or I would have copy pasted my thing LOL

[lyric dock]

I did overwatch the old fashion way before you kids had these fancy yells and camo tech

[somber axle]

The old way was a better camo stance

Literally just stand still

And every enemy on the map regardless of distance forgets you exist

[lyric dock]

Still doesn't stop the game from BSing a bruiser duo or rager behind your ass

[somber axle]

You didn't need an ally close to make use of it like Low Profile

It just worked everywhere LOL

[hearty panther]

nah you did need allies nearby

[somber axle]

Old Camo Stance was such a broken talent

[hearty panther]

it also didnt work at all if you were alone

[somber axle]

It didn't work if the rest of the squad was dead

[hearty panther]

but it did turn on the second you stopped moving

so it was incredibly obnoxious

[somber axle]

But I have distinct memories of standing across a room by myself way beyond coherency range completely still

As an entire horde walks by

Specials and elites charging

Away from me

LMFAO

[hearty panther]

maybe then, i wont claim to have used it all that much

[somber axle]

It was so goofy and had a much further effective range than Low Profile

[lyric dock]

I didn't really use it

Makes you really pay attention to the whoosh of a incoming melee and watching your area

[somber axle]

Launch Vet was broken OP

[lyric dock]

And to this still paying for the sins

[hearty panther]

launch vet was broken

i dunno about OP

it was definitely stupid binary

[somber axle]

Infinite Exe Stance and like 80% TDR just existing

[lyric dock]

Pre-u13 vet was very powerful

[hearty panther]

you were either a secret space marine or you were just some dipshit with a gun

all depended on your ult

[somber axle]

You could stand out in front of gunner lines and just not care

And people did

[lyric dock]

And this was the era you give at least 1 ammo minimal to a weapon

[somber axle]

LOL

[lyric dock]

So you can basically sustain somehting like the Revolver with no issues

[somber axle]

Launch Vet was so goofy

[hearty panther]

WHO WOULD WIN
four of the moebian 6's most elite ogryn warriors
OR
one bananaboi with a gun

[shadow aurora]

Bananaboi?

[hearty panther]

fukken bananabois

[shadow aurora]

Oh

[hearty panther]

yeah shooters used to be terrifying

and vets used to be ridiculous

200 base toughness

800 with ult

[shadow aurora]

I thought you were referring to the secret 5th custode archetype

[hearty panther]

just walk through rooms, who cares

bolter with 100% pinning fire

autoreload and toughness regain

just dum

yes

ugh

so much time spent hitting 145+ effective toughness

so that one salvo wouldnt immediately send you into a spiral

not totally free

but kinda

3 x 10% in the tree

feel no pain caps at 25% now

they dont sitll have that innate do they

of 25% TDR and HDR

so do they or dont they lol

w/e number it is

i play so little ogryn

[drowsy aspen]

Fools...

Ogryn is strongest class

[hearty panther]

hes so clunky

i just have trouble vibing with them

ill like, dodgeslide to a shooter and swap my ranged out to suppress

and the gun just wont shoot

until the slide ends

so annoying

[marble mantle]

Everything just feels so much slower on Ogryn tbh

That’s my biggest issue

And they have so much less variety

[hidden torrent]

Ogryn is easiest class tbh

[marble mantle]

Definitely but pretty boring in my opinion

[hearty panther]

im not a fan of them putting all their fukken eggs in the heavy attack basket thats for sure

[hidden torrent]

well yeah

[marble mantle]

I like indomitable but that’s about it tbh

[hidden torrent]

dont tell smikers that

who go down in 1 ms

[hearty panther]

hate it

[hidden torrent]

smite is objectively the most boring ability since it makes everyone else's game boring too

[marble mantle]

Idk man assail is pretty boring

[hidden torrent]

thats really true

assail feels bad to use mio

[marble mantle]

It so low effort

[hidden torrent]

Psyker as a class is boring imo

everything is auto aim

dueling sword is strong

void strike is really strong

Trauma is also strong

[marble mantle]

Trauma is really strong

Purg is really strong, soulblaze is really strong

[hearty panther]

thats because yall havent reached the level of recon smyker

the pinnacle of psyker

[hidden torrent]

I can play psyker one game per week before I want to uninstall

[hearty panther]

yeah DD is mega accessible now

creeping flames has always been overtuned

[marble mantle]

I shrimply do not

[hidden torrent]

I only like playing psyker to put down non bubble shields

[hearty panther]

luv wall

[hidden torrent]

I feel like I save teamates all the time

and that feels rewarding

which Ogryn do I play rn? Throd or Pissfreak

[uncut pebble]

Double shields with the faster brain burst node eats elites alive.

[marble mantle]

Man idk what’s goin on I keep getting absolutely throttled. Sometimes I’ll have games where I’m essentially hard carrying auric damnation and sometimes I’ll have a normal damnation that sweeps me off my feet and lands my teeth on the curb

[tulip shoal]

for on overwatch is it just No health damage or can I take health damage to fire

[marble mantle]

No damage from melee

[tulip shoal]

ok

[lyric dock]

It do be like that sometimes

[marble mantle]

Just very disheartening sometimes 😭

[lyric dock]

Hey. We all have our bad games sometimes

[marble mantle]

Fair

[lyric dock]

Or we're the punching bag for that game

[marble mantle]

That’s what it’s been like

Like the missions ain’t that hard but I feel like I’m the main target

[lyric dock]

Always sucks the game decides to go "Fuck that person"

[marble mantle]

Hey this guy is on a roll - send in the crusher squad, 3 trappers, 3 dogs, more pox bursters than you’d find flies in a dumpster, and like icing on the cake, throw about 20 ragers in there too

Fuck that guy

[lyric dock]

And space them out just Enough that you'll be on your cool down for your "Oh fuck"

[marble mantle]

Exactly

And the best answer I’ll get is

“Just dodge bro”

[lyric dock]

Some Zealot main pushing up their glasses with a 3 page essay on how to solo that encounter with a bricked ass knife and dental floss without taking a single point of damage

[covert timber]

Nah martyr build while trying to dodge damage

[marble mantle]

I’m always tryin to get better but I’ll never be the dude that doesn’t have a job and only plays this game

[lyric dock]

I have 700+ hours and even such a encounter like is too much for me to reasonably handle

[marble mantle]

Jobs?

