veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

idk

[coral willow]

idk really

rungun reduces spread by 30% for all stances so for shotguns like DB it can also make it more coherent in shooting

...except i tried it and the rclick still seems to be horrible lol

idk why

[bitter turtle]

i dont think you can salvage rclick at long range

[coral willow]

no in cqc

[bitter turtle]

or even mediu, range

[coral willow]

like in like 2m range isntead of 0m

but uh

even that seems to be impossible

lol

[bitter turtle]

is there something inconsistent at 2m for you?

[coral willow]

somehow muties

kek

anoint in blood doesnt do enough damage it seems

[bitter turtle]

wow

you arent lying

i literally have 300 dmg variance at 2m

lol

[last parcel]

[coral willow]

this gun is widely fucked at times

[bitter turtle]

i think

its a quesiton

of how many pellets are hitting its tiny ass head

probably

[coral willow]

maybe

[bitter turtle]

cause this doesnt happen for mauler

but mauler also needs a full spread to hit

but it doesnt need weakpoint

unlike mutie

[coral willow]

rungun tries to slightly correct stuff but the base spread is horrendous so it kinda doesnt work

tried with maulers and even in like 2m range the pellets tend to miss sadly

[bitter turtle]

wait really

mauler 2m is super consistent for me

regardless

[coral willow]

it is?

[bitter turtle]

yea

[coral willow]

may have been my fluke then

do you need flak on it?

[bitter turtle]

yea you do

[coral willow]

welp fuck that might be it

[bitter turtle]

thats why I was considering why mutie was fucked but not mauler

cause both need the majority of pellets to hit but

mauler dont need a weakpoint

meanwhile i know for a fact shooting rclick into mutie back doesnt kill it

so the tiny ass head missing pellets is the cause of the variance i imagine

[coral willow]

very fun.

[bitter turtle]

heres 3x in a row

for mauler

i cant fit anymore in a 7 second window but i didnt fail to 1tap even once in like 10 tries

this is at 3m too

which ive found is the limit of reliability

[coral willow]

wee.

[bitter turtle]

wait

thats at 5m tho

[coral willow]

runngun feels like it kinda never helps

ill show the reticle difference

[bitter turtle]

for crouching and letting it tighten all the way it goes up to 4m reliable oneshots for me

not 5 though

[coral willow]

same range

no runngun on the right

you can see the spread decrease but i feel like its just way too much for it to be handled

[bitter turtle]

well

it looks different at least

yeah

lol

the reticule

[coral willow]

no idea what to do with this also

[old quail]

i like +unyielding on double barrel but bulwarks are so fucking annoying

especially if ur trying to use it on them after u stun them with saul

[bitter turtle]

It's au0er

[last parcel]

australia zero er

[bitter turtle]

half the time I shoot bulwark a third 9f the pellets go to their carapace parts

[coral willow]

so thats why i tried to get manstopper

cause with stelf you can shoot it twice

idk if itsgonna be good tho

[old quail]

i really hope they rework the stunned animations

it makes me so mad

[coral willow]

so how do i fix this

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/kl2i4m

this clip took me 10 minutes to make

[bitter turtle]

Yeah the rng spasms are annoying as hell

[old quail]

because the bulwark will just

TURN

and parry ur shot

[coral willow]

what do i put it on?

infested to flak i guess/

[bitter turtle]

Flak is for maulers if you want to railgun them yea

[bitter turtle]

Infested has the horde clear though so idk

[coral willow]

does that work on zealots

hm

[bitter turtle]

Not sure

I find bulwark 1 tap extremely unreliable to begin with

[old quail]

zealot gets the 20% infested/unyielding node right after anoint (which u definitely want for DB)

[bitter turtle]

Oh yea

You probably don't need infested then

[old quail]

i run unyielding on double barrel because i like it with the shock maul and i will take the hitbox gambling over two fucking YEARS of hitting the guy

[old quail]

normally what i do is stagger and then aim center mass instead of just going for the head

[coral willow]

say your goodbye

[last parcel]

you know the rules

[coral willow]

railgunning is p hard

time to makea build out of it

also this doesnt have flak on still so that might be a problem

[hearty panther]

funnest shit with hacker is

heavy bonk > Light bonk > fire

100% useless but it flexes hard

[knotty mauve]

Just looked it up and found out Tencent owns fatshark. Sorry guys, but this game is going to be a gambling game for its entire lifespan if that's the case. Western companies sold out h a r d
😞

[hearty panther]

werent you simping for AI yesterday

[marble mantle]

Honestly I’d just ignore him

Might go away if ppl don’t give him attention

[knotty mauve]

I like AI, I think it's cool.

[limpid turtle]

I like that DT is more of a looter shooter than Vermintide is.

[knotty mauve]

Idk if it's simping. Not sure how that works.

[limpid turtle]

It gives you an incentive to replay the game more.

[knotty mauve]

Nobody else does, that's why the game is dying.

[limpid turtle]

I just wish the cash shop DIDNT FUCKING ROTATE AND HAD EVERYTHING FOR SALE AT ONCE.

[knotty mauve]

There shouldn't be a cash shop

All of that stuff should just be unlockable in game.

[limpid turtle]

I'm ok with paid cosmetics. Just make them available all the time so that i can buy the fucking Krieg sets again.

[knotty mauve]

They make all the good cosmetics cost real money, and make the only stuff you unlock basic clothes with color swaps.

[bitter turtle]

run n gun bistol is fun

idk if skirmisher is a troll pick for this

but im running it

lel

[spice wadi]

bistol

bistro

[knotty mauve]

Binstolm

[junior needle]

They also make a bunch of bad cosmetics cost real money

[knotty mauve]

Exactly, so then it makes even less to charge for them and they should be free

[limpid turtle]

I do agree that the free stuff in the game should be better, but the idea of a cash shop isnt something that is inherently evil. Its just designed in a very shitty manner.

[old quail]

implode

[limpid turtle]

This rotations stuff is both ass and cool imo

[knotty mauve]

It is inherently evil the way they do it

[hearty panther]

skirmisher is pretty meme in general

[limpid turtle]

The Veteran and the Ogryn sets are meh, i like the Zealot and the Psyker sets.

[bitter turtle]

im holding down sprint like the whoel game

[knotty mauve]

No. It's just evil. That gambling retention and fear of missing out. Manipulation tactics to keep you addicted

[hearty panther]

takes too long for the buff to reactivate when you start sprinting imo

[bitter turtle]

with run n gun

i want to believe in it

[hearty panther]

so it lacks flexibility, ironically

[bitter turtle]

but you're probably right lel

it should be

gain a stack

for sprinting

or every time you slide

that would make it goated

[limpid turtle]

I literally said it two times before that the system is shit and that everything should be at sale at once.

