veteran-class

[winter grove]

I've been hit with a hard question

Should I keep trying to get a good bistol

Or just keep using revolver

I am losing my faith in bolt pistol

Might be joever

[crimson pebble]

Its fun but not as good as revo imo

[winter grove]

Obviously

[tame lodge]

Idk, having more than 60 bullets is very convenient when dealing with Shooters/stalkers

[plain escarp]

Is the columnus mk5 still a very good weapon?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[plain escarp]

And you'd want Dumdum and Fire frenzy/blaze away?

[tame lodge]

Dumdum FF/Spitter

Deathspitter is power

[plain escarp]

What weapon stats should I look for/is the best

worth upgrading?

[stiff glacier]

I think stability, damage and ammo are most important

That looks good

[plain escarp]

what I got

[lusty sapphire]

Nvm I have a juicer of a recon. This thing slaps gunners and reapers/bosses

[tame lodge]

Unfortunate
Swap stamina for Flak
Stripped for Dumdum and it's usable

[winter grove]

I wouldn't really call it specifically fun either

With shitty sights and big recoil I shoot without aiming most of the time

Straight up eithout ADS

Because I tend to hit enemies more that way with bistol

[crimson pebble]

It should rlly only be ran on vet imo crits are the only and focus target are the only way to rlly make it work

[crystal heart]

i wanna make a sniper build, how can i do that?

[tame lodge]

Learn how to Helbore Mk3

[nova iron]

Helbore lasgun, and pretty much go fully down the sharpshooter (left side) tree. You can opt for Focus Target as the Keystone instead of Marksmans Focus if you want to ping targets and beam them from a mile away for better damage. Can also go with the infantry lasguns if you want a slightly faster firing weapon that can still pop heads at a decent rate. Just remember if you use the Helbore you're likely going to be sticking behind the group while they get into melee to pop priority threats before they become an issue (Gunners, other snipers, Trappers, etc.)

Also because Mk3 Helbore has a slow firing speed and the melee is meme tier you'll want a good hordeclear melee in case they get close.

[crystal heart]

ok

[thorn lark]

no precision strikes hurts

[civic knot]

Melk 😻

What to change on this?

[midnight totem]

Probably perks

[civic knot]

ye ofc

but to what? flak maniac?

[midnight totem]

It's not the best combination of blessings, but it's not the worst either

[civic knot]

but it's the funniest by far

[midnight totem]

Aye lol

I like unarmored/elite or unarmored/manic on mine

Flak manic works too

I just find it very important to hit breakpoint to oneshot dredge gunners

[civic knot]

Didnt puncture synergize with lethal proximity??

Like, the explosion could add bleed stacks to nearby enemies?

[hearty panther]

no

never

[civic knot]

then why do people suggest using lethal proximity for mixed hordes?

[hearty panther]

because it CC's

[midnight totem]

Stagger is nice

[hearty panther]

shoot key target > everything around key target gets blown away from it > isolated key target

[midnight totem]

Also stagger groups of ragers

[hearty panther]

and the added explosive radius bonus is for all shots, not just close range ones

so its an across the board benefit for suppression and control

[tough tiger]

You can def kill stuff with the 4 bleed stacks

[analog mural]

Yeah, no one said you couldn't?

[tame lodge]

Puncture is just ranged lacerate
Let that sink in

[analog mural]

Well you don't have to avoid headshots for it to work atleast

[old quail]

it works on headshot which is the saving grace

since its specifically useful for certain non-crit headshot bps

[hearty panther]

its really pretty good

like my initial reaction was to write it off

[coral willow]

me when lacerate

[hearty panther]

but it isnt like flechettes where it needs to crit

or yeah like lacerate

its always going to apply

[old quail]

i dont bother with it because the specific way i tolerate the boltpistol means puncture is just too bad cuz opportunity cost

[coral willow]

lacerate is fine but puncture is strictly better

[hearty panther]

on vet puncture doesnt really see purpose

you already hit all the relevant BPs

[coral willow]

also heard that puncture used to work on the aoe explosion of the boltpistol

[old quail]

i run it specifically with deadshot and weapon specialist and at this point id rather just have deadly accurate/surgical so that i am minimizing the instances where it feels like shit

[hearty panther]

yeah

BUT ON ZEALOT

it kicks ass tbh

[old quail]

(from lack of damage or deadshot running out and my gun becoming useless)

[civic knot]

explain

[hearty panther]

i can roll unyielding instead of maniac

keep anoint in blood ofc

[old quail]

the problem i have that i can't avoid is that i'd rather just use tnkives for most things

[hearty panther]

flamers and ragers go down in two shots + time

(and very little time)

trappers in one still

[old quail]

i don't comparatively evaluate weapons cuz that gets kinda lame but i exclusively use tknives

so the gun has to do smth else which is really just unyielding damage

[hearty panther]

reapers are three shots + time

[coral willow]

puncture might be too op if lethal proxy actually worked with it and spread blood in AoE? idk

[hearty panther]

can keep flak on the gun to pop gunners

[old quail]

it'd be like having 6-ish frag nades in your mag

[hearty panther]

and yeah it can act as an accessible engine for bleedcrit talent

[old quail]

it'd be a little overtuned

(and by a little i mean it'd be categorically insane)

[coral willow]

cause i heard that was the case in the betatest

[hearty panther]

yeah im sure they realized pretty quickly

[coral willow]

and fatshark had a sense to actually pin down that

[hearty panther]

that that wasnt gonna be acceptable

[old quail]

can u make the boltpistol stagger ragers w/ an explosive shot

i think all mine ar elike 50-ish collateral

[hearty panther]

you can

i dont know what the bp is

[coral willow]

does that actualy stagger stuff separate from the bolt hit itself?

[hearty panther]

yes

you get WAY more stagger from the blast

than the shot

if you dont have lethal proximity its a bad time

[old quail]

i hope with the itemization rework they make the standard bolter's blessings more interesting

[coral willow]

does bolter also do this

[old quail]

(they probably won't)

[hearty panther]

give old bolter puncture

[coral willow]

pinning fire + something

tbh

i think the uhh

surgical is p interesting

[old quail]

unironically that ripper rounds blessing would be so funny

[coral willow]

and inspiring barage

too bad it doesnt do much on practice

[old quail]

bolter blessings are just all generic which is a disservice to the gun

[hearty panther]

then youve got bistol

[old quail]

cavalcade/insp barrage are both 1 stack per shot (do not listen to the tooltip) which makes them nice but also still not necessary in the context of the weapon

[coral willow]

i mean

[hearty panther]

yeah it immediately makes you feel bad any time you ADS

which like

[coral willow]

15 x 0.1 is near 1

[hearty panther]

not great

[coral willow]

[coral willow]

idk tbh

maybe it was deadshot helping me i guess

i still liked it much on zealot tho

[old quail]

i would tolerate the stuff about boltpistol on other classes if suppression didn't make entire gun categories useless in a lot of high stress situations

[hearty panther]

well now that the rending FotF bullshit is out

shattering impact has a proper purpose again

[coral willow]

i hope next patch doesnt include 18 crusher walls

[hearty panther]

doesnt?

we are not in the same camp on that

[coral willow]

tbh i used shattering even before the nerf

[old quail]

i want them to stop making weapons that one shot crushers but like

lol, lmao says the fish

and then releases pickaxes

[coral willow]

idk

they seem decently balanced to me

[old quail]

they put them right at the top of the existing ogryn powercreep curve with some of the same slowness issues the folding shovels get but more generally applied

[coral willow]

idk, did they break anything hard?

