veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Nah they’d just do sister hive city

[white minnow]

knife had talents taken

[pseudo fiber]

Nah they'll kill him they'd just come up with a new campaign concept. Mobian regiment is doing x. There's always problems to solve in 40k.

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1093708413164343406/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.04.06_-_22.24.13.03.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=6697c695&is=66967515&hm=fea64beabb297219c516e59f779f9b2c0c6eddb39d796ee4332c74c11ecf6a34&

[white minnow]

the weapon setup and talents taken are shown at the end

[umbral scaffold]

I lied, not headshot

[pseudo fiber]

Damn nice.

[white minnow]

but i specifically didn't take damage talents at all for chainsword to compensate for the "it's on zealot but not vet" argument

i took disdain as well as +infested damage for the knife

which is why i showed a video without wrath

[umbral scaffold]

"Better than average" - grumpy vet without a planet

[white minnow]

my chainswords lacked disdain, purge the unclean, sustained assault, blazing piety, 2x +5% melee damage nodes, 10% attack speed, duellist, and the initial FotF

i hope that is enough to counteract the fact that the testing was done on zealot instead of vet just because he has better melee talents

[umbral scaffold]

What if y'all just did it with no talents

Question mark

[white minnow]

i did it with the talent difference specifically to counteract certain talking points

[old quail]

also to note in the knife one, he hardly ever stacks scourge which means he isn't hitting the same targets w/ bleed

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah, scourge tracking

[old quail]

i don't think this is a case of UI running out of space because of his setup

[umbral scaffold]

No scourge means either no cleave or one-hits

[white minnow]

i wonder what weapon would benefit really well from hitting certain pox BPs and having crit chance

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly easier to be one-hits

[white minnow]

for poxwalker clear

[umbral scaffold]

I unironically hit so hard on knife zealot that I struggle with stacking scourge on trash

[umbral scaffold]

Knife, technically

[tall torrent]

DC swords

[umbral scaffold]

Dueling sword too

Fast weapons that kill one enemy per attack are actually a decent option for horde clear

I myself was buried on some headshot crit breakpoint for knife at one point of my life

The intention was finding the knife that would one-hit a poxwalker with a headshot without using infested

With that weapon test mod I might end up reviving the meme

[marble mantle]

I would be a much happier reject if all classes just had the same weapons except Ogryn obviously. Psyker can keep the warp stuff. Just give me all the melees for zealot on vet 😭

[somber axle]

Psyker staves on Zealot just so you can start a match and watch the Zealot break the staff in half over his knee before swapping melee

[gilded rock]

Zealot with a duelling sword would be very silly

Man

[somber axle]

Plasma on Psyker

[gilded rock]

I just spent the last 6 minutes clutching through progressively more horrendous spawns and didn't even get it

[somber axle]

Set off your head to explode and your Plasma gun to explode then see which one wins the race to kill you first

[gilded rock]

The game moved teammate respawn because I had to walk a teensy bit forward past them 💀

[marble mantle]

Are the tac axes any good? Contemplating buying the cool wrapped skin

The Kasr camp

Camo

[somber axle]

Tac Axe IV is very fun

I haven't tried the others

[marble mantle]

Bet good enough for me

Cool ass skin

[somber axle]

The default skin for the Tac Axe IV looks so good but yeah new paid cosmetic Tac Axe skin too

[hearty panther]

yea im a firm fan of IV

theyre the most dangerous enemy

[umbral scaffold]

The brown taxe has more damaging lights

[pastel yew]

voidstrike staff?

voidstrike is just a more balanced plasma gun changed my mind

because of its lack of ammo usage?

[somber axle]

I have genuinely never touched Voidstrike or Trauma staff so idk LOL

I have very little time spent played on the other classes

[pastel yew]

I mean you reach one shot break points with both, though the voidstrike is better against carapace with certain set ups

I love surge on the voidstrike

but I think the key difference is the ttk

the voidstrike is slower to get shots out

and each shot relies on actual skill to hit

it might be the only ranged weapon in darktide with a skill component

[somber axle]

Maybe I should try Voidstrike. I usually love going Surge or Purge for staves

[pastel yew]

voidstrike is ... sorta like the surge staff

with less mobility

and worse boss damage

but better for other stuff

and also more fun

[somber axle]

...wait so what's the upside

[pastel yew]

the upside is that it has pen

[gilded rock]

God I love 7a recon so much

[pastel yew]

and can one shot everything

even crushers

[gilded rock]

So good and yummy

[hollow ibex]

voidstrike is way stronger overall

[pastel yew]

or well... "one shot"

[hollow ibex]

it's also stronger against bosses, if you can aim

[somber axle]

What perks/blessings do you want? Also what stat priority?

[pastel yew]

voidstrike definitely is not stronger against bosses

[somber axle]

I will try to make a good Voidstrike staff to toy with it when I get home

[pastel yew]

oh for sure, 1000000%

very fun though

[tall torrent]

One major thing is that psyker has soulblaze stuff so the moment u start killing elites & specials with Voidstrike there’ll be DOT ramp up to meet breakpoints that you’d otherwise miss, whereas plasma is super strict with its 1 taps

Also psyker has very high finesse scaling with DD which Voidstrike basically always takes

[pastel yew]

you dont really need soul blaze?

not with disrupt destiny at least

since that just means you kill things

you still need surge to proc to kill crushers tho

[tall torrent]

Soulblaze is not necessary, it’s just extra Dmg for free

[pastel yew]

yesn't, like.. it depends, the damage only matters if it lowers the number of hits required to kill something

[tall torrent]

Yea it does

[pastel yew]

it's good with lots of enemies as you can stack a lot of stacks

but it relies on pathing down the other side of the tree

and I go crit voidstrike

rather than the alternative

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure soulblaze ramp up makes rager groups just flat out die in 1 shot from void

[pastel yew]

yeah but you can just one shot them anyway from what I'm aware

with full dd

I might be wrong on that

you definitely one shot them on crit

[tall torrent]

Crit with DD yes

[pastel yew]

I'm pretty sure they die with dd and no crit though

[tall torrent]

Surge isn’t needed for rager 1 taps, it just has DD stack requirement

[pastel yew]

mhm I know a lot of people say surge isn't the optimal build path but honestly it can't be that much worse if it isnt

its so stacked

[tall torrent]

Which isn’t hard to get anyways

[tall torrent]

Surge is a very fun blessing but it’s rly just

+200k overkill dmg

For the most part

[pastel yew]

mhm agreed to both of you

I didnt even know that was a blessing

I wont lie

[tall torrent]

Transfer peril is nice

Pretty sure it doesn’t have internal cooldown?

