veteran-class

[somber axle]

Flak + Maniac or Crit Chance imo

Flak is the important one

[junior needle]

Only the 2/3/4 shot

in a salvo, not in your mag

[somber axle]

Maniac ADMs are better now so Maniac is slightly less important

Maniac is still a good pick though

are you looking at the funny numbers above heads to check the damage bonuses to those follow up shots

[junior needle]

Jester, why you lie to joe ogryn

Yes

[somber axle]

because your interface is funky and doesn't show it correctly

[junior needle]

After the 4th shot, it increases by 113 every time, the regular damage.

[zenith helm]

thoughts?

[gilded rock]

Your will be done @somber axle

[junior needle]

I fail to see how my interface would show anything different

[somber axle]

I will verify again! Because I swear this came up a while ago and when I tested it worked like that

[gilded rock]

Clearly a sign

[somber axle]

AHAHAHAH YESSS PERFECT CARAPACE

welcome to the onslaught team

onslaught + rending strikes is now your life and that gun will eat Crushers alive

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-done-well-emperor-gif-23240292

[junior needle]

It could've been a recent change

Carapace is lower value than 5% crit or maniac but it's acceptable

[junior needle]

Unarmored is "ok", crit chance is bad, speedload is not terribly impressive.

[somber axle]

Fatshark repeatedly changing info so I continue to look like a clown (but this is what I WANT)

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-losing-my-mind-losing-my-marbles-smg4-glitch-productions-gif-7170847602410935396

[last parcel]

it just makes you look like a redditor tbh

[gilded rock]

This look like it'll do the job? @somber axle

nm that doesn't have rending oopsie

[junior needle]

ws is not the most efficient take if you want ranged performance on them

[somber axle]

NO NOT THAT ANYTHING BUT THAT

[zenith helm]

what blessings for accatran 6d recon las gun?

[last parcel]

this is the fire rate meme

[junior needle]

Headhunter + dumdum or infernus

[somber axle]

no no hear me out Recon Mk VId Weapon Specialist Celerity stim

[gilded rock]

I was about to consider taking FT instead but so true

[somber axle]

taste the speed

[zenith helm]

ty

[gilded rock]

Taste the leather of the big ammo pickup.. mmm

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20760081

[last parcel]

speed is what i call my semen

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-going-insane-the-amazing-digital-circus-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-gif-8181208254214601644

[gilded rock]

Math nerds, how much am I losing out when I don't take +15% base elite damage talent

[somber axle]

15% elite damage

for a non meme answer that's more breakpoint specific

it depends on if your build needs that to hit a breakpoint or not

[junior needle]

Here I thought you were a grill

[somber axle]

if your weapon doesn't need it, it's functionally useless

[gilded rock]

In relation to this build

[somber axle]

if it helps you hit a breakpoint (and it probably does) then it is worth having

[last parcel]

recon breakpoints

[gilded rock]

Should I drop it for rending? Or drop exhilarating up top?

[junior needle]

I'd drop the starting left nodes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hail-caesar-channing-tatum-burt-sailors-sailor-gif-5074042

[junior needle]

Longshot was nerfed with the close range change and you have iron will and the other thing

[gilded rock]

I prefer to keep exhilarating because it's good survivability but if I miss out on lots of damage I'll lose it

[junior needle]

Plus overshout

[somber axle]

tbh I'd drop Longshot and Exhil for Rending Strikes

and keep everything else as is

[last parcel]

get the sprint efficiency for skirmisher synergy

[frank ledge]

Ok but what if, you run a helbore stabby build?

[tall torrent]

depends on if ur weapons need it for breakpoints

[zenith helm]

which version of the accatran las guns is best?

[gilded rock]

This talent tree bug annoying asl

If I wanted to reset I would press E

[junior needle]

2 or 7a

They all do about the same dps and have the same adm's, but the 6d has noticeably less ammo efficiency and worse handling for no reason.

[zenith helm]

gotcha

[last parcel]

starting power

[somber axle]

This is a hard thing to answer because the answer is none of them are better than any of the others at everything

LEMME PULL THE CHART

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-whiteboard-fa-fo-f-around-find-out-gif-27532870

[somber axle]

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

Recon Mk VId has the highest rate of fire, Recon Mk VIIa has a cleave value of 3 on each shot. To explain the cleave it means it can shoot 2 poxwalkers down (each has a hit mass of 1.2) so the first shot will penetrate it and strike the target behind it too. This is extra helpful for cleaving through hordes to hit a Rager in the middle of them

keep in mind the DPS difference on single target between the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa is only like 200-400 DPS depending on build so you may value the cleave on shot more

but that's a personal preference thing

ultimately the slightly extra damage isn't going to change much for time to kill on anything but it will be a bit more damage on boss fights for sure

Recon Mk VId does Carapace better because it's the only Recon to squeeze good value out of Onslaught

the other two have fire rates too slow to actually stack it to any meaningful degree in a reasonable amount of time

Also yes keep in mind that the Recon Mk VId has both a slower swap speed and a slower reload speed

so the handling will feel a bit worse compared to the other two but the fire rate makes it VERY fun imo

Recon Mk II is my current fav for general relaxed play, but Recon Mk VId is the most fun of the three for going all in on ranged attack speed through weapon specialist and celerity stim in matches

it just gets so, so funny

anyway yeah there's no right answer other than like

pick which ever you like most

but beware how fast the Recon Mk VId drinks ammo if you like spraying into hordes a lot

[gilded rock]

I have given it the psykh test

...

https://tenor.com/view/itwillkill-forgedinfire-it-will-kill-gif-5240853

[somber axle]

I'm doing a clown build before I go to sleep

[gilded rock]

I want to try this in a match sop bad but I am trying to sleep earlier lately

[last parcel]

wait for the sunrise

[somber axle]

with triple stam curios

and triple sprint efficiency

[mortal horizon]

what are the good marksman focus augments if going for executioners stance build?