[old quail]

they're maybe not as uniquely too-strong as one shotting 4 maulers in a single swing was but the amount of damage players do is too high and is definitely too high when the 'medium' variant of pickaxes still doesn't have any trouble one shotting a crusher

[coral willow]

feel like that was mostly remedied with the folding shovel nerfed

[coral willow]

its funny when thammers are involved yes

[merry gale]

in an ideal world crusher one shot would be reserved for the branx

[coral willow]

cant remember if branx can oneshot without thrust

[hearty panther]

in an ideal world as far as im concerned

it would be krak grenades

and thats it

[spice wadi]

@old quail get out

[old quail]

@spice wadi get in

[hearty panther]

get down

[coral willow]

rude

[spice wadi]

do not sympathise with this vaseline smeared creature

[old quail]

they should be perpetually 200 damage short of one shotting any ogryn enemy

just because itd be funny

[coral willow]

idk

[hearty panther]

every pub: just throws two

[coral willow]

twinned blast meta

obviously

[spice wadi]

gamblirno

did they fix how the second krak grenade would just fly off into the middle of nowhere

[old quail]

i will never forget the first time i played vet post patch 13

[spice wadi]

cos it had no magnetism

[old quail]

and i was using kraks with twinned blast

[terse idol]

It still has no magnetism

[old quail]

and i dropped one at the foot of a dreg gunner

[merry gale]

nah it's fine if the biggest most hardest hitting 2handed weapon on the largest muscle mass class can 1 tap a crusher when going full heavy attack dmg in their tree

[spice wadi]

this marks an impressive 180 in your memory

[old quail]

but twinned blast procced

[coral willow]

i think it has magnetism but it usually sticks to the same guy

[old quail]

so neither grenade went where i wanted it to go

and the dreg gunner received the equivalent of an airhorn being blown 15 feet from him

[hearty panther]

lmao

[old quail]

and he kept shooting me

[coral willow]

skill issue

[old quail]

i was so unbelievably irate

[hearty panther]

"wow they nerfed vet now throwing grenades is like pissing in the morning"

[old quail]

krak grenades broke my heart like a million times

when i kept finding out they did not behave the way i imagined they would

i had developed an impressive amount of muscle memory for arcing the grenades to go over bulwark shields so they'd magnetize to his carapace shoulder

instead of the shield

thinking if they hit the shield theyd not kill him

[hearty panther]

you fool

you dumdum

[old quail]

the world got a little sadder when i found out the truth

[coral willow]

me with rumbler

rumbler did have some crazy resis on the shield before the bulwark megabuff i think?

cause shield thicc

[old quail]

no idea

i picked up rumbler for like 5 gunlugger matches when dominate was 30% so you had like a global 65% rending on glugger ult

[spice wadi]

this is why u should leave

the fkn

[old quail]

and i ate every ammo pack

[spice wadi]

psykhanium

[old quail]

and pissed off all my friends

and then never did it again

[spice wadi]

(mankar)

[old quail]

no

laz

[coral willow]

classic

[old quail]

he was so upset

[spice wadi]

was this the rumbling episode

[coral willow]

gunlugger still eats all the ammo

so idk

[old quail]

if ur referring to what i think ur referring to yeah

[merry gale]

gunlugger is justified

[merry gale]

all ammo belongs to gunlugg

[coral willow]

idk gunpsyker tends to have more damage

[merry gale]

accept it

[old quail]

how the fuck did u remember this

[spice wadi]

this is what functioning braincells look like

[old quail]

i just say things

the incident i was thinking of involved laz immediately going to zealot chat to express his disdain for my degenerate rumbling habits

[coral willow]

oh yeah

[old quail]

here is hoping i have lethal proximity in the blessings list and im not about to commit an act of financial genocide upon these dockets

[spice wadi]

do your planks

[coral willow]

gunlugger ult seems to diseegard blaze away from rumblers

and resets them

is that a bug

[old quail]

oh man

[old quail]

is that still in the game

i reported that to crab like 8 months ago

i can't believe this

[merry gale]

they forgot

[coral willow]

idk i found out that i can spam special action on rumblwr and then immediately fire to get 40% stronger rumbler shot

they also forgot to adjust per-shot blaze away

so its still 8%

[hearty panther]

idk if thats a forgot tbh

[coral willow]

t4 blaze away is missing locals, and flechette ogryn fof ripperguns were nerfed from 8 stack per crit down to 4 stacks and t4 flechette being 6 stacks same as runt shotgun blessing, yeah id say so

[hearty panther]

thats uh

i mean okay those are things but they dont necessarily relate lol

lemme rephrase

the output of blaze away at 7 vs 8% on an automatic vs. a single fire

is a pretty reasonable difference in balance

even if the blessing functions just goofy as fuck on those single fire guns

[coral willow]

they nerfed flechette on ripperguns(which had the same name but did different things) were equally nerfed
meanwhile blaze away wasnt

singleshot blaze away also doesnt have the t4 variant, its locals are still missing unlike normal blaze away which has t4 and its 8% per stack

aka old blaze away

[umbral scaffold]

Would having the bolt pistol explosions also apply rupture be too strong?

Maybe only on exploding mobs into gibs

[serene bough]

Yeah it would be a little nutty

[hearty panther]

it would

[umbral scaffold]

A man could dream

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[serene bough]

If the explosion does a bit more damage then it's not bad at softening groaners and poxxies

But otherwise the main benefit is from the stagger

[umbral scaffold]

I just like the idea of gibbing units that kill other units

[gilded rock]

Starting to think running a corruption resist on curio can help with not getting one-down-death'd by bursters

[serene bough]

Its a cool concept but it's probably a nightmare to balance

[faint beacon]

Iron will + High toughness does the same as well

[umbral scaffold]

My fav is watching a team mate stare at the poxburster and you assume he’s going to push it but just stares at it jump into both of you

[faint beacon]

Queue Beethoven classical music

[umbral scaffold]

Playing pubs never assume

[gilded rock]

Yeah, I just hate that poxbursters one shot me into respawn at almost full health if my toughness is half or below

[umbral scaffold]

Do everything yourself and never be thanked for it

[gilded rock]

I've started doing the same tbh

Or distancing myself if I can't bother to babysit that at the time

[faint beacon]

Hey man look at least you’ve yet to be revived into a Burster chain that was mid lunge in which you basically got up and immediately fell over dead

[umbral scaffold]

I just get a dopamine hit for seeing my name in the special killfeed

[gilded rock]

I notice a lot of ogryns in auric will melee a poxburster that they clearly see coming towards them

And then do it again

And again

Is there no pattern recognition in these peoples' brains?