U could cleave 10 poxwalkers in the head and instantly quell 80% peril

[pastel yew]

oh yeah they also buffed surge last patch

brother why

[tall torrent]

It’s fun

[pastel yew]

I wont complain, its not a huge change

[tall torrent]

Even though flurry + nexus is prob still generally better

[pastel yew]

yeah true, though it was fun anyway and already dumb levels of strong

[tall torrent]

But the ICBM blue ball strat is very fun

[pastel yew]

honestly psyker in general is

always eating good

they have so many strong options

I dont think the class is better than vet overall but

its nice they're in a good spot

[tall torrent]

I’m just gonna call it intercontinental blue ball

ICBB

[pastel yew]

nah, they're not that good

being blue balled across continent is a bad way to go

imagine being a crusher.. literally a huge ogryn in some of the strongest armor in the setting

and a psyker comes along with a funny stick, and one shots you

[inland orchid]

i mean, it IS a psyker

doing radical things is kinda their whole deal

[pastel yew]

arm diff

the veterans arms: unable to hold a bolt gun steady even when not firing

also the veterans arms: strong enough to chop through carapace like its nothing

they really should put a fucking stock on the boltguns if theres that much sway

[tall torrent]

Did u see the boltgun model’s firing animation

[lean bloom]

its the boltgun good?

[pastel yew]

like in third person or?

[somber axle]

I think they should buff Crushers tbh

[pastel yew]

I dont think crushers need to be buffed as much as some weapons need to be way less good at killing them

also some weapons need to be less useless against em for sure

[somber axle]

For an Ogryn in full body Carapace they are so non-threatening

[pastel yew]

theres just a huge disparity between weapons with good anti armor and those without

[pastel yew]

I think they're mostly meant to get in the way

[somber axle]

You'd need to nerf half the weapon roster LOL

[pastel yew]

and be disruptive

[marble mantle]

If I’m using zarona or db with my knife, would it be worthwhile to run WS?

[pastel yew]

nah I think boltgun should be fine against carapace but

not that good

I do think hand cannon give a fun niche to the revolver its just the weapons down sides are way too easily overcome

guaranteed crits and free reloads

really?

[marble mantle]

Oh okay I think @tall torrent said it wasn’t

[pastel yew]

I guess when I think of a good weapon with ws

[marble mantle]

Maybe I’m misremembering

[pastel yew]

I want something that can generate stacks in a single swing

for the free crit on swap

[lean bloom]

which one is better?

this

or

[somber axle]

This one

[pastel yew]

this one

[tall torrent]

If u shoot it in hipfire u can see the bolt carrier group physically move back (through the gun’s back)

[umbral scaffold]

WS knife is goateded

[tall torrent]

This is better even though it has only 7 continuous shots

[pastel yew]

I have never noticed this at all

[tall torrent]

It has better breakpoints

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver already has idfk like 20% crit bonus from the stat

[somber axle]

They miss one shot from thermal resist being too low but they get high enough damage and stopping power to hit the important breakpoints

[marble mantle]

What weapon you think I should run it with? I’m basically gonna be running full commando

[umbral scaffold]

Vet has a base 7.5% and the 5% node

[pastel yew]

ohh yeaah

[umbral scaffold]

That's 32.5%

[pastel yew]

I forget vet class has higher crit chance

[marble mantle]

Okay bet

[umbral scaffold]

Surgical is pretty much always with one stack, so you have 42.5%

You slap one cunt with WS and it's 75.5%

idk

[pastel yew]

yeah but... slap three cunts and its 100%

its not a tiny difference over a long period of time though but not relying on surgical

[umbral scaffold]

I think two already guarantees a crit for you

[pastel yew]

I also dont think its base crit is 20%?

[tall torrent]

It’s more like
Knife doesnt benefit as much from the atk speed bonus as smth like a Rashad so you’re not quite getting the full benefit of the full package

[pastel yew]

though I might be wrong there

[faint beacon]

I think the best way to approach that would simply be what happened to the bulwarks, nerf spawns but buff their overall stats and HP

[pastel yew]

crushers have already had their stats buffed not too too long ago I think

if I'm being honest though I'm not a massive fan of how armor works in this game generally though

[lean bloom]

it is good?

[umbral scaffold]

Samesies

[marble mantle]

Oh okay I think I misinterpreted what you said then

[faint beacon]

I think it should "Stagger" in the sense of not knocking down on their asses but rather just stunning them

[marble mantle]

What should I do to this? Is it bricked?

[pastel yew]

I think elite toughness is pretty goated though

[umbral scaffold]

Rending is annoying and carapace is made not special by how much it's used

[pastel yew]

if you dont need blaze to make break points

you can be immortal

I think I get like 62 toughness or something every time I headshot something

[umbral scaffold]

One crusher should be an "oh shit" moment, not "let me do two heavies"

[pastel yew]

yeah though running marksmans focus or ping

already brings you back up

[umbral scaffold]

I remember being terrified of chaos warriors in Vermintide

[pastel yew]

though I do find ping annoying to spam for simple breakpoints

I guess if you want to run weapon specialist plasmagun but

[umbral scaffold]

Some people clowned on them, but it was a risky game

[pastel yew]

theres not really much point

[marble mantle]

Same

[pastel yew]

I dont mind it if theres one

[umbral scaffold]

The low ranged ammo meant shooting a chaos warrior had more weight

[pastel yew]

if there are two plasmaguns in my game though I'll leave

same with smite

it's just not fun

[marble mantle]

@formal lake you know if this is bricked or not?

[idle pecan]

Nah not bricked but it's not possible to get a groll, still serves the purpose of shwacking bosses

[umbral scaffold]

Though it might be me being traumatized of the ping-based block and dodge

[marble mantle]

Ahhhh okay

Yeah I ads but only to snipe really

[pastel yew]

at what difficulty did grail knight stop one shotting them

hillarious class

[marble mantle]

Which I don’t need to do a lot

[marble mantle]

Never lol

[umbral scaffold]

Crucian to surgical, sprint to maniac

[pastel yew]

crucian is good

[marble mantle]

Honestly I’d use surgical if I had surg 4

[pastel yew]

I will never abandon

[marble mantle]

Okay thanks!

[pastel yew]

yeah the mobility boost is real nice

[marble mantle]

Knife

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Surgical easily stacks 20% crit chance because of waiting for the weapon to align the sights

[pastel yew]

its not very often you can take stuff like that

[pastel yew]

you dont gotta wait

[idle pecan]

Recon 6d + Infernus = diet flamethrower

[pastel yew]

the zarona makes enemy head hitboxes as big as your screen

its more impressive to miss

on god

[umbral scaffold]

It is, but I don't YOLO the shots

[pastel yew]

its not yolo if you literally cant miss

it has the same head hitbox properties as the voidstrike..

[umbral scaffold]

I'm, dare I say, quite surgical

[pastel yew]

on a hit scan weapon

the only reason I can possibly think they did this was so it wouldnt be useless on a controller

while moving

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder if they'd bring themselves to remove it

[pastel yew]

probably not

honestly theres not a great deal of point

people that are good already arent missing

so you'd just be nerfing lesser skilled players

which isnt really gonna be a positive change ig

for a coop game

[umbral scaffold]

The Mk10 laspistol is a needle and sometimes frustrating to shoot

But my hits are my hits

[pastel yew]

are there any other weapons with dumb head hitboxes

yes

its a tiny amount of effort

[umbral scaffold]

And it hits really hard too, but Fartshart left it like that

[pastel yew]

and you'd neer need to get a new one

maybe thats just my collector itch though

I do ultimately want a good built version of every weapon

[umbral scaffold]

Mk1

Lol, said the guardsman

Lmao

[pastel yew]

???????????

big if true

honestly a lot of marks are just

straight up downgrades

that I'm unsure as to why you would take them

[umbral scaffold]

I thought it wouldn't be retroactive

Changing variants is something I've been nagging about for months ngl

Always miffed me that my character could forget how to swing an overhead if their weapon looked different

I myself would be a fan of a "make your moveset" system, but that might be asking much

[pastel yew]

gimme a tide game with omni directional attacking

[umbral scaffold]

Like deciding that two sweep heavies would loop, or that the push attack leads into an overhead

[iron marten]

I would just turn the knife moveset into the ds4 lmao

[umbral scaffold]

I'd put Mk2 lights with Mk4 heavies tbh

For some reason they're faster

[pastel yew]

mk4 heavies are the goat

overheads n thrusts, my beloved

all weapons should have em

[umbral scaffold]

I'm a big fan of the executioner sword

[stiff glacier]

Which

[umbral scaffold]

Horizontal lights, vertical heavies

[stiff glacier]

Wait mb

[umbral scaffold]

Easy to use, but a slow and deliberate moveset

[stiff glacier]

Read wrong

[bright sparrow]

I've not played in a year. Is there a good summary of what's new recently, and what it means for Vet?