[knotty mauve]

Just free. No sale.

[junior needle]

It's certainly manipulative and underhanded

[hearty panther]

yeah that too slides have no effect with it and sliding is like 90% of movetech

[knotty mauve]

Just give us the content and let us buy and play the game

[bitter turtle]

you can just buy and play the game

that is what i have done

for the first 500 hrs of playing

[spice wadi]

I have idd played vidyagam

nerd

[bitter turtle]

and then i spent

like 15 bucks after in the next 1k hours

[knotty mauve]

The company Tencent(gambling mogul from China) owns fatshark. That's why. They have 0 intentions on fixing it. I think they will just shut the servers down this Christmas.

[old quail]

lmao

[hearty panther]

welcome to my shortlist

[spice wadi]

are you the latest cartoon character who exists to doompost

[bitter turtle]

this convo comes up every single time but u know tencent is hands off right

[knotty mauve]

All these companies are getting liquidated left and right. It's a bad time to be a bad developer.

[bitter turtle]

or is it just because they're chinese

:^)

[knotty mauve]

Appeal to extremes eh? Nice cope

[bitter turtle]

being chinese is extreme 😔

[knotty mauve]

There is nothing wrong with being any type of ethnicity

[old quail]

logical fallacy detected. the drone is en route to your location

[knotty mauve]

👀

What

[hearty panther]

god i wish i could be atomized

[bitter turtle]

honestly

im starting to think

i should just drop DA

and go lethal + run n gun

[marble mantle]

I’m not a big fan of lethal

[limpid turtle]

You're blowing it.

[old quail]

it got me a 1 shot bp on ragers and 2 shots on reapers which is cool

[spice wadi]

I can tell I've lowered how much I play by not being able to interpret talent names any more

[bitter turtle]

DA isnt useless yeah

i just

idk

[old quail]

being able to turn off the wind tunnel enemy is cool

[bitter turtle]

its only relevant on rager for the most part no?

[hearty panther]

reapers do be reapin

[limpid turtle]

Darktide averages around 4-6k players daily on Steam alone, there is probably equally as much if not many players playing via Xbox.

[bitter turtle]

and crusher i guess if iw ant to spam shots on their head or something

[spice wadi]

I bjonk the crusher

with the taze stick

[old quail]

reapers will turn off ur movement if any miscalculation is made so being able to turn off their existence is p valuable to me

it is probably doing something for bulwarks on the 1/10th of my shots that make it above the shield

[spice wadi]

any 'miscalculation' he says

[old quail]

i must limit the amount of national geographic sounds made within the presence of others

[spice wadi]

the miscalculation is trying to constantly being able to have line of sight on mankar to be able to shoot bursters he is next to

[bitter turtle]

i can only 3 shot with 1 crit

reaper

idk if im doing something wrong

[old quail]

u have to get 2 crit hs which is where surgical comes in (otherwise its kinda pointless ig)

[bitter turtle]

ah

[old quail]

i should try point blank/deadshot/reciprocity

[bitter turtle]

even more reason to drop DA for me

the qeustion is run n gun/puncture or run n gun/lethal 🤔

[old quail]

terrifying

[bitter turtle]

does terrifying even come on bistol

or do u mean my blessing choice is terrifying

[old quail]

the latter

[bitter turtle]

lul

[old quail]

it would be funny if it got ceaseless barrage

suppression per like 2.5% mag spent and damage vs suppressed targets

[spice wadi]

[old quail]

youd hit huge shooter arm breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

muh drive by kills

[marble mantle]

Same

Bjonk

[marble mantle]

This is fun lol

[marble mantle]

I wish I was on pc so I could use mods to see how many dodges I have lol

That would be sweet

[spice wadi]

i left dodge bound to jump

if i get airborne

i fucked up

[knotty mauve]

POV: fatshark developer coding an update to the game.

😎

[marble mantle]

I’m over it lol I just blocked him

Waste of attention

I work 2 jobs and pay my taxes I don’t need more cynicism in my life

[bitter turtle]

try it

i honestly

dont thik nits that bad

even if it seems completely fucking troll

[marble mantle]

I might honestly it looks fun

[bitter turtle]

at least DA/Run n Gun should be sane enough by most people standard

cus you can stilll force a crit off WS

[marble mantle]

You could run it on like an infiltrate speed build

[spice wadi]

it's less a specific guy is bad

[marble mantle]

Actual drive by

[spice wadi]

it's just that it's the long string of identical discord characters

who say the exact same thing

[bitter turtle]

yea im playing it with infil

[marble mantle]

And they’re all getting blocked

[spice wadi]

that I've just blocked them once I identify them

[marble mantle]

Lol I bet it’ll be fun

[bitter turtle]

but i play everything with infil if i can

[marble mantle]

Ahh makes sense

[bitter turtle]

avoid voc unless i have to take it

[spice wadi]

do u also enjoy the night vision filter

[marble mantle]

Yes

[spice wadi]

I'm tryna avoid voc these days

cos it feels a little bit too crutchy

[marble mantle]

I run it on my shotgun enforcer but I run infil and exe on my other builds since they aren’t as close range

[spice wadi]

I have a braindead build with shout and plasma

which i play if i simply want to put a W on the board

but there's only so many times you can just play

point blue gun down corridor click click

[knotty mauve]

👀

Doubt

[marble mantle]

Yeah I haven’t used the plasma much since it’s just so… easy

[spice wadi]

im not sure why the lmb doesnt explode

the overcharge doesnt really provide that much to ever be worth the risk of instadowning yourself

cos anything id overcharge (crushers) I tend to just bonk with my stick instead

cos the ammo usage is too much

[bitter turtle]

the overcharge sucks

if you mean chargeds hots

as for why

[spice wadi]

it's a lil weird

[bitter turtle]

poor balance

the overcharge does less dps than just spamming left click

[spice wadi]

I feel like they just rebalanced it around the regular click

and then forgot about the overcharge

[bitter turtle]

its bc

the gun has seen al ot of changes

[spice wadi]

cos it's like

[bitter turtle]

over time

like

a lot

it used to do hp damage to yourself lol

[spice wadi]

it's a big ammo cost, a risk of instadowning if you're under pressure

[bitter turtle]

so yea

[spice wadi]

ye ik I am also old

u may be more wrinkly

but i too

am ancient

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

[bitter turtle]

then yea im pretty sure its just a consequence of reworks and balance changes piling up into something that moreor less doesnt make too much sense design wise anymore

[spice wadi]

shut up josho

[old quail]

i remember when kant shotgun special went through bulwark shields and plasma didn't

fuck off u fkin lich

ill smash ur phylactery

[spice wadi]

i member when myeeh myeeh myeeh

[old quail]