[somber axle]

and triple stam regen

so I can run forever

spray deadshot away

swap melee and swing fast while stam regens

then resume the SPRAY

[last parcel]

SKIRMISHER

[somber axle]

OH RIGHT SKIRMISHER

I can give up Trench Fighter I guess LOL

[last parcel]

no time for trenches

we fight in no mans land

[frank ether]

lmao

honestly the voice actor did a fantastic job despite the lines given to him

but I had enough of cadian yapping and went back to loose cannon

cadia deez

cadia that

[mortal horizon]

is this really bad? i havent build left side in a long time lol

[frank ether]

bad in the sense that its an exe build? Yeah

otherwise carry on

[mortal horizon]

ya i just wanna try one havent used it in ages i usually go wep specialist and shout or stealth

[frank ether]

The problem in practice with exe-mf build is

you built so much into gun side of things

and the things you invested in also ask for constant upkeep

that its what I call sunken cost playstyle

honestly some guns make it work though

like this with a helbore? Why not

then there are the finesse guns that work on literally any loadout

looking at infantry autoguns, laspistols, revolvers etc

these will literally work with any loadout you throw them in

[grand perch]

I seem to recall helbores don't reach any new notable breakpoints with exec stance? Marked enemies are still very useful ofc especially if you run unmodded iron sights

[frank ether]

Depending on mark they do impact breakpoints

helbore 3 now requires exe and mf both to reach the crusher one tap breakpoint

[fathom wedge]

How's recon las these days in comparison to IAG and braced for monkeys such as myself who like to cruise control on the fire button

[frank ether]

I found it pretty ok

they still drain ammo but now kill things pretty acceptably and do some unholy unyielding damage

[idle pecan]

is this good

[frank ether]

could be worse

I'd change devastating strikes for either rampage or the bleed blessing

and then probably get rid of groaner perk for something more useful

like I don't know? flak, maniac, unyielding.. anything but groaner really.

[idle pecan]

is it worth buying from melk

[frank ether]

eh, I wouldn't

[idle pecan]

found that at brunts

[frank ether]

mobility and those rolls are a bit rough but if you have nothing better might aswell hit it

at least I would, since I'm sitting on like 50k plasteel

[idle pecan]

😐

[frank ether]

rough

[idle pecan]

my melee rn

[frank ether]

I'm always bottlenecked by ordo rather than plasteel

[frank ether]

this seems pretty godrolled to me

[idle pecan]

and my primary

[frank ether]

also fine

[idle pecan]

it goes sicko mode i swear

[frank ether]

I got bored of ciag

[last parcel]

you don't have to swear lol it's a ciag

[frank ether]

so I'm playing around with recons now

[grand perch]

That looks like a borderlands stat screen

[frank ether]

recon on psyker is really funny

[idle pecan]

recon lazguns are so fun

[grand perch]

Clearly a bandit gun

[idle pecan]

esp with infernus

[frank ether]

zero recoil beam gun

[idle pecan]

6d shreds bosses

i swear

[frank ether]

It still has that disgusting onslaught interaction

I have a weapon spec build for it

I could do focus mark for disgusting boss deletion but I already do that with agri revolver

I like it when the angry recon gets angrier though

[junior needle]

Their unyielding damage shouldn't be any different compared to the others

It's a 75% modifier

Which is the same as flak

Oh wow, maniac is now the least bad modifier on them at 80%

[frank ether]

doesnt really matter your talents shit out rending

I never thought of magdumping crushers as an acceptable use of ammo for any gun so I don't really care about crusher TTKs

[junior needle]

It still makes you have to path into rending, compared to weapons that have beeg positive multipliers or basically 100% already

[frank ether]

but you do some easy boss damage by literally just looking at boss and holding m1 at its vague direction

I don't know how people build recons

but I do not touch exe or mf

[junior needle]

Well that's any automatic, but they don't do any extra damage to unyielding

No surprise big crit or weakspot values just for that type

[eternal ember]

So uh, what should I replace here?

[junior needle]

How bad are you at clicking heads

Because if you can click heads, you'll want to replace infernus with HH

[somber axle]

those are the best blessing pairing for psyker

[eternal ember]

I'm fine with popping heads

[somber axle]

but yeah soldier 69 is right for Vet

[junior needle]

[somber axle]

you definitely want Headhunter over Infernus

[junior needle]

Oh wait, my mind read that as perks

I apologize

[somber axle]

it's ok it's late my brain is also mush

[junior needle]

Though it sucks to not be able to grab that blessing

The optimal choice would be infernus>hh and sprint eff to flak

[eternal ember]

It is what it is

[somber axle]

it's ok

maniac isn't strictly necessary

unarmoured is eh but it's also not bad

it's not like it's poxwalkers or infested

it's still ok for improving TTK on gunner squads

and they're EVERYWHERE so

Flak + Maniac might be better but Flak + Unarmoured is fine

[junior needle]

Maniacs need to be dropped in a more timely manner, and are beefier

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-manic-save-me-gif-27193560

[somber axle]

do you wanna see something goofy

[last parcel]

already looking at it

[somber axle]

but I'm so sneaky

I can't be seen

anyway that goofy ALWAYS RUNNING build doesn't do crazy amounts of damage BUT it is really funny with weapon specialist and celerity stim

the damage is objectively less than exe stance and some more funny juice

it's still hilarious hearing that fire rate

just listen to that baby purr

[pale spear]

In this case i would say replace the perks with increased crit chance and flak armor

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/a10-beloved-gif-27706539

the silliest thing is seeing how little triple stam curios and celerity stim work to slow down how fast the Recon Mk VId chews through stamina

[dire breach]

Hey guys, is Gunner damage resistance any good on the vet?

[last parcel]

my body is a machine that turns BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT into blue on blue

[placid portal]

Pretty cool stuff but normal shooters are not affected by gunner resist 😭

[somber axle]

I swapped to a different Recon with 80% damage, 25% cara, 10% elite and then pushed a dog in front of the crusher to test DPS with celerity stim and agile engagement and it hits the 3600 DPS point with Dum Dum + Infernus and crits fed from Deadshot LMFAO

it's incredibly conditional but also incredibly silly

ok that's enough clown science because I will die at work tomorrow if I stay awake too much longer

[unique orchid]

darktide clown science is some of the finest

[grand perch]

How many sneaky cats can emerge from a Valkyrie

[last parcel]

doesn't matter since you won't notice them

[grand perch]

But they're clowns and meant to be noticed. That's some tzeentchian shit

[winter grove]

Stealthiest clowns with squeaky shoes

[grand perch]

It's like that SpongeBob episode

[lusty sapphire]

Is execution worth anything on a bolt pistol?

[winter grove]

What it do

[lusty sapphire]

Dmg bonus vs staggered

[winter grove]

Ehhh

Surgical DA is better

[lusty sapphire]

Honestly i could just change both blessing

Unfortunately no extra flak but elite will do.

[unique orchid]

See Also: Eldar - Harlequins

[odd sparrow]

dont need flak on boltgun. Already hits 1hit against flak gunner and doesnt reach 1 hit against flak rager anyway

[pastel yew]

execution is good

though

better if you have sources of stagger

so shout, grenades, the new shockmaul counts I think

either way its just 20% damage on your second shot so

if you were gonna hit twice it's 10% exta damage

[warped gazelle]

U can change it in the new update when ever

[forest maple]

Which one? Got a perfect perk/blessing roll just now, the one on the right but i'm wondering if the stats are too low for anything

[solemn inlet]

I'd just wait for unlocks in next bg update. Both these will perform well

[junior needle]

Go into the psyk and check your bruiser breakpoints

[forest maple]

bruisers are the unarmored head, flak chest melee units?