[umbral scaffold]

The Mk15 eviscerator is almost the exec sword, but unfortunately it's a zealot exclusive and a chain weapon

And its attacks have a weird lag

But mostly the first two

[rigid pilot]

Ogryn fart

[stiff glacier]

Ive started to use the tigrus evicerator and its been suprisingly good

I hated it before

Guess momentum really fixed it for me

[coral willow]

its now really gone after the patch

but its still slow

[umbral scaffold]

I run it with the crit keystone cuz perfect strike

[lean bloom]

Which modifiers do I use on the plasma gun?

[umbral scaffold]

big if true big if true big if true

[coral willow]

2h weapons got wacked the most

nor taxe but taxe by nature is a niche weapon anyway

knife on the other hand

[umbral scaffold]

I like the crit CDR change, but tbh I was already used to not having utterly goated CDR

[coral willow]

it was nice

not great

after the delay buff

its fineish

still astonishes me

how 2h weaponry of zealot tends to get shafted

and optimal zealot is just some crackhead with a butterknjfe

rashad marty mixes everything up yea

more of a mincer at that point

[soft trellis]

Question: How is this for a mk 2 laspistol, for my Vet? :/

Also: Do the recon lasguns each do different amounts of damage, now, per shot? It looks like they changed the damage on all 3 of them :/

[pastel yew]

plasma gun still king, zarona weapon specialist still king, new bolt pistol is okay and fun

[stiff glacier]

But man that sway

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa does the most damage per shot but has the slowest fire rate

Recon Mk VId has the lowest damage per shot but the highest fire rate

Recon Mk II sits between them

But like time to kill varies per target

[pastel yew]

yeah you gotta run dead shot or exec stance

or have crippling depression

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II has the highest single target DPS and best ammo economy

[pastel yew]

at least with dead shot you don't need to always burn stamina

as the hipfire is accurate

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa has cleave for better horde clear and easier mixed horde clear

Recon Mk VId has the fire rate to get the best value out of Onslaught (really the only Recon who can use it properly tbh) to kill Crushers effectively

They're all good in different ways

Just pick which ever one you like because they're all fine now

[soft trellis]

So... are the 3 recon lasguns more or less like the 3 helbores, for what the basic differences are?

[somber axle]

Sorta? But you care less about breakpoints on the Recons. It's more about DPS/TTK

[stiff glacier]

Hey no need to call me out

[bright sparrow]

So not much changed? How are autoguns doing?

[soft trellis]

So the 6 has the highest dps and the 7 has cleave and the highest damage per shot(but lowest rof)?

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II has the best ammo economy by a large margin for those who lean more heavily on ranged gameplay

It can maintain ammo throughout a mission better than the other two

[soft trellis]

Does that mean that the mk 6 recon does the best with infernus...?

[somber axle]

Headhunter and Dum Dum but Infernus is an ok sidegrade to Dum Dum. It's less damage at most ranges but not too significant to make the weapon bricked if you get Infernus instead and would rather change perks

[soft trellis]

I'm guessing dum dum and deathspitter are the go-to blessings then?

[bright sparrow]

Did the helbore lasguns ever get better? Last i remember they were made good on paper but were too tedious to use for little gain over other options.

[somber axle]

Headhunter is mandatory for all Recons imo

You need a reliable way of critting

[soft trellis]

Is headhunter the more crits based on weakspot hits?

until a crit?

[somber axle]

Generally you don't go Deadshot on Recons (unless you're me LOL) so your crit chance is really poor without Headhunter

[marble mantle]

Wack or crack fellas

[somber axle]

Headhunter synergizes with Shock Trooper to extend your ammo economy massively and improve your overall damage

[soft trellis]

So... can I work with this, for my psyker? >.>

[somber axle]

More than just saving ammo, it extends the time between reloads

Longer volleys for more damage without needing to reload

[soft trellis]

I know the damage and ammo rolls are bad for that recon

[somber axle]

OH PSYKER

Ok Dum Dum and Infernus

Psyker has Scriers and True Aim

You don't need Headhunter on the Recons for a Psyker

[soft trellis]

I was talking Veteran, at first. I was just asking about this one for my psyker, since she is level 30

[somber axle]

True Aim is a better Headhunter

And saves you the blessing slot too

[soft trellis]

I have t3 infernus in my blessing pool, I don't have any tier of dum dum though

[bright sparrow]

Ah, oh well. Thanks for the info.

[soft trellis]

I don't have any tier of headhunter either...

[somber axle]

Swap both blessings imo

For your Psyker go Dum Dum and Infernus for funny flamethrower memes

Dum Dum will also boost Infernus tick damage

Aim head height and burn holes through heads

[soft trellis]

So for that specific 6d should I start by switching speedloader for infernus since I don't have dum dum or headhunter in my recon blessing pool?

[somber axle]

Yeah that would work

Deathspitter is ok but Dum Dum would be better than Deathspitter

[soft trellis]

I honestly want to try out the recon on the psyker, after the changes to the recon...

[somber axle]

It's very fun hitting Scriers and just vomiting a fiery laser light show into enemies

Not as strong as Columnus Infantry Autogun but like nothing really is tbh. No automatic gun comes close and really only two other weapons can even compare in the same league of it

[soft trellis]

So I want scriers gaze with the recon lasgun, for crit chance?

[somber axle]

Recons are still solid tho

And very fun

Scriers, True Aim, Disrupt Destiny

[soft trellis]

I am only used to using venting shriek, tbh... :/

[pastel yew]

same as always, very very strong

[soft trellis]

My psyker is getting offered all the good stuff... they are being offered t4 both barrels, for the double barreled shotgun from melk as well :/

[somber axle]

Psyker has a lot of really fun talents to synergize with the rolling crits

[pastel yew]

grab

[soft trellis]

I have enough melk bucks for both that recon and the ironhelm...

[pastel yew]

and then take the blessing

aahh I see

[soft trellis]

Wow... my recon blessing pool is so sadge... t3 hit and run, t3 infernus, t2 deathspitter, and t2 stripped down are all I have... 😦

[midnight totem]

alrighty, time to play

[soft trellis]

After bleeding all my melk bucks... I think I'm gonna do my 1st and 2nd zealot's weekly contracts <.<

Still I gotta say: This is, by far, probably my absolute favorite portrait... probably because of the description alone lol

[midnight totem]

how did you bleed all your melk buks

[soft trellis]

So... do I want reality anchor or precognition with scrier's gaze...?