[spice wadi]

but yeah idk

there's a few darktide weapons which are in weird places

I think the survivalist change was an ok nerf to how braindead plasma is

cos you used to be ammo efficient at a certain number of targets with the damn thing

[old quail]

the problem with the charge thing is its like "shot but more" and with how the left click is "more" is overkill like always

they have to make it "shot and does something else" to make it matter

[spice wadi]

im surprised they gave the small shot the megacleave

feel like that would've been a shoe in for the overcharge

[old quail]

i want them to dump the cara/unyielding adms on the left click and kill its cleave if they change nothing else at all so that at the very least u have to change ur fire mode depending on the target

[junior needle]

Surprisingly not, which is strange because it's the go to blessing to shit up the pool

[spice wadi]

he said adms

take a shot

eventually the reddit will convince the swedish fish to have the revolver taken out back and shot by a boltgun

[coral willow]

one day boltgun gets 6.5 cleave and not zarona

and bistol AoE does significant damage

[spice wadi]

you fell for my bait

[tame lodge]

UnbalanceddietSerratedteethfish will make a huge balance in 6 months (copium)

[spice wadi]

they did an interview (again I think) about itemisation changes

which could change a lil bit of how various weapons are viewed

because I'm damned fucking sure some of the 'x is weak' takes are based on those weapons having dogass blessings in their pool

[pastel yew]

one day the boltgun will have better poxhound breakpoints than 2 headshots and 5 body shots right?

right?!

I am hyped for the itemization update though

[spice wadi]

im going to run you over with a wheely bin

[buoyant ermine]

🙂 ?

[spice wadi]

shut up josho

[old quail]

the poor infested adm is god's divine wrath on the "boltgun is my magdump into hordes tool" crowd

[spice wadi]

adm

take a shot

[pastel yew]

I know a lot of people aren't happy about more grind for weapon xp but honestly I quite like it

[buoyant ermine]

boltgun is my magdump into specials tool

im noob

[old quail]

poor gasoline on your feet and drop a lit match on it

[spice wadi]

why only my feet

[pastel yew]

ITS MY RIGHT TO WASTE ALL MY AMMO INTO POXWALKERS

[spice wadi]

do you know how fire works

[coral willow]

i just hope its not kill x thing 2500 times

[pastel yew]

if the plasma gun can do it why can't the boltgun

[old quail]

i want the experience of burning to last as long as possible

[pastel yew]

I wouldn't mind kill based xp, but I definitely don't want specific kills like "kill 100 poxbursters"

[spice wadi]

I know a match is going to go great when I see a guy shoot a boltgun at a wandering solo poxwalker four times

[coral willow]

well too bad

[pastel yew]

because it'd just fuck with the gameplay loop with everyone falling over eachother to snipe specifics

[coral willow]

idk i hope its not stuff stupid

[tame lodge]

Extra 25% infested value 💀

[pastel yew]

god speed, the emperors greatest veteran

[old quail]

bolter being comically unable to kill hounds makes shooting one mid air and killing it a very fun thing to fail at doing

https://streamable.com/79pd6a

[elder fiber]

I'd rather have annoying gimmick penances that piss people off to perform but are at most mildly disrupting over "kill 10000 trash enemies with full stacks of w/e"

[coral willow]

bolter having weakness to infested is a cool design choice

i wonder if plasma has those

:teeth;

[elder fiber]

cool design choices?

well

[spice wadi]

change your veteran's name for the love of god

[pastel yew]

but thats the exact kind of type it should be good into

[old quail]

anyways the bolter needs better handling and should one shot every non ogryn enemy and have 0 arm multipliers and also it's a fully auto RPG that also needs to be like a shotgun

[old quail]

?

[spice wadi]

do not

?

[pastel yew]

default bolt shells aren't really armor pen weapons

[spice wadi]

me

[elder fiber]

?

[spice wadi]

if i see one more bolter lore argument i am going to salt and pepper myself and cook my ass on a low heat

[pastel yew]

boltgun should be great against unarmored to flak really

[buoyant ermine]

back when I played in 4th edition it was an AP 5 gun

[spice wadi]

ok

here i go

[buoyant ermine]

couldnt pen carapace armor

[spice wadi]

hello frying pan

[pastel yew]

I can do you one better, dark heresy lore as we know that system has been some inspiration to the dev team

and in that game it has pen 4 which is enough to get through flak

[spice wadi]

explode

[old quail]

but didn't you know they EXPLODE. they DETONATE. something something magdump into elites (do not watch the clips of me doing this where i miss half my shots and successfully defeat a fuckin wall)

[spice wadi]

we are traumatised by reddit clips

[pastel yew]

yeah they go into the target then explode!

[spice wadi]

'bolter is weak' (guy could not hit a barn while standing inside of it)

[pastel yew]

thats why they should be dope against unarmored

[coral willow]

why do you guys traumatized by reddit clips when a guy in front of you eats every ammo and misses every shot with plasma

[pastel yew]

you send a fucking bolt shell into a poxhounds grey matter and scramble their egg... only for them to walk it off like it was nothing

[buoyant ermine]

ima try out plasma now

do u guys like plasma

i am noob

[pastel yew]

plasma is hella fun

[spice wadi]

hello noob

[coral willow]

i dont cause its op

[spice wadi]

how are you

[old quail]

the pox hound has ERA strapped to it

[pastel yew]

you need to sort your break points and it will be significantly better if you can aim

[pastel yew]

ah shit it's all starting to make sense now

bastard heretics

[coral willow]

poxhound but its a poxburster might be the most threatening thing if it was added

[old quail]

i am just sick of 99% of people's opinions on the bolter because they want a bunch of balance changes made based on "lore" which is just their weird misinterpretation of other people's exaggerations of the source material theyre talking about

without any regard beyond that to its existence in comparison to other guns in the game

[coral willow]

arent it essentially a columnus to a local space marine anyway

[pastel yew]

it's a fair point, though I think you should still in keep with the theming of weapons at least

[coral willow]

too much fantasy about it

that said plasma being how it is rn doesnt help

[spice wadi]

altho

[pastel yew]

I'm fine with the bolter getting a buff against carapace though since anti armor ranged is limited for zealot

[spice wadi]

on dark heresy

if we are having a nerd off

[coral willow]

and the new flamer doesnt help either i assume.