[junior needle]

Those are scab bruisers

Dreg bruisers have a flak helmet and unarmored chest

You need one taps on both

[forest maple]

with zero headtaker stacks?

[junior needle]

Depends on how much juice you're running

Technically not even needing headtaker stacks would be the best but

Needing a couple is fine

It's there for a reason

[forest maple]

i could also grab the T4 headtaker from the right and place it to the left so i'm left with better base stats and 8% weakspot damage versus worse stats and losing 25% maniac

which seems alot

8% weakspot surely helps with the oneshots

so might be skewed

[last parcel]

mods, post the weakspot damage formula

[junior needle]

It could, but weakspot damage is not very good

It only affects the bonus damage of weakspot hits and not the whole hit

So if you do 100 on the body, and 110 on the head, 10% weakspot will make your headshots do 111

[forest maple]

wow thats ass

so its like it has only 1 perk

damn okay

[junior needle]

crit damage works the same way

[lusty sapphire]

Honestly tho, why?

What is their thinking behind this?

[grand perch]

It's spaghetti code and arcane number mysticism. Who knows

[forest maple]

@junior needle none of the two rashads one-shot the bruisers. First one does like 30 more damage than the second rashad on a normal headshot left click

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

it's headtakin time

[forest maple]

yeah without headtaker stacks

nvm, with a change of talents on my melee vet, the first rashad one shots both

so first one seems better with the 8% weakpoint for those

but the second destroys maniacs.... Hmmmm

[junior needle]

Check it with headtaker stacks and determine if the point expenditure is worth it

[final locust]

ya think this looks good?

[last parcel]

i barely noticed the difference between those pants and the regular green pants sets

[final locust]

yeah

i think they look alright but not good enough to justify buying them

I just prefer the baggier look kinda

[forest maple]

second one wasn't worth it from my testing so i just yoinked the headtaker t4 and put it on the first. The first rashad was performing way better because of the higher stats

[forest maple]

The sentry pants are so bad looking. These actually go better with it

i might grab em

[lusty sapphire]

This is a paid cosmetic !?!?!?!?

[forest maple]

the pants

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah that's why I got so triggered

[final locust]

the breeches are indeed paid cosmetic

[lusty sapphire]

Insane

[forest maple]

and super overpriced

[pastel yew]

cmon... I'm sure they put whole minutes of work into color changing this from another cosmetic

that work aint free

[fleet thicket]

guys

i was wondering i got both garia and agripinaa on my vet

which one is better on vet?

IAGs btw

i both these guns on my vet and

zealot

[pallid jetty]

the one that can shoot bullets

[tame lodge]

Get the Agri

[pallid jetty]

everything is good

[fleet thicket]

They all shoot bullet

[tame lodge]

Indeed
But comparing Aiag with Giag
Aiag has a higher damage per shot with some cleave
Giag has more boollets, shoot faster and it's pretty stable

[pallid jetty]

every weapon is good

exept ogryn p maul

p maul is dog shit

[tame lodge]

At the end of the day the IAGs don't fall behind on dps and it becomes a question of preference

[fleet thicket]

Ehm

They buffed it dude

[pallid jetty]

even after the buff i kinda dont feel it

[fleet thicket]

You really should

Read The patch notes

[pallid jetty]

i red it

and?

[fleet thicket]

It fucks now

It fucks harrrd

[pallid jetty]

if i read the notes i should like the weapon now?

[fleet thicket]

Brutal momentum on it chops more heads than the shovels now

[pallid jetty]

i made a few runs with it and it made me want to return to cleavers and picks

[fleet thicket]

Ohhh whar did you buikd on it?

[pallid jetty]

bromentum, at least

others i dont remember

[fleet thicket]

Also its not really a dps weapon it's for the Tank or the gun lugger build

Please tell me you had skull crusher

Cuz thats even more important

[pallid jetty]

i will boot the game and tell you

[pallid jetty]

this

[fleet thicket]

Oksy remove that maniac my friend put infested on it

Also

[fleet thicket]

64 damage

Come on man of course your cleavers will do more damage

[pallid jetty]

why should i remove maniac if infested has only little zombies and dogs, when maniac has ragers and specials

[fleet thicket]

Cuz your

Special

Ignores

Armor type

Does full damage no matter the enemy

[pallid jetty]

i dont like using special attack so much, its too slow

[fleet thicket]

While infested gives you 1 shot break point (well with 70% damage and above) on poxwalkers

[pallid jetty]

and often i need to act fast

[fleet thicket]

So you cleave through

Pox walker heads with BM

[pallid jetty]

i dont care about hordes anyway

its shit with other enemies

[hybrid token]

love slapping through and one shotting 3 or 4 elites with 1 powermaul special

[fleet thicket]

Well then dude don't complain about weapon if you using it wrong xD

[pallid jetty]

you think you so smart?

xD xD

xD

[fleet thicket]

I mean

No

I'm a ogryn player

[pallid jetty]

everyone is an ogryn player

[fleet thicket]

But I know what paul doss at least its a tricky weapon

[pallid jetty]

but i will try it one more time

[fleet thicket]

I mean if you don't believe me ask hank or kerfus for help cuz I promise you it's not bad weapon

[pallid jetty]

maybe i really didnt get something

[fleet thicket]

What's your horde rotation ?

You want H1 H2

[pallid jetty]

and dont put this xD after messages, this makes me want to punch you in the face

[last parcel]

rawr xD

[fleet thicket]

H1 btw if you do L L L will go into your single target combo

[fleet thicket]

[hybrid token]

paul always been good

[pallid jetty]

not even reading your guides, i will figure this out on my own

[fleet thicket]

Hey lily haven't seen you here since begilion years ago

[last parcel]

pounces on you

[fleet thicket]

Dude

[hybrid token]

why

are you blind

[fleet thicket]

No?

I just spend most of my time in ogryn chat

[pallid jetty]

oh you're his viewer, i see now

[fleet thicket]

Who ?

I just got this from server I joined

I don't even remember which servers

[hybrid token]

dam thats a lot of elites and specials

[fleet thicket]

Do you like the new recons then ?

I remember thar was your favourite gun

[hybrid token]

is good

didnt buff it to much so people still not playing it

very good

dont like when everyone uses my gun

need to be special snowflake

[fleet thicket]

Join my

Snowflake club then

Start using Agri hh

No one uses it

And is hidden op

[wanton dawn]

There are some ppl that use it. Saying its better than bolter among other thing

[fleet thicket]

Agri hh?

[wanton dawn]

Ah, no, the vrak

[fleet thicket]

Which vrak ?

[wanton dawn]

The single shoy

[fleet thicket]

Cuz all of them are fucking busted

Oh single Shot one with surgical one tabs everything

[wanton dawn]

I dont like them at all anyway

[fleet thicket]

People hate the sight

So its understandable

[wanton dawn]

I dont like weapon with dmg profile overreliant on hs to catch up

[last parcel]

vraks 7 more like vraks semen

[wanton dawn]

Subtle

[fleet thicket]

You enjoy taking it?