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/rsx4-gif-21328683

some slaaneshi cultist shit

[soft trellis]

Getting t4 both barrels from a double barreled shotgun on my psyker and getting this recon lasgun for my psyker for later @midnight totem

[midnight totem]

nice

well, both barrels

not the lasgun though

[soft trellis]

I wanted it for later >.>

[marble mantle]

Currently what I got for knife + zarona, any suggestions? @formal lake

I’m working on getting a second +3 stam curio too, but I’m keeping my one that helps me up to 200 health

What would you drop?

Demo team for nades

Okay

Anything else?

Not really tbh, I have a lot of stam and I’ll have even more soon

Honestly I would but low profile is really helpful lol

You’re probably right

Might be something I should try working on without, it’s a lil bit of a cop out

I’ll fold but at least it won’t be during cowardice

But now I have an assload of buffs after my infil ends lol

Anything else you’d suggest?

Also this is my knife rn

If it helps

Right but I also have zarona for those

So something to think abt I guess

[faint beacon]

God this match, idk why the lowest scoring Zealot was playing Auric Damnation

[marble mantle]

Do you still run serrated when you run FT?

If not, it’d give me an extra point

[somber axle]

Sorry just got home!

I can share with you the talent tree I use for Recon Psyker gameplay but I should warn I'm a much less experienced Psyker player so it's definitely not optimized LOL

someone else more familiar with Psyker could probably give more pointers on talent tree picks

[arctic thunder]

Almost lvl 30 got a 29 vet what should i look for when it comes to weapons and optimal builds?

[marble mantle]

Do you have an Ogryn named gordo? If so I think I played a game w you earlier

[arctic thunder]

my ogryn is named Albert lol hes 17

[marble mantle]

Oh never mind then lol

[arctic thunder]

sadge

[somber axle]

@soft trellis

here's what I use on my Psyker when I'm running with a Recon

[arctic thunder]

psyker talk go crazy in the vet channel

[somber axle]

rip

I should swap that point

Thanks!

[somber axle]

yeah it's goofy but like sometimes other classes come here to talk builds LOL

[arctic thunder]

tough for new players but i understand

[somber axle]

Vet chat just generally has people who know the ins and outs of weapons and talents available more often

Ogryns at least have the Ogrynomicon

[arctic thunder]

but fr any recommendations for vet builds?

lol

or should i just go to youtube for the basics?

[somber axle]

Depends on what weapon you're looking to use

Generally you can't go wrong picking up certain talents that nearly every build grabs though

[arctic thunder]

very new to darktide so im open to options

[somber axle]

Confirmed Kill or Out for Blood, Iron Will, at least ONE of the grenade regen options (Demo Stockpile > Demo Team)

[arctic thunder]

its hard to decide after so many updates and the addition to skill trees now

ive played very casually since launch

[feral stratus]

I just got this from a Auric malestorm. I know supercharged it's the optimal perk but idk about the rest

[somber axle]

OH WAIT NUMBERS CAT HAS THAT HP BREAKPOINT

ok so

you want to get a collective +34% HP from curios, curio perks and talents somehow

this will give you over 200 HP

lets you survive three poxburster pops

if you get at least one 20% sniper resist perk you can also take 2 sniper hits

being able to eat 3 poxbursters or 2 sniper shots without going down is a huge deal

you can do this easiest by getting 2 HP curios

your general survivability SKYROCKETS once you have that HP down

add in Voice of Command, Iron Will and Confirmed Kill and suddenly Vet becomes a very tough nut to crack in a fight

gold toughness from Voice of Command is just too good LOL

[rigid pilot]

Shield on gunker lets you alleviate suppression in chokepoints, but I guess there's always assail

[pastel yew]

shields also let you play so aggressively

gunker doesn't need more damage

though I am not a massive fan of scriers anyway

[rigid pilot]

DD is a crazy boost

Scriers is mainly a win-more

Which I don't really value

[pastel yew]

I run empowered psionics gunker

best build

I love that flay benefits from the damage stacks but doesnt use one

[rigid pilot]

That's just EP assail with a gun dip

[pastel yew]

honestly flay is 90% of the reason

I use gun psyker

[rigid pilot]

DD is

[pastel yew]

I think dd + void edges it out for me as it feels a lot less squishy

[rigid pilot]

DD lets void oneshot dreg gunner heads

[pastel yew]

also the nuke stick is

so much more satisfying

[rigid pilot]

Unless you want to run +unarmored void lol

[pastel yew]

does it not one shot with full warp stacks?

[rigid pilot]

No

[pastel yew]

if not yikes

warp stacks suck anyway

[rigid pilot]

Well it's 1k damage on heads

[pastel yew]

I hate the idea behind using your ability gutting your damage

[rigid pilot]

So you need 40%

[pastel yew]

disrupt destiny is still massively slept on

I have seen like

[rigid pilot]

It's not really

[pastel yew]

one psyker using it

[rigid pilot]

Is just that pubs don't know what they're doing

Like you never see scriers in pubs

[pastel yew]

you see scriers on almost every gun psyker

[rigid pilot]

Or a proper knife build without lacerate

[pastel yew]

because they go on youtube

and search gunpsyker

and copy that

[rigid pilot]

I have literally never seen a gunker

Probably region

[pastel yew]

really?

they're not as common anymore but

there was a time where at least half of the psykers in my game were

[rigid pilot]

It's just a gun shield or gun smite

Unless they were running gun smite gaze

[pastel yew]

I'm quickplay so

its always random

[rigid pilot]

Don't you mean monstrous specialist

[pastel yew]

daemonhosts

[rigid pilot]

No one's going around fighting daemonhost as a gunker

[pastel yew]

they get stuck in their animation its so sad

[rigid pilot]

I have never seen anyone do that

[pastel yew]

sloooooooooowly standing up

[torpid grotto]

dropped 1 mil damage the first time I tried DD void recently

switched over from warp charges

[pastel yew]

yeah its practically made for the void staff its so perfect

doesn't help that all the other staffs require 0 skill to use

I wish psyker had more weapons that require you to actually like... play the game

[torpid grotto]

purg requires the skill of guessing what enemies are behind your blue flames

void is the only projectile huh

[pastel yew]

yup

they're all aoe or point and click

smite, assail, and brain rupture too

[hearty panther]

300k actual damage

700k groaner overkill damage

[idle pecan]

What is godroll on revolver. What is it's dump stat(s)

[uncut pebble]

Depends on the revolver.

You want a zarona or an agripinaa?

[idle pecan]

The quick draw one sorry

[uncut pebble]

They're both called "quickdraw stub revolvers."

[idle pecan]

Oh

[uncut pebble]

The ADS one or the fan the hammer one?

[idle pecan]

Which one does the most damage?

The fan hammer one ig

[uncut pebble]

Can't answer you on that then, sorry.

[idle pecan]

What about the ads one

[uncut pebble]

If you were looking for a zarona I could help.

[idle pecan]

What's groll on the zarona then

I'm honestly looking to build one of each

[uncut pebble]

The blessings are surgical and hand cannon.

Perks are dependent on the setup you're using.