[umbral scaffold]

New map was funny for having poxburster take out 2 people at the start of the map

[faint beacon]

Coughs in BON or Plogryn doing one attack

And wiping the entire team

[gilded rock]

Dude a plogryn delayed its spawn and spawned behind me, instead of going for my three teammates behind me it did the charge attack and flung me off before I noticed it

[umbral scaffold]

Greatest test of determining a players skill is seeing what they do when an ally tries to push a poxburster or what they do with netted players

[faint beacon]

If I even hear it roar out at all I immediately block

[umbral scaffold]

My fav is seeing them shoot the poxburster when I’m walking towards to push

[faint beacon]

Even if it’s not going for me

[gilded rock]

Netted players biggest priority, even if you gotta do it in fire

[faint beacon]

It’s better to be staggered than launched off the map

[umbral scaffold]

Or seeing a netted player go down with 2 others next to him

[faint beacon]

Last night I had to deal with being netted, gassed, and set on fire

Worlds quickest corruption build up

[gilded rock]

The game is so very different when there are two+ tox bombers ahead of you and they're not showing themselves

[umbral scaffold]

Man

[gilded rock]

Entire map fart juiced

[umbral scaffold]

I hate seeing bombers walk free unharmed and alive

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-perfume-cologne-odor-gif-13884363

Actually feels like this

[umbral scaffold]

Man

I just started playing other classes other than veteran

Damn

Feels like a different game

It’s like monster hunter when you swap to a new weapon type

[gilded wraith]

Tox bombers missing their shots and bouncing grenades off door frames makes my match.

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I keep telling myself to make time to learn how to play other classes... and then Melk's contracts refresh for the week and then got me wanting to stock up on rewards

[umbral scaffold]

I just wanna stockpile weapon blessing for the crafting rework

Finally grinding to get 1-2 blessings

3-4 blessings got hands

[faint beacon]

Was enlightened by 30% Ordo Dockets earned + Auric Missions giving around 60kish per match

So I’ve just been grinding with Ogryn

[serene bough]

does anyone know if doing maelstrom missions like this count towards the pox gas mission penance

[faint beacon]

Iirc yes

If it at all has the gas naturally spawning it’s classified as one

Buffed Mutants sounds like hell though

And hunting grounds

Hell

Actually hell

[serene bough]

i like this

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao

Bro playing undertale

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-just-dodge-yeah-just-dodge-bullet-hell-gif-26068620

[faint beacon]

Should’ve just dodged bro

[bitter turtle]

its not decently balanced

the whole reason krak grenades are "lmao" is because every melee does it anyway

and then god forbid you're one of the shitty melees that cant do it

liek dclaw

[civic knot]

not sure I need carapace on this? trying to decide which perk to change to flak...

[bitter turtle]

maniac 100%

i like carapace but i dont know if its guaranteed rec yet

also i run ccara on indig so idk if its as good on agni

since the ST combo is different

[civic knot]

no need, its maniac is so bad already and flak can give minimum attack breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

also HV > skullcrusher*

[bitter turtle]

can you 2 tap mutant without maniac

[civic knot]

you dont need maniac at all if tyou run LR. You just parry the ragers and start swinging

[bitter turtle]

w/o headshot

its not about the ragers

[civic knot]

mutants are not a priority target compared to gunners n ragers

[bitter turtle]

well

you do you

that is just my suggestion

fwiw path also agrees maniac is necessary

though is for indig so maybe agni is not exactly the same

idk

looks like agni with maninac can special-> heavy-> light a mutant

w/o weakpoint hits

yea

looks like no maniac needs special -> HLLL

3 lights

lol

and this is with 10% melee

and rending strike

[civic knot]

mutants arent important enough

i already run DB shotgun

and it one shots them

[faint beacon]

The 20 ragers:

[bitter turtle]

maniac also gives 1tap to strikedown lights on flamer

on agni

[faint beacon]

That’s the main reason maniac is becoming mandatory

Rager hordes are becoming a very common sight now

[bitter turtle]

that is not really why im running it

[civic knot]

literally just run LR hahah

they are nullified

[bitter turtle]

ah yeah

agni also loses 1 tap on flamer for H2 and L2 onn non maniac

[faint beacon]

Honestly that’s pretty big when you get those Tox or Scab flamer groups that just manifest out of no where

Hit them over the head once

[bitter turtle]

on FT builds you can actually get it to 1tap with L1 with maniac

[faint beacon]

Die instantly

[bitter turtle]

5 redirect 2 focus

[civic knot]

i really dislike playing FT, i find it to be unrewarding

[bitter turtle]

well

its not like its only for FT lol

half the moveset need maniac to flamer 1 tap regardless

the FT thing is just a bonus

fwiw push attack also can 1 tap with maniac but cant without

i just thought it was interesting to note lol

[faint beacon]

Coconut bonk sfx

I’ll take notes with this though cause that’s still pretty funny

[bitter turtle]

at the very least

i would swap your skull crusher to HV

electrocution procs on the entire moveset

not just special action

and it lasts much longer than stagger

[old quail]

i'm pretty sure you have to stagger to electrocute an enemy in the first place so i don't think it's a strictly necessary tradeoff

[bitter turtle]

you do yeah

just anecdotally i tried dropping SC and saw a much lower damage decrease than HV though

[old quail]

depending on what exactly you're trying to do skullcrusher is significantly better i.e with lightning reflexes

you get much more value out of it vs stunned targets

[civic knot]

Are stunned targets more prone to stagger or hows it work?

[old quail]

if you have an enemy stunned via lightning reflexes or the special each subsequent hit gives them skullcrusher

electrocuted targets (who aren't stunned but have the separate electrocuted effect, any time you see the electricity on them) don't have any unique properties unless you have high voltage

from zealot testing on the agni you got basically the same breakpoints on electrocuted ragers with either blessing but zealot also has stuff like grievous wounds to give you a p big stagger boost so skullcrusher will be in effect more often

[bitter turtle]

yeah

zealot has a lot of + stagger so i would consider SC value to go up on nthem

but that's zealot

[spring cloud]

I like to believe we're all zealots, deep down

[hearty panther]

believe all u want but u silly limp wristed vets could never handle all of our giga-impact talents

-flex, pose-

[bitter turtle]

it really was too giga impact

[old quail]

i run hammerblow on my vet sauls because you don't get twbs so withdrawing from an an active and agitated dreg rager is near fucking impossible if theyve caught you in a dumb spot

[bitter turtle]

they gave it the pinning fire treatment'

-80%

[hearty panther]

pretty overdue tbh

[old quail]

punishment was fucking absurd for what it did and where it was pathed

did you know pre patch 13 you could push twice to open a bulwark shield with a heavy sword (75% headtaker) and punishment up

[hearty panther]

that your options were --
30% flat impact
50% impact for melee headshots only
or 30% melee impact stacking five times for trivial ask for 150% total

[spring cloud]

The way the zealots so gracefully charge face first into the crotches of crushers and bulwarks. Such zeal.