[spice wadi]

a big

[pastel yew]

[spice wadi]

dark heresy was written back when AP scaled from 6 to 1

but in CURRENT edition

[coral willow]

just ffs give him another antiarmor option for crusher furballs

[old quail]

i would rather see certain other weapon archetypes get performance boosts cuz u do have like 0.4 adm into carapace and ur choice of shattering impact or cavalcade for further rending

[spice wadi]

bolter has AP 0 and has no flak penetration

[old quail]

a problem is

[pastel yew]

in current addition of dark herey?

[old quail]

the game has crit rending (adm boosts, technically, it's not actual rending and that makes it even stronger) but not weakspot

[spice wadi]

in currant table top

[pastel yew]

ah nah I don't play that shitty game

I only play other slightly less shitty games

[spice wadi]

[old quail]

so u can't have guns that are specifically decent into carapace when u shoot the head

[spice wadi]

adm

take a shot

[old quail]

headhunters should probably be better at shooting crusher heads (not absurdly but enough to make it more viable without headhunter/deadly accurate)

[pastel yew]

why pay for shitty books from gw when I can pay for shitty books from ffg

[coral willow]

i still think that headhunter takes waaaaay too long to kill a singular crusher

[spice wadi]

the headhunter has a wire stock on a marksman rifle

this is heresy and sin

[pastel yew]

the mk7 should be decent into carapace

[spice wadi]

i will never use

[pastel yew]

it makes me so sad

[coral willow]

fine as is but with crusher packs its not great

[old quail]

there's like 3 zealot melees that are explicitly bad into carapace

it doesn't need a great deal of ranged options for it

[pastel yew]

more than boltgun + revolver would be nice though

[knotty mauve]

Single player offline

[old quail]

the meltagun should exist

[pastel yew]

I quite like the devils claw on zealot, and don't want to rely on parries against crusher hordes

that's not consistent

[coral willow]

70% of those still cant deal well with crusher packs so i dont usually put them in :/

[pastel yew]

if I wanted to use revolver I'd play vet as it's significantly more fun on vet

[coral willow]

thats about it

parry is consistent but killtime isnt

[old quail]

you have an absurd rating system for "anti armor" and i disregard your opinion because of it

[pastel yew]

also like heavy sword isn't great into carapace

and that's a zealot only weapon

[spice wadi]

[pastel yew]

special spam special spam special spam

engaging gameplay

[old quail]

um akshually it's special block cancel

[coral willow]

please make the game stop throwing 6~12 crushers at idiots every minuite

[pastel yew]

wawawawawawa

[old quail]

either you're queueing for melee maelstrom or you're lying because the existence of carapace just is not that overwhelmingly present

both are solvable on ur end and not the game

[pastel yew]

melee only maelstrom is so fun, one of the enjoyable ones

that and the boss rush maelstrom

[old quail]

it's also incredibly one-dimensional and gets boring really fast

i hate the implementation of maelstrom entirely

some of the modifiers need to be conditions you can get normally

and other ones need to be rethought

they also lied one time in the patch notes we were supposed to get dregs only + increased patrols as one of em

[pastel yew]

yup me too, half of the conditions are just not fun

pox hounds condition should just die in general

[coral willow]

way too common for me to just mind my business and then 6 crushers come in cause the AI director likes to fuck with pubs i guess, minuite is a exaggeration but its way too common rn

[pastel yew]

it's not challenging, it's not interesting

[old quail]

monstrous specials hishock would be p sick as a normal auric mode

[pastel yew]

for sure I'd love that

you also can't quickplay into auric

[coral willow]

you can

[pastel yew]

? you can?

[coral willow]

not maelstroms but normal auric QP exist

been doing that mostly cause normal damnation is now filled with idiots again

and auric is filled with less idiots

[pastel yew]

oh yeah, I mean specifically maelstrom my bad

slip of the tongue

[coral willow]

ah yeah no maelstrom QPs yet

sadly

[pastel yew]

I do think a lot of auric conditions need a look at

[old quail]

maelstrom feels like it's trying to be both "the even more ball-busting difficulty" and their port of vt2 twitch mode

[pastel yew]

pox gas needs to be adjusted, hounds needs to be gone... sniper gauntlet needs more snipers... double them... tripple them...

[old quail]

so u have both reasonable challenge increases and "here is 3 different types of waves of X special. have fun"

[pastel yew]

yeah that sums it up pretty neatly

[coral willow]

i like the hound one tbh

[merry gale]

they still need to give us the thing where elite splits into commons and specialists splits into elites ect ect

[coral willow]

their HP was well adjusted imho

[pastel yew]

the hound one is so poorly integrated like... it's just regular ez mode then you hear the howl and think "okay gang time to stand still and kill 5000000 hounds"

[old quail]

my thing is we had these conditions decided basically around launch time

[coral willow]

mutie one is more ass imho cause

[old quail]

they tried once to make "elite resistance" which just gave u spawns 2 difs below and doubled elite hp/stagger res/damage and it was like

holy shit this is so boring

[coral willow]

every minuite get ready to be assaulted by mutie trains

[pastel yew]

I actually find the mutie one more fun

like its the same thing but a funnier gimmick

[old quail]

waves of snipers is less infuriatingly stupid than either of the disabler ones

[pastel yew]

I wouldnt be opposed to that getting yeeted too

[old quail]

dogs still stagger on their pounce wind-up which is maddening

[pastel yew]

at least that one is only in the maelstrom, whereas if you quickplay damnation you can end up in hound games

[coral willow]

i like the hound more cause they are quite easy to remove unlike the actual hounds which have 1400hp compared to 300

[merry gale]

best one is nurgle blessed enemies

[pastel yew]

nurgle blessed is aight

[coral willow]

mutie is 4000hp to 2000

which is halved

dogs are quartered essentially

and then poxbursters just spawn normally cause idk

[old quail]

my first ever maelstrom was pre-patch 13 where like half the classes didn't have good boss damage and we got a green cspawn

[coral willow]

probably it would be worse if they had lowered HP anyway

[merry gale]

the poxburster spam one can go die alone tho

[old quail]

that was a fun fight

[pastel yew]

patch 13 was class overhaul stuff right?

[old quail]

yeah

[coral willow]

whoever designed poxburster one should be come a daemonhost

[old quail]

p13/14 also had a shit ton of balance improvements

[pastel yew]

yeah I had dropped the game for a number of months and only came at that point

[merry gale]

wit randoms it's like a mind game of predicting if they'll shoot the burster conga when ur close to them or not

[pastel yew]

patch 13 onwards was good times

[coral willow]

assumne they will always shoot it

shrodinger's burster

[old quail]

[pastel yew]

be the better person, shoot it first

see how they like getting blown up

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/ggj7s5

[pastel yew]

one of my most infuriating auric games carrying a team and being stuck in a room because I Couldnt get all the like

[coral willow]

i hate cornerjumping bursters

[pastel yew]

nodes for the demon on my own

[merry gale]

stacked bursters it's actually better to shoot them instead of pushing

[pastel yew]

one of the team shoots a burster blowing me off of the map then all immediately lose

[merry gale]

but don't do it if there's a bloke nearby

[old quail]

god bless shotguns

i have 2800 hours in this game

[coral willow]

clearly a skill issue

[old quail]

it was only within the last like 3 months i learned you have to damage each eye on the pocket individually

to kill it

[pastel yew]

silly stuff

means you cant use a boltgun to bop em either

[pastel yew]

I truly should have played better

[old quail]

(i know i just complained about people talking about the bolter) the explosion should probably be able to destroy them in 1 hit

[pastel yew]

for sure

[coral willow]

it doesnt?