[idle pecan]

Oops, all critical headshots on elites

[uncut pebble]

Mine is carapace and elite damage so I am more effective at dropping maulers/crushers and I hit both 1tap bps for gunners.

[idle pecan]

Bps?

[uncut pebble]

Breakpoints.

I.e. "I need to hit it this many times to kill it."

My revolver 1shots both types of gunners without a crit, but it requires a headshot.

As for the dump stat...

It's got both mobility and reload speed, no?

Neither of those have to be particularly high, but they help out if they're a decent %.

Anywho, vet has a lot of damage talents, so your perks are definitely going to be subject to your build.

Big kicker here is you want surgical and hand cannon for a zarona.

[idle pecan]

Gotcha

I wanna high noon all the baddies

Ciag getting boring

[torpid grotto]

if you dont have maniac damage, you're gonna rely on getting a crit to one shot trappers and flamers

so keep in mind you'll often be wasting 2/5 bullets on them if you dont have it

[soft trellis]

I think the main changes I would make to that tree is instead of taking Mettle and Perfect Timing I would take 2 other +15 toughness talents myself... Otherwise those options after both the career skill and keystone were the ones I chose for my initial build <.<'

Eh... I might also change anticipation out for either quietude, soulstealer, or mettle/perfect timing tbh...

[torpid grotto]

quietude is kind of a must take

its your biggest source of peril regen

I mean toughness

[marble mantle]

What’s high noon vet

Exe Stance fan hammer revolver?

That could be fun honestly even if that’s not it

[torpid grotto]

the quell 10% peril randomly on kill talent is even worse if youre not getting toughness from it

quelling from 100% peril after scrier's gaze outpaces like several trash gunners shooting you at once

[soft trellis]

I also am using the dueling sword 4, so dodge count isn't as much of a stressing factor imo...

Doing 900 damage to crushers with each heavy is nice, when I have all 5 stacks of t2 uncanny strike... I know I want to get t4 uncanny strike for my dueling swords, but, I only have t2 available so I am making due with what I have x.x

[midnight totem]

anybody up for aurics?

[idle pecan]

What is max dodge count

[grand perch]

its him

[sonic skiff]

i have never touched the plasma gun

is this a good one

[elder fiber]

No

[torpid grotto]

continue to never touch it

filthy noob gun

[rigid pilot]

What games are you playing

[hidden torrent]

Googoogaga tbh

[crude fiber]

which weapons have innate suppression resist again?

[rigid pilot]

Any weapon with decent hipfire

Ads is affected the most by suppression

[last parcel]

helbore hipfire

[rigid pilot]

Basically the laspistols or other similar

Helbore too

[somber axle]

Zarona Revolver has suppression immunity on hipfire, but not when aiming down sights
Plasma and Shotgun are suppression immune
Helbores and Laspistols are so suppression resistant that at a glance they appear suppression immune (and might as well be tbh)
Ogryn guns are all immune
Psykers staves are immune

I might be missing something

[last parcel]

could it be the scab trapper

[somber axle]

Can we get a net gun as the next weapon

[rigid pilot]

Ogryn guns and psyker staves don't have ads so checks out

[somber axle]

Lemme shoot a net at a charging mutie and then beat it to death with a shock maul

[last parcel]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[somber axle]

Infiltrate Vet + Net gun

sneak up on sniper

he's mine now

him AND his longlas

[tall torrent]

Shredder autopistol
Combat shotguns (all 3)
Assault shotgun
Plasma

[somber axle]

THE SHREDDER

[tall torrent]

Laspistol & Helbore have minimal suppression (not immune but very low accuracy loss)

[somber axle]

I knew I was forgetting one

[last parcel]

shredder chads stay winning

[rigid pilot]

Net gun a mutant and tickle their toes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[somber axle]

that's it you're going in the net

https://tenor.com/view/luvdosed-gif-20481603

[thorn lark]

what is high noon vet? Oo

[thorn lark]

what is the build omfg

[radiant chasm]

I have never seen a pub vet do this

[inland orchid]

what happens when u mix 2 damage boosting abilities, and a fuck ton of other damage multipling addons

[radiant chasm]

Besides like once

[thorn lark]

deadshot, focus target, big ones dmg, exec stance...

[inland orchid]

dont forget bout the talent node that gives u more weak spot damage

[thorn lark]

probably unyielding on the zarona and sustained fire

trickshooter maybe§

precision strikes and the 20% power node on weakspot

[inland orchid]

now ur cookin

all these gorey ingredients for a very beautiful result

[somber axle]

that's the agripina revolver but you can do it with the zarona revolver too

it'd just be slower on the fire rate

...and slower on the reload

[inland orchid]

speedloader VS manual loading

[junior needle]

It's a meme build to party trick bosses, it's not a comparatively effective weapon outside of that one gimmick

You take all the on ult damage boosts because there's weird math

Also it has better unyielding damage for some reason

[hidden torrent]

I sense recon envy

[hidden torrent]

High noon vet is a skilled version of TH zealot

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-oven-gif-22673229

[hidden torrent]

Still jealous of my recon Las gun

Seethe

[last parcel]

yeah yeah go shit in the sink again

[gilded rock]

Bait used to be believable

[junior needle]

No baking the cat

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-microwave-burnt-bye-cat-gif-25613088

[last parcel]

pusheen my dick in your mouth lmao

[hidden torrent]

Prove it

[last parcel]

tier 3 subscribers only

[junior needle]

Present it

[rigid pilot]

Wth is a high noon vet

[thorn lark]

I mean, why not in 3veg

[last parcel]

bing image search mccree sfm

[rigid pilot]

Overwatch SFM

[tall torrent]

elite + maniac, surgical + hand cannon

[lean bloom]

What should I change?

[placid portal]

mmmmm High noon Trickshot Agripinaa revolver 🤤

People not acknowledging its existence bc Zarona exists

[rigid pilot]

I definitely Agrippina every night

[lusty sapphire]

I hate ppl that don't even make an attempt at finishing the first event on chasm station quickly

Why do they like to sit in the back instead of covering the ppl ready to do the hacking?

Stuff is just gonna spawn endlessly

[junior needle]

Perks, shattering is useless but those are more important

[gilded rock]

Is competitive urge for in coherency or can it proc from anyone anywhere?

It doesn't say it's in coherency but I would assume it'd be

[frank ledge]

Ok hear me out
Combat specialist plasma

[tall torrent]

Reload to elite, shattering to blaze/gloryhunter or swap specialist to flak
It’s not perfect but it’ll do

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist plasma got nerfed this patch, it’s not rly worth now

[frank ledge]

Won't stop me

Besides I only play vet with it and volver otherwise

I love to spam ping so no middle and I can't land headshots

Could go back to no termination

[mellow adder]

Should I change anything or keep as is?

[rigid pilot]

It's great

[frank ledge]

[idle pecan]

did melk just bless me

this looks like it goes incredibly hard

[frank ledge]

idk I like my ammo

[limber karma]

Is there such a thing as tier 4 headhunter for the recon Las?