[covert timber]

Work for FATSHARK then you’ll get the option for tweaking stuff

[marble mantle]

That’s a lot of jobs

[lyric dock]

We love hitting enter early

[marble mantle]

Lollll

[marble mantle]

Naw it’s cool I’m not really complaining about the game, just frustrated with my circumstances sometimes

I very much enjoy the game regardless of whether I’m frustrated or not, or else I wouldn’t be playing it

[lyric dock]

The gameplay loop of Darktide always brings me back

[marble mantle]

The satisfaction of being good

[lyric dock]

Something about just weaving through horde of enemies and then to quickly pull out your range weapon to pop a incoming special and then back to melee combat

[marble mantle]

Exactly

No game quite like it imo

[covert timber]

For me it’s going on hard difficulties that spawn a lot of enemies then it’s getting builds that can solo hordes

[marble mantle]

Right like I love the getting better in every facet

I love the challenge

I’ve been like, obsessed with the movement and satisfaction that the knife gives

[covert timber]

If it gets to difficult just bum it down a notch until it’s good

[lyric dock]

The knife never really clicks with me. GIve me a power sword and I'll start having a great time

[marble mantle]

I’ll switch my ranged weapons for kicks, but I’ve really been enjoying the Columnus braced iag

[marble mantle]

Same

[winter grove]

Try taxes

[marble mantle]

The biggest win for the knives for me is the movement tech.

It’s addicting

Running that with infil, I can make so many clutch moves

I can like totally solo most objectives if the team needs it

[lyric dock]

Infiltrate vet is fun. Enjoy using it on my Revolver build

[marble mantle]

Infil and exe stance are my fav abilities from vet but VOC is no slouch

[warm swallow]

guys

my dasher is currently shopping at walgreens

with my food

[marble mantle]

Enjoy your cold food g

[lyric dock]

WHy I don't use such services

[marble mantle]

Tbf I’ve never really had that problem

[warm swallow]

yeah me neither

[uncut pebble]

Kill him when he arrives. He will have served his purpose.

[warm swallow]

bro a servitor would be better

[lyric dock]

....Now I think of someone that did a crime and became a Servitor....Just to deliver food

[hidden torrent]

Hydration

Drink more water or if your pee is clear eat salt and banana

[marble mantle]

My pee is red what now

[hidden torrent]

Fruit punch

Red pee unlocked

[warm swallow]

he legit just took my order to his house

im reporting this man

asshole stealing my food

[crimson pebble]

He forgor

[hidden torrent]

He wanted ketchup with your burger

[warm swallow]

its wings

from wingstop

[hidden torrent]

Maybe he wanted ranch then

If anyone eats blue cheese you're a heathen

I'm also allergic to mold

[warm swallow]

dripped out for level 4

[tough tiger]

That actually looks good

[umbral scaffold]

"Haha imagine if piss was yellow instead of red" - Socrates

[umbral scaffold]

With that funny drip mod I think you can make the pants into an uniform with a green leg

I can't imagine fashion without it now

[warm swallow]

knife kinda fucks im ngl

[thorn lark]

I see more vet with knives than power sword now

[crimson pebble]

Nature is healing

[umbral scaffold]

People slowly realizing knife is actually a goated generalist weapon

I remember people telling me knife couldn't kill hordes, now I run laps farming scoreboard numbers

[umbral parrot]

Anyone who even thought knives were bad even on release date, are just bad.

Anywho, i'm still a Powersword kind of guy! I love it so much!

[crimson pebble]

Tbh myself included at first most new players when they get the game see crazy shit like power sword thunder hammer chain axe and sword shit like that and think damn thats coo and then see knife and go why the hell would i want to use a knife

[umbral scaffold]

I pity them, for they are not enlightened

The truth is terrible to bear

And by the fucking Emperor, I hope the bear is ok

[crimson pebble]

Truly

[tall torrent]

Knife doesn’t pull the highest scoreboard Dmg numbers as easily compared to power sword/rashad tbh

[umbral scaffold]

It needs the crackset

Long form crackhead mindset

There are few things in life as joyful as rushing a crowd of shooters and chaining perfect heavies on them

[crimson pebble]

How would you rate the antax in comparison to rashad

As i tried rashad and it just felt terribly slow to me

[umbral scaffold]

Antax has a better special tbh

Rashad's takes a coffee before coming out

I think Rashad also has a finesse modifier for extra attack speed?

[radiant chasm]

and extra weakspot damage and (less important) crit damage

[tall torrent]

Did u take +atk speed nodes

[crimson pebble]

Ya the one at the bottom middle unless their was more

[tall torrent]

What class?

[crimson pebble]

Vet

[radiant chasm]

antax is slower than rashad

[umbral scaffold]

Me when the finesse stat has finesse and attack speed

[tall torrent]

Veteran doesn’t have +atk speed in bottom middle

[crimson pebble]

Maybe was zealot

[umbral scaffold]

Vet has trench whatever drill and weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

Trench fighter is pretty much mandatory for Rashad

[umbral scaffold]

Zealot has a bottom middle and inexorable gamings

Combat axe is fucking unplayable without 10%

It's like you're making a polite suggestion to swing

[crimson pebble]

I think my brain just doesnt work well w some weapons as i can only also use the mk2 eviscerator as the newer one felt slow to me aswell

[uncut pebble]

You're gonna want to be using both weapon spec and trench fighter for rashad.

Otherwise you're too slow to do much of anything.

[umbral scaffold]

The more, the better

[umbral parrot]

I'm just going to say it, why people who are trash play I-II-VEG?

[tall torrent]

Antax has better PA & special, lower dmg & atk speed

[radiant chasm]

idk hot take

but rashad has a better PA

not for damage

but for sheer utilty

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure they have same stagger effect

[radiant chasm]

rashad lights and heavies already big damage, the PA is a heavy stagger

no shot

antax PAs are a slice

fartshart pls

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-family-guy-mental-gif-25999400

[tall torrent]

Lemme check

[tall torrent]

staggers scab rager on bodyhit too

this is a grey antax with no blessings for +power

[marble mantle]

What kinda perks and blessings do I get on mk2 recon?

[austere mica]

Vets I swear

Name of Dickot as well

[tame lodge]

Does Antax have Take a Swing?

That 8 cleave on PA

[tall torrent]

no

[uncut pebble]

Tactical axe users, what do I want on one?