[pastel yew]

nope

[coral willow]

rumbler does

[old quail]

nay

[coral willow]

rumbler timed blast is really good to killing the eyes

can shoot at one and deal with other two

dont have to run around like a madman solo

[old quail]

ripper does it p consistently as well

[coral willow]

shotguns and autoguns are best at it usually ye

oohbaby a brick

[pastel yew]

pipe dream weapon

god I would love to have it though

[forest maple]

Damn, the Vld recon with an infernus build actually slaps?

did they buff it recently or something?

[pastel yew]

yeah

I think they made it slightly worse against armor

but upped its base damage by a fair amount

been using the mk2 recently and that thing is ridiculous

[forest maple]

what build? infernus?

flak/crit infernus/headhunter?

[pastel yew]

yeah bingo just no headhunter

fucking punishing salvo instead

but it doesn't really matter its more than good enough

[forest maple]

i got this and it somehow rocks

[pastel yew]

or actually.... I don't think I have +flak I think it's +maniac I chose instead

to make flamers and ragers less awful

[coral willow]

p sure

maniac damage is higher than flak now

after the change

[pastel yew]

I'd have to have a check

I just know that I weant into the psyk and tried killing stuff and that specific one felt rough

[coral willow]

just press v

and E

in the item menu

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gib-gibs-milkers-apu-apustaja-hands-gif-14790740

[quick burrow]

What u guys think is the best melee to deal with crushers for vets

[pastel yew]

powersword mk6 or rashad are probably better

I might be tripping but I think theres some way of making the push attack on the mk6 one shot crushers...

it has silly modifiers

locks you in place as well though right? similar to chain axe?

[drowsy wren]

Any tips on how to get the Penance "Make every shot count" done?

[buoyant ermine]

ok yeah

plasma gun is really good

i prefer it over bolter now

[tame lodge]

[midnight totem]

Plasma gun is default, strongest ranged weapon in the game

[mental cloud]

Would the new DB be good for that? That’s what I’m running on my weapons specialist?

[hearty panther]

eh i kinda put columnus and zarona at the same level

but for different reasons

ye

plasma is flashy but boy its funny slow, actually

the followups on things that dont die in one tap are kinda far apart

god i hope theyre reworking plasma

i want venting to be consequential again

[arctic rampart]

So you start with 1.) plasma is worse than two other guns and then follow it up with 2.) nerf plasma

[hearty panther]

reworking isnt strictly nerfing

what it needs is lateral adjustments

[arctic rampart]

make plasma venting consequential sounds like a nerf

[hearty panther]

yea on its face

[terse idol]

I mean nerf left click

[hearty panther]

also that

[terse idol]

Buff right click

[hearty panther]

there's no real purpose to the heat system

[arctic rampart]

they already nerfed left click by making it shoot twice half the time

[hearty panther]

right clicks are pointless and left click auto vents

so why even have it

make left click less a freebie, make venting matter, make right click a functional choice

right now it just pretends to be a revolver (except shittier)

[arctic rampart]

soo back to my point you think revolver and IAGs are better, but you want to nerf the worse gun

[uncut pebble]

Charging plasma should just straight up decapitate crushers with zero issues.

[hearty panther]

oh they all need nerfs, lmao

i would throw revolver in the fucking trash in a heartbeat

plasma just had actual potential for a unique identity but has none

[arctic rampart]

I'd rather go with the option make shittier guns better and leave the usable guns alone. But recon is kind of usable for a few weeks now, it is actually time to nerf them into the ground again IMO.

[hearty panther]

its one interesting feature is inconsequential and half of its abilities (right click) serves no purpose in gameplay

nah fuck that

nerf the top end

we have three broken guns to fix, its a much more manageable project

[arctic rampart]

nerf kickback, buff stubber but make it use even more ammo. add brutal momentum back onto hellbore stabs, but make the laser shot 5m range. psyker using guns will lose their mystic powers and become loner vets. these are the kind of balance changes they'll do.

[uncut pebble]

Recons are fine. You should get some new opinions.

[arctic rampart]

I know recons are fine now, that's my point. how dare they make that gun usable and leave it for weeks again!

[bitter turtle]

thats not always the best solution

there shouldnt be weapons that have perfect accuracy and also good matchups against all armor types

whats the point of other guns existing then

and if you buff them so they all do that

then whats the point of having different guns

[faint beacon]

Sometimes nerfing things is better because of well if it’s doing everything better yeah that’s fun but it offers no reason to change up your playstyle

It’s why I like weapons that give an up but also a down

[uncut pebble]

If they made the revolver deal less damage but improve its armor piercing capability, that would be great as a nerf.

[bitter turtle]

it already domes crushers in 2 shots with barely any dmg investments

how much more armor piercing does it need to be

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t the revolver have insane Finesse as well?

[arctic rampart]

half the "good" weapons have pointless worse variants. you're talking about up & down of the best of each but what about the black sheep / redheaded stepchild / etc. crappy variants ? like this talk about zerona but the fan revolver is a good example of poop variant. sure its fun but its bad

[faint beacon]

I know that’s probably the biggest way they can tone back the CIAG is tone it’s Finesse down

[bitter turtle]

fan revolver is fine

[arctic rampart]

the IAG are one of the few weapon types with usable variants

[bitter turtle]

this is whats twisted

by your standards

everything needs to be perfectly accurate armor piercing sniper rifles "or its bad"

agri is a perfectly fine gun

[faint beacon]

Headhunter Auto Guns… they exist and completely shut down specials in seconds

[bitter turtle]

it has high damage, armor piercing, but needs pinpoint shots because it has no cleave

it needs you to stan dstill to fire single shots or its extremely inaccurate which is a fair downside

that is fine

why should everything be perfectly accurate super high dmg 1 shot machines while on the move

with stupid amts of cleave so you dont even need to care about trash mobs

[arctic rampart]

1 of those is a meta killing machine, the other is not. when you see fan gun on your team you know you're going to need to use less ammo. but sure its fine lul

[bitter turtle]

yea its fine if you dont compare it to overtuned guns

do you think the other two iags need to be buffed too

[faint beacon]

CIAG, Zarona, there’s probably more im just not interested to look at the others

[bitter turtle]

do we also need to buff the recons so they can kill cara and have 100 cleave so it can be comparable to plasma

[arctic rampart]

Its w/e I don't care what my teammates use. They can be naked and I won't get upset. I however like using top guns thats whats fun to me.