[last parcel]

yes

[limber karma]

Poured over 50k plasteel and diamantine but can't discover that blessing yet

[pallid jetty]

browsing through the nexus mods, and found a mod which replaces the titles in russian version to their russian prison slang versions (which you would understand only if you are really into this topic), and they even dont lose the meaning if i understand correctly, pretty funny mod considering we all are prisoners of some kind in the game

[digital sinew]

So I haven't played in awhile but now my Vet feels like they're running through mud all the time and my autogun feels like its a peeshooter... So how can I get my sprinting rambo feeling again?

[junior needle]

There's an ms aura and might (might, I don't remember) be an ms node

But you won't get anything like pre talent patch vet

Which gun are you using?

[last parcel]

under out for blood

[frank ether]

I do have a crackhead vet build

I know I yapped about how infil is not the best ult for doing agressive shit

but the right path tree has so many good things about it

[frank ether]

ofb is also absurdly good lol

been kinda sleeping on it since most my builds go middle path

[idle pecan]

anything i should change

[junior needle]

Probably swap one of the perks out for unarmored for dreg shooter one taps on charged shots

[idle pecan]

prolly switch elites maybe?

[idle pecan]

could you build me a talent tree for the helbore?

[junior needle]

I have not used a helbore in forever so it would be very generalist

Actually I haven't used them since before the bayonet spam was a thing so I'm especially out of touch

[hollow warren]

Well that's a level of cheeky-breeky I didn't except to see in Darktide

[limber karma]

are brittleness and rendingthe same thing?

[lilac sinew]

rending is a buff to you brittleness is an applied debuff

tldr brittleness buffs team wise damage

but it only works on enemy's that have armour eg make carapace equiv to flak

does nothing to bosses

well the usual three anyway it works on the twins

[lusty sapphire]

Let's explain this better. What brittleness and rending do is close the gap between a weapon's dmg and the dmg influenced by an armour's resistance modifier. If you weapon does 100dmg hitting a crusher might do only 60 dmg. Applying brittleness/getting rending will make you do more dmg, closer or true to 100 but never more

[lilac sinew]

@idle pecan this is what i run for helbore if it helps snipe specials for nadeability regen/ to help clear horde buff your teamates hope it helps :)

[lusty sapphire]

That's why when getting rending or brittleness you check your weapon's stats first

[lilac sinew]

^^ what they said is more accurate i was using the layman explanation poorly

[limber karma]

thanks for the explanation, i was trying the recon las build that stacks brittleness via the 3 path talent tree

wondering if i should get the rending node too

heard this build is viable again

[simple hedge]

So this may be a dumb question, but once I hit 30 how should I proceed with gearing up? Besides relying on random drops should I just spam the armory till I get some good rolls on weapons?

[lilac sinew]

correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i know you won't get a significant boost in damage out of that as you should already be approaching the 100/100 possible damage once brittle applys and would be better withone of the elite /specialist buff

[lilac sinew]

i would suggest only doing it for weapons you know you will like otherwise you end up playing the game to fuel the lotto instead of enjoying the game generally anything above 360 will hold you fine even in maelstrom should you choose the weapon stats aren't as important as the blessing and perk setup (tho they are still vital for a great roll)

[lusty sapphire]

Max rending/brittleness combined is 40% if I'm not wrong

So even getting all the rending/brittleness from your nodes will not go over that

[lilac sinew]

when farming blessings i would suggest only rolling to blue as the orange upgrade only has a slightly higher chance of rolling tier 4 and cost almost ~1000 plasteel more to achieve. weapon base level matters more to the rng calc for tier 4 anyway afaik

[junior needle]

To clarify, rending and brittleness still give you something at over 100% adm, but it's at a 1/4 value so it's generally not worth it.

They both counter falloff damage btw

[idle pecan]

is this worth upgrading

[junior needle]

100% is the rending cap, onslaught alone is 40 when stacked.

[lusty sapphire]

Oh cool

But then again i don't think it brings that much more value

[junior needle]

So t4 uncanny gives you a useless 20% rending that doesn't benefit you for no reason

[dreamy spade]

Huh

[junior needle]

[last parcel]

chadshark

[dreamy spade]

Shouldn't it stack like crit chance

[junior needle]

Rending strikes is very good for a fair few weapons

But onslaught is quite niche and basically just for crusher killing

[dreamy spade]

Monstrosities?🤨

[lusty sapphire]

And boss maelstrom

[junior needle]

Depends on the weapon, yes you will get it stacked but at 1/4 value it's only 10% damage boost.

Which I suppose is something if it's teamwide

[dreamy spade]

Idk what to do on my recon lasgun stamina build

I have flak and elite perks

But I'm so tempted to get stamina and crit chance

[junior needle]

Don't get stamina

It doesn't math out well

[dreamy spade]

It's the most chad vet build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c7ba9dc-a5d3-4534-b2c6-39296bda62df/recon-vet-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow warren]

what are your thoughts pals?

[junior needle]

Crit chance is fine but keep in mind that the typed damage boosts will be better for ttk

taxe 4 doesn't benefit much from brutal

[idle pecan]

what should i swap out on this

[junior needle]

Due to having a very hard time hitting bruiser breakpoints (you'd probably need multiple on ult damage boosts)

[hollow warren]

well I had to chose between bromentuml or All or Nothing

[junior needle]

You made the right choice

Not sure how going shred vs the flak change will compare overall

[dreamy spade]

All or nothing is good on weapons that have a good block attack

[junior needle]

I said something earlier but one of the perks for unarmored so you can bodyshot one tap dreg shooters with charged shots

If you're running exe you might not need it

[idle pecan]

ill change elites to unarmored

that seem good?

[junior needle]

I'd say elite is more valuable than unyielding generally

[idle pecan]

oh ok

then ill change unyielding to it

[junior needle]

Bulwarks/reapers/bosses are less pressing to shoot

[junior needle]

You'd be better off taking headhunter over infernus, especially on the slowest/hardest hitting variant

You may also not hit bruiser one taps without +unarmored

[dreamy spade]

But I actually want the crits to benefit more rather than just no ammo consumption talent

[junior needle]

The value you're getting won't be very good

[dreamy spade]

Also infernus is ammo positive because i often let them just burn to death

[lusty sapphire]

Is there a mod for more loadouts?

5 is so damn limiting

[junior needle]

Yeah that looks like a sneaky setup

[last parcel]

more loadouts and characters iirc

[lusty sapphire]

I need at least 10

[last parcel]

i have 20 so you should be good

[junior needle]

The crits themselves are plenty of reward, and critting more is better because shots are free and your direct damage does way more dps than infernus.

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah sounds good. It's annoying untangling half if your skill tree cause you want to try some stuff

[junior needle]

MF is not the most efficient take, you're also giving up tac awareness, iron will, and rending strikes.

[dreamy spade]

What about replacing dumdum, i never actually measured how close, close damage is

[lusty sapphire]

12.5

Meters

[junior needle]

No, that would be a terrible idea

Close range damage works like zealots anoint in blood

[last parcel]

no take off dumdum to be max chad

chads are no dum dums

[junior needle]

Full value up to 12.5, then tapering down over distance to about 47~ or something

[dreamy spade]

Oh it doesnt just cut off?

[junior needle]

It's a large, omnipresent damage boost against every target

It does not, it's extremely good

While infernus doing things is more "memorable" due to the kill feed from the burn on a target that slipped away

Dumdum is more effective, especially on the slow/hard hitting variant

[dreamy spade]

What about the brittleness burn synergy?