[last parcel]

[fleet thicket]

Sorry I couldn't help it

[hearty panther]

we talking about semen?

[fleet thicket]

XD

hey guys btw

has anyone been using ps3

with sunder ?

if you havent yet you really really should

[tame lodge]

I've been using that since December

Still no Pc 4 though

[fleet thicket]

whats the mimimum stabilityh

should be guys?

[lusty sapphire]

Whatever you are comfortable handling

[tame lodge]

I mean it's a Giag, the stability is pretty decent

I just don't know the minimum

[mint ember]

what knife is better ?

[torpid grotto]

Both about the same but lacerate is a bad pick

[crimson pebble]

[torpid grotto]

But being real Ive seen someone clutch for 10 min using a lacerate knife. Use it if its fun for you

[crimson pebble]

Incase you didnt know bleed stacks cap out at 16

[torpid grotto]

Also you need uncanny to make bleed to any real damage to crushers

Do

[final locust]

new mission is cool

[slow spade]

New mission needs more barrels and boss spawns at the start

[last parcel]

first target is really important

[terse idol]

Stability doesn't really matter

[thorn lark]

New mission is an OSHA nightmare

[balmy flume]

IIRC extra barrels is a map condition…or at least, a Maelstrom one.

[tame lodge]

Usually accompanied by Enhanced Blitz

[lyric dock]

Nice 380 from Brunt

[junior needle]

Lacerate bad, stop putting it on weapons

Trying to use it actually slows down your clear speed

[frank ledge]

fellow veterans

best recon lasgun?

[shadow aurora]

Probably blue

That was the best one before buffs

And buffs were universal im pretty sure

So should stay the same

[last parcel]

here's a wall of text for you to browse
#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

2 or 7a

[frank ledge]

[shadow aurora]

I feel like theyre all pretty comparable

[junior needle]

Please keep in mind that sneaky general uses unconventional setups that are generally unpleasant to play, and so the advice she gives is generally skewed for the average person.

[shadow aurora]

So just choose the one you like

[junior needle]

She also places unusually high value on crusher dps to the point of taking carapace/elite perks instead of the much better flak/maniac

[frank ledge]

I run psyker bolt pistol

Can-t be that bad

[junior needle]

They all have about the same dps now, and the same ADM's. The 6d is the worst one by an objective measure, having noticeably worse ammo efficiency and nerfed handling/reload speed for no reason now. It is however subjectively the best feeling due to fire rate.

[frank ledge]

I also still run the funny bayonet build on my god roll helbore

Just looking for new weapons to grind

Perfection

[tall torrent]

I thought sneaky cat was a guy this whole time

[frank ledge]

[shadow aurora]

Recon ex stance is a drug

[last parcel]

neutered cat

[shadow aurora]

Closest i have to hellgun gameplay atm

[junior needle]

Na, she corrected me in chat one time and also I played with her in voice chat to verify

But it's generally safe to assume that anyone you meet on niche internet gaming forums is a guy

You will rarely be proven incorrect

[somber axle]

Who I am irl doesn't matter tbh

I am the clown with the Recon

[junior needle]

What matters is my plan

[last parcel]

you're a domestic terrorist

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-12311761

[somber axle]

We don't need a plan where we're going

I want to play more of my dumb stamina build

[junior needle]

For you

[somber axle]

It was very goofy

Never stop sprinting

[last parcel]

have you tried it with a run n gun weapon

[somber axle]

Does Fatshark have a suggestion box because like

Run n Gun on Recons

Let me sprint forever and shoot while sprinting

[last parcel]

yeah

[pseudo fiber]

If strawhat comes around asking for questions for the creating update ask if they can put run and gun on the recons lmao

[somber axle]

It's not a paper shredder! I'll take it

I hope the big crafting update expands the pool of blessings available for all weapons tbh

More options could be fun

[last parcel]

surgical recon

[forest maple]

I've very, very scared for the itemization update

[somber axle]

Could you imagine Run n Gun + Stripped Down with Deadshot + Duck and Dive? Sprint around and never stop shooting for infinite dodging ranged attacks and infinite feeding Recon burst

[pseudo fiber]

What part?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/choo-choo-train-wreck-fight-gif-15994683

too bad ads stops the sprint

[hearty panther]

you cant ADS and RnG

so

[somber axle]

Oh right yeah whoops

[hearty panther]

yea

[forest maple]

1. If the new system would be worse than what we currently have, based on the few details we have available.

2. They didn't mention if its account-wide progress

[somber axle]

I just woke up and felt my name through the aether so I was summoned

[last parcel]

do vah kiin

[shadow aurora]

New system wont be as bad as it is now

[forest maple]

3. I have used hundreds of thousands of plasteel and million dockets, so if my weapons get reset and i can't remake my guns easily, i will be pissed

[somber axle]

Did they mention any change to dockets or plasteel? Afaik the currencies are staying

[junior needle]

All five of them?

[pseudo fiber]

Probably given current crafting stuff is account wide (shared blessings)

[forest maple]

Can't know for sure

[forest maple]

I have way more than 5 weapons 🤓

I'm just a little bit afraid because its Fatshard after all

[junior needle]

Only hundreds of thousands of plasteel for over 5 weapons?

[pseudo fiber]

I wouldn't stress

[junior needle]

Some people are truly blessed

[somber axle]

I have 19 different legendary quality Recons! 14 of them are Recon Mk VIds!

[forest maple]

How unlucky are you?

[somber axle]

Wdym unlucky these are my babies

[last parcel]

your litter

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-glass-paper-break-gif-18384377

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-blank-stare-stare-soulless-gif-8388590147846269745

[forest maple]

Yeah i read that but if you notice it says "head start" for the new mastery system and the "chance" to unlock previous blessings

so its not that hopeful just from that statement

am i the only one that reads it like that

So that might mean that i still have to grind to get what i previously had

which would be bad

[pseudo fiber]

To me it just means current blessings get turned into unlock points and you reunlock the blessings.

Like you just click them or whatever.

[forest maple]

That would be best case scenario, if they don't mess aything else up

[somber axle]

Plus locks removed so you can change blessings and perks as you like

And being able to change the weapon to the other variants in the family

[pseudo fiber]

Like you have the same amount of progress (or close maybe lower or higher) and no problem.

[forest maple]

Huh?

[somber axle]

Now every single Recon I own can be a Recon Mk VId!

[forest maple]

hahaha

how does that work with base stats

same?

[tall torrent]

Hadron’s stickerbook progress —> weapon mastery XP —> unlock stuff

[pallid jetty]

even low tier blessings count, right?

[somber axle]

I think weapon rolls for ilvl will become more like templates and you mold them from there

[tall torrent]

Yes

[pallid jetty]

proof?