[pastel yew]

shred definitely

I think its head taker.. as well

though it might be brutal momentum I don't think its as good on the tac axes

also man figured I'd treat myself... monstrous maelstrom

get 90% of the way through

crash

can't reconnect

[tame lodge]

[pastel yew]

boowomp

also man the bolt pistol with deadshot is so fucking fun

until you run out of stamina

[idle pecan]

is shred good on revos

[pastel yew]

yeah I feel like most people gravitating to the tac axe are going for that spam dps playstyle though

else you'd just use a combat axe

I'm not super familiar though as personally I dont find em that fun

0.0

wtf

I guess that's fair

slow attack speed isn't really a deal breaker for me if they hit hard enough though

I tend to prefer weapons that are slower n heavy hitting as their rhythm feels more like...

not sure how to word it

calculated?

with guns especially it makes your miss shots feel worth something

praying for the day we get a high power slow firing weapon

I tried the mk3 hellbore and man when it hits... its golden

but the pull out and charge speed make it borderline worthless

or well... intitial charge speed* I guess I should say. it's fine when you've got weight of fire stacked but the first shot is way too slow to come out

[gilded rock]

me gently caressing my helbore and tucking it into bed before I can fire it

[pastel yew]

bingo

god they're fun though

yeah I'll just have to craft one up

I went for the 3 first as it was the highest damage per shot

wanted to see what kinda break points I could make on crushers

its like.. fine there

2 to the head normally

I'd imagine you'd need exec stance though

I was running shout for some reason... I cant remember why

i think I needed an extra point to get something fun

so I dropped it

youthink?

I'm really not a fan

I tend only to take it when I need to to get other stuff

don't get me wrong, it's incredibly strong... it just doesn't have the oomph of the others I guess

yeah I mean thats where we differe

I shoot pretty much everything that can be tagged

I might change playstyle when ammo eventually gets nerfed

but for now its fun blowing up gunner heads with bolt pistol one taps

[umbral scaffold]

I'm here to show you guys something incredibly cursed

I forgot to change the blessing to both barrels

Even more cursed

[tall torrent]

yea that's plasma lol

[crimson pebble]

This is almost my infiltrate build its joever

[coral willow]

longlas when

[oak mist]

So how the hell do I get man stopper? I've been trying to get blue hackers for it but it hasn't come up once.

[umbral scaffold]

The build is wacky

Though it does bring me an idea

[oak mist]

It's been like 18 of them already and not a single one has had them

[pearl granite]

pog?

[umbral scaffold]

Opening salvo very likely works with the first half of the new shotgun's ammo

[pearl granite]

what I did is camp the store for about one week. checking it maybe... 5 times per day?

or you can level a new vet to 22 (psyker only need 19 iirc), buy the gun and spend some plasteel

[feral stratus]

Am honestly curious at this point. I know some weapons have immunity to suppression built in. Is this only for Lasguns or do they apply to some other guns?

[crimson pebble]

Do what the above said or keep throwing money at hadron it took me nearly 17k steel

[oak mist]

Well I have gone through at least 16 blue hacks but it again doing it. Is it rare?

[crimson pebble]

Its the same chance as any other t2 blessing

[pearl granite]

not rare BUT at level 30, getting a level 2 blessing is hard

which is why I malded when hadron put a level 1 blessing on my 380...

[oak mist]

Doing it on 19 psyker and this blows

[umbral scaffold]

ok hol up

Deadshot and opening salvo work on the new shotgun

There is gaming afoot

[pearl granite]

how to fix this one? dumdum instead of hit & run?

or headhunter? 🤔

[umbral scaffold]

Headhunter might be a better idea, given it'll give you some mad crit strings

[pearl granite]

for perk I guess it's the usual maniac flak?

the temptation to keep the useless infested perk an put a 25% flak to have 550 weapon

[idle pecan]

Is shred good on revolvers

[idle pecan]

Swap hit to headhunter, swap infested to uny

Very nice gun tho

[umbral scaffold]

This is one of the weirdest fucking things I've done

[pearl granite]

thx. would be nicer if it was a 25% flak 😂

[umbral scaffold]

The whole gimmick of the build is firing the first shotgun shot and reloading

I wish I had manstopper or flechette, but oh well

[marble mantle]

Wait to do that once the itemization update happens lol

[pearl granite]

fat chance I will be promoted to Spacemarine when it happen

[marble mantle]

Honestly I would be more excited about space marines if it wasn’t just a duo game

I really like the 4 player environment especially since I have two friends I usually play games with

[molten hound]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525531301420466229/1223842099967819776/image.png?ex=669dd746&is=669c85c6&hm=907deba50806badb0e3d9a4f6c8497ecf58d240de6347c88b194d5e5574d284f&

[marble mantle]

Lmfao

[idle pecan]

is point blank good on revolvers

also whatshould i change on this

was thinking of doing an always prepared build

[severe gale]

aside from the aesthetics

[idle pecan]

lmao

[severe gale]

terrifying barrage to hand cannon

[idle pecan]

just need more mats for that

[severe gale]

point blank to surgical

[idle pecan]

nah, i need elites as a perk

[severe gale]

why

[idle pecan]

onetap certain enemies like gunners

[severe gale]

oh

fair

[idle pecan]

was gonna change prolly carapace to elite

[severe gale]

unarmored is better for that iirc

[idle pecan]

woult help for tox flamers n shit too

[crimson pebble]

Brahms moment

[marble mantle]

It’s kinda just unrealistic. 2.5s is really not a lot of time, and only for 18%

[idle pecan]

and since im running weapon specialist its super easy to hit

well i hit with sword, switch to revo, hit headshot, switch back

[marble mantle]

I mean you also definitely don’t need point blank if you’re running WS

[pseudo fiber]

Doesn't point blank only activate on the weapon getting a melee kill or did they change that?

[marble mantle]

Also it’s melee kill not hit

[severe gale]

yah, 3 kills and it’s a guaranteed crit

[idle pecan]

PS basically oneshots most enemies

so basically on hit

[severe gale]

they fixed that

[idle pecan]

\

[severe gale]

i think

[pseudo fiber]

Oh good

[pseudo fiber]

Oh bad

[severe gale]

i think they did

fairly certain

[crimson pebble]

If only it was a mk6

[severe gale]

real

[idle pecan]

i plan on getting one here soon

[marble mantle]

Yeah I’m not big on the mk3

[idle pecan]

dw bbg

[pseudo fiber]

Could put sunder on it it'd be good

[severe gale]

i’m pretty small on it

[crimson pebble]

Sunder even after buff mid imo

[marble mantle]

I’m tiny on it tbh

Miniature even

[severe gale]

i’m minuscule on it to be real

[crimson pebble]

Microbic even

[marble mantle]

Honestly I’m infinitesimal on it if I’m being straight up with you

[severe gale]

wrong, joke ruined

death,

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-strangle-strangler-green-screen-jerma985-gif-19817690

[marble mantle]

His arms are unnervingly skinny

[idle pecan]

is always prepared viable to use with the hacker shotgun?

[pseudo fiber]

Is that the one that reloads a shot?