[old quail]

or push a crusher on its ass with said blessing/talent combo

[hearty panther]

like yeah

punishment was gonna eat it eventually

[old quail]

punishment removed design space for +impact on zealot

especially because it was a mandatory node to the even more dumb crit cdr

[plain escarp]

should I upgrade it? is it good? I got it from a mission

[hearty panther]

it's funny for me since

i was not really all-in about crit cdr, i always found it dumbo

so the bottom left tree has always looked weak

and now it is comically weak comparatively

but this is much healthier for the game

[old quail]

i ran it for knife because 100% crit chance and hsword because the idea there is deathblow carrying over finesse damage which is a funny concept

otherwise it's just like

i dunno u never needed it

kinda let you crutch on shit resource/stagger management if that's what you struggled with

[hearty panther]

+25% suppression is wasted
most players dont even care about +5% move speed but i think its the best thing there tbh
and punishment is mostly niche

[old quail]

i remember when it was +5% suppression

[hearty panther]

plus the overlap of effects between it and TWBS

[old quail]

on p13 release

we have it so good now

[hearty panther]

300% buff!!

[old quail]

suppression/stagger values are still not concrete numbers within the community. like if i told you something has a stagger of 30 you can only vaguely guestimate what exactly that means

[hearty panther]

thats 30 more than 1 stagger

[old quail]

adding numerical values to it doesn't do anything unless you manually test possible use cases

5% damage is a much more concrete idea to me than 5% suppression

especially because in a lot of cases you get +25% or so and that's it, like we're not defining gun suppression by the talent tree

you suppress or you don't and there's almost no interactions with suppressions beyond being able to do it so it's like

what was the point

[hearty panther]

well that and most people dont even know if theyre using it

you have it if you take FotF by default cause thats how you path out

but its not like a concientious choice usually

[old quail]

guns also aren't meaningfully defined in a 'zeitgeist' sense as to whether or not they can suppress

like you don't take a brauto because it literally shuts off whatever ranged enemies you're shooting at up to and including reapers

[hearty panther]

waiting on those shooter changes to come back

[old quail]

you take it because wm1 kill stuff 20 shotgunners dead INSTANTLY

shotguns too are p nasty suppression machines and people just don't care

[hearty panther]

bistol

although i mean

blowing shit up is sorta like suppression

[old quail]

revolver has an absurd suppression on kill effect and this is almost never mentioned as yet another reason why its overtuned

[hearty panther]

hey can i just

real quick

[old quail]

i think fs dropped the ball p hard on integrating ranged combat to the same level of melee combat's complexity

[hearty panther]

holy FUCK i am so tired of people saying the revolver's drawbacks are 1) precision 2) limited ammo and 3) positioning and then they turn around and call the bistol garbage

when by every metric what they describe is just the bistol

but without a bunch of stupid overgenerous baked in bullshit like 6.5 cleave, a bulletray the size of a canteloupe, and being able to cancel mid-reload

like no it turns out your gun isnt really being held back by its 'need for precision' when it fires off like a railgun and lets you be a full foot off-target and still register a headshot

[old quail]

lmao

[hearty panther]

and if one bullet can demolish four shotgunners

the five in your cylinder

already top the charts for output

and loading in just one may as well be dropping a bomb on the enemy

FUCk the revolver

piece of shit gun

[old quail]

it's also one of only 3 guns in the game don't u know

[hearty panther]

it's suepr frustrating that this trap keeps reappearing throughout the game's lifespan

[old quail]

i love the type of guy who is like "if im not using columnus/plasma/revolver everything just feels bad" because this is just a nonstarter mentality for having any fun with the game at all

because you will inevitably find yourself doing this with every meta shift

[hearty panther]

because the combat is so very deep and complex, but only if you want it to be, because there's always a handful of weapons so overtuned that you can ignore almost the entire game's conceit

and jsut bulldoze through everything

and it makes no favours for the playerbase

[old quail]

i miss unwavering focus autopistol

[hearty panther]

like dude i read a comment that called the bistol's draw time "anemic"

[cinder wadi]

huh very well, there was a penance that said to engulf enemies in smoke so I assumed the right way was to throw it at them

[hearty panther]

ANEMIC COMAPRED TO FUCKING WHAT, DUDE

[old quail]

i think i saw that

i was so fkin lost

[hearty panther]

COMPARED TO WHAT

[faint beacon]

Zarona I’m calling it

[old quail]

i read a reddit comment this morning where a dude said all the chainweapons except evis suck

because the evis "actually cleaves"

[hearty panther]

oh yeah

i hit downvote about two sentences in on that one

[old quail]

1. only the mk2's heavy one does

[faint beacon]

Like no shit it’s Anemic it’s a Bolt Pistol but it feels hell of a lot more fun to use

[serene bough]

hey man

[old quail]

2. the chainswords are leaps and fucking bounds better at horde damage

[hearty panther]

but also plasma gun is at the top in this game, and before plasma it was boltgun

[serene bough]

dont forget to take some deep breaths

we care about you here

[hearty panther]

COMPARED TO WHAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa -ded-

[old quail]

lmao

[faint beacon]

I’m a simple Veteran, if it at all feels remotely fun to use

I use it

[uncut pebble]

...

I shudder to think about the minds of people that say eviscerators "actually cleave..."

[hearty panther]

especially Veteran tho

Vet tree is so astonishingly stacked that you can ltierally play anything you want and crush

[terse idol]

They certainly didn't play boltgun if they think the bistols drawtime is anemic

Lmao

[hearty panther]

but all we see is two archetypes adnauseum

its very sad

[old quail]

i wish vet shout wasnt the strongest ult in the game because i just wanted to play merc kruber but in darktide

[terse idol]

VOC is just too brain dead easy, same as MF

[faint beacon]

Literally lmao, and I’ve never had an issue with its draw time

[uncut pebble]

Only voc and infiltrate?

[hearty panther]

there's so much room for expression and experimentation but everyone would rather grab a bottle of Coca-Cola on the shelf than play with the freestyle machine

[uncut pebble]

I dont ever see exe stance users.

[faint beacon]

Like dude it’s a mini 50+ cal of course your veteran is going to be struggling to lift it

[terse idol]

The complaining with Marksmens focus is the whole reason why people don't want to stack MF.