[pseudo fiber]

I'm filling out the pages anyway.

[tall torrent]

They said that collected blessings transfer into mastery XP?

[forest maple]

So i guess our pool of blessings will become EXP for each one we have unlocked from tier 1 through 4 and then we use that mastery exp to unlock them again. Can't be 1 to 1 right?

[pallid jetty]

this is not a proof

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to collect them if u don’t want to, that’s up to u

[pallid jetty]

this doesnt answer the question

[forest maple]

I don't think theres a 100% concrete answer from Fatshard to what you are asking

people speculate

we literally have 1 blogpost and 1-2 pictures about the itemization rework

[pallid jetty]

i was also sure it works for all tiers, but right now i want to know for sure

[old quail]

i think mastery is a point-buy system where EXP gets you other bonuses on top of points to spend, so i would have to assume collecting multiple tiers does something

we don't have any evidence beyond that

[forest maple]

We will find out come late august - early september i think

[pseudo fiber]

There's gonna be a Q&A article and they'll probably definately cover the conversion process

[forest maple]

I wonder how it will work for new players. You grab a white weapon and you get exp how exactly now that you cant earn blessings the old way? Experience from matches?

[tall torrent]

yes

it's like COD weapon lvl up to get attachments, kinda

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah exactly thay

[tall torrent]

u play with it to unlock stuff for it

[old quail]

"mastery" is also afaik separate from an individual weapon and is instead for different weapon families

[pseudo fiber]

Vets get a boost from having played new players have a progression track with weapon skins and stuff.

I think there's weapon skins?

[forest maple]

So each weapon category will have a shared exp bar progress that we can then use it on Hadron to unlock and remodel our stuff

[tall torrent]

Each weapon category is its own

Blessings u collect for tac axes don’t turn into mastery XP that contribute to combat axe, for example

[forest maple]

And for us old players, only our total blessing count matters?

[gilded wraith]

Recommended changes?

[forest maple]

i wouldn't use it but if you have to, i would change both blessings to headhunter infernus or dumdum + one of the two

[pallid jetty]

surrender to hadron for the blessing

and get a new one

[tall torrent]

Supposedly yes

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, hit and run the better get?

[forest maple]

Start farming blessings for all weapon families people

dark days are coming!

[torn gorge]

Farming? You just stumble upon them while playing

[pallid jetty]

im at the point when i better check brunt and melk every day

[torn gorge]

All you do is turn those mission rewards to hadron

[marble mantle]

What are they doing with diamantine again

[forest maple]

how many T4's are you stumbling upon usually? Melk and end of mission rewards come to mind

[forest maple]

Will be used to upgrade base stats

[marble mantle]

Sweet

[tall torrent]

if u want to collect t4, upgrade everything u have to gold

[marble mantle]

Based

[faint beacon]

Iirc it’s going to be the main resource used for stat boosting

[tall torrent]

the upgrade to gold has higher chance for t4

[faint beacon]

Imo stock all blessings on weapons you like

[forest maple]

I'm only missing a couple of T4's from some categories

[faint beacon]

Like all of them T1-4

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-winfrey-sticker-you-get-a-sticker-gif-15228957

[tall torrent]

collect 100% blessings of all tiers instead

[forest maple]

btw, i'm pretty sure that the higher the rank, the more mastery exp we would get so, farming the remaining T4's you dont have would be optimal

[somber axle]

Blessings to Dum Dum and Headhunter. Save the weapon for crafting update to change perks later. Unarmoured is eh but not bad. Infested is ugh but one day you'll be able to change it too. No Flak will hurt a bit but you can offset that somewhat with rending builds

[torn gorge]

Even if you don't have all T4 just a T3 baseline should give you enough mastery to pick whichever T4 pairing you want on a weapon

[tall torrent]

this is a logical assumption but FS might just troll and make all blessings contribute equally regardless of tier

[faint beacon]

You know damn well how painful this is going to be but your basically right seeing I have finished the penance progression tree

100% every blessing

FML lmao

[forest maple]

Do you just pick and choose what to unlock? I thought they would make it a line of unlockables

[tall torrent]

it's mostly a docket drain

[forest maple]

maybe to hide better blessings further down the line

[faint beacon]

I have a lvl 19 and 5 if it those super niche ones

[torn gorge]

You get currency that you can choose where to spend

[marble mantle]

Honestly it’d be weird if you’d have a level 4 unlocked and not the others lol

[torn gorge]

Like mastery points

[marble mantle]

If it’s a linear system

[forest maple]

If that's the case, perfect.

[heavy rover]

I recommend headhunter and infernus / dum dum. Might want to make the choice of infernus vs dum dum based on the rest of your talent tree

[forest maple]

most blessings are doodoo anyway

im thinking that you have to unlock all ranks to get to the fourth.

[torn gorge]

So for example if I just care about shred/rampage I can simply buy those 2 at T4

[forest maple]

so you need headhunter 1 to 4 to

[somber axle]

just buy the blues in brunt's shop if they have a tier 1 or tier 2 blessing you don't have yet

that's what I do

[forest maple]

Doesnt make sense otherwise since what we have now is random and they want to steamline it. So my bet is on "leveling" up blessings from the start

all the way to 4

[tall torrent]

no, all blessings get accumulated into 1 pool of mastery XP for that weapon type which progresses mastery & gives u mastery point (where u start unlocking blessings from t1 up to t4)

[forest maple]

no i meant that you need to buy headhunter levels 1 to 3 to access 4

speculation

[tall torrent]

this is what they showed

[forest maple]

ah

thats what i mean

[torn gorge]

Also the fact you have no more locks means you can also just play with whatever level the pairing you can afford and have a functional weapon to level up

[tall torrent]

u can see how some blessings have I and II lit up, others don't

[forest maple]

you need to buy previous ranks to unlock

[wary wharf]

Double deece

[tall torrent]

yea

[forest maple]

wait, theres a track? Down there in the pic

what for

[torn gorge]

The only question is what is the cost for each rank

[forest maple]

ah its the total mastery exp

[torn gorge]

I'm assuming it's directly proportional to the rank

[forest maple]

it says it unlocks tier 2 perks there

wait

waiiiiit

[torn gorge]

So for example a T4 is gonna cost 4 mastery points

[tall torrent]

that's what mastery XP goes into

[forest maple]

if unlocking access to t4's comes way late in the progress line, were screwed

[somber axle]

time to get on that grind

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-playing-spinning-hamster-wheel-youre-in-my-way-gif-14137378913207209659

[forest maple]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-grind-penguin-funny-penguin-walking-penguin-grind-gif-16793351308989213680

[tall torrent]

it is gonna be late in progression lol

ofc it'd be late in progression

[forest maple]

I hope our headstart means we reach it

[torn gorge]

Perks are not blessings

[torpid grotto]

I dont mind using t3 blessingns for a while. The difference to t4 usually doesnt matter

[forest maple]

i know? i'm saying whats on the pic

[torn gorge]

Perks are unlocked automatically at given mastery levels, blessing you have agency what to unlock

[somber axle]

+4% poxwalkers here I come

[forest maple]

Perk tiers or specific perks? Picture shows perk tier 2 unlock at level 4

[tall torrent]

when u reach tier 2 for perks u can put any perk of tier 2 on that weapon

[torn gorge]

I'm assuming all Perks get unlocked at level X

[tall torrent]

blessings are unlocked per choosing via mastery points

[torn gorge]

Whereas you are given mastery point that you use to directly unlock whichever blessing you want first

[forest maple]

Wouldn't it be cool if they added a unique skin for the weapons at the end of the mastery line?