[idle pecan]

yeah

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah 100%

1 shell for 1 melee kill

[oak mist]

NOW WE'RE COOKING WITH GAS

[idle pecan]

bruh

that is fucking awful

228

[oak mist]

Dude, that's not the thing of note

[idle pecan]

were you shooting to get the blessing?

[oak mist]

Uh, yeah?

[idle pecan]

hell yeah

[oak mist]

[midnight totem]

I'm bored

I'm gonna go blow million dockets on trying to roll a new chainsword

and that is a brick

[oak mist]

@idle pecan That is why

[coral willow]

you only need 3 kills

[oak mist]

Good to note, honestly it's amazing what you can do with this thing

[sonic skiff]

was there a sale or something recently

theres a huge surge of every damnation run having one dude who is just out of his depth

dying 9+ times a mission

[pastel yew]

yeah but like... cooler and balanced

[oak mist]

Speaking of which, is scattershot or death spitter better in hacker when you have man stopper?

[pastel yew]

I guess it'd depend

if you're running weapon specialist then scattershot is pointless

if you're not then I can imagine it's a guaranteed pick in combination with manstopper

I don't know if deathspitter is like

good at all

is it just 6.5%?

max

as thats what gameslantern suggests, that sounds p awful

[midnight totem]

Whew, spicy maelstrom

[pastel yew]

;-; I wish I could play the maelstrom without fucking... disconnecting or crashing which seems to be the darktide meta right now

[midnight totem]

Hab drekyo, scab only melee orientated, no ammo

[pastel yew]

that sounds killer

[midnight totem]

I didn't bring scavenger

[oak mist]

Yeah, better to just guarantee the crit anyway,m. I sort though “maybe both barrels” or “flex here sounds neat.” But honestly that last perk slot is kinda just…sitting there

[pastel yew]

I don't think I've ever actually done melee only dreyko

[midnight totem]

My ogryn had a gorgon

And I had a recon vet

[pastel yew]

but thats like... my favourite map and my second favourite condition

[midnight totem]

One psyker though

[pastel yew]

yeah both barrels is what I would go for in terms of strength

[midnight totem]

The other vet died 5 times

[pastel yew]

but run n gun could be hillarious

if its a blessing you're manually setting at least you have the flexibility to try both

[midnight totem]

The rest of us went down at least once, psyker died twice

[pastel yew]

god that sounds rough though

ogryn did not come prepared xd

[midnight totem]

Nah, ogryn was ready

Pickaxe

[pastel yew]

aaaaah okay thats fair

I still would probably have took a dif ranged weapon though

[midnight totem]

The ogryn, psyker and I pretty much carried

[pastel yew]

I would love to understand those players that join and like

die 5+ times

are they having fun

[midnight totem]

They brought the CC, I brought the damage

[pastel yew]

it happens way too often in games to be random players trying their hand at the difficulty for the first time

[midnight totem]

My other vet

I suppose regening krak grenades and ammo upon dying and being revived is useful

[pastel yew]

well the grenade gen happens anyway

[midnight totem]

Aye

[pastel yew]

and I suppose if you're like.. strategically dying to get ammo back but

that seems like it defeats the point of the maelstrom a little

at that point just play regular damnation

[midnight totem]

XD

I mean. I didn't bring scavenger

Or expanded ammo capacity

Just 57 bullets for the entire map

[pastel yew]

oof

[midnight totem]

On my revolver

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean scavenger would have gotten you a great deal

[midnight totem]

And it went down to the wire

Fired my last shot at a dog on the extraction escape

Winner

[pearl granite]

headshotting with my mk2 recon lasgun is fun

[midnight totem]

And of course, from such an advanced mission

My Emperor's Gift was a 1 wound purple curio

Thanks Emps

[coral willow]

stacks 5 times

mostly cause fatshark, again

so total is 32.5% power increase

[pastel yew]

not terrible though not great either

[coral willow]

its power

its great

it buffs cleave also

[midnight totem]

Power is cleave, stagger, not just damage

[coral willow]

that said you'll abuse manstopper anyway

[pastel yew]

I'm just picturing the use case though, you've just guranteed crit destroyed a bunch of shit

so now you.. what..

reload and then fire two shots at +30%

[coral willow]

your next shot is gonna even do more damage

[pastel yew]

or rng a crit

[coral willow]

since you are using weapon specialist though

probably not ideal

[pastel yew]

your next shot will do more damage if its within 5s

[coral willow]

that 30% damage increase is great

will probably oneshot maulers in cqc without the need of agile engagement and muties up to decent range

[pastel yew]

I've not properly tested the weapon yet so maybe I've just got wrong ideas about ideal usage but

I'm more viewing it as a pull out delete everything in a line

as opposed to a ranged weapon you're firing frequently

[coral willow]

delete everything within 1m

otherwise it seems to deal not much damage on zealot

it will severely wound

but not kill

[pastel yew]

oh on zealot

[coral willow]

im sure vet can get away with agile engegement n stuff to boost damage further

[pastel yew]

mhm

also guaranteed crit means

every time you fire that thing

its going to have the insane cleave

[coral willow]

zealot can guaranteed crit with stealth

[pastel yew]

huh I didnt know that

that's kinda cool actually

[coral willow]

charge also let you do that but it was """""""'changed"""""""

so no longer

[pastel yew]

"uhm but they're a melee class "

the charge wasnt a crit though

[coral willow]

it was

[midnight totem]

It was

[coral willow]

well nvm

[pastel yew]

???

on ranged attacks?

[coral willow]

it wasnt for ranged? maybe? p sure it was crit tho

[pastel yew]

it just increased fire rate and reduced enemy armor

[coral willow]

i dont remember :/

[pastel yew]

its a melee crit for sure

[coral willow]

fuck its been too long

you're probably right

anyways

[pastel yew]

I used it a lot and none of the damage numbers showed as crits

though that might be innacurate it is a mod

also an "unintended interaction"

[coral willow]

stealth on shroudfield/infiltrate has a funny business of not turning itself off for the first 0.3 seconds of activation and any hit during this count towards the shroudfield bonus

[pastel yew]

why they gotta take the fun zealot shit out back and beat it to death

[coral willow]

so every 30 seconds you get 2 full manstopper blasts

[pastel yew]

and leave the unfun op shit untouched

why... WHYY ;-;

[coral willow]

next patch vet will get buffed again

mark my words

[pastel yew]

vet are in a very weak state

they've only been top class for

like literally the entire span of the games life

[coral willow]

true

[pastel yew]

sure we got first place... but what about zeroth place?

tbf I do think all of the classes are reasonably balanced though

zealot is the "weakest" of the three humans but still super strong and viable

not sure on ogryn as i dont play that lumberin brick

[midnight totem]