[serene bough]

its nowhere near as relevant now

[old quail]

exe stance bolter is such an incredible experience for hunting elites/specials

[terse idol]

Even if it is incredibly easy to stack

[old quail]

you don't even really have to try that hard to aim you only have to headshot ogryns

the other stuff u just kinda blast and it dies

[serene bough]

multiple weapon buffs + easy spammable ults like VoC with various damage buffs nullify the ability

[terse idol]

It's okay, I just feel like exe you do have to build the gun in a specific way

[uncut pebble]

My one issue with marksman's focus is that you are penalized super heavily for missing anything at all.

[terse idol]

Not reeaalllly

[uncut pebble]

Like, I take one shot at something and magically suppress them so they hide their head.

[terse idol]

Since you only start losing stacks in like a period of 6 seconds

So you can miss multiple shots

But you just need 1

To maintain stacks

[serene bough]

its not unusable but you give up a lot of utility to use exe over the other two ults

[uncut pebble]

That's the thing, I can't exactly get a headshot if I miss my first shot and the game considers it as suppression.

[hearty panther]

the shots you land are also considered suppression

[faint beacon]

They buffed it which was good but idk if I want to say it’s too forgiving cause before you had to play like an actual crab to maintain high stacks

[uncut pebble]

I would say it needs to be a little more forgiving in that regard.

[hearty panther]

this distinction only matters if you would have killed with a single shot

[old quail]

my favorite part about the boltpistol is that i can play weapon specialist and not feel kinda dirty

[tame lodge]

That penance is most likely trying to tell us to conceal ourselves during hordes, who knows

[cinder wadi]

ah

[hearty panther]

I love the bistol

Yeah its got some unnecessary jank but it feels great and punchy and its very effective

[old quail]

they do kinda have to fix the boltgun sights literally teleporting your point of aim

in 6 years i will rejoice

[hearty panther]

There's also the weird lockout with sprinting

I feel like they separated the recoil anim into two distinct parts and neither play well

[tame lodge]

Also, dogs/trappers/flamers/shotgunners will have to basically hug you to attack if you're inside the smoke

[old quail]

all i know is dt recoil is esoteric and poorly designed

[hearty panther]

visually its fantastic

it doesnt really . mesh with the pace of gameplay high up tho

cause all these guns feel amazing and unique to shoot and thats honestly a feat

[crimson pebble]

Wish we couldve got some sort of bayone canopener type shit w how the alt attk on it is

[uncut pebble]

Unless you're unfortunate enough to be in the path of the attack when your teammates get attacked.

[old quail]

the gun shooting itself does feel good but the mechanics behind the recoil get weird and unintuitive really quick

the bolter is the best example because it has the most extreme recoil but all guns have it to some level or another

where you start getting recoil impulses that bring your gun up on shot 1 and back down on shot 2 n shit

[vast edge]

It definitely has horrible visual recoil.

[faint beacon]

That’s how I feel with the Headhunters they’re… unusual with recoil if it isn’t the MkVII

[old quail]

the multi-shot headhunters have some strange behavior

theyre up there for really bizarre recoil behavior if memory serves i dont use them all that much

[faint beacon]

I use em the most seeing I just love burst rifles

They tend to bounce all over the place

MKVII is the acception cause it’s semi

[bitter turtle]

yes

it does

[old quail]

from talking to crab (god bless) they have really funky recoil stuff where you can get different climbs from burst 1-2 etc depending on like hundreds of ms worth of input timing

[bitter turtle]

i just finished a game and it finished my penance

[faint beacon]

Agri IX is… unusual

First bullet is controllable

Second is completely Random

Either up, down or even had it stray to the left or right

[old quail]

i think they fixed some of the absolute worst parts of that gun

does it still not have marksman stagger where the enemy won't drop their head below your point of aim

i know it didn't before p13

[bitter turtle]

it does not

[faint beacon]

Agri IX is great don’t get me wrong but Vraks III just does what it does better tragically

[bitter turtle]

i believe

[faint beacon]

Seriously unsure how they could fix it

[old quail]

ouch

[vast edge]

I really can't fathom how Fatshark truly thought the gunplay design they sought would be good in any category.

[bitter turtle]

sec

uploading it

[faint beacon]

Cause if you want enjoyable HHAs you use the VII or the III

Agri IX if you’re feeling slightly masochistic today

[terse idol]

Fatsharks combination gunplay and melee gameplay is good

[old quail]

ive seen like 4 people ever claim to use it since p13 which is more than it used to be

[bitter turtle]

i wa splanning on trying it

for no real reason tbh

but

im running out of things to try

[faint beacon]

I unironically use Agri IX just cause it’s my highest rolled weapon and it’s actually fun when you learn its faults

[old quail]

i think they get most of it right but ranged combat in dt is kinda... i mean if you're really trying to use it primarily it feels kinda bad in a lot of scenarios and it's also not nearly as interesting as melee is

[bitter turtle]

the second gunner in this clip

[faint beacon]

Just again

[bitter turtle]

that is not marksman stagger right

idk

[faint beacon]

Why use it when both Vraks HHAs exist

[old quail]

i dont think it is

because i know agri headhunter had heavy_stagger which was the same as like the agri brauto iirc

[terse idol]

I mean I use exe, mf on my ilas

Pretty fun, even if it just amounts to a point and click adventure

[old quail]

okay but try doing that on psyker where you can't get suppression immunity

and you start to run into the issue

[terse idol]

Isn't like gunspyker one of the most damaging gun builds in the game

[old quail]

where the combat only works if you have talents that literally turn off core parts of the intended functionality i.e suppression/recoil

[faint beacon]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

iirc

[terse idol]

You're not playing for long range either you're playing for mid range

[bitter turtle]

it has like v7 level finesse but with a burst

so it can actually do the most dps

[old quail]

yeah if you use one of the guns that ignores most of the ranged mechanics

[terse idol]

I mean

That's why vets there to kill suppressing enemies

[old quail]

i watched a friend try to shoot a trapper with a headhunter 7 and a gunner started shooting from like a 45 degree angle away from where his gun was pointing

[faint beacon]

Don’t get me wrong Unarmored + Flak absolutely fucks on the Agri IX

[terse idol]

[old quail]

and you could see the crosshair bloom in real time

[terse idol]

Hmm

[old quail]

and he missed a shot that was still aimed at the trapper

[faint beacon]

It’s just again you have to get an ACTUALLY GOOD Agri

To make it fun

[old quail]

it does not work as a gameplay loop

[vast edge]

Could it be, that suppression is a poor mechanic!?