[tall torrent]

yes there is

lol

[forest maple]

Is it the color green?

[torn gorge]

We get either 1 or 2 skins per weapon

[pseudo fiber]

Idk

[somber axle]

can it be yellow

OH WAIT

GOLD SKIN

[pseudo fiber]

I'm guessing the yellow and black one

[torn gorge]

I just want more skin packs tbh

[pseudo fiber]

The one all over 40k with the stripes.

[torn gorge]

They stopped releasing those

[tall torrent]

We don’t know, they just said exclusive weapon cosmetic in mastery progression

[torn gorge]

[forest maple]

Thats dope

I hope they pull through with this update. Game needs it

For all the shit i give Fatshark, the game is one of the best mechanically

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent hey

quick question path

is this bricked?

[inland orchid]

could be worse

[tall torrent]

Usable

[last parcel]

become a bayonet chad

[tall torrent]

U could have gotten Infernus + falter, groaners + crit dmg

So this is fine

[somber axle]

the breakpoints for the Mk I are not nearly as difficult to hit vs the Mk II

it should be able to 1HKO Dreg Gunners and Flamers

[fleet thicket]

you know i feel like

onslaught and surgical

are super anti synergistic

i think no respite works better

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily because ur not meant to wait for surgical stacks

Treat Surgical as a passive 10~20% crit chance boost

For basically doing nothing

[fleet thicket]

i see okay thing is specially on mark 3 no respite actually got some good stagger valuesn o?

so it can use no respite?

[tall torrent]

No

On mk3 u want surgical more than anything

[fleet thicket]

oh okay

hmm

what about mark 1?

[torn gorge]

Slower rof benefit surgical

[tall torrent]

All of them want surgical

[somber axle]

if it helps you meet a breakpoint sure but outside of staggering Bulwarks during their swings idk if you're going to stagger anything before you kill it

I'm not aware of any breakpoints that No Respite would help a Helbore hit

[fleet thicket]

it staggers ALOT CUZ i use executioenr stance with it

[inland orchid]

im not aware of breakpoints period

[torn gorge]

You prob get stagger on crusher but I doubt that would hasten the ttk over a crit

Considering 1 already has the worse crusher damage of the bunch

[faint beacon]

Slowly but surely doing it, gonna 100% IAGs when I’m home

After that I need to make a list of To Do items to 100%

I’ll honestly take suggestions for the weapon after IAGs

[somber axle]

Afaik you will one tap all human sized elites and specials. You can't stagger muties. It's really only the Ogryns the 20% damage on stagger might help but I don't think that hits any major breakpoints

[gilded wraith]

Does Surgical function with a Vraks Mk 3 for the entire 3 round burst?

[somber axle]

But then the Mk I is the Helbore I have the least experience with so idk LOL

[tall torrent]

Combat axe 9/9 (1~4)

[faint beacon]

True

[tall torrent]

If Vraks 3 crits, it crits for the whole burst

[somber axle]

Shredder Autopistol all blessings

[faint beacon]

Should do Knives and then…. Chainsword?

[somber axle]

They're going to fix the autopistol one day

[gilded wraith]

Excellent, so not a broken blessing on it.

[somber axle]

You just gotta believe

[faint beacon]

HHAs are already 100% before you ask

I am Emperors strongest HHA user

[gilded wraith]

Okay, so this is in a good spot, just grab better perks from the guide:

[junior needle]

The 3 prefers HH but surgical is probably useable

Them perks are ass, of course

[junior needle]

His only weakness is a shovel with not enough attack speed

[lyric dock]

That's all Vet penences done

[junior needle]

What shovel was it anyway?

[tall torrent]

I did every vet weapon before SoMG

The new shock maul I’m missing 3 t3s and 1 t4

[fleet thicket]

are you collecitng all of them

cuz of the update?

[tall torrent]

no

I collected all of them a long time ago

Knife 10/10 (I ~ IV)

[gilded rock]

there are two correct answers to put on your knife here and you chose neither

[tall torrent]

[frank ledge]

Very well after trying both recon lasguns, I want to meme

Any quickdraw revolver build/tips? I wanna do the funny high noon

[faint beacon]

Honestly I would’ve eventually done it as well but I’ve been given more incentive to do it

[lean bloom]

Im looking for a new gun for auric

[silver cave]

Trying to stay away from knife and Rashad…which melee would people recommend for a shredder/shout/zarona WS build?

Been using a mkIV chainsword with elite/flak and savage sweep/rampage that feels kinda meh

[torpid grotto]

Handcannon and crucian. I like carapace, its a good crusher delete gun if your melee cant penetrate

[faint beacon]

Exactly why I use the Chainsword with it

[gilded rock]

In what way does it feel meh? As in for killing elites or horde clear, or just not your thing?

[silver cave]

I think I’m getting overwhelmed in hordes too quickly

[faint beacon]

Shock Maul or Shovel

[torpid grotto]

Shock maul 1a is really fun, power sword of course if you havent played with it much

[gilded rock]

Power sword mulches hordes

[torpid grotto]

Light attacking into maulers and crushers is hilarious

[frank ledge]

[torpid grotto]

Usable honestly

[silver cave]

I don’t have a good shock maul yet…what’s the preferred setup?

[torn gorge]

Skullcrusher/electrified or whatever the name

[faint beacon]

High Voltage

[torpid grotto]

High voltage

I WIN

[torn gorge]

Just remember Saul has negative unyielding damage essentially

[torpid grotto]

Hitting a boss with it is so pathetic :'(

Bulwarks die fast enough though

[torn gorge]

Saul to me looks like a crusher downgrade

[torpid grotto]

Isnt it faster

[faint beacon]

It swings faster

It’s good at Horde Clear

Just…

Boss damage

Don’t even bother

[woeful junco]

what is the uhhhh best recon mark now for general pewpewing?

just want a laser assault rifle

[tall torrent]

2 & 7a

[woeful junco]

and infernus is busted again right?

oh wait I forgot I already had these. any good?