Ogryns are good lads

If an ogryn is the hammer, a vet is a scalpel, they complement each other

[crimson pebble]

So i had an idea might be uttery busted but its a indea regardless so in borderlands 3 theirs a character you can play named zane and each character has 4 perk tree and an ability that goes w the tree and they get a grenade slot except zane he has the ability to forgo his grenade slot in place of having two different activation abilities maybe could implement for vet or other classes

[coral willow]

psyker's blitzes are close to "activation ult" for the matter

tbh

i do want something like that in place of smite

merge smite and brainburst or something idk

vt2 already had differentiation between key combos like beam staff having lclick-rclick combo ending the beam dealing huge damage on single target and rclick-lclick combo where lclicking gives the shotgun beam thing that you can spam

something like that idk

[crimson pebble]

So you think the concept isnt to far fetched but only for pysker

[coral willow]

well no

closest thing we got is the psyker is what i mean

also the fact that grenades still spawn in maps that are a finite resource

i dont think vet can fit since he has way too much grenade talents

psyker should work and zealot just kinda needs some grenade regen of his own

[crimson pebble]

It could also be used as a balancing use if they did allow two ults that you might have to forgo your keystone since youd have to invest points elsewhere

[coral willow]

tbh probably best as a concept for like, uh

techadept or something

shoulder cannon of some kind?

[crimson pebble]

I know when the full vet tree came out i saw a lot of peopel saying it might be best to not go all the way for the keystone and do something similar to what i said

[coral willow]

people still forsake keystones

sometimes

[crimson pebble]

Unironicly was one of zanes abilities in bl3 aswell

[coral willow]

doomguy got it as well anyway

[crimson pebble]

He even had thinks called kill skills that work exactly like all the red nodes you can get on ult activation

[coral willow]

still waiting for 5th class

probably next year if anything is close for release

[crimson pebble]

I think itll be atleast a whole year after playstation port before we get one imo

[coral willow]

grenades are wierdly balanced rn due to how they are quite rare

[coral willow]

when are we getting a ps port again

any links?

[crimson pebble]

No defined date but its like i think 3/4 done

Im guessing around decemberish

[crimson pebble]

Think they should give ogryn some sort of nade regeneration node where he can resupply vets and zealots more nades like 1 at a time every minute or so maybe

[coral willow]

with how busted his nades are its kinda hardish

zealot's slightly less busted but has 3 uses instead so

[crimson pebble]

Nono not regen his own nades

[coral willow]

i get why they are rare

but like

[crimson pebble]

Or maybe

[coral willow]

it reaaaaaaaaaaaly needs some touchup

[crimson pebble]

He starts with one extra nade then only regens it for teammates but doesnt regen his own

[coral willow]

its too rare and thus fall into the "i dont use this even thoug hthere is a restock might be aroudn the corner"

[crimson pebble]

Call the node grenadier or something maybe give it a boost to your own or team explosives dmg aswell to give people an instinctive to use it

[coral willow]

just move survivalist to where the current mvement speed aura is and then replace the original place with a grenade regen talent on vet

probably busted but thats what people say innit

[midnight totem]

You keep your hands off my movespeed aura

[crimson pebble]

Its icky

Also i do find it a little odd ogryn the only class w explosive guns only gets 1 node to help increase their effectiveness and even then its only a radius increase

@woeful junco @prisma vessel you two are the most knowledgeable on ogryns i know whats your thoughts on the above possible node addition or changes

[uncut pebble]

Is it just me or did they change the color of the convict role?

I swear it used to be red, now it's like a dark orange.

[crimson pebble]

You might be going insane

[thorn lark]

it stacks like fire frenzy, 5 times

[uneven trail]

Trying to complete the special mission. Anyone want to help?

[woeful junco]

I don't think Ogryn is the right class to mess with the ammo/nade economy in this game

[pastel yew]

movespeed aura should be 10%

change my mind.

(you can't)

[pastel yew]

yeee I got another response from someone mentioning that

[thorn lark]

either that or an attack speed aura

[crimson pebble]

Attack speed aura would be wicked

[lusty sapphire]

Fs PLEASE fix the fking trapper shooting nets through solid objects

[somber axle]

You can already get really funny grenade spam moments with Ogryn if you play Vet and grab Field Improvisation to let ammo crates refill grenades

Then get an Ogryn friend with frag grenade and let him spam it 5 times in a row

9 times in a row if you have both ammo crates and are willing to feed all the rations to the Ogryn

but that's more for like coordinating with friends for goofy moments

quickplay pugs will get mad if someone takes extra charges of an ammo crate

[woeful junco]

need to nerf zealot movement speed before vet movement speed aura goes up (but I am in favour of it)

[prisma vessel]

Vet movespeed aura need to speed up dogs and muties by 20%

[thorn lark]

zealot mvmt speed is 90% the momentum keystone

[woeful junco]

you mean this talent?

because inexorable judgement (the keystone) doesnt give any movement speed

afaik

[pastel yew]

eh I mean, zealots are probably losing movement speed overall by operating within aura distance given they could just zoom off themself, I guess it depends on vet comp too. I don't really mind optimising for movement speed anyway given currently there's already so much that anyone who is gonna use it to run off to the end and abandon teams is already doing that

currently the amount of move speed that can be generated is pretty insane anyway

I do think the knife and some other weapons should have their mobility toned down a bit as team abandoners suckkk

[thorn lark]

i should have said mobility, because it's broader

also swift helps with that: Gain up to 15 stacks of Momentum by moving; sprinting generates stacks twice as fast.

[winter dock]

after much experimentation, I have found a way to make all of the shotguns really fuckign good actually

they drink ammo like a fish but they actually kind of do so much its nuts

[thorn lark]

but yeah pure movement speed is here

maybe i should try a build...

[winter dock]

the key, I think, its to ignore the keystones cuz none of them particularly do well for shotguns. Marksmans focus (ironically) got the most mileage just cuz of how easy it is to sweep a poxxer horde with the lawbringer and get tons of headshot kills, with the spread of the shotgun making it very easy to keep very high uptime on weakspot hits. But ultimately that was alot of work and setup for a mediocre damage bonus since shotgun crits aren't incredible except on the agri which is basically just a slower headhunter.

What I landed on was instead spreading wide and picking up all 3 of the +damage for 10s abilities while using commanding shout and tac awareness to hyperspam and get really high uptime on that bonus, and picking up a significant amount of the utility talents besides like krak regen and competitive urge.

Of the 4 shotguns my favorite is the lawbringer, but all of them are good for different things.