[faint beacon]

Imo the GIAG is perfect same with the AAIG

[bitter turtle]

sure you can like using it

[arctic rampart]

recons can kill just fine now, provided you spec properly

[bitter turtle]

but the point is buffing everything "to their level" is not a healthy way to design

yes

recons are fine

taht is my point

that is a healthy place to be

they dont need to be guns with basically no weakness like the top 3 guns are

if everything is an armor piercing sniper rifle with 100 cleave that can 1 mag a boss

then are we just picking guns with the fancy particles we like

[arctic rampart]

your point is I want to argue that weak guns are fine, people that use top guns are twisted, and I want to argue with the guy saying "buff weak guns" for some reason

[bitter turtle]

i have no idea what you just said

[terse idol]

honestly zarona should have higher carapace damage and lower maniac/unyielding for AP rounds, fan revolver should be better against manaic/unyielding worse against cara

for HP rounds

[faint beacon]

Never really bothered using the Agri revolver, nearly 1k hours in should I honestly give it a spin

Like I think that’s the only gun I haven’t bothered using much other than the Plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty fun

until you miss a sniper at 10m because of the bloom, and lose half your health

[faint beacon]

Misses
Eats shit and dies

Yeah seems about right lmao

[bitter turtle]

just stand still when you shoot

its a downside of the gun but if you dont need to hit a headshot it is accurate up to very long range

not accurate enough to tap heads consistently at like 30m+ but you dont need that for a sniper

[hollow ibex]

i mean that's kinda the point, sometimes you really need to baby the gun

[bitter turtle]

a bodyshot is fine

[faint beacon]

I’ll probably throw together a gun a build when I’m home

What’s the “God Roll” optimal set up I should be looking for when I roll Agrevolvers

[bitter turtle]

i still run surg/handcannon but thats controversial

id try sustained fire/point blank/surgical + handcannon but those are just my preferences

if you want to do the boss magdump thing you can take trickshooter instead of handcannon i guess

i really dont like crucian but its also a possibility instead of those 3

[faint beacon]

I’d probably do the Bolter Exec for boss deleting

More so like the idea of just deleting hordes of specials

[pastel yew]

the heat system I think is meant to be a downside... except it's really really not at all

it lets you effectively partial reload while looking for targets or dodging

since the actual... tank? size is so large that you never have to reload it in combat

[pastel yew]

this would be cool

I do think the zarona needs to remain an anti armor tool, outside of weapons specialist its fine. it's the very upper limit of what I consider "strong but not overtuned"

similar to psykers voidstrike

[hollow ibex]

strong but not overtuned? it's one of strongest guns in the game

[terse idol]

Its overtuned

[pastel yew]

yeah but there's always going to be strongest guns in the game even if we nerf everything into the ground. The reason it excels is because it's available for every class and fills a role that isn't super common, anti armor. Outside of weapon specialist it has pronounced weaknesses

that being it's reload / low shot count

strength should come at a weakness

personally I don't really think it's unhealthy levels of strong with those weaknesses

compared to like plasma gun or smite

which are just game ruining if you have more than one in your lobby

[hollow ibex]

the reason it's strong is that it just deletes everything. the reload time is annoying, but more of an inconvenience than a real issue.

[pastel yew]

look around

[hollow ibex]

smite might be annoying but isn't strong

[pastel yew]

everything deletes everything

just most things dont delete carapace

but they're better at deleting regular shitters

[hollow ibex]

i'd prob consider plasma a bit below zarona still

[pastel yew]

it's practically the same weapon with none of the drawbacks

+more ammo

+giga wall pen

if you hit your break points right you can just spam left click and one shot everything in the game

that's a truly anti everything weapon

the changes to close damage might reign it in a bit, I've not used it since the patch

[faint beacon]

Smite is only annoying for the fact Its simply delaying and not instantly killing, which imo is good for support

Zarona is just vile with how it literally deletes every special with a headshot UNLESS it’s an Ogryn or maybe Mauler

[pastel yew]

smite is a strength magnifier, if you have high dps on your team they become unstoppable as theres no interruption to that damage

[hollow ibex]

huh?

[faint beacon]

Actually no Maulers still get Deleted

[hollow ibex]

smite is more of a crutch for bad teams

[pastel yew]

you can one shot any non boss creature with the zarona depending on build

[hollow ibex]

that can't kill fast enough

[pastel yew]

a crutch for bad teams yes, but that doesn't mean its even better with good teams?

[hollow ibex]

no lol

[pastel yew]

because you remove all risk

[faint beacon]

Its existence is literally support I don’t get where you’re coming from saying it magnifies damage

[pastel yew]

less down time having to dodge or position

means constant uptime on attacking

[faint beacon]

It’s literally just a lock on a Horde in front of the Psyker

[pastel yew]

no little poxwalker shitters

no threat

no damage

it's just a toxic ability

[hollow ibex]

good teams have no problems shredding enemies while avoiding damage at the same time

having 1/4th of your dps locked casting tickle magic is just bad

[pastel yew]

I'm not saying its difficult to avoid damage, I'm saying without smite you have to do it

[faint beacon]

Smite psyker on an already good team just makes it way more relaxed imo

[pastel yew]

idk I hate playing with smite psyker

I find it so unbelievably boring

[faint beacon]

Besides I’ve seen plenty of smite psykers get flanked

[pastel yew]

I only really play a few games at a time so if I join and one of them is psyker ez mode I'm usually not happy

[pastel yew]

because most smite psykers are trash

[faint beacon]

I feel like Assail is easy mode imo with it’s insane toughness generation when thrown into hordes

If we’re going off that argument

[pastel yew]

assails toughness generation is definitely a bit intense

but the difference there is that it affects their experience

whereas stunlocking enemies affects everyone

it's like release assail deleting everything

[terse idol]

Again it makes it just easier

If the smite psyker knows when to use it

[faint beacon]

I still don’t see why it’s an Issue to have a Smite Psyker and I can handle myself fine without any CC on the team

[terse idol]

So jn theory yeah good teams instead of taking minor chip damage

Will just take 0 damage

[pastel yew]

its an issue to me because its not fun

[hollow ibex]

i'm not debating that, i just disagree calling it "strong" like plasma or zarona lol