[faint beacon]

It’s meh

It needs tweaking imo but path showed off the suppression nodes on gunners

And they land maybe 2 shots in a 5 second volley

They’re alright just imo needs tweaking

[old quail]

dt ranged combat holds up if you're a veteran with suppression immunity and recoil dampening from either deadshot + determined or exe stance

or if you're mostly using guns to swap and kill specials

but like, if you have to interact with some of the really deranged recoil in this game or deal with suppression your guns become significantly less useful

[faint beacon]

Genuinely thought WS was extremely stupid paired with HHAs and now it’s literally my favorite playstyle lmao

[old quail]

because the game just doesn't let you do anything to counteract what is essentially a very oppressive debuff

[bitter turtle]

i dont think either HHA can do this with basically no investment

only 7 second clip so beginning cut off but it dropped plogryn in under 1 clip

on a voc build

not even exec

but i mean

idk

[faint beacon]

Suppressing goes for both sides seeing it really fucks over gunners

Shooters? Not so much

[faint beacon]

Reason why my 548 Agri is my most used HHA lmao

[old quail]

player side suppression is really poorly handled

you can also make a case the way you suppress enemies atm is kinda weird, like brautos will literally shut off a reaper by shooting at its feet which is probably a lil too far

[faint beacon]

You need at least some sort of like Weakspot + Elite talent investment and it’s not half bad

If you don’t mind BPs I suppose

[bitter turtle]

well

that one was just a bog standard voc build

pretty good considerinng that

i think

[serene bough]

Thx

[old quail]

i miss pre-nerf v3 with something like 17k plogryn dps

[bitter turtle]

yea

they didnt touch agri HH finesse right?

thats why i assumed the boss damage was p retty high

[old quail]

probably not

[hearty panther]

and sometimes the fastest way to suprpess a reaper is to kill the fodder around him with your gun instead of shooting at them directly

all gooby stuff

[old quail]

i can... kind of? see this

[bitter turtle]

makes sense

you discourage him by killing his friends in front of them

[hearty panther]

then he cries in his shoulderplate

[bitter turtle]

deepest lore

[old quail]

like in the world where you catch a group unprepared and you start cappin guys the other dudes get scared

[faint beacon]

What did previous HHAs destroy boss health or were they just weak?

Cause I probably never noticed

[bitter turtle]

v3 used to have the same finesse values as the others

so

3 round burst

[faint beacon]

Was new at Vet at the time

[bitter turtle]

vs boss

[hearty panther]

reapers should be fearless and unsuppressable

[bitter turtle]

it explodes

[old quail]

v3 had like 300% finesse

on top of deadly accurate + headhunter

[faint beacon]

That

[dusty sluice]

thanlks bruntb

[faint beacon]

Probably explains why it would actually

Delete bosses

And why I gravitated towards it

[bitter turtle]

well here is with some juice

[dusty sluice]

brunt made me broke again

[bitter turtle]

exec + on ability buffs

[faint beacon]

Might steal that from you later if it’s a solid build lmao

[old quail]

amazin

[bitter turtle]

its ok if you're ok with not having melee weapon specific talents

[faint beacon]

Yeah?

I mean I can just run Rashad

[bitter turtle]

rashad likes having melee talents though

[faint beacon]

That so?

[old quail]

the sauls are p solid for a 0 melee investment weapon atm

[bitter turtle]

just run it with a shmaul

yeah

[faint beacon]

Not even shovels?

[bitter turtle]

shovels like having it too

[faint beacon]

I mean don’t get me wrong Shmauls I’ve noticed are

Perfect neutrals

[heavy rover]

I like the shock mauls because of Entropic. Very useful for defense against ragers

[faint beacon]

I’m just curious if you can pair it with anything else

[old quail]

knife if u just wanna run away from poxwalkers and keep shooting

[faint beacon]

True

[dusty sluice]

i get nothing but low pen mauls :(

[bitter turtle]

chainsword

chainsword and shmaul are the

[faint beacon]

I already have a few HHA builds but fuck it let’s add another to the pile

[tall torrent]

the trick is to run marksman + CQKZ

[bitter turtle]

"i put nothing in my melee talent"

https://i.gyazo.com/65503e560815857b43e0f8475e450d41.jpg

[tall torrent]

marksman is very underrated

[bitter turtle]

also this is the bottom of the tree

for that clip

not really that ridiculous

[tall torrent]

marksman is what exe stance needs to go crazy

[bitter turtle]

and then here is "I dropped superiority complex for 15 stack MF teehee pero"

[faint beacon]

Bro I’ll take anything that encourages me to use the HHA more lmao

[bitter turtle]

well

the fact that it can drop a plogryn baseline in 1 clip with no marksman/MF is pretty impressive i think

with 2 shots to spare too

[faint beacon]

I have a build with Exe + MF and it’s pretty fucking wicked

[bitter turtle]

u can even miss once

[last parcel]

hha hha hha hha stayin alive

[faint beacon]

HHA bros stay winning 💪

[bitter turtle]

someone tell me what im looking at here

https://i.gyazo.com/bb24022902afca7aa476aac6359ec40d.jpg

should i spoiler it for nsfw

[real osprey]

who's cadia and why are they so clumsy?

[faint beacon]

Well it’s when a mommy and daddy Plogryn love each other very much-

[umbral scaffold]

Share

I need more builds that don’t use shout or infiltrate

[faint beacon]

Give me 5 hours, currently at work

[faint beacon]

Also I should ask do you want the actually optimal build or the one where you shoot yourself in the knees multiple times solely to support your team

[umbral scaffold]

I like both ideas

If you don’t mind I wouldn’t mind checking out both

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s good I’ll have to try to remember once I’m off

The shoot yourself is running smokes just as a heads up, Yeah I am NOT cooking but I find it fun to be anti ranged

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke enjoyers rise up

[tame lodge]

You see, it's hard to find smoke enjoyers

[faint beacon]

Look I was not thinking optimal at all I was thinking what is going to ensure survival of the team

Exe Highlight and Fucking smokes lmao

But it works that’s the wild thing

[umbral scaffold]

I remember playing with my friend who mains ogryn, he was saying auric maelstrom is too easy, I swapped off smokes and he changed his mind

[old quail]

straight up GANJA BLASTING on these traitors

[faint beacon]

Ever since I discovered how absolutely

STUPID

tinkerers smokes are

I’ve gained a liking for them

We love 30 second smoke fields

[zenith geode]

whats the intended purpose of the tac axes

my iq is way too low to appreciate these things

[faint beacon]

Tbh I don’t even know but I just spammed lights with them and had a blast doing horde clear

Actual whack a mole gameplay

[vast edge]

Special attacks are pretty good for ragers and bulwarks.

[lusty sapphire]

Knife but instead of bleed it's crits

[terse idol]

It's kinda mid

[quick burrow]

i refuse to use smokes because cmon guys we only have 1 set of lungs

[lusty sapphire]

They are

[tall torrent]

They’re supposed to be a balanced role between knife & combat axe but both knife & combat axe are just better

[faint beacon]

Counter argument

Medicae

[vast edge]

Mk IV is ridiculous.