The Lawbringer is a very consistent hordeclearing option even in open areas thanks to the uber-wide spread special shell that also comes with enough stagger force to knock ragers on their ass and stun or knock down carapace enemies. Its incredible crowd control with decent enough damage and range to kill stuff, its wide shell for some reason has insane crit damage so I like taking scattershot with it and nuking enemy groups.

The Agri is a prolific elite/special killer. The slug's damage isn't really enough to out compete just shooting normals shells, but it has high pen and is precise so the agri can actually snipe out distance targets or use the slug to nuke and stagger crushers/marauders. But its high accuracy is its biggest weakness, because enemies have to be very densely packed or lined up in order to get the most out of each shell, but it also has the best general range and so its very easy to get most or all of its juice.

The Kantrael is the highest raw damage of the three, but has the worst range and accuracy so its only good at very close quarters. Its special shell has shitty damage cuz its applying fire stacks and needs at least 2 shots for that damage to be appreciable- for most targets they die faster doing anything else. What the special shell is really really good for is DPS against bosses, or very thick bundles of enemies because it has extremely high penetration and will hit just about anything in the shotgun's cone of death. So if you get a big pack of heavy armor enemies you can just start nailing napalm round after round and burn them all down at a consistent pace no matter how many of them there are. Same concept for huge hordes of any enemy type, since the innate penetration of its normal shells is meh you basically want to use the fire shell when shooting at thicc groups.

The double-barrel is basically just a baby kickback shotty like the Ogryn's, but a bit more precise and not quite as nukey. Way more ammo efficient than the kickback, though, since it can fire individual shells. Save the wham trigger for really beefy targets like muties, bosses, carapce, etc. Range and the constantly reloading is its biggest weakness, but it does pump out insane amounts of damage besides

All shotguns excell at one thing in particular- and that's hordes. Of any kind, really. Sometimes you just run into an uber-dense pack of enemies that normal guns could take a long time to chew through and the shotguns really just don't give a shit. They'll assblast through tight packs of anything just as quickly or only very slightly slower than individuals. Meaning that they're incredible when you suddenly run into a herd of Ragers/Crushers/Maulers

and of course when a diarrhea of poxers/dregs starts spilling out of the nearest monster closet, they obviously excel there as well (granted basically all guns do so that's not really special). They love staircases and tight hallways since those are chokepoints that tend to make enemies bunch up

They also all share a critical weakness as well, and that's their absolutely awful ammo reserves

[thorn lark]

You forgot stuff

[winter dock]

They just get so little relative to how quickly you use it and how much they do with it, you end up having to drink like half the drops on the map

[thorn lark]

lawbringer has a different pellet count against unyieldin when adsing

no suppression

[winter dock]

all 3 of the normal shotty's do dramatically increased overall damage when ADSing- both because of a tighter choke focusing more damage in a smaller cone, but also yeah cuz they just get more damage. For some reason

[thorn lark]

double barrel is kinda less precise than a kickback in my experience, the kickback has access to surgical and the number of pellets is so large that you can countersnipe with it

[winter dock]

so basically don't hipfire them unless you very explicitly need the wider spread to hit a pack of dudes

Wait the kickback has surgical? Lol?

XD

[thorn lark]

double barrel ads has a wider spread than lmb

[winter dock]

yeah the double can't ADS thankfully

I think the idea of ADSing with shotguns is kind of stupid anyways

[thorn lark]

ads is rmb, so yeah, not ads but hipfire but yeah you understand

[thorn lark]

and blaze away

[winter dock]

anyways idk why I felt a need to share my findings here

I just kind of had this epiphany about the shotguns and figured there may be others who shared my now old opinion of them being shit

[lusty sapphire]

Can I save this? Can I just change the blessings and keep flak infested?

[thorn lark]

actually check in the psyk if you can os a burster or a dog with infested

because maniac + infested on a kickback is a way to one shot then and muties as well

[last parcel]

infested actually helps manstopper clear range and flak helps mauler oneshot dickshot so yes

[runic grove]

hello fellow vets, im leveling my vet and noticed that blocking is very different to other classes, as stamina depletes very fast. is this correct?

[lucid dune]

good to see the shotgun wall of text, actually helpful

[thorn lark]

yeah but i think you need maniac to oneshot muties

i would replace hit and run with manstopper / deathspitter / double barrel, depending on the availability of blessings

and i would test the gun and decide what to change after

the locks will be removed with the next update

[lusty sapphire]

Cheers. Now I just need manstopper and scattershot right? Or the increased reload after using both barrels?

I wanna use this on my melee wpn specialist build

[last parcel]

manstopper is the main one. k33t mentioned the second blessings above (and yeah scattershot works too)

[lusty sapphire]

Aight

[spice wadi]

please god let them make manstopper easier to get

[dreamy spade]

anyone have a better rashad than me

[thorn lark]

Me on my zealot

[narrow bay]

It will be but will be reduced significantly in power at tiers 1 and 2

[coral willow]

ADS reduces their cleave btw

to 0.01

instead of 1.5

[winter dock]

Ah that's good to know

[coral willow]

yes only celaves like 1 groaners but whatever

[winter dock]

Well thats also like per pellet right

so its a big dif

[coral willow]

duh

[winter dock]

I had thought it was just the reduced spread getting more more hits

but of course there's a hidden mechanci

[coral willow]

outside of reduced choke certain armor types actually gets reduced min pelletcount

[winter dock]

mechanic*

[indigo mural]

How in the everliving shit do I counter Crushers

I can pretty much deal with all other situations but sometimes the Crusher just has them long arms

I like to get up close and stabby with the combat knoif

[lusty sapphire]

On my psyker I think?

Or almost the same

[dreamy spade]

Wait until the last second to dodge back or side

[lusty sapphire]

nvm

Slightly worse in every aspect

[uncut pebble]

Do NOT dodge backwards, they have a phantom hitbox and they WILL track you.

[grand perch]

nah backwards works fine, if you arent on stairs (diagonal floors make for wonky hitboxes)

but to the side is safer yeh

[uncut pebble]

Listen, it will work until you trust it to work.

Then you get bonked.

That's how vt2 was, that's how darktide is.

[last parcel]

i dodge forward and get between their legs

[odd sparrow]

weird ive found dodging backwards to work just fine

[grand perch]

just roll the iframes will save you

equip dark wood grain ring

[placid portal]

Try parry

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-lake-of-mud-minimobster-fantasy-action-rpg-gif-17884152

[pastel yew]

the hitbox on the overhead is fucked up

on the reach

I've been hit at least 1m past the end of the hit

so now I just dodge if I'm in the same zip code

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-concern-meme-40k-tech-priest-commissar-gif-19826274

[dire olive]

You just need to time it better (not the moment they raise the club, but right before it comes down)

[stiff glacier]

Getting vibe checked by crusher is something

[idle pecan]

is this fine for a mk6

[winter dock]

its meh

low cleave is always pain

[idle pecan]

why

[winter dock]

but its not terrible

[idle pecan]

doesnt the powerup give unlimited cleave

[uncut pebble]

No.