[terse idol]

That's why smite is okay

[pastel yew]

I dont sign up to play hit the gibbering heretic

[terse idol]

Oh

[pastel yew]

2 plasma guns on your team

[lyric dock]

The only time I dislike a smite psyker is if they're using the power all willy nilly

[pastel yew]

or 2 smite psykers

there will never be even a single shred of tension or stress in your entire game

[faint beacon]

You ever think this is what goes on in a psykers head when using smite

[pastel yew]

heart rate never goes above resting

I don't mind people using super strong stuff it's just that some things are outliers in how much they make the game easier

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't characterize smite as super strong, or even strong

[lyric dock]

When it is used correctly. It is quite strong

[pastel yew]

I mean if you play the game with a psyker who's smiting everything, you never have to try

[hollow ibex]

it's more of "nice to have, sometimes"

[lyric dock]

But when used incorrectly

It gives you a fair bit of gripe

[pastel yew]

honestly I'd rather psykers keep casting smite on single poxwalkers and stay out of the way, I'd rather play as a 3 than 4 with smite

definitely biased but man it's such an awful ability

[rigid pine]

personally i love smite users, helps keep the things from hitting me and lets me do my job better

[pastel yew]

but that friction that keeps you from doing your job is what keeps the game interesting

else you might as well just go in the psykanium and shoot there as its the same thing

[hollow ibex]

yes... there's that interaction...

[faint beacon]

Damnation it’s boring, Auric Damnation or Maelstrom it can actually help reduce the stress at times

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc

[pastel yew]

the stress is what I live for

[faint beacon]

Don’t get me wrong it’s still fun running Aurics without one

[rigid pine]

... i honestly hadn't considered that being why people didnt enjoy smite. makes more sense now

[faint beacon]

They probably could add some sort of interactive element to it that isn’t just

[pastel yew]

thats why so many smite psykers are trash, they boost the difficulty because they don't have to do anything then immediately get bodied the instant anything goes wrong

[faint beacon]

Hold Right

[pastel yew]

it's the ultimate "carry me for penance" button

[gilded rock]

Just as brainless as old assail xd

[faint beacon]

Hold Left

Profit

[hollow ibex]

yup

[pastel yew]

under ideal conditions yes, but most auric teams are not good

[lyric dock]

On my main Psyker set I have Smite, but don't use unless there's a reason to use it

[pastel yew]

brain rupture best psyker blitz, change my mind

I fucking love that ability

[lyric dock]

Aka "Everyone focus on the enemy I'm trying to kill instead of the 10 others coming at us"

[pastel yew]

glowing blue head means shoot them right sah?

[gilded rock]

Smykers the moment a world-ending threat (one bruiser) enters melee range:

[coral willow]

laserpointer

[pastel yew]

that's also a pet peeve of the plasma gun for me.... everytime I play zealot it's like they come out of the woodwork to shoot specifically every enemy I'm running at and none of the ones far out

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-20223992

[coral willow]

smykers when a groaner slaps them

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-death-gif-22568614

[gilded rock]

It's my favorite but I wish it wasn't pigeonholed into EP

[rigid pine]

lol thats me. i promise its not intentional, just reflexes

[pastel yew]

nah I mean I get it I've done it too... you just sorta brain off and click heads

I do try to avoid it though

[gilded rock]

DD seems like it would be very cool with BB but it just can't compare to EP in consistent value

[coral willow]

BB is too slow to run DD anyway innit

[pastel yew]

unfortunately yeah, you can make do without it if you take double walls but its rought

[coral willow]

and then smite is just broken

[pastel yew]

honestly though EP gun psyker is still one of my favourite builds

[gilded rock]

Exactly

[rigid pine]

speaking of which, anyone have a good melee option for plasmagun? im currently running the flip shovel but im lacking in decent crowd control options when they close the distance

[pastel yew]

disrupt destiny is also a piece of shit bugged keystone

[gilded rock]

EP makes the charge time bearable

God forbid you ever dare right click to charge it

[pastel yew]

if you lose connection while using it, the upgrade node that makes your stacks decay every 10s instead of 4 disables

[lyric dock]

What gun and is your accuracy better than a stormtrooper. Been seeing why too many psykers failing to hit the broad side of a barn

[faint beacon]

Shock maul probs

[pastel yew]

so your keystone literally bricks

[coral willow]

axe

[gilded rock]

Three second charge time for one rupture when a plasma user would have shot the threat enough times to kill it twice over

[pastel yew]

fun fact on EP tho, if you have a stack and proc kintetic flayer it will gain the damage boost and not use the stack up

so you effectively get free empowered flays

[gilded rock]

I forgor which one kinetic flayer is

[coral willow]

if you run BB on gunpsyker just know that when you gaze-BB just know that spending a fuckton of ammo is more preferable

[tall torrent]

Yea but kinetic flayer is pretty bad

[pastel yew]

10% chance to trigger a brain rupture on damaging something

[pastel yew]

nah you're tripping, kinetic flayer is slept on specifically in gun psyker

outside of that though... yeah

its shit

[gilded rock]

OH the gambler upgrade I love that one

[tall torrent]

It’s just alr for gunpsyker

[faint beacon]

Purgatus Flame Staff it’s not half bad but that staff is absolutely fucking busted

[tame lodge]

L influence am I right

[gilded rock]

So it gets the bonus but doesn't take a stack, sick

[pastel yew]

depends on if you prefer scriers or something else, I prefer brain rupture >> double walls >> empower psionics for gun psyker

[gilded rock]

I figured it wouldn't take a stack but not that it's boosted

[pastel yew]

less ammo, less reliant on button and able to be far more aggressive

not sure how good it is now columnus crits are nerfed

given they're a huge driver for... not being dead

[frank basin]

Still viable

[faint beacon]

I always run Scriers on my Gunker

[pastel yew]

[frank basin]

Gunker alarm

[coral willow]

i mean no other blitzes deal extra damage on top of what gunpsyker outputs

[faint beacon]

Makes me able to swap between Melee and Gun really easily

[pastel yew]

voidstrike disrupt destiny is one of the most fun builds in the game right until you disconnect and lose your keystone for the rest of the game

[coral willow]

but yeah marginal

[pastel yew]

its also ammo saving

its saves a significant ammount of ammo

also helps with your boss burst

[tall torrent]

It’s just ok

[frank basin]

Brainbrust disrupt destiny challenge

[coral willow]

i feel like if you dont run gaze you are wasting a crucial part of your arsenal and plus lose out the bonus 20% damage

[coral willow]

any assail usage does better control with ammo

[pastel yew]

since you can gun >> flay which gets the ep damage boost >> 3 ep br >> br till peril. with whatever walls inbetween to speed it