[torpid grotto]

6d shreds everything too

[woeful junco]

goddamn that's fashion.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah those are great

[tall torrent]

No, it’s ok tho

Headhunter + dum dum/infernus is preferred

[somber axle]

Ooo that's a good look!

[torpid grotto]

Is headhunter must take on vet? Whats crit chance does vet reach?

[fading basin]

alright, give me some ideas to make a bolt pistol work, and a decent melee to run with it, so far my attempts to try it just haven't really jived

[junior needle]

2 and 7a are numerically the best as was mentioned. They have about the same dps and the same adm's, but the 6d lags fairly noticeably behind on ammo efficiency. 2/7a also do not have the needlessly nerfed handling and reload speed of the 6d. Infernus was basically unchanged from before.

[junior needle]

If you're talking recons, yes because shocktrooper. Assuming you are proficient at head clicking.

[torpid grotto]

I see. I only play recon on psyker where you skip headhunter

[junior needle]

Added ammo efficiency from shocktrooper is basically the only thing that recons have going for them over iag's.

On every other metric except maybe flak bodyshot dps they fall behind.

[faint beacon]

Shocktrooper with HH is extremely good for ammo up-keep so I’d personally recommend it if you can

[torpid grotto]

I feel like infernus has got to give it the edge when it comes to hipfire spamming into a horde of ragers

[junior needle]

There's a large dps difference, and iag's have big positive multipliers to maniac.

[faint beacon]

Infernus more so assists with a niche of enemies running around corners and not dying or at slivers of health

[junior needle]

Infernus, which needs to stack on each target individually, is not a big deal.

Yep, that's precisely it

[faint beacon]

Dumdum is literally a direct damage upgrade if they get close

[torpid grotto]

Doesnt it work at any range

[faint beacon]

I’d say do Infernus if you’re actively “sniping” with the thing

[faint beacon]

Builds stacks, just doesn’t do damage unless it’s 12.5m or closer

[junior needle]

Dumdum activates at any range, however the damage bonus tapers down over distance

[torpid grotto]

Someone said dumdum was bugged

Insee

[junior needle]

It does damage well beyond 12.5m, that's a common misconception due to the wording

It just tapers over distance, up to like 46 ish

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah you’re right

[torpid grotto]

Thats cool. I thought it had no taper at all

[junior needle]

Dumdum is basically just an omnipresent damage boost

Unless you're shooting snipers across the map

[faint beacon]

Dumdum is very good, it’s more so if you want “oomph” to your recons output

[junior needle]

Yep, a must take on every gun that has it

[faint beacon]

Infernus is alright but again what was listed is the main reason for it

[torpid grotto]

Isnt the boss dmg contribution noticeable?

[junior needle]

Infernus doesn't do that much boss dps

[faint beacon]

With DD or Inf

[gilded wraith]

Would a krak grenade benefit from a + carapace damage perk on a weapon held when it detonates?

[junior needle]

Something like 300 and change

Maybe 330ish off the top of my head baseline

[candid agate]

bosses are generally easy to deal with as a team excluding daemon hosts, dont need to spec into a build for them

[faint beacon]

Yeah that sounds about right

[torpid grotto]

14 stacks fully ticking is only 300?.....

[junior needle]

It ticks every .5s

Also you only get 12

[faint beacon]

Max stacks on a Bulwark was like 220 per tick on max Burn without unyielding

[junior needle]

Lemme check again, dumdum interacts with it

[torpid grotto]

You dont know my quickplay teams.....

[junior needle]

So if you have dumdum + infernus it affects the burn damage a bit

[torpid grotto]

Woah

[candid agate]

fair enough but its always good to have some faith in the level 30 +0 psyker with smite

[faint beacon]

You’d probably want to run WS though with DD + Inf

[torpid grotto]

And the uh. Stacking brittleness on repeated hit talent

[junior needle]

Also typed damage perks affect it

[faint beacon]

Onslaught?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah that should boost burn dot a lot

[junior needle]

Onslaught is generally too point investment for the value it gives. It doesn't do much against non carapace enemies.

[faint beacon]

Recons might be able to get away with it, but it’s prefered to do rending strikes

[torpid grotto]

The unyielding rending isnt that good for burn?

[candid agate]

unless your specifically going for WP

[junior needle]

wp?

[candid agate]

weapons specialist

[fading basin]

any particular like, talent/blessing recs for a bolt pistol, or is it kinda just, not worth bothering with atm?

[junior needle]

It appears I was mistaken, it's 402 dps.

But that's a drop in the bucket

[torpid grotto]

Sad

[torpid grotto]

I like going run and gun and puncture

I dont bother ADSing its so bad

Just hip fire at trappers and they bleed to death

[fading basin]

any talents you like to go with? saw some people say they were mucking with deadshot but as you said, ads is... icky

[junior needle]

It's 268 dps against maniacs

[torpid grotto]

Its so over

I really thought my infernus 6d was going crazy on the rager packs

[junior needle]

With fully stacked onslaught, infernus was doing 214 per tick on unyielding instead of 201.

147 per tick for maniac

[torpid grotto]

Selling my recon to brunt now

[junior needle]

67 per tick with full onslaught to crushers

[torpid grotto]

Weapon specialist maybe if youre gonna be swapping to it to hipfire ragers/trappers/flamers

I dunno, nothing in particular really

Its kind of a bad gun you just use for fun

[marble mantle]

Really hope it gets a buff

Bolt weapons deserve to feel strong

Feels like I’m firing a glock at armored enemies

[slow spade]

Megabolter when?

[marble mantle]

Mmmm what if vets and ogryns got chainknuckles

Mmmmm fun

Doesn’t make much sense but fun

Or maybe power knuckles

[orchid tartan]

Only took me 7+ tries

(skill issue)

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-7099278856497118059

[orchid tartan]

because IT IS me

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-boykisser-gif-15629861713642818650

[orchid tartan]

and now to try and get Every Shot Counts

Does it work with shotguns or is it better to just use the revolver

[inland orchid]

God speed I haven’t completed that one either, heard a few recommendations in the past like

Plasma and those 2 u just mentioned

[orchid tartan]

I'll try shotguns then because it's less of a chance to miss, right

[sinful swallow]

Recover make sure you don't take survival, assassinate mission

[orchid tartan]

unless the missed pellets actually count towards missing

[sinful swallow]

You can dump easy into the shield

[sinful swallow]

Just a pellet has to hit

[orchid tartan]

cool! I'll use the double barrel shotgun then

[faint beacon]

I kept leaving to ensure no one was running survivalist aura with that penance

That shit was so painful doing

[last parcel]

shoutout to the plasma vet who committed auto unalive twice while going for it

[faint beacon]

Poxburster Vet build

[grand perch]

have a rare ilas reload

[faint beacon]

Have you know I mastered the half reload animation

[gilded wraith]

Any reason to take 1A Infantry Lasgun over a Mk 2 Laspistol?