It significantly increases it.

That's why you want brutal momentum on power swords.

Any headshot kills have their mass ignored.

[lyric dock]

And PC so you can do more power swings

[idle pecan]

i see

[fiery wave]

It’s kinda irrelevant

Bromentum exists

[placid portal]

It used to have infinite cleave

[severe gale]

buff power sword

if it doesn’t kill everything i look at it’s useless

[winter dock]

True- ish. The cleave damage still matters alot even with bromentum

[fiery wave]

If you don’t build correctly

[tender inlet]

Nah, I disagree

[fallen burrow]

dumb it down real hard for me here kay
cause i look at these numbers and slang/terms and internally start wondering when did i get shipped to a mental asylum

for background heres what ive used:
I happen to like the columnus autogun (braced and not braced) before this update, because i liked the high rate of fire and the very decent damage capability, also it didnt have much spread before but now thats kinda worse
I also happen to be holding onto a chainsword because it felt like those can smash a crowd but still deal highish dmg to elites and specialists

important question bit:
what weapons are good and why, dumbest way possible (ex: This gun good becuase it stacks with x, y, z to make big boom)
and (as a secondary if you would be so kind) what weapons do you think would work well based off of my past preferences

thank you for taking your time to read my ted talk

[winter grove]

Columnus Infantry Autogun is one of the OP Trio guns

And possibly takes the least effort to make it effective

It shoots fast and deals shit ton of damage because of that

It's quite literally

point at enemy
Shoot
They die

[upper dock]

Which power sword is the good one?

[winter grove]

Mk6 has a way to deal with armor faster

Mk3 works better now sunder got buffed

[placid portal]

I like agripinaa weapons

It it doesnt kill in 1 shot, it isnt from Agripinaa

[grand perch]

*zarona

[placid portal]

Zarona is the ctrl A + delete

Graia, when you wanna keep shooting while maintaining accuracy

[fallen burrow]

yeah but i liked it before it was cool 😎

jkjk
reccomendations for blessings and bonuses?

[winter grove]

You can run it grey

Lmfao

[fallen burrow]

just wonderin

[winter grove]

Flak + DumDum are probably the most essential ones

You can add maniac deathspitter I guess

[faint beacon]

Blessings:
DumDum + Any Blessing of choice

Perks:
Flak/Maniac-Elite-Special-Unarmored (Very up to choice seeing its an extremely flexible gun)

I personally run Stripped Down with the Duck and Dive talent cause its really fucking funny stalling anything with a gun permanently

[timber haven]

I just unlocked Power Cycler its GG bois

[marble mantle]

Shit i never thought about that

[runic grove]

what do i need to oneshot crushers with the shovel3?

[upper dock]

How can I fix this?

or is it bricked

[sinful jacinth]

Crit hit dmg -> unyielding then gloryhunter -> blaze away or keep gloryhunter.

[upper dock]

Why unyielding? I thought flak was the go to (sorry for being uninformed)

[radiant chasm]

Plasma doesn’t need flak

[faint beacon]

Elite %

thats typical what you run on it

[radiant chasm]

Flak is generally a good option for a lot of weapons but it is not always the best

[pastel yew]

this

[umbral parrot]

Don't throw Gloryhunter!!!!

[pastel yew]

for one shot break points

also yeah glory hunter is dope on a plasmagun

[crimson pebble]

Easy fix ranged crit to elite maybe maniac the glory hunter to blaze away

[umbral parrot]

You do so much damage as it is.

[faint beacon]

Path can back me up on that and I dont even like Plasma, I just understand the Elite % is fucked for Plasma

[pastel yew]

glory hunter stays its

insanely strong defence

you dont need crit chance on a plasma gun

you're already one shotting everything

whats a crit providing

[faint beacon]

• if you get Elite % perk you'll just delete Elites and Get a shit ton of toughness

Easy stonks

[umbral parrot]

Yee

[pastel yew]

if you dont have elite

you cant one shot the lil baldy gunners

only the flak ones

[crimson pebble]

More deader ez

[umbral parrot]

And Blazeaway sucks

[crimson pebble]

Wrong

[faint beacon]

Its the Best option till they actually make Charging the plasma gun worth it

[pastel yew]

there are so few options

[faint beacon]

this is coming from the person who actually enjoys using it that way even though you're kneecapping yourself by doing it

[pastel yew]

and most of them

[umbral parrot]

Good point. I just don't like it cus you shoot more often

[pastel yew]

are meh

the base plasma gun is just so stat and perk heavy

[faint beacon]

Imo Gets hot if you dont like Blaze

[crimson pebble]

Or both

[pastel yew]

blaze is just nice for making other breakpoints you can't normally

[faint beacon]

cause then at least you have consistent crits

if

you insist on keeping glory

[pastel yew]

glory is good because you're going to be killing at least 1 elite like

every click

it makes you so unreasonably tanky

[faint beacon]

• if you run born leader?

[pastel yew]

that +25% toughness is on top of any toughness generation you already have from kills

[faint beacon]

you'll just generate a good portion of toughness for the team

[pastel yew]

could be worth

[faint beacon]

whenever elites decided to just pop into existence

[pastel yew]

I dont massively value doing that for the team because.. fuck them thats my toughness

get their own!

bastards

[umbral parrot]

Snipe out gunners

[faint beacon]

Im very much a support player

so I see value in it

[umbral parrot]

Same

Still, screw my team8s

[crimson pebble]

Its a swim or sink world

[faint beacon]

Brother I am very much swimming

(Purposely puts shit blessings on my guns just cause its funnier)

Flechette my beloved

[sinful jacinth]

For each there own.

I like blaze away more than gloryhunter. Unless you getting hit and want to get toughness back all the time... go for gloryhunter. And if you always out of harms way you shouldn't need gloryhunter. That's just my opinion.

[faint beacon]

gloryhunter is good to stay in the heat of being hosed down by anything with a gun

[crimson pebble]

If youv to voc you wont need glory hunter at all as elite kills should also be refreshing your ult

[faint beacon]

ahem 20 gunners upon thee

[onyx anvil]

should i do run n' gun or scattershot for the second blessing?

[faint beacon]

Is this on Veteran

[crimson pebble]

Scatter

[sinful jacinth]

Does flechette even work with that shotgun?