[tall torrent]

The big miss is the 20% crit chance

[pastel yew]

for horde yeah

not for special deletion

I dont use my gun on horde ever

[coral willow]

was talking about that EP connection node but sure

[gilded rock]

how it feels when kinetic flayer makes my bb hit the crusher twice

[pastel yew]

yeah its strong I just don't like all of my potential being tied to a cooldown ability really

[frank basin]

Guess am only one mag dump columnus on shooters

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-lottery-gazillion-dollars-caption-gif-10814789173602380277

[pastel yew]

would rather have the walls for funny br stuff

[bitter turtle]

crutches by definition perform worse when you are good

its like an irl crutch

if you cant walk well it helps

if u can walk well it just gets in the way

[pastel yew]

I mean I can get that but smite still makes your 1-2 extreme dps players even better

[bitter turtle]

if its just good with bad player and good with good player that's just called "good"

[pastel yew]

and that increase they get is going to be stronger than the average auric players output

[bitter turtle]

[coral willow]

smite is designed bad

[bitter turtle]

well

my opinion on smite notwithstanding i was just making that distinction

[coral willow]

in a horde game freezing entire hordes is like opposite of fun

[pastel yew]

preach, remove that shit

[bitter turtle]

i dont agree that it makes good players better though

like maybe if you measure in terms of scoreboard

yea

my only games where i only did 1m+ damage was with 2 smiteker

[pastel yew]

what does that even mean?

[bitter turtle]

but it does not make the game easier no

[pastel yew]

W A T

of course it does

[gilded rock]

In gaming "crutch" is very much usually meaning "high reward with low skill requirement"

[pastel yew]

its free baby mode

[gilded rock]

Smite is definitely a crutch in that way

[pastel yew]

it is impossible to fail while smite psyker is alive

[bitter turtle]

yea i sure like having to kill 70% of the enemies on a scab only monstro

[gilded rock]

It does not limit good players

[bitter turtle]

we literally couldnt advance bc 2 people could not stop pressing smite

[pastel yew]

you'd have to be using your face to control your keyboard to lose when smite is on your team

[bitter turtle]

and i was using a v7

[pastel yew]

that probably had more to do with it

cackle

as much as I love that gun

[bitter turtle]

yea see

they just kept using smite

[bitter turtle]

no

im pretty sure

what had to do with it

was the ppl doing 1/3rd of my total damage

[coral willow]

he's talking about team support where some idiot build who dont have any defense node and just run something offensive like a boltgun exec he can jsut freely shoot
which usually isnt the case, cause even then smite kinda fails to get like 1,2 people and then its joever

[pastel yew]

that's auric in general

[coral willow]

thats pubs in general

not auric

[pastel yew]

honestly 60% of games already have someone that could effectively not be there and make no difference

I guess that's fair

I only quick play though

playing with a set of strong players sounds like a sure fire way to have little fun

[coral willow]

qp china time

[bitter turtle]

no 😔

[coral willow]

oh boy i cant wait for the random teammate just sends me and 2 other guys off the map

[pastel yew]

pffff, sometimes it be like that

but sometimes you get in a game with 3 really competent players and it's the same as having a smite psyker

no sweat no challenge all chill

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[pastel yew]

I need a nice level of stress to get into that flow state

[bitter turtle]

no need to trash on me that bad 😔

[gilded rock]

start of new map be like

[pastel yew]

new map is super laggy for me

every other map is chilling but new ones rough

it's a cool setting, it's always very very open

[gilded rock]

For me it stutters at the end of the vertical shuttle when I know it's spawning in a small nation's worth of people

[bitter turtle]

i really like that part

its fun

[gilded rock]

That section is so fun though

Yesss

Running and gunning is so fun right there

It's been the most satisfying part of the mission every time I've played

[coral willow]

the ice cog part?

or the foundry entrance(inside)

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure he means the part where you take the tram and it opens up to a small army

[coral willow]

the funny door?

ah the actual entrance

welcome to omaha or something its fun as logn as your team isnt miserable about like 2 ragers when thers 18 more of them coming from behind idk

[hearty panther]

i had spent like ten minutes on this rant on my last stream lol

smite left click is super cool and flexible but everyone just hoses entire crowds with infinite right clicks instead

very sad

[coral willow]

what does lclick do

[hearty panther]

see thats whats so sad ;_;

mfers dont even know

[bitter turtle]

its the fast zap into a knockback

[tall torrent]

Fast stagger to smaller groups of enemies

[bitter turtle]

tbh

[tall torrent]

Into knock

[hearty panther]

instant, actually

[tall torrent]

It’s very effective

[bitter turtle]

i think i barely see anyone use it

[hearty panther]

i wanna clip my stream but

am outside rn

[faint beacon]

It’s mainly cause people would rather horde control

[tall torrent]

EP smite + vent is still turbo busted

[faint beacon]

I do like the single clicks whole niche of knocking one target or two if you have the upgrade on their ass on demand

But the horde control is admittedly the biggest issue

[hearty panther]

https://www.twitch.tv/exploitstv/v/2194354502?sr=a&t=7589s

I timestamped my rant

[coral willow]

cant see cause im in korea

:3

[hearty panther]

well DONT BE

[coral willow]

give me a VPN ticket

[hearty panther]

just run incognito or vpn i suppose

[bitter turtle]

wut

you cant watch certain channels in korea/different country?

[coral willow]

no uh

twitch got off from korea last summer or something

cause netpay was too big or some shit

with it came some changes i dont remember but p sure it includes stuff like you cant watch stream recaps

[crude fiber]

why is earn blessing grayed out

[coral willow]

you have a star on it

[bitter turtle]

idk is that star like favorited?

[coral willow]

yes

[bitter turtle]

i never knew that was a function but that might be it

[frank basin]

Is that a feature or a mod?

[crude fiber]

oh yeah

[coral willow]

mod

[faint beacon]

That’s a mod to stop you from accidentally tossing weapons you like basically

[crude fiber]

went through the trouble of leveling up a new character so i could farm for manstopper, i got it on my first weapon and thought they made you need to be level 30 or something. i must have favorited it on accident somehow

was worth it though

[faint beacon]

I just witnessed a toddler walk up to our store door stare in and then slam his head full force into the door

[hearty panther]

yea thats about right

[faint beacon]

Door shook and everything I had to hold back laughter

I wasn’t expecting that

[fleet thicket]

Ehm

[midnight totem]

I usually don't bother with smite's small zap

Usually because if it's one or two enemies, I'm stabbing them or using my staff anyway

[fleet thicket]

What's the point for braced autos other than agri one ? The other two don't have pen as a stat