[junior needle]

I covered this earlier, one second

#veteran-class message

#veteran-class message

Onslaught doesn't apply on dots anymore and hasn't for a very long time, if that's what you meant

[dreamy spade]

But

The flame shots

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-eyes-beg-cat-gif-426057463396629046

[junior needle]

You can choose between performance or a funny visual that doesn't really do much

[winged warren]

mr path

i just saw a vet's psword 2 shot mauler

[last parcel]

send out the cauliflower signal

[winged warren]

why play melee class when ranged class has better melee

and survivability

[idle pecan]

should i upgrade this?

whats the difference between 17% penetration

[lilac sinew]

personally i would swap the perks blessings are great would suggest flak and carapace to make breakpoints easier to achieve and you can swap out later as need be for the threats you struggle with most tho i am not the most familar with the damage chart for the hellbore so someone else more knowledgable should speak up if i'm wrong

afaik weight of fire is best in slot tho

[torpid grotto]

You cant kite with psword

And too much shit at once will overwhelm the time needed to activate special

[grand perch]

And, you know, zealot gets freaking invulnerability and damage reduction out their ass

And crit builds

And more

[odd sparrow]

vets also gets a fuckton of damage reduction to be fair

[marble mantle]

It’s like so easy to kite with combat knife and it’s made it like really fun to almost fence with crushers and spawns

[odd sparrow]

33% from drill sergeant
50% from iron will

[marble mantle]

Big dodge back, sprint up and jab in the chrome dome

[torpid grotto]

I think overall, vet is more busted simply due to shout pee toughness. But movement speed and passive invuln of zealot makes them better for truly shit hits the fan scenarios

[slow spade]

Zealot is for handling bad situations

Vet is for making sure they never happen

[marble mantle]

Lol pee toughness

[last parcel]

a vet classic

pee shout for pee toughness, pee gun, pee sword, and pee ping

[tame lodge]

Can't tag right now, I'm making piss
VoC

[last parcel]

THE PISSING
NEVER ENDS

IF YOU CAN BREATHE
YOU CAN PEE

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gif-21127074

[tame lodge]

GET IN THERE
MAKE THEM PEE
or
PEE IN THERE
MAKE THEM SCREAM

[last parcel]

we scream for the stream

[obsidian locust]

I like the bolt pistol

[hearty panther]

well youre WRONG

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is fun and the silly candle isn't in the way anymore

But it was really funny when it was

[hearty panther]

puncture is really cool, wish more weps had that idea

also i miss the candle

like genuinely lmao

[somber axle]

I also miss how goofy this was

[crimson pebble]

The emperor guides my aim

[hearty panther]

you cant tell me that shit aint kino

[somber axle]

Can we get a helmet with candles glued to the face and our view is literally just fire

[lilac sinew]

the emperors light will guid your aim ( probs less jank than reg bolter irons

[somber axle]

New map modifier: Lights On

[tame lodge]

I also like the Bistol, on someone else's hand
Played with a vet yesterday and he definitely min maxxed that

[obsidian locust]

I like to have the bolt pistol and chain axe and pretend I’m Bail sharr

[somber axle]

I like to take a bolt pistol and shoot all 8 shots at a team mate whenever they go down to RP a Commissar

I didn't execute them but they know I would have

[obsidian locust]

King shit I just tried it out recently so I’ma figure out the best min max stuff for it

[obsidian locust]

King shif

[hearty panther]

like other than the difference in blessings

it really is just a quickdraw bolter

and when you think about it, its not like bolter blessings are that great to begin with

so bistol is pretty dope

sadly there's not a bunch of tech for me to practice/abuse with it but that's alright

only a gremlin like me would see that as a downside

[hard cave]

Which power sword is better?

Mark 6 or 3

[somber axle]

Power Sword Mk VI

[hard cave]

oh man,,,,

[somber axle]

Push attack is a strong thrust that combos into light swings very well for easy combos to kill Crushers

It also does diagonal lights for charged strikes into hordes

[torpid grotto]

That combo is so funny

It just feels so illogical

[somber axle]

Power Sword Mk III does horizontal heavies for a very satisfying head height swing carving off heads but the slower swing means the Power Sword Mk VI is generally safer for horde clear

[marble mantle]

GIVE THEM THE KASRKIN DOUBLE PEE

[somber axle]

They're both good but the VI is just all around better

[plain escarp]

penetration is a dump stat on this?

[grand perch]

unfortunately, no

mobility and defence is

[hearty panther]

eh

youre only missing 10% damage against armor types vs. an 80% roll

so i wouldnt lose sleep over it

the absolute bulk of the damage is the actual damage + shredder stat

(Its not even 10% btw its closer to 5-8 but it varies per armor type and attack)

[cinder wadi]

if there is smoke, will trappers have to get closer to shoot their net?

[marble mantle]

Good question. I know it reduces their range, but I don’t know if the trapper ai is aware of that

[terse idol]

Trappers get confused

[marble mantle]

That being said I’ve never seen anyone get trapped in smoke

[cinder wadi]

will test

[hearty panther]

i think their range is shortened

and that this effect ends immediately when they leave the smoke cloud proper

is my understanding

[sinful jacinth]

What are you guys using on the Ironhelm shotgun atm?

[carmine cradle]

haha now ur sights are unusable

[carmine cradle]

the bigget problem with smoke is just throwing a shredder frag is usually better

[tame lodge]

Did you find that trappers will have to hug you inside the smoke?

Or that flamers will move around a lot

[odd sparrow]

smokes would be much better if they didnt have to cook for so lon

[tame lodge]

Personally just want a screen indicator that I'm inside the smoke

Because the buff bar is not doing a good job rn

[odd sparrow]

thats fair

[thick thunder]

mr milk decided to give me a kiss on the lips this morning

[tall torrent]

Yes

[frank basin]

What a kind food he fed you

Rest of us get slops food

[grand perch]

whatd you for him to become your sugarmelky?

[marble mantle]

This makes me sad. Milk has never given me a kiss on the lips.

Anyone ever try running exe Stance with fan hammer revolver? Very Wild West stand-off vibes

[faint beacon]

As a HHA enjoyer I am extremely jealous

[shadow urchin]

Is the reload on that MK fast enough to keep the chain going?

I could also see it working with the talent that highlights Ogryns since it has killer unyielding damage

[marble mantle]

I think so, since it’s the full cylinder at once

Could be fun

[shadow urchin]

I'll have to add that to my TODO list

[marble mantle]

Lemme know how it goes, I’m at work rn

[somber axle]

Pay to lose is my fav mechanic LOL

A shame they fixed it

[hearty panther]

pay to lose lmao

the ultimate flex

[faint beacon]

P2L warriors 💪💪💪

[radiant chasm]

def not, mobility and defenses are dump stats

[gilded rock]

At least it's the fastest one to throw in the game to my knowledge

[plain escarp]

Hey guys I am looking for a veteran build/builds that use krak grenade, infiltrate, marksman focus & smoke grenade

Penances is the reason I want other builds

[midnight totem]

Maybe I should just put my own builds onto games lantern

[last parcel]

make sure you include an attractive thumbnail

https://tenor.com/view/vinesauce-meat-worm-earthworm-squish-gif-21201766

[shadow urchin]

So far, it's REALLY good at killing Ogryns. I took out like 6 reapers, a bulwark and a crusher with relative ease. Also good for batches of crushers. Reminds me of old Chastize+Revolver. Good times.