[faint beacon]

No no hear me out

[faint beacon]

Yes, kind of

[sinful jacinth]

Don't you want to one tap most things?

[faint beacon]

its unsual

[tulip shoal]

anybody have a particular mission they recommend for on overwatch?

[faint beacon]

I use a Man-Cleave + Flech with WS

and its just really fucking funny

[crimson pebble]

Low int malice stacks all the toughness you can

[onyx anvil]

per projectile hit

[sinful jacinth]

If I get another ironhelm with good stats I'll give it a try.

[faint beacon]

Its good at basically making everything hurt it wont hit BPs instantly

but it leaves entire crowds at distance

pretty hurt

[onyx anvil]

yeah im just building it to bleed everything

[crimson pebble]

Veteran thunder hammer when

[onyx anvil]

was a tedious 2 days to level a 5th character to 22 just to get flechette lol

also ended up getting man-stopper

[faint beacon]

I just did this for my Ogryn getting Flech on Ripper

now im enjoying doing Glugger Burn + Bleed

I've hit the point of DT where im purposely making not optimal builds

cause im bored of optimal builds

[acoustic carbon]

Veterans, do Redirect Fire stack if multpile Vets have it? I sometimes see multiple acvite Redirect Fire icons at the bottom in the match.

[tall torrent]

up to 8

also don't use 8 stack modifier for FT keystone

it's bad

[acoustic carbon]

Bad how?

[acoustic carbon]

Not what I meant.

[tall torrent]

in actual fights you have to wait for stacks (purposefully not tag enemies) to get all 8 stacks on 1 enemy, which is bad because ur not supposed to wait for stacks
and if u don't wait for stacks, it's practically just a 4.5% dmg boost for redirect fire

[tall torrent]

it can stack from multiple veterans up to 8

[hearty panther]

yeah its rare to hit 8 actual stacks for the tag

its basically only ever at the start of a fight, and for monsters when you are deliberate about waiting it out

you should only really expect FT to give you two stacks (8%) + whatever redirect fire will cap at

which is usually 8% + 7.5% and thats pretty good

[crimson pebble]

Can the the actual focus target stack or is just on who marks first w their stacks

[tall torrent]

if u have higher stacks than the already-tagged enemy does, u can override that by tagging
successfully overriding a tag also refreshes its duration back to full 25s

[crimson pebble]

Prob be broken if they all stacked

[winter dock]

Currently, I feel like the only "bad" weapons on Vet are the standard infantry lasguns and even then they aren't necessarily bad they're just not as good as the other options. IIRC peeps are saying boltgun is bad rn but honestly I don't feel it.

So basically every gun is good? Just gotta know how to use/build it.

If you like columnus autos you'll probably like Accatran recon lasgun too, just remember to build it right (you want the marksman focus keystone and the Onslaught talent on the far right. Its a bit tight on points)

like 3 days ago I would've said shotguns sucks but I very recently figured out how to make them do work so yeah

Oh wait shredder pistol exists, is that still bad following the pinning fire nerf/fix or did something else come up for it?

[radiant chasm]

shredder auto pistol xd

nothing came up for it

[winter dock]

oof yeah

ohkay so don't use that one

[radiant chasm]

bolter isn't bad but it's in a terribly weird spot

[winter dock]

but like anything else is probably fine

Honestly I like the gun, its just the reload is so agonizingly slow

[midnight totem]

ib4 sneaky cat with the shredder carapace killer

[winter dock]

like you just can't use it with volley fire because the reload is so unbearably long

[radiant chasm]

have to reload cancel

but anyways, bolter behaves like a magdump/power weapon but it's stats are more in line with a precision rifle, so it works on vet to some extent but it's basically dead to zealot besides burning ammo for anti armor

[winter dock]

I've tried it, its a sprint tap when the number changes but that isn't enough. The remaining chunk of reload after the number shifts is like barely 5-10% of the overall animation and just pulling the gun back up from the sprint takes very nearly as long so it doesn't really seem like any time is actually saved

[crimson pebble]

Iv been told auto pistol used to be rlly good wasnt playing when that supposedly was but do wish it was atleast half decent still

[tall torrent]

Boltgun’s problem is not rly dps, it’s the fact that it wants u to put all 30 points into middle & left side talent branches to make it be good

[winter dock]

Boltguns biggest strength IMO is that it doesn't need alot of talents to work. It just kind of hits hard enough to onetap most smallstuff and twotap most medium stuff

you could just slap it into a basic shout build and do fine

[tall torrent]

It needs a lot of talents to work

[winter dock]

but you'll be spending like 80% of your time not firing the weapon just cuz that slow reload makes it unusable into very large groups

[tall torrent]

Either reload talent, precision strikes + determined + deadshot + superiority + (marksman) + focus target + redirect fire

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/ragey-speech-bubble-ragey-bubble-ragey-cat-gif-3301622296192710653

[tall torrent]

That’s a lot

[tall torrent]

Also survivalist tbh

It’s one of the few guns that want survivalist

[winter dock]

I don't think you need all of that. For breakpoint purposes it only needs a very small boost to onetap ranged elites, and its not worth bothering to try and onetap melee elites/muties. Just fire the extra shots for them.

A small boost you can get just by taking that one 30% weakpoint damage talent

[tall torrent]

For 1 tapping ranged elites on headshot it’s not a lot

U just press exe stance

[winter dock]

Or that, yeah

[tall torrent]

To make it 1 tap things on VoC, it is quite a bit of investment

[winter dock]

You really don't need it to onetap anything bigger than a scab flamer/gunner

[tall torrent]

Some breakpoints are only enabled by PF stacks

[winter dock]

I mean sure yeah you can dump points and obliterate a boss enemy if the stars align

but like is that necessary?

[tall torrent]

And if you don’t run exe stance u kinda need deadshot for sway & recoil reduction

[winter dock]

Just throw kraks at it

[tall torrent]

Why not

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Krak isn’t that high dmg actually

[winter dock]

Because its alot of points, points you could spend instead on useful utilities

like having 3 +50% kraks that regen and sometimes double up

or just having commy shout and comp urge

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1259289688955424798/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.06_-_19.19.36.04.mp4?ex=668b246a&is=6689d2ea&hm=e70406fbff6caac324e861bcf1453043e38362dcb1827d8b386dcd407f7de297&

[winter dock]

or whatever, you know

[tall torrent]

Not as fast as this

[winter dock]

go all in on the melee stuff and do that hotswap thing even

[hearty panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvqnixyv0Pk

dont need no reload speed neither

[tall torrent]

Boltgun doesn’t rly afford melee talents

[winter dock]

Yeah but you fight a boss like at most twice in a mission and you aren' the only person in the lobby