[tall torrent]

Tac axes don’t deal enough dmg to use BM well for bruisers, don’t have enough cleave to stagger multiple ragers in 1 strike, and don’t have nearly as good elite killing & mobility like knife

They’re just, alright

But definitely need some buffs

[quick burrow]

the weird thing is if i ever see someone using a tac axe they usually top the dmg and kills across the board and are literaly gods among us plebs

maybe only chads who are super good use it i dont know

[faint beacon]

They harness the Methhead energy that comes with that weapon

And actively jump into hordes

[old quail]

u can build a taxe2/7 to one shot bruisers on heavies the problem is u can't do that and also have the same damage caxe does into other armor types which is where the sadness comes into play

[tall torrent]

Yea

Needs smth like unarmored + flak

[quick burrow]

i need to get me one of those rashad axes

[tall torrent]

Meanwhile combat axe just needs unarmored (on vet) and can run +carapace to 2~3 shot crushers depending on crit

[quick burrow]

unsure if brute force get it on vet or zealot

[old quail]

yeah or u have to rely on crits

[tall torrent]

And the funny thing is like

I thought tac axes are supposed to be smaller axes

But their models are just very slightly smaller than combat axes lol

[zenith geode]

its probably some flavor of autism but i legitimately just dont like caxes at all. they feel bad even if they perform well

[quick burrow]

i have the best chain axe now its my rolling pin

[zenith geode]

is that the 12 or 4

[quick burrow]

fear it

[brave verge]

lmao

[last parcel]

impressive girth

[faint beacon]

The rolling pin

[quick burrow]

i also have this guy im a chain enthusiast

[hearty panther]

just give up on BM with taxes tbh

and youll have a better time

[faint beacon]

Call me insane

Decimator

[hearty panther]

headtaker

yep

[faint beacon]

Shit is so dumb just to spam lights into a horde

And just fucking

[hearty panther]

also mine are all run unarmored + maniac so

[faint beacon]

Delete it in 2 seconds

[hearty panther]

bruiser bps are easily reached on heavies

i get the desire to cleave four heads off simultaneously but the taxes swing eight times a second

[faint beacon]

10 Deci stacks also just 1 shot em iirc with lights

Been a while

[hearty panther]

yea it does

[tall torrent]

Yea but it’s decimator

[junior needle]

Just don't use the 2/7 for the light spam and you're good

[pearl granite]

chainaxe with martyrdom in melee only map

[pulsar radish]

Anyone used the recons since buff?

I wanna know of the vld is king still or the viia is putting in work.

Been toying with both its hard to tell

[tame lodge]

II is definitely more ammo efficient now than the VId

[pulsar radish]

I'm loving the slower one that uses 2 ammo per shot atm

[junior needle]

They're alright, not iag tier but possibly more ammo efficiency than iag's with shocktrooper and crit stacking.

They're about the same on dps now and their adm's have been normalized. 6d received handling nerfs for no reason and is still the least ammo efficient variant by a noticeable margin, and so is technically the worst variant.

#veteran-class message

Here you can see some math on that.

[pulsar radish]

Perfect thank you

[crude fiber]

Love me 6d tho, stack weapon specialist and blue juice for beam weapon

[pulsar radish]

I've been having good success with the slower firing recon.

Pulling 500-600ks on auric I'm sure I'd do better with an iag

I just like pretty laser lmao

[junior needle]

7a can pull higher numbers more easily due to cleave

WS is the worst option for ranged performance on the guns though.

[pulsar radish]

Normally I'm pumping most specials and elites slain with it

And minimal overkill damage

But I'm just trying to fine tune the lasgun selection. I'm happy with recons just tuning lol

Headhunter probably helps more than I'd like to admit

[junior needle]

It gives you more dps, but not more ammo efficiency. Apart from that it's still a good take overall for obvious reasons, but the right tree doesn't have as many ranged applicable goodies so you can be stretched very thin going that route.

Just remember that scoreboard numbers are anecdotal and should be taken with a grain of salt

[pulsar radish]

Atm I'm a filthy middle tree build lol

Oh yeah for sure it is

I use it to base my performance against myself more than allies if that makes sense?

Like if I've taken a shit ton of damage I know I need to sharpen up on x. Or if I'm like super lacking in kills and damage I know I'm hindering more than helping

But thanks for the math!

That actually helps slightly.

It's a shame opening salvo doesn't work as a continued fire thing lol

Struggling my ass off for dum dum 4 though atm

[junior needle]

There's not much difference between tiers of dumdum

I wouldn't worry about it too much

[pulsar radish]

I wish the recon had better blessings lol

I'm tempted to take stripped down and duck and dive just for the running ease

[junior needle]

I also wish the visual diarrhea didn't obscure my vision when firing it

They really need to tone that down

[pulsar radish]

Oh yeah sometimes it's bad

Just give us a hell gun already

[junior needle]

HH and dumdum are quite good blessings

[pulsar radish]

I'd use the kantrael but I like not having my finger cramp after 6 games lmao

[junior needle]

They aren't guns that can coast by off base stats though

Just an autofire macro/mod

[pulsar radish]

True

I should probably mod that in

Thanks for the help

[topaz token]

I love the laspistol. I'd never use it without the autofire mod

[bitter turtle]

7 is the best one now imo

Similar dps on all 3 but 7 has the cleave

[pulsar radish]

Honestly I've been loving it

I just want the hellgun and its as close as I can get

Legitimately just give me the scab gunners weapon.

[bitter turtle]

6d has the niche of le onslaught meme still

But just ignoring onslaught and going normal autogun esque build for 7 is pretty effective

[pulsar radish]

7 is good

Defo prefer it over 6

[coral willow]

when can i get my hands on it as a zealot :/

[dreamy spade]

Does enhancing weapons allow you to reach 380, or maybe max all stats?

[coral willow]

id actually hate it if it was the latter

[dreamy spade]

Ideally you should be able to choose the modifiers

Movement, defense, stability, collateral 😈

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[junior needle]

You wouldn't really want to use any recon over ciag without shocktrooper

Or other iag's

Haven't done the math on the other models but the ciag undoubtedly has substantially more ammo efficiency AND much higher dps than the 6d

[coral willow]

7a seems like a good alternative to brauto?

6d is memeish

[junior needle]

It should have the same pen as the agri brauto

[coral willow]

yes

[junior needle]

I'd say yes at a glance

[coral willow]

few more rounds in the mag and most importantly has access to ADS + Dumdum

[tame lodge]

Piety granting 25% crit chance+ headhunter would have some interesting synergy, no?
Not to mention duelist or dance of death hip fire

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt necessarily call it a synergy but yeah

it would be damage

but no recons for zealot

[junior needle]

Crit chance is only good on recons because of shock trooper, their finesse values are scuffed.

[mellow adder]

Really want to try out the Gunslinger revolver and was wondering how can I salvage this?

[hearty panther]

you cant

[tame lodge]

Uh

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-northman-northman-reasonsimbroke-willem-dafoe-focus-features-gif-24200263

[tame lodge]

TB for Hand Cannon

[last parcel]

trickshooter unyielding

[hearty panther]

trickshooter sustained unyielding elite

the secret meta

[tame lodge]

It's twelve hundred o'clock
Fans the revolver

[wise fossil]

So infernus on the laspistol does a pretty wimpy amount of damage, right?