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/vinesauce-meat-worm-earthworm-squish-gif-9194933845721280785

[somber axle]

This leaves you with 3 more points to spend as you like

If you prefer Vanguard and Out for Blood you can swap the top tree to the right side and skip Confirmed Kill but generally Confirmed Kill is going to be better for survivability

If you're not a fan of Low Profile you could swap that to Hunter's Resolve

The three points give you some leeway to build for whatever your weapons need

Could grab Determined if your ranged weapon needs the suppression immunity, can comfortably reach Bring It Down if you need an Ogryn breakpoint, etc.

You could even drop 2 of the 3 points down the right path to get Trench Fighter Drill for the increased melee attack speed

Up to you

[marble mantle]

Oh damn sick lol, it sounded like fun

[plain escarp]

thx! what weapons should I use? that works for auric. I am tired of plasma & power sword

[uncut pebble]

I would change out for the emperor because that only takes effect once infiltrate breaks.

[plush jetty]

Does Deadshot still activates even if you have no stamina left ?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[last parcel]

that's th eonly one that doesn't lol

[uncut pebble]

Crit bonuses only apply when you have stamina.

[uncut pebble]

Really? Interesting. I take back what I said, then.

[plush jetty]

damn

[uncut pebble]

If deadshot worked when you didn't have stamina it would probably be a must-have take for all ranged builds outside of weapon specialist ones.

[faint beacon]

It would literally be superiority complex of you have to take or you’re actually throwing

[tame lodge]

It would have some gimmick such as infinite ammo recon 6d 10 stacks

[mortal horizon]

did they fix this? mine isn't lit

[tall torrent]

They temporarily patched it (removed flame on candle) so your ADS view isn’t obstructed

It’ll be patched further at a later date

[mortal horizon]

gotcha

i wish i liked the bolt pistol

i really want to like it

it just...feels pretty bad to use

the recoil is insane, the stagger isnt high enough (it can't self-proc execution on elites by just shooting, which sucks. At least in my testing in the meat grinder. Maulers etc you have to stagger them another way like shout or grenade, you can trigger it on maulers with the weapon push, but doesnt work on crushers) and the dmg is meh at best.

is there some secret to unlocking its potential im not trying?

ive tried it on both vet and zealot and both times felt like it was a handicap lol

[uncut pebble]

It's not meant to be a sniper pistol like the revolver is.

You want to use it at mid range or, if you have lethal proximity, point blank.

I like using it on weapon specialist builds with puncture and lethal proximity just so I can quick swap to it and crit something at point blank.

Also, aiming it isn't necessarily what you want to do. The hipfire is really accurate.

[slow spade]

Just shoot again 😎

"But ammo" good thing you have 80 rounds

[tame lodge]

That's what I've been saying

said like 5 times

[last parcel]

that's also how many times i shot to kill a poxhound

[tame lodge]

I really wanted to test if I could shoot the cover and have the shooters stand up due to explosion stagger

[hearty panther]

its a bolter

it has light geometry pen

very finnicky though

[tame lodge]

I had like 3 games with it lmao

[hearty panther]

its not plasma gun generous about it is the thing

[tame lodge]

And forgot to test that

[hearty panther]

so sometimes you shoot a box from a slightly different angle and it doesnt do shit

when it worked the last time

i usually just dont do it

not worth the ammo

[shadow urchin]

I've been enjoying it with Surgical, Deadly Accurate, Deadshot, Bring it Down and Focus Target. It's pretty good for hunting Oggies, and with good aim you can still deal with gunners at mid range, and if necessary you can wait for 100% crit with surgical.

It also is pretty good at anti-shooter, which is something I wouldn't waste ammo on with the revolver, usually.

[hearty panther]

best results are thin railings

[atomic zephyr]

me watching my team of three zealots vaccum up all the ammo as my reserves get lower and lower

and now theyre dead

unironically wouldnt have happened if i was able to shoot the shotgunner horde smh

literally the ONE ROUND i decide i dont feel like using an ammo efficient gun lmao

[hearty panther]

actually now i think on it more, bistol probs doesnt pen geometry

ive gotten hitmarkers but thats gotta be from the explosive round

[atomic zephyr]

bistol does not

[hearty panther]

cause i cannot recall doming a gunner dead that way

[atomic zephyr]

for some reason i actually like the bolt pistol but yeah its tough to use

[hearty panther]

its real nice

[atomic zephyr]

you have to treat it the same as a boltgun

take it slow, aim carefully

[last parcel]

i killed a scab shooter through one of the sheet metal railings but it might've had its head clipping through lol

[hearty panther]

as vet its exactly as efficient but easier to handle than the bigboi

[atomic zephyr]

its just better to whip out when things are getting tough which was my major gripe with the locke

[hearty panther]

(You have less ammo to start but with always prepared you hit 100 reserve so survivalist goes exaxtly as far)

you can quickdraw the bolter btw

if you love breaking your head in with tech

but obviously bistol just does that innately and better lol

[atomic zephyr]

the only tech my brain is wrinkly enough to pull off is the plasma gun reload

[hearty panther]

ye same principle

wait thats not it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18ymggy/everyone_can_quickdraw_the_bolter/

forgor where i had that

[shadow urchin]

mmm, just lost a QP match mid-Valkyrie intro speech

[last parcel]

classic quickplay

[shadow urchin]

My second match had 4 vets with Executioner Stance. We did not last long.

[last parcel]

lol get executed

[shadow urchin]

I died last, so I take that as a personal victory.

[kind crystal]

How is "accuracy" for the penance measured? 90% is just every 9 out of 10 bolts hit the target, or is there something else to it?

[solar zodiac]

mmmh an okay bolt gun from melk

oh wait no ,the bleed does not trigger on the splash 😦

[tall torrent]

It’s exactly that

[faint beacon]

Still you can work with it

Just change LP to something else

[tall torrent]

It’s bricked

[somber axle]

Hi sorry! I am at work so I'm bouncing back and forth a lot. That build should be fine for most weapons tbh. Desperado will help immensely if you go Knife. Personally I really enjoy the Fold Shovels, Chainswords and Combat Knives. The only awkward choice to avoid is the Devil Claw Catachan Swords. The parry is fun but they struggle as soon as flak bruisers, ragers or really anything above groaners/poxwalkers enter the horde. Kraks will at least offset DC Sword weakness to Crushers though. Also if you use one of the ranged weapons without suppression immunity I would recommend grabbing Determined on the left tree beside Precision Strikes. But you can safely ignore Determined if you grab Shotgun, Helbore or Laspistol. This talent tree should be good for Auric Damnation and Maelstroms since it grabs all the must haves for your standard Vet build minus Voice of Command and gold toughness (though you requested Infiltrate so you still have a good response personal survivability)

[somber axle]

Yeah the candle was fixed recently

No more pay to lose candle sadly

[plain escarp]

wow thank you! I'll be making something out of this tomorrow

[solar zodiac]

I actually like Lethal proximity for the bolt pistol

lethal proximity and run and gun makes it "I wanna hug you gunner wall" kind of gun

[pastel yew]

I just feel like there are so many other better choices than lethal prox