[grand perch]

better ammo economy?

dunno really laspistol is better in most regards

[tall torrent]

Better maniac & long range dmg

Laspistol has harsh dmg falloff over range

[grand perch]

yeah that. while ilas gains damage over range, to a point

[orchid tartan]

Did it first try lol

I had a vet on my team with survivalist as well

wasn't that difficult, only missed one shot

double barrel does wonders

[pseudo fiber]

crit chance dumdum? or is collateral too low?

[gilded rock]

Collateral is only for staggers which I assume is not important on recons, and can actually be detrimental for clicking heads at times

[tall torrent]

Honestly would just harvest HH4
Carapace is not good unless u wanna meme build

[gilded rock]

Change punishing to dumdum and critical hit to flak

[orchid tartan]

I run flak damage very often on most of my guns purely because I hate scab gunners with a passion

[gilded rock]

But it's a perfect recon for the meme build

[orchid tartan]

Also flak is like the most common type of armor for shooters so

[gilded rock]

Even without maniac it'll kill ragers fast and you shouldn't be shooting mutants with guns almost ever

[orchid tartan]

Meanwhile my columnus killing a mutant before it even reaches me

[gilded rock]

True, however CIAG and plasma and revolver aren't most guns

[orchid tartan]

the revolver isn't good for anything except headshots tbh

[tall torrent]

Not rly

It’s the only 1 tap gun that doesn’t have to get headshots most of the time

[crimson pebble]

I think scab gunner are mainly unarmored and one of their shoulders are flak maybe

[tall torrent]

Scab gunner is full flak

[crimson pebble]

Mb i meant dreg

[orchid tartan]

can't remember right now, but dreg gunner's head is unarmored

and for some reason my plasma gun cant kill them in one shot

but it can one shot scab gunners

[tall torrent]

Because u didn’t build for breakpoints

[faint beacon]

Dreg gunners are Unarmored, a good chunk of Specialists are a mix of Flak/Maniac/Unarmored

Which is why the 3 are usually the most picked

Carapace for “Tank Busting” as I call it

Mainly Maulers and Crushers

[crimson pebble]

Their is a portion on dreg gunner and shotgunners that is flak somewhere not sure where tho but it is mainly unarmored

[faint beacon]

Legs

Iirc

Like it’s not really ever going to be hit

The Dreg shot/gunner have either arms or legs as flak

And it really doesn’t matter running flak for them

[crimson pebble]

I think reapers gauntlets and boots and shoulder piece are also tech carapace but like you said most times wont be hitting it

[orchid tartan]

i kinda did, but didn't bother with the perfect stats for the plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs
78%+ in damage & stopping power
60%+ in ammo
69%+ in thermal resist

+elite dmg perk
+flak dmg perk (maniac works but isn’t as good as flak overall)

Gets hot
Gloryhunter/Blaze away (gloryhunter is better imo)

[crimson pebble]

Is this with out skill tree consideration or w

[tall torrent]

This is with skill tree consideration

U need 2x 5% ranged dmg nodes (can go fire team as well), precision strikes, superiority complex, and then focus target with redirect fire

[crimson pebble]

Is this w the 15% elite dmg node in

[tall torrent]

Yea

[faint beacon]

Looking over some of the classifications, had 0 clue Scab Gunners had Unarmored thighs

[orchid tartan]

I think I might be missing just elite damage to reach the breakpoint them

Because I have all of those stats

[stiff glacier]

Ive stopped trusting vets with plasma

Got team with 2 plasmas yet we lost due to crushers

[inland orchid]

hate to see it pal, i havent used my plasma in a minute but seeing that can keep me off it longer

[faint beacon]

Avid Plasma Hater

[torn gorge]

Did said vets forget their grenades homes?

Or were they special vets running smoke and plasma?

[proven prairie]

advice?

[hearty panther]

none thays already great lol

[radiant chasm]

generally better and has more ammo

las pistol kinda just, it's good don't get me wrong

but Inflas goes deadly accurate headhunter, las pistols go dum dum infernus or some shit

one is for more CQC and mobile gameplay, while inflas is for a more farther back playstyle

[coral willow]

inflas has the inverse damage falloff still

[forest maple]

Las pistol is very strong and i would argue stronger than the las rifles. Go for 25% flak, 5% crit, dum dum and infernus

better swap speed and general ergonomics while also having insane critical weakspot damage

[tall torrent]

5% crit is not as good as maniac for Laspistol

[tall torrent]

DA is overrated on infantry Lasguns, ghost is better for both of them

[balmy flume]

No wonder they turned Traitor, imagine having no thigh flak armour because the Administratum wasted the budget on Carapace helmets for Crushers...

[radiant chasm]

real soldiers eat lead directly /hj

[hollow hinge]

Does the bolt pistol have any decent area of effect if it has any at all?

[midnight totem]

It has a small aoe stagger at range

[hollow hinge]

I feel like it needs more aoe damage

[tame lodge]

It doesn't have cleave

[hollow hinge]

atleast its better than the super shotgun

[tall torrent]

The super shotgun is good

[hollow hinge]

boltpistol is also an iconic weapon

Yeah its good, but the boltpistol is better imo

[tame lodge]

Welp got bad news for you

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is rather finicky with breakpoints

[hollow hinge]

with my boltpistol i got 90% crit damage

and i got range with the boltpistol

the super shotgun is hella fun though

super shotgun needs a bayonet

the butt though is pretty decent

[tame lodge]

[wise jackal]

Teehee

[orchid tartan]

It needs a hook that can be fired out of the shotgun's underside that allows you to rappel yourself into enemies

[hollow hinge]

that'd be pretty lit

[orchid tartan]

ahem

Well yeah because that's straight up ripped from doom eternal

lol

[hollow hinge]

i feel like the bolt pistol either needs more aoe damage or more bolts in the magazine

[hollow hinge]

i know lol

doom eternal is god tier

[orchid tartan]

Bolt pistol is fine as is if you ask me. Give it more damage though then it'll actually be lore accurate with being able to blow lesser enemies torso off

[hollow hinge]

Its still great, but it could use a buff

[orchid tartan]

Jesus I feel like I had a stroke writing that

[hollow hinge]

like i mean, idk why it doesn't do aoe damage

its literally a hand held rocket launcher

[orchid tartan]

It's a rocket propelled grenade launcher

More or less

Can any 40k nerd correct me

[faint beacon]

It’s more so a futuristic Gyro Jet I think it’s called?

[orchid tartan]

Yes

[faint beacon]

The cartridge itself is propelled

[orchid tartan]

It speeds up as it leaves the barrel

And you can even see it in game how after a little bit the bullets explode

But point lank, they act like normal bullets because they hadn't have the time to arm and speed up

[uncut pebble]

Bolter rounds are miniature rockets, yes.

[torn gorge]

that does not equate in the rounds having substantial aoe potential