[junior needle]

Infernus has been normalized across the lasguns but laspee is very high damage on crits and headshots

So infernus has little overall value except on bosses

Because you can demolish most things in a couple hits

[wise fossil]

Yeah that's what I was seeing. I think I'll just swap it to Ghost

[junior needle]

ghost lets you do deadshot/dnd shenanigans

It's really good overall

[wise fossil]

Does Ghost trigger D&D?!

[tame lodge]

Seems like it

[wise fossil]

Sick tech. I never knew

I'll probably run something like this if that's the case

[lusty sapphire]

Nah it's definitely decent. Just not as good as the 7 or the columnus

[junior needle]

Needs a tad bit more reserve ammo and to revert the completely unwarranted handling nerfs

[lusty sapphire]

If it wasn't as ammo hungry as it is

[coral willow]

its fine but its not the columnus

[faint beacon]

Tbf everything is lackluster compared to that IAG if we’re going off of high fire rate weapons

[coral willow]

i mea

n

what else would you compare 6d with

its the only human based full auto gun that has enough firerate to compete

[lusty sapphire]

Btw instead of demo you should also get reciprocity for maximum crit memes

[faint beacon]

Graia tbh seeing it’s a good all rounder, but dead serious the CIAG just shuts everything down

Main reason why I don’t really compare obviously weaker guns to it

[coral willow]

graia ainr a allrounder when ciag does everything it can

anyway

6d good

[faint beacon]

Again overtuned

Rubbing my hands for a CIAG nerf to happen

Lmao

[coral willow]

idk how would it happen though

[lusty sapphire]

I was always an iag kind of guy anyways so no nerf is ever gonna demorilise me

[coral willow]

half magsize maybe?

[faint beacon]

It’s most likely going to be its Finesse modifier I believe?

[coral willow]

i mean even if you nuke finesse

[faint beacon]

There was very specific reason it just

Does stupid damage for no reason

[wise fossil]

Man ever since the director started spawning ragers by the dozen I never leave home without demo

[coral willow]

people kinda just use it as a bodyshot gun most of the time

[faint beacon]

It doesn’t need a nuking it just needs to be toned back a bit

[coral willow]

even if you lower it to brauto standards people will still spam it

gunker might get a hit which is nice

[faint beacon]

They did and it literally didn’t even effect them at all lmao

Crit chain was nerfed

[wise fossil]

I'd probably drop Longshot before I dropped demo

[faint beacon]

And it’s still good

[coral willow]

well it did nerf

like

[lusty sapphire]

Fair

[coral willow]

1/5 damagw output was gone

but gunker had way too many to begin with

[faint beacon]

I was about to say I don’t think it really matters when even post nerf it’s still stomping the competition

Though it’s nice to see recon gunkers for once

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[lusty sapphire]

Remember when infernus dmg was absolutely nuts once upon a time?

[junior needle]

It's never nice to see them

So many recon gun psykers hogging tons of ammo when they were dogshit for the longest time

And back when gun psyker wasn't properly supported

[lusty sapphire]

Shredder psykers

[faint beacon]

To be fair I have enough ammo Econ to survive when I’m running HHA so it literally doesn’t hurt me

But I understand the grievances

[junior needle]

Shredder was just overtuned

Every class took it

[lusty sapphire]

But they'd spam that shit even on fking groaners

By the first event everyone was red

[faint beacon]

Best usage of ammo man, clearly!

[junior needle]

At least it did damage

[bitter turtle]

Critical damage to flak or something I guess

Terrifying barrage to handcannon

Sustained fire is actually decent on agri

[lusty sapphire]

Sustained/trickshot best agri build

[junior needle]

It was only near release when it stacked infinitely and apparently from its own ticks as well.

It's been downhill from there

Needs a redesign or something

[radiant chasm]

My fun is spending all my ammo on horde enemies smh /j

[faint beacon]

Yeah okay well my fun is taunting as Ogryn and dragging the crushers to the Assail psyker

We are not the same……

[nimble holly]

I recently got a Mk vi power sword

Any tips with it?

[lusty sapphire]

Power cycler/bromentum are a very good pair

[faint beacon]

Power Cycler IV, charge and spam lights

Win horde situations

[coral willow]

me with pointy stick

[lusty sapphire]

Push attack into overhead does very high dmg to single targets

[nimble holly]

If i remember I got a brutal something blessing and I put the power cycle on it

[faint beacon]

I have too I’m sorry lmao

[bitter turtle]

Just needs to not be rng

Puncture in actually ok

[nimble holly]

And with heavy targets?

In case I run out of kraks

[bitter turtle]

Just let it stack 4 on ilas per shot and idk 1or 2 per recon

[lusty sapphire]

^

Very high dmg as in twoshotting crushers if you have carapace dmg

[bitter turtle]

Ironically critting is when you don't need a little dot most of the time cus the enemy is dead lol

[faint beacon]

Charge Push attack at their heads if it’s like a Crusher or mauler, Bromentum can deal with a lot of specials on charged lights

[bitter turtle]

So tying it to crit is always gonna be weird

[lusty sapphire]

Btw your lights on powersword 6 will stun ragers when powered

[crude fiber]

Maybe on weakspot hit or somthing cause otherwise recons would just be flamethrower with actual damage on hit lol

[lusty sapphire]

So don't be afraid

[bitter turtle]

Idk I think it's fine

Most recons have no cleave

[nimble holly]

Alright

Next time I hope to get the bromemtum blessing

[bitter turtle]

Even the 7 can only cleave 1 poxwalker

And if u have to shoot 8 bullets to fully stack fire

Most of the time it's alr dead

[lusty sapphire]

You want something like this but ideally with flak/carapace or carapace/unyielding

[nimble holly]

And what about the mkiii?

[bitter turtle]

Only fatter enemies would even care

[faint beacon]

We don’t talk about the Mkiii

[lusty sapphire]

Unga bunga heavy spam

[bitter turtle]

And I'm not convinced it's even better than dumdum still

[faint beacon]

Even though I like it still we don’t talk about the Mkiii

[lusty sapphire]

Sunder/ power cycler

If the mk6 looks like cheating. Mk3 is like playing the game with your brain turned off

[mellow adder]

Should I scrap or keep ?

[lusty sapphire]

Not more effective but it does 1 thing very well

[lusty sapphire]

You can find better

...

or not

gotta gamble

[radiant chasm]

Yea idk why you placing powderburn

[mellow adder]

I've only ever used it once

[radiant chasm]

It’s not exceptionally strong

If it’s your only pistol keep it

[mellow adder]

and idk how the new blessing system works in the next update

[faint beacon]

Ius is just not… good at all tbh

I know the itemization update might change that